Why is it that encrypt and sign upon completion don't seem to work in
2.0.3? I just downloaded this and I'm trying it out, and this is one of
the sticking points. When I set these options, I get the usual PGP
dialog upon pressing the Send button, but after entering my pass phrase,
nothing else
Is there a way to define filters that will act on incoming mail from all
accounts at one, or must they be defined for each account? In the
latter case, what's the easiest way to copy filters from one account to
another (assuming there is a way at all to do this)?
Why is it that encrypt and sign upon completion don't seem to work in
2.0.3?
Sorry, the version is 2.01.3 ... the one currently available for
download.
Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
A dialog should appear for you to choose the key/s to encrypt to.
It does, but after I select a key and/or type my pass phrase, nothing
else happens. The message is not encrypted, and it is not sent.
After reading some other messages, I tried
The problem I had with version 8 was that when trying to install it
would complain that it could not install a file because me disk was full.
FYI there is all most 30GB free.
Try creating a 27 GB scratch file, then install the product. Once it is
installed (or fails to install, whichever),
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Hmmm. I'm using XP Home, and while I seem to have no problem using
the PGP/MIME option for signing clear text, I'm experiencing the same
problem with both encrypt and encrypt sign as Anthony is.
Try forcing PGP/MIME to off instead of auto, and
Hmmm. That sounds like the symptom of a system problem and PGP 8's
installation fell victim to it.
No, that sounds like an application problem. In fact, it sounds like an
application that looks at only 32 bits for the available space.
File-system problems on NT-based Windows systems are
If I do that, while the message will be encrypted and/or signed, it
will be inline, not PGP/MIME.
That suits me fine, as most of my correspondents can't handle PGP/MIME.
Of course, your requirements may be different.
I'd like to be able to force the option to be off by default for every
Soo... How on earth do I get TB! to at least make it easier than:
1. going into the key manager before I decide to compose a message
2. selecting the desired key as the new default
3. compose, sign, send the message
If you have different pass phrases for each key, try typing the pass
phrase
The footer is added by the TBUDL list server, and so is not part of
the message that is signed by PGP.
Ah, okay.
Also...you don't have to manually change the PGP/MIME setting from
auto to off each time in order to use PGP inline. You can just use
the different Privacy menu options located
Paul writes:
what do we gain by changing the auto to off, or, conversely what do we
lose by turning it off?
In my case, turning it explicitly off allows the PGP stuff to work,
whereas it does not work otherwise. Looks like a bug to me.
After two days of trying it out, I decided to purchase The Bat! The Bat
will replace Outlook Express as my primary e-mail client.
The reasons why I bought it:
1. Spam relief
The ability to set filters that look at message headers has _vastly_
improved my filtering of spam. Almost all the spam
Marck writes:
Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists
of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line.
This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without
the signature and list footers since everything below and including
the sig
Paul writes:
ok, what DIDN'T work with it on auto, and what is it that now works??
Encrypt and Encrypt/Sign upon completion, in the Privacy options. (Sign
upon completion worked already, for some reason.)
Current version is 2.01.3 | Using
Can I set up a template exclusively for replies to this list (messages
to the list are filtered into a specific folder)? If so, what's the
easiest way to duplicate the USENET convention of sender writes
preceding the quoted text, to identify the person on the list whom one
is quoting?
Mogens writes:
Filtering:
Have you considered another filtering method such as the
BayestIt! plugin that you can find here:
Not necessary. The multipart/alternatve filter is separating almost
100% of my spam. I think that very complex filters are overkill. After
all, I still look at the
Frank writes:
This statement is naive and ignores the current state of the art in
software development.
No, it's a statement from someone who has decades of experience in both
writing software and supporting it.
It is impossible to make a software product that meets the huge and
complex
This is a list rule and is non-negotiable:
Okay, bye.
Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Actually the PGP SDK service seems to crash quite frequently whenever I
use PGP functions in TB 3.0. It didn't do this in 2.x. And nothing
else crashes it.
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Anthony G. Atkielski writes:
Actually the PGP SDK service seems to crash quite frequently whenever I
use PGP functions in TB 3.0. It didn't do this in 2.x. And nothing
else crashes it.
Further experimentation reveals that the machine must be rebooted once
the PGP SDK crashes; restarting
Chris writes:
I had that happen to me. I fixed it by upgrading to the latest
release of the PGP software.
The current version works fine outside of TB, so I don't see any reason
to upgrade it. The same functions work correctly within PGP.
The problem arose after the PGP SDK crashed while TB
Since nobody has stepped forward to clarify the details of how the known
filter works and it isn't documented anywhere that I can find, I can
only assume that it is top secret and not intended to actually be used.
