[Talk-kosovo] Map Mitrovica

2013-11-13 Thread Jan B
Hi all,

this is to announce the first OSM mapping event to take place in
Mitrovicë/Kosovska Mitrovica next week!

It is organised in collaboration with a local organization that aims to
bring people from the divided city together. We hope to attract many
participants from different parts of the city and to make the best city
map ever :)

See this wiki page for more information:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Mitrovica

Also we're looking for some experienced OSM users speaking Serbian
and/or Albanian to support the event by joining us and giving help to
the participants.
Feel free to contact me if you're interested to join. Looking forward to
your feedback!

jan

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[talk-ph] Post-disaster imagery of Tacloban area available

2013-11-13 Thread Jean-Guilhem Cailton
Dear All,

Thanks to the coordination work of Andrew Buck, Kate Chapman, and Dale
Kunce from the American Red Cross, among others, the U.S. Department of
State's Humanitarian Information Unit (HUI) has made available
post-disaster imagery from Digital Globe through the NextView License.

Robert Banick, from the American Red Cross too, has setup a task to map
the current state of Tacloban City area after Typhoon Haiyan inflicted
heavy damage to buildings, infrastructure and areas:

http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/350

Many thanks to all those who made this possible, and to all of you who
are going to make the best use of it to help the relief workers
alleviate the suffering of the survivors.

Jean-Guilhem


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[talk-ph] Fwd: Re: [HOT] Post-disaster imagery of Tacloban area available

2013-11-13 Thread Jean-Guilhem Cailton
Sending this message again, as the previous version was rejected as too
big because it included a large screen capture. I think it remains
understandable without it. Anyway, the big version is in the moderator
queue.



 Message original 
Sujet:  Re: [HOT] Post-disaster imagery of Tacloban area available
Date :  Wed, 13 Nov 2013 10:46:13 +0100
De :Jean-Guilhem Cailton jg_cail...@volunteers.cartong.org
Pour :  Noel Ballantyne noelballant...@gmail.com
Copie à :   HOT h...@openstreetmap.org, osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org



Hi Noel

Good tip for JOSM, and good idea to share your offset estimate.

But please, send them directly to the lists. (Actually, at first, I was
thinking that this was what you had done.)

I am copying them now.

Thank you very much,

Jean-Guilhem


Le 13/11/2013 10:10, Noel Ballantyne a écrit :
 Hi Jean-Guilhem

 A tip for anyone using JOSM. 

 create a filter with this expression' collapsed OR damaged'

 With this filter on buildings tagged with collapsed OR damaged be
 greyed out leaving  buildings that have not been assessed.

 [cut image to cut down my message size]

 Noel


 On 13 November 2013 08:57, Noel Ballantyne noelballant...@gmail.com
 mailto:noelballant...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Jean-Guilhem

 There is an imagery offset of 6.71; -1.73 for anyone using JOSM

 Noel


 On 13 November 2013 08:10, Jean-Guilhem Cailton
 jg_cail...@volunteers.cartong.org
 mailto:jg_cail...@volunteers.cartong.org wrote:

 Dear All,

 Thanks to the coordination work of Andrew Buck, Kate Chapman,
 and Dale
 Kunce from the American Red Cross, among others, the U.S.
 Department of
 State's Humanitarian Information Unit (HUI) has made available
 post-disaster imagery from Digital Globe through the NextView
 License.

 Robert Banick, from the American Red Cross too, has setup a
 task to map
 the current state of Tacloban City area after Typhoon Haiyan
 inflicted
 heavy damage to buildings, infrastructure and areas:

 http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/350

 Many thanks to all those who made this possible, and to all of
 you who
 are going to make the best use of it to help the relief workers
 alleviate the suffering of the survivors.

 Jean-Guilhem


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Re: [talk-ph] Post-disaster imagery of Tacloban area available

2013-11-13 Thread Jean-Guilhem Cailton
Hi Erwin,

landuse=brownfield was suggested on IRC

Please people, talk with the lists directly, I am very busy trying to
setup more imagery.

Best wishes,

Jean-Guilhem


Le 13/11/2013 11:09, Erwin Olario a écrit :
 How should we mark areas tagged as residential (without buildings) and
 appears to be damaged?

 On Wednesday, November 13, 2013, Jean-Guilhem Cailton wrote:

 Sending this message again, as the previous version was rejected
 as too big because it included a large screen capture. I think it
 remains understandable without it. Anyway, the big version is in
 the moderator queue.



  Message original 
 Sujet:Re: [HOT] Post-disaster imagery of Tacloban area available
 Date :Wed, 13 Nov 2013 10:46:13 +0100
 De :  Jean-Guilhem Cailton jg_cail...@volunteers.cartong.org
 javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'jg_cail...@volunteers.cartong.org');
 Pour :Noel Ballantyne noelballant...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'noelballant...@gmail.com');
 Copie à : HOT h...@openstreetmap.org javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
 'h...@openstreetmap.org');, osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
 javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'talk-ph@openstreetmap.org');



 Hi Noel

 Good tip for JOSM, and good idea to share your offset estimate.

 But please, send them directly to the lists. (Actually, at first,
 I was thinking that this was what you had done.)

 I am copying them now.

 Thank you very much,

 Jean-Guilhem


 Le 13/11/2013 10:10, Noel Ballantyne a écrit :
 Hi Jean-Guilhem

 A tip for anyone using JOSM. 

 create a filter with this expression' collapsed OR damaged'

 With this filter on buildings tagged with collapsed OR damaged be
 greyed out leaving  buildings that have not been assessed.

 [cut image to cut down my message size]

 Noel


 On 13 November 2013 08:57, Noel Ballantyne
 noelballant...@gmail.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
 'noelballant...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 Hi Jean-Guilhem

 There is an imagery offset of 6.71; -1.73 for anyone using JOSM

 Noel


 On 13 November 2013 08:10, Jean-Guilhem Cailton
 jg_cail...@volunteers.cartong.org javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
 'jg_cail...@volunteers.cartong.org'); wrote:

 Dear All,

 Thanks to the coordination work of Andrew Buck, Kate
 Chapman, and Dale
 Kunce from the American Red Cross, among others, the U.S.
 Department of
 State's Humanitarian Information Unit (HUI) has made
 available
 post-disaster imagery from Digital Globe through the
 NextView License.

 Robert Banick, from the American Red Cross too, has setup
 a task to map
 the current state of Tacloban City area after Typhoon
 Haiyan inflicted
 heavy damage to buildings, infrastructure and areas:

 http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/350

 Many thanks to all those who made this possible, and to
 all of you who
 are going to make the best use of it to help the relief
 workers
 alleviate the suffering of the survivors.

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Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Typhoon Haiyan Mapping Progress

2013-11-13 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote:

 Just found this map in the New York Times, which credits OpenStreetMap.
 Presumably this is the end result of all the initial mapping done on OSM?


 http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/11/11/world/asia/typhoon-haiyan-map.html?_r=0


Yes. :)
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[talk-ph] Typhoon Haiyan and OpenStreetMap

2013-11-13 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Hello everyone,

The online response to mapping the areas affected by Typhoon Haiyan is very
heartwarming. Thank you to everyone involved. Please do continue to map as
the data is being used by first responders and relief workers.

Most of the information about mapping efforts can be found on the OSM Wiki:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Typhoon_Haiyan

Here are some choice highlights:

1. HOT's OSM Tasking Manager: http://tasks.hotosm.org/
- This is where most of the mapping efforts are coordinated. There are
currently 13 tasks that you can participate in. Almost all tasks are for
tracing buildings and roads using available Bing satellite imagery. One is
for assessing damage using post-typhoon imagery.

2. The Atlantic - How Online Mapmakers Are Helping the Red Cross Save
Lives in the Philippines:
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/11/how-online-mapmakers-are-helping-the-red-cross-save-lives-in-the-philippines/281366/
- Feature article explaining how the map data in OSM can help the
(American) Red Cross in directing relief effort where it is needed most

3. Changesets map by Pascal Neis:
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-typhoon-haiyan-2013/#7/11.502/122.805
- Hourly updated map showing the locations of half of the 8000+ changesets
in the affected areas. These changesets were done by 600+ mappers and
contain almost 1.3 million changes (versions) to objects.

4. Before and after map:
http://pierzen.dev.openstreetmap.org/hot/leaflet/OSM-Compare-before-after-philippines.html
- Side-by-side map comparing rendered OSM data from before the typhoon to
the current OSM tiles

5. Areal damage overview map of Tacloban:
http://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/americanredcross.map-ms6tihx6/page.html#14/11.2189/125.0116
- Map by the American Red Cross showing areas damaged in Tacloban. The
buildings come from OSM. This map has been used by The New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/11/11/world/asia/typhoon-haiyan-map.html?_r=1;

Thanks!
Eugene
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[talk-ph] Yolanda Mapathon at UP Geography Dept.

2013-11-13 Thread maning sambale
Dear all,

We are planning a short mapathon to train a few people of the UPD
Geography Department to edit OSM.  Initial plan will be on Friday Nov
15, 6:00 PM.  If anyone is near UP Diliman, please join.

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[talk-ph] Searching all financial institutions (Yolanda Response)

2013-11-13 Thread maning sambale
Dear everyone,

We got a request to search for details of all banks, money transfer,
postoffices.

Basically, we need to improve address details on what is available in OSM.
No mapping needed, this is just browser and spreadsheet.

If anyone is interested, send me a message offlist.

Thanks!

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[OSM-talk-be] POI Address problem

2013-11-13 Thread Marc Gemis
Can someone please tell me how I can properly tag this POI
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/237662466 ?

It's a shop located in the Pierstraat in Reet. The building has an
addr:street tag and is part of an associatedStreet relation. However
Nominatim (and openlinkmap) places it in the Pierstraat - Matenstraat. Do a
look-up for Vero Golf on osm.org

I know this is a complex street that starts as Pierstraat in Reet/Rumst in
the east, becomes Pierstraat (Reet side)-  Reetsesteenweg (Aartselaar
side), Pierstraat (both Reet  Aartselaar), Pierstraat (Aartselaar side) -
Matenstraat (Niel side) while traveling to the west.

Nevertheless the building is nearer a Pierstraat-Pierstraat part and has
all those additional tags.

So what's the use of all this additional information when the reference
implementation (=Nominatim) just ignores it?

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[OSM-talk-be] Brussels

2013-11-13 Thread André Pirard
On 2013-11-13 12:18, Marc Gemis wrote :
 Can someone please tell me how I can properly tag this
 POI http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/237662466 ?

 It's a shop located in the Pierstraat in Reet. The building has an
 addr:street tag and is part of an associatedStreet relation. However
 Nominatim (and openlinkmap) places it in the Pierstraat - Matenstraat.
 Do a look-up for Vero Golf on osm.org http://osm.org
Would anyone mind so little? ;-)
 Brussels: *Village* Boundary Brussels, Ville de Bruxelles,
 Brussels-Capital, *French Community*, Brussels-Capital Region,
 1000;1040, Belgium
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=4.33549880981445minlat=50.7964057922363maxlon=4.40201187133789maxlat=50.8904113769531
Nominatim locates that village in the French Community !!!
And nobody seems to care !!!


 ...
 Territorialité des langues
 
 https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communaut%C3%A9s_de_Belgique#Territorialit.C3.A9_des_langues

 La Constitution belge a prévu, en son article 4
 https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_4_de_la_Constitution_belge,
 _*quatre *__*régions linguistiques
 https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9gions_linguistiques_de_Belgique*_ :
 la région de langue néerlandaise, la région de Bruxelles-Capitale
 (bilingue français-néerlandais), la région de langue française et la
 région de langue allemande (la plupart des communes des Cantons de
 l'Est
 https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantons_de_l%27Est_%28Belgique%29).
 Ces quatre zones délimitent les territoires où chaque langue est la
 langue officielle, avec en plus trente communes situées près des
 frontières linguistiques où des minorités historiques bénéficient de
 facilités linguistiques
 https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facilit%C3%A9s_linguistiques.

 Les Communautés ne représentent donc pas directement l'ensemble des
 personnes parlant une des langues officielles, mais les habitants des
 différentes régions linguistiques.


   Gemeenschap (België)
   https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemeenschap_%28Belgi%C3%AB%29

 Een *gemeenschap* is een /_*persoonsgebonden*_ overheid/ in België
 https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgi%C3%AB.

 ...

 _*Alle Belgen*_ vallen onder een van de volgende drie
 taalgemeenschappen ...

 ...


 Brussel

 _*Brussel is officieel tweetalig*_, behorend tot zowel de Vlaamse en
 Franse gemeenschap...


The issue seems clear to me, especially in French.
We have 3 kinds of persons according to the official language they
speak, but we have *4 territories* one of which is bilingual in the
sense that their people can choose between two languages. behorend tot
zowel is ambiguous: it should made clear that it speaks of the persons
and not the territories.
But that's obvious. A territory cannot be inside 2 disjoint territories,
and that's the problem...
As OSM is obviously drawing territories, the communities do not fit in
relations, these must contain territories

As nobody cares, as I am presently involved in Brussels modifications,
and as I know boundaries well, I can do that:
- add a 4th territory aka community for Brussels.
The only problem is how to name it.
The three territories are called:

Flemish Community, Communauté flamande, Vlaamse Gemeenschap, Flämische
Gemeinschaft
French Community, Communauté française, Franse Gemeenschap, Französische
Gemeinschaft
German-speaking Community, Communauté germanophone, Duitstalige
Gemeenschap, Deutschsprachige Gemeinschaft

They should normally not be called territories, but I'm not going to
start a misunderstood revolution.
Brussels' Community? Bilingual Community?
 I know this is a complex street that starts as Pierstraat in
 Reet/Rumst in the east ,...
I know it's a complex country that starts as Pierstraat in the west, ... :-)

Cheers,
Cordialement,

André.


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Brussels

2013-11-13 Thread Gerard Vanderveken

 The only problem is how to name it.
The three territories are called:

Flemish Community, Communauté flamande, Vlaamse Gemeenschap, Flämische 
Gemeinschaft
French Community, Communauté française, Franse Gemeenschap, 
Französische Gemeinschaft
German-speaking Community, Communauté germanophone, Duitstalige 
Gemeenschap, Deutschsprachige Gemeinschaft


They should normally not be called territories, but I'm not going to 
start a misunderstood revolution.

Brussels' Community? Bilingual Community?



I think it should be Bilingual Community, because
- that border level refers to the languages and Brussels is not (an 
official one)
- it's a neutral description and does not favourite one of the languages 
as else one of them should be mentioned first.
A note could explain that the community is part of both, but is mapped 
seperatly, because of the limitations of OSM.


Regards,
Gerard.

André Pirard wrote:


On 2013-11-13 12:18, Marc Gemis wrote :

Can someone please tell me how I can properly tag this 
POI http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/237662466 ?


