hebdoOSM Nº 379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

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Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 379 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
*en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur :

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/9571/

Bonne lecture !

hebdoOSM ? 
Qui : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
Où : 
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hebdoOSM Nº 379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

[weeklyteam]

Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 379 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
*en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur :

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/9571/

Bonne lecture !

hebdoOSM ? 
Qui : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
Où : 
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hebdoOSM Nº 379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

[weeklyteam]

Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 379 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
*en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur :

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/9571/

Bonne lecture !

hebdoOSM ? 
Qui : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
Où : 
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently-produced-in_56718#2/8.6/108.3
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[OSM-ja] 市中免税店のタグ付けについて

[Mariko HISAKAWA/GODA]

 秋葉原〜上野あたりで活動しいる、ごうだまりぽ (id:maripogoda) と申します。
観光地でマッピングしているとよく見かける市中免税店を上手くタグ付けしたいので、
ちょっと相談させてください。

さきほどTwitterでも呟いてmuramotoさんからお返事を頂きました。
https://twitter.com/muramototomoya/status/924482493142540289
(空港などにあるDuty-freeではなく)Tax-freeと呼ばれる消費税免税店は日本の消費税法の
特有のシステムのようです。
taginfoでもduty_freeやtax_freeのようなそれっぽいタグの使用事例はなさそうです。

(参考)
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%85%8D%E7%A8%8E%E5%BA%97


私のイメージでは

「一般の家電店に免税カウンタがある」
→ shop=electronics, tax_free=yes

「外国人観光客向けの化粧品店で、パスポートを持っている人以外お断り」
→ shop=cosmetics, tax_free=only

「酒屋で、消費税免除 (tax-free) と酒税・関税免除 (duty-free) に対応している」
→ shop=alcohol, tax_free=yes, duty_free=yes

という感じでタグ付けできたらいいなと思うのですが、如何でしょうか。

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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

[Dave F]

On 28/10/2017 22:02, Warin wrote:


Maybe 'purposes' was a bit confusing, I see landuse=residential as a 
primary tag. Sub-tags are 'descriptive', 'adjective'. The 'cuisine' 
of a restaurant, or 'managed' for woods. for example.


I see landuse as the primary tag, the values used with it are 
descriptive.

There are secondary or sub tags such as 'name' that add details.


I agree 'landuse' /is/ primary' but the 'forest' value is being 
*misused* to describe various attributes of a group of trees: How 
they're managed, their size & density.






The 'landuse' tag when combined with forest is a misuse of a primary 
tag as it's being used as an adjective.


The landuse=forest will not always have trees on it. From time to time 
they may be harvested and result in no trees.


That has nothing to do with my point.





In this case, whether it's managed or not. Actually, it's use is even 
more confusing with people using it to describe the size of the area 
& density of trees, which, again, should be described with sub-tags.


The density of trees in a forestry area may change over time, Usually 
these areas are, when first planted, fairly dense in the number of 
plants then they are thinned as the trees grow to select the better 
trees to reach maturity.


Again, irrelevant to the clear stated problem.

DaveF


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Re: [Talk-cz] rozcestniky

[gorn]

Michale,

Uz jsem nabizel svuj server na hosting, nabidka samozrejme plati i na mirror. 
Napis nebo zavolej 777852582.
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Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

[Paul Johnson]

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Éric Gillet 
wrote:

> Can someone "claim ownership" of a wiki page for example by being the
> first to write it, or being the most close geographically to the feature
> described ?
>

I'm generally disinclined to say yes on this, by virtue of having a
Wikipedia background.  I wrote paragraphs on the March 8, 2005 Loowit
eruption, but today, I'd be hard stretched to find any remnant of my March
9th, 2005 edit regarding the same eruption

in
Wikipedia, even though I was there and affected by it.
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Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

[Richard]

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 03:53:12PM +0200, Blake Girardot wrote:

> And I urge us to keep trying to find a way to understand verdy's wiki
> work and work with Verdy on the wiki.

...
...

> My impression is that much of verdy's improvements are just difficult
> to understand for non wikimedia experts, difficult to explain because
> they are complicated. And add in the fact that English is not verdy's
> native language, the challenge of explaining highly technical
> wikimedia organization techniques is twice as difficult.

not only the edits relating to wikimedia are hard to understand.

Even though I had only one argument with him I have given up arguing 
with him. 
His bad English and awkward contortion of arguments make it no fun.

We should try a way to understand him?

Richard

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Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

[Paul Johnson]

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Éric Gillet 
wrote:

> 2017-10-28 14:29 GMT+02:00 Ilya Zverev :
>
>> [Philippe Verdy's] number of edits makes his work virtually unverifyable
>> and unrevertable.
>>
>
> OSM is a do-o-cracy; blaming people (especially people investing a lot of
> time) for their implication is not the way to go.
>

Meritocracy.  And I've personally struggled with this, especially with what
is more or less the smear of trunks in North America, and my well
publicised opinion of what should qualify for trunk on my continent.

Lesser so on the slow simmering edit battle for the name=* tag.  Kinda feel
like things like name=British Columbia Highway 99 shouldn't have a name=*
value at all, in favor of ref=BC 99 (currently mapped as the name tag above
and ref=99 as of last check).  This is even internally confusing as the
Transcanada Highway values for 1 and 16 are not identified as BC highways,
but as TCH highways.  So I'd be inclined as mapping the former as ref=BC 99
without a name, and 1 and 16 as ref=CA 1 and ref=CA 16 with name=* values
reflecting their proper names, not their highway numbers. Sask suffers
similar issues, what with the Sask Trunk and Sask Provincial highways (75
automatically comes to mind thanks to Emerson; but maybe they have a Texas
thing going on with a multitude of state highway systems of differing
priority).  I get that the (relatively informal) Transcanada Highway system
is closest to the US Highway System and what provincial highways are and
that there's literally no Interstate equivalent in Canada or Mexico.  But
having the entire continent on a coherent understanding would be
appreciated.
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Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

[Paul Johnson]

For someone not familiar, what seems to be the problem?  This is apparently
unrelated to Weekly OSM, which you replied, so I'm seriously confused here.

Granted, we can all be hard to work with from time to time (and I'm going
to include myself intentionally given that some of my interactions have
infamously gone to the DWG and attempting to bicycle and lane detail map
everything tertiary and higher in Portland and Oklahoma has been
occasionally been met with less than constructive criticism in regards to
relatively minor ways that some people prefer for themselves).

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 5:06 AM, Andrew Hain 
wrote:

> It is now time to talk about banning Verdy p from the wiki permanently.
>
> His behaviour over the past years makes him a contributor of net negative
> value.
>
> It is exceptionally difficult to correct any mistake that he makes and as
> a result people have cut down their contributions to the wiki or given up
> completely.
>
> He likes to tell people that they have made mistakes without trying to
> teach them what he thinks they did wrong and obfuscates changes with mass
> reformatting. It is often unclear whether he is addressing a problem that
> actually exists.
>
> He often projects his own personality deficiencies onto other people.
>
> Even in the current case where there is software that could be made more
> flexible, he only offers handwaving rather than assistance.
>
> --
> Andrew
> --
> *From:* weeklyteam 
> *Sent:* 28 October 2017 08:47:48
> *To:* talk@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23
>
> The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 379,
> is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all
> things happening in the openstreetmap world:
>
> http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/9571/
>
> Enjoy!
>
> weeklyOSM?
> who?: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages
> where?: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently-
> produced-in_56718#2/8.6/108.3
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Re: [Talk-dk] Busstoppesteder

[Michael Andersen]

Som på alle andre områder i OSM forekommer der misforståelser og da der hidtil 
ikke har været nogen videre organiseret indsats i forhold til busstoppesteder 
kan vi ikke forvente at der er nogen konsistens hvordan de er lavet.

Ifølge https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbus_stop#Bus_stop 
skal stoppestederne placeres der hvor man venter/står på bussen. Dvs på den 
side af vejen hvor busskur eller lign befinder sig.

Hvis du støder på nogle der ikke helt følger den retningslinie, er du 
velkommen til at rette dem.