Is this correct?
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Anthony
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Stuart Cuddy writes:
How would you like it to work?
Well, since you ask: Ideally for me, this filter would allow me to
match some arbitrary field(s) in the message against entries in the
address book, potentially using regular expressions, and would allow me
to move messages that match to
I rather like the idea of being able to sign messages with PGP in a
realtively transparent way using PGP/MIME, which TB 3.x supports very
nicely, but I'm wondering how well other e-mail clients support it. In
order to use it with any regularly (such as in templates), a fairly
large number of my
Two other questions on PGP in TB:
1. There's a macro and menu option for Use OpenPGP, but exactly what
does this do? If I turn it off, it seems that PGP options don't work at
all. So if I'm not enabling OpenPGP, what good are the other options?
And conversely, if I'm using other PGP options,
When I create a new rule and try to move it with Alt and the mouse, if I
slip it downwards instead of upwards, I usually get an access violation,
like the message attached. Access violations then occur each time I try
to edit the filters, until I stop and restart TB. Nothing is corrupted
and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I had this bug with the same version that you have right now
I suggest you to upgrade to a more recent version of TB!
Uh, I only upgraded to this version six days ago. Do I have to upgrade
this product once a day, or what?
I've also noticed that this problem may be
MFPA writes:
I find that if I use TB!'s integrated support to encrypt and sign
with PGP 8.1 the message is only sometimes sent, further attempts
to sign or encrypt using the integrated support bring up Access
Violation messages, and often I can no longer verify or decrypt
using the
MFPA writes:
Good to hear. Looking forward to being able to use this feature reliably. I
downloaded the latest version of TB! last night. I suspect I shall
install and try it out soon.
I current have the client set to sign all of my messages to this list
(via folder templates), and it is
Roelof Otten writes:
What happens when you try to move the filter with the up and down
arrows in the toolbar?
I haven't tried it. Next time I'll try that and see what happens. I
don't create new rules very often.
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Anthony
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Michael L. Wilson writes:
I would like to speak a little about operating system stability and
the Bat!. The Bat is written in a very high level language that does
not touch deep operating system problems. Since the Bat! only works
on Windows machines, people really need to look to their OS
I've noticed on a plain-text e-mail message I've received that the
second-level quoted text is maroon and bold, even though I had
previously set everything to plain black in the text editor for plain
text messages. I've only seen it on one message (not sure if other
messages met the criteria for
Michael Wilson writes:
I was software QA. My job was to setup new systems and see what
happened to the registry and temp files area after installing third
party items. I was in several meetings where memos from Hard Drive
comapnies were used by programmers to purposly not delete temp and old
Alexander S. Kunz writes:
Uhm. I beg to differ, my experience is vastly different. HDD usage has
*never* increased more during daily usage than with Win XP. My system
partition (without additional programs - I have the program files on a
different partition) for XP is 4GB; after installation
Alexander S. Kunz writes:
Pal, with statements that ridiculous I don't dare continuing this OT
conversation, sorry. I mean... no, I don't mean... you haven't been there,
so I'll just stop here... :-)
I used to do technical support, and that's a standard question, along
the lines of have you
I notice that the references are growing and growing in messages that I
exchange with other people via replies (I reply, he replies, I reply, he
replies). Is there any way to put an upper limit on the number of
references included in the headers for continuing replies like this?
I think it may
Roelof Otten writes:
Can't imagine why that should be. The headers aren't encrypted, after
all. Do you have any examples?
They aren't encrypted, but I thought that maybe the dozens of lines of
references in the header could be breaking something that parses the
message looking for PGP (the PGP
Mary Bull writes:
If this is not what you mean, please explain further. What line in the
headers are you referring to?
The References: header field. It consists of 29 lines with references
to all previous messages (via the back-and-forth replying I've been
doing with my correspondent). Each
Ian A. White writes:
I think he wants to limit the number of steps back in the discussion
in a message when replying without having to manually edit the quoted
text.
Nope. See
http://www.atkielski.com/ref.txt
This is a copy of the message. Notice all the Reference lines. Now, TB
didn't
Mary Bull writes:
So why is this an annoyance to Anthony? Is he making a practice of
viewing all his messages with F9?
I only looked with F9 to try to figure out why TB had not recognized the
PGP message in the message body and put a pushbutton on the message
window (usually it sees it and
Alexander S. Kunz writes:
The average techsupp person has checklists to annoy callers who know whats
going on... :)
The vast majority of callers to tech support don't know what they are
doing, and there's no way to tell which callers _do_ know what they are
doing. Not going through the
Roelof Otten writes:
Whereas changing
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=UTF-8
into
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
made TB recognize the message as something encrypted with PGP. I don't
think that's very odd, as I understand these matters PGP encrypted
matters
Mica Mijatovic writes:
It didn't work for the shuttle.
