[OSM-legal-talk] Software using open street map data and Licensing model / restrictions

2009-08-23 Thread Frank O'Dwyer
Frederik Ramm wrote: Anything you produce from OSM data must be CC-BY-SA licensed (e.g. if you compile OSM data into some special compressed map format for your application then these special compressed files must by CC-BY-SA). If you mix OSM data with someting else into an end product then that

Re: [OSM-talk] Escalators and Travalators

2009-08-23 Thread Tobias Knerr
Stephen Hope wrote: 2009/8/23 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: I believe the best way to solve this is to create a new top-level (that is, highway) value for all variants of conveyor transport. [...] Is this intended to be only for human transport? I know of some quite lengthy conveyors

Re: [OSM-talk] Escalators and Travalators

2009-08-23 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 23/8/09, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Using the same top level tag (e.g. highway=conveyor) would only make sense if applications could use both the same way, and I don't believe there are apps that can. Routers don't need conveyors for goods for their calculations,

Re: [OSM-talk] Escalators and Travalators

2009-08-23 Thread Tobias Knerr
John Smith wrote So using the same tag would only result in making evaluating (and tagging) the conveyor=* tag required. Which already happens with those pushing path tags instead of footway etc... highway=path, foot=designated... No, it doesn't happen there. Evaluating access tags is

Re: [OSM-talk] Escalators and Travalators

2009-08-23 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 23/8/09, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: No, it doesn't happen there. Evaluating access tags is already necessary for highway=footway, too (bicycle=yes etc.), so path doesn't require evaluating additional tagging. Not according to the osm-template.xml...

Re: [OSM-talk] Awards

2009-08-23 Thread Ed Avis
There are plenty of unnamed streets on the map - where in the real world no name has been assigned by the local authority. We could name those streets after top OSM contributors. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - incline up down

2009-08-23 Thread Mike Harris
I am not an architect (!) and didn't know there was a convention for steps. So I expect 50% of my steps are wrong as I have always simply mapped them in the direction of (my) travel (:). If everyone agrees that the architects' convention should be adopted, could we document this? It seems to

Re: [OSM-talk] Escalators and Travalators

2009-08-23 Thread Mike Harris
Could I ask the architects whether their down-to-up convention applies to escalators as well (cf. current discussion on 'steps') - given that they are moving steps - or only to up-escalators (;) ... Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Peter Childs [mailto:pchi...@bcs.org] Sent: 22

Re: [OSM-talk] Awards

2009-08-23 Thread Till Harbaum / Lists
Hi, Am Sonntag 23 August 2009 schrieb Ed Avis: There are plenty of unnamed streets on the map - where in the real world no name has been assigned by the local authority. We could name those streets after top OSM contributors. Sounds like a perfect idea to cause confusion. The whole idea of

Re: [OSM-talk] Awards

2009-08-23 Thread Brendan Barrett
Nice idea, but I really wouldn't want to see OSM data polluted / innaccurate. It would set a precedent. Unless of course we force that user to stay on that street (then we would just be mapping what we see on the ground):P Regards, Brendan Barrett

Re: [OSM-talk] Awards

2009-08-23 Thread Liz
On Sun, 23 Aug 2009, Till Harbaum / Lists wrote: Sounds like a perfect idea to cause confusion. The whole idea of maps is to represent the real world a precise as possible. I'd have to put another point of view here. Because I have spent a weekend without OSM, I've been reading books and it

[OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-23 Thread David Paleino
Hello, I'd like to start discussion on the deprecation of the Tag:highway=stop in favour of using stop=yes/both/-1. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:stop Unfortunately, when the page was first created, it was mistakenly put directly under the root namespace, instead of

Re: [OSM-talk] Awards

2009-08-23 Thread Till Harbaum / Lists
Hi, Am Sonntag 23 August 2009 schrieb Liz: plane, and 'precision' is not part of a Mercator projection. Mercator's projection was for the purpose of calculating direction of travel, in particular for seafarers. a) osm by itself does not have a projection. It's the maps that project the osm

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - incline up down

2009-08-23 Thread Tobias Knerr
Mike Harris wrote: If everyone agrees that the architects' convention should be adopted, could we document this? Even if people on the mailing list agree, most mappers will still not know about the convention. There will be no way to distinguish the steps of those who do know it from those who

Re: [OSM-talk] Awards

2009-08-23 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 23 Aug 2009, Till Harbaum / Lists wrote: But that all doesn't give us a reason to add artificial, misleading and useless information to the osm maps. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Copyright_Easter_Eggs -- BOFH excuse #233: TCP/IP UDP alarm threshold is set too low.

