[talk-au] Mass fix-me's with very strange comments

2022-03-03 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Fixing a note yesterday arvo to add a cafe in Perth https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/118044124#map=19/-31.90414/115.86993=N, but when I moused over the next house just to check the street number, it had a Fix-Me on it, saying "21". Thinking that may be a street address, despite being next

Re: [talk-au] OSM Notes

2022-03-02 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 18:25, Ewen Hill wrote: >A lot of these notes are anonymous and therefore reminders will go into > the ether. A significant proportion more are businesses via a third party > app or two, once again, the chances of a response is slim which leaves > travellers who flag

Re: [talk-au] OSM Notes

2022-03-02 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 15:09, Stéphane Guillou via Talk-au < talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > I agree one should be cautious with closing notes > But where do we draw the line? When you look at the oldest remaining notes, there are a couple there from 6 years ago, that were raised by an

Re: [talk-au] OSM Notes

2022-03-02 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 16:16, Andrew Davidson wrote: > an active mapper I've actually just raised a suggestion in Github that the system may be able to be modified to send reminders that your notes are still active "6" months after you raised them:

Re: [talk-au] OSM Notes

2022-03-01 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 16:16, Andrew Davidson wrote: > So it comes down to the question of what is the point of keeping: > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2440403 > > or > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2079710 > > open? Thanks for mentioning those couple, Andrew, as I seem to be in

Re: [talk-au] OSM Notes

2022-03-01 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
the Oceania discord channel > and I've noticed myself, so wanted to raise it here. > > On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 at 15:46, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 at 10:34, Graeme Fitzpatrick >> wrote: >> >>> >>> As

Re: [talk-au] Driver-Reviver?

2022-02-26 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
the amenity had regular opening > hours. > > On Sun, 27 Feb 2022, 09:55 Graeme Fitzpatrick, > wrote: > >> Thanks everybody! >> >> The closest to here is an actual hut rather than a van, but yes, it only >> operates on long weekends, the first & last weekend

Re: [talk-au] Driver-Reviver?

2022-02-26 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
t; > > On Sat, 26 Feb 2022, at 12:34 PM, Dian Ågesson wrote: > >> Perhaps a simple food=yes on highway=rest_area? > >> > >> > >> > >> On 2022-02-26 11:52, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> > >>> Just spo

[talk-au] Driver-Reviver?

2022-02-25 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Just spotted one of these on a Note. Do we map them at all, & if so how? Cafe perhaps, possibly together with rest-area? Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

[talk-au] Complaint re OSM navigation

2022-02-23 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Also just spotted this note: https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3063323 I've asked them for further details so we'll see what they say? They have just added the track details to the track they were using, & to be honest, you'd wonder why you'd be driving along there not knowing what was at the

[talk-au] Secondary roads in the CBD?

2022-02-23 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Have just spotted a note in Brisbane CBD where someone has queried whether the road grid should mainly be tagged as secondary roads? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Urban_areas They are all well & truly busy, but does that count as secondary? Guidelines don't

Re: [talk-au] 2377 occurrences of fixme="unknown type of water crossing"

2022-02-22 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 13:02, Ewen Hill wrote: > > Any thoughts? > Giving it back to "the Organisation" responsible, telling them that's not acceptable & asking them to fix it? Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?

2022-02-22 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Yep, great plan. Thanks Graeme On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 05:28, wrote: > Hi all > Can I suggest the following > > 1 get community support from talk au for this process > 2 Contact Aaron and get his agreement > 3 Thorsten rolls back the wiki to an agreed state > 4 Dian tidys up the wiki > 5

Re: [talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?

2022-02-22 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Can't see it being an issue? Thanks Graeme On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 at 22:30, tabjsina wrote: > So all of Australia with the exception of Victoria is now fixed to use > capitalized state abbreviations. As mentioned before, Victoria was the > state that had a much closer (though still not entirely

Re: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?

