Re: Failures to start The Bat
That's encouraging. I have been struggling with the av errors for a week or so. Happens on MS Server 2016 & 2019, but not on win 10. Must download from the ritlabs download page I see. Maybe I missed an update message. On 2023-01-16 1:44:06 PM, Manuel Ostertag wrote: - Original Message - From: "Spencer Morgan" Sent: Monday, January 16, 2023 10:21:39 [UTC -0500] Subject: Failures to start The Bat > Hello , > Had a problem trying to start The Bat today with access violations. I had the same problem, see attached error messages. The update to 10.3.3.3 solves the problem. -- Best regards Manuel 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html [276b91c5-b47c-4754-8b65-69ffba860ba8] 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: alpha 5
Miroslav Florensen, Flushdns didn't work here. Hi Rick, ipconfig /flushdns then try again yep, I had the same problem here, flushdns works. Thx Rick. -- Best wishes Miroslav BAT-MAIL.DE.VU - http://bat-mail.de.vu Current beta is 5.4.8.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 5.4.8.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v6.0.0.4 ALPHA
Maxim, Hello Tbbeta, The Bat! v6.0.0.4 ALPHA is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/alpha/tb6004a.rar Getting file not found error message when i try to download. [-] Fixed exception on change email (Alpha issue) [-] Removed Html selection text inconsistency and warnings (Alpha issue) [-] Fided Settings for Confirmations have disappeared (Alpha issue) [-] Check for Viruses menu item is enabled even when there is no Antivirus (Alpha issue) [-] Newly created windows were not using current language settings (Alpha issue) [-] More sensible default font for all windows (Alpha issue) [-] Photo from the Address Book/Rogue image was not shown in the message preview (Alpha issue) Current beta is 5.4.8.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 5.4.8.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v6.0.0.4 ALPHA
Maxim, Hello Gleason, Wednesday, October 2, 2013, 8:53:45 PM, you wrote: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/alpha/tb6004a.rar Getting file not found error message when i try to download. This may be due to DNS issue, could you please try again, I've uploaded this file under the old ip address too. Thanks, that worked. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.4.8.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Please try 5.8.2 MSI files
Maxim, Hello Tbbeta, Could you please test The Bat! v5.8.2 MSI files: [-] Error when switching active folder when something was type in the Quick Reply panel http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_5-8-2.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_5-8-2.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_rus_5-8-2.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_5-8-2.msi Running here. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.4.8.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v5.8
Maxim, Hello Thomas, Tuesday, September 24, 2013, 5:40:12 PM, you wrote: So what is new in version 5.8? I'd be interested too. Since September 26th, the buyers of The Bat! version 5 licences will get their licences also valid for version 6, i.e. through v6.xx up to v7.0.99; however, these keys will not work for versions prior to 5.8 due to technical reasons. That's why the version number has moved from 5.4.8 to 5.8. Once in 2 years the new major The Bat! version has been released. The Bat! version 6 will be released within a month. The developers have been working on it for more than a year. The development is being done in a separate branch of code (not interdependent), while latest version 5 releases mostly deal with bug-fixing. So the version move from 5.4.8 to 5.8 was intended to denote that this version is one of last in v5 line. Can I upgrade my current v 5 license now to one that will include v 6 to 7.0.99? -- Gleason Current beta is 5.4.8.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v5.8
Vilmos, Ok, another strange bird... :) It makes coffee, but it doesn't do ftp. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:20 PM, tux- z...@tuxproject.de wrote: Vilmos Kertesz schrob am Dienstag, 24. September 2013 um 19:15 Zeit: Show me ANY other software that works that way. XYplorer. Current beta is 5.4.8.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Vili -- Gleason Current beta is 5.4.8.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 5.4.1.0 (ALPHA)
Maxim, Hello Tbbeta, The Bat! 5.4.1.0 (ALPHA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb5410.rar What's new in 5.4.1.0 since 5.4.0.0: [-] Negative counters when IMAP account is accessed by more then one client [-] Last angle bracket was lost when HTML template with image is used to create message [-] Outlook Express contacts cannot be imported [-] Trouble with AltGr key (German and Hungarian keyboard in Windows 7) Running here. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.4.1.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Images in HTML mail
Steven P Vallière, This is not confirmed here. Before I start, let me say that I've asked this several times before and I expect to get shot down again just like I did back then. But I still think this is a valid question: Why is it that few email clients will display images inline with an HTML message that TheBat! sends while they will do so for similar messages sent from Outlook, Thunderbird, GMail, Yahoo Mail, Hotmail, etc.? TheBat! also displays messages from all of those other sources correctly, so why is it that TheBat! cannot CONSTRUCT a message that other programs can view correctly? I'm sure that TheBat! is doing it right according to the programmer's interpretation of some arcane point of law in the mail RFCs and the other programs are wrong -- BUT at least all of the others seem to be interoperable, while TheBat!'s method for embedding inline images in HTML mail seems to be the odd man out, at least as far as interoperability goes. Until we can convince the world to give up Thunderbird and things like it, shouldn't TheBat! play nice and allow us to create nice looking HTML formatted email messages that can contain embedded images and still look right in Thunderbird and its brethren? Perhaps there is a magic setting that I've got wrong (FSM knows that there are more than I'll ever know about, let alone remember!) If so, could someone please tell me how to configure TheBat! so that an HTML formatted email that contains embedded images will look the same when received by Thunderbird as it does when I press SEND in TheBat! ?? Please? -- Steven Vallière | tb 5.1.6.7 | mailto:the...@e-visions.com -- If you didn't write it down, then it didn't happen. -Larry Zana Current beta is 5.1.6.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 5.1.6.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Images in HTML mail
Viktor Kabelac, Hello Gleason, Steven P Vallière, This is not confirmed here. What is not confirmed where and why does there seem to be the entire previous message quoted when you do not seem to be reacting to anything in particular? Embedded images appear correctly in email I send to correspondents. -- Best regards, Viktor Kabelacmailto:tbbeta-l...@kabelac.cz Current beta is 5.1.6.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 5.1.6.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Filtering
Raymund Tump, Hi Dwight, My question was more for what purpose. That's the reason why I gave an example... that seems just as obvious. Although I suppose the reasons might vary from user to user, and all still be valid reasons. Right. Just found out that my old and clumsy way to get a folder with all mails and replies of one friend can be far easier done with a VF. Right, but that isn't the problem we are looking for a solution to. -- Gleason Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.0.108
Marck Pearlstone, Dear Maxim, @24-Nov-2010, 21:30 +0200 (24-Nov 7:30 PM here) Maxim Masiutin [MM] in mid:131848603.20101124213...@ritlabs.com said: MM The Bat! 5.0.0.108 ALPHA is available at MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb500108.rar ... snip This version is not usable for me for IMAP. It lets me read one message then stops downloading bodies or changing read flags. If I switch to another folder in the account, a random message in that folder gets marked unread, but still no body download. Anyone else having such problems? Has been that way for me through the entire 5 beta series. I found that, if I wait until the server connection dies in the connection center, I can click on a new email and get a body. Also, if I wait for the preview to fill in the message index, I can then click on the message and get a body. I am constantly getting an error message in the Account Log that says The server didn't exit from IDLE after 10 seconds since sending DONE Cyrus server software. The provider is Fastmail. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Did I miss the funeral?
Rick wrote: I'm not meaning improving IMAP is absurd. I saying the suggestion that they should expend someone's time going line by line or table by table on a thousand messages, because complaining users shouldn't be bothered with calling their attention to any pages which are problematic is absurd. The way I understood is that they should install Outlook then make the bat render to that as a standard. (I'm wincing as I say Outlook and standard in the same sentence. :) True. Outlook should definitely not be the standard. If I use outlook, I find myself coming back to TB, to deal with html replies. It might be that Outlook has better tools for writing html. I wouldn't know because I don't use them. But I do reply to html formatted messages, and Outlook hasn't improved in that category for a long time. Can't insert replies between chunks of split quoted html. Can't add reply text at the bottom below quoted html. No good. -- Gleason http://www.getpostbox.com Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Did I miss the funeral?
Dwight Corrin wrote: On Saturday, June 12, 2010, 2:47:34 PM, Rick wrote: Hardly absurd. They need to fix the way the bat works with HTML They are working on IMAP right now of course but at some point this should be dealt with I'm not meaning improving IMAP is absurd. I saying the suggestion that they should expend someone's time going line by line or table by table on a thousand messages, because complaining users shouldn't be bothered with calling their attention to any pages which are problematic is absurd. From a manager's standpoint, programmer's time is much more efficiently used dealing with real complaints with definite circumstances where the undesired behavior occurs. Because users find much that nobody would anticipate. And in your typical programming work situation, there will be enough input from users to take any spare (haha) programming time that might miraculously appear. It is true that you also often hear this from users, why can't you just take a few minutes, zip through the program and fix anything you find. It would make a users' lives so much easier. I'm sure it would. -- Gleason http://www.getpostbox.com Current beta is 4.2.33.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: When are we going to get a fix for the never ending attempts to download?
