Re: [Talk-us] admin_level and COGs, MPOs, SPDs, Home Rule

2020-06-02 Thread Anthony Costanzo
the towns are more important. On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 10:36 AM Greg Troxel wrote: > > Anthony Costanzo writes: > > > county. CT's counties have no associated government (anymore) but they > > are still commonly used for statistical purposes and they still have > > cultu

Re: [Talk-us] admin_level and COGs, MPOs, SPDs, Home Rule

2020-05-14 Thread Anthony Costanzo
Going to chime in here as someone who has lived the majority of his life in CT. I am quite familiar with CT's 8 counties and their geographic forms. But I only have a vague idea what a COG is and couldn't have told you offhand anything about where the boundaries between them are. I support the

Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

2019-12-16 Thread Anthony Costanzo
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 7:45 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 6:35 PM Anthony Costanzo wrote: >> >> All of AK 2 between Fairbanks and the Canadian border is paved. I can >> vouch for this personally. > > OK, so that's kinda putting more weight on t

Re: [Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 145, Issue 6

2019-12-16 Thread Anthony Costanzo
> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 18:21:59 -0600 > From: Paul Johnson > To: Joseph Eisenberg > Cc: "Eric H. Christensen" , "talk-us@openstreetmap.org" > > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Mon, Dec 16,

Re: [Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 141, Issue 22

2019-08-29 Thread Anthony Costanzo
> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 07:09:25 -0500 > From: Paul Johnson > > On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 6:40 AM Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > > That's probably not relevant for anywhere in the USA (even in Alaska > > the main highways between cities are paved... right?) but it's a > > reminder that we can

Re: [Talk-us] U turn restrictions in areas

2015-08-18 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: That'd have to be some super-script, aware of sightlines What would you need besides elevation information in order to be able to more or less do that? ___ Talk-us mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] Neighborhoods / Zillow

2013-06-17 Thread Anthony
On 2013-06-15 6:51 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: There is a growing number of OSM folks in the United States (myself included) who believe that government provided boundry data should be used for data products such as rendered maps and geocoders, but do not belong in OSM's core dataset (which

Re: [Talk-us] Neighborhoods / Zillow

2013-06-17 Thread Anthony
It's not about mapping the sign, it's about mapping the neighborhood based on the sign. We don't map speed limit signs, we map the speed limits on the roads based on the signs. We don't map interstate signs, we map the name of the interstate. We don't map individual trees, we map forests. We

Re: [Talk-us] Neighborhoods / Zillow

2013-06-12 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Could we use either Geonames or Zillow to drive improvement to neighborhood name coverage in OSM? Using Zillow wouldn't be an improvement. Where I live, Zillow has the same incorrect information as the TIGER CDP (which I

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data next steps

2013-02-22 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: Brian May b...@mapwise.com writes: I also think we need a little bit more sophisticated Data Catalog than a google spreadsheet. Email and a wiki page sounds good to me for coordination. Maybe we can bring it up in a Mappy

Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute

2013-02-10 Thread Anthony
I would suggest inviting him back on the mailing lists, with the knowledge that being banned from the mailing lists means being banned from OSM. This situation where he is allowed to edit, but he isn't allowed to join the mailing lists to discuss his edits, is an utter failure. On Sun, Feb 10,

Re: [Talk-us] Addresses with no house number

2013-01-25 Thread Anthony
This and many other annoying addressing schemes used to be common, but I thought the enhanced 911 system did away with this sort of thing. I did a quick google search and I can't find any address for that school though. On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: A

[Talk-us] Fwd: Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-08 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: That doesn't mean it can't be used alongside it. This land ownership data (assuming it's licensed properly) can be rendered on the same map as OSM data (there are many examples of using TileMill to mix data sources in

Re: [Talk-us] Difficult USA mapper(s)

2012-11-02 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: On 11/02/2012 09:09 AM, Anthony wrote: Might this not be part of the problem? Why do we allow someone to edit but not to contribute to the mailing list? Doesn't that promote exactly the type of behavior that some people

Re: [Talk-us] Difficult USA mapper(s)