On søndag den 22. oktober 2017 21.36.53 CEST Finn Hansen wrote:
> Jeg er begyndt på at opsætte busruter på fyn og har gjort det i længere
> tid, og ja busstoppestederne er ikke opdateret på fyn, det er kun nogle
> få jeg har kigget på, men jeg vil da gerne fortsætte med at sætte dem op
> med stoppestedsnavn og evt buszone på fyn, men at sætte buszoner på gør
> at vi skal være opmærksom på at de ændres fra tid til anden. Flere
> steder er jeg stødt på stoppesteder som ligger i vejen som en Node, men
> burde det ikke være sådan at stoppestederne er på hver sin side af
> vejen, især de steder hvor de ligger over for hinanden?
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/55.13412/10.66094 - Hvor den er på
> vejen
> Eller
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/55.38165/10.37287 - Hvor de ligger
> på hver sin side af vejen, dog lidt forskudt.
> 
> Jeg kunne godt tænke mig vi fik nogle retningslinjer, således at de blev
> ens, hvis muligt.
> 
> /Lytter1



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[Talk-it] Strada con limite a 5t, eccetto carico e scarico

[Dario Crespi]

Ciao,
C'è questa strada [1] dove i mezzi superiori alle 5 tonnellate non possono
passare, eccetto quelli che scaricano su quella stessa strada.
Come taggare? Per il momento ho messo solo maxweight=50

Dario

[1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/24698867#map=16/45.6062/8.8223
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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

[Warin]

On 28-Oct-17 10:54 PM, Dave F wrote:


On 27/10/2017 20:53, Warin wrote:

On 27-Oct-17 08:25 PM, Dave F wrote:
You appear to be differentiating based on size & location which, 
seeing OSM's output is visual & geospatial seems unnecessary.


*All* groups of trees are 'natural' so there should only be one 
primary tag. All "purposes" should be within sub-tags.





Your definition of 'natural' must be different for mine. :)


Quelle surprise :)



A tree that is grown in a nursery from grafted stock, planted and 
nurtured in a green house and then finally planted outside ... to me 
is not 'natural'.
A 'natural' tree grown from a seed that comes off a tree by natural 
means, falls to the ground and than grows without human interference 
to full size.


I don't really agree with this, but for the purpose of my main 
argument: 'Unifying the key tag for groups of trees'; 'natural' is 
interchangeable with your preferred 'landcover'. What key used is 
arguable, but, whichever, there should only be *one*.




--
? "All "purposes" should be within sub-tags. "
Umm  so you would remove landuse? landuse=residential would be a 
subtag .. under what?


Maybe 'purposes' was a bit confusing, I see landuse=residential as a 
primary tag. Sub-tags are 'descriptive', 'adjective'. The 'cuisine' of 
a restaurant, or 'managed' for woods. for example.


I see landuse as the primary tag, the values used with it are descriptive.
There are secondary or sub tags such as 'name' that add details.



The 'landuse' tag when combined with forest is a misuse of a primary 
tag as it's being used as an adjective.


The landuse=forest will not always have trees on it. From time to time 
they may be harvested and result in no trees.




In this case, whether it's managed or not. Actually, it's use is even 
more confusing with people using it to describe the size of the area & 
density of trees, which, again, should be described with sub-tags.


The density of trees in a forestry area may change over time, Usually 
these areas are, when first planted, fairly dense in the number of 
plants then they are thinned as the trees grow to select the better 
trees to reach maturity.


I don't bother  adding the landcover to landuse=forest as it changes and 
I'm not prepared to track that and map it.


To me the landcover is secondary to the landuse tag in forestry areas as 
one is fairly permanent while the other changes over time.







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Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

[Ilya Zverev]

To clarify, I'm on Verdy's side regarding the calendar dispute (not that I 
follow it closely). Third-party developers should improve their wiki parsers, 
not impose restrictions on pages.

But I don't like the introduction of microformats to the calendar template, 
which he made. It made reading and updating the template source harder. See the 
example and discussion:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template_talk:Calendar#What_happened_to_the_template.3F.21

I find it strange that one month Verdy makes the template harder to use for the 
sake of some software, and the next he's complaining because other people do 
the same.

Also, many of his changes are actually good. But the number of edits is so 
high, nobody will verify all of these. This is similar to imports to OSM: 
potentially good, but hard to assess. Imports and automatic edits should be 
discussed — so why not mass wiki edits?

Finally, Verdy has edited so many pages on tagging, he's probably considering 
himself an expert on tagging. And he is appearing in proposal discussions, 
enforcing the "librarian" point of view: that accepted proposals are set in 
stone, that wiki supersedes actual mapping practices. That just looks weird and 
sidetracks discussions.

Ilya
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Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

[ajt1...@gmail.com]

On 28/10/2017 14:53, Blake Girardot wrote:

...

Please read his personal page on the wiki to understand his overall
goal and why to achieve it he has made a lot (like thousands) of
edits: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Verdy_p


I've read many, many screeds written by him over the last couple of 
years, but they all come across as "never mind the quality, feel the 
width".  The text that Marcos Oliveira quoted further down the thread is 
pretty typical; you could easily refute all of points raised one by one 
("I've fixed them as soon as they were discovered", "I've been very 
tolerant", "But seriously, if I ever made some temporary real mistake, 
did I ever refuse to correct it? " etc.), but it'd be a waste of time; 
communication simply would not occur - what he's written is just 
self-deluding garbage.  There are many, many times when he's been told 
that his understanding of a particular issue doesn't match people who 
are familiar with it in the real world; but he seems to lack the skills 
to process that information.



...

I understand we can all be difficult to work with at times, and
sometimes some of us are hard to work with all the times.

Verdy, I urge you to slow down on the wiki editing,


That approach has been tried a number of times (including as I 
understand it temporary bans from editing the wiki in the past).  It 
didn't work; that ship's sailed.  The only thing that will work now is a 
permanent ban.



...

And I urge us to keep trying to find a way to understand verdy's wiki
work and work with Verdy on the wiki. He seems to be making real,
important, needed improvements that will make the wiki much better in
the long term.


I see no evidence of this.  The only edits I see (such as introducing 
unnecessary layers of categories) are harmful to the documentation of 
the OSM project as a whole.



My impression is that much of verdy's improvements are just difficult
to understand for non wikimedia experts, difficult to explain because
they are complicated.


If that's the case, then he's doing it wrong.  Let's take a simple 
example - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Derbyshire is supposed to 
be useful to local mappers and it should be easy to navigate to 
neighbouring counties.  Unfortunately it isn't due to the categorisation 
of English counties and the complete dogs breakfast that is 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Counties_in_England=history 
(primary editor Verdy p ).



...

Verdy, I really wish it was easier to understand what you were doing
and it was easier to explain,


Clearly, if it isn't possible to understand what he's doing, then he's 
not doing a good job, surely?  Currently he's at 69 "contributions" so 
far today, and they all seem entirely unrelated to documenting OSM as a 
project.


I offered to intervene in the dispute involving the WeeklyOSM calendar; 
but someone else had already been given the "mediator" job of trying to 
sort things out.  I wish them all the best, but if it doesn't work out 
then I think a permanent ban is the only option.


Let's not forget what the wiki is for - it's supposed to document OSM; 
to serve mappers.  If it fails to do that - e.g. if people like Blake 
fail to understand why edits are made - then it's failed.


Best Regards,

Andy



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Directions signalisations verticales

[Romain MEHUT]

Le 28 octobre 2017 à 15:58, Christian Quest  a
écrit :


> Je ne trouve pas la section du wiki qui décrit cela. Un lien ?
>

Oui là https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_signals:direction
"This tag only applies for nodes that are part of a way. For traffic signal
nodes placed at their real position next to the road, use direction
=* with cardinal
directions or angles as the value."

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Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

[Michael Kugelmann]

On 28.10.2017 at 19:15 Christoph Hormann wrote:

Mapping in OSM is based on do-o-cratic principles,

[...]

But the OSM wiki as a meta-project for documenting and communicating
about mapping is not a do-o-cracy on its own.  You cannot simply invest
a lot of time in the wiki and expect your ideas about how things are
supposed to be there to supersede those of others,

[...]

Very wise words! I completely agre!
+1


Best regards,
Michael.


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Reduction of size by area of exported OSM or GeoJson image

[Brian Hollinshead]

My thanks first to Rory McCann for doing this for me and to Heikki Vesanto
for also doing it and then showing me how to do it for myself. See below:

Problem: How to shrink the area of a  geojson image by a set percentage.

Solution: Use QGIS (I used v.2.18.13)


Run QGIS
go to PLUGINS, manage and install plugins
Select: Buffer by percentage, install plugin


Drag and drop the geojson file into the layers panel

Activate the Buffer by percentage plugin
Set Buffer area percentage, say 80 and OK


Right click on result line in Layers panel and Save As
In ‘Save vector layer as’ window, insert file name
Select Browse to set destination and Save
Select OK


Job done.


Thank you guys.



