Re: 10.4.0.16 - OAuth issue
>> I have had to revert to 10.4.0.11 as I have 2 GMail accounts setup using >> IMAP & OAuth authentication >> and with 10.4.0.15 I keep getting redirected to authenticate via the web >> each time I start The Bat > Appears to be fixed in 10.4.0.16 , Thanks Spoke too soon, still an issue in 10.4.0.16 Kevin Win 11 22H2 64bit 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 10.4.0.15
> I have had to revert to 10.4.0.11 as I have 2 GMail accounts setup using > IMAP & OAuth authentication > and with 10.4.0.15 I keep getting redirected to authenticate via the web > each time I start The Bat Appears to be fixed in 10.4.0.16 , Thanks Kevin 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 10.4.0.15
> Here we go again with the new beta version: > > Versions with the auto-update feature: > 32-bit > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/v10/thebat_32_10-4-0-15.msi > 64-bit > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/v10/thebat_64_10-4-0-15.msi I have had to revert to 10.4.0.11 as I have 2 GMail accounts setup using IMAP & OAuth authentication and with 10.4.0.15 I keep getting redirected to authenticate via the web each time I start The Bat If I disable 1 of the GMail accounts it works fine , It looks like only 1 OAuth authentication is getting stored and overwriting the earlier Authentication Causing me to have to re-authenticate each time I start TheBat Reverting to 10.4.0.11 works fine (After a few cycles of authenticating the GMail accounts again) Kevin (Windows 11 22H2, TheBat 64bit) 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v10 beta 5
I should have added The behaviour appears to be caused by TBLauncher If I modify the registry to run thebat.exe instead of TBLauncher mailto works OK Kevin Using The Bat! Version 10 beta 5 (64-bit) on Windows 11 (10.0.22000.556]) 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v10 beta 5
I can confirm that behaviour Kevin Using The Bat! Version 10 beta 5 (64-bit) on Windows 11 (10.0.22000.556 ) 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v10 beta 5
On 18-Mar-2022, Gwen wrote: > WTH. mailto protocol still broken. > Can not be fixed by renaming :-( I believe that the issue lies with TBLauncher (Possibly not passing the correct parameters to an existing session of Thebat.exe) If I do not have TheBat running MailTo links launch Thebat OK, but once its running MailTo is broken If I change the "Default" registry key at "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\The Bat! mailto\shell\open\command" To run TheBat.exe instead of TBLauncher MailTo works OK (Windows 11 x64, The Bat 10 Beta 5) 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v10 beta 4 - TBLauncher fails to start
That was also the case for Beta 2 (which I posed here) It looks like the launcher looks in "%USERPROFILE%\AppData\Local\The Bat!" irrespective of the location you specify when installing I worked around this by creating a link "%USERPROFILE%\AppData\Local\The Bat!" to the actual install location 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v10 beta 2
I had the same issue when originally installing Beta 2 (I did not
use/install Beta 1)
The issue turned out to be due to me installing The Bat! in a different
folder than the default (in my case "D:\The Bat!", I have always installed
it there)
It appears that the launcher only tries to run th ebat fro
"C:\users\{username}\appdata\local\The Bat!."
Installing in the default location works for me as does creating a symbolic
link to "D:\The Bat!" in "C:\users\{username}\appdata\local\The Bat!"
Kevin
TheBat! 10 beta 2 Pro (64bit) on Windows 11.0 21H2 (Build 22000.493)
'Using TBBETA' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.3 - Detault Mail Setting is Lost
On 9-Nov-2020, "Ethan J. Mings" wrote: > Open MS Word > Create a file > Attempt to send from within Word > It cannot find the Default Client - The Bat. I had the same issue, but uninstalling and reinstalling "fixed" it I assume that the upgrade install left something behind that the uninstall removed. Kevin 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.1.6.5
> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9165-64.rar When minimizing to the tool tray the menu bar is not displayed/repainted on restore in the window. This works OK when minimizing to the task bar. Also the menu bar repaints if I open a pop-out windows such as opening an Email and then close it This has been happening for the last few versions but is OK in 9.1.6 Kevin Windows 10 x64 , Intel HD Graphics 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 9.1.10
Hi maxim The following problem has existed since at least 9.1.6.3 & still persists in 9.1.10 It was OK in 9.1.6 (don't know about 9.1.6.1 & 91.6.2) When minimizing to the tool tray the menu bar is not displayed/repainted on restore in the window. This works OK when minimizing to the task bar. Also the menu bar repaints if I open a pop-out windows such as opening an Email and then close it Kevin Windows 10 x64 , Intel HD Graphics , TheBat 64bit version > The Bat! 9.1.10 MSI files are available at: > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_9-1-10.msi 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.1.6.4
Hello Maxim, MMvT> The Bat! 9.1.6.4 (BETA) is available at MMvT> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9164-64.rar When minimizing to the system tray the toolbars are not repainted when the windows is restored The menu bar is gray , moving over the toolbars repaints the icons so it shows again , also opening another window (such as composing an Email and then closing it) repaints the menu bar This is not the case when minimizing to the task bar. Which displays correctly. PC - Windows 10 64bit, Intel HD graphics. Kevin 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.1.6.5
> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9165-64.rar When minimizing to the tool tray the menu bar is not displayed/repainted on restore in the window. This works OK when minimizing to the task bar. Also the menu bar repaints if I open a pop-out windows such as opening an Email and then close it This has been happening for the last few versions but is OK in 9.1.6 Kevin Windows 10 x64 , Intel HD Graphics 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Screen splits
Hello Tbbeta, I have the same problem as others with split screen keeping it's settings. Can't find the enteries in the reg as per Stefan's post. Have enclosed image of what's in my reg for Bat. -- Best regards, Kevin mailto:ke...@z1r.eclipse.co.ukattachment: bat reg.png Current beta is 5.0.0.149 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0.0.9 ALPHA
Hello Maxim, Thursday, January 10, 2008, 11:15:22 AM, you wrote: [-] The spellchecker will work again with the given DLL. Works with UK English. Many thanks. -- Kevin Using 4.0.0.9 (ALPHA) on Vista Ultimate Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat! 4.0.0.2 ALPHA
Hello Jernej, Saturday, December 22, 2007, 3:04:03 PM, you wrote: This looks very very very ugly (and very hard to read). How do I get TB to use my system colors? Ouch, that was hard to read and very ugly. All I can say is that I'm glad that my copy looks nothing like that. -- Kevin Using 4.0.0.2 (ALPHA) on Vista Ultimate Current beta is 3.99.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Vista : missing OTFE type in right down corner of main window
Hello Marek, Saturday, October 27, 2007, 9:19:07 PM, you wrote: in my TB under Windows XP, there is selected OTFE type displayed in right down corner. It is Plain for example for disabled OTFE. Yep, it's on mine, it says On-The-fly Pwd. As I see in TB under Vista, there is nothing about it in main window. I'm running Vista Ultimate and have it. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.99.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v3.72.04 (beta) printing remains unusable
Hi Richard, On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 09:52:56 -0500 (9:52 AM here), Richard Newman [RN] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: RN I am continuing to get miniscule, postage-stamp size pages when RN printing from v3.72.04. This began with v3.71.01. This does not RN happen when using v3.71.03, or earlier, on exactly the same files. Cannot confirm. Printing works fine over here using an HP 7410. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.72.04 (Beta) under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgprmGDi4VP1b.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.72.04 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Mail Ticker Won't Display
Hello TBBeta! I have TB installed on both my desktop and notebook. Both installations are clones of one another by copying the complete /Batmail directory. The ticker works on my desktop machine but not on my notebook. The settings are the same within each installation. Any suggestions would be appreciated. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.71.03 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpsudyCWE3b7.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Mail Ticker Won't Display
Hi Charlene, On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:41:30 +0100 (2:41 PM here), Charlene Ferrara [CF] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: CF Maybe it is related to the screen size, IIRC it is stored in the CF registry. I wish what to change. I did review the registry but couldn't find anything specific. CF The ticker on your notebook would show up fine if it had the same CF screen size as your desktop machine. There is an entry in the CF registry, changing the values may bring it back. Maybe someone knows which registry value. I did resize the main Bat screen and drop the ticker in the center of it on my desktop. My hope was that when copying the /Batmail directory to the notebook, the ticker position would be saved and viewable. It didn't work. :( My 21 desktop is 1200x1600 and my 15 notebook is 1200x800 so perhaps the ticker is appearing where my keyboard is. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.71.03 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpf2VzYjy8D7.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.61.10 Echo (Beta) is now available
Hello Krzysztof, Thursday, October 6, 2005, 10:19:24 AM, you wrote: On 2005-10-06 (10:55), you wrote: Switches to Default theme on every start, although seems to save user's choice. Just doesn't read it while starting. Confirmed Here's another confirmation. Started up as default, I altered to a different theme and closed TB and when restarted it was back as default. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.61.10 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