Re: [OSM-talk] Awards

2009-08-23 Thread Brendan Barrett
While there may be easter eggs in OSM added by some users... I was of the opinion that we do not do this in OSM. I've advised anyone i've ever spoken to on the topic not to put easter eggs into OSM. I was under the impression that the data itself was easy enough to compare to a copy. The use of

Re: [OSM-talk] Awards

2009-08-23 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 23/8/09, Till Harbaum / Lists li...@harbaum.org wrote: Am Sonntag 23 August 2009 schrieb Ed Avis: There are plenty of unnamed streets on the map - where in the real world no name has been assigned by the local authority.  We could name those streets after top OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-23 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 12:48 PM, David Paleinod.pale...@gmail.com wrote: The first usage is putting highway=stop in the node where ways intersect: this is not right, since that intersection represents (more-or-less) the center of the junction, and I've never seen a stop sign in the middle of a

Re: [OSM-talk] Awards

2009-08-23 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 1:40 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: If the streets aren't named, you could put name suggestions forward to the local authority to get them named so then the map would match reality :) If streets aren't named, use one of the noname tags :

Re: [OSM-talk] Max recommended size for multipolygon relation?

2009-08-23 Thread Lennard
John Smith wrote: Apparently there is a 1000 member per relation limit. Not true. -- Lennard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-23 Thread Konrad Skeri
[...] This is obviously wrong. Yes, we could link those stops with the junction in a relation -- but adopting a proper Key:stop stop seems *much* cleaner to me. [...] Yes, the highway=stop is not a good solution. However, I prefer the suggested relation instead.

Re: [OSM-talk] GSoC End: signFinder

2009-08-23 Thread Kev js1982
Round here (south Nottingham, uk) black on white, with post codes and council name in red. In the city itself most are black on white, with some old ones white on black. On 8/20/09, Łukasz Jernaś deej...@srem.org wrote: Poland, Greater Poland : White on blue and black on white. It can be

Re: [OSM-talk] Awards

2009-08-23 Thread Adam Schreiber
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Lized...@billiau.net wrote: http://odtmaps.com/ will show you a few different projections quickly, to expand your horizons. I prefer the Peter's projection. Cheers, Adam ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Escalators and Travalators

2009-08-23 Thread Peter Childs
2009/8/23 Mike Harris mik...@googlemail.com: Could I ask the architects whether their down-to-up convention applies to escalators as well (cf. current discussion on 'steps') - given that they are moving steps - or only to up-escalators (;) ... Also steps where a One-Way System applies (even

Re: [OSM-talk] GSoC End: signFinder

2009-08-23 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Sun, 23 Aug 2009, Kev js1982 wrote: Round here (south Nottingham, uk) black on white, with post codes and council name in red. In the city itself most are black on white, with some old ones white on black. Could anyone that actually knows `localized' streetsigns maybe provide them lets say

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-23 Thread David Paleino
On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:46:35 +0200, Pieren wrote: On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 12:48 PM, David Paleinod.pale...@gmail.com wrote: The first usage is putting highway=stop in the node where ways intersect: this is not right, since that intersection represents (more-or-less) the center of the

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-23 Thread David Paleino
On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:27:42 +0200, Tobias Knerr wrote: David Paleino wrote: I'd like to start discussion on the deprecation of the Tag:highway=stop in favour of using stop=yes/both/-1. How about adding forward/backward information to each stop sign node instead? Would depend on way

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-23 Thread David Paleino
On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:17:02 +0200, Konrad Skeri wrote: [...] This is obviously wrong. Yes, we could link those stops with the junction in a relation -- but adopting a proper Key:stop stop seems *much* cleaner to me. [...] Yes, the highway=stop is not a good solution. However, I prefer

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-23 Thread Craig Wallace
On 23/08/2009 15:45, David Paleino wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:27:42 +0200, Tobias Knerr wrote: David Paleino wrote: I'd like to start discussion on the deprecation of the Tag:highway=stop in favour of using stop=yes/both/-1. How about adding forward/backward information to each