2012-11-02 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: On 11/02/2012 01:11 PM, Anthony wrote: I don't get it. If the problem is that you don't like the way he edits, how is blocking him from the mailing list, but allowing him to edit, the proper solution? The times that I have

Re: [Talk-us] Difficult USA mapper(s)

2012-11-01 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: DWG has the administrative tools to block an account. What we don't have is a clear rule stating that we can block an account for being difficult. Questions for the US mapping community: 1) Do you want DWG to act on

Re: [Talk-us] Difficult USA mapper(s)

2012-11-01 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: So, as a generalized example of a specific instance that I have in mind, I added some tags to some ways which reflected data that anybody could verify from multiple sources with a little bit of research. I didn't put a

Re: [Talk-us] Difficult USA mapper(s)

2012-11-01 Thread Anthony
I'm not sure there is anyone *banned* from the lists. On moderation, maybe, but so long as the emails are eventually going through that seems okay. On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 9:16 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: If I think I know who this is all about, maybe he should be un-banned

Re: [Talk-us] Difficult USA mapper(s)

2012-11-01 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Anthony writes: The key question is, which key was right? No. Without getting too specific, my key was one of the most commonly-used keys, while e's key was one e invented. Without getting specific, how can we figure

Re: [Talk-us] Tags for Emergency Interstate

2012-08-03 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_route#Emergency_detour_routes Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detour#Permanent_detours ___ Talk-us mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] Discardable TIGER tags

2012-07-29 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 1:21 PM, william skora skorasau...@gmail.com wrote: Tiger:tlid - Could be removed. I've had newbies ask me at mapping parties what it means, I haven't been able to answer them. I haven't seen any use for its inclusion at this point. FWIW, I strongly support removing

Re: [Talk-us] Discardable TIGER tags

2012-07-28 Thread Anthony
I'm all for upload_uuid being removed automatically. As for tiger:separated, is it possible to remove the tag only if it's set to no? The 1.4% that are set to something else should probably be reviewed manually. On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: Some

Re: [Talk-us] Discardable TIGER tags

2012-07-28 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I'm all for upload_uuid being removed automatically. As for tiger:separated, is it possible to remove the tag only if it's set to no? The 1.4% that are set

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin

2012-07-11 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Kevin Kenny kken...@nycap.rr.com wrote: The culture of OSM seems to be veering from bad data happens, and when it does, other mappers fix it, to we have to protect the map from the mappers. Not from mappers, from disruptive bots.

Re: [Talk-us] Rails with trails

2012-07-08 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/3/2012 4:11 PM, Anthony wrote: What if it's an abandoned railway which is adjacent to a not-abandoned railway? Then it's already tagged as a rail trail. Which tag should be used, though

[Talk-us] Duplicate GNIS points

2012-06-19 Thread Anthony J. Bentley
/?lat=35.081997lon=-106.61987zoom=18layers=M University Art Museum (gnis:feature_id=929517) Jonson Gallery of the University Art Museum (gnis:feature_id=929518) Jonson Gallery (gnis:feature_id=933296) -- Anthony J. Bentley ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER road expansion code

2012-05-12 Thread Anthony
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: W and W Industrial Rd expands to West and W Industrial Road, since W is the direction_prefix, but the second W is unaccounted for, the script doesn't know if that is supposed to be W or West (and neither do I). The old

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER road expansion code

2012-05-12 Thread Anthony
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: What percentage of roads, where the old script would have punted, are now being expanded correctly? The new script is up now. I used Maryland as a test

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations

2012-05-12 Thread Anthony
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 4:21 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: It checks suffixes starting from the end, so if you have St something St E or St something St East, it'll only check E or East and then St and then stop because something is not a known suffix. So Calle Ave Maria

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations

2012-05-12 Thread Anthony
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 4:21 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: It checks suffixes starting from the end, so if you have St something St E or St something St East, it'll only check E or East and then St and then stop

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER road expansion code

2012-05-12 Thread Anthony
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: It's worth noting that any errors are already there as errors in the TIGER tags. So, had the TIGER import been done properly in the first place, these errors would be in the name tags as well. This seems to be the