Hi John Thomas - On Sun, 2 Oct 2005, at 09:35:28 [GMT -0700] (which was 9:35 AM where I live) you wrote: I am back to trying TB's IMAP now that Mulberry is toast. Incidentally, shouldn't the business folks at Ritlabs recognize that there are a bunch of potential new customers in the market, given Mulberry's demise, and a BIG FIRM commitment to fast errorless IMAP by Ritlabs would be a good strategy to get those folks money? Most of your post has been responded to. I think there are few things to keep in mind. 1. Mulberry isn't toast. At least, not yet. It is still a very robust IMAP client. Until such time that new functionality (e.g. security) renders it useless, it will continued to be utilized by many, including myself. 2. Unlike Mulberry that was built from the ground-up with IMAP in mind, TB added IMAP functionality to what basically was and has been a POP client. Consequently, the IMAP functionality of TB has always been less than robust (I am trying to be nice), IMO. Whether this continues, remains to be seen although I have been waiting for over 2 years for a reliable and speedy client from them. Right now, what you see is what you get. Your (and everyone else's) mileage may vary. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpo9DDsBN5Hr.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
Hi Dimitry Andric - On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, at 19:35:57 [GMT +0200] (which was 10:35 AM where I live) you wrote: On 2005-09-23 at 16:20:42 Clive Taylor wrote: Usually though, choosing Abort all tasks in Connection Centre kills these hanging/repeating tasks off, and then pressing Alt-F2 reconnects to the IMAP server(s) and goes further where it was stuck before. Btw, I know that IMAP is hard stuff, since the protocol quite honestly seems to suck. But why do ALL other IMAP clients (e.g. Thunderbird, Mulberry, and even Outlook!) have almost zero problems with at least the basic operations, such as retrieving mail, browsing folders, etc? Same problem here. Frozen IMAP connections. BTW, IMAP IS NOT hard stuff. The RFC is clear and concise and that is the reason clients such as Thunderbird and Mulberry (and even Outlook) are pretty flawless at implementation. I for one would like to see RIT either fix IMAP or pull it from the product and concentrate at what they seem to know best: the antiquated POP3. I think I'm outta here. Mulberry is just so much more robust when it comes to IMAP handling. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.61.07 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpcceViwI8ze.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.07 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: View All Messages Problem
Hi 9Val, On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:53:56 +0300 (9:53 AM here), 9Val [9] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: V Write a BT, I support it. 9 No need, already fixed :) Thank you ... and belated happy birthday. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.61.04 beta under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpMvSEselgIH.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.05 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
View All Messages Problem
Hello TBBeta! Excuse me if this has already been mentioned as I'm a bit behind in my mail. :) View|Display|All Messages does not work if I've altered the view (like Only Unread Messages) and try to return to it. The message counter shows there are messages, but none display. I have to resort to selecting View Only Read messages if I want to see what's in the folder. It never used to be this way. When I open TB all the messages are viewable. The problem only occurs when changing the view. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.61.05 Echo (Beta) under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgp02mB9zX4zR.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.05 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: View All Messages Problem
Hi Stuart, On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:17:52 -0500 (6:17 PM here), Stuart Cuddy [SC] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: SC Have you been playing with Message Tabs. Once selected you seem to SC need to Unselect and then reselect to get things back to normal. No, I was unaware of how to setup Tabs until searching this list a few minutes ago. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.61.05 Echo (Beta) under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpohvyT7XUrP.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.05 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: View All Messages Problem
Hi Stuart, On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:17:52 -0500 (6:17 PM here), Stuart Cuddy [SC] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: SC Have you been playing with Message Tabs. Once selected you seem to SC need to Unselect and then reselect to get things back to normal. After some testing, I think its a bug. Using 3.61.04 my switching between View|Display|Unread and All works normally. When I use 3.61.05 the display breaks. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.61.04 beta under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgphh1GN7MdC6.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.05 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Themes don't stick with OTFE
Hello Henk, Saturday, September 17, 2005, 8:27:23 AM, you wrote: I am not using themes but FWIW I am using OTFE and after selecting a theme and closing and restarting the Bat! starts with the default theme. Aren't computers wonderful? It still works here with no problem. I've tried it with a few themes and each one has stuck. Not sure why mine seems to be the only machine where the themes stick when using OTFE. I wasn't using themes previously, I just decided to see if I would have the problems that everyone else was. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.61.05 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Themes don't stick with OTFE
Hello Zygmunt, Friday, September 16, 2005, 9:38:45 PM, you wrote: Cannot confirm, themes in my TB! work correctly even in OTFE mode. They are here as well and I'm also using OTFE. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.61.05 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Themes don't stick with OTFE
Hello Zygmunt, Friday, September 16, 2005, 9:49:09 PM, you wrote: Ooops! Themes are changeable only during one session. After restart The Bat! retrieves old theme that was used in version 3.61.03 Do you mean restart of The Bat or an actual reboot of Windows? Themes stick here after a restart of The Bat, not going to reboot Windows to see if the theme sticks though as I only reboot Windows if I absolutely have to. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.61.05 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: I cant take it anymore, slow TB!
Hi Roelef On 9/5/05, Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's only mentioning the defragging of the message bases. Actually that's not hard to do, provided that you've got ample space. Only thing TB has to do before compressing is to estimate the amount of space needed for the compressed folder. Pick a piece of diskspace that's big enough and to place the compressed copy there. TB doesn't need to care about the rest of the disk, so it's just a matter of targeting the right real estate. Mind elaborating on this a bit, since now I'm intrigued. I was under the impression that Windows used a disk-based system and that you can't just allocated blocks to write to like the heap. Additionally, I was under the impression that the one of the big ideas of the filesystem was that develepor's did not need to concern themselves with how the data was laid out on disk and as such there is no guarantee on the contiguity of the data. It has been a while since I've done any real Windows programming though, so things may have changed. Pointers would be appreciated. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.61.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Using its own local smtp
Hi Claude, On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:52:47 +0200 (8:52 AM here), Claude Renaud [CR] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: CR Does someone know a software which could be used as a local smtp CR server : I would like to find such a solution to send my message CR independently of my providers. While there are many solutions, be aware that some domains like aol won't allow you to send mail directly to them. For those you must route mail through your ISP. Some that I've tried and used: Mail Direct Pro http://www.ocloudsoft.com/index.htm Advanced Direct Remailer http://www.mailutilities.com/adr/ 602 LAN Suite - does direct sending and much more http://www.software602.com/products/ls/ -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.51.10 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpzmuXYpu5Ng.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP - Multiple Connections, and bad behaviour
Hi Jonathan Angliss - On Sun, 31 Jul 2005, at 22:42:05 [GMT -0500] (which was 8:42 PM where I live) you wrote: So what am I seeing. I'm seeing bad handling of multiple connections. It appears that, despite having dedicated 4 connections to TB, it seems to not queue the requests correctly. I've attached a screen shot of my connection center. That is how it has been for the last 10 minutes (another issue is I cannot delete the SetFlag request which I've no idea what it is doing, but that's another post). Notice the multiple items in the queue. It'd appear that TB hands out items to be queued to each connection, and then each connection processes its own queue. This can lead to issues like I have in my situation now where I have several items queued on one connection, and the other 3 connections sitting idle. I have the exact same problem here. I'm looking at the connection center as I write this and there are 6 hung processes (using IMAP BTW). I have TB configured to 10 connections and only 2 are being used. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpGQ6pqQTyjQ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP - Multiple Connections, and bad behaviour
Hi -=Curtis=- - On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, at 16:24:17 [GMT -0500] (which was 2:24 PM where I live) you wrote: On Wednesday, August 03, 2005 at 3:22:29 PM [GMT -0500], Kevin Amazon wrote: yeah. Only 2 are ever being used. The interesting thing is that once the queued tasks for a particular folder hangs, you're still able to go on your merry way working with the other folders. Exactly. I have now 3 tasks that are obviously hung (having been executing for over 3 hours). It is pretty obvious to me that IMAP is still not quite ready for prime time. sigh -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.51.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgp4pO7ILAlvD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Race, what race?