On 18 October 2017 at 09:33, Brian Hollinshead 
wrote:

> I am able to take an OSM or GeoJson file of County Carlow boundary and use
> in leaflet or UMap.
> I now would like a file for Carlow which is only 80% the area but the same
> shape to overlay to show the population decrease 1841 to 1851 and having
> the same lat/lon centre.
>
> I have QGIS but am not familiar with it, any suggestions most welcome,
> thank you.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

[Christoph Hormann]

On Saturday 28 October 2017, Éric Gillet wrote:
>
> That's what I meant by do-o-cracy, and I think it applies all the
> same to the wiki, which really is a part of the OSM project.

I was understanding do-o-cracy as a political philosophy here where 
influence and power of individuals is based on how much they do.

And i tried to explain that if you'd apply this to the OSM wiki in 
isolation it would not be able to fulfill its function in OSM in the 
long term any more.  For that influence and power of people on the wiki 
needs to be influenced by how beneficial their work is for OSM as a 
whole.  I am not claiming this is easy to determine but it should be 
the benchmark to apply - which is what i am suggesting everyone to do 
here.

-- 
Christoph Hormann
http://www.imagico.de/

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Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

[Marcos Oliveira]

I will quote what Verdy_p relayed to me during one of our conversations:

Given that this is an ad nominem attack, compeltely unjustified by the fact
> that this single person completely ignores the lot of things for which I've
> received many thank-you on making the wiki internationalized, with many non
> working links fixed, helping many people having what they intended working,
> resolving many complex issues,



I prefer not reply there: such indirect attacks where I'm cited without
> even being informed, an on a mailing list space where I'm not involved,
> such thing is illusory. I've done many things for lot of other people and
> also contantly helped cleaning lots of spams on the wiki.


> He speaks about my supposed "errors", yes this may happen (like from
> everyone else), but I've fixed them as soon as they were discovered.


> He criticizes me only because he does not want to update its own website
> when he developed a broken wiki parser that is not even able to parse the
> basic standard wiki syntax correctly. I even managed to help him for his
> parser by making sure that the wiki syntax on a single page was using more
> strict rules, but he has argued that that page (the calendar) required only
> a city name and country name separated by a single comma, and thought that
> there was a fixed number of commas in the events description. Which has
> always been wrong.


> That calendar page since the beginning years ago was very open. Instead of
> fixing the result produced by its parser before publishing his external
> website (he really uses manual edit to integrate it on his German website),
> for just reviewing the content before publishing it there, he wants to add
> restrictions or complications on the wiki such as forcing users to type
> unreadable wiki code with %XX encoding (which has never been a goal), and
> removing/renaming pages that he can't parse or link correctly within his
> website, because of of its broken parser (which is just a helper used only
> by him, and completely not open, so no one else than him can help fixing
> it).


> He is arguing that this calendar is made for his site, which is wrong as
> the wiki has used the calendar for the wiki itself as a first goal, and
> then people wanted to use it to other sites: there's a standard for it, and
> it is the "microformat" which I have finally implemented (it was requested
> by others since long, even before he started his own blog site, which was
> also not working at all and unpublished in some long periods).


> I've offered him requests for improvements, but he refuses to get details
> about how to open this calendar (not just for his website, but for any
> other website that may want to republish these events announcement). I
> proposed to use templates, but as I know that his broken parser will not
> support it at all, I needed discussions with him so that we could agree on
> a format.


> I've demonstrated to him that Microformats were the solution, but it's
> true that we could go with more detailed microformats: but it would make
> the wiki editing even more complicate without custom templates to simplify
> the syntax in a way that does not require technical knowledge to make it
> work: so the Calendar page shows and details why things are done the
> current way, gives all info needed, with examples that are easy to
> reproduce: the document action initially was not there at all, and I've
> made all these documentation by taking into account his own needs.


> So I've been very tolerant about his needs and made very significant
> progresses in his direction. Still he denies that fact, as if I did nothing
> and rejected all he wanted. In fact he has made nothing to help fix the
> issues and maintain the wiki. I've documented everything I have done, and
> discussed with everyone. Also if I made some unexpected errors (often hard
> to track because this is most often an old undocumented behavior), not only
> I fixed it but also documented what was missing.


> Many things I've done are related to internationalization to make the wiki
> suitable for all languages (including those written RTL such as Arabic or
> Hebrew, or where there were assumptions about ASCII or English only when it
> was not necessary or wrong, so that the layout remains correct for
> everyone). Most of the times these are tricky cases that most wiki editors
> are unable to understand or locate in their written wikicode. I've not
> removed any content but made it accessible as much as possible to everyone.


> Without my progressive work the wiki would be like it was years ago, with
> a lot of unlinked pages, and almost no navigation, difficulties to locate
> the information. And many other tools would not even refer to the wiki as
> they do now (notably in OSM editors). And people can now really use the
> wiki in any language. Create translations when they want, find these
> translations were available, and have these translations used.


> So 

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

[Éric Gillet]

2017-10-28 19:15 GMT+02:00 Christoph Hormann :

> A quick note - since i think it is important to make this distinction:
>
> But the OSM wiki as a meta-project for documenting and communicating
> about mapping is not a do-o-cracy on its own.  You cannot simply invest
> a lot of time in the wiki and expect your ideas about how things are
> supposed to be there to supersede those of others, especially those who
> might not spend so much time on the wiki but on other OSM related
> things and who rightfully expect to be able to use the wiki for those
> activities.


This is a really hard subject to tackle. Everyone prefer to have their own
idea/ways validated by others. It is always hard to be corrected, or having
its work replaced by an equally valid work.
The underlying questions I believe are how much one's work should be
immutable ? Can someone "claim ownership" of a wiki page for example by
being the first to write it, or being the most close geographically to the
feature described ?

I do think that one shouldn't expect to have their ideas/work unchallenged
and untouched on OSM. As it is a public work, and
contributors/contributions are expected to be equal, the only way of
expressing their opinion is by contributing in content or discussion. If
you do neither, or fail to provide valid objections to subsequent
modifications, why would one's previous contribution prevail over later
work ?

That's what I meant by do-o-cracy, and I think it applies all the same to
the wiki, which really is a part of the OSM project.
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Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

[Christoph Hormann]

On Saturday 28 October 2017, Éric Gillet wrote:
> [...] OSM is a do-o-cracy; blaming people
> (especially people investing a lot of time) for their implication is
> not the way to go.

A quick note - since i think it is important to make this distinction:

Mapping in OSM is based on do-o-cratic principles, always subject to the 
basic principles of mapping we have of course 
(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/How_We_Map).

But the OSM wiki as a meta-project for documenting and communicating 
about mapping is not a do-o-cracy on its own.  You cannot simply invest 
a lot of time in the wiki and expect your ideas about how things are 
supposed to be there to supersede those of others, especially those who 
might not spend so much time on the wiki but on other OSM related 
things and who rightfully expect to be able to use the wiki for those 
activities.  The wiki is a means to facilitate better mapping and 
social interaction between mappers, not a platform to express yourself 
independent of that.

This is not meant to put blame on anyone here but i would suggest 
everyone to evaluate things under the question if what the different 
people desire and argue for has a clear benefit for OSM and the OSM 
community beyond the wiki itself.

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Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

[James]

if its friday afternoon I'm available as well

On Oct 28, 2017 12:29 PM, "Kent Jacobs"  wrote:

> Tracey, would you be willing to look into room availability for Friday,
> Nov 17th?
>
> John, I know that students can access Wi-Fi through their student
> accounts. They should have a guest access as well.
>
> Kent
> --
> *From:* john whelan 
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 28, 2017 12:06:56 PM
> *To:* Kent Jacobs
> *Cc:* talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon
>
> I'd go Friday then as making it easier for the students to attend should
> get a few more in and they are the target after all.  I don't think you
> need that many helpers unless the number of students is very high.
>
> Those who aren't students will probably need wifi setting up.  An overhead
> projector with a laptop would be helpful.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 28 October 2017 at 11:11, Kent Jacobs  wrote:
>
>> The advantage of having it on a Friday would be that students would
>> already be on campus.
>>
>> Kent
>> --
>> *From:* john whelan 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 28, 2017 11:05:37 AM
>> *To:* Kent Jacobs
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon
>>
>> I can make it work but mon-fri works better because the buses are easier.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> On 28 October 2017 at 10:54, Kent Jacobs  wrote:
>>
>>> Would Saturday afternoon (Nov. 18) work for everybody?
>>>
>>> Kent
>>> --
>>> *From:* James 
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:58:12 PM
>>> *To:* Tracey P. Lauriault
>>> *Cc:* Kent Jacobs; John Marshall; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon
>>>
>>> On the weekend, people might be more available(work and school might
>>> prevent people)
>>>
>>> On Oct 26, 2017 3:52 PM, "Tracey P. Lauriault" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Once you have a date let me know and I can check in on space.  THe
 ateium is grand, food is a monopoly situation, but if during the weekend we
 can work around stuff.