Marck, Dear Ian, @24-Feb-2010, 18:52 +1100 (24-Feb 7:52 AM here) Ian A. White [IAW] in mid:645952719.20100224185...@wai.com.au said to Dwight: ... snip IAW This is where you receive a HTML message and there is a URL that has IAW issues. The Bat! does not give up trying to download the URL and just IAW keeps trying. You cannot abort the download task and so this just IAW keeps going on and on. Confirmed! ... snip I have to shut down TB 2-3 times a day because of this problem. If you create a bugtraq entry, I will endorse it there. It might help if somebody could come up with an offending email to send them. So far, the ones I have seen are payment received notices from paypal. Other paypal messages don't seem to have the problem. It would be good if somebody could find a different kind of message to send. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.24.3
Maxim, The Bat! 4.2.24.3 Alpha is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb42243.rar What's new in 4.2.24.3 since 4.2.24.2: [-] (#0004357) No account username/password update dialog during failed POP3/SMTP login Awards to clients that don't present this dialog when the Internet connection or the server is down. [-] Fixed connection broken on TLS (BETA issue) Current beta is 4.2.24.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.24.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.19
Maxim, The Bat! 4.2.19 ALPHA is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb4219.rar What's new in 4.2.19 since 4.2.18: [*] Improved speed of handling folder names. This may be noticeable on very slow computers with very large folder trees, otherwise the effect is negligible. But this can caouse data loss unless you copy your message base prior to installing this ALPHA version. Running well here. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.19 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.13.6
Maxim, The Bat! 4.2.13.6 ALPHA is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb42136.rar Still can't read new Imap email without ctrl-R, which causes endless loop. AV on exiting the program. What's new in 4.2.13.6 since 4.2.13.5: [-] (#0007812) Sorting Office: Icons have disappeared and an additional textbox has appeared [-] Fixed a problem with column widths with Large Fonts [-] (#0007813) (Beta) it wasn't possible to create messages from a Address Book's Favourites menu [-] (#0007814) (Beta) reply to a message from a common folder wasn't working properly Current beta is 4.2.13.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.13.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.12.3
Maxim, Hello Tbbeta, We have once again updated the MSI files with an exe 4.2.12.4, it also includes an html for googlemail. If you have installed 4-2-12.msi with 4.2.12.2 or .3 already, please uninstall it first, otherwise you will get an error from Windows Installer that this version is already installed, or similar error www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_4-2-12.msi www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_rus_4-2-12.msi www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_4-2-12.msi www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_4-2-12.msi What's new since 4.2.12.3: [-] (#0007762) It wasn't possible to create IMAP folders Confirmed fixed. Thanks. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.10.17 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fastmail IMAP
Stuart, Hello Tbbeta, I was looking through FastMail's blog this AM and came across the following. http://blog.fastmail.fm/2009/05/01/help-test-proxy-to-improve-imap-performance/ So far using this proxy (mentioned lower in the article) I am seeing the following results. Raw data 202.6 KB Compressed data 21.2 KB Approx 90% savings Not sure how this translates into real world performance, but it is interesting none the less. Also Ritlabs, you may want to look into this and the rest of the article. Seeing as you are looking into IMAP now and want to be on the cutting edge. :) Yes, this is definitely an improvement. -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.2.7.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.2.7.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mod: DEAD HORSE (was: Again IMAP Support)
Robert, As for kicking me/ others -- your choice, of course, this is your list. In any case, it is interesting that you decided to only kick Arjan. I wonder how many of us have been doing this sort of thing in one way or another since the days of Fido? Since time immemorial we have known about moderators, and how they, yes, do own the echo/newsgroup/mailing list. They can be counted on to bend over backwards to be fair, but if you anger them... The old advice still holds. If you don't like the way this group is run, you are free to start your own. Yahoo is one easy place to do that these days. That one will be yours and you will be boss. -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.2.1.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
the new 4.2.4 installer
Tbbeta, Something new in the 4.2.4 installer trips over AltDesk when checking for space requirements. The error message is error 1606, Could not access network location AltDesk Desktops\SharedDesktop There is such a directory under Documents and Settings, but it has not been a problem for previous installers. AltDesk is a multiple desktop utility from http://www.astonshell.com/ -- Gleason Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Dwight, On Monday, June 8, 2009, 5:44:30 PM, Marek Mikus wrote: I hope, this is enough now to stop imap-related discussion until anything related to IMAP will be announced. I would say just the opposite, that an IMAP announcement might stop the imap related discussion by either raising hopes or running off the last of those hopeful something will sometime actually be done. Certainly those hopefuls are having too much fun to allow themselves to be run off. -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.2.1.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Arjan, Believe me. I've been on TBUDL and TBBETA since version 1.4x and it has always been like this (and I guarantee you it will always be like this). Nothing surprises me anymore.Each new Ritlabs blunder just fills me with mild amusement. Otherwise I couldn't care less. One thing that could be done is that the rest of us could agree that there is no sense communicating with people who have nothing but vituperation to contribute. -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.2.1.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Volker, .·¨[Stefan Tanurkov @ TBB, 2008-10-30]¨·. ·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·— VŠ Can someone from Rit update us on where IMAP rewrite is? We've made changes to the message base format in order to improve IMAP in the next release, so it was the first step. As soon as we get this Beta series finished and the new format working without a problem, IMAP will be reworked. ·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·— = msgid:1124908893.20081030210...@thebat.net .·¨[Maxim Masiutin @ TBB, 2008-12-19]¨·. ·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·— […] Please note that this fix is not related specifically to IMAP, it is only a workaround of inefficient IMAP design. We will rework IMAP after the release. ·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·— = msgid:2033284972604811...@ritlabs.com 4.2 is minor upgrade with more bugfixes than additions, yes, postponed sending is available, but there are importans bugfixes and this is reason this version was released as final. IMHO RITLabs does not make any difference between major and minor releases: Release is release. The mentioned above statements were done during 4.1.x series, so the next release would be 4.2.x, i.e. *this* release. By the way wasn't it you, who had the same opinion some months ago? The quotes say Imap after the 4.1 series. 4.2 is the product of that series of betas. So now, how about some reduced invective while they do what they said? -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.2.1.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
Christian, Maxim Masiutin schrieb: Hello Tbbeta, We didn't change the EXE file, just repacked the MSI with the new THEBAT.LNG: www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_4-2.msi www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_4-2.msi www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_4-2.msi www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_rus_4-2.msi Congrats on not listening to your BETA List and bringing out another bugged version. And once again a totally useless version for those using IMAP. Why make inflammatory statements that you must know are not correct? -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.2.1.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
Christian, Gleason Pace schrieb: Congrats on not listening to your BETA List and bringing out another bugged version. And once again a totally useless version for those using IMAP. Why make inflammatory statements that you must know are not correct? Interesting statement seeing all the replies made to this thread plus a thread not too old about IMAP. Yes, and it is not true that Imap is totally useless for those who use Imap. This isn't the first time you have heard that. But as soon as the successful Imapers get quiet you are right back on the same track again. Which makes me think something else is going on. -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.2.1.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
Christian, Finally - useless - it is. What sense is there in using a client - or even wanting a customer to buy it - and having to tell them - but don´t use IMAP! Even though the package says it supports IMAP - just don´t use it. If you want to use it - well then make ready for errors, no working IMAP connections and so on Not so and you know it. how to fix it? welll Just close the application and restart it... now that is great advice! Will tell that my customers when they have a problem with a server or client OS - just restart the computer it will fix itself! I WANT A STATEMENT FROM RITLABS!! Finally tell this listing what is happening to IMAPs - if anything - give us a timeframe - a project plan - a milestone - anything !! But something that works as it should! Come on Christian, tell us what your real agenda is. -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.2.1.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
Volker, Pardon me, but the customer – in this case it is *us* – does not care about *internal* plans behind closed doors. The customer wants to rely on official statements from RITLabs and not on rumors. That’s just to raise the topic Clear Communication. Is it so hard to understand? Ill will is not hard to understand. Generally, there is no point in communicating clearly or not with people who have it. -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.2.1.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP
Dwight, On Saturday, May 30, 2009, 7:39:05 AM, Gleason Pace wrote: But I maintain that The Bat Imap is much much better than it was just a few years ago. All that remains of the old quirkiness for me is the occasional Ctrl-c to refresh folder contents. While I agree that it is better than it once was, I certainly would not classify its major failings as 'quirkiness.' The biggest problem remains message counts. In Vista, the only way to get a current count is to exit and restart. I find myself doing that often. I'm not sure whether it is TBs fault that the server sometimes closes the connection and I have to exit and restart to reconnect, but that happens on xp often. I don't trust TB! to create new folders, but I haven't tried it lately. When we start working on IMAP, I'll get some accounts I can safely experiment on but I screwed up my real account often enough that way in the past I won't risk it there. And it seems we both use Fastmail, and I have had no problem creating new folders. It is true that TB's folder counts aren't accurate, and TB doesn't report new mail well, but I never need to restart it. I never loose my FM connection unless DSL or FM itself is down. I have found that seeming poor Imap reliability in all email clients has a lot to do with connection configuration. This works for me in TB: both in and out are set to use Secure To Dedicated Port, 465 for in and 993 for out. As for folder counts, I can get good counts with other clients but they are lacking some other things that TB does. There is no such thing as a client that does everything well. I have decided to use Fastcheck to tell me when new mail arrives http://www.fastcheck.org/ regardless of what client I am using. That way, that particular feature can be disregarded in favor of other more important ones when deciding on an email client. While TB! continues to suit me better than other apps, partly at least out of habit, if I ever found an app which really handled IMAP well, I'd be gone. There are others that do a better job. Thunderbird and Becky. But they lack other things, like html handling in replies that are more important for me. If we don't test IMAP, then I might as well just be gone. POP has no attraction to me, and I can't imagine that it is going to do anything in the long run but lose out to IMAP. The more people use their mail on more than one machine, the more they are going to need IMAP or webmail, or something besides POP. Don't think so. People mostly use POP because that is what most ISP's provide. That isn't likely to change. -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.1.14.2 (RC2) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP
Vili, The question in my profession is always this: what is the next big thing? And do that. What is the next big thing for an email client? If I am hearing right, a reliable, correct IMAP support with the filtering, etc. of The Bat! would be a big hit. Why? Nu such thing exists yet. Right, it does not exist. One reason is that it is devilishly hard to do. A number of clients have tried. There was some indication in the Mulberry support list a while back that the people who are responsible for the Imap specification were thinking of revising the standard to make it simpler because so many client and server authors have had so much trouble getting it right. That idea is likely to not get past the daydream stage, says Cyrus Daboo. But I maintain that The Bat Imap is much much better than it was just a few years ago. All that remains of the old quirkiness for me is the occasional Ctrl-c to refresh folder contents. I am a long time intensive Imap user, and I make significant technical demands of my Imap client, but I don't think it is true that there is a herd of languishing Imap users out there dying for a good imap client. A cluster maybe. Far and away, most users use POP, and until ISP email server change, that will be the way it is. Imap remains the domain of institutional email, and that is still the smaller percentage. Actually, the new thing on the email horizon is Webmail, I fear. Young people seem to universally prefer it. Nothing to learn, nothing to fix. It just works, and when it doesn't, somebody else must fix it. Sad to say. So, if Ritlabs would spend time to do this, that would be unique. Yeah, postponing is unique I guess, but who gives a sh.t. Quote from actual users. They dont use it. -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.1.14.2 (RC2) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! release date
Christian, Maxim Masiutin schrieb: Hello Tbbeta, We are going to release The Bat! on 8th June 2009. Just goes to show that RitLabs does not care about proper bug fixing!! Just add a new feature - make sure it does not work properly - and release another bugged version into the public! regards a former TB! user Christian uses Thunderbird 2.0.0.21. He is obviously satisfied with a limited feature set. He could at least move up to ThBd 3+. Nightly builds are usually pretty stable. For me, ThBd is not acceptable because, even now, it does not provide a way to insert responses between chunks of html in replies. The Bat is the only one that does that right as far as I can tell. Among other things. If The Bat is buggy for you, that doesn't mean it is for me, which it isn't. And not for most users, I suspect, which is why it continues to prosper when others have not. CF Mulberry, Eudora, etc. -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.1.14.2 (RC2) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! release date
Christian, Gleason Pace schrieb: Christian uses Thunderbird 2.0.0.21. He is obviously satisfied with a limited feature set. I am satisfied to get a free programm that in many ways does it´s job better than TB! even if this is an older version. The operative word being free? As a programmer, I often find myself informing people about why software shouldn't be free. But that is a different issue. How often did you have to revert to an older TB! version after a new one was release with broken features? Since I only use the beta's as they come along, I can't say about release versions. Once in the past few years for a beta, that I remember. He could at least move up to ThBd 3+. Nightly builds are usually pretty stable. For me, ThBd is not acceptable because, even now, it does not provide a way to insert responses between chunks of html in replies. The Bat is the only one that does that right as far as I can tell. Among other things. What a load of crap... or you don´t understand how to use another program other than TB! ? Inform yourself maybe beforehand. I am willing for you to tell me how to get ThBd to do the formatting feat I mentioned above. If The Bat is buggy for you, that doesn't mean it is for me, which it isn't. And not for most users, I suspect, which is why it continues to prosper when others have not. CF Mulberry, Eudora, etc. Seems to me - that you are not following tb!beta at all funny how the info email about the upcoming release is filled with replies about beta testers expressing their doubts because of so many bugs! Must only be me who sees what RitLabs is doing... selling half finished product to the public. Of course you could argue - Microsoft does that so why not RitLabs - does that make it better? I did notice reports of problems and I see Rit fixing the ones it can duplicate. It is possible to fix a problem that you can't duplicate sometimes, which puts programmers ahead of auto mechanics who will tell you to bring the car back when the knock they can't hear today returns. -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.1.14.2 (RC2) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! release date
Mark, Hello Christian, Friday, May 29, 2009, 4:25:52 PM, you wrote: CG a former TB! user And obviously not over it, yet! If I felt compelled to use ThBd 2.0.0.21, I would be depressed too. -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.1.14.2 (RC2) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! release date
Robert, Hello Gleason, Friday, May 29, 2009, 4:53:45 PM, you wrote: If The Bat is buggy for you, that doesn't mean it is for me, which it isn't. Here you are right (i.e. your opinion, you can say all you want here). And not for most users, I suspect, Here you are wrong (i.e. don't speak for most users; thanks!) Right, that is why I merely suspect what I suspect. Which should be expressible with other opinions, I suspect. which is why it continues to prosper when others have not. CF Mulberry, Eudora, etc. Here you made me laugh. Mulberry and Eudora continue to be commercially viable products? -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.1.14.2 (RC2) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.29
Maxim, The Bat! 4.1.11.29 (BETA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb411129.rar What's new in 4.1.11.29 since 4.1.11.28: [-] There were no help context for the Delayed Sending dialog (BETA ISSUE) [-] Viewer Profile combo boxes didn't support Unicode characters [-] Viewer Profiles generic and default in print setup weren't localizable Running here. -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.1.11.29 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.1.11.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.23
Maxim, The Bat! 4.1.11.23 is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb411123.rar What's new in 4.1.11.23 since 4.1.11.21: [-] Toolbar icons and other interface glyphs (graphics) did contain jagging (aliasing) on pixel edges on Windows 2000 and Windows NT 4.0, since The Bat! version 3.1 [-] There sometimes in very rare cases might have been black icon background for toolbar buttons. This might happen on regular bases when using The Bat! in conjunction with some antivirus software. [*] Speed of output of graphics is significantly improved on computers with very slow CPU. For example, the improvement this is noticeable in image viewer, when opening large images in a separate window. [-] The Bat! didn't support transparent PNG images in html messages, which might have caused some messages improperly displayed, mostly when a 1x1 PNG image was used as a spacer [-] Transparent and translucent PNG images (with alpha channel) weren't supported in an image viewer Current beta is 4.1.11.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Running here. -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.1.11.23 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.1.11.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.21
Maxim, The Bat! 4.1.11.21 is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb411121.rar What's new in 4.1.11.21 since 4.1.11.20: [-] (#0007506) Clear-text PGP encrypted messages could not be decrypted automatically by filter actions [-] bug 0007486: Some chars in Subject lead to improper body rendering - big vertical spacing [-] %OTimeLongEn didn't work properly in 4.1.11.20 beta (BETA ISSUE) [-] [The Bat 0007577]: Inline-editing an addressbook-entry inside a subgroup results in this contact being moved to the addressbook (top-level) [-] (#0004108) Option to purge completed events was not working [-][The Bat 0007586]: It is possible to create empty entry in POSTPONED SENDING [-][The Bat 0007585]: Predefined next day entry in POSTPONED SENDING has faulty definition [*] folder popup menus fixed [*] QT icon added into editor popup menus [+] glyph for message delay status bar icon added [-] (#0007500) Re-filter scheduler action was not working properly [-] (#0007474) Copy/Cut/Copy To... commands were not enabled once a columnar selection mode was used in MicroEd [-] The Bat! 4.1.11.20 did use date/time formats in template macros incompatible with previous versions (BETA ISSSUE) Running here. Current beta is 4.1.11.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.1.11.21 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.1.11.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.20 Attachment Icon Oddities!