On 7/6/05, Tony Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: !06/07/2005, 17:12:37: IMAP - 1: Cannot flag messages due to processing error I wasn't trying to flag anything, I was just trying to read an unread message. Comments RL? Not that I represent RL, but I think the flagging message has to do with marking the email as read. As for the error, you'll have to wait for RL on that one ;-) -- Kevin Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP don'ts to get things working better
Hi Allie Martin - On Sat, 2 Jul 2005, at 08:23:10 [GMT -0500] (which was 6:23 AM where I live) you wrote: After a long absence, I decided to play with the latest build of TB. To my surprise, it appears to be significantly more robust that any previous release with IMAP. My configuration consists of TB connected to our MDaemon mail server via 1GB Ethernet (no bandwidth issues). I can offer the following replies. - I avoid working with large mailboxes, i.e., no more than 4000 messages per mailbox. This may be even less if I end up having say 5 or more folders with a large amount of messages. Totally agree. TB seems to lose its mind with large mailboxes and freezes. - I currently don't subscribe to my junk mail or other mailboxes that I check infrequently. I check those via webmail. I do this because they interfere with smooth reading of unread mail while jumping from mailbox to mailbox automatically. I wish I could be subscribed to a mailbox but not have its counts updated unless I explicitly request it. Totally agree - I don't use a server side Outbox. It's just troublesome and often leads to multiple messages being sent and multiple messages being in the outbox when using the intermittent save option while composing. I do and have not had any problems with the latest TB build and have never had multiple messages being sent - I don't filter much with TB! I filter when MDaemon doesn't provide what I need. I have not had any filtering problems with the latest build. - I avoid opening large attachments in my lower bandwidth environment. I save them for when I get home. I may get multiple attachments in a single message, with a few being appropriate for viewing in a low bandwidth setting. However, TB! is all or none with attachment retrieval. Can't comment. I have a very fast connection so this is a non issue with me - I don't use any of the synchronise settings for any of my mailboxes. I disable synchronization for all mailboxes. Agreed - I no longer use the ticker. I may revisit this since I haven't tried it in a long time. I use it. It works fine - I don't manage my mailboxes using TB!. I do it server side, i.e., mailbox creations and deletions or making a folder a sub-folder or another. LOL. I certainly agree with this one. So with all these 'workarounds'/avoiding or steering clear of behaviours may be creating an impression of tranquility. However, it's artificial in that I really shouldn't have to be avoiding features. No you shouldn't but you have some challenges with bandwidth on occassion that might certainly manage your system so that it suits your purposes However, with all that, I still somewhat prefer what it's doing now to Mulberry. I'm getting hooked again on the templates and MicroEd so I may be getting swooned into tolerating some 'gyrations' to get things working Ok. :) I like the new version of Mulberry but I too am hooked on TB's templates and other features. The latest build may very well be a keeper for me. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5.35 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/37 - Release Date: 7/1/2005 Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [OT] Re: It worries me...
On 6/30/05, Alexander S. Kunz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you a programmer? I'm not an international-level cricketer or footballer or tennis player, but that doesn't stop me passing informed comment on them. Or that what you think informed is. This whole discussion is just weird. I think Mic hit the nail on the head. You don't need to be a domain expert in everything to pass good judgement on it. I don't have to be a programmer (although I am) to understand that there's something wrong. It's pretty easy to look at the net result and conclude that something is flawed in the process. After all, if the process was working well, so should the end product. This isn't to trivialize the amount of working that goes into writing an app, but c'mon, we paid for it. We wouldn't expect this quality from anyone else. If my accountant consistently messed up my taxes, I wouldn't expect it to excused because the documents are hard to interpret. If my lawyer consistently wrote contracts for me that simply don't hold up in court, I wouldn't say, don't worry about it pal, it's hard, complex work. My point is, we can certainly empathize, but we shouldn't excuse. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.5.34 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [OT] Re: It worries me...
On 6/30/05, Dwight A Corrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is at least part of the rub. The product works pretty damn well. I'd urge you to look at the amount of list traffic. It may work well for you, but it does not appear to work well as a general purpose mail client. It's to the point where I can't even use it for my every day work. It's also one of the very few programs I've touched in the past 3 years or so that gives me AVs. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [OT] Re: It worries me...
On 6/30/05, Dwight A Corrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, June 30, 2005, 1:23:46 PM, Kevin Menard wrote: I'd urge you to look at the amount of list traffic. I see the list traffic. Lots of it is the same few people repeating the same complaints over and over. And threads like this with miles of handwringing and telling about how if they were in charge, things would sure be different around here. There's a difference between making a suggestion and saying if I was in charge, I would do this. The former is constructive, the latter is not. Perhaps we're repeating the same complaints over and over because the same bugs keep resurfacing (which good regression testing would address) and because overly broad goals are stated that are never achieved. it does not appear to work well as a general purpose mail client You must live in a different world. Or you have never had to rely on Outlook, or OE, or Pegasus, or Eudora. Making relative comparisons is a logical flaw. Something can suck, and just not suck as bad as the alternatives. That doesn't mean that it works well, it just means it works better than others. With that said, waiting minutes for it to refresh IMAP folders is ridiculous. Bring on OE or Pegasus or Eudora. If it can retrieve my mail in a timely manner and show the correct message (which TB! has a history of not doing), then I'd be tolerant of the mess that is TB! nowadays. There have certainly been some bad decision making in making the betas also be the currently released product, and if all this complaining was among users on TBUDL they would have more room to complain, but this is a beta list, and this is beta testing. Beta testing implies other testing has occurred. It is quite evident that is not the case. It's kind of ironic that right now all the complaining is about betas which act like betas, when just a few weeks ago there was all this complaining because there was no aggressive beta cycle going on. There was so much begging that we got an alpha, then there was complaining because the alpha had bugs and AVs. I wasn't part of that discussion, but I'd hardly say matters have improved much. Just a couple hours ago, we had two betas released back to back because the first one was broken. Now we have a large contingent who want to redesign the whole process because the people in Moldavia obviously don't have a clue about anything. Out of all the areas of expertise mentioned or unmentioned in this thread, I'd have to say that professionals in the areas discussed often know more and can judge better than all the volunteer experts. Who judges what makes a person an expert? Just because they produce the software doesn't make them experts. There are certainly plenty of software companies out there composed of junior programmers. Sure, it's a learning process, but operate in a closed world and you won't learn very much. RL needs to learn something from the current mess. I also wish you wouldn't put words into people's mouths. Where did anyone say that RL obviously don't have a clue about anything? I would honestly like to see such a quote, since I don't think inflammatory comments like that should be permitted on the list. I would say that while I'm not a professional chef, I can judge when food is palatable to me, when it has too much salt etc. Usually when it isn't spicy (piquant) enough, it's way to hot for others to eat, but my tongue still knows. Past that, however, I tend to defer to the experts on lots of the technical matters. We can keep going down the analogy road . . . Say you order a steak, and it comes back uncooked. You might see some grill marks, but it's quite evident it hasn't been cooked. Presuming you've actually cooked before, and probably do so on a regular basis, you've got a pretty good idea what the problem is. Certainly you know what the symptoms are. Would you not then be equipped to pass judgement on the chef's process? Or do you really feel that all you can say is this steak is too rare? Here in the states, you can always turn on a radio and find out lots of better ways to run any team in any team sport, (except hockey since they self-destructed :( ), who to trade, who to bench, etc. I'm sure lots of those people would be able to straighten out TB! as well. Ahh, good old sarcasm. The best way to hold a civil discussion. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: It worries me...