 On Thursday, October 26, 2017, James  wrote:

> Setting a time would also be in order, but I imagine this has to be
> figured out based on availability of rooms
>
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Kent Jacobs 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you all for the responses!
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like to have this during OSM Geoweek, but that week is
>> approaching quickly. It would make sense to first designate a time and
>> space to hold the Mapathon. I was thinking November 16th or 17th.
>> This is after Nov. 14th event at the Royal Canadian Geographic
>> Society where I believe Statistics Canada will be giving a presentation 
>> on
>> their OSM project (https://twitter.com/CarletonD
>> GES/status/920993927934574592).
>>
>>
>>
>> I am very familiar with the Carleton campus, so Loeb building could
>> be an option since it is the location of the Geography department. 
>> Tracey,
>> I hear that Richcraft Hall is the nicest building on campus though.
>>  If anybody else is familiar with Carleton’s campus I’m open to
>> location ideas.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kent
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Tracey P. Lauriault [mailto:tlaur...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* October 26, 2017 9:01 AM
>> *To:* John Marshall 
>> *Cc:* James ; Kent Jacobs ;
>> Talk-CA OpenStreetMap 
>> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon
>>
>>
>>
>> I am glad I provided the *How NOT to do* template ;)
>>
>> Let me know when it is on and if I am free I will join!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:38 AM, John Marshall 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm also available.
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 26, 2017 06:17, "James"  wrote:
>>
>> Hey Kent, I'd be glad to help out :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 26, 2017 12:51 AM, "Kent Jacobs" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all!
>>
>>
>>
>> I am a Masters of Science student in the Geography department at
>> Carleton University studying Quality Assessment of OSM data for my 
>> thesis.
>> I am also currently employed at Employment and Social Development Canada 
>> as
>> a Geomatics Technician where I have been promoting the use of OSM data
>> within the department.
>>
>>
>>
>> I discussed the idea of a possible mapathon at Carleton University
>> with Statistics Canada, the Carleton Geography department and Mapbox. I 
>> am

Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

[Kent Jacobs]

Tracey, would you be willing to look into room availability for Friday, Nov 
17th?

John, I know that students can access Wi-Fi through their student accounts. 
They should have a guest access as well.

Kent

From: john whelan 
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 12:06:56 PM
To: Kent Jacobs
Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

I'd go Friday then as making it easier for the students to attend should get a 
few more in and they are the target after all.  I don't think you need that 
many helpers unless the number of students is very high.

Those who aren't students will probably need wifi setting up.  An overhead 
projector with a laptop would be helpful.

Cheerio John

On 28 October 2017 at 11:11, Kent Jacobs 
> wrote:
The advantage of having it on a Friday would be that students would already be 
on campus.

Kent

From: john whelan >
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 11:05:37 AM
To: Kent Jacobs

Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

I can make it work but mon-fri works better because the buses are easier.

Cheerio John

On 28 October 2017 at 10:54, Kent Jacobs 
> wrote:
Would Saturday afternoon (Nov. 18) work for everybody?

Kent

From: James >
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:58:12 PM
To: Tracey P. Lauriault
Cc: Kent Jacobs; John Marshall; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap

Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

On the weekend, people might be more available(work and school might prevent 
people)

On Oct 26, 2017 3:52 PM, "Tracey P. Lauriault" 
> wrote:
Once you have a date let me know and I can check in on space.  THe ateium is 
grand, food is a monopoly situation, but if during the weekend we can work 
around stuff.


On Thursday, October 26, 2017, James 
> wrote:
Setting a time would also be in order, but I imagine this has to be figured out 
based on availability of rooms

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Kent Jacobs  wrote:
Thank you all for the responses!

I would like to have this during OSM Geoweek, but that week is approaching 
quickly. It would make sense to first designate a time and space to hold the 
Mapathon. I was thinking November 16th or 17th. This is after Nov. 14th event 
at the Royal Canadian Geographic Society where I believe Statistics Canada will 
be giving a presentation on their OSM project 
(https://twitter.com/CarletonDGES/status/920993927934574592).

I am very familiar with the Carleton campus, so Loeb building could be an 
option since it is the location of the Geography department. Tracey, I hear 
that Richcraft Hall is the nicest building on campus though.  If anybody else 
is familiar with Carleton’s campus I’m open to location ideas.

Kent

From: Tracey P. Lauriault [mailto:tlaur...@gmail.com]
Sent: October 26, 2017 9:01 AM
To: John Marshall 
Cc: James ; Kent Jacobs ; Talk-CA 
OpenStreetMap 
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

I am glad I provided the How NOT to do template ;)
Let me know when it is on and if I am free I will join!

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:38 AM, John Marshall  wrote:
I'm also available.

John

On Oct 26, 2017 06:17, "James"  wrote:
Hey Kent, I'd be glad to help out :)

On Oct 26, 2017 12:51 AM, "Kent Jacobs"  wrote:
Hello all!

I am a Masters of Science student in the Geography department at Carleton 
University studying Quality Assessment of OSM data for my thesis. I am also 
currently employed at Employment and Social Development Canada as a Geomatics 
Technician where I have been promoting the use of OSM data within the 
department.

I discussed the idea of a possible mapathon at Carleton University with 
Statistics Canada, the Carleton Geography department and Mapbox. I am reaching 
out (similar to Tim’s post above) to find additional OSM mappers to assist us 
with the mapathon. I am fairly experienced with OSM myself but I have never led 
a mapathon event. I am aware of COMS2200 issues with contributions and do not 
want a repeat of this.  I believe focusing on the OSM Canada Task Manager and 
rural/remote regions will help avoid poor contributions.

Any help is much appreciated!

Regards,
Kent


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Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

[john whelan]

I'd go Friday then as making it easier for the students to attend should
get a few more in and they are the target after all.  I don't think you
need that many helpers unless the number of students is very high.

Those who aren't students will probably need wifi setting up.  An overhead
projector with a laptop would be helpful.

Cheerio John

On 28 October 2017 at 11:11, Kent Jacobs  wrote:

> The advantage of having it on a Friday would be that students would
> already be on campus.
>
> Kent
> --
> *From:* john whelan 
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 28, 2017 11:05:37 AM
> *To:* Kent Jacobs
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon
>
> I can make it work but mon-fri works better because the buses are easier.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 28 October 2017 at 10:54, Kent Jacobs  wrote:
>
>> Would Saturday afternoon (Nov. 18) work for everybody?
>>
>> Kent
>> --
>> *From:* James 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:58:12 PM
>> *To:* Tracey P. Lauriault
>> *Cc:* Kent Jacobs; John Marshall; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon
>>
>> On the weekend, people might be more available(work and school might
>> prevent people)
>>
>> On Oct 26, 2017 3:52 PM, "Tracey P. Lauriault" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Once you have a date let me know and I can check in on space.  THe
>>> ateium is grand, food is a monopoly situation, but if during the weekend we
>>> can work around stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 26, 2017, James  wrote:
>>>
 Setting a time would also be in order, but I imagine this has to be
 figured out based on availability of rooms

 On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Kent Jacobs 
 wrote:

