[Talk-hr] Osmore PAK datoteka

2009-12-09 Thread Tomislav Parčina
Pokušavam izraditi PAK datoteku koju planiram koristiti s Gosmoreom ali nikako ne uspijevam. Na Ubuntu 9.04 sam instalirao Gosmore, skinuo sam mapu s OSM-a wget -O split.osm http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/map?bbox=16.38,43.49,16.51,43.53; te kad izvršim cat split.osm | ./gosmore rebuild

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OBbL and forks

2009-12-09 Thread Ed Avis
A related question is that if a fork happened, could it then be merged back into the main OSM project? -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-09 Thread Elena of Valhalla
On 12/9/09, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Are those in favour of PD really arguing that convenience for businesses is the main benefit? I would have thought the main benefits would be for individuals, and to avoid future licensing issues. Once data is licensed PD, you really don't

Re: [OSM-talk] Why the BSD vs GPL debate is irrelevant to OSM

2009-12-09 Thread Lutz Horn
Hi, Frederik Ramm frederik at remote.org writes: This means that any share-alike provision we slap on OSM data has a much more direct influence on the potential uses of the data than a share-alike provision on software on on creative works has. ODbL tries to reduce this problem by

[OSM-talk] Question that will not be asked

2009-12-09 Thread Rahkonen Jukka
Somehow I feel that in the final voting OSM contributors will have two choices: Yes or No. Reason is merely rational. When you vote in precidential election you are not asked WHY do you want to give your vote for your candidate. It is the same with the election about the new licence, it does not

Re: [OSM-talk] Why the BSD vs GPL debate is irrelevant to OSM

2009-12-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Lutz Horn wrote: ODbL tries to reduce this problem by exempting produced works from the share-alike effect, and this is a good thing, but still there will be many use cases adversely affected by the remaining share-alike for data. Could you please explain why you consider this

Re: [OSM-talk] Why the BSD vs GPL debate is irrelevant to OSM

2009-12-09 Thread Ulf Lamping
Lutz Horn schrieb: Hi, Frederik Ramm frederik at remote.org writes: This means that any share-alike provision we slap on OSM data has a much more direct influence on the potential uses of the data than a share-alike provision on software on on creative works has. ODbL tries to reduce

Re: [OSM-talk] What is a produced work

2009-12-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Ulf Lamping wrote: If you produce a 2 hour film that shows OSM maps for a few mins, is this a produced work or not? For me it's not. If you provide an atlas of your city, that contains only maps and street register all derived from OSM data, is this a produced work or not? For me it

Re: [OSM-talk] Why the BSD vs GPL debate is irrelevant to OSM

2009-12-09 Thread Ulf Lamping
Frederik Ramm schrieb: Hi, Lutz Horn wrote: ODbL tries to reduce this problem by exempting produced works from the share-alike effect, and this is a good thing, but still there will be many use cases adversely affected by the remaining share-alike for data. Could you please explain why

Re: [OSM-talk] Question that will not be asked

2009-12-09 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Rahkonen Jukka It would be only confusing to have more options like in the opinion poll at http://doodle.com/feqszqirqqxi4r7w The poll contains the three original questions which will be asked to all contributors if the new license is approved by the OSMF: -

Re: [OSM-talk] Why the BSD vs GPL debate is irrelevant to OSM

2009-12-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Ulf Lamping wrote: I'm thinking of OSM data as the geodata source code. Yes but that's precisely the misconception I wanted to remove with my post. How many Linux users look at, or work with, the Linux kernel source code? Is it 0.001% or rather 0.0001% or even less? In contrast, how many

Re: [OSM-talk] Question that will not be asked

2009-12-09 Thread Liz
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, Pieren wrote: So, I would thank the approx. 300 who participated to the 'crappy poll'. Pilot survey, I'd call it. So would I, because it showed clearly that more than one question should be asked. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Why the BSD vs GPL debate is irrelevant to OSM

2009-12-09 Thread Ulf Lamping
Frederik Ramm schrieb: Hi, Ulf Lamping wrote: I'm thinking of OSM data as the geodata source code. Yes but that's precisely the misconception I wanted to remove with my post. How many Linux users look at, or work with, the Linux kernel source code? Is it 0.001% or rather 0.0001% or