Steve, Hi, Just installed v4.1.11.20 Spoke to soon I thought the attachment icon was all fixed... but.. 1. If you expand the attachment icon column past a certain point the file names of all the attachments shows! What a great idea. 2. Attachment numbers do not show on e-mails older than a few weeks! the attachment icon shows up but no number - not even 1! Regards Steve Harris Current beta is 4.1.11.19 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Using The Bat 4.1.11.20 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current beta is 4.1.11.19 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.9
George Ì. Menegakis menega...@gmail.com, On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 03:41, MAU m...@rancho-k.com wrote: Hello Rick, Also the Attachments glyph now shows the NUMBER of attachments Not until you focus on the Message List pane for the first time and not for all messages. See attachment. And it doesn't work in any virtual folder. Anyway, I wish this new feature was optional. I don't like it neither with the default attachment glyph nor with the one from my Yellowish Icons set. Plus, I don't find it useful for anything. On the contrary I find it very useful provided it works correctly. In all folders and whether the focus is in the message list or not. This is probably a difference between pop and imap. Attachment glyphs always were iffy for me, still are. This is true for most imap clients. And programmers shouldn't remove a feature because it seems unuseful. Somebody will want it, and in ways the programmer never imagined. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.1.11.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.11.9
Christian Grams, Convince me and others that RITLABS is actually doing something about this. Give us a road map with proper content and uphold this road map. Why work on a broad front ? Work on one MAJOR problem and get it fixed - BEFORE you do silly aditions that have no functionality - just nice for the eyes (and yes i also like the look and feel of TB). As with any software enterprise, RIT's focus must be on what sells new software. Fixing broken things makes current users happy, but they aren't buying new software. The bad news for Imap users is that POP3 is still far and away what most people use. And everybody sees slick icons. Don't kid yourself, appearance makes a lot of difference to many people. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.1.11.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: TB and various IMAP Issues
Alto, Hi, All of those years of enduring and reporting IMAP issues, and all that has changed is that the issues have grown _worse_ over the versions? GP Which suggests not negligence but inability to reproduce what you see, GP either by Rit or by many users, which would include myself. You're kidding, right? No, said the troll. -- Gleason Using 4.1.11.3 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB and various IMAP Issues
Bob, I'm using Fastmail as well but I can confirm all the problems described by Bob. I think Ritlabs should now stick to their statements in which they've announced multiple times to fix the IMAP engine. Believe me, I am appreciative of all the comments that my saying I was discontinuing TB use for my primary mail account (Gmail's IMAP) triggered. What I have learned from all of those well-intentioned and, I might add, well-informed, comments are: 1. There are some very tech-savvy people on the TB Beta list. Also some very determined long term ill will towards Rit. Interesting to note that most software support lists have similar. -- Gleason Using 4.1.11.3 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB and various IMAP Issues
Alto, Hello Bob, all of these issues are long-standing and haven't been fixed in years. In fact, you might want to try the final v3-version of TheBat (v3.98.2 I believe), this one is a little (and I do mean a little) better when it comes to IMAP, at least the connection-lost problems don't happen as often as they do with the v4.0.38. I personally even continue using v3.0.1.33 to this day. Funny, isn't it? All of those years of enduring and reporting IMAP issues, and all that has changed is that the issues have grown _worse_ over the versions? Which suggests not negligence but inability to reproduce what you see, either by Rit or by many users, which would include myself. -- Gleason Using 4.1.11.3 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB and various IMAP Issues
Bob, Hi Gleason, On 2/7/2009 3:35 PM, you wrote to Alto: Alto, Hello Bob, all of these issues are long-standing and haven't been fixed in years. In fact, you might want to try the final v3-version of TheBat (v3.98.2 I believe), this one is a little (and I do mean a little) better when it comes to IMAP, at least the connection-lost problems don't happen as often as they do with the v4.0.38. I personally even continue using v3.0.1.33 to this day. Funny, isn't it? All of those years of enduring and reporting IMAP issues, and all that has changed is that the issues have grown _worse_ over the versions? Which suggests not negligence but inability to reproduce what you see, either by Rit or by many users, which would include myself. Are you saying that you, too, use IMAP with your ISP and/or Mail Provider, and you don't see the unable to send mail body due to processing error message and/or the queuing problem? Never see that. If that is true, this suggests that the problem may lay with Gmail's implementation of IMAP (or, possibly, with my IMAP settings in TB, although I have tried to follow Stefan Tanurkov's guidance on those). I have heard that Gmail's imap is non-standard, and causes trouble for clients. Opera's email crew apparently have asked if they intend to fix it or will leave it as is, with an eye to deciding whether it is worth the trouble to do a workaround. I didn't hear what response they got. On the other hand, I have a @thebat.net gmail account that gives me no problem at all. My main provider is Fastmail. What do you think, here? I would suggest getting a free account from Fastmail and see what kind of performance you get. Servers can definitely make a difference. -- Gleason Using 4.1.11.3 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.1.11.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: RSS-Newsfeed-Plugin
Eddie, Anyway, I hope you all can make use of this. BTW - what RDDfeeder would you recommend to more easily create the opml or xml file through exporting? It should be a slick tool with no much of fancy functions. Just the ability in adding a feed and then exporting it. And free to use. I used Thunderbird. There are easier clients for RSS, but this is the one that gave me an opml file format that works. -- Gleason Using 4.1.9.3 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.1.9.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: RSS-Newsfeed-Plugin
Eddie,
See my mid:304023271.20090114144...@rancho-k.com it answers two of
your questions.
After taking out the quotes as you mentioned my folders are created.
I see them in the explorer but not in TB!. The filter looks like this
now:
',- [ ]
'| TB! Message Filter
'| beginFilter
'| UID: [23457C00.01C97879.2FA94762.06312EEC]
'| Name: all\20RSS
'| Filter: {\0D\0A\20`21\0D\0A} MoveMessage AutoFolder folder
\5C\5CRSS\20Feeds\5CInbox\5C%OHEADER(X-parent-outline-title)\5C%OHEADER(X-outline-title)
Should be
\\RSS\Inbox\%OHEADER(X-parent-outline-title)\%OHEADER(X-outline-title)
can you take out the extra characters?
'| IsActive
'| Ignore
'| endFilter
`-
Strangely, the folders are all created preceded with ;5C (e.g.
;5Cheise mobil News). See attachment hc_018.png.
Of course this puts all feeds under the Inbox without folders (see
attachment hc_019.png)
What am I doing wrong?
--
Gleason
Using 4.1.9.3 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600.
IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software.