2022-02-21 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Nice idea, thanks Dian! I've thought the same thing myself a few times but it's all too hard! I also think that a number of things there, especially with roads, are exactly teh same as the main wiki, so they shouldn't really need to be mentioned specially? Thanks Graeme On Tue, 22 Feb 2022

Re: [talk-au] Lakes around Mungo National Park

2022-02-21 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 at 17:30, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > DCS Topo Legend > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/mholling/nswtopo-legends/master/nsw.png Personally, I think the dry-lake proposal has a lot going for it - maybe we should just start using it? A comment on it's talk page

Re: [talk-au] Strange Street type (Pltn)

2022-02-20 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
& fixed! :-) Thanks again Graeme On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 at 14:29, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Thanks everybody! > > Noted to sort out a bit later :-) > > Thanks > > Graeme > > > On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 at 14:02, Andrew Harvey > wrote: > >> So

Re: [talk-au] OSM Notes

2022-02-20 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 at 10:34, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > As I write this, there are now 3543 > Sorry if I'm boring any of you? :-), but thought I'd update this to mention that after another 11 days, we are now at 2460! & please check out the graph :-) - I'm waiting eagerly

Re: [talk-au] Strange Street type (Pltn)

2022-02-20 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
- >> *From:* Mark Rattigan >> *Sent:* Monday, 21 February 2022 1:16 PM >> *To:* talk-au@openstreetmap.org ; Graeme >> Fitzpatrick >> *Subject:* Re: Strange Street type (Pltn) >> >> My guess would be Plantation, given the pine forests in the area. >>

Re: [talk-au] train tour

2022-02-20 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks mate! :-) Graeme On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 at 11:58, Luke Stewart wrote: > I've added this signal based on imagery, as well as footage from a > third-party YouTube channel where we have been given explicit permission to > use the footage for mapping. > > On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 at 12:42, Luke

[talk-au] Strange street type

2022-02-20 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Another question re Notes! On https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/1688984#map=19/-33.93526/116.02726, the OP commented "Southampton Pltn". I asked what that meant & they said it was what was on the sign‽ https://postimg.cc/TpwrMCRZ Any thoughts on Pltn? The only thing I can think of could be

Re: [talk-au] train tour

2022-02-20 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
n Mon, 21 Feb 2022 at 08:51, stevea wrote: > On Feb 20, 2022, at 2:41 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > > On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 at 18:24, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Some of ours, such as the India Pacific, are tourist only, > > > > I thought

Re: [talk-au] train tour

2022-02-20 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 at 18:24, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Some of ours, such as the India Pacific, are tourist only, I thought the IP also delivered some freight / supplies to the "towns" (alright - flyspecks!) across the Nullabor? Would that change anything at all? Thanks

Re: [talk-au] Any ID-edtor savvy mapper who could help with a Young Engineers Australia mapathon?

2022-02-16 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
I'd possibly be able to help, Mike? My laptop is sometimes a bit laggy & slow in (my very few!) online meetings though, so that may cause issues? Thanks Graeme On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 at 12:43, Michael Collinson wrote: > Hi all, > > Is there anyone who could help me co-host a Young Engineers

Re: [talk-au] Shared Zones (Or, Living Streets in car parks?)

2022-02-16 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
& after being reminded about it, I should have added my usual disclaimer that the G photos are only for illustration purposes, they were not used in any way for mapping! Thanks Graeme On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 at 09:32, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > This discussion started in response to so

Re: [talk-au] Shared Zones (Or, Living Streets in car parks?)

2022-02-16 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
This discussion started in response to something that I mapped. I was clearing a note / Inspector issue nearby & wondered why this street appeared differently on the map: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/216566993 Had a look & it was tagged as a service-alley which just didn't seem right, but

[talk-au] NSW Fire stations

2022-02-13 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Just working on fixing some tagging I did a while back on NSW Fire Stations (I tagged the buildings as building=fire_station, but then obviously hit "Q" to square them, because they're shown as =fire_stationq :-() The fire-station tag is wanting to do an auto upgrade to include the

Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

2022-02-12 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 at 14:08, Phil Wyatt wrote: > I am happy to send an email to DWG with an overview of concerns. I'd hoped somebody may have read this thread by now? > Maybe other folks can gather a listing of any desired changesets for > reversion and if all or just some wiki edits should

Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

2022-02-12 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 at 09:55, Sam Wilson wrote: > > The other thing that occurs to me about this discussion is that aaronsta > is not actually subscribed to this list — does anyone know? I might > leave a comment on the changeset instead... > Not having a go at you blokes interested in the bike

[talk-au] Help needed with railway relations please!