> Thank you all for the responses!
>
>
>
> I would like to have this during OSM Geoweek, but that week is
> approaching quickly. It would make sense to first designate a time and
> space to hold the Mapathon. I was thinking November 16th or 17th.
> This is after Nov. 14th event at the Royal Canadian Geographic
> Society where I believe Statistics Canada will be giving a presentation on
> their OSM project (https://twitter.com/CarletonD
> GES/status/920993927934574592).
>
>
>
> I am very familiar with the Carleton campus, so Loeb building could be
> an option since it is the location of the Geography department. Tracey, I
> hear that Richcraft Hall is the nicest building on campus though. 
> If anybody else is familiar with Carleton’s campus I’m open to location
> ideas.
>
>
>
> Kent
>
>
>
> *From:* Tracey P. Lauriault [mailto:tlaur...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* October 26, 2017 9:01 AM
> *To:* John Marshall 
> *Cc:* James ; Kent Jacobs ;
> Talk-CA OpenStreetMap 
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon
>
>
>
> I am glad I provided the *How NOT to do* template ;)
>
> Let me know when it is on and if I am free I will join!
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:38 AM, John Marshall 
> wrote:
>
> I'm also available.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Oct 26, 2017 06:17, "James"  wrote:
>
> Hey Kent, I'd be glad to help out :)
>
>
>
> On Oct 26, 2017 12:51 AM, "Kent Jacobs"  wrote:
>
> Hello all!
>
>
>
> I am a Masters of Science student in the Geography department at
> Carleton University studying Quality Assessment of OSM data for my thesis.
> I am also currently employed at Employment and Social Development Canada 
> as
> a Geomatics Technician where I have been promoting the use of OSM data
> within the department.
>
>
>
> I discussed the idea of a possible mapathon at Carleton University
> with Statistics Canada, the Carleton Geography department and Mapbox. I am
> reaching out (similar to Tim’s post above) to find additional OSM mappers
> to assist us with the mapathon. I am fairly experienced with OSM myself 
> but
> I have never led a mapathon event. I am aware of COMS2200 issues with
> contributions and do not want a repeat of this.  I believe focusing
> on the OSM Canada Task Manager and rural/remote regions will help avoid
> poor contributions.
>
>
>
> Any help is much appreciated!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Kent
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-it] Manutentori attrezzature antincendio

[Aury88]

credo che più che riparazione si intenda il servizio di sorveglianza
controllo e revisione a cui tutti i presidi antincendio vanno sottoposti
periodicamente. più un maintenance che una riparazione quindi, ma mi piace
lo schema di quella proposta.

non capisco solo una cosa...con quei tag si intende anche che vengono
venduti quelle tipologie di oggetti o è solo riparazione?



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Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

[Kent Jacobs]

The advantage of having it on a Friday would be that students would already be 
on campus.

Kent

From: john whelan 
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 11:05:37 AM
To: Kent Jacobs
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

I can make it work but mon-fri works better because the buses are easier.

Cheerio John

On 28 October 2017 at 10:54, Kent Jacobs 
> wrote:
Would Saturday afternoon (Nov. 18) work for everybody?

Kent

From: James >
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:58:12 PM
To: Tracey P. Lauriault
Cc: Kent Jacobs; John Marshall; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap

Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

On the weekend, people might be more available(work and school might prevent 
people)

On Oct 26, 2017 3:52 PM, "Tracey P. Lauriault" 
> wrote:
Once you have a date let me know and I can check in on space.  THe ateium is 
grand, food is a monopoly situation, but if during the weekend we can work 
around stuff.


On Thursday, October 26, 2017, James 
> wrote:
Setting a time would also be in order, but I imagine this has to be figured out 
based on availability of rooms

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Kent Jacobs  wrote:
Thank you all for the responses!

I would like to have this during OSM Geoweek, but that week is approaching 
quickly. It would make sense to first designate a time and space to hold the 
Mapathon. I was thinking November 16th or 17th. This is after Nov. 14th event 
at the Royal Canadian Geographic Society where I believe Statistics Canada will 
be giving a presentation on their OSM project 
(https://twitter.com/CarletonDGES/status/920993927934574592).

I am very familiar with the Carleton campus, so Loeb building could be an 
option since it is the location of the Geography department. Tracey, I hear 
that Richcraft Hall is the nicest building on campus though.  If anybody else 
is familiar with Carleton’s campus I’m open to location ideas.

Kent

From: Tracey P. Lauriault [mailto:tlaur...@gmail.com]
Sent: October 26, 2017 9:01 AM
To: John Marshall 
Cc: James ; Kent Jacobs ; Talk-CA 
OpenStreetMap 
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

I am glad I provided the How NOT to do template ;)
Let me know when it is on and if I am free I will join!

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:38 AM, John Marshall  wrote:
I'm also available.

John

On Oct 26, 2017 06:17, "James"  wrote:
Hey Kent, I'd be glad to help out :)

On Oct 26, 2017 12:51 AM, "Kent Jacobs"  wrote:
Hello all!

I am a Masters of Science student in the Geography department at Carleton 
University studying Quality Assessment of OSM data for my thesis. I am also 
currently employed at Employment and Social Development Canada as a Geomatics 
Technician where I have been promoting the use of OSM data within the 
department.

I discussed the idea of a possible mapathon at Carleton University with 
Statistics Canada, the Carleton Geography department and Mapbox. I am reaching 
out (similar to Tim’s post above) to find additional OSM mappers to assist us 
with the mapathon. I am fairly experienced with OSM myself but I have never led 
a mapathon event. I am aware of COMS2200 issues with contributions and do not 
want a repeat of this.  I believe focusing on the OSM Canada Task Manager and 
rural/remote regions will help avoid poor contributions.

Any help is much appreciated!

Regards,
Kent


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Drive

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Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

[Kent Jacobs]

Would Saturday afternoon (Nov. 18) work for everybody?

Kent

From: James 
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 3:58:12 PM
To: Tracey P. Lauriault
Cc: Kent Jacobs; John Marshall; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

On the weekend, people might be more available(work and school might prevent 
people)

On Oct 26, 2017 3:52 PM, "Tracey P. Lauriault" 
> wrote:
Once you have a date let me know and I can check in on space.  THe ateium is 
grand, food is a monopoly situation, but if during the weekend we can work 
around stuff.


On Thursday, October 26, 2017, James 
> wrote:
Setting a time would also be in order, but I imagine this has to be figured out 
based on availability of rooms

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Kent Jacobs  wrote:
Thank you all for the responses!

I would like to have this during OSM Geoweek, but that week is approaching 
quickly. It would make sense to first designate a time and space to hold the 
Mapathon. I was thinking November 16th or 17th. This is after Nov. 14th event 
at the Royal Canadian Geographic Society where I believe Statistics Canada will 
be giving a presentation on their OSM project 
(https://twitter.com/CarletonDGES/status/920993927934574592).

I am very familiar with the Carleton campus, so Loeb building could be an 
option since it is the location of the Geography department. Tracey, I hear 
that Richcraft Hall is the nicest building on campus though.  If anybody else 
is familiar with Carleton’s campus I’m open to location ideas.

Kent

From: Tracey P. Lauriault [mailto:tlaur...@gmail.com]
Sent: October 26, 2017 9:01 AM
To: John Marshall 
Cc: James ; Kent Jacobs ; Talk-CA 
OpenStreetMap 
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Carleton University Mapathon

I am glad I provided the How NOT to do template ;)
Let me know when it is on and if I am free I will join!

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:38 AM, John Marshall  wrote:
I'm also available.

John

On Oct 26, 2017 06:17, "James"  wrote:
Hey Kent, I'd be glad to help out :)

On Oct 26, 2017 12:51 AM, "Kent Jacobs"  wrote:
Hello all!

I am a Masters of Science student in the Geography department at Carleton 
University studying Quality Assessment of OSM data for my thesis. I am also 
currently employed at Employment and Social Development Canada as a Geomatics 
Technician where I have been promoting the use of OSM data within the 
department.

I discussed the idea of a possible mapathon at Carleton University with 
Statistics Canada, the Carleton Geography department and Mapbox. I am reaching 
out (similar to Tim’s post above) to find additional OSM mappers to assist us 
with the mapathon. I am fairly experienced with OSM myself but I have never led 
a mapathon event. I am aware of COMS2200 issues with contributions and do not 
want a repeat of this.  I believe focusing on the OSM Canada Task Manager and 
rural/remote regions will help avoid poor contributions.

Any help is much appreciated!

Regards,
Kent


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Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

[Éric Gillet]

[Citation needed]

More seriously, could you please list multiple objective instances of "net
negative value" edits ?

Let's not jump on the bandwagon of banning someone because some disagree
with his contributions, based on this single issue presented in OSM weekly.