Re: [OSM-talk] Question that will not be asked

2009-12-09 Thread Ulf Lamping
Pieren schrieb: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Rahkonen Jukka It would be only confusing to have more options like in the opinion poll at http://doodle.com/feqszqirqqxi4r7w The poll contains the three original questions which will be asked to all contributors if the new license is

Re: [OSM-talk] What is a produced work

2009-12-09 Thread Ulf Lamping
Frederik Ramm schrieb: Hi, Your film example might fall in this category. I provided the examples to explain that whatever license you choose, there will always be cases where the legal situation won't feel right for you. The level where ODbL affords highest protection is that of a

Re: [OSM-talk] Question that will not be asked

2009-12-09 Thread Rahkonen Jukka
John Smith wrote: 2009/12/9 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: - yes and consider all my data PD Umm what happens in jurisdictions where PD isnt' applicable? This answer means just plain Yes for the ODbL. My understanding is that the PD part would be just a manifest, not dangerous at all. -Jukka

[OSM-talk] Fwd: Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-09 Thread Aun Johnsen
Sorry, looks like this one was sent only to Elena, I meant it for the entire list to see. If it comes double up, than I am sorry for your inconviniency -- Forwarded message -- From: Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org Date: Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Why PD

[OSM-talk] Deleting Sections of AND data for India

2009-12-09 Thread Shalabh
Hi All, This is Shalabh, one of the 'cheap Indians', as Stefan referred to us in the license change talk. Now, I have been mapping parts of a mountain state called HP (Himachal Pradesh) in India for the last 2 months. Google's data for the state is barely basic, OSM's is not even that. Most of

Re: [OSM-talk] Implications of using aggregated/statistical data from both licenses (ODbL and CC-by-SA) for OSMdoc?

2009-12-09 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Lars Francke wrote: At the moment I'm displaying statistical data about a snapshot of the OSM data. If it'd stay that way it would be very easy for me to switch from one license to the other as the data wouldn't depend on data from the CC by-SA set. But I'm currently rewriting the tool to

Re: [OSM-talk] Deleting Sections of AND data for India

2009-12-09 Thread John Smith
2009/12/9 Shalabh shalab...@gmail.com: Is there anyway the AND data can be segmented such that it can be deleted in sections and a new track with correct attributes put in as and when a mapper gets the correct data? Now I am a BIG 0 as a programmer, so if this is a no go, what else can be

Re: [OSM-talk] Deleting Sections of AND data for India

2009-12-09 Thread Shalabh
Thanks John, works, should have figured it out myself. Regards, Shalabh On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:21 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/12/9 Shalabh shalab...@gmail.com: Is there anyway the AND data can be segmented such that it can be deleted in sections and a new track

Re: [OSM-talk] Deleting Sections of AND data for India

2009-12-09 Thread Kyle Gordon
Shalabh wrote: Hi All, snip Is there anyway the AND data can be segmented such that it can be deleted in sections and a new track with correct attributes put in as and when a mapper gets the correct data? Now I am a BIG 0 as a programmer, so if this is a no go, what else can be done? Any

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-09 Thread Morten Kjeldgaard
Frederik Ramm wrote: I also tend to side with Creative Commons. It is not very wise of ODbL proponents to claim that CC say that CC-BY-SA doesn't work for data without also admitting that CC recommend CC0 for data. Allow me a clarifying question in the midst of this interesting debate. It

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: Making those nodes and ways, the users employ their judgement and knowledge about the landscape, as in I don't trust the the GPS track around here because of trees and tall buildings, or I'll place a POI there because I know it's a pretty good pizza place. I'll

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-09 Thread 80n
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: Making those nodes and ways, the users employ their judgement and knowledge about the landscape, as in I don't trust the the GPS track around here because of trees and tall buildings,

Re: [OSM-talk] Ticket on trac fixed properly ???

2009-12-09 Thread Fabri
Patrick Kilian ha scritto: Hi, Oh and by the way: You could have reopened the tiket instead of annoying everybody on the talk list. You behaviour makes me question my decision to implement your feature request. There is no reason to get angry. The talk list is for talk, for

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-09 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Morten Kjeldgaard wrote: I would argue that the latter is creative works and not under the category considered by the CC to be data? This is a hotly debated issue. And likely will remain so indefinitely. I don't

Re: [OSM-talk] Implications of using aggregated/statistical data from both licenses (ODbL and CC-by-SA) for OSMdoc?