On 6/30/05, Leif Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True enough, but you gotta balance that against burnout. They do fix bugs, it may not be the bug you wanted fixed, but they aren't just adding all new features without fixing anything broke. I think the problem is they're fixing bugs that they're introducing along the way. They're not fixing long, outstanding bugs. Beta xx comes out, causes AVs and what not, so Beta yy comes out to fix the bugs introduced in xx. Now true, Beta yy was a bugfix release, but we're hardy any better off. And it's not just that, it's that bugs and features logged into BT just get blatantly ignored. So, there's not even the appearance that any one there cares. I really am sorry to report this. I've been trying to stick up for RL for the past few years. I stuck with them through V2 and I stuck up for them when the mob was ready to lynch them with the unannounced V3 release. But, I finally had to come to the realization that things are just bad. Enough is enough. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[4]: It worries me...
Hi Paul, On 6/30/05, Paul Van Noord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the heat of beta testing becomes unbearable why not revert to a stable version until the beta's are more stable? That is certainly more productive for all involved and you are the greatest beneficiary of all because you cannot find an email client comparable to TB 1.62 let alone versions 2 or 3. I would love to, honestly. Unfortunately, I haven't used any TB release that supported IMAP with any degree of reliability. I keep checking out the betas hoping the latest will be the greatest. In all fairness, it has been progressing, but at the cost of running into other issues that make working with TB not fun. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: It worries me...
On 7/29/05, Liz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've seen a lot of releases where strange odd things are broken, and it seems that a lot of unit tests usually done by the developer are either skipped or somehow successful where for so many of us it fails. With that said, I'm quite certain that regression testing in non-existent. Well, precluding this list ;-) As a developer I do know how hard it is to write something to suit everyone, however, if you broke something that used to work, rather than add new stuff, its much better for the confidence of your userbase to fix the broke stuff, before adding new. We all understand breakages, stuff happens, but when it remains broken, and ignored.. quite often people report bugs because they used that feature, and now their usage is hampered. Another concern of mine is the actual development strategy. Now, I know agile and XP methods are the new fad in development and are not suitable for everything, but it would benefit RL to adopt some of these practices. For example, saying the next beta series is going to address IMAP is unreasonable. IMAP is a big component and it's currently broken in a lot of ways. If instead RL broke things down into user stories, e.g., The user clicks the delete button and the message is removed immediately and worked on getting some of those accomplished in short, iterative cycles, they'd probably see much better results. As it is, when we see things such as IMAP fixes, the fixes are so disjoint from one another that it's not even clear what the focus was. Now, feel free to replace IMAP with any particular feature you'd like to see working. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: It worries me...
On 6/29/05, Dwight A Corrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't feel like it is my place to formulate the path and since I don't have a copy of the road map or of the code, I think I'll just keep testing, and try to help when I things seem broken. That's unfortunate. The customer should always formulate the path. Engineers operate in a closed world. I've run into it many times myself, so this isn't an RL-specific thing. Engineers will spend loads of time developing features that users don't want and never will use, while ignoring things that users actually want. There should be constant communication between the customer and the developer. The customer should say this is what we want and the developer should say okay, this is how long it will take to get there by taking such and such steps. As for beta testing, it's getting a bit old without any real regression testing going on. Every other beta, old fixed bugs creep back in, so we just end up reporting the same thing over and over again. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Gmail
Hi Stuart, On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:07:27 -0500 (4:07 PM here), Stuart Cuddy [SC] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: SC I know this isn't really relevant, but I thought I might get an SC answer quickest here. SC I am unable to connect to gmail. Anyone else? Using this URL? https://mail.google.com -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.30 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpTXV9kH72hu.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.26 don't start
Hi Mark, On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 08:44:50 +0200 (2:44 AM here), Mark Partous [MP] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: KC I suppose the account.* files could have been replaced one at a time KC until the offending bugger was found MP Because I did not spend too much time (thanks to your work), I did MP try out which file caused the problem, by putting them back one by MP one. MP It turned out to be the account.srb file that was the guilty one. Great!!! I'm not sure what that file does, but I'm sure Max will appreciate knowing where to look. MP Hope others with the same problem can switch to the newer Betas MP now too... MP Thanks again for your work! Glad you were able to pinpoint the file. Hopefully, this can be checked in future installations and this glitch can be put to rest. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.29 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpDgcUDkRg17.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.29
Hi Maik, On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 13:13:47 +0200 (7:13 AM here), Maik Lehmberg [ML] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: The solution is in MID:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ML Very fine, it works. - I found the account.srb-file of one account ML that prevented The Bat! from starting. It looks like we've found the culprit and those of us experiencing this issue can now run the latest betas. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.29 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpFuKbEpJOyB.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.26 don't start
Hi Alexander, On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:46:02 +0200 (4:46 AM here), Alexander S. Kunz [ASK] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: ASK Entering ...another silly idea... rename the Speller directory ASK in the application directory. Thanks for the suggestion, but I need my spelling checker, otherwise you'd all laugh at me. ;) In any event, that wasn't the problem. As you can see from my signature line, I've managed to fix things I can now run the latest versions. Just as I suspected, the problem wasn't OS related. It has something to do with my account settings. Unfortunately, I didn't pinpoint the exact cause. This is how I fixed it: I copied the mail directory to a safe place and exported the registry settings. Then I completely uninstalled The Bat!. I reinstalled the latest MSI and created 1 account. After closing The Bat! I imported the registry settings. This creates an empty account directory tree under the mail directory (/BatMail). I saved a copy of this newly created /BatMail directory in a safe place also. Then I copied one account at a time from my original saved /BatMail to the new installation, each time firing up The Bat! to make sure it would load. This was rather tedious as I have 19 email accounts. Eventually I found 2 accounts that caused The Bat to fail to load. I copied the old folder directories (inbox, outbox, etc) but add some of them manually ($KNOWN$, $JUNK$, etc). I also had to reconfigure the account properties. I managed to save all of my old message data which was my biggest concern. I can only conclude that the account.* data files for these 2 account had something not compatible with the latest Bat versions. Oddly enough they worked fine with older Bat versions and I had no problems downloading and sending messages with these accounts. If anyone else has this Bat loading problem and only has a few email accounts, perhaps it would be easier to just delete the account.* files and recreate them manually. This might save going through the gyrations I did. I would keep backups though before proceeding. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.28 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgp75ozCMCNBV.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.28 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.26 don't start
Hi Alexander, On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 17:01:25 +0200 (11:01 AM here), Alexander S. Kunz [ASK] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: ASK If you are sure its some data in the account.* files, I hope that ASK Maxim or anybody at RIT has an explanation... I mean - they ASK should know what they changed for .25 to .26 in that code area... I'm positive it has something to do with the account.* files. Its the only explanation as that is really the only thing that was changed in order to get The Bat! to load. There was nothing special about either account. One was a traditional POP and the other was POP through the FreePOPs relay. The options selected are no different than what I have declared in other accounts. Some type of more descriptive logging or loading screen would have helped identify the problem area without all this sleuthing. The frozen Logo screen is not very helpful. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.28 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpN2sOSZIOFP.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.28 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: PGP issue in 3.5.28
Hi Peter, On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 17:49:22 +0200 (11:49 AM here), Peter Meyns [PM] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: PM when I try to decrypt an inline encrypted message by clicking the PM Decrypt button, a Save as dialogue opens instead of the PM passphrase prompt. Worked ok in .26. I just ran a test and did not experience this. Is the message double encrypted? Try pressing F9 and cut the PGP portion to the clipboard and see what GPGShell shows. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.28 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpc3nKoLAcOK.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.28 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.26 don't start