2017-10-28 12:06 GMT+02:00 Andrew Hain :

> It is now time to talk about banning Verdy p from the wiki permanently.
>
> His behaviour over the past years makes him a contributor of net negative
> value.
>
> It is exceptionally difficult to correct any mistake that he makes and as
> a result people have cut down their contributions to the wiki or given up
> completely.
>
> He likes to tell people that they have made mistakes without trying to
> teach them what he thinks they did wrong and obfuscates changes with mass
> reformatting. It is often unclear whether he is addressing a problem that
> actually exists.
>
> He often projects his own personality deficiencies onto other people.
>
> Even in the current case where there is software that could be made more
> flexible, he only offers handwaving rather than assistance.
>
> --
> Andrew
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> *To:* talk@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23
>
> The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 379,
> is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all
> things happening in the openstreetmap world:
>
> http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/9571/
>
> Enjoy!
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Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

[Éric Gillet]

2017-10-28 14:29 GMT+02:00 Ilya Zverev :

> [Philippe Verdy's] number of edits makes his work virtually unverifyable
> and unrevertable.
>

Without regard to the (objective?) quality of his work, you convey that he
is to blame because of his important implication to the project ?
AFAIK he does not circumveit moderating processes, and not using
"automated" tools. OSM is a do-o-cracy; blaming people (especially people
investing a lot of time) for their implication is not the way to go.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Directions signalisations verticales

[Christian Quest]

Un noeud highway=traffic_signals est :
- soit unique au carrefour entre plusieurs way:  il indique qu'il y a un
feu à ce carrefour, sans plus de détail et c'est déjà pas mal.
- soit sur un des way qui arrive au carrefour
- jamais seul en dehors d'un way

Dans le second cas, si la rue n'est pas en sens unique, on peut indiquer
dans quel sens le feu s'applique si il ne s'applique que dans un sens. Le
sens est celui du way qui le porte, forward quand il régule le traffic dans
le sens du way, backward quand il régule le traffic dans le sens inverse du
way.


Le 28 octobre 2017 à 14:36, marc marc  a écrit :

>
> Je ne comprend d'ailleurs pas la section qui parle du cas où le feu est
> tag à l'endroit de son poteau sur le côté de la route vu que je ne vois
> pas comment on peux séparer les tag entre "le feu physique" et "l'effet
> du feu sur la route"
>

Je ne trouve pas la section du wiki qui décrit cela. Un lien ?

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Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

[Blake Girardot]

Greetings,

As someone who has worked with Verdy P on a daily basis over the past
few months, I find his wiki editing and organizing to be very good. He
knows what he is doing. He is probably a top expert in wikimedia
editing and organization, especially as it relates to the
translateability of our wiki content, making it much more
translateable. A very noble and critical goal.

Please read his personal page on the wiki to understand his overall
goal and why to achieve it he has made a lot (like thousands) of
edits: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Verdy_p

I understand we can all be difficult to work with at times, and
sometimes some of us are hard to work with all the times.

Verdy, I urge you to slow down on the wiki editing, listen to the
advice and issues others are raising about your edits and interactions
and let everyone catch up and understand your editing and organization
improvements. You can be really hard to keep up with :) This is the
same advice I put on your personal wiki talk page last year :)

And I urge us to keep trying to find a way to understand verdy's wiki
work and work with Verdy on the wiki. He seems to be making real,
important, needed improvements that will make the wiki much better in
the long term.

My impression is that much of verdy's improvements are just difficult
to understand for non wikimedia experts, difficult to explain because
they are complicated. And add in the fact that English is not verdy's
native language, the challenge of explaining highly technical
wikimedia organization techniques is twice as difficult.

I am no wiki expert so I can only look at from a user's perspective.

He blasted through a bunch of HOT related wiki pages and I was mad he
made a lot of changes I did not understand. I think I complained once
and got blown off. Now that I better understand his underlying goal,
translateability, and I see that his changes have not really affected
anything from my user perspective, I am fine with his changes. I am ok
with the fact that he does know a lot more about it than I do, and I
trust his work to be improvements as I have seen it first hand as it
relates to translations of wiki pages.

Verdy, I really wish it was easier to understand what you were doing
and it was easier to explain, I really hope you can slow down and
focus on bringing everyone else who is concerned about your edits to
an understanding of your methods and reasons as I will really be sad
and you get banned from the wiki and in the long term OSM Wiki will be
worse off without you contributing your expertise to it.

Respectfully,
Blake


On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 2:29 PM, Ilya Zverev  wrote:
> I agree.
>
> Verdy p is very hard to work with on the wiki, and his number of edits makes 
> his work virtually unverifyable and unrevertable. I assume has has alienated 
> a lot of wiki contributors, including few people I know.
>
> Ilya
>
> Andrew Hain wrote:
>> It is now time to talk about banning Verdy p from the wiki permanently. His 
>> behaviour over the past years makes him a contributor of net negative value. 
>> It is exceptionally difficult to correct any mistake that he makes and as a 
>> result people have cut down their contributions to the wiki or given up 
>> completely. He likes to tell people that they have made mistakes without 
>> trying to teach them what he thinks they did wrong and obfuscates changes 
>> with mass reformatting. It is often unclear whether he is addressing a 
>> problem that actually exists. He often projects his own personality 
>> deficiencies onto other people. Even in the current case where there is 
>> software that could be made more flexible, he only offers handwaving rather 
>> than assistance.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Rapprochement Bano

[Christian Quest]

Oui, tile.openstreetmap.fr est down (osm13 pour être exact*), par contre,
le rendu BANO n'est pas généré par ce serveur et fonctionne très bien dans
JOSM.

J'ai dégommé du rouge ce matin sans problème.


* on est sur le coup, mais la machine est totalement injoignable (pas de
réponse aux ping), donc pas de SSH et intervention sur site nécessaire...


Le 28 octobre 2017 à 13:21, Julien Lepiller  a écrit :

> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 13:04:10 +0200
> osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
>
> > Ceci dit je n'empêche pas les autres de dégommer du rouge dans ces
> > zones : bien des noms de rues peuvent être trouvés par ailleurs,
> > c'est justement la base de la mesure de 160 000 (soit 5 rues par
> > commune en moyenne). Et oui tomber à 0 serait un bon objectif.
> >
> > Jean-Yvon
>
> En parlant de dégommer du rouge, http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/ a l'air
> dans les choux. Du coup, pas moyen d'avoir le rendu bano ou zone à
> mapper.
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Re: [Talk-it] Mappatura di oggetti "virtuali"

[Andrea Albani]

Vedo che questi punti, per molti degli intervenuti, danno in qualche modo
noia.
Una questione, direi formale, che salta fuori dopo ben 6 anni di presenza
di questi 600 e passa nodi sul territorio italiano.

Cavolo! se erano così problematici in tutto questo tempo dovevano già
essere stati discussi e rimossi!

Io trovo che ci sono un sacco elementi da aggiustare o territori ancora da
mappare su cui potremmo orientare i nostri sforzi

Personalmente sono per lasciarli questi nodi. Volete un motivo ? per
usucapione. :) E poi chi ci dice che non ci sia qualcuno che li sta usando
da tempo in modo proficuo per qualche sua applicazione ?

Ciao



Il giorno 26 ottobre 2017 20:51, David Paleino  ha
scritto:

> Buonasera a tutti,
>
> (ben ritrovati!)
>
> Vi segnalo http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/9603572 . Dal mio
> passato di mappatore non vedo problemi in quel mio changeset; è cambiato
> qualcosa nell'approccio ai dati inseribili?
>
> Ora, siccome non ho né il tempo, né la voglia di controbattere ancora a
> Lola Fox, sto scrivendo qui per accertarmi di non aver preso un abbaglio 6
> anni fa (urca, SEI*).
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> Ciao,
> David
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[Talk-cz] WeeklyOSM CZ 375

[Tom Ka]

Ahoj, je dostupné vydání 375 týdeníku WeeklyOSM:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/cz/archives/9500

* GPX animace z Elbe-Labe.
* Mapování metra.
* Slogany a loga z Commons v OSM.
* Osobní tagovací presety.
* Nový systém tagování vzdělávání.
* Souhrn výsledků z GSoC.
* Tagy wikidata a automatické editace.
* Pravidla placeného mapování.
* Všechna videa ze SotM online.
* Osmose a zna4ky z Mapillary.

Pěkné počtení ...

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Directions signalisations verticales

[marc marc]

Bonjour,


Le 28. 10. 17 à 14:12, Axelos a écrit :
> Le 27/10/2017 à 12:09, marc marc a écrit :
>> @Axelos:
>> Dans le cas de feux, la page dit que le tag direction permet de savoir
>> dans quel direction le feu s'applique, cela n'a donc pas de lien avec le
>> fait d'avoir le noeud tagé à sa position ou tagé sur le chemin qui
>> s'applique
> Bien que je sois plutôt mauvais en anglais, étrangement lorsque je lis
> ce passage du wiki
>> This tag only applies for nodes that are part of a way. For traffic signal 
>> nodes placed at their real position next to the road, use direction=* with 
>> cardinal directions or angles as the value.
> J'ai bien l'impression que le tag direction=* a un rapport avec la
> présence du nœud sur un chemin.