2009-12-09 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Lars Francke wrote: At the moment I'm displaying statistical data about a snapshot of the OSM data. Hooee, this is probably the single trickiest question I've seen. I can't find any precedents for whether

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-09 Thread Dave F.
SteveC wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: SteveC schreef: You're really advocating switching license without asking anyone? Isn't he merely stating that if you truly believe CC-BY-SA doesn't protect the data, you don't have to ask

Re: [OSM-talk] Question that will not be asked

2009-12-09 Thread Michael Collinson
At 10:29 09/12/2009, Pieren wrote: ... But the OSMF never tries to reach those who are not reading the talk-lists or watching the forums. How many times have we seen a call for a simple question about the new license on the diary or on the main site page or on the header on all wiki pages ? Never.

Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] OSMF license change vote has started

2009-12-09 Thread Dave Stubbs
Have you seen this? http://www.osmfoundation.org/images/3/3c/License_Proposal.pdf Under the section 'So what should I do?' 'Refuse', it says: Your contributions will not be deleted Yet if you click on the link to the backup plan

Re: [OSM-talk] Implications of using aggregated/statistical data from both licenses (ODbL and CC-by-SA) for OSMdoc?

2009-12-09 Thread Lars Francke
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 15:43, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Lars Francke wrote: At the moment I'm displaying statistical data about a snapshot of the OSM data. Hooee, this is probably the single

Re: [OSM-talk] Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Anthony wrote: Or we can just come right out and name names. Google has built a business around mixing public domain data with its own proprietary improvements. Cloudmade has build a business around provid[ing] professional services around open mapdata. If everyone who improves

Re: [OSM-talk] Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-09 Thread Liz
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009, Frederik Ramm wrote: It's a difficult situation being OSMF chairman, LWG leader, and CloudMade founder at the same time. (I did campaign for no commercial interests to be represented in the OSMF board in the election run-up but, as always, nobody listened...) Conflict of

[OSM-talk] And the prize for the largest closed way goes to...

2009-12-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
... the excellent Philippines mapping team who managed to create one single closed way enclosing an area of roughly 300 thousand square kilometres! http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=32126765 The runner-up is a place in Sarah Palin Land, http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=24312786 with 80

Re: [OSM-talk] Question that will not be asked

2009-12-09 Thread Ulf Möller
Pieren schrieb: So, I would thank the approx. 300 who participated to the 'crappy poll'. Agree, and thanks to you for organizing it! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Why PD is not better for business

2009-12-09 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: If Steve were to say let's go PD, everone would howl: You're only doing this so that CloudMade can rip us off! If Steve says let's go ODbL, he is accused of only doing this because it keeps CloudMade in business by

Re: [OSM-talk] And the prize for the largest closed way goes to...

2009-12-09 Thread maning sambale
... the excellent Philippines mapping team who managed to create one single closed way enclosing an area of roughly 300 thousand square kilometres! http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=32126765 That is the Archipelagic Baselines of the Philippines, Republic Act No. 9522 signed into law March 10,

Re: [OSM-talk] Deleting Sections of AND data for India

2009-12-09 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wednesday 09 Dec 2009 5:09:51 pm Shalabh wrote: Most of the OSM tracks I see here are AND imports. So, we have National Highways (NHs henceforth), 550 km in length mapped as a single line with no breaks I faced the same problem in South India - what I do is map those parts I have

Re: [OSM-talk] And the prize for the largest closed way goes to...

2009-12-09 Thread Anthony
That does it, I'm making a way with name=Northern Hemisphere. Or would that be name=equator. Doesn't work, does it? On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: ... the excellent Philippines mapping team who managed to create one single closed way enclosing an

Re: [OSM-talk] And the prize for the largest closed way goes to...

2009-12-09 Thread Ian Dees
Depends which way you go around. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: That does it, I'm making a way with name=Northern Hemisphere. Or would that be name=equator. Doesn't work, does it? ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] And the prize for the largest closed way goes to...