Current beta is 4.1.9.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: RSS-Newsfeed-Plugin
Eddie, \5C\5CRSS\20Feeds\5CInbox\5C%OHEADER(X-parent-outline-title)\5C%OHEADER(X-outline-title) Should be \\RSS\Inbox\%OHEADER(X-parent-outline-title)\%OHEADER(X-outline-title) can you take out the extra characters? Thank you. When I created the filter I did enter the phrase as you posted above. But when I cp the filter it adds the extra characters e.g. '5C'. 5C is the ascii code for \ 20 is the ascii code for space If you see the extra chars after pasting, you should be able to edit them out. Or make sure you aren't getting two \ when there should only be one. Gleason, how do I add this to my TB! mid:109136608.20090115095...@mm.st? ',- [ ] '| You will need to add two entries to your headers setup in TB options. '| X-outlilne-title '| X-parent-outline-title `- What am I writing where (there are two fields to be filled)? PreferencesViewer/EditorMessage Headers -- Gleason Using 4.1.9.3 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.1.9.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: RSS-Newsfeed-Plugin
Eddie, Dear Gleason, --- Gleason Pace / Samstag 17.01.2009, 17:38:02 RSS-Newsfeed-Plugin Thank you. When I created the filter I did enter the phrase as you posted above. But when I cp the filter it adds the extra characters e.g. '5C'. 5C is the ascii code for \ 20 is the ascii code for space And what are the colon ; doing there? Also remove. The Folder names says as example ;5Cheise mobil News! -- Gleason Using 4.1.9.3 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.1.9.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: RSS-Newsfeed-Plugin
Eddie, And what are the colon ; doing there? Also remove. The Folder names says as example ;5Cheise mobil News! I am not sure if I wrote this in a way that it's understood. My filter is creating the folders that starts with ;5C (e.g. ;5Cheise mobil News). Yes, and removing the ;5C will eliminate the folder naming problem. I can't imagine that the purpose is to edit my folder names by hand. So I think there must be somewhere a mistake but I just don't know what or where. BTW - this error prevents the proper filtering and all feeds are under the Inbox 'without' folder. Indeed. It should look like this when I look at the sample page on the RITlabs server (sse the last picture of that page): http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/tips_detail.php?ID=2294 A number of things on that tips page don't work right. -- Gleason Using 4.1.9.3 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.1.9.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: RSS-Newsfeed-Plugin
Gunivortus, 1. Download a free RSS Feedreader. I downloaded Feedreader 3.13 at http://www.feedreader.com/download choose there: Download Installer from Fileforum. Install the program. Then I searched the Web (Googling) for 'feeds' I wish. After I found some nice german and dutch feeds (I am a dutch, live in Germany), I added them in Feedreader; Click File - New - Feed. If you've put the Feed before in the memory of your computer, it's added then automatically. After you've added all the feeds you wish, you click on File - Export OPML and put that file (feedreader.opml) in your The Bat! maildirectory. Thunderbird works as well for this. The latest nightly build Thunderbird makes a opml version 1.0 file. The sample on the tips page is 1.1. Not sure the plugin is recent enough to do version 1.1. I have attached my version of the sample opml file with the gotchas and gargoyles and gazeboes removed. You will need to add two entries to your headers setup in TB options. X-outlilne-title X-parent-outline-title That will give you the sorted on the fly message folder structure. I had to let it run all night on my fast internet/fast cpu combo to process the 1100 messages I got. The filter to use is \\RSS\Inbox\%OHEADER(X-parent-outline-title)\%OHEADER(X-outline-title) All of this took twiggling from what the tip page says to get them to work. -- Gleason Using 4.1.9.2 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. opml_pub.xml Description: XML document Current beta is 4.1.9.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: RSS-Newsfeed-Plugin (was: the macro under Windows 7)
Volker, [Reply to: »Ethan J. Mings« · 2009-01-13 · 21:38 h (CET)] Moin, Ethan! I work in an environment where people want one software program that can do both. I also realize that is not in the best interest of The Bat! That is why I support The Bat focusing its work in IMAP and e-mail functionality. An RSS module would be great. However, it is not the priority right now. I just mentioned it given the constant complaining I hear from clients. What about a plugin? = http://thebat.zetema.de/download.html#more: rss2mail (RSS-NewsFeed) 1.3 Download [35.5 KB] RSS2POP3.pkierski (RSS-NewsFeed) 0.1 BetaDownload [117 KB] RSS2POP3.lost (RSS-NewsFeed) 2.5.11.163 Download [13 KB] Just a wild guess … I'm convinced. It really is amazing what you can do with this program. Really. Is there a newsgroup plugin out there somewhere? -- Gleason Using 4.1.9.2 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.1.9.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP: Partial list fetches all messages in one go instead of batches of 100s
Robert, Hi, every time you connect your IMAP account to the server, the client synchronizes the local cache with the server. In practice, you can see in the Connection Centre that for every folder you get something like: Partial list [folder] (1-n) (0/n) where n is the number of messages in the folder. This means the The Bat! tries to sync the entire cache in one go. This is not necessarily good because for folders with tens of thousands of messages it may take considerable amount of time. Any comments? Some clients are faster than TB starting up. Thunderbird is one. The difference with Thunderbird and most other clients is TB gets message counts for all folders in the process. The bottleneck for me with TB is negotiating the tls connection. After than, TB zips through my 100 folders and 14,000 stored messages zoomily. Much faster since I moved to a wider broadband connection. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.1.9.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.7.1
Maxim, The Bat! 4.1.7.1 is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb4171.rar What's new in 4.1.7.1 since 4.1.7: [-] Common Quick templates could not be used for mass mailing Running well here. -- Gleason Using 4.1.7.1 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.1.7
Maxim, Hello Tbbeta, What's new since The Bat! 4.1.5? [*] Possibility to define font styles for regular message text [+] New macro: %QuoteIgnoreSeparator to instruct all subsequent quotes in the template to ignore the separator sequence (-- ). E.g. you can use %QuoteIgnoreSeparator%QUOTES in your template to quote the full text of original message including signatures. [-] Fixed a bug when restoring an address book with national characters from backup archive or pasting an address entry with national characters. If somebody did restore an address book from the backup and got the national characters corrupted, just install 4.1.7 and restore the address books from the same backup archive. The following files will be available for download in 20 minutes: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/intpack_4-1-7.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_home_4-1-7.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_4-1-7.msi http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_rus_4-1-7.msi This installer won't install a version that will run for me. When starting TB, I get the This program has encountered an error... message. I have downloaded a couple of times and tried different installation variations. No joy. Rolling back here. -- Gleason Using 4.1.5.1 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.1.5.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: The Bat! 4.1.7
Bob, Also for those inclined The Cloud of Unknowing about Christian mysticism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cloud_of_Unknowing Hello Rick, The intpack required uninstall/reinstall and would not update can't confirm... I uninstalled and reinstalled successfully Ditto, including starting up successfully when I checked Start The Bat at the end of the installation process. I will also add that I really like the uninstall package options we've seen for, I think, all the 4.1x versions. Merry Christmas to all, regardless of your personal flavors of the faith journey, and let's all hope that the RitLabs teams members stay home with friends and families for at least a few days now. A holiday reading suggestion for those interested in digging very deeply into experiences of faith: The Perennial Philosophy, by Aldous Huxley, 1945. An edited collection of the writings of the mystics from the world faiths. Wonderful insights (no theology) from the mystical experiences, applicable to all humanity. It is not really philosophy, but a look at the experiences of these pioneers. -- Take Care, Bob -- Gleason Using 4.1.5.1 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.5.1
Maxim, The Bat! 4.1.5.1 is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb4151.rar What's new in 4.1.5.1 since 4.1.5.0: [*] Possibility to define font styles for regular message text Running well here. Current beta is 4.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Using 4.1.5.1 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.1.5.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.1.10 and IMAP
Maxim, Hello Tbbeta, Since The Bat! resolves the issue with Windows Message queue, it should work better on IMAP with large number of folders and messages. Please let us know whether it works better on IMAP. IMAP in The Bat! did improperly used PostMessage Win32 API call, and overfilled the message queue (see Remarks section on http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms644944(VS.85).aspx ) The Bat! 4.1.1.10 uses PostMessage in such a way that when a limit reaches, the messages are anyway queued, but not lost as before. Please note that this fix is not related specifically to IMAP, it is only a workaround of inefficient IMAP design. We will rework IMAP after the release. It might help to mention that these are internal program/os messages and not outgoing email type messages. I am seeing TB process through checking my 60+ IMAP folders when the program first starts quickly and without a pause. If this change is due to the above, bravo. -- Gleason Using 4.1.1.10 RC1 (BETA) on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.1.1.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Delete/rename folders
Deleting and renaming folders on the imap server does appear to work, but you get AV errors after, when TB is trying to rebuild the folder tree. -- Gleason Using 4.0.37.26 (ALPHA) on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.37.26 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.34.23
Maxim, The Bat! 4.0.34.23 (ALPHA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb403423.rar What's new in 4.0.34.23 since 4.0.34.22: [-] Some calls in the anti-spam API could cause stack overflow exception [-] (#0007316) Sender-related information was not used in the Template Preview [-] Address Book: Export to LDIF files/Copy to clipboard was losing character set of address book entries [-] (Beta) Some bugs with commands in the template editor frame [-] (#0007154) The dispatcher of messages does not remember position at expansion on the full screen [-] (#0001499) The macro %ofromname should work fine with the fancy emails containing colons in the user's name [-] (#0002287) Moving messages is leaving empty window on Task Bar [-] (#0006761) The Bat! icon is shown twice in TaskSwitchXP Running well here. Current beta is 4.0.34.22 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Using 4.0.34.23 (ALPHA) on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.34.22 (ALPHA) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 4.0.34.18
Marek, Hello all, Monday, November 3, 2008, Maxim Masiutin wrote: What's new in 4.0.34.18 since 4.0.34.17: [*] Tab sets now always use flat style regardless the selection of current Windows theme. Yes, I liked the old way better too. -- Gleason Using 4.0.34.18 (ALPHA) on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.34.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
multiple imap
I have 4 imap accounts. I find that I get the best performance if I portion the 10 connections allowed for an imap account between them. Should this be necessary? The option to not connect and synchronize at startup doesn't seem to have any effect. If the 4 accounts have more than 10 connections between them, the program is able to connect to only one account when the program starts, TB decides the other three servers have terminated the connection, and the associated tasks disappear from the Connection Center. At the next periodic check, TB is able to connect to the other 3 and perform normally from that point. -- Gleason Using 4.0.34.16 (ALPHA) on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.34.16 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: multiple imap
Peter, Gleason, On 30-10-2008 15:37, you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: If the 4 accounts have more than 10 connections between them, the program is able to connect to only one account when the program starts, TB decides the other three servers have terminated the connection, and the associated tasks disappear from the Connection Center. Sometimes a host (provided that you have all the accounts with the same host) will limit the number of IMAP connections from one IP at any given time. No, they are 4 different hosts. -- Gleason Using 4.0.34.16 (ALPHA) on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.34.17 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.34.12
Maxim, The Bat! 4.0.34.12 is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb403412.rar What's new in 4.0.34.12 since 4.0.34.11: [-] (Beta) Indexes was not converted right when OTFE was used. Now, the *.EBN and *.TBN files must be removed as well as the TBI Converted value of the registry key HKCU\Software\RIT\The Bat! by those who reverted back to a version with old index format before starting this Beta. [-] (#0007239) (Beta issue) Mail Ticker was not functioning properly Running here. -- Gleason Using 4.0.34.12 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.34.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.34.3
Maxim, The Bat! 4.0.34.3 is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb40343.rar What's new in 4.0.34.3 since 4.0.34.2: [+] (#0003978) The new option Limit of simultaneous tasks in the Connection Centre On the imap fine tune page? No, not there. Where should I look? -- Gleason Using 4.0.34.3 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.34.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The new option Limit of simultaneous tasks in the Connection Centre
Hendrik, Maxim Masiutin wrote on 16/09/2008 at 07:55:47 +1100 subject The new option Limit of simultaneous tasks in the Connection Centre : The new option Limit of simultaneous tasks in the Connection Centre is in the Options|Network and Administration dialog. Does it apply only to IMAP? I see no differences in receiving POP3-accounts, even if I set the limit to 1. Also no detectable difference in Imap behavior. The connection center loads 100 or so tasks at program start for the main Imap account while also checking 3 other smaller ones. Performance is quite good though. -- Gleason Using 4.0.34.3 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.34.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New E-Mail Client is coming up...