Je me suis mal exprimé. de ce que j'en comprend :
cas 1 : un feu mis sur le nœud aux croisements des routes : aucun tag 
direction, il s'applique dans toutes les directions (plus rapide a tager 
mais on n'a pas l'info de où s'arrêter). je n'ai cependant jamais vu 
cette façon "light" ailleurs que sur le wiki.
cas 2 : un feu mis ailleurs qu'au nœud de croisement : il faut toujours 
un tag direction pour dire dans quel sens il s'applique (plus précis 
puisqu'on peux le mettre à l'endroit de la ligne d'arrêt)

> S’il n'y a pas d'erreur sur le wiki, alors je persiste à écrire 
> qu'il y a une contradiction par rapport aux stops.

Si tu parles d'avoir préfixer le tag direction avec le namespace,
oui je ne vois pas l'intérêt
Si tu parles d'une autre contradiction, je n'ai pas compris.

Je ne comprend d'ailleurs pas la section qui parle du cas où le feu est 
tag à l'endroit de son poteau sur le côté de la route vu que je ne vois 
pas comment on peux séparer les tag entre "le feu physique" et "l'effet 
du feu sur la route"

Cordialement,
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Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

[Ilya Zverev]

I agree.

Verdy p is very hard to work with on the wiki, and his number of edits makes 
his work virtually unverifyable and unrevertable. I assume has has alienated a 
lot of wiki contributors, including few people I know.

Ilya

Andrew Hain wrote:
> It is now time to talk about banning Verdy p from the wiki permanently. His 
> behaviour over the past years makes him a contributor of net negative value. 
> It is exceptionally difficult to correct any mistake that he makes and as a 
> result people have cut down their contributions to the wiki or given up 
> completely. He likes to tell people that they have made mistakes without 
> trying to teach them what he thinks they did wrong and obfuscates changes 
> with mass reformatting. It is often unclear whether he is addressing a 
> problem that actually exists. He often projects his own personality 
> deficiencies onto other people. Even in the current case where there is 
> software that could be made more flexible, he only offers handwaving rather 
> than assistance.


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Directions signalisations verticales

[Axelos]

Coucou,

Le 27/10/2017 à 12:09, marc marc a écrit :
> @Axelos:
> Dans le cas de feux, la page dit que le tag direction permet de savoir 
> dans quel direction le feu s'applique, cela n'a donc pas de lien avec le 
> fait d'avoir le noeud tagé à sa position ou tagé sur le chemin qui 
> s'applique


Bien que je sois plutôt mauvais en anglais, étrangement lorsque je lis
ce passage du wiki


> This tag only applies for nodes that are part of a way. For traffic signal 
> nodes placed at their real position next to the road, use direction=* with 
> cardinal directions or angles as the value. 


J'ai bien l'impression que le tag direction=* a un rapport avec la
présence du nœud sur un chemin.
À moins que la page wiki anglaise donne une information erronée, ou que
le système est différent en France, il faudra dans ces cas l’éditer.

S’il n'y a pas d'erreur sur le wiki, alors je persiste à écrire qu'il y
a une contradiction par rapport aux stops.

Je ne sais pas si François a compris ce que j’essaie d'expliquer, mais
ses interventions vont dans mon sens indirectement.

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Re: [Talk-it] Mappatura di oggetti "virtuali"

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 28. Oct 2017, at 09:46, dgitto  wrote:
> 
> Per me le linee dei traghetti tra un porto e l'altro sono state sempre una
> giusta anzi tollerata "eccezione alla regola".


condivido in pieno, anche perché sul mare solitamente non si sovrapone niente 
alle linee dei traghetti, mentre gli spazi virtuali degli aerei creano 
confusione.

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Re: [Talk-it] Manutentori attrezzature antincendio

[Lorenzo "Beba" Beltrami]

Il giorno 28 ottobre 2017 11:39, Aury88  ha
scritto:

> non ho trovato nulla per indicare il servizio di manutenzione oltre che di
> vendita
>

Qualcosa tipo repair=*[1]?
Io l'ho scoperto tramite craft=electornics_repair[2] per negozi che
aggiustano cellulari e computer.

Lorenzo

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:repair
[2]
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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

[Dave F]

On 27/10/2017 20:53, Warin wrote:

On 27-Oct-17 08:25 PM, Dave F wrote:
You appear to be differentiating based on size & location which, 
seeing OSM's output is visual & geospatial seems unnecessary.


*All* groups of trees are 'natural' so there should only be one 
primary tag. All "purposes" should be within sub-tags.





Your definition of 'natural' must be different for mine. :)


Quelle surprise :)



A tree that is grown in a nursery from grafted stock, planted and 
nurtured in a green house and then finally planted outside ... to me 
is not 'natural'.
A 'natural' tree grown from a seed that comes off a tree by natural 
means, falls to the ground and than grows without human interference 
to full size.


I don't really agree with this, but for the purpose of my main argument: 
'Unifying the key tag for groups of trees'; 'natural' is interchangeable 
with your preferred 'landcover'. What key used is arguable, but, 
whichever, there should only be *one*.




--
? "All "purposes" should be within sub-tags. "
Umm  so you would remove landuse? landuse=residential would be a 
subtag .. under what?


Maybe 'purposes' was a bit confusing, I see landuse=residential as a 
primary tag. Sub-tags are 'descriptive', 'adjective'. The 'cuisine' of a 
restaurant, or 'managed' for woods. for example.


The 'landuse' tag when combined with forest is a misuse of a primary tag 
as it's being used as an adjective.


In this case, whether it's managed or not. Actually, it's use is even 
more confusing with people using it to describe the size of the area & 
density of trees, which, again, should be described with sub-tags.


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Rapprochement Bano

[Julien Lepiller]

On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 13:04:10 +0200
osm.sanspourr...@spamgourmet.com wrote:

> Ceci dit je n'empêche pas les autres de dégommer du rouge dans ces
> zones : bien des noms de rues peuvent être trouvés par ailleurs,
> c'est justement la base de la mesure de 160 000 (soit 5 rues par
> commune en moyenne). Et oui tomber à 0 serait un bon objectif.
> 
> Jean-Yvon

En parlant de dégommer du rouge, http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/ a l'air
dans les choux. Du coup, pas moyen d'avoir le rendu bano ou zone à
mapper.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

[Dave F]

On 27/10/2017 13:00, Tomas Straupis wrote:

Fine. Let's say in higher level there is only one "forest". Then my
topic moves one layer down and stays exactly the same otherwise.
What I'm talking is about virtual hierarchy.
OSM tagging comes AFTER that.

As I map & tag what I see in reality; could you expand on what you mean by
"virtual hierarchy"?

   When you create a map (not a GIS database), you start with hierarchy
of objects which you're going to display. After that you specify what
exactly each of those items in the hierarchy is in your datasets.


You've put the cart before the carthorse.

Entities are mapped & tagged into a database. Individual renderers 
*then* decide which objects to include & how they appear.


I believe your points are irrelevant to unifying the key tag used to 
describe groups of trees.


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Rapprochement Bano

[osm . sanspourriel]

Le 27/10/2017 à 10:10, Christian Quest - cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a écrit :


Donc on pourrait recommander l'ajout de l'adresse dans les pages
Wiki de amenity, shop et office. Mais cela fera quelques rues
commerçantes avec plein d'adresses et pas grand chose ailleurs.


Ouille... tout comme un bâtiment n'a pas de lien 1/1 avec une adresse, 
un commerce n'a pas de lien 1/1 non plus.
Il est préférable de mettre son adresse en contact:*=*, l'adresse est 
un objet à part entière.

Pourquoi ouille ?
Tu mets un commerce et tu mets une adresse, il n'est pas dit tu mets 
l'adresse dans le nœud commerce.


Par contre il m'a toujours étonné de ne pas voir ces commerces dans la 
rue associée : seules la rue et les point d'adresses y figurent, ce qui 
oblige à dupliquer le nom de rue.


Le 27/10/2017 à 04:56, Francois Gouget - fgou...@free.fr a écrit :

Si elles restent c'est qu'il n'y a pas de contributeur dans ces
villes ?
Pas forcément, par chez moi si c'est une rue nouvelle et qu'elle est en 
continuité de l'agglo, j'ajoute.
Si c'est un champ où on n'élève plus des vaches mais des maisons 
individuelles, je me mets dans un coin et j'attends que ça me passe.

Car un bénévole fait ce qu'il veut bien.
En ajoutant des rues loin des commerces, j'ai l'impression de participer 
à l'étalement urbain et au mitage.
Ceci dit je n'empêche pas les autres de dégommer du rouge dans ces zones 
: bien des noms de rues peuvent être trouvés par ailleurs, c'est 
justement la base de la mesure de 160 000 (soit 5 rues par commune en 
moyenne). Et oui tomber à 0 serait un bon objectif.