2009-12-09 Thread Anthony
Oh yeah. Cool. How many nodes at minimum? 3, or 4? 3 wouldn't give you a direction. I guess 4 would. I promise I won't really do it. Well, maybe on the dev server. On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Depends which way you go around. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009

Re: [OSM-talk] Opinion poll about the new licence Odbl 1.0

2009-12-09 Thread Brendan Morley
On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:39:13 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 20:36, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: For Australians it means the loss of the coastline, most of which has been re- edited from government data, and major rivers like the Murray

[talk-au] Implications of license change on use of Australian data sources (e.g. nearmap)

2009-12-09 Thread Roy Wallace
If The License Change goes ahead, will that have any influence on, say, the legality of tracing from nearmap imagery? Does it appear as though some contributions will have to be removed if The License Change happens? If so, what kind of contributions?

Re: [talk-au] Implications of license change on use of Australian data sources (e.g. nearmap)

2009-12-09 Thread Liz
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote: Nearmap allows in their TC's to derive data, the data is under the license of the person deriving it chooses to release it under. The bigger issue was the AU Govt data, but that has fixed it self since it was relicensed as cc-by from cc-by-sa but it

Re: [talk-au] Implications of license change on use of Australian data sources (e.g. nearmap)

2009-12-09 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:26 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/9 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: If The License Change goes ahead, will that have any influence on, say, the legality of tracing from nearmap imagery? Does it appear as though some contributions will have

Re: [talk-au] Implications of license change on use of Australian data sources (e.g. nearmap)

2009-12-09 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote: Although. If CC-BY-SA isn't likely to stand in Australia for OSM it isn't likely to stand for anyone else either If its good enough for the Au guvmint, who can afford lawyers, it is probably protective in Au. -- You have had a long-term

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-09 Thread Sam Couter
Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Make sure if you are going to enter fuel information then you include all types, (lpg, 91, 95, 98 octane, diesel, etc) More: Automotive LPG is different tax-wise from barbecue LPG and therefore sold and dispensed differently, sometimes you can refill your

Re: [talk-au] Using Nearmap with JOSM

2009-12-09 Thread Dieter
Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: don't like about Potlatch. I started with Potlatch, switched to JOSM, then went back to Potlatch. There weren't enough extra features in JOSM to justify using a separate app in offline mode, for my liking... IMO there is one very important feature to be

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-09 Thread John Smith
2009/12/9 Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au: and usually only sold during the winter months in alpine areas. Ethanol is for drinking and swindling motorists and governments out of some cash so As if the govt doesn't get enough tax already, and they get tax on top of tax when the GST kicks in.

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-09 Thread John Smith
2009/12/9 Liz ed...@billiau.net: On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, Sam Couter wrote: Ethanol is for drinking and swindling motorists and governments out of some cash so it should be noted for those of us who'd rather push the car than put E10 in it. I thought E10 was so I didn't have to pay a 30c per

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-09 Thread Liz
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, John Smith wrote: Anyway, this is getting off topic, the fields from the BP are as following, most are binary fields (Y or N), no idea what the other field is for. NAME,X,Y, LocationNo, Street, Town, State, Postcode, Phone, Unlead, PremiumUnlead, BPUltimate, E10, Diesel,

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:52 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: NAME,X,Y, LocationNo, Street, Town, State, Postcode, Phone, Unlead, PremiumUnlead, BPUltimate, E10, Diesel, Any_Autogas, Hours_24, Trailers, LPGBottle, Toilets, CarWash, CleanGo, SuperWash, Other, Pay, EFTPOS,

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-09 Thread John Smith
2009/12/9 Liz ed...@billiau.net: give us some practical examples and we can go and visit our local BP servos and try to work out what Other is AA Oakleigh 145.09 -37.88 5362162 - 168 Warrigal Rd Oakleigh VIC 3166 AA Reservoir145.02 -37.72 372235 - 37 Gisborne

Re: [talk-au] Implications of license change on use of Australian data sources (e.g. nearmap)

2009-12-09 Thread James Livingston
On 09/12/2009, at 6:38 PM, Roy Wallace wrote: If you derive information from observing our PhotoMaps, and include that information in a work, you will own that work, and may distribute it to others under a Creative Commons licence. Does that not imply that the derived information may only be

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-09 Thread John Smith
2009/12/9 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Can we really maintain this? These services come and go fairly frequently. Just keep a list of nodes/ways and the location ID and it should be trivial to keep up to date. Also, if you're doing a bulk import, how do you avoid double tagging existing

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-09 Thread James Livingston
On 09/12/2009, at 8:26 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: Can we really maintain this? These services come and go fairly frequently. Individual things like whether they have LPG filling for bbqs maybe, but servos don't move that often (usually taken over by another one). In any case, it's probably not

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-09 Thread John Smith
2009/12/9 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: I'd suggest doing something like import if there is not an existing amenity=fuel within X distance, flag it for manual checking if there is. The only problem with that is where you get 2 or 3 service stations close/next to each other.