the recently known as Groupware on Server, Name is Zimbra, released a new E-Mail Client with full Google Support and included Calendar. This could be important for The_Bat! Developement... http://www.zimbra.com Zimbra takes Opera Mail's indexing focus one step further. In every folder, all messages related to real folder residents from all folders are linked together in subject tree view. An interesting twist for somebody like me with 20,000 or so messages stored in 40 some folders on the imap server. TB has gone a different direction with virtual folders and message histories. After some consideration, maybe I think TB's solution is better. I don't think TB's calendaring and notes are lesser to Zimbra's. The one thing I think TB could learn would be in the area of appearance. Zimbra looks good, and the themes are well done. That might have something to do with the programming widgets available to the Java programmer. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.0.26.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.24.26
Stefan, The Bat! 4.0.24.26 is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb402426.rar What's new in 4.0.24.26 since 4.0.24.25: [+] glyphs for text align added [-] (#0007075) If a computer's name had underscore character, The Bat! could send it as an argument to HELO command in SMTP which could cause some servers give an error Syntactically invalid HELO argument(s) [*] Updated Czech welcome message [-] (Beta) Problems with editing filters [*] Better Free Caret positioning UR in Curve Lake, Ontario. Current beta is 4.0.24.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Using 4.0.24.26 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.24.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: IMAP
Vili, So, when will Ritlabs finish working on these nuances (QT, etc.) and focus on IMAP? I do not think, there will be nuances in templates system only, but agree, IMAP must be focused. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I meant, that for me, QT was good as it was (ok, now better), so first the real problematic areas should be targeted, including IMAP. It is like washing a car while you have a broken engine... Yes, it will be shinier, but should not we repair the engine first??? The Bat Imap for me has been slowly improving over the past couple of years. Right now, I am seeing no Connection Center lockups, no messages that don't load, no necessity to shut The Bat down because it has stopped responding to Imap commands. Right now, I would say that TB has the best Imap anywhere, including Thunderbird and Mulberry. But I do use server side filters. -- Gleason Using 4.0.24.25 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.24.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 4.0.24.20
Jens, am Donnerstag, 12. Juni 2008 um 21:01 schrieb Maxim Masiutin: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb402420.rar Hmm - 4.0.24.20 has doubled file size than 4.0.24.19 - strange... Sorry, I have updated the file. I downloaded, but it does not show .21 @me? Could someone send me the .21 File? I just want it. Not sure if anybody else has sent you this, but am sending now by Magic Vortex. Watch your junk folder for their notice that the file is ready to download. Won't be any different other than the number, of course. -- Gleason Using 4.0.24.21 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.24.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.24.4
Maxim, The Bat! 4.0.24.4 is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb40244.rar What's new in 4.0.24.4 since 4.0.24.3: [-] Quick templates dialog could not be invoked (beta issue) Running well here. -- Gleason Using 4.0.24.4 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.24.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.24.2
Maxim, The Bat! 4.0.24.2 is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb40242.rar What's new in 4.0.24.2 since 4.0.24.1: [+] It is now possible to select SHA-256 and SHA-512 in S/MIME preferences dialog, for Internal Implementation. Running here. Current beta is 4.0.24.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Current beta is 4.0.24.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0.24.1
Jens, am Freitag, 2. Mai 2008 um 00:50 schrieb Maxim Masiutin: The Bat! 4.0.24.1 is available This is urgly, all the Graphic is broken - i go back to previous. http://www.de2all.de/thebat/20080502-Graphic.jpg (645148 Byte, IrfanView JPG File) The shading is a light gray here. Probably has to do with which theme you are using. I am using OfficeK right now. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.0.24.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: tbb files
Roelof, Hallo Gleason, On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:58:54 -0400GMT (13-4-2008, 18:58 +0200, where I live), you wrote: GP I have the tbb file to restore, but the import functions in the GP tools menu are all grayed out. Is there a way You must have a folder selected in order to use the import tools. Hmm, doesn't seem to make a difference. Export functions are available, but I haven't been able to jiggle it so import functions are not grayed out. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.0.20.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
tbb files
TB, Occasionally, I will mean to delete a few messages and get the whole folder instead. Yes, it happened today. I have the tbb file to restore, but the import functions in the tools menu are all grayed out. Is there a way -- Gleason Current beta is 4.0.20.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: tbb files
Paul, GP Occasionally, I will mean to delete a few messages and get the GP whole folder instead. Yes, it happened today. I have GP the tbb file to restore, but the import functions in the tools GP menu are all grayed out. Is there a way Create a new folder in TB. Close TB, copy the messages.tbb file to the newly created folder. Restart TB. A little more to it with imap, but yes, that was the secret I needed to know. Thanks. -- Gleason Using 4.0.20.2 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.20.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0.14.4
Maxim, The Bat! 4.0.14.4 is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb40144.rar What's new in 4.0.14.4 since 4.0.14.3: [-] (#0006786) Spellchecker suggest get AV on simple phrase (Hunspell) [+] Preview pane: Automatic detection of UNICODE text attachments [*] (#0004865) Search for moved attachments is now extended [-] 0006834: Lost text when HTML editor changed to Microed after Redirected HTML message [*] Better interface for association with file types and protocols (under all systems included Vista) [-] (#0006835) Extraneous characters when pasting as quoted Looks good here. Current beta is 4.0.14.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Using 4.0.14.4 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.14.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.14.4
Maxim, The Bat! 4.0.14.1 is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb40141.rar What's new in 4.0.14.1 since 4.0.14.0: [-] (#0006701) Copy/Paste from Preview Pane [-] (#0005937) Reply to HTML using HTML [-] SSCE user dictionaries can be edited before language initialization [-] Added finalization of spell center [-] Dictionary to add to list correctly populated now [-] Dictionary list on Spell checking form correctly populated now [-] (#0006579) Administrator accounts were accessible when an ordinary user logged in Looks ok here. -- Gleason Using 4.0.14.1 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.14.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: v4014 CTRL+M
Henk, On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, at 13:41:39 [GMT -0500] (which was 19:41 where I live) Jan Rifkinson wrote: Mark folder read CTRL+M does not function consistently When the focus/view/cursor bar is on the folder, Ctrl+M is working as expected and when the focus/view is on an individual message not but Ctrl+A and then Ctrl+M do work then. That is the way it should work. Also, when the focus is on an individual message, ctrl-m should mark it read. Useful if you don't use the preview screen. But for some of us, ctrl-m won't work regardless unless you move to a different folder and back. It might be this is happening when the program starts with the focus on a folder. Ctrl-m doesn't work until you move to a different folder. That is a theory for right now, I haven't tested it yet. Users who immediately move to a different folder would miss seeing it. I only see the effect when the program starts. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.0.14.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.12.0
Maxim, The Bat! 4.0.12.0 is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb40120.rar What's new in 4.0.12.0 since 4.0.11.0: [-] Address History automatic search was case-sensitive Looks good here. Current beta is 4.0.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Using 4.0.12 on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.11 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 40020 CTRL+M all read - NOT
Jan, CTRL+M not functional on first try User must click on another folder then return to make it work Reported in earlier versions This happens about once a day for me. Other times the function will work without the switch. Usually, I see it when I first open TB, but not today. -- Gleason Using 4.0.0.20 (BETA) on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.0.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 40020 CTRL+M all read - NOT
Jan, CTRL+M not functional on first try User must click on another folder then return to make it work Reported in earlier versions Another one that comes and goes is the delete function. Often delete won't work but alternate delete will. And occasionally neither will. -- Gleason Using 4.0.0.20 (BETA) on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.0.20 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.0.18
Maxim, The Bat! 4.0.0.18 (ALPHA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/alpha/tb40018.rar What's new in 4.0.0.18 since 4.0.0.17: [*] New auto speller for HTML editor [-] (#0006697) (Alpha issue) Moving Virtual Folders across accounts caused Access Violation [-] (#0006706) (Alpha issue) Dictionaries entry causes AV when no languages are available [-] (Alpha issue) SSCE dictionaries were not visible [-] (#0006690) (ALpha issue) Sorting Office Action to set colour group kept failing on groups with specific names [-] (#0005862) Attachments were not forwarded when multiple messages were forwarded to a single address using non-MIME method [-] (#0006576) Cancelling Add sender/recipient to Address Book dialogue did not prevent adding to address book [-] (Alpha) Spell checker isses [-] (Alpha issue) Encryption in S/MIME internal implementation might not work Looks good here. I really like being able to edit dictionary entries. -- Gleason Current beta is 4.0.0.18 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: CTRL+M non functional
Jan, Alpha 17 - the subject sez it all Confirmed sporadically. I added the Mark all read function to the toolbar, so I can tell when it is not working (grayed out). Moving to another folder and back activates it. -- Gleason Using 4.0.0.17 (ALPHA) on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.0.17 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: What is Happening??