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-23 Thread David Paleino
On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:58:36 +0100, Craig Wallace wrote: On 23/08/2009 15:45, David Paleino wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:27:42 +0200, Tobias Knerr wrote: David Paleino wrote: I'd like to start discussion on the deprecation of the Tag:highway=stop in favour of using

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-23 Thread Craig Wallace
On 23/08/2009 17:15, David Paleino wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:58:36 +0100, Craig Wallace wrote: On 23/08/2009 15:45, David Paleino wrote: Read my reply to Pieren: how close you put the stop sign to the effective junction is pretty arbitrary, that's why I'm trying to abandon my

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-23 Thread David Paleino
On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:48:58 +0100, Craig Wallace wrote: On 23/08/2009 17:15, David Paleino wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:58:36 +0100, Craig Wallace wrote: Why not place the stop sign node where the stop line / stop sign is physically located? Nothing arbitrary about that. You can

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-23 Thread Craig Wallace
On 23/08/2009 18:09, David Paleino wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:48:58 +0100, Craig Wallace wrote: Why is it necessary to relate the highway=stop to the junction node? Isn't it obvious that if a highway=stop is within a few metres of a junction, then its part of the same junction. It

Re: [OSM-talk] [Maps-l] using default country name

2009-08-23 Thread Marcin Cieslak
Peter Körner wrote: Maarten Deen schrieb: They tell you that the translation in the given language is identical to the value of the name=* tag. If you see the name-Tag as a fallback for a missing name:xx-tag (what you should), those pseudo-translations are needless. I'm currently in a

Re: [OSM-talk] [Maps-l] using default country name

2009-08-23 Thread Peter Körner
I have read the above mentioned discussion[1] (unfortunately it is spread among two mailing lists) Sorry for that. (1) Default tags can be changed. We should remember that default tags can be edited by somebody later and they will no longer be good for other languages. This will mark all

Re: [OSM-talk] Escalators and Travalators

2009-08-23 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Tobias Knerro...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Nobody suggested multiple highway tags. The highway tag currently only contains features that are relevant for routing pedestrians or vehicles, and I prefer it to stay like that. Things like pipelines or goods conveyors

[OSM-talk] Tagging continuous flow intersections

2009-08-23 Thread David Paleino
Hello, I'm having some issues with the tagging of the so-called CFI -- continuous flow intersections. These are junctions, often (if not always!) regulated by traffic signals, where vehicles in a particular lane can freely go into one specified direction, disregarding the indication of the traffic

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-23 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:48 PM, David Paleinod.pale...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'd like to start discussion on the deprecation of the Tag:highway=stop in favour of using stop=yes/both/-1. First impression: the value of the tag is extremely ambiguous, and in no way self-explanatory. I don't

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging continuous flow intersections

2009-08-23 Thread David Lynch
I suspect that I'd end up creating a set of ways that look something like this, plus a whole bunch of oneway tags and turn restrictions: http://dl1050.dyndns.org:/images/osm/cfi.png On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 17:33, David Paleinod.pale...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm having some issues with

Re: [OSM-talk] Changes to Key:access wiki page

2009-08-23 Thread Christiaan Welvaart
On Sat, 22 Aug 2009, Tobias Knerr wrote: Christiaan Welvaart wrote: Added a separate tag for cars, because AFAICT any routing app computing routes for cars uses this transportation mode. If routing would be done for 'motorcar', ways tagged as hazmat=no, for example, could not be used because

Re: [OSM-talk] Escalators and Travalators

2009-08-23 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/8/23 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: Therefore, I'd prefer to restrict highway=conveyor to human transport (or human+bicycle or some kind of vehicle, if this exists somewhere, by using access tags) and use a separate top level tag for goods - for example man_made=conveyor. I don't

Re: [OSM-talk] Changes to Key:access wiki page

2009-08-23 Thread Christiaan Welvaart
On Sat, 22 Aug 2009, Craig Wallace wrote: On 22/08/2009 20:33, Christiaan Welvaart wrote: I changed some things on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access - only to document current (best) practices. Added a separate tag for cars, because AFAICT any routing app computing routes for