2022-02-11 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Come back up to the GC to work on tidying up the light rail tracks etc, which I noticed recently were a mess. Started & have immediately hit trouble as the first couple of station platforms have been tied to the tracks eg https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=20/-28.03500/153.43104

Re: [talk-au] Betty's Burgers - fast food or restaurant?

2022-02-10 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 at 18:41, stevea wrote: > > “Saucy wenches” and all. But we don't have a tag for them, do we? :-) Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] "Bad" directions on Outback roads

2022-02-09 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
No argument at all from me! Just thinking of possible options :-) On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 at 11:55, Dian Ågesson wrote: > A further thought, > > Tagging permissions that open the road in certain times, rather than close > them, could also lead to better outcomes with less sophisticated routing >

Re: [talk-au] OSM Notes

2022-02-09 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 at 13:48, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Changing subject from tracks for a minute :-), I was reading the weekly > Newsletter yesterday & spotted this article > https://www-openstreetmap-org.translate.goog/user/AngocA/diary/398423?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=

Re: [talk-au] "Bad" directions on Outback roads

2022-02-09 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 at 08:25, wrote: > > The challenge with specifying months is the "wet"/"dry" season is it is > not always fixed. > True, but if we modify Brendan's suggestion a bit to: vehicle:conditional=no @ Dec-Apr ("Road is generally impassable during the wet season - seek local

Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

2022-02-09 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki < w...@noreply.openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been > changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for > the current

Re: [talk-au] "Bad" directions on Outback roads

2022-02-08 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks, fellas! It's not an utterly stupid idea then! On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 14:46, Brendan Barnes wrote: > > If a road has definitive closure dates we might be able to utilise > opening_hours. I tried to start something similar on Victorian Alps > seasonal road closures, for example >

Re: [talk-au] "Bad" directions on Outback roads

2022-02-08 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 14:02, Brendan Barnes wrote: > Some jurisdictions do publish live traffic updates in GeoJSON, examples: > >- https://opendata.transport.nsw.gov.au/dataset/live-traffic-hazards >- > >

Re: [talk-au] "Bad" directions on Outback roads

2022-02-08 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 13:35, Michael Collinson wrote: > We have a reasonable if not perfect tagging system for a router to assess > (and make assumptions) about the quality of a road for various types of > vehicle in BEST CASE conditions. motorway versus track, tracktype, asphalt > versus

[talk-au] "Bad" directions on Outback roads

2022-02-08 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Reading this article earlier: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-08/google-maps-to-fix-routes-trapped-travellers-queensland/100805884 So what's the best way to avoid the same issues? Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] Aust. Walking Track Grading System (AWTGS)

2022-02-08 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 at 16:35, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > I prefer hiking_scale:awtgs= as you know that it is a hiking scale .. even > if you don't know what awtgs is. > Fair comment. > Routes are a different problem while the worst one could be included > .. what happens

Re: [talk-au] Aust. Walking Track Grading System (AWTGS)

2022-02-07 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 at 09:50, Andrew Harvey wrote: > I think either awtgs= or hiking_scale:awtgs= are fine, I'd say just pick > one and start a wiki page describing the tag and how it's used. > Personally, I like awtgs=*. As I raised before I'm still not sure about how it would apply to >

Re: [talk-au] Tagging a house name

2022-02-04 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 at 22:18, Michael Collinson wrote: > in Ireland a "descriptive" address "The blue house called Bob, on the > other side of the stream in the village of Inverkeith" is also formally > acceptable - this is rare globally though. > Way back in Telecom days, so ~ early 80s, I

Re: [talk-au] Tagging a house name

2022-02-03 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
I've always listed the name of units & so on just as name=*. Thanks Graeme On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 at 16:14, Mat Attlee wrote: > Whilst I was out surveying today I stumbled upon a building that had a > street number but also a house name, as just above the entrance and door > number it said

Re: [talk-au] Path versus Footway

2022-02-03 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks, both! Yep, get's very messy very quickly :-( Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Path versus Footway

2022-02-03 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 at 19:32, wrote: > I assume these National parks where different rules are in effect have a > boundary relation. > > > > In which case it would be possible to either: > > > > a) tag a def: directly on that boundary relation with the rules that apply > or (maybe better in this

Re: [talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?