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER road expansion code

2012-05-12 Thread Anthony
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 5/12/2012 5:54 PM, Anthony wrote: If so, this is good, but it does mean that road names are going to get out of sync, if, for instance, tiger:name_base was removed from some of the ways and not removed from others

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations

2012-05-11 Thread Anthony
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:45 PM, Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com wrote: Clarity!  The abbreviations are just that, they mean the full word, and are spoken that way, but written and displayed as the abbreviation.  I also disagree I have never know anyone that said whatever A V E  they do not

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations

2012-05-11 Thread Anthony
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: The only way to capture the full information is to have additional tags telling you what the base is.  And if you do that, abbreviating or not abbreviating doesn't matter. And if you want to avoid tremendous redundancy, the way

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations

2012-05-11 Thread Anthony
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Minh Nguyen m...@1ec5.org wrote: On 2012-05-11 6:45 AM, Anthony wrote: The only way to capture the full information is to have additional tags telling you what the base is.  And if you do that, abbreviating or not abbreviating doesn't matter. That's similar

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations

2012-05-11 Thread Anthony
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: At 2012-05-10 19:40, Anthony wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote:  The only question is what to do about those cases where it's only referred to locally as 'Ave

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations

2012-05-10 Thread Anthony
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com wrote: As a quick and dirty test I took Florida and Illinois road data from cloudmade.  A simple replace of the top 7 or so suffixes at the end of the name an with a space in front of it resulted in over 700,000 name changes for

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations

2012-05-10 Thread Anthony
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 5/10/2012 10:19 PM, Anthony wrote: What I'm questioning is why it doesn't apply.  If the people call it Whatever Ave, shouldn't the data read Whatever Ave?  Most of the US wouldn't call it 'Whatever Ave'; when spoken

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations

2012-05-08 Thread Anthony
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 5/1/2012 11:49 PM, Anthony wrote:  That assumes that the TIGER tags will always be present to assist with  proper automatic expansion. I'm not sure what you mean, because I am not making that assumption at all.  You

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations

2012-05-08 Thread Anthony
. Anthony ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations

2012-05-08 Thread Anthony
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Doctor Martin Luther King Bolevard is one thing.  Drive Martin Luther King Boulevard is another. And if we're going to make so many mistakes (1/1000 means thousands of mistakes), I'd rather it just be left as Dr Martin Luther King

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations

2012-05-01 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: There have been some limited automated expansions, though they can be problematic, because abbreviations can mean many possible things.  Expanding

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations

2012-05-01 Thread Anthony
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: The other point that's being missed is that we as a community already accept an error rate in our data that's far larger than any potential mistake rate on a well written script. If the script makes one error in 1000

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations

2012-05-01 Thread Anthony
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/1/2012 12:59 PM, Anthony wrote: Automatically expanding abbreviations is a terrible idea.  If an abbreviation is unambiguous, then it can be expanded during the preprocessing step.  If, on the other hand

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations

2012-05-01 Thread Anthony
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/1/2012 1:23 PM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com  wrote: On 5/1/2012 12:59 PM, Anthony wrote: Automatically expanding abbreviations is a terrible idea

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations

2012-05-01 Thread Anthony
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: And actually, if the bot is going to be smart enough to look at the history, to find deleted TIGER tags, then maybe there is some advantage to doing this during the preprocessing step (which would often not have access to history

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations

2012-05-01 Thread Anthony
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 5/1/2012 1:21 PM, Anthony wrote: The preprocessing step between downloading the data from OSM and doing something with it.  That assumes that the TIGER tags will always be present to assist with proper automatic expansion

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations

2012-05-01 Thread Anthony
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: The TIGER tags are not exactly standard OSM tags that belong in the database. Better that we get rid of them at the same time as we expand

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Check my junctions - looking for someone to review my plates of spaghetti -- responding to feedback

2012-01-24 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know about Pennsylvania, but here in Florida a single white line does not legally prevent crossing. But even if it did, we don't map a double yellow as a median. *You* don't map a double yellow (I assume you