It's a shop located in the Pierstraat in Reet. The building has an 
addr:street tag and is part of an associatedStreet relation. However 
Nominatim (and openlinkmap) places it in the Pierstraat - 
Matenstraat. Do a look-up for Vero Golf on osm.org http://osm.org


Would anyone mind so little? ;-)

Brussels: Village Boundary Brussels, Ville de Bruxelles, 
Brussels-Capital, French Community, Brussels-Capital Region, 
1000;1040, Belgium 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=4.33549880981445minlat=50.7964057922363maxlon=4.40201187133789maxlat=50.8904113769531


Nominatim locates that village in the French Community !!!
And nobody seems to care !!!



...
Territorialité des langues

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communaut%C3%A9s_de_Belgique#Territorialit.C3.A9_des_langues

La Constitution belge a prévu, en son article 4 
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_4_de_la_Constitution_belge, 
quatre régions linguistiques 
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9gions_linguistiques_de_Belgique : 
la région de langue néerlandaise, la région de Bruxelles-Capitale 
(bilingue français-néerlandais), la région de langue française et la 
région de langue allemande (la plupart des communes des Cantons de 
l'Est 
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantons_de_l%27Est_%28Belgique%29). 
Ces quatre zones délimitent les territoires où chaque langue est la 
langue officielle, avec en plus trente communes situées près des 
frontières linguistiques où des minorités historiques bénéficient de 
facilités linguistiques 
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facilit%C3%A9s_linguistiques.


Les Communautés ne représentent donc pas directement l'ensemble des 
personnes parlant une des langues officielles, mais les habitants des 
différentes régions linguistiques.





  Gemeenschap (België)
  https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemeenschap_%28Belgi%C3%AB%29

Een gemeenschap is een persoonsgebonden overheid in België 
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgi%C3%AB.


...

Alle Belgen vallen onder een van de volgende drie taalgemeenschappen ...

...


Brussel

Brussel is officieel tweetalig, behorend tot zowel de Vlaamse en 
Franse gemeenschap...




The issue seems clear to me, especially in French.
We have 3 kinds of persons according to the official language they 
speak, but we have 4 territories one of which is bilingual in the 
sense that their people can choose between two languages. behorend 
tot zowel is ambiguous: it should made clear that it speaks of the 
persons and not the territories.
But that's obvious. A territory cannot be inside 2 disjoint 
territories, and that's the problem...
As OSM is obviously drawing territories, the communities do not fit in 
relations, these must contain territories


As nobody cares, as I am presently involved in Brussels modifications, 
and as I know boundaries well, I can do that:

- add a 4th territory aka community for Brussels.
The only problem is how to name it.
The three territories are called:

Flemish Community, Communauté flamande, Vlaamse Gemeenschap, Flämische 
Gemeinschaft
French Community, Communauté française, Franse Gemeenschap, 
Französische Gemeinschaft
German-speaking Community, Communauté germanophone, Duitstalige 
Gemeenschap, Deutschsprachige Gemeinschaft


They should normally not be called territories, but I'm not going to 
start a misunderstood revolution.

Brussels' Community? Bilingual Community?

I know this is a complex street that starts as Pierstraat in 
Reet/Rumst in the east ,...


I know it's a complex country that starts as Pierstraat in the west, 
... :-)


Cheers,
Cordialement,

André.




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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Brussels

2013-11-13 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 13 November 2013 16:27:11 André Pirard wrote:
 The issue seems clear to me, especially in French.
 We have 3 kinds of persons according to the official language they
 speak, but we have *4 territories* one of which is bilingual in the
 sense that their people can choose between two languages. behorend tot
 zowel is ambiguous: it should made clear that it speaks of the persons
 and not the territories.
 But that's obvious. A territory cannot be inside 2 disjoint territories,
 and that's the problem...
 As OSM is obviously drawing territories, the communities do not fit in
 relations, these must contain territories
 
 As nobody cares, as I am presently involved in Brussels modifications,
 and as I know boundaries well, I can do that:
 - add a 4th territory aka community for Brussels.

Please don't make up names. There's no Brussels community so don't invent one. 
The one thing I now agree with is getting the communities out of the 
administrative boundaries, if only to please software that gets its mind blown 
when it belongs to two entities of the same kind at once.

But that seems to have happened anyway already, see 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/78967 . You just have to wait 
until nominatim has updated its database.

Greetings,
Ben


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Brussels

2013-11-13 Thread Marc Gemis
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 2013-11-13 12:18, Marc Gemis wrote :

 Can someone please tell me how I can properly tag this POI
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/237662466 ?

  It's a shop located in the Pierstraat in Reet. The building has an
 addr:street tag and is part of an associatedStreet relation. However
 Nominatim (and openlinkmap) places it in the Pierstraat - Matenstraat. Do a
 look-up for Vero Golf on osm.org

 Would anyone mind so little? ;-)


Because I promised to write some guidelines for the import of AGIV
addresses, I want to know what I should write. I also think my problem is
more common than yours. By this I mean that it show be obvious to any
mapper to tag a POI so that it's address is returned correctly.

Maybe Belgium is unique regarding its administrative borders. Although
the Germans also have problems with cities such as Hamburg, because it
misses an administrative layer (see talk mailing list of the past 2 weeks).
And in India they have a problem with their country borders

All those problems are important to a group of people, but they are all
exceptions to the general rules. So maybe we should just take up all those
complaints with the Nominatim developers, because they might not be aware
of all those exceptions.

m

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Brussels

2013-11-13 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 06:12:30PM +0100, Marc Gemis wrote:
 All those problems are important to a group of people, but they are all
 exceptions to the general rules. So maybe we should just take up all those
 complaints with the Nominatim developers, because they might not be aware
 of all those exceptions.

There are already various bugs open with no reaction.  It's not
because nominatim gets it wrong that we should change something.


Kurt


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS for OSM using EPSG:31370 (Lambert 72)

2013-11-13 Thread julien
 

As far as I understand, the main usage of tiles projeted in
Lambert72 or Lambert 2008 is to be mixed with data from AGIV or Walloon
Regio, which doesn't support 900913 (nor 3857) in their WMS services. We
are developping an app today and this is a problem to mix information
from Walloon Regio and OSM because the need of projectio. 

QGIS user
doesn't need this, but they are advanced user. We target people who are
not GIS user there. 

Right ? 

Julien 

Le 2013-11-12 19:14, Ben
Abelshausen a écrit : 

 Hi Kurt,
 
 Yes there are always better
technical solutions. The idea is to make is easy as possible for data
consumers to use our maps, preferably as easy as other competing
sources.
 
 Having this already setup supporting the correct
projection(s) would be a good thing not just for QGIS but other
applications are more demanding. In my specific example OpenLayers is
used and it is impossible (or hard) to combine layers with different
projections. 
 No idea why they stay with the old system, probably
because it would require rewriting some things switching now.
 

Regards,
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS for OSM using EPSG:31370 (Lambert 72)

2013-11-13 Thread Ben Abelshausen
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:35 PM, jul...@fastre.info wrote:

 QGIS user doesn't need this, but they are advanced user. We target people
 who are not GIS user there.

 Right ?


Exactly, still working on this at the moment.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
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[OSM-talk-be] Philippines disaster

2013-11-13 Thread Johan C
Hi

at http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/350 post disaster satellite imagery has been
made available for mapping Tacloban, one of the heaviest hit cities in the
Philippines. Your help mapping there is welcome (JOSM experience needed,
and please carefully follow the instructions). OSM based maps are being
used by (at least) the American Red Cross which means that your mapping
might save lives. More info can be found here:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2013-November/068573.html
When task 350 is completed other tasks are available at
http://tasks.hotosm.org

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Brussels

2013-11-13 Thread Marc Gemis
I'll agree with that, if it's correctly tagged, we should not change it.
But how do we know that it is tagged correctly, if there is no place to see
it in action?

m


On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be wrote:

 On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 06:12:30PM +0100, Marc Gemis wrote:
  All those problems are important to a group of people, but they are all
  exceptions to the general rules. So maybe we should just take up all
 those
  complaints with the Nominatim developers, because they might not be aware
  of all those exceptions.

 There are already various bugs open with no reaction.  It's not
 because nominatim gets it wrong that we should change something.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-11-13 Thread André Riedel
You will find links to wiki and help.osm.org via the Link help on
the top. But in my opinion it is too complicated to click twice.
The other way arround why do we need an Export button at such a
prominent position? If we really need this it should be moved to the
export/share sidebar.
The Link to the welcome page could be moved to the welcome window, too.

André



2013/11/13 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr:
 No more links to:
 - the wiki
 - the copyright/licence stuff
 - help.osm.org

 What about translations ?



 2013/11/13 Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com

 Forwarding to mailing list.

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: christian.pietzsch
 Date: Tuesday, 12 November 2013
 Subject: Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website
 To: RobJN


 Hi
 Thanks everyone for their great work. I like the new design. Lot of space
 for the map itself, clearly structured overall very modern.
 There is just one thing I always wanted to have at OSM.org. If you search
 for a town the boundary should be highlighted (like in Wikipedia [maybe
 without filling])
 One thing I noticed is that on wider screens (24) at the sub pages (like
 about/...) the text and information is only displayed in the middle (huge
 gray areas to the left and right) Especially the user diaries could be
 stretched over the whole screen.
 One more thing...is there going to be a zoom to my location feature?
 (Maybe this has been discussed before and abandoned because of privacy
 concerns...sry if I missed it)
 The test page is only available in English isn't it? Do you still need
 people to translate it?

 Regards Christian (Hedaja)
 Ps.: I had to smile when I saw the sign up page xD




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Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-11-13 Thread Ed Loach
Christian Quest wrote:

 No more links to:
 - the wiki
 - the copyright/licence stuff
 - help.osm.org

André has already mentioned two of these, and the copyright/licence
page is linked both from the attribution on the map and from the
About page.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-11-13 Thread Simone Cortesi
Exporting capabilities is that makes OSM stand out. this is what we
do: we provide data for anyone for every use. It is important to keep
the export tab prominent.

Me too, I dont like the fact documentation links did disappear from
the home page. cant we have a drop down menu with links to the wiki?

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:09 AM, André Riedel riedel.an...@gmail.com wrote:
 You will find links to wiki and help.osm.org via the Link help on
 the top. But in my opinion it is too complicated to click twice.
 The other way arround why do we need an Export button at such a
 prominent position? If we really need this it should be moved to the
 export/share sidebar.
 The Link to the welcome page could be moved to the welcome window, too.

 André



 2013/11/13 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr:
 No more links to:
 - the wiki
 - the copyright/licence stuff
 - help.osm.org

 What about translations ?



 2013/11/13 Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com

 Forwarding to mailing list.

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: christian.pietzsch
 Date: Tuesday, 12 November 2013
 Subject: Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website
 To: RobJN


 Hi
 Thanks everyone for their great work. I like the new design. Lot of space
 for the map itself, clearly structured overall very modern.
 There is just one thing I always wanted to have at OSM.org. If you search
 for a town the boundary should be highlighted (like in Wikipedia [maybe
 without filling])
 One thing I noticed is that on wider screens (24) at the sub pages (like
 about/...) the text and information is only displayed in the middle (huge
 gray areas to the left and right) Especially the user diaries could be
 stretched over the whole screen.
 One more thing...is there going to be a zoom to my location feature?
 (Maybe this has been discussed before and abandoned because of privacy
 concerns...sry if I missed it)
 The test page is only available in English isn't it? Do you still need
 people to translate it?

 Regards Christian (Hedaja)
 Ps.: I had to smile when I saw the sign up page xD




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Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-11-13 Thread André Riedel
How often is it used? In my opinion newbies think you could export a
vector image. Then they find out it is only a xml file with (for the
first moment) useless content. I would calll me a long time
contributor and never had the need of an xml-export at the front page.

If we want to promote this, we need a description page with links to
the planet file, country excerpts, small exports (from the osm-server)
and to larger exports via the overpass API or overpass turbo page.

André

2013/11/13 Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com:
 Exporting capabilities is that makes OSM stand out. this is what we
 do: we provide data for anyone for every use. It is important to keep
 the export tab prominent.

 Me too, I dont like the fact documentation links did disappear from
 the home page. cant we have a drop down menu with links to the wiki?

 On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:09 AM, André Riedel riedel.an...@gmail.com wrote:
 You will find links to wiki and help.osm.org via the Link help on
 the top. But in my opinion it is too complicated to click twice.
 The other way arround why do we need an Export button at such a
 prominent position? If we really need this it should be moved to the
 export/share sidebar.
 The Link to the welcome page could be moved to the welcome window, too.

 André



 2013/11/13 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr:
 No more links to:
 - the wiki
 - the copyright/licence stuff
 - help.osm.org

 What about translations ?



 2013/11/13 Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com

 Forwarding to mailing list.

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 From: christian.pietzsch
 Date: Tuesday, 12 November 2013
 Subject: Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website
 To: RobJN


 Hi
 Thanks everyone for their great work. I like the new design. Lot of space
 for the map itself, clearly structured overall very modern.
 There is just one thing I always wanted to have at OSM.org. If you search
 for a town the boundary should be highlighted (like in Wikipedia [maybe
 without filling])
 One thing I noticed is that on wider screens (24) at the sub pages (like
 about/...) the text and information is only displayed in the middle (huge
 gray areas to the left and right) Especially the user diaries could be
 stretched over the whole screen.
 One more thing...is there going to be a zoom to my location feature?
 (Maybe this has been discussed before and abandoned because of privacy
 concerns...sry if I missed it)
 The test page is only available in English isn't it? Do you still need
 people to translate it?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-11-13 Thread Simone Cortesi
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:52 AM, André Riedel riedel.an...@gmail.com wrote:
 If we want to promote this, we need a description page with links to
 the planet file, country excerpts, small exports (from the osm-server)
 and to larger exports via the overpass API or overpass turbo page.

good idea. instead of the export, a page that tells people that they
can export the data, and not just have the tiles images.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-11-13 Thread Pieren
Pros:
- the layers tab is smaller vertically. It could be even better by
taking off the other maps samples which are unnecessarily overloading
the other tiles servers each time someone opens this tab.
- looks more modern

Cons:
- text attributs for the top menus. Fonts are very thin and colours
very light, almost transparent. This will be a problem when the site
is used in bad conditions (outdoor, sun, small devices) or by visual
impaired.
- you have two links (About and Learn More) jumping to the same page.