2022-02-02 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 12:16, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > Assuming the suburb / locality boundaries have been mapped (which they > should not be Australia wide from an import), then data consumers can infer > the rest of the attributes. Check out Nominatim, >

Re: [talk-au] Information source question - sorry kind of lengthy.

2022-02-02 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 at 22:18, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au < talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > update a short section of road there with access=no. > =no or =private, because work crews can still drive in there to do repairs? > This achieves the main objective of stopping OSM from routing along

Re: [talk-au] Path versus Footway

2022-02-01 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 at 17:24, Phil Wyatt wrote: > > > So reading from that chart and in regard to my query about ‘tracks that > are exclusively for foot traffic’ you would say it can ONLY be a footway? > By that list, yes? Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Path versus Footway

2022-02-01 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 at 16:54, wrote: > As far as I’m concerned, footway, cycleway, path(, and bridleway) are all > essentially the same thing, a non-motor_vehicle path, just with different > implied default access restrictions. > > > > We should probably have a discussion about how appropriate

Re: [talk-au] Path versus Footway

2022-02-01 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 at 11:03, Phil Wyatt wrote: > some criteria where a footway ends and path commences > As I mentioned last week, I've started using path for just about everything just to get away from adding foot=yes to bike paths & bike=yes to footpaths :-) Thanks Graeme

Re: [talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?

2022-01-30 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 14:18, tabjsina wrote: > > Thanks all - let me know if you have any concerns or suggestions > Probably easiest, & less messy, to set several up, one for each state - it'd be OK to include ACT in NSW, or Tas in Vic Oops! : TAS in VIC :-) Thanks Graeme

Re: [talk-au] sac_scale [Was: Deletion of walking tracks/paths]

2022-01-30 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 13:28, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Threads have crossed :-(, but as per their instructions that I mentioned > in the other post, the track overall is tagged to the highest > classification, so per the example they give: > > Example: Wineg

Re: [talk-au] sac_scale [Was: Deletion of walking tracks/paths]

2022-01-30 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Sorry, that wasn't supposed to send! :-( Back in a moment! Thanks Graeme On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 13:28, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Thanks > > Graeme > > > On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 13:20, Andrew Harvey > wrote: > >> >> 2. Does the AWTGS system

Re: [talk-au] sac_scale [Was: Deletion of walking tracks/paths]

2022-01-30 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks Graeme On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 13:20, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > 2. Does the AWTGS system apply more to routes than way segments? For > example a longer route loop might have a higher grade than a shorter loop > even if they overlap for parts. Would you then only apply AWTGS on a >

Re: [talk-au] sac_scale [Was: Deletion of walking

2022-01-30 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 11:05, wrote: > > > I think we should just stick with the AWTGS as it stands. It seems to be > gaining widespread government support, and even if it is not perfect, it > seems like a standard that is going to stay with us. > So, working on this idea, looking at

Re: [talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?

2022-01-30 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 12:16, Andrew Harvey wrote: > Check out Nominatim, > https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ui/details.html?osmtype=N=6496603926=place > it shows the inherited attributes like suburb, postcode, state. > & by the look at it, in built-up areas at least, it will even ID the

Re: [talk-au] Strange e-mail address?

2022-01-30 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
et the bounce. > > > > So the link between the mailing list and gmane needs fixing, a job for the > administrator of all the openstreetmap.org lists > > > > I’ll have a poke and raise the issue with someone. > > > > Alex > > > > *From: *Graeme Fitzp

[talk-au] Strange e-mail address?

2022-01-30 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Just replied to the "Consistent addr:state format" thread as a reply all, but got an undelivered message bounce back to me. Says that message was sent to OSM-Au & OSM-Au , but public.gmane.org couldn't be found. The response was: DNS Error: 4023212 DNS type 'mx' lookup of public.gmane.org

Re: [talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?

2022-01-30 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 at 23:17, tabjsina wrote: > It looks like Qld makes up ~3700 address states and QLD is at 15000 > ("Queensland" is ~1000 as a comparison). > > I'm thinking I'll make an adjustment in the Queensland code to skip > cases that are "Qld", but otherwise (For complete errors, and >

Re: [talk-au] Water tanks as buildings?