Hi MAU, On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 23:02:23 +0200 (5:02 PM here), MAU [M] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: As you can see from my signature line, I've managed to fix things I can now run the latest versions. M That's good news. Even if you couldn't fully pin point the problem. I suppose the account.* files could have been replaced one at a time until the offending bugger was found. I ran out of ambition once the problem was fixed. BTW, this new version loads fine also. Hopefully, I'll never see that problem again. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.29 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpomktDYZ708.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.26 don't start
Hi Maxim, On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 01:29:24 +0300 (6:29 PM here), Maxim Masiutin [MM] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MM Could you please send me your troublesome account.* files, MM and we'll be able to fix the problem. Sure, but read my private e-mail to you first so I can send the files. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.29 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpZEuIfEhgiz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.26 don't start
Hi MAU, On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 11:28:59 +0200 (5:28 AM here), MAU [M] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Neither 3.5.25, 3.5.26 or 3.5.27 will start for me. All hang on the logo screen. M There certainly must be something system related that makes the M difference. Otherwise, I cannot understand why for example I have M never had those kind of problems and some of you seem to have it M quite frequently. There must be something different in our systems M that does affect TB, the problem is finding out what. I don't think the problem is system related. For convenience, I primarily use my notebook for messaging. However, I clone The Bat!, and several other data files 2-3x/week to my desktop machine. Both run WinXP Pro SP2, but my desktop has many more applications installed. I have this Bat loading problem on both systems. This leads me to believe that the problem is related to the settings I've configured in TB, or my message base data or a combination of both. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.24 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpGJ7mA2fDbt.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.26 don't start
Hi Alexander, On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:38:21 +0200 (6:38 AM here), Alexander S. Kunz [ASK] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: ASK I'm using XPSP2 here. No such problem. I do think the problem is with something in TB. It would be helpful if their was either a debug switch or some method of providing detailed logging to see where in the loading process the problem occurs. Unfortunately, with (or without) the logo screen I can't see what is happening behind the scenes. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.24 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpk8dWE0R5e2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hi Marek, On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:06:14 +0200 (4:06 AM here), Marek Mikus [MM] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Very frustrating indeed. I just tried removing all of the plug-ins. TB still hangs, so its doesn't appear to be plug-in related. MM did You tried /NOLOGO commandline? Yes, but the problem persists. If I have time this weekend, I'll try eliminating some accounts and see if its a problem unique to an account and its associated message base loading. I do run message base maintenance frequently with no problems. I suspect if I uninstall and reinstall without restoring a backup, TB will load. Of course this isn't very useful to me as some of my saved messages go back to Jan 1999. Because I did a complete uninstall and reinstalled using the MSI, I don't think its related to plug-ins or custom glyphs. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.24 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpAAXBRX6jxY.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.26 don't start
Hi Mary, On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:49:55 -0500 (9:49 AM here), Mary Bull [MB] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MB https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4770 Thanks for the link Mary, I've added my note. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.24 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpgfO3W7IxoL.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.26 don't start
Hi Alexander, On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:58:13 +0200 (9:58 AM here), Alexander S. Kunz [ASK] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: ASK I'm sure you already tried to disable all plugins (maybe I didn't ASK see the message, I was away for almost 3 weeks and unsubscribed), ASK but maybe you can check the file TBplugin.ini in your Mail ASK directory if it is *really* empty. It wasn't empty even though TB didn't display them. I manually removed the entries. The end result is TB still hangs. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.24 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpGKrightbav.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.26 don't start
Hi MAU, On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:48:46 +0200 (10:48 AM here), MAU [M] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: This leads me to believe that the problem is related to the settings I've configured in TB, or my message base data or a combination of both. M It could be as you say but, what could be so peculiar or different M to your TB installation? I never considered my setup peculiar and don't do anything that unusual that I know of. That's what makes this problem so frustrating. M have you all your accounts configured to check mailboxes at M start-up? If so, have you tried disabling this option as a test? I don't have the accounts configured to poll on start up. Because I'm frequently away from my WiFi LAN, I prefer to poll manually using Alt-F2. M Again as a test, have you tried a brand new TB installation from M scratch without using your existing message base? This is what I will try this weekend. I suspect TB will work. M If you use any plugins, or system wide antivirus or firewall, have M you tried disabling them? Yes, I've disabled all of the plugins. My AV and firewall shouldn't matter as I've used them both for quite some time. Just to eliminate the possibility, I will try that after this mail session. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.24 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgp0yC0zvMU5c.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hi Marek, On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:46:31 +0200 (9:46 AM here), Marek Mikus [MM] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MM check if You have batlogo.xml and if yes, rename it and check. I don't have that file. I did notice something interesting about the message base. Normally my mail resides under the Application Data folder in \Batmail. When doing my testing and restoring from a backup, another directory was generated called /The Bat!. Has /Batmail been replaced by /The Bat! as the default installation in the Applications Data folder? I would think The Bat's backup and restore would honor whatever directory I originally was using. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.24 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpKu5vZdSzUD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.26 don't start
Hi Michael, On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:31:11 -0500 (11:31 AM here), Michael Acklin [MA] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MA I was just doing a F9 on your headers of this message looking for MA your key, 0x3A8E5CAD, and I noticed something. I don't know if you MA have tried to start The Bat! with OTFE off. This is what I saw in MA your header: MA X-Archive: encrypt This is a custom header added by me when The Bat's mailing lists started being carried by the Gmane usenet organization. It helps ensure my e-mail address is protected should the lists be setup incorrectly or accidentally changed. Below is a snippet from the Gmane FAQ. I've never used OTFE. == For people who really don't want to expose their email addresses, Gmane implements an address encryption scheme, coupled with a challenge/response mail delivery scheme. Encryption A list administrator may request that the entire list be encrypted. Each individual user may also do so by putting a X-Archive: encrypt header into their messages. === -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.24 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpIYVnhXUwF9.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.28 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.26 don't start
Hi Maxim, On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 00:32:30 +0300 (5:32 PM here), Maxim Masiutin [MM] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: The version is 1.16.0.0. MM What if you UNINSTALL 3.5.25 and then install 3.5.26, will it MM work? MM If it won't help, please try deleting tbuser.def, and just let us MM know the outcome. Neither 3.5.25, 3.5.26 or 3.5.27 will start for me. All hang on the logo screen. I completely uninstalled The Bat! including all registry entries and directories. Then I did a fresh install with the 3.5.26 MSI file and restored using my backup created with The Bat!. The same error occurs when I try to start the new installation. I also tried deleting the tbuser.def and that did not make any difference. Any other suggestions as to what I can try? 3.5.24 is the last version that loads for me. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.24 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpMIv48Og2ZS.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.26 don't start
Hi Alexander, On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:00:11 +0200 (12:00 PM here), Alexander S. Kunz [ASK] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Neither 3.5.25, 3.5.26 or 3.5.27 will start for me. All hang on the logo screen. ASK I'm sure it is a totally silly suggestion, but you never know... ASK what happens if you start the program with the /NOLOGO switch? ASK :-} Nothing is silly Alexander, I'm willing to try anything. Unfortunately, The Bat! still hangs sans logo. Requiring the usual Task Manager exit. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.24 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpH2McAbr6Rz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.27
Hi Dick, On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 23:15:23 +0200 (5:15 PM here), Dick Hoogendoorn [DH] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: DH Must be very frustrating for some people, who constantly having DH problems to get 3.5.27 even started, to see that many of us don't DH have a single problem to get the program up running and are able DH to read and sent messages with it... sorry guys Very frustrating indeed. I just tried removing all of the plug-ins. TB still hangs, so its doesn't appear to be plug-in related. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.24 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpYLis4b3oSW.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: 3.5.27