Re: [OSM-talk] Changes to Key:access wiki page

2009-08-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/22 Christiaan Welvaart c...@daneel.dyndns.org: hi, I changed some things on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access - Added a tag for low performance mopeds, because in some countries they are by law neither a bicycle nor a true moped. currently there is no more mofa (I guess

[OSM-talk] Duplicate TIGER ways along county lines

2009-08-23 Thread dasdjenne
Good evening,   I have been editing the map around Denver, CO, but so far have avoided fixing duplicate ways straddling county lines.   I.e., one physical way is represented by two ways, one for each county.   For a correct and visually pleasing map, ease in joining intersecting ways,

Re: [OSM-talk] Duplicate TIGER ways along county lines

2009-08-23 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
don't waste too much time trying to make sense of broken data. fix it in the best possible way and delete tags which don't make sense anymore. time of mappers is better spent on fixing the data instead of fiddle around with nearly useless tags. osm data is dynamic everyone can edit

Re: [OSM-talk] Duplicate TIGER ways along county lines

2009-08-23 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 24/8/09, dasdje...@comcast.net dasdje...@comcast.net wrote: How necessary is it to preserve left and right zip codes in the way data? (These are frequently inaccurate, and I would prefer not to have to research them). It shouldn't be necessary to keep county, state, country or

Re: [OSM-talk] Escalators and Travalators

2009-08-23 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 24/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds good to me. Not sure what John means - I think this is less ambiguous than having the same tag (highway=conveyor) mean two different things. Because they are both man made it's ambiguous, it's a very bad idea to use tags

Re: [OSM-talk] Escalators and Travalators

2009-08-23 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 24/8/09, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have a problem with that, the question came up because when I see the word conveyor it's not escalators or travelators that come to mind for me.  Can I suggest that the documentation for I've seen some very very long

Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-23 Thread David Paleino
On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:53:53 +1000, Roy Wallace wrote: On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:48 PM, David Paleinod.pale...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'd like to start discussion on the deprecation of the Tag:highway=stop in favour of using stop=yes/both/-1. First impression: the value of the tag is

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging continuous flow intersections

2009-08-23 Thread David Paleino
On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:11:59 -0500, David Lynch wrote: I suspect that I'd end up creating a set of ways that look something like this, plus a whole bunch of oneway tags and turn restrictions: http://dl1050.dyndns.org:/images/osm/cfi.png Thanks for the suggestion -- but I'd avoid drawing

[talk-au] North Star Award

2009-08-23 Thread Liz
Another Eurocentric Award ?? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Awards North Star The North Star has been awarded to people who have either completed all the roads within a District, Small County, Large town or City; or for people that have solved a big problem for everyone within OSM. I would

[talk-au] Newbie intro

2009-08-23 Thread Appleton Dale
G'day all, A quick introduction, I'm starting out mapping the blank bits of country Victoria round my place, including some of the National Parks nearby. I'm using a combination of iPhone, various Garmin receivers and the odd Trimble to do the work. I've been enjoying reading the

Re: [talk-au] Newbie intro

2009-08-23 Thread Liz
On Sun, 23 Aug 2009, Appleton Dale wrote: G'day all, A quick introduction, I'm starting out mapping the blank bits of country Victoria round my place, including some of the National Parks nearby. I'm using a combination of iPhone, various Garmin receivers and the odd Trimble to do the work.

Re: [talk-au] Newbie intro

2009-08-23 Thread Liz
On Sun, 23 Aug 2009, Appleton Dale wrote: G'day all, A quick introduction, I'm starting out mapping the blank bits of country Victoria round my place, including some of the National Parks nearby. I'm using a combination of iPhone, various Garmin receivers and the odd Trimble to do the work.

Re: [talk-au] Newbie intro

2009-08-23 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 23/8/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: welcome aboard we need more thinking about seasonal and unseasonal uses of roads, and other restrictions like 4wd_only; dry_weather_only 4wd_only is now a valid tag :) Want to go 2 from 2? :) so management vehicles only (and i presume

Re: [talk-au] North Star Award

2009-08-23 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 23/8/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: Another Eurocentric Award ?? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Awards North Star The North Star has been awarded to people who have either completed all the roads within a District, Small County, Large town or City; or for people that

Re: [talk-au] North Star Award

2009-08-23 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 23 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: Which Mercator projection and why is it eurocentric? the original. it expands the size of europe compared t all the colonised lands opinion of Arno Peters http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arno_Peters -- BOFH excuse #215: High nuclear activity in your area.