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-09 Thread James Livingston
On 09/12/2009, at 8:41 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:37 PM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: I'd suggest doing something like import if there is not an existing amenity=fuel within X distance, flag it for manual checking if there is. Ah, didn't know that kind of

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-09 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:14:32 +1100 Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote: Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Make sure if you are going to enter fuel information then you include all types, (lpg, 91, 95, 98 octane, diesel, etc) More: Automotive LPG is different tax-wise from barbecue LPG

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-09 Thread Sam Couter
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with E10 for most cars is it doesn't recognise the extra oxygen atom Australian electronic fuel injection systems have O2 sensors, this isn't a problem. The reduced energy of E10 compared to the same volume of petrol is a problem, is basic

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-09 Thread Sam Couter
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: As if the govt doesn't get enough tax already, and they get tax on top of tax when the GST kicks in. The government gets *less* money from E10. Fuel excise is reduced and its production is subsidised. Anyway, this is getting off topic, Yes, but a

Re: [talk-au] Implications of license change on use of Australian data sources (e.g. nearmap)

2009-12-09 Thread Ben Last
I'm sure Alex is reading the list, but I am too :) If there are concerns with our license, we'll work to address them - a key goal of ours is to support OSM and that was a firm requirement when the license was drafted. Cheers Ben 2009/12/9 James Livingston doc...@mac.com On 09/12/2009, at

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-09 Thread John Smith
Ok, getting back on topic, I spent a little time this morning generating an OSM file that can be opened in JOSM. For those curious/interested: http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/BPtest.osm.bz2 I haven't included all fields, I left out the following: [16] = Trailers [17] = LPGBottle

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-09 Thread Steve Bennett
[26] = ATM You could add a separate (or same?) amenity=atm (or whatever it is) point? Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Implications of license change on use of Australian data sources (e.g. nearmap)

2009-12-09 Thread Alex Kwiatkowski
I've just got a response from our legal team and this is what they say. We are always keen to clear up any uncertainties regarding derived works. Our requirement is that derived works are availlable to others, using a Creative Commons style license. In other words, we share the same approach as

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-09 Thread John Smith
2009/12/10 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:    [26] =  ATM You could add a separate (or same?) amenity=atm (or whatever it is) point? I added tag k='amenity:atm' v='no' / tag k='amenity:eftpos' v='yes' / tag k='rent:trailers' v='no' / tag k='rent:lpg_bottles' v='no' / tag

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-09 Thread John Smith
Also I think some of the co-ords are way off, there is 2 BP locations in Carnarvon for example and when you zoom in on them there doesn't look to be a service station anywhere within the vicinity. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] Australia BP service station dataset - suitable for bulk import?

2009-12-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:39 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: The 2 BP's along the Bruce Highway north of Brisbane aren't located properly either, it looks like they've simply used address to geo lookups and when the addresses are specific they co-ords go wonky, wonder if they

Re: [Talk-de] Checker für Bibliotheken in Deutschlan d

2009-12-09 Thread Sven Anders
Gehling Marc schrieb: Hallo Sven, Habe gerade zwei eingetragen, eine Bibliothek fehlte die isil, eine war noch nicht in OSM. Könnte man eine Liste mit allen Bibliotheken aus der isil-liste erzeugen, entsprechend der Strassenliste mit vorhanden oder fehlt ? Und ob die Bibliothek

Re: [Talk-de] Checker für Bibliotheken in Deutschland

2009-12-09 Thread marcus.wolschon
Bei den Suchergebnissen kann man auch gleich Prima die Adresse (addr:housenumber, addr:postcode, addr:street) übernehmen. Marcus On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:01:20 +0100, Sven Anders s...@anders-hamburg.de wrote: Moin, ich hab jetzt einen ISIL Checker Online. Es wäre toll, wenn jeder einfach