Kyle, Guess I should have offered more credentials before speaking about programming/debug techniques to qualify my concerns. I am a retired IS professional who was a MCSE, and retired as a fully qualifed IBM Systems Programmer. I started in programming long before the PC was even a glimmer on the personal horizon as an assembler programmer. I worked on most of the Mini-computers of that era before entering the mainframe arena. I worked on development progjects like sequential processing delivery for Arpanet (what is now referred to as The Internet). I built my own 8080 personal computer, etiched my own motherboard for it (it worked!) and coded assembler Great, I cut my teeth on Assembler too. But things have changed a lot since then. At one time it was not a large matter to slap together a DOS based pop email client that only did a few things. I understand the risks of using a development system, but as I stated before, even with a deveopment effort, there has to be structure to deveopment or you end up shooting yourself in the foot too many times (been there, done that). My point here is that to effectivey assist in deveopment, there needs(has to be) a base line of stability (regression style never works well) so that testers can effectively test new code paths. If the base changes with each feature inclusion, where is the base for metrics? We aren't doing any metrics. I suspect that what will happen over the next several months is that with out help, TB will come to a level of stability where it can be called a beta, and then testing can be more like you describe. I think the eseential thing to notice here was that, for a long time, Rit made no new test releases, and people complained. We want to be included in what is happening. So, Rit decided to start releasing alphas. Now people complain that what we are getting is not up to our personal standard of what is testable. Would it feel better if Rit called them pre-alphas? Or should they go back to not making any more releases until they have a real beta for us? -- Gleason Using 4.0.0.17 (ALPHA) on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.0.17 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Found it
Stefan, Those who cannot use SSCE dictionary just as they could before, delete the registry key HKCU\Software\RIT\Speller and restart The Bat! I think this can solve the problem (of course, we'll make changes to the code ASAP). Also, please make sure that SSCE5531.DLL is located in the same directory with THEBAT.EXE. I found \RIT\The Bat!\Speller. Removed that. Still no spell check. The files in the TB program directory are SSCE5132.dll SSCE5532.dll -- Gleason Using 4.0.0.17 (ALPHA) on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.0.17 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Found it
Michal, Warsaw/PL, Saturday, February 2, 2008 Hello Rick, On Sat, 2 Feb 2008, at 14:45:04 (which was 20:45 where I live) in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: RG I am still getting the same errors. I have 2 DLLs in the Bat's RG program folder; SSCE5132.dll and SSCE5532.dll Close TB!, delete SSCE5132.dll, remove spelled registry entry, start TB! again. It worked for me. Ok, Remove the registry entry because it is back, and delete that file. Still no spell check. -- Gleason Using 4.0.0.17 (ALPHA) on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.0.17 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Found it
Stefan, Hello Stuart, SC Sorry this did not solve anything for me. On the other hand I cannot SC change to this as it always comes up as CSAPI. It doesn't matter what comes up in the Option dialogue. I guess, it's a bit confusing now. The main feature of the new MicroEd is possibility to use multiple spell checker engines and languages in a single message. In the Options dialogue, selecting a engine from the combo box does not mean you select the engine you're going to use exclusively, but only the options available for that engine. That's it. Spell Checker menu Languages submenu No choices chosen in the submenu? Then you aren't going to get any spell checking. Obviously it is possible to choose more than one. But you do need to choose at least one. Doing that got me back to a working spell checker. Now, back to the basics. You are saying that you have SSCE5532.DLL (note the name) together with THEBAT.EXE, have the SPELLER directory with several .CLX files in the same directory and still don't have languages in editor? Yes, I have the speller directory with the clx files. I assume that is part of it too. -- Gleason Using 4.0.0.17 (ALPHA) on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.0.17 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is Happening??
Kyle, In order to progressively test a product, a base line of functionality has to be established with a completely functional stable product. Then as each each feature is implemented, it's fuctionality is tested. If it breaks a stable function, that is fixed before anything else is implemented in order to update a stable base. The unhappy truth of programming is that functions are interrelated in ways that often baffle non-programmers. Is it necessary for a working function to no longer work simply because some change has been made? Such things do often happen. So there is a testing strategy called regression testing. With every new alpha (which is not even good enough to be called a beta, so pretty shaky), testers go through the entire program looking for things that don't work any more. Yes, absolutely report these, but understand that fixing those things will have whatever priority the necessities of programming reality dictate. It might be necessary to put that issue on hold for a while and look at other things. It might be that the resolution of the problem will depend on what happens with those other things, for instance. Agan, It is not my intent to be insulting or say I can do it better. I am just trying to determine if I should continue using TB on a daily basis as my client or move to something more stable and watch for a notice that TB has has been released. The You are about to use an alpha version message when TB starts is serious and fair warning. You should heed it and accept or reject the risk as your needs dictate. -- Gleason Using 4.0.0.17 (ALPHA) on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.0.16 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0.0.16
Maxim, The Bat! 4.0.0.16 (ALPHA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/alpha/tb40016.rar What's new in 4.0.0.16 since 4.0.0.15: [*] Add multifind for HTML viewer [-] The file ex_log.txt could give empty version info if an exception was logged when The Bat! was about to exit. [*] The Bat! now writes The Unicode Byte Order Mark (BOM) to the ex_log.txt to make easier for word processors like NotePad+, MS Word, etc. recognize the format of the file when loading it. You can find out more about BOM at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_Order_Mark [-] The Bat! couldn't connect to servers because of a host name resolution bug under Windows 2000 and earlier (ALPHA ISSUE) [-] The Bat! was now able to display unknown certificate extensions when viewing a certificate by S/MIME internal implementation. [*] When you choose Tools|File Encrypt or Sign, the name of the destination file will automatically put, the extension of the output file will depend on whether the operation is Signing (.p7s) or Encryption (.p7m). Also, when you check a detached digital signature of a file, it will automatically strip the .p7s extension. [+] Viewer Profiles make it possible to use different sets of fonts and colours when viewing/editing messages [-] (#0006617) Statusbar popups stopped working in 4.0.0.5 Hmm,nospacecharacter.Somethinginconfig?Thenewviewerprofilefeature? Current beta is 4.0.0.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Using 4.0.0.16 (ALPHA) on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.0.16 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0.0.16
Maxim, The Bat! 4.0.0.16 (ALPHA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/alpha/tb40016.rar What's new in 4.0.0.16 since 4.0.0.15: [*] Add multifind for HTML viewer [-] The file ex_log.txt could give empty version info if an exception was logged when The Bat! was about to exit. [*] The Bat! now writes The Unicode Byte Order Mark (BOM) to the ex_log.txt to make easier for word processors like NotePad+, MS Word, etc. recognize the format of the file when loading it. You can find out more about BOM at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_Order_Mark [-] The Bat! couldn't connect to servers because of a host name resolution bug under Windows 2000 and earlier (ALPHA ISSUE) [-] The Bat! was now able to display unknown certificate extensions when viewing a certificate by S/MIME internal implementation. [*] When you choose Tools|File Encrypt or Sign, the name of the destination file will automatically put, the extension of the output file will depend on whether the operation is Signing (.p7s) or Encryption (.p7m). Also, when you check a detached digital signature of a file, it will automatically strip the .p7s extension. [+] Viewer Profiles make it possible to use different sets of fonts and colours when viewing/editing messages [-] (#0006617) Statusbar popups stopped working in 4.0.0.5 CharactersetkeepschangingtoCyrillic.ShouldbeWesternEuropean.Theviewerprofilechoiceonthehtml/editorconfigurationscreen resetsitselftodefaultafterclosingtheconfigurationscreen. Current beta is 4.0.0.15 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- Gleason Using 4.0.0.16 (ALPHA) on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.0.16 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0.0.16