In general:
- I fully agree that the link to the documentation and licence are
essential to the main page. It is not just yet another slippy map
with different styles. We have to figure out that the licence terms
are explained in the small map link © OpenStreetMap contributors or
through the About page. How can we explain that the major difference
between OSM and Google Maps is its licence (e.g.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_Map_Maker) ?
- in the past, one part of the community said that the slippy map and
its default style should be less prominent or even hidden somewhere
behind the front page because OSM is mainly a database, not a slippy
map project and what is shown is just partial or may lead to tag for
the renderers. I did not agree on that. I found the previous
situation where the map was on the main page but no so prominent was a
good compromise, especially when we see this page as a call for new
contributors. But now this trend to put the default slippy map (which
is far from perfect) as the major feature of the project is imho a
mistake. Improve a bit the default rendered style, add a routing
feature and the home page will be the open version of Google Maps
services. Is it the final goal of the website ?
- the About first sentence is very urban-centric : OSM is built by
a community of local mappers that keeps data about roads, cafés,
subway stations, and much more up to date every day. . First, many
areas in OSM are just empty. It's even not the question to keep data
up-to-date like it is in most of the urban cities in OSM but just
create data. Second, I'm happy to see that our first example for
maintaining data up-to-date are for roads, cafés and ... subway
stations.
- the community driven section is talking about engineers and HOT
team but the average contributor, you know the one who is not an
engineer neither a remote armchair mapper in Africa or Asia, is not
mentionned even though it is the main part of the community.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-11-13 Thread Peter Barth
Hi,

Rob Nickerson schrieb:
 Please take a minute or two to give it a try – both positive feedback and
 constructive criticism is welcomed.

overall I like the new design. It's cleaner and I have more visible map.
However, I also have some smaller notes (and bugs?!).

* After search I get the search results. Clicking on a result makes the
  results disappear (however, a white empty stripe stays) and the map
  does not jump to the city I searched

* When I move and zoom the map I occasionally get a Loading...-text in
  the textbox, which makes the Welcome...-text bounce up and down.
  This is annoying.

* The color/design of login/signup-buttons is too light so that it looks
  like they're deactivated. I'd like to have them darker.

* Imho there should be a way to remove the Welcome-textbox, too. (Didn't
  check if it vanishes for registered users)

* History mostly always gives No changesets in this area for areas
  smaller than whole europe

Regards,
Peda

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Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-11-13 Thread rainerU
The text OpenStreetMap is a free and editable map of the world maintained by an
active community of contributors. has always been on the main page and has
never been correct because it repeats one of the main misunderstandings about
OSM. Now that this text is the only one on the front page it is time to fix
this: OSM is not a map but a database.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-11-13 Thread Christian Quest
What is the goal of the redesign ?

Get new active contributors ?
Get new users ?

Moving the wiki/help/license link away makes me feel we're moving slowly to
the second choice which does not look to me as a good idea.

I'm expecting the OSM front page to clearly explain that anybody can
contribute to the map by improving the data yourself and that all the
project is a open project (I dont like the free map, it looks too much as
free beer).

On the positive side, the new graphical design is really a great
improvement, except the not enough contrasted texts (+1 with Pieren about
visually impaired people or outdoor situations).



2013/11/13 Ed Loach edlo...@gmail.com

 Christian Quest wrote:

  No more links to:
  - the wiki
  - the copyright/licence stuff
  - help.osm.org

 André has already mentioned two of these, and the copyright/licence
 page is linked both from the attribution on the map and from the
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Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-11-13 Thread Christian Quest
+1 !

When I present OSM to local authorities, I usually start with a joke... in
OpenStreetMap only one word is right: open

street ? whe're not doing only street mapping

map ? we're not only making maps


Changing OSM's name is way too late, but at least we should have a clear
statement about not only streets and not only map(s)...




2013/11/13 rainerU ra...@sfr.fr

 The text OpenStreetMap is a free and editable map of the world maintained
 by an
 active community of contributors. has always been on the main page and has
 never been correct because it repeats one of the main misunderstandings
 about
 OSM. Now that this text is the only one on the front page it is time to fix
 this: OSM is not a map but a database.

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[OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-11-13 Thread marekskleciak
+1. The same reasons.
I woluls suggest adding of helpful links with the collection like:
wheelmap.org
openfiremap.org
opensciencemap.org

Best,
Marek
Dnia 13 listopada 2013 12:15 Christian Quest lt;cqu...@openstreetmap.frgt; 
napisał(a):
+1 ! When I present OSM to local authorities, I usually start with a joke... in 
OpenStreetMap only one word is right: open street ? whe're not doing only 
street mapping map ? we're not only making maps  Changing OSM's name is way too 
late, but at least we should have a clear statement about not only streets and 
not only map(s)...  
2013/11/13 rainerU lt;ra...@sfr.frgt;
The text OpenStreetMap is a free and editable map of the world maintained by an
active community of contributors. has always been on the main page and has
never been correct because it repeats one of the main misunderstandings about
OSM. Now that this text is the only one on the front page it is time to fix
this: OSM is not a map but a database.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-11-13 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Peter Barth osm-t...@won2.de wrote:

 * History mostly always gives No changesets in this area for areas
   smaller than whole europe


This is because the test website uses a completely separate database from
the main OSM website, except for Nominatim search results and the tiles. So
there is no changeset almost everywhere.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-11-13 Thread Daniel Westergren
As a rather new user I welcome a modernized start page, as well as better
ways of introducing new users. I avoided OSM for long, although being a
map-interested geek, due to a site looking out-dated and too steep learning
curve not really knowing where to start.

Rather than saying it's a database (even Google Maps is a database,
presented as a map, although more or less homogenous), maybe add something
to describe that there is not ONE map, but the data can be used to produce
any kind of map-related data and render maps for different purposes. Refer
to the imagination of the visitor.

Or why not use the description on the About page: *OpenStreetMap powers
map data on hundreds of web sites, mobile apps, and hardware devices*?

I agree with others about importance to consult sight-impaired users,
removing urban-centred references like subway stations, keeping data
up-to-date not being the main agenda, export needing explanation and that a
Help link should be more prominent (put it where Export is now and put
Export where the Help is now, as Export is not something most people would
know how to use anyway).

/Daniel


2013/11/13 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com

 On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Peter Barth osm-t...@won2.de wrote:

 * History mostly always gives No changesets in this area for areas
   smaller than whole europe


 This is because the test website uses a completely separate database from
 the main OSM website, except for Nominatim search results and the tiles. So
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Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-11-13 Thread Kathleen Danielson
Personally, I want to congratulate and thank everyone who has put countless
hours into this redesign over the last few months. This is a significant
improvement over our current homepage and helps with the very serious issue
that OSM simply looked *dated*. This is a beautiful, usable site, which is
important not just for aesthetics, but also because of the competence it
communicates. In addition, it's quite lovely on a mobile browser, which was
a pleasant surprise!

Great work, everyone. I (we!) really appreciate the work you've done!

Cheers,
Kathleen




On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:55 AM, Daniel Westergren wes...@gmail.com wrote:

 As a rather new user I welcome a modernized start page, as well as better
 ways of introducing new users. I avoided OSM for long, although being a
 map-interested geek, due to a site looking out-dated and too steep learning
 curve not really knowing where to start.

 Rather than saying it's a database (even Google Maps is a database,
 presented as a map, although more or less homogenous), maybe add something
 to describe that there is not ONE map, but the data can be used to produce
 any kind of map-related data and render maps for different purposes. Refer
 to the imagination of the visitor.

 Or why not use the description on the About page: *OpenStreetMap powers
 map data on hundreds of web sites, mobile apps, and hardware devices*?

 I agree with others about importance to consult sight-impaired users,
 removing urban-centred references like subway stations, keeping data
 up-to-date not being the main agenda, export needing explanation and that a
 Help link should be more prominent (put it where Export is now and put
 Export where the Help is now, as Export is not something most people would
 know how to use anyway).

 /Daniel


 2013/11/13 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com

 On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Peter Barth osm-t...@won2.de wrote:

 * History mostly always gives No changesets in this area for areas
   smaller than whole europe


 This is because the test website uses a completely separate database from
 the main OSM website, except for Nominatim search results and the tiles. So
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[OSM-talk] Typhoon Haiyan and OpenStreetMap

2013-11-13 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Hello everyone,

The online response to mapping the areas affected by Typhoon Haiyan is very
heartwarming. Thank you to everyone involved. Please do continue to map as
the data is being used by first responders and relief workers.

Most of the information about mapping efforts can be found on the OSM Wiki:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Typhoon_Haiyan

Here are some choice highlights:

1. HOT's OSM Tasking Manager: http://tasks.hotosm.org/
- This is where most of the mapping efforts are coordinated. There are
currently 13 tasks that you can participate in. Almost all tasks are for
tracing buildings and roads using available Bing satellite imagery. One is
for assessing damage using post-typhoon imagery.

2. The Atlantic - How Online Mapmakers Are Helping the Red Cross Save
Lives in the Philippines:
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/11/how-online-mapmakers-are-helping-the-red-cross-save-lives-in-the-philippines/281366/
- Feature article explaining how the map data in OSM can help the
(American) Red Cross in directing relief effort where it is needed most

3. Changesets map by Pascal Neis:
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-typhoon-haiyan-2013/#7/11.502/122.805
- Hourly updated map showing the locations of half of the 8000+ changesets
in the affected areas. These changesets were done by 600+ mappers and
contain almost 1.3 million changes (versions) to objects.

4. Before and after map:
http://pierzen.dev.openstreetmap.org/hot/leaflet/OSM-Compare-before-after-philippines.html
- Side-by-side map comparing rendered OSM data from before the typhoon to
the current OSM tiles

5. Areal damage overview map of Tacloban:
http://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/americanredcross.map-ms6tihx6/page.html#14/11.2189/125.0116
- Map by the American Red Cross showing areas damaged in Tacloban. The
buildings come from OSM. This map has been used by The New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/11/11/world/asia/typhoon-haiyan-map.html?_r=1;

Thanks!
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Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-11-13 Thread Robert Kaiser

Rob Nickerson schrieb:

Today the updated design for the main OpenStreetMap.org website is nearly
ready to be rolled out. You can view a demo at
redesign.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org


First of all, the new design looks really nice. And there's a way to get 
to the search function on a mobile device now! \o/


But I have two points I don't like that much:
1) The Box underneath the search is a distraction once I start looking 
around on the map, please provide a way to collapse it.
2) One of my main reasons to call up the OSM site is often to get to the 
wiki, can it be made more swiftly available? It could even be behind a 
Hamburger button like the search etc. is on mobile (just not requiring 
another page load).


Thanks for all the work!

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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Hoe restaurants vast te leggen die eten bezorgen in opdracht van Thuisbezorgd.nl ?

2013-11-13 Thread Marc Gemis
Ik ben niet echt voorstander om zulke verzamelingen te gaan mappen in
OSM. Je brengt ook niet all tankstations van merk X onder in 1 relatie.
Maar als je toch op dit pad wil verder gaan, gebruik dan misschien een
relatie type=collection. (Zie taginfo:
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/relations ) Er is wel geen wiki
documentatie.

met vriendelijke groeten

m


Beste OpenStreetMappers,

 Sinds vorige week neemt Thuisbezorgd.nl betalingen in Bitcoins aan. Mijn
 vraag is nu hoe dit vast te leggen in OpenStreetMap? De zaken waar
 Thuisbezorgd.nl mee samen werkt nemen namelijk, tot zo ver bekend, zelf
 geen Bitcoins aan.

 Wanneer een zaak wel Bitcoins aanneemt, leg ik dat vast met sleutel
 payment:Bitcoin yes.

 Het lijkt mij dat je een restaurant welke samenwerkt met Thuisbezorgd.nl
 onderdeel zou moeten maken van de relatie of superrelatie genaamd
 Thuisbezorgd.nl. En dat deze (super)relatie dan als eigenschap zou
 moeten hebben dat deze Bitcoin aanneemt.

 Wanneer ik een relatie aanmaak, kan ik kiezen uit:
 Route
 Boundary
 Restriction
 Multipolygon
 relation

 Dan maak ik een relation aan, maar die lijkt dan als hoofdeigenschap
 het desbetreffende restaurant te hebben. Terwijl dat dan dus
 Thuisbezorgd.nl zou moeten zijn. Hier loop ik dus vast.

 Iemand anders oplossingen hiervoor?

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[OSM-talk-nl] relaties downloaden als gps probleem

2013-11-13 Thread Patrick Coenen
Iemand die me kan helpen met het volgende:
Ik heb vooral MTB routes als relatie opgevoerd. Via 
http://mtb.waymarkedtrails.com zijn die te bekijken en er is ook een gpx 
download mogelijk, ook als je de relatie in de OSM wiki opzoekt. Maar waarom is 
die track dan helemaal 'gehusselt'? 10 trackdelen en allemaal door elkaar aan 
mekaar vastgeplakt. (voorbeeld, probeer maar uit)Hoe moet ik de relaties 
bewerken om een mooie bruikbare gpx export te krijgen?
groet, Patrick
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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] relaties downloaden als gps probleem

2013-11-13 Thread Piet Smits
Ik heb even naar deze relatie gekeken met de JOSM relatie editor, en zag 
dat de wegdelen daar niet netjes op volgorde staan (de editor heeft daar 
een heel mooi indicatortje voor).
Misschien dat dat ook de reden is dat de gpx export niet helemaal goed 
werkt,


groeten,
Piet
Patrick Coenen schreef op 13-11-2013 13:59:

Iemand die me kan helpen met het volgende:

Ik heb vooral MTB routes als relatie opgevoerd. Via 
http://mtb.waymarkedtrails.com 
http://mtb.waymarkedtrails.org/nl/?zoom=12lat=50.53156lon=6.81125hill=0.5route=0.5#routes 
zijn die te bekijken en er is ook een gpx download mogelijk, ook als 
je de relatie in de OSM wiki opzoekt. Maar waarom is die track dan 
helemaal 'gehusselt'? 10 trackdelen en allemaal door elkaar aan mekaar 
vastgeplakt. (voorbeeld 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/3322634, probeer maar uit)
Hoe moet ik de relaties bewerken om een mooie bruikbare gpx export te 
krijgen?


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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] relaties downloaden als gps probleem

2013-11-13 Thread Patrick Coenen
Zou het dan toch die forwards en backwards zijn? Kan ik dat in potlatch, of 
moet ik die in JOSM zetten?

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:52:46 +0100
From: pjsm...@hetnet.nl
To: talk-nl@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-nl] relaties downloaden als gps probleem


  

  
  
Ik heb even naar deze relatie gekeken met de JOSM relatie editor, en
zag dat de wegdelen daar niet netjes op volgorde staan (de editor
heeft daar een heel mooi indicatortje voor).