2022-01-29 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Point. Thanks Graeme On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 at 15:53, Phil Wyatt wrote: > Was that a point or an area Graeme? > > > > *From:* Graeme Fitzpatrick > *Sent:* Sunday, 30 January 2022 4:49 PM > *To:* Phil Wyatt > *Cc:* OSM-Au > *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Water tanks as bu

Re: [talk-au] Water tanks as buildings?

2022-01-29 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 at 15:47, Adam Horan wrote: > > I've done, this which gives you a visual indication of the size of the > tank: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/47785839 > Something that size may be better as a reservoir?

Re: [talk-au] Water tanks as buildings?

2022-01-29 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 at 15:15, Phil Wyatt wrote: > That’s the standard tagging for a water tank in ID editor. > I've just tried it using the iD "water tank" preset & it only put in: content=water + man_made=storage_tank? > There will be 1,000’s of them across the globe I suspect > :-(

[talk-au] Water tanks as buildings?

2022-01-29 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Just working on notes & one of them took me here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-35.73637/137.59784 Started wondering what the little "reservoirs" were along the beach?, then noticed that the same mapper who did them, has also tagged all the rain-water tanks around the houses as

Re: [talk-au] Consistent addr:state format?

2022-01-29 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
G'day Justin & welcome! Asking any question that you've got is quite definitely the best way of doing things - thanks! I agree fully about the acronyms rather than spelling the name in full, with the exception that I personally use Qld rather than QLD. If I was down there, I'd probably also use

Re: [talk-au] sac_scale [Was: Deletion of walking tracks/paths]

2022-01-28 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 at 08:50, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > I remember seeing mention in the Tagging list a little while back re a new > way of mapping highways in Japan. > Here it is: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_JapanTagging/RoadTypes/motorroad Yes, it was rej

Re: [talk-au] sac_scale [Was: Deletion of walking tracks/paths]

2022-01-28 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 at 18:24, Phil Wyatt wrote: Thanks for the clarification. I agree that for the average punter/tourist the Australian Walking Track > Classification is the ‘simplest to understand in plain language’. Now can > we benchmark that against the sac_scale? > Do we need to? I

Re: [talk-au] sac_scale [Was: Deletion of walking tracks/paths]

2022-01-27 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Just doing some looking & spotted: https://qorf-media.s3.ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/11153757/TrackGradingSystem_UserGuide.pdf which includes Glossary AS 2156.1-2001 Walking Tracks - Classification and Signage The Australian Walking Track Grading System benchmarks to

Re: [talk-au] Deletion of walking tracks/paths

2022-01-27 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On this subject, just working through Notes & found this one: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=15/-36.0545/146.8886 (you'll have to turn Notes on to see it!), which reads: *" Private Property. The following are not public tracks/trails. TV Track, Rons Trail, Kuhne Trail, part of Gorge

Re: [talk-au] Deletion of walking tracks/paths

2022-01-27 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 at 09:34, Phil Wyatt wrote: > It certainly differs greatly in metropolitan areas – try using ‘Greater > Hobart’ as the search criteria. Seems like most folks change to path if it > in a ‘park’ of some sort and use ‘footway’ in the streets > I must admit to having recently

Re: [talk-au] Deletion of walking tracks/paths

2022-01-27 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 at 21:35, Phil Wyatt wrote: > Overpass query for Cradle Mountain National Park It all just appears to show orange path, with no red footway? Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] OSM Notes

2022-01-26 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
ding to come back and fix a few of his! > > > > Cheers - Phil > > > > *From:* Graeme Fitzpatrick > *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 January 2022 2:48 PM > *To:* OSM-Au > *Subject:* [talk-au] OSM Notes > > > > Changing subject from tracks for a minute :-), I was reading

Re: [talk-au] sac_scale [Was: Deletion of walking tracks/paths]

2022-01-26 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 at 18:01, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > Obviously river conditions change, but I think it's useful to tag what's > usually the case: > > 1. creek crossing where generall the water level is so low that you won't > have water ingress in your shoes > 2. creek crossing where your body

[talk-au] OSM Notes

2022-01-25 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Changing subject from tracks for a minute :-), I was reading the weekly Newsletter yesterday & spotted this article https://www-openstreetmap-org.translate.goog/user/AngocA/diary/398423?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=EN&_x_tr_hl=en-GB, concerning clearing up all the outstanding OSM Notes in Colombia.