Re: [talk-au] North Star Award

2009-08-23 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 23/8/09, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: the original. it expands the size of europe compared t all the colonised lands opinion of Arno Peters http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arno_Peters That might be a side effect, but I don't think there is a good way to flatten the

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?

2009-08-23 Thread David Clarke
Jason Stirk jst...@oobleyboo.com writes: At Ballina, and it's been announced in the last week or so that it will be demolished some time soon, as it's in really bad nick. That's cutting in to our big attractions. So what're we left with, the big potato, merino, trout and oyster?

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?

2009-08-23 Thread John Smith
--- On Sun, 23/8/09, David Clarke gadic...@pnambic.org wrote: That's cutting in to our big attractions. So what're we left with, the big potato, merino, trout and oyster? The owners of the big pineapple (one near Nambour) were on tv the other day complaining about it being heritage listed

[talk-au] Big Things

2009-08-23 Thread darylr
And don't forget the BIG BANANA Darylr ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straß ennamen

2009-08-23 Thread Johann H. Addicks
Florian Lohoff schrieb: Was bringt es, wenn ich vom Screenreader in OSM eine Hermann-Heinrich-Meierstraße vorlesen lasse, wenn auch alle Passanten die Straße nur als H.-H.-Meier-Straße kennen, weil es eben so auf dem Straßenschild steht und auch in Anschriften so geschrieben wird? Nicht

Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straße nnamen

2009-08-23 Thread Tobias Knerr
Johann H. Addicks schrieb: Will sagen: Ob ausgeschrieben oder abgekürzt, das ist völlig egal. Im Stadtplan sollte es schon so geschrieben stehen wie man es auf den Straßenschildern lesen kann! Für mich stellt sich die Situation so dar: Eine Straße hat einen Namen. Der enthält normalerweise

Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straße nnamen

2009-08-23 Thread Sven Anders
Am Sunday 23 August 2009 10:23:25 schrieb Tobias Knerr: Die Zuordnung Langform - Abkürzung erfordert keine sonderliche Allgemeinbildung, sondern nur rudimentäre Kenntnisse über das Konzept Abkürzung. Die Zuordnung Abkürzung - Langform sehr wohl (Kenntnis berühmter und weniger berühmter

Re: [Talk-de] Walking Papers in Deutsch

2009-08-23 Thread Sven Anders
Am Saturday 22 August 2009 20:47:05 schrieb Jonas Krückel: Hi, seit heute gibt es Walking Papers in deutscher Sprache. Details zur Meldung von Fehlern und Verbesserungsvorschlägen findet ihr oben neben den Links zu den einzelnen Sprachen. Manche Texte sind bestimmt noch verbesserungsfähig,

Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straße nnamen

2009-08-23 Thread Thomas Reincke
lulu-...@gmx.de schrieb: Hi, noch ein neues Argument für das Ausschreiben von Straßennamen: Die Symbian-Software Loadstone-GPS importiert OSM-Daten und liest sie mittels Screenreader vor - Es ist eine einfache Navi-Software, die auch für Blinde funktioniert. So weit brauchst Du gar nicht

Re: [Talk-de] Walking Papers in Deutsch

2009-08-23 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Hi ! verbesserungswürdig finde ich noch etwas untertrieben - für eine Erstbetrachter ist die Menüführung sehr schwierig und wird wohl in einem Themenwechsel enden. Gruß Jan :-) Jonas Krückel schrieb: Hi, seit heute gibt es Walking Papers in deutscher Sprache. Details zur Meldung von

Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straße nnamen

2009-08-23 Thread Mirko Küster
Für die Prof.-von-Capitaine-Straße im Nachbarort steht auf dem Straßenschild Prof.-v.-Capit.-Str.. Das hab ich so nicht in OSM eingegeben. Nichzu vergessen das je nach Platzverhältnissen, Umbauten usw. durchaus auch mal unterschiedliche Abkürzungsformen an ein und der selben Straße vorkommen.

Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straß ennamen

2009-08-23 Thread Friedhelm Schmidt
Ich wüsste jetzt nicht, wer Abkürzungs-Punkte mitspricht, das tat nichtmal die FDP zu ihren besten Zeiten. Doch - das tut der gemeine Mapper, wenn er ein Staßenschild in sein Diktiergerät spricht ständig: Ha Punkt Minus Ha Punkt Minus Meier mit E I Minus Straße ;-) Friedhelm

Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straße nnamen

2009-08-23 Thread Thomas Reincke
Mirko Küster schrieb: Die Angaben gehören voll ausgeschrieben in die Datenbank. Abkürzungen lassen sich einfacher automatisch ableiten. Standadrdabkürzungen wie str., v.-, Prof., Dr. usw. sehe ich unkritisch, beim rest sehe ich es ähnlich wie Du. Wer kann denn z.B. bitte etwas mit der

Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straße nnamen

2009-08-23 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Am So, 23.08.2009, 13:40 schrieb Thomas Reincke: Da hat man kaum eine Chance den ausgeschriebenen Namen zu recherchieren. Hey?! BTW: Wie geht man eigentlich mit Umbenennungen von Straßen um? öoc_name, alt_name? Zumindest für den Suchcontroller sollte der alte Name eine Weile auffindbar

Re: [Talk-de] Walking Papers in Deutsch

2009-08-23 Thread Patrick Hanft
Jan Tappenbeck wrote: verbesserungswürdig finde ich noch etwas untertrieben - für eine Erstbetrachter ist die Menüführung sehr schwierig und wird wohl in einem Themenwechsel enden. Sehe ich zwar ähnlich, ist aber ein Problem der Originalversion. Jedenfalls bekam ich als Reaktion auf das

Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straße nnamen

2009-08-23 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 08:58:48AM +0200, Johann H. Addicks wrote: Was bringt es, wenn ich vom Screenreader in OSM eine Hermann-Heinrich-Meierstraße vorlesen lasse, wenn auch alle Passanten die Straße nur als H.-H.-Meier-Straße kennen, weil es eben so auf dem Straßenschild steht und auch

Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straße nnamen

2009-08-23 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 01:40:27PM +0200, Thomas Reincke wrote: BTW: Wie geht man eigentlich mit Umbenennungen von Straßen um? öoc_name, alt_name? Zumindest für den Suchcontroller sollte der alte Name eine Weile auffindbar sein. Ich benutze alt_name Wenn eine Straße umbenannt wird wird

Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straße nnamen

2009-08-23 Thread Tobias Knerr
Tobias Wendorff schrieb: BTW: Wie geht man eigentlich mit Umbenennungen von Straßen um? Ich verwenda da: name:formerly Was spricht jetzt gleich nochmal dagegen, das auf http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name genannte old_name (Historically or previously known As) zu nehmen? Tobias

Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straße nnamen

2009-08-23 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Tobias Knerr schrieb: Was spricht jetzt gleich nochmal dagegen, das auf http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name genannte old_name (Historically or previously known As) zu nehmen? Meine Routine :-) Ich verwende: - name - name:DE - name:history - name:alternative (kompatibel dazu noch

Re: [Talk-de] Aufruf: Wiki-Artikel

2009-08-23 Thread Wolfgang Wienke
Hallo! André Riedel schrieb: Am 21. August 2009 10:38 schrieb Wolfgang Wienke wo_wie...@gmx.net: Hallo! André Riedel schrieb: Am 20. August 2009 21:41 schrieb Wolfgang Wienke wo_wie...@gmx.net: Es war nun mal bisher offensichtlich so üblich, ist nicht meine Idee. In jedem Fall sollte ein

Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straß ennamen

2009-08-23 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Sonntag 23 August 2009 schrieb Florian Lohoff: Und nur weil auf dem Straßenschild A.-v.-D.-Hülshoff steht kennen das nicht die Anwohner als A Punkt Minus vau punkt - Deee Punkt Minus Hülshoff Straße sondern als Annette-von-Droste-Hülshoff Straße und das bekommen auch Menschen aus anderen

Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straß ennamen

2009-08-23 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Guenther Meyer schrieb: als anwohner wuerde ich die wahrscheinlich hülshoffstrasse nennen, selbst avaudehülshoff ist schon sehr ausfuehrlich. ausserdem kann ich mir gut vorstellen, dass viele die vornamen gar nicht kennen - wozu auch... Führen wir hier eine Geodatendatenbank oder schreiben

Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straß ennamen

2009-08-23 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Sonntag 23 August 2009 schrieb Tobias Wendorff: Guenther Meyer schrieb: als anwohner wuerde ich die wahrscheinlich hülshoffstrasse nennen, selbst avaudehülshoff ist schon sehr ausfuehrlich. ausserdem kann ich mir gut vorstellen, dass viele die vornamen gar nicht kennen - wozu auch...