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Check my junctions - looking for someone to review my plates of spaghetti

2012-01-24 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/23/2012 9:52 PM, dies38...@mypacks.net wrote: Yuck. A separate way should not be used for a turn lane (unless that lane is separated by barriers or maybe a wide striped-off area). Corollary: a separated

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Check my junctions - looking for someone to review my plates of spaghetti -- responding to feedback

2012-01-24 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/24/2012 8:33 AM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com  wrote: I don't know about Pennsylvania, but here in Florida a single white line does not legally prevent

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Check my junctions - looking for someone to review my plates of spaghetti -- responding to feedback

2012-01-24 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/24/2012 10:24 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: Florida's driver's manual says that crossing any double-white line is prohibited.  You're confusing double white with single white. No, I'm not. And I agree with Mikel

Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

2011-11-16 Thread Anthony
involves requesting it from towns Sent with Verizon Mobile Email ---Original Message--- From: Anthony o...@inbox.org Sent: 11/14/2011 9:36 pm To: Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com Cc: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports? On Sun, Nov 13

Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

2011-11-14 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: The parcel data is a superset of address data... Not when there's more than one address to a parcel, which around here unfortunately is a common occurrence in exactly the places where address information is most useful

Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

2011-11-10 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Steven Johnson sejohns...@gmail.com wrote: The Census Bureau, through their partnerships and liaisons with state local govt, are acutely aware of the need and importance of address data. They are in fact open to finding ways to make the data available and still

Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

2011-11-06 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Steven Johnson sejohns...@gmail.com wrote: Doubt very seriously a FOIA request would work. Since the data are subject to Title XIII restrictions, it will likely take an act of Congress to make them available. What exactly are the restrictions? I don't see how

Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

2011-11-06 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Steven Johnson sejohns...@gmail.com wrote: Doubt very seriously a FOIA request would work. Since the data are subject to Title XIII restrictions, it will likely take an act of Congress to make them

Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

2011-11-06 Thread Anthony
Hmm... Baldridge v Shapiro, a Supreme Court ruling: The unambiguous language of the confidentiality provisions of the Census Act -- focusing on the information or data that constitutes the statistical computation -- as well as the Act's legislative history, indicates that Congress contemplated

Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

2011-11-06 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Mike Thompson miketh...@gmail.com wrote: Any idea where I would send the request? http://www.census.gov/po/www/foia/foiaweb.htm Good luck.  Census will fight the request. Earlier comments about Title XIII apply. Based on that Supreme Court ruling, and the

Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

2011-11-05 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 1:04 AM, Val Kartchner val...@gmail.com wrote: As long as we have all of the addresses, we could use satellite data to align them with houses.  Is this the type of data we have in TIGER? It isn't, but I wonder whether or not a FOIA request for a list of all addresses

Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

2011-11-03 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:36 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: Anthony, my recollection is you're banned from editing our map, so don't worry about how we split or don't split the roads. I still edit the map. I am not banned. ___ Talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

2011-11-03 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote: I'm not a fan of splitting ways Maybe we should remove the ability from the editors, then. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

2011-11-02 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 11/1/11 11:50 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Is there a way for mapnik to only render features of a certain class if there's not more than a certain density of them? i don't know about that, but i certainly think

Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

2011-11-02 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Steven Johnson sejohns...@gmail.com wrote: Up to now, we've been talking largely about addresses as point features. However, one thing I think would be good to have is block ranges on streets. What I mean is a tag that indicates this is the 1000 block, the 1100

Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

2011-11-02 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Address range information can be derived from existing TIGER data quite simply. I'm not sure how simple it is. It's simple in cases where TIGER data matches up very closely with OSM data. But that isn't universally true. And

Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

2011-11-02 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:38 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: This idea, of tagging address ranges within blocks, sounds like a good idea to me.  Some cities, such as Louisville, KY, put address ranges on street signs, which would make gathering such information easy in those

Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

2011-11-02 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: I'm all for not importing data where there's existing data people can use, but in the case of TIGER addresses you could actually make a point for importing: OSM could be a platform for improving that address data (like it

Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

2011-11-02 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Which brings me to the conclusion that there's no point in importing TIGER address information.  A geocoder can simply try to find the address in OSM

Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

2011-11-02 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: Folks, Do you realize: 1. We already have a method for address interpolation. It's called addr:interpolation There's no need for new tags. Yes. In fact, I mentioned it above along with a link

Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

2011-11-02 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's reasonable to take a small bite out of that huge task by using data that was previously crowdsourced (via taxpayer money) and ask as many members of the current OSM community in the US to manually add the data and

Re: [Talk-us] Address improvement through imports?