Hi Paul, On 6/16/05, Paul Van Noord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AY of us on this forum are not just disappointed but angry. Speak for yourself. I haven't given you permission You're not my father, and I don't need your permission! See how foolish it is when you quote things out of context? Avi, clearly said many, not all, but you cut that part out. Now, the definition of many is subjective, but you can safely exclude yourself from it. Apologies to everyone else. I tried hard to refrain from responding, but this list is getting ridiculous with the attitudes people throw around on it these days. Everything from bickering over spelling and grammar to arguing about irony versus sarcasm to wanting to ban people over a matter of threading. That's not to say I expect everyone to see eye-to-eye on everything, but respectfully disagree and have a little tact. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.5.27 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Favorites Grouping
Hello TBBeta! When is this likely to be fixed? The loss of grouping is annoying and makes new message composition time consuming. I can't believe its taken this long to get back something that worked so well in the past. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.24 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpMvbcq9Qbxx.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Favorites Grouping
Hi Ian, On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 22:40:17 +1000 (8:40 AM here), Ian A. White [IAW] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: IAW It has been fixed quite a few betas ago. IAW If you have picked individual addresses in a group to be shown in IAW the Favourites drop down, then make sure that you also have the IAW group itself checked to be shown in Favourites otherwise the IAW entries will not be grouped. Wonderful, then how come I have the same addresses showing up in the Favorites root, plus listed under the individual groupings? I tried dragging them from the root to the groups and when I reopen TB they appear at the root again. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.24 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpdzx6voovOg.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Favorites Grouping
Hi Ian, On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 22:40:17 +1000 (8:40 AM here), Ian A. White [IAW] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: IAW It has been fixed quite a few betas ago. I needed to check the Hide Items unless explicitly selected box. Back to normal now. Glad I mentioned this or I'd be suffering forever. :) -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.24 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpL8ctaecaGb.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.26 MSI
Hi Maxim, On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:59:38 +0300 (7:59 AM here), Maxim Masiutin [MM] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_pro_3-5-26.msi MM http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/thebat_home_3-5-26.msi I installed 3.5.26 from the MSI on top of a working 3.5.24 version. Now The Bat! hangs at the logo screen and will not load. I downloaded the individual tb2526.rar and extracted to the program directory and The Bat! still hangs at the logo screen. After restoring the 3.5.24 executable The Bat! loads and works correctly. Any suggestions??? -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.24 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpT9sC6SoApd.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.26 MSI
Hi Ian, On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 23:44:28 +1000 (9:44 AM here), Ian A. White [IAW] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: KC After restoring the 3.5.24 executable The Bat! loads and works KC correctly. IAW I tried both ways and have had no problems. Strange that it works for some and not for others. This is the first beta that has hung on the logo screen for me. I'm not using OTFE. I even tried reloading the MSI using the Repair option to no avail. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.24 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgp40MBtOzNVx.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: BayesIt or Bayes Filter?
On 6/7/05, Eddie Castelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all, I give it an other try. But before installing TB! v3.5.26 with an AntiSpam Tool I like to consult this ML and see what experience you have made with either of these Tools mentioned in the Subject line. Thank you! Just to save you some aggravation, don't bother if you're using IMAP. UCE protection is not implemented for IMAP. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
On 6/2/05, Tony Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard of Sexism, ageism and I've even had to take a Government Authority to court over racism, but Email-Clientism? It's actually quite common to castigate someone for their choice of software. Why this is, I really don't know. Software is a tool (maybe a source of entertainment), not a status indicator, and people should just use what works well for them. And everyone else should just let well enough be alone. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [Usability] The most un-obvious things
On 6/1/05, George M. Menegakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tuesday, May 31, 2005, 6:44:38 PM, Ming Chang wrote: Maybe it is confusing but it is the way it should be. It's good that each Software should never be confusing. Especially something as fundamental as an MUA. At the end of the day, it's just a tool that is supposed to facilitate productivity. I don't really have any strong feelings on this one since I don't often use templates, but if it's confusing, it's a valid usability complaint I would think. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [OT] Sarcasm
On 6/1/05, MAU [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I forgot to say... It's also a great opportunity to see how well threading by Reference+Subject behaves. Indeed. Despite my insistence, I've been unable to get everyone on the non-TB mailing lists I'm subscribed to to switch over to TB so my threading is not messed. So, it's nice to see TB thread messages coming from other clients that don't track mids for whatever reason. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Reflections on IMAP POP3 [Was Re: The most un-obvious things]
On 6/1/05, Mary Bull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Vili! On Wednesday, June 01, 2005, 9:34 PM, you wrote: This is the problem: Ritlabs should develop the code (that is not OUR code!) and reflect to customers. And the point at issue is that I think that RitLabs are getting it (the IMAP part of the code) functional as quickly as they can. Others, like Tony, seem to think the code to meet his needs is not receiving adequate attention (in that sense it is his, code, i.e., the code RitLabs is making for its customers). With just cause I believe. I won't deny that the IMAP support has continued to improve, but it was supposed to just work well over a year ago (maybe two?). Furthermore, we've gone through several iterations of we'll work on IMAP now that have only amounted to barely passable IMAP support. I'd like to complain that two feature enhancements (really, necessities IMHO) have just been ignored*, but when normal message viewing and sorting are still not solid, I guess I really can't. * IMAP UCE filtering: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3668 IMAP QUOTA support: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1448 -- Kevin Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The most un-obvious things
Hi Liz, On Tue, 31 May 2005 20:48:26 +0100 (3:48 PM here), Liz [L] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: L Guys, most of us have no proof if any of us are who we say we are, L but we have no need to point it out.. Although I'm sure that there were no bad intentions it does raise an interesting point. In many cases we don't know if the name behind the message is real. Notarized digital certificates from Thawte or CAcert contain the user's name. Because identity credentials are checked, we are assured that the identity behind the name/address is the real person. On the GPG/PGP side the same can be said for those verified by the Gossamer Web of Trust (GSWoT). In these instances we can be assured the name is real. Everyone else, unless you know them personally is a crap shoot. Of course, depending on the circumstances, knowing the true identity may be insignificant. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5.24 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpaY8RVmZ6NE.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: [Usability] The most un-obvious things
On 5/30/05, Peter Hampf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The unread tab is located under the account/folder window and is ment to be show only folders that contain unread messages. It must NOT hide the read messages inside these folders. I don't want to start a flamewar about this, but I have to disagree with you. Knowing what folders have unread messages is practically useless. The combination of only showing folders with unread messages the messages themselves is far more useful (and really, the former would be a byproduct of the latter). What good is knowing a folder has unread messages if I need to hunt them down? Not all unread messages are new or have proper timestamps, etc.; I have a lot of unread messages located all over the place. The current unread tab doesn't offer me much more than the unread column in the account view. Even if you want to contend that this is the correct behavior, then there is still something wrong with this UI. Apparently it has caused confusion. Unread here clearly means to me unread messages, probably because messages are the only thing I think of in terms of having been read and not read. Even if the location of the tab would indicate otherwise, then it would indicate unread folders, which doesn't make very much sense. This concept of only folders with unread messages is neither intuitive nor supported by the tab's context. But, like I said, if this is the correct behavior, then the tab should be renamed at the very least. Now, to add something new, I don't like how the Unread tab does not group folders by account. I have three accounts I use, so I see three Inbox folders in the Unread tab, without any indication. other than location (seems to correlate to the same order in the account tree), of which folder is which. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: [Usability] The most un-obvious things
to messages, making messages easier to read. For most people, I would imagine, the terms all and unread would be applied to messages, not folders. Expecting users to know what virtual folders are in order to figure out these tabs is poor design, IMHO. As another beef with the tabs, they're variably sized. Arguably, the all tab is the most important, yet it has the smallest target for clicking. The tabs should be evenly-sized (if anything, the all tab should be the largest) and occupy the full client area available to them. Currently, the tabs take up less than half the space afforded to them. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [Usability] The most un-obvious things