Misschien dat dat ook de reden is dat de gpx export niet helemaal
goed werkt,



groeten,

Piet

Patrick Coenen schreef op 13-11-2013
  13:59:



  
  Iemand die me kan helpen met het volgende:



Ik heb vooral MTB routes als relatie opgevoerd. Via 
http://mtb.waymarkedtrails.com
  zijn die te bekijken en er is ook een gpx download mogelijk,
  ook als je de relatie in de OSM wiki opzoekt. Maar waarom is
  die track dan helemaal 'gehusselt'? 10 trackdelen en allemaal
  door elkaar aan mekaar vastgeplakt. (voorbeeld,
  probeer maar uit)
Hoe moet ik de relaties bewerken om een mooie bruikbare gpx
  export te krijgen?



groet, Patrick



  
  

  
  

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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] relaties downloaden als gps probleem

2013-11-13 Thread Minko
Bekend probleem, zie ook 
http://www.wereldfietser.nl/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=3t=20201

Die relatie bestaat verder uit verschillende delen die niet aan elkaar zitten, 
zie
http://ra.osmsurround.org/analyzeRelation?relationId=3322634noCache=true_noCache=on


 Patrick Coenen schreef op 13-11-2013 13:59:
 
 
 
 Iemand die me kan helpen met het volgende:
 
 
 Ik heb vooral MTB routes als relatie opgevoerd. Via
 http://mtb.waymarkedtrails.com zijn die te bekijken en er is ook een
 gpx download mogelijk, ook als je de relatie in de OSM wiki opzoekt.
 Maar waarom is die track dan helemaal 'gehusselt'? 10 trackdelen en
 allemaal door elkaar aan mekaar vastgeplakt. ( voorbeeld , probeer
 maar uit)
 Hoe moet ik de relaties bewerken om een mooie bruikbare gpx export te
 krijgen?
 
 
 groet, Patrick


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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] relaties downloaden als gps probleem

2013-11-13 Thread Patrick Coenen
Damn! da's een mooi tooltje! ik leer iedere keer weer nieuwe dingen. thanks 
voor die link

 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:32:42 +0100
 From: ligfiet...@online.nl
 To: talk-nl@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-nl] relaties downloaden als gps probleem
 
 Bekend probleem, zie ook 
 http://www.wereldfietser.nl/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=3t=20201
 
 Die relatie bestaat verder uit verschillende delen die niet aan elkaar 
 zitten, zie
 http://ra.osmsurround.org/analyzeRelation?relationId=3322634noCache=true_noCache=on
 
 
  Patrick Coenen schreef op 13-11-2013 13:59:
  
  
  
  Iemand die me kan helpen met het volgende:
  
  
  Ik heb vooral MTB routes als relatie opgevoerd. Via
  http://mtb.waymarkedtrails.com zijn die te bekijken en er is ook een
  gpx download mogelijk, ook als je de relatie in de OSM wiki opzoekt.
  Maar waarom is die track dan helemaal 'gehusselt'? 10 trackdelen en
  allemaal door elkaar aan mekaar vastgeplakt. ( voorbeeld , probeer
  maar uit)
  Hoe moet ik de relaties bewerken om een mooie bruikbare gpx export te
  krijgen?
  
  
  groet, Patrick
 
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] relaties downloaden als gps probleem

2013-11-13 Thread Minko
Kan je ook in Potlatch herstellen. Kijk vooral naar de gaten in het netwerk, 
zie http://ra.osmsurround.org/analyzeMap?relationId=3322634 (blauwe pois)

 Zou het dan toch die forwards en backwards zijn? Kan ik dat in
 potlatch, of moet ik die in JOSM zetten?

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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] relaties downloaden als gps probleem

2013-11-13 Thread nouwsfam
 

Ben ook op het probleem gestuit:
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=21324 

Is al weer een poosje terug. In de tussentijd heb ik inderdaad een
algoritme bedacht en uitgewerkt in Javascript dat het een beetje beter
doet dan Waymarked Trails. Het is niet zo moeilijk om ways om te keren
en aan elkaar te knopen. Maar als er gaten zijn, of fouten, dan kan het
algoritme dit niet oplossen. Het gaat bijvoorbeeld fout op rotondes. Ik
denk dat iemand die echt goed is in de materie en in javascript daar wel
iets voor kan bedenken. Als jullie geïnteresseerd zijn in mijn
oplossing, kan ik de code online zetten. Het is wel enigszins complex. 

Minko schreef op 2013-11-13 15:38: 

 Kan je ook in Potlatch herstellen. Kijk vooral naar de gaten in het netwerk, 
 zie http://ra.osmsurround.org/analyzeMap?relationId=3322634 [1](blauwe pois)
 
 Zou het dan toch die forwards en backwards zijn? Kan ik dat in potlatch, of 
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[talk-au] Geoscience NATMAP 250K Topo Maps

2013-11-13 Thread Andrew Harvey
Just a heads up that GA have a tile service for their NATMAP 250K Topo Maps.

So if you add this to JOSM/etc you can use this as a base layer to
derive information from.

http://www.ga.gov.au/gisimg/rest/services/topography/NATMAP_Digital_Maps_250K_2008Ed
   ition_WM/MapServer/tile/{zoom}/{y}/{x}

The map is CC BY 3.0 AU as per
http://www.ga.gov.au/topographic-mapping/digital-topographic-maps/using-attributing-products.html

However as per the contributor terms I don't believe OSM allows one to
derive information from CC BY works and include this in OSM
(https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/624/can-i-use-or-trace-from-cc-by-data-under-the-new-contributor-terms
but) and attach the attribution to the feature as per the usual
methods, unless you requst some kind of special license above and
beyond what GA already grant via the CC license.

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Re: [talk-au] Geoscience NATMAP 250K Topo Maps

2013-11-13 Thread David Bannon
Interesting Andrew. Do you know much about this service ?

I have been trying to display it in FoxtrotGPS which normally uses OSM
or Google tiles. But I find two puzzling things -

1. While I request png files I seem to get JPEG

2. Their Y and X number system seems to be miles away from where I'd
expect it to be. I need to browse to somewhere in Antarctica, south of
Africa before I could get any (Aussie) tiles back.  I used to understand
the numbering system, sigh, better get my old notes out..

Anyway, Foxtrot is quite confused, does display tiles but somehow in the
wrong order, interesting !

David

David 

On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 19:13 +1100, Andrew Harvey wrote:
 Just a heads up that GA have a tile service for their NATMAP 250K Topo Maps.
 
 So if you add this to JOSM/etc you can use this as a base layer to
 derive information from.
 
 http://www.ga.gov.au/gisimg/rest/services/topography/NATMAP_Digital_Maps_250K_2008Ed
ition_WM/MapServer/tile/{zoom}/{y}/{x}
 
 The map is CC BY 3.0 AU as per
 http://www.ga.gov.au/topographic-mapping/digital-topographic-maps/using-attributing-products.html
 
 However as per the contributor terms I don't believe OSM allows one to
 derive information from CC BY works and include this in OSM
 (https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/624/can-i-use-or-trace-from-cc-by-data-under-the-new-contributor-terms
 but) and attach the attribution to the feature as per the usual
 methods, unless you requst some kind of special license above and
 beyond what GA already grant via the CC license.
 
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Re: [talk-au] Geoscience NATMAP 250K Topo Maps

2013-11-13 Thread Andrew Harvey
On 13 November 2013 22:01, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote:
 Interesting Andrew. Do you know much about this service ?

I know that they also publish the original ECW files, which I
originally converted to JPEG and hosted on my own server as a service
which converted these into web map tiles, until I found that GA
already have such a service!

GA are using ArcGIS Server to serve the tiles, but they do conform to
the same specification as OSM tiles.

 1. While I request png files I seem to get JPEG

I don't think they serve PNG files, only JPEG.

 2. Their Y and X number system seems to be miles away from where I'd
 expect it to be. I need to browse to somewhere in Antarctica, south of
 Africa before I could get any (Aussie) tiles back.  I used to understand
 the numbering system, sigh, better get my old notes out..

 Anyway, Foxtrot is quite confused, does display tiles but somehow in the
 wrong order, interesting !

Make sure you are using z/y/x and NOT z/x/y (so it is different to OSM
tiles) otherwise it will look like one of those puzzles.

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Re: [talk-au] Geoscience NATMAP 250K Topo Maps

2013-11-13 Thread David Bannon
Ah, z/y/x ? that makes sense. FoxtrotGPS does not do z/y/x.  Just what
I'd expect from GA, worked with them indirectly some time ago. Another
life.

I also played with pulling png tiles out of the GA ECW maps but gave up
dealing with their website, they made endless changes that broke firefox
each time. Got sick of explaining to their tech (??) people that I found
it difficult to run Internet Explorer under linux. (So even then they
were not keen on open standards !)

Then the license holder withdrew the ecw plugin for GDAL...

Anyway, this new GA tile server still sounds cool, will have to look
into what can be done.

Thanks for your help.

David


On Wed, 2013-11-13 at 22:20 +1100, Andrew Harvey wrote:
 On 13 November 2013 22:01, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote:
  Interesting Andrew. Do you know much about this service ?
 
 I know that they also publish the original ECW files, which I
 originally converted to JPEG and hosted on my own server as a service
 which converted these into web map tiles, until I found that GA
 already have such a service!
 
 GA are using ArcGIS Server to serve the tiles, but they do conform to
 the same specification as OSM tiles.
 
  1. While I request png files I seem to get JPEG
 
 I don't think they serve PNG files, only JPEG.
 
  2. Their Y and X number system seems to be miles away from where I'd
  expect it to be. I need to browse to somewhere in Antarctica, south of
  Africa before I could get any (Aussie) tiles back.  I used to understand
  the numbering system, sigh, better get my old notes out..
 
  Anyway, Foxtrot is quite confused, does display tiles but somehow in the
  wrong order, interesting !
 
 Make sure you are using z/y/x and NOT z/x/y (so it is different to OSM
 tiles) otherwise it will look like one of those puzzles.



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Re: [talk-au] Geoscience NATMAP 250K Topo Maps

2013-11-13 Thread Paul Norman
 From: David Bannon [mailto:dban...@internode.on.net]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 2:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [talk-au] Geoscience NATMAP 250K Topo Maps
 
 Then the license holder withdrew the ecw plugin for GDAL...

There's still an ECW plugin for GDAL. It requires the third-party
SDK and you'll have to compile gdal yourself, which is annoying. Creating
ECW files is what takes purchasing a license. If there's ECW files
where it would be beneficial to host them, I could do or someone else 
could.

We'd have to get confirmation that data source was happy with attribution 
in accordance with ODbL sections 4.2 and 4.3 which are keep intact any 
copyright or Database Right notices or a notice associated with the 
Produced Work reasonably calculated to make any Person that uses, views, 
accesses, interacts with, or is otherwise exposed to the Produced Work 
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[Talk-br] Fwd: Porto Alegre lançou portal de open data

2013-11-13 Thread Fernando Trebien
Para os interessados da região de Porto Alegre, o novo portal de open data
do município tem diversas informações que podem ser importadas no OSM.

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Date: 2013/11/13
Subject: [Talk-br] Porto Alegre lançou portal de open data
To: OSM talk-br talk-br@openstreetmap.org


A cidade de Porto Alegre lançou hoje um beta do portal de open data do
município:

http://datapoa.com.br/



Atenciosamente,

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[Talk-br] Mapas turísticos baseados no OSM

2013-11-13 Thread Edil Queiroz de Araujo
Que legal esse 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Use-it/Map_of_Copenhagen_for_Young_Travellers,
gostei do manual.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Use-it/Map_of_Copenhagen_for_Young_Travellers

Uso o Inkscape e tava com a ideia de usar um processo parecido, mas
manualmente... gostei dessa ideia, é bem isso - a intenção é fazer algo do
tipo. Muito legal esse trabalho.


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Re: [Talk-br] Mapas turísticos baseados no OSM

2013-11-13 Thread Gerald Weber
Achei legal demais também, até já gerei um mapa da UFMG seguindo o roteiro.

No exemplo usa o osmarender, mas na página do projeto diz que o
desenvolvimento do osmarender parou. Alguém sabe qual seria o aplicativo
mais recomendado no lugar do osmarender? Às vezes a wiki do OSM parece um
cemitério de projetos abandonados :(

abraço

Gerald


2013/11/13 Edil Queiroz de Araujo edil...@gmail.com

 Que legal esse 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Use-it/Map_of_Copenhagen_for_Young_Travellers,
 gostei do manual.
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Use-it/Map_of_Copenhagen_for_Young_Travellers

 Uso o Inkscape e tava com a ideia de usar um processo parecido, mas
 manualmente... gostei dessa ideia, é bem isso - a intenção é fazer algo do
 tipo. Muito legal esse trabalho.


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[Talk-br] Mapas turísticos baseados no OSM

2013-11-13 Thread Tácio Fernandes
Eu uso Mapnik, ele está ativo e tem muita gente usando.

http://mapnik.org/
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapnik
https://github.com/mapnik/mapnik

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Re: [Talk-br] Fwd: Porto Alegre lançou portal de open data

2013-11-13 Thread Augusto Stoffel
Aqui vai uma pergunta: em princípio dados disponibilizados sob a licença
CC-BY ou coisa moralmente similar só devem ser importados depois de
termos certeza que as possibilidades um pouco limitadas do OSM de fazer
a atribuição de autoria são considerados suficientes pelo autor dos dados.

Neste caso do datapoa, em que a licença é ODbL, estamos na mesma
situação, não estamos?  Ou existe algum detalhe tecnico que diferencia o
caso CC-BY do caso ODbL?

Abrindo um parêntesis, a prefeitura de Porto Alegre encomentou um
aerolevantamento da cidade recentemente.  Eu descobri que eles estão
estudando disponibilizá-lo de forma restrita, talvez mediante pagamento.
 Tem gente na prefeitura que entende que o aerolevantamento não é uma
informação que possa ser obtida via Lei de Acesso à Informação.  Esse
ponto de vista está certamente equivocado (se procurares a LAI, ela
define informação de forma bem ampla).  Se alguém estiver interessado
em brincar de gladiador legal, eu tenho uma sugestão: solicitar todos os
dados do aerolevantamento à prefeitura; se eles negarem sob esse
argumento de que não é informação, tem-se um ótimo contra-arugmento para
usar em um recurso.  Eles poderiam negar o acesso sob outras alegações,
tipo segredo industrial ou segurança; para esses casos também não seria
difícil contra-argumentar.  Posso repassar uns documentos que obtive
sobre o tema se alguém tiver interesse.

Outra coisa que legal de tentar obter da prefeitura seria o contorno das
edificações e endereçamento atômico.  Talvez se conseguíssemos contatar
alguém do datapoa.com sensível ao nosso ponto de vista, seria uma chance
de fazer a coisa ir para frente.

On 11/13/2013 07:13 AM, Fernando Trebien wrote:
 Para os interessados da região de Porto Alegre, o novo portal de open
 data do município tem diversas informações que podem ser importadas no OSM.
 
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 Date: 2013/11/13
 Subject: [Talk-br] Porto Alegre lançou portal de open data
 To: OSM talk-br talk-br@openstreetmap.org
 mailto:talk-br@openstreetmap.org
 
 
 A cidade de Porto Alegre lançou hoje um beta do portal de open data do
 município:
 
 http://datapoa.com.br/
 
 
 
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Re: [Talk-br] Mapas turísticos baseados no OSM

2013-11-13 Thread Gerald Weber
Obrigado, não sei porque não pensei nisto [?]

abraço

Gerald


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 Eu uso Mapnik, ele está ativo e tem muita gente usando.

 http://mapnik.org/
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapnik
 https://github.com/mapnik/mapnik

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[Talk-br] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-11-13 Thread Arlindo Pereira
Para quem não acompanha a lista internacional, está se planejando um
redesign da página inicial do projeto, e o autor espera sugestões e
críticas construtivas.