2011-11-02 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 11/2/2011 9:46 PM, Anthony wrote:  2. Cutting ways into blocks would make for bedlam. Why?  If there's no difference between the blocks except for addressing

Re: [Talk-us] One of the strangest TIGER screwups I've seen

2011-10-23 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 10/23/11 3:02 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 10/23/2011 2:59 PM, Richard Welty wrote: from Mike's comment, the name appears to likely be correct local usage. Mike's link is from Wisconsin; the way is in

Re: [Talk-us] One of the strangest TIGER screwups I've seen

2011-10-23 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Can someone check TIGER 2010 to see what it currently says? I just did. It's TLID 611694054. The name has been removed. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [Talk-us] Signed shared roadway

2011-10-22 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 10/22/11 8:33 PM, Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) wrote: This is something that I've been wondering in ma, would on road sign posted routes (there is a sign on a post next to the road) be tagged differently the on road

Re: [Talk-us] Signed shared roadway

2011-10-22 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: this text may be found in section 1234 on this page: https://www.nysdot.gov/divisions/operating/opdm/local-programs-bureau/repository/bicycle/safety-and-laws/laws.html Hmm, I just looked at the text. Did you

Re: [Talk-us] Signed shared roadway

2011-10-22 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/22/2011 9:13 PM, Richard Welty wrote: if there's just a black on yellow sign saying share the road then cyclists should stay to the right. Not at all.

Re: [Talk-us] Signed shared roadway

2011-10-22 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: not intentionally, and i did include the link so people could read it, so perhaps we could drop the confrontational bit. Sorry. you will note that i didn't come back at you about the fact that there are no specs

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Crossovers

2011-10-08 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: * Anthony o...@inbox.org [2011-10-07 16:36 -0400]: access=private is wrong if it is not private property. I understand access=private to mean, You cannot go here without express permission from the property owner.  The land

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Crossovers

2011-10-08 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Nathan Mills nat...@nwacg.net wrote: On Sat, 8 Oct 2011 08:44:04 -0400, Anthony wrote: By that rationale, all government owned land is access=private. No. In a park, for example, you have a right of access by default. I'm not sure what you mean

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Crossovers

2011-10-08 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 9:40 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: The access=emergency tag is documented in the wiki as meaning that access is permitted for emergency vehicles, and would seem to ideally fit this situation. Where is it in the wiki? I did a search for emergency, and

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Crossovers

2011-10-08 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 7:10 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 9:40 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: The access=emergency tag is documented in the wiki as meaning that access is permitted for emergency vehicles

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Crossovers

2011-10-07 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: * John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com [2011-10-07 06:51 -0500]: James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: Hey guys, I'm curious, but how have you guys been tagging them when you add them? Define what you mean by an

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Crossovers

2011-10-07 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: * John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com [2011-10-07 06:51 -0500]: James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: Hey guys, I'm curious, but how have you guys been

Re: [Talk-us] What does the community want from a US local chapter?

2011-10-01 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 09/30/2011 08:36 PM, Mike N wrote: Really? Are there people who say I'd rather not map because there is no consensus on the roads tagging? Are those people the 20,000 missing mappers in the US? It is more

Re: [Talk-us] Disney (was Re: access=destination vs access=private)

2011-09-17 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: So we could take the existing tags, where =customer is perhasp not existing, and have a hierarchy: access=yes access=destination access=permissive (no legal right, but not objected to) *access=customers access=private (no

Re: [Talk-us] Disney (was Re: access=destination vs access=private)

2011-09-16 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: As I've said on the wiki, I'd rather see access=restricted plus access:restriction=customers_only, this way we can give routers general information (that the way is restricted to a particular category) without having them

Re: [Talk-us] Disney (was Re: access=destination vs access=private)

2011-09-16 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com wrote: The US doesn't seem to have the strict legal categories for rights-of-way that the UK does I'm not sure what you mean by that, as I'm not familiar with UK law. But the US definitely has a concept of public right of way vs.