Re: [Talk-de] Filmchen einer Mapping-Party

2009-12-09 Thread Jochen Topf
On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 01:43:23AM +0100, Johann H. Addicks wrote: Merkwürdig nur, dass die sich Amateurfunker nennen. Hier in der Gegend löst diese Fehlbezeichnung immer heftige Proteststürme aus. Ich glaub wenn wir Funkamateure unter uns sind, dann sieht man das nicht so eng. :-) Was den

Re: [Talk-de] Checker für Bibliotheken in Deutschland - Potlatch

2009-12-09 Thread marcus.wolschon
Bei dem Potlatch-Link sind Lat und Lon vertauscht. Man kommt leist in einem der grossen Ozeane raus. ;) Marcus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Checker für Bibliotheken in Deutschla nd

2009-12-09 Thread Christoph Wagner
Sven Anders schrieb: Es wäre toll, wenn jeder einfach von den Bibliotheken in seiner Nähe die ISIL (das ist (arg verkürzt) eine International gültige Bibliothekennummer) ergänzt. Ähm, ganz so einfach scheint das nicht zu sein. Was mache ich denn beispielsweise mit der Sächsischen

Re: [Talk-de] Checker für Bibliotheken in Deutschlan d - Potlatch

2009-12-09 Thread Sven Anders
marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com schrieb: Bei dem Potlatch-Link sind Lat und Lon vertauscht. Man kommt leist in einem der grossen Ozeane raus. ;) Du bist gleich auf meine Potlach sperre gelaufen ;-) Ist behoben. Gruß Sven ___ Talk-de mailing list

Re: [Talk-de] Checker für Bibliotheken in Deutschland

2009-12-09 Thread André Riedel
Am 9. Dezember 2009 10:45 schrieb Christoph Wagner freemaps@googlemail.com: Oder gibt es einen Weg an einen node mehrere ISILs zu hängen (mit Semikolon getrennt zum Beispiel). Semikolon als Trennzeichen würde ich bevorzugen. Ciao André ___

Re: [Talk-de] Checker für Bibliotheken in Deutschla nd

2009-12-09 Thread Sven Anders
Christoph Wagner schrieb: Sven Anders schrieb: Es wäre toll, wenn jeder einfach von den Bibliotheken in seiner Nähe die ISIL (das ist (arg verkürzt) eine International gültige Bibliothekennummer) ergänzt. Ähm, ganz so einfach scheint das nicht zu sein. Was mache ich denn

Re: [Talk-de] Unverbindliche Umfrage zum Lizenzwechsel

2009-12-09 Thread northc...@gmx.de
Danke für die Antwort. Das würde also bedeuten bei einem Fork würde sich die Daten derjenigen die PD bei der Abstimmung auswählen direkt in diesem wiederfinden. Dann kann man ja eigentlich nur dazu raten ein klares Bekenntnis zur ODBL abzugeben und nicht Option 2 zu wählen die gleichzeitig ein

Re: [Talk-de] Unverbindliche Umfrage zum Lizenzwechsel

2009-12-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, northc...@gmx.de wrote: Das würde also bedeuten bei einem Fork würde sich die Daten derjenigen die PD bei der Abstimmung auswählen direkt in diesem wiederfinden. Wenn es einen Fork gibt, dann wird dieser Fork die CC-By-SA-Lizenz behalten. Denn damit haette er einen unschlagbaren

Re: [Talk-de] Checker für Bibliotheken in Deutschla nd

2009-12-09 Thread Schorschi
Moin, On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Sven Anders wrote: ich hab jetzt einen ISIL Checker Online. prima :-) Büchereien / Bibliotheken finde ich gute und sehr unterstützenswerte Einrichtungen. Eine Erklärung dazu gibt es im Wiki unter: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:ISIL-Landkarte hab' ich

Re: [Talk-de] Checker für Bibliotheken in Deutschla nd

2009-12-09 Thread Frank Sautter
Sven Anders schrieb: Es wäre toll, wenn jeder einfach von den Bibliotheken in seiner Nähe die ISIL ergänzt. hmm... wie weit verbreitet ist denn diese ISIL nummer? von den teilweise recht großen bibliotheken in meinem umfeld habe ich genau eine gefunden (DE-1286). alle drumherum - auch die