Hi Miguel, On 5/30/05, MAU [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Kevin, For most people, I would imagine, the terms all and unread would be applied to messages, not folders. They are and are called 'Folder Tabs' (i.e. see View/Folder Tabs or Specials/Next (Previous) Folder tab) and, as such, are 'views' of the Folder Tree. If I have to go to the View menu and click on different boxes and see how it affects the UI, there is seriously something wrong. This is what I'm talking about with regards to intuitiveness and the original statement you quoted still holds. Try to think about this as someone that doesn't know about all TB's intricacies. The Unread tab is therfore a folder tree view that just displays _folders_ which currently have Unread messages. This is inconsistent with the tabs. Following your logic: The Virtual tab is therefore a folder tree view that just displays _folders_ which currently have Virtual messages. Clearly I understand that's not what you meant, but this is my point about the lack of consistency. The semantics of what the tabs mean change for this one tab. What I'm trying to get at is what I said above. Folder tabs are just views of the _Folder_Tree_. If this is the case, then there is still a problem with the tabs. And this currently chosen view seems rather arbitrary and adds nothing that the current All tab does not provide. Of course, it does help if you don't expand all your folders, as Allie pointed out earlier, but why this is a core, prominent feature is still lost on me. Finding folders with unread messages does not seem to be the core problem, finding the unread messages is. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [Usability] The most un-obvious things
On 5/31/05, Matt Thoene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday, May 30, 2005 @ 6:20:43 PM [-0700], Munango-Keewati wrote: Are they so interested in context that they want to see read messages mixed among the unread messages in their Unread tab folders? I am. Many people have stated this, but other than my initial discussion with Allie, no one has indicated whether showing only unread messages, except if they're in a thread is a valid solution. That way you'd still have your context, but you wouldn't be seeing threads that have no new messages added. Any thoughts on this? No offense, but the me too posts aren't really adding much to the discussion. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.5.23 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [Usability] The most un-obvious things
Hi 9Val, On 5/29/05, 9Val [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, We'd like to hear your opinions about most un-obvious things you ever encountered using TB! I've reported this one before at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3565. Basically, clicking a checkbox should not expand/collapse a tree node. It's a basic GUI/HCI thing and should be easy to fix, but hasn't been yet and is quite annoying. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.5.23 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
TLS Failure
Hello TBBeta! I've been trying to establish a secure connection with my mail host without success. Using the Connection=Secure to dedicated port (TLS) and port 995 there is a handshake failure telling me the server host name (mail.kcoates.com) does not match the certificate. My ISP uses an Equifax Secure Global Certificate which I've installed in my Address Book under Trusted Root CA. If I use Thunderbird or The Bat!/GPGrelay, I am allowed to use this certificate and establish the secured connection. The Bat! gives me no options and won't allow a connection. Has anyone else seen this and figured out a solution? -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpmaDPfo2mrz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TLS Failure
Hi Michael, On Tue, 24 May 2005 17:11:39 +0200 (11:11 AM here), Michael Geyer [MG] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: My ISP uses an Equifax Secure Global Certificate which I've installed in my Address Book under Trusted Root CA. MG for which hostname is this certificate issued? I'd bet the hostname MG is _not_ mail.kcoates.com. That is correct. It is a generic certificate not specific to my domain name. MG I have this very problem with my hoster's certificate, which is MG issued for my hoster's mail server. So I have to use MG mail.hoster's server instead of mail.mydomain. The two are in MG fact the same server (or the same mail program on the same server MG in fact.) Ahh ... I hadn't thought of that. Perhaps that may work. I'll do some experimenting. If I use Thunderbird or The Bat!/GPGrelay, I am allowed to use this certificate and establish the secured connection. MG I guess they do not verify the certificate's server name, which MG seems like a flaw to me. If I remember correctly, Thunderbird warns but allows me the option to use the certificate. GPGrelay simply proceeds. The Bat! gives me no options and won't allow a connection. MG I'd like to have an option for the server's name in the MG certificate. That would solve our problem at once. Or at least an option to allow use of the certificate and not prompt in the future for that ISP. Thanks for the suggestion. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpV1JJ82g3pj.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Lost Toolbar Customizations
Hi Roelof, On Tue, 17 May 2005 22:29:58 +0200 (4:29 PM here), Roelof Otten [RO] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: RO Can't confirm. I even added two icons to the main toolbar without RO problems. Customizations are saved perfectly. Thanks for the reply. Because it works for you, I tried an experiment. I added an exclusion so my Windowblinds wouldn't skin The Bat! and the change fixing the toolbar worked! I then removed the exclusion and the toolbar change is sticking and working. I don't know why this would happen but my toolbar is fixed and I'm happy. Now if I can just get my spam plugin to stay installed. :( -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Lost Toolbar Customizations
Hi Roelof, On Wed, 18 May 2005 09:23:02 +0200 (3:23 AM here), Roelof Otten [RO] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: KC Now if I can just get my spam plugin to stay installed. :( RO What plug-in do you use? BayesFilter 2.0.2? Yes RO What if you use an older version? Haven't tried it. Seems like taking a step back when the new one should work. RO Apart from that, after I installed 2.0.2 on top of 1.5.6 the RO software panel of the configuration screen still mentions 1.5.6 as RO the installed version. Even though improperly identified, does 2.0.2 now work? -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgp6Nexu7X8sP.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Lost Toolbar Customizations
Hello TBBeta! Every time I start this version the Save Message(s) to a file and Delete button are hidden behind a . If I edit via View|Toolbars|Customize the items reappear and look fine. When I close The Bat! using either the X or Message|Exit Menu, the customization is lost and I have to go through this cycle again. Why won't these settings stick? Its not a question of not enough screen real estate, as there is plenty of room. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgp2v29UNSqGv.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: GnuPG support still unsufficient
Hi Martin, On Sat, 14 May 2005 09:12:27 +0200 (3:12 AM here), Martin Schoch [MS] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: gpg: Signature made 05/13/05 22:36:22 using DSA key ID 8C32408B gpg: WARNING: signature digest conflict in message gpg: Can't check signature: general error MS Have the same message from GnuPG 1.4.1 when checking the message MS from Henk. This is another bug in The Bat!. Messages created using the default digest-algo SHA1 will verify. If one changes their digest-algo to RIPEMD160, TB users will receive the error message above. RIPEMD160 messages are not a problem for GPGrelay, Enigmail. This needs to be fixed. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgpBYdjOvS4Na.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: GnuPG support still unsufficient
Hi Peter, On Thu, 12 May 2005 07:53:27 +0200 (1:53 AM here), Peter Meyns [PM] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: PM It is set to none here. Still, this is the answer, when I try to PM sign from within TB!: PM gpg: key 9E19BFC2: secret key without public key - skipped gpg: no PM default secret key: secret key not available gpg: [stdin]: PM clearsign failed: secret key not available Try setting it for pgp8. -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v3.5 Return RC8 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2 (see kludges for my pgp key) pgplw9Xb0ea0z.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Got worse with RC2/RC4
Hi Raymund Tump - On Fri, 6 May 2005, at 17:33:02 [GMT +0200] (which was 8:33 AM where I live) you wrote: And I found a new problem: I deleted the folder cache. That caused TB! to get a new list from the server that went rather fast (my TBBeta folder has 18268 entries in it right now), but then it starts to download the headers and that will take ages as far as I can see. For 5 headers TB needs more than 30 sec. each. And I had a problem which I thought was already fixed: I click on a mail and another mail content was shown. The mail shown was the mail I look at directly before. This happened in the extra folder view window, as the normal 3 pane layout refused to show the mail anyway. Pretty much the same problems here as has been mentioned in other threads. For all intents and purposes, IMAP doesn't work in this release (for me, anyway). -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgppuyXNNtfyD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: I can't use rc2
Hi Gary - On Thu, 5 May 2005, at 09:08:08 [GMT -0500] (which was 7:08 AM where I live) you wrote: snip However, after reading or deleting several emails, as new mail would come in to the INBOX, the message list jumps around, changing positions dramatically, and I cannot read email. The message bodies will not load on many emails, and this happens often enough that it makes reading email absolutely impossible. If I cannot read email, I can't use it. Same problem here. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpfImBF0Z6dk.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP option
Hi 9Val - On Thu, 5 May 2005, at 11:18:17 [GMT +0300] (which was 1:18 AM where I live) you wrote: Hi All, If somebody encounters some problems with IMAP multi-connections like Allie reported, try to play with Fine-Tune option 'Simulate folder lock'. Notice: it needs program restart to be applied. Well, this made the problem worse for me. In looking at my server logs, it appears as though one or several connections are being dropped thereby not allowing message views to be loaded. If I execute a IMAP disconnect and then the connect command, all appears to be well and views for all folders work. I didn't notice this problem with .18 but when I have a 7 message folder that takes 50 seconds to load, if at all, something is wrong, I think. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgp0pU1VWf09b.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Anyone wants to try my yellowish icons?