Re: [Talk-us] Disney (was Re: access=destination vs access=private)

2011-09-15 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com wrote: So this could be access=destination , which should allow routing at ends but not for thru traffic. Well, that's not at all what the sign says. ___ Talk-us mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] Disney (was Re: access=destination vs access=private)

2011-09-15 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/15/2011 9:50 AM, Anthony wrote: The sign does not say you may use the road so long as you need it to get to your destination (access=destination).  That would preclude cast members as using it as a cut-through

[Talk-us] Disney (was Re: access=destination vs access=private)

2011-09-13 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:29 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/12/2011 7:17 PM, Anthony wrote: The fact that the land is owned by Walt Disney Parks does not preclude the fact that they have granted a right of way through it. According to Orange County property records

Re: [Talk-us] Disney (was Re: access=destination vs access=private)

2011-09-13 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com wrote: The thru-roads across WDW property might or might not be registered as Public Right of Way against the deeds, but have been open to the public for up to 40 years. What is the goal here ? We're trying to figure out

Re: [Talk-us] Disney (was Re: access=destination vs access=private)

2011-09-13 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com wrote: Waste/Submerged would be correct status in 1960 prior to Disney development, not current status. Sounds like that website is not current source for Reedy Creek documents. By the way, the particular parcel of land being

Re: [Talk-us] Disney (was Re: access=destination vs access=private)

2011-09-13 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: There was a guard booth on Vista Boulevard near the present location of the sign until about 2005. And now I get it. This road could be used to bypass the main entrance toll booth on World Drive, and doesn't seem to

Re: [Talk-us] access=destination vs access=private

2011-09-12 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:43 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/11/2011 6:12 PM, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com  wrote: (As opposed to http://maps.google.com/maps?q=orlandohl=enll=28.394553,-81.549518spn=0.0168,0.041199t

Re: [Talk-us] access=destination vs access=private

2011-09-11 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 3:33 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/11/2011 3:12 AM, Toby Murray wrote: Re: Kansas Every person riding a bicycle upon a roadway shall be granted all of the rights and shall be subject to all of the duties applicable to the driver of a vehicle ...

Re: [Talk-us] access=destination vs access=private

2011-09-11 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/11/2011 7:53 AM, Anthony wrote: The no thru traffic sign is nonstandard and very jurisdiction specific.  In general there is no letter of the law, as the law generally does not mention such signs. You seem

Re: [Talk-us] access=destination vs access=private

2011-09-11 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: (As opposed to http://maps.google.com/maps?q=orlandohl=enll=28.394553,-81.549518spn=0.0168,0.041199t=mz=16vpsrc=6layer=ccbll=28.394524,-81.549396panoid=f638RcwkM8_a-3tntIJmRgcbp=12,335.79,,1,3.19 which is on private

Re: [Talk-us] access=destination vs access=private

2011-09-09 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Peter Dobratz pe...@dobratz.us wrote: Do you think it makes more sense to tag the apartment complexes as access=destination or access=private? The complexes are not usually private. I'd even consider not putting access restrictions on them at all, unless there

Re: [Talk-us] access=destination vs access=private

2011-09-09 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 23:43 -0400, Anthony wrote: On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Peter Dobratz pe...@dobratz.us wrote: Do you think it makes more sense to tag the apartment complexes as access=destination or access

Re: [Talk-us] access=destination vs access=private

2011-09-09 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 23:25 -0400, Anthony wrote: On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 7:36 PM, PJ Houser stephanie.jean.hou...@gmail.com wrote: Do you think it makes more sense to tag the apartment complexes as access=destination

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