[Talk-de] REF-defintion bei Wanderwegen

2009-12-09 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Moin ! bei den Fernwanderwegen gibt es das Tag REF - ich würde gerne auch eines für die Jakobswege haben. Kann man das selber vorschlagen oder werden diese in Anlehung an irgendetwas vergeben ??? Mein Vorschlag für den Jakobsweg: JW Gruß Jan :-)

Re: [Talk-de] Checker für Bibliotheken in Deutschla nd

2009-12-09 Thread Sven Anders
Frank Sautter schrieb: Sven Anders schrieb: Es wäre toll, wenn jeder einfach von den Bibliotheken in seiner Nähe die ISIL ergänzt. hmm... wie weit verbreitet ist denn diese ISIL nummer? von den teilweise recht großen bibliotheken in meinem umfeld habe ich genau eine gefunden

Re: [Talk-de] REF-defintion bei Wanderwegen

2009-12-09 Thread André Riedel
Am 9. Dezember 2009 13:44 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net: Moin ! bei den Fernwanderwegen gibt es das Tag REF - ich würde gerne auch eines für die Jakobswege haben. Kann man das selber vorschlagen oder werden diese in Anlehung an irgendetwas vergeben ??? Wenn es eine offizielle

Re: [Talk-de] Checker für Bibliotheken in Deutschla nd

2009-12-09 Thread Mirko Küster
Evtl. mal bei der ISIL-Suche den Ortsnamen angeben, statt dem Biliotheksnamen. Bei OSM sind viele Biliotheken. Die ISIL Suchfunktion ist nicht so ganz optimal. Wird in vielen Fällen auch zu keinem Ergebnis führen. Die ISIL wollte ich schon vor einem Jahr bei den Bibos in meiner Ecke

Re: [Talk-de] REF-defintion bei Wanderwegen

2009-12-09 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
hi ! dann müßte man vB für via Baltia, vS für via Scandinavia etc. verwenden und dann die ganzen Arme im Süddeutschen ...! Gruß Jan :-) André Riedel schrieb: Am 9. Dezember 2009 13:44 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net: Moin ! bei den Fernwanderwegen gibt es das Tag REF - ich würde

Re: [Talk-de] REF-defintion bei Wanderwegen

2009-12-09 Thread André Riedel
Am 9. Dezember 2009 14:16 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net: dann müßte man vB für via Baltia, vS für via Scandinavia etc. verwenden und dann die ganzen Arme im Süddeutschen ...! JW vB und JW vS klingen plausibel. Ciao André ___ Talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Checker für Bibliotheken in Deutschla nd

2009-12-09 Thread Sven Anders
Christoph Wagner schrieb: http://osm-isil.anders-hamburg.de/?zoom=15lat=51.03032lon=13.73542layers=B0T Nun ist es leider so, dass hier in einem Gebäude anscheinend mehrere Abteilungen mit unterschiedlicher ISIL existieren. So hat beispielsweise die Bereichsbibliothek DrePunct die DE-1404

Re: [Talk-de] REF-defintion bei Wanderwegen

2009-12-09 Thread Andre Joost
André Riedel schrieb: Wenn es eine offizielle Abkürzung gibt, dann sollte diese verwendet werden (Beispiel Rennsteigwanderweg - R). Oft gibt es dies jedoch nicht, dann sucht man sich ein passendes aus. Mein Vorschlag für den Jakobsweg: JW Jain, warum nicht. Besser wäre vielleicht noch

Re: [Talk-de] REF-defintion bei Wanderwegen

2009-12-09 Thread Nop
Hi! bei den Fernwanderwegen gibt es das Tag REF - ich würde gerne auch eines für die Jakobswege haben. Kann man das selber vorschlagen oder werden diese in Anlehung an irgendetwas vergeben ??? Soweit ich das verstanden habe, kommt das REF-Tag eher von den Straßen her und ist für

Re: [Talk-de] REF-defintion bei Wanderwegen

2009-12-09 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
HI ! das REF wäre schön für die Garmin-Karten zu verwerten - deshalb würde ich das gerne mit berücksichtigen ?!?! Gruß Jan :-) Andre Joost schrieb: André Riedel schrieb: Wenn es eine offizielle Abkürzung gibt, dann sollte diese verwendet werden (Beispiel Rennsteigwanderweg - R). Oft gibt