Re: [talk-au] sac_scale [Was: Deletion of walking tracks/paths]

2022-01-25 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 at 19:39, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > If I were to design the ideal tag for Australia, it would be something > like: > > technicality=0-3 > > 0. Well formed, even surface (could almost walk it blindfolded). > 1. Uneven surface, trip hazards from rocks, tree roots etc. > 2. Large

Re: [talk-au] Deletion of walking tracks/paths

2022-01-24 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 at 11:26, Tom Brennan wrote: > > If the tracks were kept in OSM, but tagged appropriately so as not to > appear in the rendering, & this is the big thing. Rendering needs to show that this track shouldn't be used. Maybe access=no gets a big red X across each entrance to say

Re: [talk-au] Deletion of walking tracks/paths

2022-01-24 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 at 21:23, Andrew Harvey wrote: > I would rather they be left in the OSM and tagged in a different way for >> various reasons > > > >> but I expect we have little choice but to accept the NPWS decision. >> > > Quite the opposite, NPWS has little choice but to accept the

Re: [talk-au] Deletion of walking tracks/paths

2022-01-24 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 at 21:59, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > Inspired by the US trails group work, I thought maybe we can attempt > something localised for Australia. > Great idea! > I started sketching something out at > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australia/Walking_Tracks. If anyone >

Re: [talk-au] Deletion of walking tracks/paths

2022-01-23 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
I would have thought that may have been better being sent to DWG for action, rather than a bloke from NPWS signing up an account to just go in & delete stuff? Andrew? Thanks Graeme On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 at 15:12, nwastra nwastra wrote: > For info and with some regard to recent discussion of

Re: [talk-au] How to properly add address tags when multiple buildings share a housenumber?

2022-01-16 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 at 20:18, Peter Hardy wrote: > > Is this the right approach for doing this? > G'day Peter & welcome! Certainly the way I do it, & it seems to work! eg https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/422427220#map=19/-28.08664/153.42501 Although OSM doesn't render the number, Osmand, at

Re: [talk-au] Discord #oceania channel?

2022-01-13 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 at 10:31, Sam Wilson wrote: > And mainly I'm just wondering: how much Australia-related discussion is > happening elsewhere other than this list? > I'm curious about that as well? Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed, undocumented mass edit across all of Australia.

2022-01-13 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 18:20, wrote: > Warin, > > > > nobody says that the tagging isn’t correct for cases where the bus_stop > node is the only thing there is. > > > > But please look at: > > > > > https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/931073576893825064/unknown.png > > > >

Re: [talk-au] New blogs on unsealed roads in Victoria

2022-01-13 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Response from one of the blokes on MySwag (who much prefers quiet deserted gravel over busy bitumen roads! :-)): *Brilliant !Shall explore that one further.I did similar across Tas, from St Helens to Campania over several days which was fun.I'm looking at maps and planning a trip from the head

Re: [talk-au] New blogs on unsealed roads in Victoria

2022-01-12 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Amazing, thanks Ian! :-) Just posted it up on MySwag (http://www.myswag.org/index.php) so we'll see what the interest is there! Thanks Graeme On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 at 14:59, Little Maps wrote: > Hi folks, for everyone interested in OpenStreetMap's fantastic road data… > I've just posted a

Re: [talk-au] Help needed with OSM Inspector error

2022-01-05 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 at 10:53, stevea wrote: > > Graeme makes a request, Steve does what he can (Warin and Steve have an > on-list and off-list dialog), Steve leaves alone what he's not sure about > in the relation, Graeme confirms that "something right" happened and that > he agrees with Steve

Re: [talk-au] Tagging "boundary" roads with addr:*

2022-01-05 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 at 20:03, Ewen Hill wrote: > Hi Graeme and happy new year, >How much can you datamine from a suburb:left , suburb:right ? I would > suggest suburb polygons and street names only which would cover all > eventualities and allow for the change in the suburb area without