[Talk-de] Zur Info: [Osmf-talk] Informal board election results

2009-08-23 Thread Gehling Marc
Zur Info, Am 23.08.2009 um 14:43 schrieb Peter Miller: I notice that there has not been a formal election results announcement on this list as yet. I was at the AGM and the results have been posted informally on the wiki and reflect my memory of the results. [1] I think we have a very

Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straß ennamen

2009-08-23 Thread Stefan Schwan
Am 23. August 2009 14:39 schrieb Tobias Wendorff tobias.wendo...@uni-dortmund.de: Ich verwende: - name - name:DE - name:history - name:alternative (kompatibel dazu noch alt_name) - name:local (kompatibel dazu noch loc_name) - name:formerly - name:street_sign

Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straße nnamen

2009-08-23 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Stefan Schwan schrieb: Am 23. August 2009 14:39 schrieb Tobias Wendorff tobias.wendo...@uni-dortmund.de: Ich verwende: - name - name:DE - name:history - name:alternative (kompatibel dazu noch alt_name) - name:local (kompatibel dazu noch loc_name) - name:formerly - name:street_sign

Re: [Talk-de] Zur Info: [Osmf-talk] Informal board election results

2009-08-23 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
kann das bitte einer einmal zusammenfassend eindeutschen - besonders was mit election gemeint sein soll ! gruß Jan :-) Gehling Marc schrieb: Zur Info, Am 23.08.2009 um 14:43 schrieb Peter Miller: I notice that there has not been a formal election results announcement on this list as

Re: [Talk-de] Zur Info: [Osmf-talk] Informal board election results

2009-08-23 Thread Matthias Versen
Jan Tappenbeck wrote: kann das bitte einer einmal zusammenfassend eindeutschen - besonders was mit election gemeint sein soll ! gruß Jan :-) Gehling Marc schrieb: Zur Info, Am 23.08.2009 um 14:43 schrieb Peter Miller: I notice that there has not been a formal election results

Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straße nnamen

2009-08-23 Thread Johann H. Addicks
Sven Anders schrieb: Ergänzent möchte ich noch sagen das es bei Abweichungen zwischen einer Behördlichen Liste und eines Straßenschildes ja durchaus möglich ist Was tun wir denn, wenn sowohl das Straßenschild, wie auch die behördliche Liste eine Abkürzung vorsieht? Ausgeschrieben taggen?

Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straße nnamen

2009-08-23 Thread Johann H. Addicks
Mirko Küster schrieb: Jeder gibt das anders an. Selbst in Adressen wird oft nur von Fallersleben Straße angebeben, die findest du so auch auf keinem Schild. Das ist aber auch klar, denn diese Version müsste Fallerslebenstraße heisen, sofern diese sich immernoch auf den Dichter und nicht auf

Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straße nnamen

2009-08-23 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Johann H. Addicks schrieb: Was tun wir denn, wenn sowohl das Straßenschild, wie auch die behördliche Liste eine Abkürzung vorsieht? Ausgeschrieben taggen? Nach dem Treffen mit AEROWEST ist meine Meinung zu den behördlichen Daten ein Stück nach unten gerutscht (Smile @ Frederik). Möglichkeiten:

[Talk-de] Eiskaffee?

2009-08-23 Thread Adiac
Ich habe im Wiki kein Eiskaffe gefunden. Gibt’s sowas? Vorerst nehme ich dafür amenity=restaurant cuisine=ice_cream name=Eiskaffee ... Ist das so korrekt? MfG, Adiac ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-de] Eiskaffee?

2009-08-23 Thread Andre Hinrichs
Hallo, ich nehme bisher amenity=cafe cuisine=ice_cream name=Eiscafé ... Gruß Andre Am Sonntag, den 23.08.2009, 20:03 +0200 schrieb Adiac: Ich habe im Wiki kein Eiskaffe gefunden. Gibt’s sowas? Vorerst nehme ich dafür amenity=restaurant cuisine=ice_cream name=Eiskaffee ... Ist das so

Re: [Talk-de] Eiskaffee?