Re: [Talk-de] REF-defintion bei Wanderwegen

2009-12-09 Thread Andre Joost
Jan Tappenbeck schrieb: HI ! das REF wäre schön für die Garmin-Karten zu verwerten - deshalb würde ich das gerne mit berücksichtigen ?!?! Kannst ja machen, aber je kürzer je besser! Verwechslungsgefahr besteht da doch nur an den wenigen Berührungspunkten der diversen Jakobswege. Gruß,

Re: [Talk-de] Unverbindliche Umfrage zum Lizenzwechsel

2009-12-09 Thread Sebastian Hohmann
Frederik Ramm schrieb: Die PD-Option ist mehr als eine Meinungsumfrage, sie ist durchaus eine rechtswirksame Deklaration, aber ihr Nutzen ist beschraenkt, denn das Datenbankrecht schuetzt ja eine Sammlung von Daten, auch wenn die einzelnen Daten schutzlos sind. Die OSMF kann also ihr

Re: [Talk-de] REF-defintion bei Wanderwegen

2009-12-09 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Hallo NOP, @und konzentriere mich auf die graphischen Symbole das würd ich auch gerne aber beim normalen MKGMAP sind mir graphische Symbole als Wegemarkierungen nicht bekannt - hätte ich auch liebend gerne !!! gruß Jan :-) Nop schrieb: Hi! bei den Fernwanderwegen gibt es das Tag REF -

Re: [Talk-de] Unverbindliche Umfrage zum Lizenzwechsel

2009-12-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Sebastian Hohmann wrote: Und wie wäre ein Auszug von PD-Daten aus der ODbL-Datenbank dann möglich? Mit Zustimmung der OSMF oder einfach garnicht? Mit Zustimmung, denke ich. Ausserdem endet der Datenbankschutz nach einer gewissen Anzahl Jahren (15? 20?). wie könnte man jemals wieder

Re: [Talk-de] Unverbindliche Umfrage zum Lizenzwechsel

2009-12-09 Thread Matthias Versen
Frederik Ramm wrote: Wenn jemand in der Lizenz-Abstimmung ankreuzt ich unterstuetze den Wechsel zu ODbL, bin aber zugleich der Ansicht, dass meine Daten eh PD sind - so wie ich das tun werde -, dann sagt er damit ja auch, dass er sich eben nicht von OSM abwenden wuerde (sonst kann er ja

Re: [Talk-de] Unverbindliche Umfrage zum Lizenzwechsel

2009-12-09 Thread Wolfgang
Hallo, Am Mittwoch 09 Dezember 2009 11:50:38 schrieb Frederik Ramm: Was ich mir vorstellen kann, ist, dass es fuer eine gewisse Zeit einen mehr oder weniger sanktionierten CC-BY-SA-Fork geben koennte, in dem die Daten gehalten werden, die nicht relizensiert wurden. Es koennte ja sein, dass wir

Re: [Talk-de] Unverbindliche Umfrage zum Lizenzwechsel

2009-12-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Wolfgang wrote: Ich weiß nicht, ob es möglich sein wird, tiles aus der alten und neuen DB zu rechnen, Aber ich; es wird moeglich sein. da in dem Falle die Daten aus der ODBL mit den Daten aus CC-BY-SA gemischt werden müssten. So weit ich weiß, fordert die ODBL dann die Freigabe

Re: [Talk-de] Zugriff auf ALLE OSM-Daten

2009-12-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Christian H. Bruhn wrote: Ich weiß, daß man sich mit den Planet-Files einen aktuellen Snapshot der OSM-Daten weltweit ziehen kann. Aber die Historie und die Tracks und was weiß ich noch alles es sonst noch gibt, diese Daten liegen doch nur auf den Servern der OSMF, oder? Die Historie

Re: [Talk-de] Unverbindliche Umfrage zum Lizenzwechsel

2009-12-09 Thread Bernd Wurst
Am Mittwoch 09 Dezember 2009 16:59:00 schrieb Frederik Ramm: Das Mischen der Daten ist schon moeglich (eine collective database), auch die Erzeugung von Karten oder anderen (nicht-Datenbank-)Produkten daraus, bloss die Schaffung einer gemeinsamen abgeleiteten Datenbank macht Probleme. Das

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