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Date: Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 9:05 PM
Subject: [OSM-talk] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website
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(The aim of this email is to provide prior knowledge of an upcoming change
to the OSM website and to give you an opportunity to provide constructive
feedback)

Hi All,

Today the updated design for the main OpenStreetMap.org website is nearly
ready to be rolled out. You can view a demo at
redesign.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org and you can read about the latest
changes on the “pull request” at:

https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/pull/498#issuecomment-28309700

This is the cumulation of many months of work starting with Saman's
presentation at State of the Map US 2013. Obviously I realise that not
everyone has the time to search for all the background in the mailing lists
and github pull request so to help I have collated the video and slides
from both SotM US 2013 and SotM 2013 at
http://2013.stateofthemap.org/blog/upcoming-changes-openstreetmaporg-website/

Please take a minute or two to give it a try – both positive feedback and
constructive criticism is welcomed.

Regards,
RobJN

Final acceptance is by the OpenStreetMap Foundation and it's Working
Groups. The work of the Foundation and the Working Groups is explained at:
http://2013.stateofthemap.org/blog/work-openstreetmap-foundation/

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Re: [Talk-de] GPS - Networked Transport of RTCM via Internet Protocol

2013-11-13 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 06:53:56PM +0100, Markus wrote:
 Liebe GPS-Spezialisten,
 
 kennt sich jemand damit aus:
 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Networked_Transport_of_RTCM_via_Internet_Protocol
 (soll Genauigkeiten im 10cm-Bereich ermöglichen)

http://www.sapos.de/

Z.b. - Von den Landesvermessungsämtern - Finanziert durch Steuergelder -
Nur gegen Einwurf weiterer Münzen zugänglich.

http://www.zentrale-stelle-sapos.de/SAPOS_Prospekt.pdf

Je Minute 10 € Cent 


Am spannensten finde ich eigentlich das hier:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Aided_Satellite_Navigation_Technique

UKW/RDS empfänger gibts als Single-Chip lösungen und tendentiell können
das sogar die Smartphones selber - so das das Thema RTCM Daten zum GPS
Empfänger bekommen gelöst wäre ...

Leider alles eingestellt ... Und als Grass-Roots Lösung nicht so
einfach. Es gibt ja die Regionalradios mit denen man zusammen vielleicht
was machen könnte - Platz im RDS sollte immer sein.

Aber die Ausstattung die man braucht ist vielleicht ein wenig teuer.

 und kann die praktische Relavanz für's Mappen erklären?

Keine - genauigkeit heutiger GPS Empänger ist bis auf einige
Sonderfälle (Grosse Häuserschluchten - belaubte Wälder - Alpen)
völlig ausreichend.

Das Problem ist eher das beim mappen der Kopf nicht benutzt wird.

Ich sehe ganz häufig Straßen - 200m lang - Kerzengrade - und es
gibt mapper die Stumpf alle 2m einen Node setzen und da ein Zick-Zack
muster reinbasteln. Straße ist Kerzengerade - also reichen 2 nodes
am Anfang und am Ende ... Kopf benutzen ist mehr Wert als 
Geld für GPS Empfänger und Antennen auszugeben.

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Re: [Talk-de] GPS - Networked Transport of RTCM via Internet Protocol

2013-11-13 Thread Markus

Hallo Simon,


Wenn du ein GPS Gerat mit Rohdatenausgabe hast


Habe ich mal hier eingetragen:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Genauigkeit_von_GPS-Daten#Nachträgliche_Korrektur_durch_Ntrip

Welches Einkanal-Consumer-Gerät gibt Rohdaten aus?

Gruss, Markus


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Re: [Talk-de] Zeitungsartikel - PR Material - Hausnummern

2013-11-13 Thread Alexander Lehner



On Wed, 13 Nov 2013, Dietmar wrote:


Hallo Alexander,

Am 12.11.2013 23:33, schrieb Alexander Lehner:


Servus -

wir haben von der Stadt Landshut Hausnummern erhalten und die mit ein
paar kleinen Auflagen in OSM uebernehmen duerfen.


Wenn Du mir die Hausnummernliste zusendet, kann ich Passau mit aufnehmen
in die Hausnummernauswertung [1].


Ah ja, sehr schoen! So etwas in der Art haben wir auch gebastelt, nur 
nicht so huebsch ;)


Nur ist es so, dass wir (zumindest zu Beginn des Projektes) angehalten 
wurden, die Rohdaten nicht zu veroeffentlichen. Die Information darin 
duerfen wir aber wiederum nach ODBL fuer OSM zur Verfuegung stellen.


Um damit die Frage von Dirk vorhin zu beantworten.

Also aehnliches Prinzip wie bei bing abzeichnen.

D.h. wir haben manuell die Hausnummern an die Gebaeude uebertragen, was eh 
mehr Sinn macht weil man dann nochmal eine manuelle Ueberpruefung 
dazwischen hat.

In Passau wird das genauso gehandhabt.

Ich kann aber nochmal nachfragen, ob Landshut die Rohdaten nicht fuer 
Deine Auswertung zur Verfuegung stellen kann.


Alex.

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Re: [Talk-de] GPS - Networked Transport of RTCM via Internet Protocol

2013-11-13 Thread Peter Barth
Hi,

Markus schrieb:
 Welches Einkanal-Consumer-Gerät gibt Rohdaten aus?

Ich hab mir 2 Navilock NL-402U gekauft. Darauf eine gepatchte Firmware
gespielt (u-blox5 chips liefern nicht per default Rohdaten, können das
aber) und dann lief das auch mit den Rohdaten. (Im übrigen läuft sowohl
u-center als auch rtklib problemlos mit wine ;)).

Gruß,
Peda

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Re: [Talk-de] Wanderkarten von Russland

2013-11-13 Thread rainerU


Am 06.11.2013 19:36, schrieb Subidux:
 Vielleicht weiß ja jemand wo man solche Karten her bekommt, oder ob es
 einen Anbieter giebt, der OSM-Karten druckt oder wie man das möglichst
 einfach, im Maststab 1:125000, selber machen kann.
 

Der User JBacc hat einen Topo-Stil für Maperitive entwickelt, der allerdings auf
1:25.000 optimiert ist:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:JBacc


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[Talk-de] Visualisierung und S​imulation von Geodat​en! DRINGEND!​

2013-11-13 Thread Angelika Stauffer
Guten Tag,


ich wende mich mit folgendem Anliegen an die OSM-Community:

Für ein spannendes Projekt im Raum Koblenz suchen wir dringend einen
Mitarbbeiter auf freiberuflicher Basis oder in Festanstellung für die Simulation
bzw. Visualisierung von Geodaten. Das Projekt dauert vorerst 18 Monate, mit
Aussicht auf Verlängerung.

Hier die genaue Tätigkeitsbeschreibung:

Terrain-Datenbases:
* Quelldatenbearbeitung mit ArcMap und ERDAS Imagine
* Airfielderstellung mit CnAirG, AdaptiveBuild  Multigen Creator sowie der
Airfield-Libraries mit der INDRA-Software
* Texturerstellung mit Adobe Photoshop
* Erstellung und Verifikation von Visual-Datenbasen mit LITHOS
* Erstellung von Radar-, NAVAIDS-, Prinipal-Feature-, GPWS-, SE Terrain-DBs mit
interner Software von der Fa. INDRA
* Erstellung von IOS/LPSG-Maps mit MapLink-Studio
* Erstellen von ASTA-Datenbanken (Aircrew Synthetic Training Aids)
Model-Datenbases:
* Erstellung von 3D-Modellen mit Multigen-Creator
* Erstellung von Modelperformance  EW-Modellen mit der INDRA-Software

TOOLS:
*  Generieung von ASTA-Databases
* ArcMap
* ERDAS Imagine
* CnAirG
* AdaptiveBuild  Multigen Creator
* Airfield Libraries
* INDRA-Software
* LITHOS
* NAVAIDS

Dabei ist die Beherrschung der Software nicht Vorraussetzung. Eine längere
Einarbeitungszeit ist vorgesehen. Wichtig ist nur Erfahrung in der Bearbeitung
von Geodaten und speziell in der Visualisierung.

Wenn Interesse besteht, bitte ich um Kontaktaufnahme. Ich bin sowohl per Email
als auch per Telefon erreichbar.

Bitte schicken Sie dieses Angebot auch weiter, wenn Sie weitere Adressaten
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Re: [Talk-de] GPS - Networked Transport of RTCM via Internet Protocol

2013-11-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer


 Am 13/nov/2013 um 11:03 schrieb Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de:
 
 Kopf benutzen ist mehr Wert als 
 Geld für GPS Empfänger und Antennen auszugeben.


+1, Wenn da schon was in OSM drin ist sollte man auch immer die relativen 
Bezüge berücksichtigen (z.B. Straßenseite oder Häuserfluchten, bzw. allgemein 
die relative Lage der Dinge zueinander, das ist viel wichtiger als die absolute 
Lagegenauigkeit)

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Re: [Talk-de] Visualisierung und S​imulation von Geodat​en! DRINGEND!​

2013-11-13 Thread Jochen Topf
Sehr geehrte Frau Stauffer,

da diese Mail absolut nichts mit OSM zu tun hat, haben Sie sie offenbar an die
falsche Adresse geschickt. Gemäß Ihrem Disclaimer am Ende der Mail (Wenn
Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind oder diese E-Mail irrtümlich erhalten
haben, informieren Sie bitte sofort den Absender und vernichten Sie diese
Mail.) bin ich so nett und sage Ihnen hiermit Bescheid und werde die Mail
jetzt vernichten.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

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On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 01:42:43PM +0100, Angelika Stauffer wrote:
 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:42:43 +0100 (CET)
 From: Angelika Stauffer angelika.stauf...@ips-bremen.de
 To: talk-de@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: [Talk-de] Visualisierung und S​imulation von Geodat​en!
  DRINGEND!​
 
 Guten Tag,
 
 
 ich wende mich mit folgendem Anliegen an die OSM-Community:
 
 Für ein spannendes Projekt im Raum Koblenz suchen wir dringend einen
 Mitarbbeiter auf freiberuflicher Basis oder in Festanstellung für die 
 Simulation
 bzw. Visualisierung von Geodaten. Das Projekt dauert vorerst 18 Monate, mit
 Aussicht auf Verlängerung.
 
 Hier die genaue Tätigkeitsbeschreibung:
 
 Terrain-Datenbases:
 * Quelldatenbearbeitung mit ArcMap und ERDAS Imagine
 * Airfielderstellung mit CnAirG, AdaptiveBuild  Multigen Creator sowie der
 Airfield-Libraries mit der INDRA-Software
 * Texturerstellung mit Adobe Photoshop
 * Erstellung und Verifikation von Visual-Datenbasen mit LITHOS
 * Erstellung von Radar-, NAVAIDS-, Prinipal-Feature-, GPWS-, SE Terrain-DBs 
 mit
 interner Software von der Fa. INDRA
 * Erstellung von IOS/LPSG-Maps mit MapLink-Studio
 * Erstellen von ASTA-Datenbanken (Aircrew Synthetic Training Aids)
 Model-Datenbases:
 * Erstellung von 3D-Modellen mit Multigen-Creator
 * Erstellung von Modelperformance  EW-Modellen mit der INDRA-Software
 
 TOOLS:
 *  Generieung von ASTA-Databases
 * ArcMap
 * ERDAS Imagine
 * CnAirG
 * AdaptiveBuild  Multigen Creator
 * Airfield Libraries
 * INDRA-Software
 * LITHOS
 * NAVAIDS
 
 Dabei ist die Beherrschung der Software nicht Vorraussetzung. Eine längere
 Einarbeitungszeit ist vorgesehen. Wichtig ist nur Erfahrung in der Bearbeitung
 von Geodaten und speziell in der Visualisierung.
 
 Wenn Interesse besteht, bitte ich um Kontaktaufnahme. Ich bin sowohl per Email
 als auch per Telefon erreichbar.
 
 Bitte schicken Sie dieses Angebot auch weiter, wenn Sie weitere Adressaten
 kennen für die dieses Angebot von Interesse sein könnte!
 
 Vielen Dank im Voraus!!
 
 
 
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Re: [Talk-de] Visualisierung und S​imulation von Geodat​en! DRINGEND!​

2013-11-13 Thread Dirk Sohler
Jochen Topf schrieb:
 offenbar an die falsche Adresse geschickt.

Ist das nicht schon die zweite Jobsuche-Spammail binnen weniger Tage?

Grüße,
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Re: [Talk-de] Mannheim - Quadratenamen in Mapnik verschwunden

2013-11-13 Thread fly
On 11.11.2013 11:58, Sven Geggus wrote:
 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 es sieht so aus, als gäbe es einen Pull-Request der im vorliegenden Fall
 dazu führen würde, dass der Quadrat-Name wieder gerendert würde

Hier reden wir doch über Blöcke und nicht Quatiere die auch mal aus mehr
als einem Carre bestehen können

 Bist Du sicher?
 
 Das hier https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/28/files
 bezieht sich IMO nur auf punktuelle Objekte, die mit
 [place] = 'neighbourhood' getaggt wurden aber eben nicht auf Flächen.

Neighbourhood halte ich ungeeignet.

Wobei ich selbst bei admin_level=10 am Grübeln bin, wenn suburb schon
admin_level=9 ist brauche ich für 10 wohl doch place=quater

 Allerdings kenne ich mich mit Carto nicht aus und habe daher keine Ahnung wo
 jetzt genau festgelegt wird auf welche Tabelle sich das bezieht.
 
 Im alten Stil beziehen sich diese Sachen jedenfalls nicht auf Flächen.

Flächen ist noch ein eigenes Thema.

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Re: [Talk-de] JOSM-Preset

2013-11-13 Thread fly
On 11.11.2013 14:04, Markus wrote:
 Wer kennt sich mit der Erstellung von JOSM-Presets aus,
 und kann einer netten Taucherin helfen?
 (Sprachversionen und Icons einbinden)
 
 Ich habe hier eine Anfrage per PM :-)
 (deutsch)
 
 Ich würde dann den Kontakt herstellen...

Bin ja nicht sicher, ob sowas unbedingt persönlich ablaufen muß, zumal
xml Dateien ja auch nur Text sind.

Warum nicht über diese Liste, dann ist es auch möglich später darauf zu
verweisen.

Steh trotzdem zu Verfügung.
Soll die Vorlage denn veröffentlicht werden ? dann bittet sich zB das
JOSM-Trac an.

Vielleicht sollte das ein oder andere auch direkt in JOSM integriert werden.

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Re: [Talk-de] Mannheim - Quadratenamen in Mapnik verschwunden

2013-11-13 Thread fly
On 11.11.2013 11:54, Dirk Sohler wrote:
 Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb:
 wobei noch die Frage offen bleibt, ob place=neighbourhood ein guter
 Tag ist, um diese Quadrate zu beschreiben, oder ob ggf. ein anderer
 Tag mehr Sinn machen würde, evtl. etwas spezifisches für Mannheim.
 