Hi MAU - On Thu, 5 May 2005, at 22:40:22 [GMT +0200] (which was 1:40 PM where I live) you wrote: If you would like to try them, download from: http://www.rancho-k.com/yellowish_icons.zip Then, exit TB, unzip to your The Bat! folder and start TB again. To return to default icons, delete at least the batskin.xml file. Very nice work indeed. I agree with Peter's suggestion. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpSN2QnCUhTD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC3 is now available
Hi Simon Fincham - On Thu, 5 May 2005, at 22:18:28 [GMT +0100] (which was 2:18 PM where I live) you wrote: Hi 9Val, On 05 May 2005 at 23:08:30GMT +0200, 9Val sent an E-Mail mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]The Bat! 3.5 Return RC3 is now available: 9Val The Bat! 3.5 Return RC3 is now available from: 9Val http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Sorry, cannot use this version - hangs and freezes when sending/recieving. No error message generated. Windows error details generated -: szAppName : theBat.exe szAppVer : 3.5.0.2 szModName : hungapp szModVer : 0.0.0.0 offset : Same here, can't use it. IMAP is also failing to build the message base. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpWR9SpQN7db.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC3 is now available
Hi Kevin Amazon - On Thu, 5 May 2005, at 15:40:17 [GMT -0700] (which was 3:40 PM where I live) you wrote: Hi Simon Fincham - On Thu, 5 May 2005, at 22:18:28 [GMT +0100] (which was 2:18 PM where I live) you wrote: Same here, can't use it. IMAP is also failing to build the message base. Actually RC2 pretty much sucks with IMAP too. I'll go back to .18 (which was the best release for IMAP, IMO) and wait until the dust settles. Release Candidates...Yea, right. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpINCYz4VqJD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC2 is now available
Hi Neal Laugman - On Wed, 4 May 2005, at 10:56:56 [GMT -0800] (which was 11:56 AM where I live) you wrote: snip IMAP seems to be very well at this point. Not here. Still have the problem when changing views from one folder to another, I get a blank folder view that takes about 5 minutes to refresh. Unacceptable. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpjazCBwwdVL.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5 RC 1 -TB terminates connection
Hi Allie Martin - On Wed, 04 May 2005, at 18:17:43 [GMT -0500] (which was 4:17 PM where I live) you wrote: The RC1 works in a way, but it's lurchy. Messages and folders suddenly will not load on the first attempt. Autofiltering again works sporadically. So despite the fixing of a few of the limitations that existed in v3.0.9.18, I don't feel inclined to use it. I can confirm the same problems that Allie mentions w/RC2. A lot of folders just won't load or take an inordinate amount of time 5 minutes. I didn't have this problem w/3.0.9.18 either. Right now TB is unusable for me as well. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpVDrhn3dM0C.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5 RC 1 -TB terminates connection
Hi Allie Martin - On Wed, 4 May 2005, at 18:34:26 [GMT -0500] (which was 4:34 PM where I live) you wrote: Just curious. Is this occurring with all folders set not to synchronize? Nope, just two (out of 50 or so, set to not synchronize). Each folder has about 1200 messages. My problems with RC1 isn't as bad in terms of delays. 5 minutes is a very long time to wait. I don't know what's up with this. I didn't have this problem with 3.0.9.18 I'm now trying this RC/2 to see what it's like. So far, no problems, but it's very early yet. Finger's crossed. I like the fixes that I see and hope they do work and stay that way. Aside from the folder problem, RC2 looks pretty good so far. I really really would like to come back to TB but just can't yet because of these folder problems. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgp9JxBKFNnqF.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Outbox not unboldened on filtering mail to another IMAP folder
Hi Allie Martin - On Wed, 4 May 2005, at 18:36:21 [GMT -0500] (which was 4:36 PM where I live) you wrote: [-] IMAP : the Outbox folder (local or remote) is not unbolded after the message is sent. If messages are automatically filtered from an outbox to an IMAP folder, I just confirmed this one as not being fixed. The problem remains here. Confirmed -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpZqfAh4hgrT.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Outbox not unboldened on filtering mail to another IMAP folder
Hi Allie Martin - On Wed, 4 May 2005, at 18:42:52 [GMT -0500] (which was 4:42 PM where I live) you wrote: Actually, it turns out the message just wasn't sent, though I hit the send immediately option, the same one that worked for the message that followed and that *was* sent immediately. Maybe just a glitch in the 'Matrix' cough.. I meant, The Bat! ;) Duh, you are right. There is a bit of a delay but appears to work. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpXZnSwltwel.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5 RC 1 -TB terminates connection
Hi Allie Martin - On Wed, 4 May 2005, at 18:53:33 [GMT -0500] (which was 4:53 PM where I live) you wrote: Nope, just two (out of 50 or so, set to not synchronize). Each folder has about 1200 messages. Well then, unless you have a dialup and wish to read mail while disconnected, I strongly suggest not synchronising. Just disable synchronisation for all folders. Sorry, I didn't articulate very well. These folders are set to NOT synchronize. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpCAXlrFoprg.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Outbox not unboldened on filtering mail to another IMAP folder
Hi Allie Martin - On Wed, 4 May 2005, at 18:55:20 [GMT -0500] (which was 4:55 PM where I live) you wrote: Hrmph!! Turns out that the message *was* sent. You'll see that my reply to one of your messages is duplicated, i.e., sent twice. For some reason, the message was sent but not filtered to the target folder. It just remained there in the Outbox. Of course, I had never experienced this one before so I assumed that since it wasn't filtered, it had not been sent. I understand. I've been away from TB for such a long time I find myself forgetting how things worked before. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgphNnJpsBbVb.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5 RC 1 -TB terminates connection
Hi Allie Martin - On Wed, 4 May 2005, at 19:38:37 [GMT -0500] (which was 5:38 PM where I live) you wrote: Hmmm. No comment then. :((( I really don't know what to say, but look towards RIT. What server software are you connecting to? Same as you, MDaemon. Still having the problem. A TB restart seems to fix the problem for a while, then the folders seem to hang for some reason. I'd bet the connection is being dropped. I'm looking at the server logs now. Out of curiosity, how many server connections to you have set. I have 6 and everything was pretty good with .18. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpE1DO8juClU.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