Re: [talk-au] Help needed with OSM Inspector error

2022-01-04 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 at 16:51, stevea wrote: > But it is a bit better than it was five minutes ago. > & has now disappeared from Inspector, so you obviously did something right :-) I'll also leave the bus route relation to somebody who knows what they're doing! Thanks Graeme

Re: [talk-au] Tagging "boundary" roads with addr:*

2022-01-03 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Would left / right help at all? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Forward_%26_backward,_left_%26_right#Left_and_right Contemplating something like: addr:name=Sandgate Road + addr:suburb:left=Clayfield + addr:suburb:right=Albion Thanks Graeme On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 at 13:52, Andrew Davidson

Re: [talk-au] Help needed with OSM Inspector error

2022-01-03 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
hundreds, > maybe thousands of routes (bus, bike, road, rail…) but as I’m a > right-hand-drive Yank and don’t know the route or local area, I defer to > others to tidy this up to perfection. But it is a bit better than it was > five minutes ago. > > SteveA > > > On Jan 2, 2

[talk-au] Help needed with OSM Inspector error

2022-01-02 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Been looking at OSM Inspector & it is showing an error on a near-by street: https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id=791590032#map=18/-28.08609/153.42409 The error is being reported as a "Way without tags". I can see a line there, which appears to be a duplicate of Christine Ave?, but no

[talk-au] US Trails Working Group

2022-01-02 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Happy New Year! Just noticed mention of this in the weekly Newsletter: https://www.openstreetmap.us/2021/12/osmus-trails-working-group Looks like something that we should be following with interest? Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list

[talk-au] Urban roads changed from Primary to Trunk

2021-12-18 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Noticed a week or so ago that one of the major arterial roads nearby has been changed from highway=primary to highway=trunk, which doesn't seem quite right, especially as it has bike lanes on each side for most of it's length, & one of the defaults for trunk is no bikes.

Re: [talk-au] First Nations flags?

2021-12-17 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks again everybody for your thoughts, & apologies if the subject is boring to you! On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 at 08:25, stevea wrote: Agree entirely, Steve, that it's a hard one, that, same as many others, probably has no answer? However, I do love: > (Maybe I am a secret vexillologist and

Re: [talk-au] First Nations flags?

2021-12-17 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 at 06:27, stevea wrote: > > My goodness, there are hundreds of them! > Thought there would have been! Do you know if many have been mapped, & if so, as what? I can see that most of those listed are for towns or villages, which would be =municipal, but how about the

Re: [talk-au] First Nations flags?

2021-12-17 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 at 18:35, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > There are quite a few Australian flags ... some not 'official'. > > I was aware of this 'one', but not that it is the only flag in the world > for a river? > > http://www.murrayriver.com.au/about-the-murray/murray-river-flag/ >

Re: [talk-au] First Nations flags?

2021-12-16 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
i editors out there? > > > > Cheers - Phil > > > > > > *From:* Graeme Fitzpatrick > *Sent:* Monday, 13 December 2021 1:53 PM > *To:* Andrew Davidson ; OSM-Au < > talk-au@openstreetmap.org> > *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] First Nations flags? > > >

Re: [talk-au] First Nations flags?

2021-12-12 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
l, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > talk-au-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is mor

Re: [talk-au] First Nations flags?

2021-12-12 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 at 08:34, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > I'll update the Oz Guidelines to include this info. > & done: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Australian_Flags Having troubles with the example images of the Aboriginal & Torres Stra

Re: [talk-au] First Nations flags?

2021-12-12 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 at 17:23, Andrew Davidson wrote: > > flag:name=Australian Aboriginal > flag:wikidata=Q1285625 > > flag:name=Torres Strait Islander > flag:wikidata=Q462621 > Thanks for that info, Andrew. & after a bit more searching last night, it turns out that they have both been

[talk-au] First Nations flags?

2021-12-11 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Just doing some mapping & spotted a group of flagpoles outside the building. First flag is Australian, which is fine, but the next two are the Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander flags. What do we call them? flag:type wiki says choices are basically national ( the main civil flag of a nation)

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: Use of Council data in OpenStreetMap

2021-12-09 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Council is the owner of the intellectual property rights, including > copyright, in the information and data provided through TRC's Online > Mapping, with the exception of licensed data. These conditions of use do > not confer on the user of TRC's Online Mapping any rights of ownership in >

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