 Was spräche gegen z.B. ref:block=* als Tag? Damit könnte man dann
 nicht nur die Mannheimer Quadrate (die ja auch irgendwie als
 Straßenblock ansehbar sind) taggen, sondern auch exakt bezeichnete
 Blöcke in anderen Städten.
 
 Oder falls das nicht erwünscht ist, weil Mannheim die einzige Stadt der
 Welt ist, wo Straßenblöcke genau bezeichnet sind (was ich mir nicht
 vorstellen kann, aber nehmen wir das mal an *g*), böte sich halt analog
 zum bereits vorhandenen Tag ref:svhl=* (Stationsschlüssel des Lübecker
 Stadtverkehrs) zum Beispiel ref:mannheim_squares=* (o.Ä.) als
 spezifischen Mannheimer-Quadrate-Tag an.

So was ist doch wohl eher ein Thread für tagging@osm, da dieses System
in Europa sehr ungewöhlich in zB. Japan aber der Standard ist.

Siehe:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.tagging/9926
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.tagging/14885

Allerdings ist weder addr:block noch addr:block_number bisher häufig und
place=block gibt es auch nur etwas mehr als 10³.

cu

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Re: [Talk-de] Mannheim - Quadratenamen in Mapnik verschwunden

2013-11-13 Thread Peter Körner
Hi

Am 11.11.2013 10:21, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
 Was jedenfalls den Pull-Request angeht so ist der wohl erstmal vertagt:
 https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/28

Wenn man auf die dringlichkeit für die Mannheimer hinweisen würde,
könnte man bestimmt eine schnellere Reaktion erwirken. Ich bin mir aber,
wie unten geschildert, nicht sicher ob der PullReq wirklich das hier
genannte Problem lösen würde.

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Re: [Talk-de] Wochennotiz Nr. 173 5.11.-11.11.2013

2013-11-13 Thread Malte Blättermann
Danke für eure tolle Arbeit!


Gruß Malte

Am 12.11.2013 23:02, schrieb wn reader:
 Hallo,
 
 die Wochennotiz Nr. 173 mit allen wichtigen Neuigkeiten aus der OpenStreetMap 
 Welt ist da: 
 
 http://blog.openstreetmap.de/blog/2013/11/wochennotiz-nr-173/
 
 Viel Spaß beim Lesen!
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Re: [Talk-it] AMAT e OpenStreetMap

2013-11-13 Thread cesare gerbino
Bellissima notizia, molto interessante sul serio . Se posso faccio un
salto da Torino  ...

+1

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Il giorno 12 novembre 2013 16:43, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com ha
scritto:

 Ciao,

 vi scrivo per raccontarvi che AMAT http://www.amat-mi.it/ Agenzia
 Mobilità Ambiente e Territorio di Milano, società in-house del Comune
 di Milano che si occupa principalmente di dati, cartografia e
 pianificazione territoriale ha deciso di partecipare al progetto
 OpenStreetMap in maniera diretta.

 L'obiettivo è quello di apportare modifiche al grafo stradale
 OpenStreetMap di Milano completandolo dei dati mancanti relativi ad
 esempio ai nomi delle stade, percorsi dei mezzi pubblici, restrizioni
 di svolta e altro.

 Dipendenti e collaboratori esterni lavoreranno, tramite strumenti del
 mondo OSM (JOSM), ad integrare i dati mancanti direttamente nella base
 dati OSM, che poi verrà utilizzata internamente per studi e prodotti
 che verranno rilasciati, a loro volta, alla popolazione. Il tutto per
 andare a migliorare la qualità dei dati messi a disposizione agli
 utenti (privati, pubblici, aziende, etc.) anche visto l'avvicinarsi
 dell'evento EXPO 2015.

 Si tratta, secondo me, del primo caso di collaborazione a questo
 livello tra la P.A. e la comunità opendata italiana. Se non si tratta
 di un cinque stelle dell'opendata, poco ci manca. Questo intervento ha
 già avuto inizio per quanto concerne la fase di studio e proseguirà,
 da oggi in poi, in una fase pratica, di editing.

 In quest'ottica, AMAT desidera conoscere ed entrare in contatto con la
 comunità Milanese di OSM. Propongo un primo incontro informalissimo
 durante l'aperitivo di AperiSOD il prossimo giovedì sera
 http://www.paninomilano.com/ Sotto il palazzo di Regione Lombardia
 (Milano) alle 19:00.

 Che ne pensate? A me sembra una ottima occasione per costruire
 qualcosa di bello insieme ad una PA attenta. Venite?

 Mi è stato chiesto di aiutare AMAT a dare visibilità dell'intervento
 all'interno della community OSM e aiutarli a capire dinamiche e
 criticità della stessa.

 Grazie,
 Simone.

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Re: [Talk-it] AMAT e OpenStreetMap

2013-11-13 Thread Simone Cortesi
abbiamo scelto di parlarne ad un aperitivo a cui comunque sarei
andato, perche' non ci sarà niente di organizzato niente slide o
altro.

Valutato l'interesse dei mapper locali, si deciderà come organizzare i
prossimi incontri a milano

2013/11/13 cesare gerbino cesaregerb...@gmail.com:
 Bellissima notizia, molto interessante sul serio . Se posso faccio un
 salto da Torino  ...

 +1

 Cesare

 Cesare Gerbino

 http://cesaregerbino.wordpress.com/
 http://www.facebook.com/cesare.gerbino
 http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cesare-Gerbino-GIS-Blog/246234455498174?ref=hl
 https://twitter.com/CesareGerbino
 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/cesare-gerbino/56/494/77b



 Il giorno 12 novembre 2013 16:43, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com ha
 scritto:

 Ciao,

 vi scrivo per raccontarvi che AMAT http://www.amat-mi.it/ Agenzia
 Mobilità Ambiente e Territorio di Milano, società in-house del Comune
 di Milano che si occupa principalmente di dati, cartografia e
 pianificazione territoriale ha deciso di partecipare al progetto
 OpenStreetMap in maniera diretta.

 L'obiettivo è quello di apportare modifiche al grafo stradale
 OpenStreetMap di Milano completandolo dei dati mancanti relativi ad
 esempio ai nomi delle stade, percorsi dei mezzi pubblici, restrizioni
 di svolta e altro.

 Dipendenti e collaboratori esterni lavoreranno, tramite strumenti del
 mondo OSM (JOSM), ad integrare i dati mancanti direttamente nella base
 dati OSM, che poi verrà utilizzata internamente per studi e prodotti
 che verranno rilasciati, a loro volta, alla popolazione. Il tutto per
 andare a migliorare la qualità dei dati messi a disposizione agli
 utenti (privati, pubblici, aziende, etc.) anche visto l'avvicinarsi
 dell'evento EXPO 2015.

 Si tratta, secondo me, del primo caso di collaborazione a questo
 livello tra la P.A. e la comunità opendata italiana. Se non si tratta
 di un cinque stelle dell'opendata, poco ci manca. Questo intervento ha
 già avuto inizio per quanto concerne la fase di studio e proseguirà,
 da oggi in poi, in una fase pratica, di editing.

 In quest'ottica, AMAT desidera conoscere ed entrare in contatto con la
 comunità Milanese di OSM. Propongo un primo incontro informalissimo
 durante l'aperitivo di AperiSOD il prossimo giovedì sera
 http://www.paninomilano.com/ Sotto il palazzo di Regione Lombardia
 (Milano) alle 19:00.

 Che ne pensate? A me sembra una ottima occasione per costruire
 qualcosa di bello insieme ad una PA attenta. Venite?

 Mi è stato chiesto di aiutare AMAT a dare visibilità dell'intervento
 all'interno della community OSM e aiutarli a capire dinamiche e
 criticità della stessa.

 Grazie,
 Simone.

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[Talk-it] Presentazione OSM per ciclisti sta sera alla FIAB Padova

2013-11-13 Thread Volker Schmidt
Sta sera Luca Deluchi farà una presentazione
OSM per ciclisti
per gli Amici della Bicicletta di Padova.

Ora: 21:00
Dove: http://osm.org/go/0IBpgpSi6?m=

Siete benvenuti

Volker
Amici della Bicicletta di Padova - FIAB onlus
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Re: [Talk-it] AMAT e OpenStreetMap

2013-11-13 Thread Luca Delucchi
2013/11/12 Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com:
 Ciao,


ciao


 In quest'ottica, AMAT desidera conoscere ed entrare in contatto con la
 comunità Milanese di OSM. Propongo un primo incontro informalissimo
 durante l'aperitivo di AperiSOD il prossimo giovedì sera
 http://www.paninomilano.com/ Sotto il palazzo di Regione Lombardia
 (Milano) alle 19:00.


giovedì prossimo 21? così lo aggiungo al wiki

 Che ne pensate? A me sembra una ottima occasione per costruire
 qualcosa di bello insieme ad una PA attenta. Venite?

 Mi è stato chiesto di aiutare AMAT a dare visibilità dell'intervento
 all'interno della community OSM e aiutarli a capire dinamiche e
 criticità della stessa.


io non potrò esserci ma se serve aiuto contattatemi pure, ovviamente
mi sembra un'ottima iniziati molto lodevole

 Grazie,
 Simone.



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[Talk-it] SRTM formato OSM

2013-11-13 Thread Luca Delucchi
Volevo informarvi che da oggi è possibile scaricare SRTM convertito in
formato OSM (.pbf) dal sito della fondazione edmund mach [0]
Vi è un file per tutta italia e poi le singole regioni.
Vi prego di non scaricare il file completo italiano se vi serve solo
una parte poichè il file è un po' pesante (più di 8GB).

Volevo chiedervi se qualcuno ha idea di come splittare un file SRTM
pbf per essere dato in pasto a mkgmap, ho provato un po' tutti i
software dedicati (splitter, osmcut, mapsplit) ma tutti ritornarno
diverisi errori. (questo poichè sicuramente il trentino è troppo
pesante e mkgmap non riesce a convertirlo e perciò devo dividerlo)


[0] http://geodati.fmach.it/gfoss_geodata/osm/italia_osm.html

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Re: [Talk-it] Autostrade in centro a Ventimiglia...

2013-11-13 Thread Francesco Frassinelli
Il giorno 14 ottobre 2013 22:13, Daniele Forsi dfo...@gmail.com ha
scritto:

 C'è qualcuno a Ventimiglia o zone limitrofe che può spiegare a questo
 nuovo utente come si mappa senza distruggere i dati presenti?
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Amici%20dei%20Disabili%20Onlus


Sono riuscito a prendere contatto con loro. Ho spiegato, facendo
riferimento al wiki, la classificazione delle strade, invitandoli a porre
ulteriore domande sulla mailing list.


Buona serata,
Frafra
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[Talk-it] Area Pic-Nic

2013-11-13 Thread demon.box
Chiedo dritte su come taggare correttamente un'area pic-nic.
Leggendo qui:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dpicnic_site
capisco che se l'area pic-nic oltre ai tavoli ha anche i fuochi *aggiungo
sullo stesso nodo* anche il tag
amenity=bbq ho inteso giusto?
E ancora, se l'area pic-nic ha un nome specifico come tag name metto ad es.
Area pic-nic Margherita (come scritto sul cartello ma che forse è
ridondante) oppure soltanto Margherita?
Grazie, ciao
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[Talk-it] Letture: OpenStreetMap e dati in pubblico dominio

2013-11-13 Thread Maurizio Napolitano
Mi sono imbattuto in questa lettura
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/JimmyRocks/diary/20357
secondo me è molto interessante il punto di vista presentato

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Re: [Talk-it] Proposta di roadmap per il capitolo italiano OpenStreetMap Foundation

2013-11-13 Thread Cristian Consonni
Ciao,

Il 13 novembre 2013 07:36, Stefano Fraccaro
postmas...@stefanofraccaro.org ha scritto:
 Si per motivi economici. Comunque questa mattina ho dato una occhiata alla
 situazione economica di Wikimedia e ho visto delle cose strane. 2-3 anni
 fa sono entrati circa 180-200 soci facendo balzare le entrate per quote
 associative da ~3440€ a oltre 8000. Nell'ultimo anno sono rimasti tesserati
 285 persone mentre 186 erano in ritardo oppure non hanno proprio rinnovato.
 L'ultimo bilancio vede scendere la disponibilità da 172.000 euro a 115.000.
 Qualcuno che è già dentro a Wikimedia Italia potrebbe fare un pò di luce su
 questi numeri?

posso risponderti io.

* nel 2010-2011 Wikimedia Italia ha fatto la campagna con la Wikimedia
Foundation, che poi non è più stata fatta perché è cambiato (a livello
globale) il modello di fundraising;
* l'anomalia nelle iscrizioni è dovuta al fatto che nella pagina per
le donazioni era presentate insieme alla possibilità di donare anche
la possibilità di associarsi (vedi:
http://wiki.wikimedia.it/wiki/Dona)
* la cassa insolitamente alta è un residuo del fundraising fatto
quell'anno con Wikimedia Foundation, ed il fatto che le riserve calino
è dovuto al fatto che le utilizziamo (perché non ha senso tenere quei
soldi in cassa).

Ciao,

Cristian
(VIcepresidente di Wikimedia Italia)

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Re: [Talk-it] SRTM formato OSM

2013-11-13 Thread Cristian Testa
Personalmente io uso srtm2osm, suddividendo l'area in quadrati da 0.5 x 
0.5 e generando un file osm per ogni quadrato.

Gli osm li converto poi con mkgmap e metto tutto insieme con gmt.
Ho provato a generare un osm che copra tutta l'area e poi splittarlo ma 
non ci sono mai riuscito.


Ciao
Cristian

Il 13/11/2013 12:02, Luca Delucchi ha scritto:

Volevo informarvi che da oggi è possibile scaricare SRTM convertito in
formato OSM (.pbf) dal sito della fondazione edmund mach [0]
Vi è un file per tutta italia e poi le singole regioni.
Vi prego di non scaricare il file completo italiano se vi serve solo
una parte poichè il file è un po' pesante (più di 8GB).

Volevo chiedervi se qualcuno ha idea di come splittare un file SRTM
pbf per essere dato in pasto a mkgmap, ho provato un po' tutti i
software dedicati (splitter, osmcut, mapsplit) ma tutti ritornarno
diverisi errori. (questo poichè sicuramente il trentino è troppo
pesante e mkgmap non riesce a convertirlo e perciò devo dividerlo)


[0] http://geodati.fmach.it/gfoss_geodata/osm/italia_osm.html




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Re: [Talk-it] Area Pic-Nic

2013-11-13 Thread demon.box
...@dieterdreist  che dici? 
Grazie!
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Re: [Talk-it] Area Pic-Nic

2013-11-13 Thread Luca Delucchi
2013/11/13 demon.box e.rossin...@alice.it:
 Chiedo dritte su come taggare correttamente un'area pic-nic.
 Leggendo qui:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dpicnic_site
 capisco che se l'area pic-nic oltre ai tavoli ha anche i fuochi *aggiungo
 sullo stesso nodo* anche il tag
 amenity=bbq ho inteso giusto?

io di solito ho usato fireplace=yes

 E ancora, se l'area pic-nic ha un nome specifico come tag name metto ad es.
 Area pic-nic Margherita (come scritto sul cartello ma che forse è
 ridondante) oppure soltanto Margherita?

direi solo margherita

 Grazie, ciao
 --enrico



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[Talk-uy] Proyecto de importacion de direcciones del localidades del interior.