Stefan, Hello Gleason, GP Hmm,nospacecharacter.Somethinginconfig?Thenewviewerprofilefeature? I guess, you've defined Space as a hotkey in the main window's or editor's main menu... Don't think so. Only occurs in Microed. I turned off auto-wrap and auto-format, and set the insert cursor shape to be block, now I get spaces. Turn on auto-format, no spaces. Auto-wrap and cursor shape don't have an effect. -- Gleason Using 4.0.0.16 (ALPHA) on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 4.0.0.16 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: Imap
Alto, GP The thing that amazes me is that people can continue to argue that TB GP Imap does not work while so many of us here attest otherwise. A matter of usage behaviour, I suppose. If I start TheBat at nine in the morning and at ten have to discover that it's not like nobody would have sent me any mail in the meantime but that TheBat's joblist has frozen and is simply not collecting the new mail already piling up in my account, for me that's the definition of not usable. If I have to discover days after answering some mails that my answers in fact hadn't been sent as directed but are still lingering in the out folder, that also constitutes not usable. Other people may have other definitions. No, other people have at least that definition. Even Thunderbird can do that much. TB users (like me) usually have a number of other message handling requirements. What we are having trouble expressing effectively is that TB meets all those requirements. Usually a person who is getting a behavior from their software that other users don't...usually that person would wonder about conditions on their computer and not condemn the software as unusable. -- Gleason Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Imap
Vilius, You should not take someones thoughts out of the context. I'm with Gary here. We, the admins and IT pros, KNOW how IMAP works. And you know what? There is *nothing* special about it. It's not a rocket science. Without IMAP extensions it can be easily implemented as fast as in 3-4 months time by the group of 5 students. I KNOW that because I've DONE IT during couple of my projects. Without Imap extensions. Actually, what I see is that not one email client developer has done a good complete job of implementing Imap, as easy as you say it is. TB has come closest. b) Limit some of the client side functionality depending on the protocol you use. This gives same advantages as above. Yes, this is what Becky has done, for instance. Limited filters for Imap, etc. Not acceptable, in my opinion. As for basic Imap operation, Becky has the bad habit of going into endless loop when trying to access one of my Imap servers. And no multithreading with the servers. Eudora and Pocomail attempted that and both made a big mess of it. Have your students done better? No, TB gets the prize for taking on the whole job and doing an acceptable job of it. I don't know who runs that company, but this is just plain wrong even for me, guy from post-Soviet country. Which is an undeserved slap at yourself and Moldova. -- Gleason Using 4.0.0.6 (ALPHA) on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Imap
Randy, Actually, what I see is that not one email client developer has done a good complete job of implementing Imap, as easy as you say it is. TB has come closest. Actually, this is not correct. Mulberry is by far the best, most complete, and most capable IMAP client. Unfortunately, it has an outdated GUI and complex configuration. For me, complete includes things that Mulberry does not do, such as better than primitive html/graphics handling, notes attached to messages. And Mulberry does have performance issues too. No, MB doesn't make the cut. -- Gleason Using 4.0.0.6 (ALPHA) on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Imap
Randy, On 1/3/2008, Gleason wrote: For me, complete includes things that Mulberry does not do, such as better than primitive html/graphics handling, notes attached to messages. And Mulberry does have performance issues too. No, MB doesn't make the cut. The issues you point out have nothing to do with its ability to handle IMAP (and, as far as I know, the performance issues stem mainly from not being multithreaded but I could be wrong on that). Yes, multithreading is another important lack in MB, whether it is resposible for the performance issues or not. In strictly discussing which e-mail client has the best IMAP handling, Mulberry is it. If all you care about is negotiating the Imap protocol, Pine for Windows is the choice. If you expand it to include a host of other things, such as what you've mentioned, then, you're right, MB doesn't make the cut. It's those reasons why I, too, no longer use Mulberry. TB's IMAP may be lacking but it makes up for it in a ton of other ways and, like most people, I keep my fingers crossed that one day IMAP will be truly addressed in The Bat!. -- :R. I see a tremendous improvement in TB Imap over the past few years. That while other clients have not improved and some even given up. I don't think that the improvement could have happened any other way. There aren't enough years in the day to develop such facility on a shorter time frame. I don't see any reason to expect that TB's Imap won't continue to improve. -- Gleason Using 4.0.0.6 (ALPHA) on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Address History enhancement
Sadi, The newly introduced feature is great. But i think needs to be enhanced. For example, i see thousands of addresses inadress tab..The main reason for bulky results orijinates from cc contacts unrelated to me. I mean Mr. X sends an email to 50 contacts . But other contacts are totally unknown to me. Trying to delete all unrelated contacts from address history or tab is heavily time consuming. Yes, some way to quickly and easily limit entries. It is however, a history, so some bloat should be expected. I don't like the address book idea, since I don't use the address book and don't see a way in program setup to automatically add addresses that I respond or write to. Perhaps an option to limit entries to address book or entries in the view history button on new message address lines. But allow a full history if the user needs that. But, I agree, the central good idea is a way to choose an email address and see in a list all email from that person from across a configurable set of folders. I have posted an enhancement request for the 'Address History' tab: I would like to see the entries from my address book there in stead of a collection of email addresses from the email history. If you want to support this, please do so: George M. Menegakis I voted for this. Actually I proposed an George M. Menegakis enhancement, to add a specific George M. Menegakis setting to addressbook entry. A setting like George M. Menegakis Add this address to the instant George M. Menegakis address (Favorite) pop-up menu, for example George M. Menegakis Track e-mail history with this George M. Menegakis address -- Gleason Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Address History enhancement
Marek, Hello all, Wednesday, January 2, 2008, Gleason Pace wrote: Yes, some way to quickly and easily limit entries. It is however, a history, so some bloat should be expected. I don't like the address book idea, since I don't use the address book and don't see a way in program setup to automatically add addresses that I respond or write to. Perhaps an option to limit entries to address book or entries in the view history button on new message address lines. But allow a full history if the user needs that. But, I agree, the central good idea is a way to choose an email address and see in a list all email from that person from across a configurable set of folders. if You open context menu on this address, You will see option Link a virtual folder, try it :-) Also View Message History With This Person if you don't want to add a folder to your already extensive folder list. The history will be more useful for the time when you aren't sure of the email address and don't have an email from the person at hand. In such cases, a history will be what you need. -- Gleason Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Imap
Peter, On 30-12-2007 15:56, you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, naturally, I cannot comment on this. You could try the others to see how well they do. Filters work. Not always. Nothing is always. TB is quite reliable. Well, this (unfinished) message illustrates my point pretty well. Remote mailbox. Parked message now sent. 'nuff said. Now go have a look at Pocomail's Imap. -- Gleason Using 4.0.0.6 (ALPHA) on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Imap
Peter, Now go have a look at Pocomail's Imap. Why should I? I have not paid for Pocomail. Because I heard you accusing TB of ripping people off. If somebody gets the prize for making a big splash, doing little to fix anything, and fading away with people's money, it has to be Slaven Radich. I never have problems with Outlook. But Outlook is not the program that TB is either, is it? Have you made a list of the things that TB does in the way of mail handling that Outlook does not? Virtual folders Color groups View mode etc. And if you have bought all the MS Office versions since 97, how much have you paid? -- Gleason Using 4.0.0.6 (ALPHA) on Windows XP, 5.1, Build 2600. IMAP email provider is Fastmail, which uses Cyrus server software. Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