2009-08-23 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Adiac schrieb: Ich habe im Wiki kein Eiskaffe gefunden. Gibt’s sowas? Eiskaffe klingt aber böse nach Eigennamen. Selbst Eiskaffee würde nur das Getränk bezeichnen. Du meinst doch sicher Eiscafé. AFAIK heißt es im Englischen ice-cream parlour. Wobei ... es kommt ja darauf an, was es da gibt und

Re: [Talk-de] Zur Info: [Osmf-talk] Informal board election results

2009-08-23 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
danke ! Matthias Versen schrieb: Jan Tappenbeck wrote: kann das bitte einer einmal zusammenfassend eindeutschen - besonders was mit election gemeint sein soll ! gruß Jan :-) Gehling Marc schrieb: Zur Info, Am 23.08.2009 um 14:43 schrieb Peter Miller: I notice that there has not

Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straße nnamen

2009-08-23 Thread Johann H. Addicks
Tobias Wendorff schrieb: Johann H. Addicks schrieb: Was tun wir denn, wenn sowohl das Straßenschild, wie auch die behördliche Liste eine Abkürzung vorsieht? Ausgeschrieben taggen? Möglichkeiten: 1. auf die ALK schauen (da ist meist alles ausgeschrieben) 2. Amtsblätter durchschauen 3. auf

Re: [Talk-de] Zur Info: [Osmf-talk] Informal board election results

2009-08-23 Thread Johann H. Addicks
Jan Tappenbecks produzierte TOFU: [..] War ja nicht anders zu erwarten. Anyway, wer nicht Mitglied ist, der darf nicht wählen, darf also auch nicht kritisieren. Es bleibt mir also nur die Schilderung meiner enttäuschten Hoffnungen. Ich werde jedoch keine Erwartungen darin setzen, dass der hier

Re: [Talk-de] Noch ein kurioses Schild...

2009-08-23 Thread Torsten Leistikow
Moin, etwas eigene Schilderkombinationen findet man beim Mappen ja ab und an. Letztens ist mir folgendes begegnet: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Schwere_Radfahrer_klein.jpg Gruss Torsten ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-de] Wofuer alles Loecher in landuse

2009-08-23 Thread Torsten Leistikow
Robert S. schrieb: Ausgeschnitten werden muss aber nur, was nicht zu so einem Gebiet gehört. Leider gibt es keine klare Definition, was zu einem Gebiet gehoert und was nicht (Gehoert z.B. ein Park zu einem Wohngebiet? Oder ein Wald?) Als Folge davon wird jeder Renderer bei ueberlappenden

[Talk-de] Namensvorlage in Josm? (was: Schre ibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straßennamen)

2009-08-23 Thread Johann H. Addicks
Tobias Wendorff schrieb: Ich verwende: - name - name:DE - name:history - name:alternative (kompatibel dazu noch alt_name) - name:local (kompatibel dazu noch loc_name) - name:formerly - name:street_sign Ich habe bestimmt die Vorlage noch nicht gefunden, weil falsch gesucht: Wo verbirgt

Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straße nnamen

2009-08-23 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Johann H. Addicks schrieb: Kannst Du mal für angesprochene Hermann Henrich Meier Straße in Bremerhaven nachschauen? http://osm.org/go/0HgGlPtda--

Re: [Talk-de] Namensvorlage in Josm?

2009-08-23 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Johann H. Addicks schrieb: Tobias Wendorff schrieb: Ich verwende: - name - name:DE - name:history - name:alternative (kompatibel dazu noch alt_name) - name:local (kompatibel dazu noch loc_name) - name:formerly - name:street_sign Ich habe bestimmt die Vorlage noch nicht gefunden, weil

Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straße nnamen

2009-08-23 Thread Martin Trautmann
Mirko Küster wrote: Ausgeschrieben wäre das die Heinrich-Hoffmann-von-Fallersleben-Straße. Ich wette das andernorts auch die volle August-Heinrich-Hoffmann-von-Fallersleben-Straße gibt. Ich vermute, die Wette hast du verloren. Artern hat die Heinrich-Hoffmann-von-Fallersleben-Straße, das

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