2013-11-13 Thread muralito
Estimados: 

Basandonos en la informacion publicada por AGESIC - IDEUy, habria que evaluar 
la conveniencia y factibilidad legal y tecnica de importar datos publicados por 
IDEUy. 

Documento de Lineamientos Estratégicos para la informacion geografica 
http://ide.uy/inicio/noticias/aprobados+lineamientos+estrategicos+para+la+informacion+geografica
 
http://ide.uy/wps/wcm/connect/2772d80040a110a8bbbe29651486/lineamiento_Datos_Geograficos.pdf?MOD=AJPERES
 

El link para descarga de los datos esta en el menu de http://ide.uy arriba a la 
derecha y lleva a 
http://descarga-cdp-ide.agesic.gub.uy/ 

¿Quien se suma? 

Fuera de los datos de direcciones tambien hay otra informacion que podria 
aprovecharse. 

Saludos, 
M. 






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[Talk-dk] Krisekorlægning på Filippinerne

2013-11-13 Thread Michael Andersen
Kære alle

Jeg kan se der er folk der pt. arbejder rundt i Danmark. Det er der ikke noget 
galt i, men jeg vil alligevel opfordre alle der har tid til overs til at logge 
ind på http://tasks.hotosm.org/ og deltage i arbejdet der. På indeværende 
tidspunkt har mere end 600 mappere har allerede deltaget, men der er stadig 
meget at gøre i området.

Med venlig hilsen
   Hjart

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Re: [Talk-dk] Krisekorlægning på Filippinerne

2013-11-13 Thread Soren Johannessen
Jeg kan her kun gentage opfordringen fra Hjart.

Der er en Wikiside med masser af information vedr. krisekortlægningen
i forbindelse med tyfonen. Den kan I kigge på som en start
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Typhoon_Haiyan

vh
Søren Johannessen

2013/11/13 Michael Andersen hj...@milvus.dk:
 Kære alle

 Jeg kan se der er folk der pt. arbejder rundt i Danmark. Det er der ikke noget
 galt i, men jeg vil alligevel opfordre alle der har tid til overs til at logge
 ind på http://tasks.hotosm.org/ og deltage i arbejdet der. På indeværende
 tidspunkt har mere end 600 mappere har allerede deltaget, men der er stadig
 meget at gøre i området.

 Med venlig hilsen
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Bus stops

2013-11-13 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 12 November 2013 09:49, Ed Loach edlo...@gmail.com wrote:
 For name, use whatever is on the bus stop sign. So in this example:

 http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/65797/article_346b19a79c148b9f_1342893529_9j-4aaqsk.jpeg

 name=Corporation St

 (or perhaps Street rather than St – not sure if we expand road names when
 they aren’t being used as road names)


The shields in Birmingham say StreetName linebreak CommonName.
That might indeed be the best option. We are just leaving out the
interchange name then.

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Bus stops

2013-11-13 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Hi Brian,

 Generally I don't think adding names to bus stops adds anything to the map
 other than when it is an Interchange name- so they're the only ones I name.
 Why? Generally because adding a name consisting of a street name where the
 street name is already on the map I consider to be cartographic clutter and
 totally redundant.  Common names also tend to duplicate features that are
 already named on the map and so are not really needed.  For transport
 applications the data is there to be used - no need to add it in a name.

To be honest, I don't agree with you there. Tagging for the renderer
(not giving bus stops names because it would create a clutter) is
usually seen as a bad idea, and I believe that's the case here as
well.

First, on the one hand the default rendering doesn't display bus stop
names anyway, so there it wouldn't become a clutter. On the other
hand, the Transport Map layer displays bus stops names on low zoom
level, and street names only on the highest levels, so there the bus
stop names would be useful to get an overview.

Also don't forget that we are not creating a map, we are creating a
geographical database. For example, you might want to ask your
software for the closest bus stop. It would be nice if you could then
get the bus stop name as an answer, for which the name tags are
necessary. Or for example, you might want to generate a list of all
stops of a given bus route, for which you also need the stop names.

Also, not all common names are named after features already on the map
(some are called 'middle' for example).

For now, I think the best scheme I can think of would be StreetName,
CommonName. That would follow the name on the signs, except that we
use a comma where there is a line break on the shield.

-- Matthijs

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Bus stops

2013-11-13 Thread Andy Robinson
Since this information is already in the naptan tags why would we need to
add it again under some other, eg name, tag?

Cheers
Andy

-Original Message-
From: Matthijs Melissen [mailto:i...@matthijsmelissen.nl] 
Sent: 14 November 2013 01:41
To: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Bus stops

Hi Brian,

 Generally I don't think adding names to bus stops adds anything to the 
 map other than when it is an Interchange name- so they're the only ones I
name.
 Why? Generally because adding a name consisting of a street name where 
 the street name is already on the map I consider to be cartographic 
 clutter and totally redundant.  Common names also tend to duplicate 
 features that are already named on the map and so are not really 
 needed.  For transport applications the data is there to be used - no need
to add it in a name.

To be honest, I don't agree with you there. Tagging for the renderer (not
giving bus stops names because it would create a clutter) is usually seen as
a bad idea, and I believe that's the case here as well.

First, on the one hand the default rendering doesn't display bus stop names
anyway, so there it wouldn't become a clutter. On the other hand, the
Transport Map layer displays bus stops names on low zoom level, and street
names only on the highest levels, so there the bus stop names would be
useful to get an overview.

Also don't forget that we are not creating a map, we are creating a
geographical database. For example, you might want to ask your software for
the closest bus stop. It would be nice if you could then get the bus stop
name as an answer, for which the name tags are necessary. Or for example,
you might want to generate a list of all stops of a given bus route, for
which you also need the stop names.

Also, not all common names are named after features already on the map (some
are called 'middle' for example).

For now, I think the best scheme I can think of would be StreetName,
CommonName. That would follow the name on the signs, except that we use a
comma where there is a line break on the shield.

-- Matthijs

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[Talk-es] Tags for newsagent, kiosk, tobacco etc.

2013-11-13 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all,

First of all, I apologize for writing in English, but I have a
question for the Spanish community. I'm currently documenting (and
perhaps even standardizing if consensus can be used) the use of
shop=newsagent/kiosk/tobacco/books tags.

In many countries, there is a type of shop that sells most of the following:

- Newspapers
- Magazines
- Books (but not as wide selection as a book shop)
- Stationary
- Post cards
- Bus tickets
- Concert tickets
- Lottery tickets
- Post stamps
- Tobacco
- Mobile phone credit
- Drinks and candy

The name of this type of shop varies across countries. In the
Netherlands and Italy, they are most often refered to as tobacco shop
(although tobacco is only a small fraction of what is being sold). In
Switzerland and Luxembourg, they are refered to as kiosk (although
they are not necessarily small buildings on the sidewalk). In Germany,
they seem to be referred to as lottery shops (although they offer much
more than just lottery tickets). However, the concept seems to be
quite similar in most of these countries.

Some examples (not necessarily under an open license):
Italian tabacchi:
[url]http://www.investmilano.it/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/tabacchi222.jpg[/url]
Dutch Primera cigarette shop:
[url]http://wijkaanzee.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Primera-wijkaanzee.jpg[/url]
Swiss K-Kiosk: [url]http://www.gaeupark.ch/upload/prj/images/kiosk1.jpg[/url]
English WHSmith:
[url]http://www.birminghamairport.co.uk/~/media/Images/content/at-the-airport/shop-restaurant-images/WHSmith.ashx[/url]
German Lotto lottery shop:
[url]http://www.hit.de/regional/partner_image/071/071_Lotto_Shop.jpg[/url]

Do such shops also exist in Spain, and how are they referred to? Which
of the products that I listed do they sell? Thanks in advance for any
responses.


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Re: [Talk-es] Tags for newsagent, kiosk, tobacco etc.

2013-11-13 Thread Óscar Zorrilla Alonso
Hello,

The answer is yes, this kind of shop is called in spanish quiosco, the 
pronunciation is similar to kiosk.

More or less they sell the same, it depends of the owner.

The tobacco and post stamps are still selling in tobacco shops (Spanish name is 
estanco) but some quioscos sold tobacco now.

The list of possible articles to sell is the same that you have.

I hope I can help you with your doubt.

Regards, Óscar (aka cronoser)

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Desde: Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl
Enviado: 14 de noviembre de 2013 01:13
Para: talk-es@openstreetmap.org
Asunto: [Talk-es] Tags for newsagent, kiosk, tobacco etc.

Dear all,

First of all, I apologize for writing in English, but I have a
question for the Spanish community. I'm currently documenting (and
perhaps even standardizing if consensus can be used) the use of
shop=newsagent/kiosk/tobacco/books tags.

In many countries, there is a type of shop that sells most of the following:

- Newspapers
- Magazines
- Books (but not as wide selection as a book shop)
- Stationary
- Post cards
- Bus tickets
- Concert tickets
- Lottery tickets
- Post stamps
- Tobacco
- Mobile phone credit
- Drinks and candy

The name of this type of shop varies across countries. In the
Netherlands and Italy, they are most often refered to as tobacco shop
(although tobacco is only a small fraction of what is being sold). In
Switzerland and Luxembourg, they are refered to as kiosk (although
they are not necessarily small buildings on the sidewalk). In Germany,
they seem to be referred to as lottery shops (although they offer much
more than just lottery tickets). However, the concept seems to be
quite similar in most of these countries.

Some examples (not necessarily under an open license):
Italian tabacchi:
[url]http://www.investmilano.it/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/tabacchi222.jpg[/url]
Dutch Primera cigarette shop:
[url]http://wijkaanzee.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Primera-wijkaanzee.jpg[/url]
Swiss K-Kiosk: [url]http://www.gaeupark.ch/upload/prj/images/kiosk1.jpg[/url]
English WHSmith:
[url]http://www.birminghamairport.co.uk/~/media/Images/content/at-the-airport/shop-restaurant-images/WHSmith.ashx[/url]
German Lotto lottery shop:
[url]http://www.hit.de/regional/partner_image/071/071_Lotto_Shop.jpg[/url]

Do such shops also exist in Spain, and how are they referred to? Which
of the products that I listed do they sell? Thanks in advance for any
responses.


-- Matthijs

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Re: [Talk-ee] openstreetmap ID editor ja orto kiht

2013-11-13 Thread Tormi Tabor
Võid ikka. Tahaks lisada veel kihtidega arvestava permalingi kunagi jne.
Geokodeerimine ei tunne ka hetkel täpitähti.

Terv,
Tormi


13. november 2013 14:46 kirjutas Jaak Laineste (Nutiteq) j...@nutiteq.com:

 Hm, võin selle teata.ee koodi panna kaart.maakaart.ee ? Ega seal muud
 vahet pole, kui mõned aluskaardi valikud läheks veel juurde. OL on seal
 ajaloolisel põhjusel puhtalt.

 Jaak

 On 13.11.2013, at 2:18, Tormi Tabor tormi.ta...@gmail.com wrote:

 OpenLayeri's ei ole veel jõudnud teha, aga Leaflet'il on täitsa selline
 plugin olemas: https://github.com/yohanboniface/Leaflet.EditInOSM
 Demo: http://teata.ee/ http://teata.ee/#7/58.651/24.609

 Tormi


 23. oktoober 2013 15:10 kirjutas Jaak Laineste j...@openstreetmap.ee:


 Äkki oskab keegi kaart.maakaart.ee lehele ka Redigeeri kaarti nuppu
 lisada? Jupike disainimist, HTML, võibolla CSS ja Javascript ka, et ilus
 välja näeks.

 Tehnilise faili uuendamise saan ma teha.

 Jaak

 On 23.10.2013, at 14:57, Tormi Tabor tormi.ta...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hei,

 Lisasin Maa-ameti aerofoto taustaks lisamise õpetuse ID-editori helpi,
 vt.
 https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/id-editor/translate/#et/core/11744216?q=imagery

 NB! Kes tahaks veel ID-editori tõlkida, siis tehku seda siva, sest juba
 homme lastakse uus reliis välja!

 *# Aerofoto*

 *Aerofotod on kaardistamisel oluliseks algallikaks. Valik aerofotosid on
 kättesaadavad paremal asuva redaktori taustaseadete menüü kaudu, vaikimisi
 on taustaks [Bing Maps](http://www.bing.com/maps/
 http://www.bing.com/maps/) satelliitfoto.*

 *Maa-ameti aerofoto taustana kasutamiseks lisa kohandatud tausta
 valikusse aadress kujul http://kaart.maakaart.ee/orto/{z}/{x}/{y}.jpeg
 http://kaart.maakaart.ee/orto/%7Bz%7D/%7Bx%7D/%7By%7D.jpeg. Selleks, et
 avada OSM ID-redaktor vaikimisi Maa-ameti ortofoto taustaga, kasuta
 veebibrauseris aadressi
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#background=custom:http://kaart.maakaart.ee/orto/{z}/{x}/{y}.jpegmap=@zoom/@lon/@lat
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#background=custom:http://kaart.maakaart.ee/orto/%7Bz%7D/%7Bx%7D/%7By%7D.jpegmap=@zoom/@lon/@lat,
 milles @zoom/@lon/@lat asenda reaalsete väärtustega (näit.
 15/59.3438/24.5892).*

 *Mõnikord on aerofoto kaardiandmete suhtes nihkes. Kui märkad mitmeid
 taustaga nihkes olevaid teid, ära asu kohe nende asukohti muutma, vaid
 kohanda vastavalt aerofoto asendit taustaseadete menüü valiku 'Korrigeeri
 nihet' abil.*

 Tormi

 21. oktoober 2013 16:58 kirjutas Tormi Tabor tormi.ta...@gmail.com:

 Testisin Viljari URL-i - see ei näita siiski custom layerit, vaid Bingi.
 Seega, toimiv on minu viimati saadetud viide.