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Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

[Richard Fairhurst]

I agree absolutely. Time to ban verdy_p for continually disruptive behaviour
and an unwillingness to work with the community. 

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Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

[Andrew Hain]

It is now time to talk about banning Verdy p from the wiki permanently.

His behaviour over the past years makes him a contributor of net negative value.

It is exceptionally difficult to correct any mistake that he makes and as a 
result people have cut down their contributions to the wiki or given up 
completely.

He likes to tell people that they have made mistakes without trying to teach 
them what he thinks they did wrong and obfuscates changes with mass 
reformatting. It is often unclear whether he is addressing a problem that 
actually exists.

He often projects his own personality deficiencies onto other people.

Even in the current case where there is software that could be made more 
flexible, he only offers handwaving rather than assistance.

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Subject: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 379,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/9571/

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Re: [Talk-it] Manutentori attrezzature antincendio

[Andreas Lattmann]

Grazie anche a te Aury!

Il 28 ottobre 2017 11:39:56 CEST, Aury88  ha scritto:
>shop=safety
>
>a questo punto distinguerei i tipi di safety con dei nuovi subtag...
>safety=DPI, 
>safety=fire_extinguisher
>safety=fire_hose...
>
>oppure (meglio) indicare cosa viene venduto come in altri shop:
>DPI=yes
>fire_extinguisher=yes
>
>non ho trovato nulla per indicare il servizio di manutenzione oltre che
>di
>vendita
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-it] Manutentori attrezzature antincendio

[Aury88]

shop=safety

a questo punto distinguerei i tipi di safety con dei nuovi subtag...
safety=DPI, 
safety=fire_extinguisher
safety=fire_hose...

oppure (meglio) indicare cosa viene venduto come in altri shop:
DPI=yes
fire_extinguisher=yes

non ho trovato nulla per indicare il servizio di manutenzione oltre che di
vendita



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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

[Tomas Straupis]

2017-10-27 22:44 GMT+03:00 Warin wrote:
> What you are talking about looks to be the rendering into layers and which
> layer comes higher than the other.
>
> That is the choice of the render and what could be higher in one rendering
> could be the lower in another rendering.

  While I agree with you on a theoretical level, I cannot come up with
any example of different order depending on "renderer" when we talk
about BASEMAPS (as opposed to thematic maps). Can you help me and give
an example?

P.S. Roads (or other objects) depicted wider/larger than they really
are for visibility overlapping building polygons is not enough,
because the problem here is that something is exaggerated on purpose.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Topology rules

[Tomas Straupis]

2017-10-25 16:40 GMT+03:00 Stefan Keller wrote:
> 1. My ceterum-censeo is, that we really need a polygon type in OSM.
> This would make mapping, and many written and unwritten(!) rules much
> easier (not to forget software).

  What exactly are we missing on this polygon topic?

  Because currently OSM data is in a non GIS database (no geometry
column). So there are no geometry types as such, just building blocks
which are later used by software like osm2pgsql which creates a GIS
database and geometry column. So polygon type would not be a "topology
rule", as topology rules can only (?) be applied to geometries.

  The only thing I could think of is having a pre-geometry rules of
following types:
  1. If way has landuse tag, it should be closed
  2. If relation has landuse tag, its ways should form a (multi-)polygon
  3. Node cannot have a landuse tag
  This is for landuse only, but the same type of rules could be
written for other tags like building etc.

  Then there are two tasks:
  * Fix currently incorrect data
  * Introduce these rules to editors and/or api so that new errors
could not be introduced.
  (does not necessarily has to be done in listed order)

  And actually second point can already be done now. JOSM does
complain about unclosed polygons, but it does allow saving them anyway
and check does not work on partially downloaded multipolygons (logical
thing as this could be a multipolygon of a vry large/complec
country border). Maybe editors could start introducing some simple but
mandatory checks, for example not allowing saving of non closed ways
with building=*?

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Re: [Talk-de] Garmin gmapsupp.img funktioniert nicht mehr mit qlandkartegt / qmapshack

[Moritz]

Hallo Andreas,




http://fam-tille.de/tmp/osm/gmapsupp.img

(Bitte gib mir kurz Bescheid, wenn Du es heruntergeladen hast - der 
Server

hat nicht mehr so sehr viel Platz ...)


Karte habe ich runtergeladen und mit Qmapshack 1.9.1 (Manjaro/Arch) 
lässt sie sich einbinden und anzeigen.
Scheint also ein Problem mit deiner Qmapshack/Qlandlandkarte 
INstallation zu sein.


Btw. ich nutze da ein Script[1] um einfach aus den openmtbmap*.exe files 
ein img file zu bauen.
Letzendlich nutzt es auch nur gmt oder mkgmap aber man spart sich das 
entpacken usw.


Grüße
Moritz

[1]: https://github.com/btittelbach/openmtbmap_openvelomap_linux

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semanarioOSM Nº 379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

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Hola, el semanario Nº 379, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

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semanarioOSM Nº 379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

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Hola, el semanario Nº 379, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
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[OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 379,
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http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/9571/

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[Talk-us] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 379,
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http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/9571/

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[Talk-ca] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 379,
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http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/9571/

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[OSM-talk-ie] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 379,
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http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/9571/

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semanarioOSM Nº 379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

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Hola, el semanario Nº 379, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
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semanarioOSM Nº 379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

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Hola, el semanario Nº 379, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
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[Talk-GB] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 379,
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semanarioOSM Nº 379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

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Hola, el semanario Nº 379, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
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[Talk-in] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 379,
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[talk-ph] weeklyOSM #379 2017-10-17-2017-10-23

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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 379,
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Re: [Talk-it] Mappatura di oggetti "virtuali"

[dgitto]

Da pilota di linea virtuale, e cioè utilizzatore e mappatore di quei dati,
penso che ci dovremmo astenere dal mappare e mantenere i waypoint. 
I dati ufficiali sono pubblici, gratuiti. Sarebbero ben fruibili se ci fosse
un progetto come openaerialmap. Ma se è cessato di potrà ricreare qualcosa
del genere, piuttosto che usare OSM. Se mettiamo i wp poi il passo ovvio
sono le aerovie, tutti i dettagli di queste e le restrizioni, boundaries,
SID, STAR, e tutto il resto.
Per me le linee dei traghetti tra un porto e l'altro sono state sempre una
giusta anzi tollerata "eccezione alla regola".

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Re: [Talk-de] Garmin gmapsupp.img funktioniert nicht mehr mit qlandkartegt / qmapshack

[rainerU]

Hallo Andreas,

ich habe mir die Karte heruntergeladen und kann sie mit einem aktuellen
QMapShack (1.9.1post) unter Debian Testing öffnen.

Grüße
Rainer

Am 27.10.2017 um 22:51 schrieb Andreas Tille:
> Hi Moritz,
> 
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 11:26:05AM +0200, Moritz wrote:
>> kannst du mir die img files zukommen lassen, dann kann ich mal bei mir mit
>> qmapshack schauen (1.9.1) ob's tut.
> 
> http://fam-tille.de/tmp/osm/gmapsupp.img
> 
> (Bitte gib mir kurz Bescheid, wenn Du es heruntergeladen hast - der Server
> hat nicht mehr so sehr viel Platz ...)
> 
>> Habe qmapshack zuletzt im Sommer mit Openmtb Karten genutzt.
>>
>> Alternativ könntest du dir img-Files von extract.bbbike.org runterladen.
>>
>> Ich habe es gerade mit dieser Karte[1] und qmapshack probiert (falls sie
>> nicht mehr verfügbar ist, dann hier[2] neu bauen).
>>
>> Dann würdest du erstmal sehen, obs an dir oder den Karten liegt.
>>
>>> Was kann ich tun, um eine Tour zu planen und eine GPX-Ausgabe
>>> zu bekommen (es müssen nun nicht notwendig diese Programme sein,
>>> aber die Web-Routenplaner, die dann auf eine APP aufsetzen
>>> nützen mir nichts).
>>
>> Ich nutze inzwischen recht häufig brouter-web [3]. Da fällt dann ein GPX
>> raus, was sich einfach auf den Garmin übertragen lässt.
> 
> Danke für die hilfreichen Tips, die ich mir bei Gelegenheit ansehen
> werde.
> 
> Viele Grüße
> 
>Andreas.
> 


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