 URL, mis avab OSM ID-editori Maa-ameti ortofoto taustaga:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#background=custom:http://kaart.maakaart.ee/orto/{z}/{x}/{y}.jpegmap=15/59.3438/24.5892

 Tormi


 21. oktoober 2013 16:24 kirjutas Tormi Tabor tormi.ta...@gmail.com:

 Ok, Viljar juba sai ise ka tööle, sry;)


 21. oktoober 2013 16:22 kirjutas Tormi Tabor tormi.ta...@gmail.com:

 Toimib:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#background=custom:http://kaart.maakaart.ee/orto/{z}/{x}/{y}.jpegid=n1813561651map=15/59.3438/24.5892

 Tormi


 17. oktoober 2013 15:13 kirjutas Jaak Laineste (Nutiteq) 
 j...@nutiteq.com:


 Äkki lihtsalt openstreetmap.org softi ei uuendata igapäevaselt ?
 Siis pole see bugi, vaid tuleb oodata kui viimane iD version sinna jõuab.

 See custom URL igakordne uuesti panek on tüütus tõesti. Eks korralik
 lahendus oleks JOSM-i asukohapõhist (kui see on ikka asukohapõhine)
 nimekirja kasutada - et igas asukohas oleksid sealsed sourced juba 
 valikus.
 SIis saaks kasvõi Tartu LV WMS-i sinna panna.

 Jaak

 On 17.10.2013, at 13:55, Viljar vilja...@gmail.com wrote:

 Tänud, selle abil sain otsa peale. oluline on jälgida parameetrite
 järjestust ja õiged vahemärke (# ja ? ja ). Vastasel juhul tehakse 
 mingit
 automaatsuunamist. Seda URL õpetust olen lugenud.


 http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?background=custom:http://kaart.maakaart.ee/orto/{z}/{x}/{y}.jpegorigin=nweditor=id#map=16/59./25.


 2013/10/17 Tormi Tabor tormi.ta...@gmail.com

 Ups,
 http://openstreetmap.us/iD/release/#background=custom:http://kaart.maakaart.ee/orto/{z}/{x}/{y}.jpegmap=16.08/24.59492/59.34945


 17. oktoober 2013 13:20 kirjutas Tormi Tabor tormi.ta...@gmail.com
 :

 /iD/release/#background=custom:
 http://kaart.maakaart.ee/orto/{z}/{x}/{y}.jpegmap=16.08/24.59492/59.34945

 Seda ei tea, miks osm.org-iga ei tööta, epaks vist veakirjelduse
 koostama..

 Terv,
 Tormi


 17. oktoober 2013 13:14 kirjutas Viljar vilja...@gmail.com:

 Tingituna erinevatest põhjustest olen sunnitud kasutama
 veebieditori ning see pole just kõige mõnusam. Bing on nigel ja GPS 
 jälg
 pole alati kõige täpsem. Kui tekkis võimalus maaameti kihti ID's 
 kasutada,
 siis oli see väga hea uudis ning vahelduva eduga olen seda kasutanud.
 Jama on aga selles, et iga kord kui kaarti muutma lähen, peab
 selle Custom layeri uuesti defineerima ning copy-paste
 

[Talk-at] Brauche Grafische Hilfe bei einem Programm

2013-11-13 Thread Roland Schuller

Hallo !

Ich habe mal geschrieben, dass ich an einem neuen Programm zum 
konvertieren von OSM Daten in SVG arbeite.


Kurze Eckdaten:
Das Programm ist in Java geschrieben. (Es läuft auf jedem OS)
Es exportiert Multilayer Inkscape SVG daten (was auf welchen Layer 
kommt, kann man im Stylesheet einstellen)

Das Stylesheet ist in Javascript geschrieben und einfach zu ändern.
(Jeder Tag eine Datei, Nur die Hauptinfos z.B. landuse.js defniert alle 
landuse, aber landuse=forest.js überschreibt nochmal die Farben)

Trotzdem kann man damit auch komplexere Angaben machen.
Das Programm wird, wenn es fertig ist, als OpenSource der Community 
übergeben.


Es gibt noch ein paar Erweiterungen die gemacht werden müssen, aber es 
gibt auch ein großes Problem.
Für die Pattern (landuse=forest) oder die Symbole (power=pole) werden 
SVG Grafiken verwendet.

Ich bin aber ein miserabler Grafiker und die Karte schaut so nicht gut aus.

Aktuell Blindenmarkt (meine Heimat) als SVG Datei (DirektExport) 
http://home.it-open.at/Web/blindenmarkt.svg.zip

Entpacken und mit Inkscape öffnen

Ich brauche Grafiken für Pattern und Symbole als SVG (Inkscape bevorzugt).
Es gibt Grafiken in osmarenderer aber ich bin auf der Suche nach was 
richtig gutem.

Gibt es jemanden der mir da helfen will?
Die Grafiken müssen natürllich dann auch unter einer offenen Lizenz stehen.

Wer helfen will, der soll sich bitte bei mir melden.


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Re: [Talk-at] batch update: power=sub_station

2013-11-13 Thread Andreas Labres
On 13.11.13 00:52, Rainer Fügenstein wrote:
 lt. wiki [1] wurde power=sub_station ersetzt durch
 power=substation.

NACK. Das ist ein sehr kontroversiell diskutiertes *Proposal*.

Eingeführte Tags zu ändern ist keine gute Idee, zumal ohne Not.

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Re: [Talk-at] Brauche Grafische Hilfe bei einem Programm

2013-11-13 Thread Holger Schöner
Hallo Roland,

Am 13.11.2013 09:53, schrieb Roland Schuller:
 Es gibt noch ein paar Erweiterungen die gemacht werden müssen, aber es
 gibt auch ein großes Problem.
 Für die Pattern (landuse=forest) oder die Symbole (power=pole) werden
 SVG Grafiken verwendet.
 Ich bin aber ein miserabler Grafiker und die Karte schaut so nicht gut aus.
[...]
 Ich brauche Grafiken für Pattern und Symbole als SVG (Inkscape bevorzugt).
 Es gibt Grafiken in osmarenderer aber ich bin auf der Suche nach was
 richtig gutem.
 Gibt es jemanden der mir da helfen will?
 Die Grafiken müssen natürllich dann auch unter einer offenen Lizenz stehen.

Ich bin selber kein guter Grafiker, habe aber bereits vor ähnlichen
Problemen gestanden. Es gibt inzwischen mehrere Sets frei verwendbarer
Map-Icon-Sets; die Folgenden sind die mir bekannten:
http://mapicons.nicolasmollet.com/
https://github.com/mapbox/maki
http://map-icons.com/
http://freemapsymbols.org/

Und ein etwas chaotischer Überblick:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Icons

Vielleicht ist da etwas für dich dabei?

Viele Grüße, Holger
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Re: [Talk-at] Brauche Grafische Hilfe bei einem Programm

2013-11-13 Thread thomas.flandera#inode.at
Hallo Roland,

du hast jetzt zwar die osmarender-Symbole erwähnt, aber nichts über die
mapnik-Symbole gesagt. Sind diese denn keine Möglichkeit oder bist auf der Suche
nach was besserem?

http://www.sjjb.co.uk/mapicons/contactsheet

Dann wäre die optische Ähnlichkeit - sofern gewünscht - zur Hauptkarte gegeben.

LG
Thomas

PS: Finde ich sehr gut, dass du das derartig umsetzt: Hat mich auch immer
gestört, dass alles auf einem Layer daher kam... (nur kann ich nicht
programmieren...)


 Roland Schuller sch...@gmx.at hat am 13. November 2013 um 09:53 geschrieben:
 
  Hallo !
 
  Ich habe mal geschrieben, dass ich an einem neuen Programm zum konvertieren
 von OSM Daten in SVG arbeite.
 
  Kurze Eckdaten:
  Das Programm ist in Java geschrieben. (Es läuft auf jedem OS)
  Es exportiert Multilayer Inkscape SVG daten (was auf welchen Layer kommt,
 kann man im Stylesheet einstellen)
  Das Stylesheet ist in Javascript geschrieben und einfach zu ändern.
  (Jeder Tag eine Datei, Nur die Hauptinfos z.B. landuse.js defniert alle
 landuse, aber landuse=forest.js überschreibt nochmal die Farben)
  Trotzdem kann man damit auch komplexere Angaben machen.
  Das Programm wird, wenn es fertig ist, als OpenSource der Community
 übergeben.
 
  Es gibt noch ein paar Erweiterungen die gemacht werden müssen, aber es gibt
 auch ein großes Problem.
  Für die Pattern (landuse=forest) oder die Symbole (power=pole) werden SVG
 Grafiken verwendet.
  Ich bin aber ein miserabler Grafiker und die Karte schaut so nicht gut aus.
 
  Aktuell Blindenmarkt (meine Heimat) als SVG Datei
 (DirektExport)http://home.it-open.at/Web/blindenmarkt.svg.zip
  Entpacken und mit Inkscape öffnen
 
  Ich brauche Grafiken für Pattern und Symbole als SVG (Inkscape bevorzugt).
  Es gibt Grafiken in osmarenderer aber ich bin auf der Suche nach was richtig
 gutem.
  Gibt es jemanden der mir da helfen will?
  Die Grafiken müssen natürllich dann auch unter einer offenen Lizenz stehen.
 
  Wer helfen will, der soll sich bitte bei mir melden.
 
 

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Re: [Talk-at] Brauche Grafische Hilfe bei einem Programm

2013-11-13 Thread Roland Schuller

Ich habe mir andere Symbolbibliotheken ansehen.
Das Problem ist, dass keine der Bibliotheken komplett ist.
z.B. Kann an für landuse=forest zwar ein Icon nehmen, aber man kann auch 
andere Icons für Laubwald,Nadelwald und Mischwald nehemen.  Wenn ich ein 
fixes Iconset nehme, kann ich es selbst nicht erweitern oder abändern.

Ich brauche einen durchgängigen Stil für alle Icons.

Roland

Am 2013-11-13 12:16, schrieb Holger Schöner:

Hallo Roland,

Am 13.11.2013 09:53, schrieb Roland Schuller:

Es gibt noch ein paar Erweiterungen die gemacht werden müssen, aber es
gibt auch ein großes Problem.
Für die Pattern (landuse=forest) oder die Symbole (power=pole) werden
SVG Grafiken verwendet.
Ich bin aber ein miserabler Grafiker und die Karte schaut so nicht gut aus.

[...]

Ich brauche Grafiken für Pattern und Symbole als SVG (Inkscape bevorzugt).
Es gibt Grafiken in osmarenderer aber ich bin auf der Suche nach was
richtig gutem.
Gibt es jemanden der mir da helfen will?
Die Grafiken müssen natürllich dann auch unter einer offenen Lizenz stehen.

Ich bin selber kein guter Grafiker, habe aber bereits vor ähnlichen
Problemen gestanden. Es gibt inzwischen mehrere Sets frei verwendbarer
Map-Icon-Sets; die Folgenden sind die mir bekannten:
http://mapicons.nicolasmollet.com/
https://github.com/mapbox/maki
http://map-icons.com/
http://freemapsymbols.org/

Und ein etwas chaotischer Überblick:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Icons

Vielleicht ist da etwas für dich dabei?

Viele Grüße, Holger


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[Talk-at] Einladung zum CrisisCamp Graz

2013-11-13 Thread Michael Maier
Hallo,

In Graz gibt es dieses Wochenende (am Samstag, 16.11.) einen Hackathon
zum Thema Philippinen, dazu würden wir gerne einladen:

http://pad.hackers4peace.net/p/crisiscamp-graz

Ort ist voraussichtlich die Galerie im Spektral, Essen und Getränke wird
besorgt.

Würde uns freuen, wenn sich jemand aus Graz dafür Zeit nehmen könnte!

lg, Michael

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OpenStreetMap Graz http://osm.org/go/0Iz@paV
http://wiki.osm.org/Graz
http://wiki.osm.org/Graz/Stammtisch



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Re: [Talk-at] Stolpersteine

2013-11-13 Thread Michael Maier
On 10/11/13 15:25, martin ringer wrote:
 Wie steht es eigentlich um die Eintragung der Stolpersteine?
 Wo in Österreich gibt es Orte mit Stolpersteinen?
 
 Wien, Salzburg, Graz, Mödling, Bezirk Braunau?

In Graz gibt es welche, dürfen wir eintragen. Liste kann ich besorgen,
ich hatte nur leider selber noch keine Zeit dafür.

http://www.stolpersteine-graz.at/

lg, Michael

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[OSM-talk-fr] Intégration d'un plan topographique

2013-11-13 Thread Tony Emery
Bonjour à tous,

Dans le cadre d'un projet de circuit touristique, j'ai récupéré le plan topo
d'un site archéologique et de ses alentours.

Du coup, j'ai lidée de verser les infos précieuses de ce plan comme les
arbres, les bancs, les poubelles, etc...

En parallèle, j'ai un petit soucis pour qualifier certaines infos.
- Les poteaux téléphoniques (power=pole et quoi ?)
- Les points d'altitude presque 4.000 points sur la colline d'Orange avec
une précision en z centimétrique (pour un jour améliorer le MNT).
- Les plaques et autres regards (eau, électricité, réseaux, ...)

Je suppose que cartographier chacun des poteaux d'un barrière est un peu
trop (mais je pourrais).

Avez-vous quelques idées pour qualifier tout ça ?



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[OSM-talk-fr] Nouveau sur la liste

2013-11-13 Thread Etienne Côme
Bonjour,

Je suis depuis quelques temps la liste d'un coin de l'oeil pour me tenir au
courant et je prend enfin le temps de me présenter.

Je suis chercheur à l'ifsttar et travail sur l'étude des mobilités à partir
des traces numériques de déplacement, j'utilise parfois des données OSM
dans le cadre de mes recherches et je trouve le projet OSM assez génial.

Je ne suis pas du tout actif en ce qui concerne la saisie cela viendra peut
être un jour mai je m' intéresse par contre pas mal à la carto et réutilise
donc parfois des données OSM.

 A+

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Intégration d'un plan topographique

2013-11-13 Thread david . crochet
Bonjour

- Mail original -
De: Tony Emery tony.em...@yahoo.fr


 - Les points d'altitude presque 4.000 points sur la colline d'Orange avec
 une précision en z centimétrique (pour un jour améliorer le MNT).

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dsurvey_point
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ele

 - Les plaques et autres regards (eau, électricité, réseaux, ...)

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:manhole

 Je suppose que cartographier chacun des poteaux d'un barrière est un peu
 trop (mais je pourrais).

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dfence
Oui, c'est un peu pousser un peu trop loin le mapping, mais pourquoi pas un 
nœud à chaque poteau d'une clôture sans l'étiquette en tant que tel. 


Cordialement

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[OSM-talk-fr] Changements graphiques à venir sur la page principale d'openstreetmap.org

2013-11-13 Thread Pieren
Bonjour,

Comme ceux qui ne suivent pas les discussions au niveau international
ou qui n'ont pas suivi le dernier SOTM, un changement de design de la
page principale du site openstreetmap.org est en cours de
finalisation. On peut en voir un prototype sur ce lien:
http://redesign.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/

et d'autres commentaires (en anglais) ici:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/pull/498#issuecomment-28309700

Vous pouvez y ajouter vos remarques ou commentaires ou alors
participer au fil de discussion sur la liste de diffusion
t...@openstreetmap.org .

Pieren

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