It did work for the shuttle; but someone decided to skip a few steps.
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Anthony
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Allie Martin writes:
Well, in a way I'd disagree with that. It's not easy for a novice to
give detailed and technical information with explanations that imply
knowledge that exceeds that of the novice. :) In such a situation, one
can easily raise the tech support level.
Typically no one
Is there a way for me to renew my Verisign digital ID and install it so
that TB uses it for S/MIME messages? If so, can someone point me to a
step-by-step procedure?
I've been thinking of renewing my Verisign ID for correspondents who
have only S/MIME, but since I've stopped using Outlook
Can I move a message from the inbox of one account to the inbox of
another account such that the filters of the latter account continue to
filter the message?
The idea is to set up a large number of filters on only one inbox for
one account, and then set up a single filter for the other accounts
Roelof Otten writes:
That's why v3 has common filters, then you'd need only one set of
filters.
I've just discovered that. Is there a way I can cut and paste the
entire list of filters for one account into the common filters, or do I
have to cut and paste each filter individually? I tried
How do I get a filter to check _every_ Content-type header in a message
for specific content, instead of just the first one?
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Anthony
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How do I get a filter to check _every_ Content-type header in a message
for specific content, instead of just the first one?
Right now I have header match ^Content-type:.*multipart/alternative.*
but it only seems to fire if the first Content-type header matches this;
subsequent Content-type
Sometimes we I look at the source of a message with F9, I see only a
part of the message. Can anyone tell me why this is the case?
Check out the screen shots below. This was some sort of spam message I
received; I tried to look at the source to see if it contained anything
suspicious, but the
Ivan writes:
Very strange screen shots.
They are taken directly from the message windows. What's strange about
them?
Can you upload or send directly EML-file?
I think it's gone ... I looked for it just now and I think I deleted it
(I delete over 1100 spams a day, so I tend to do it
Ivan writes:
I'm about content, of course. :)
I assume it was some sort of spam message--that's why I was looking at
the source (if a message seems to be on the borderline, I check the
source to see if it has any nasty content before I actually open it to
look further).
I think there was
Ivan writes:
You didn't provide us with EML.
So I don't know exactly.
And we cannot reproduce situation.
If I come across it again I'll save the message (I know I've seen it
before, although it seems to be less common with V 3.x).
--
Anthony
If I open a message and keep it open for a few seconds, the message is
marked as read in its folder. Is this delay configurable?
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Anthony
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Peter Meyns writes:
Yes, it's in Account Properties -- Options.
I already have the time set to zero (see attached screenshot), but
there's still a pause after I open the message.
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Anthony
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Julian Beach (Lists) writes:
I thought that zero meant never marked unread, but I could be wrong.
Try blank, as this seems to mark as read immediately.
I tried blank--same effect. But I'm looking at folders in the Local
tree; are they influenced by the account settings? If not, where do I
Alexander S. Kunz writes:
local tree - sounds like you're using IMAP?
No. There's a tree of folders with Local at the top. It's not IMAP.
If you mean the common folders (that don't belong to an account) ...
Yes, I suppose that's what they are called.
... they have account settings too,
Alexander S. Kunz writes:
H - you named them yourself local, did you?
I don't know. What is the top folder on the tree named by default?
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Anthony
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Alexander S. Kunz writes:
I don't know - here, there is no top folder. My common folders are on the
same level as the account's top folders.
Well, what is the top folder called in the common folder tree?
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Anthony
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Mary Bull writes:
Here is the way my folder looks, reading vertically, top down:
The account name, m.bull. Moving right, Inbox, with numerous
subfolders. Below it, Outbox, Sent Mail, and Trash. Below that the
names of my only two Common folders, TBUDL Archive and TBBETA Archive.
I don't
I think there is a problem handling incoming messages that contain
invalid e-mail addresses or nothing at all in the From field (and
possibly the Sender field).
I hae a Perl script that generates feedback and guest-book messages and
it allows visitors to not provide an e-mail address. I've
Marck D Pearlstone writes:
If the images are references to online images, The Bat! (quite
correctly, and this is not scheduled to be changed) will not go online
to download extras not sent with an email. To download such images is
a breach of TB's security model and those email programs that
Can TB be configured to access MSN e-mail accounts? If so, what are the
required parameters?
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Anthony
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Tony Boom writes:
Does MSN support pop or IMAP access? If so then TB! should be able to access
it.
Fine, but with what parameters (servers, settings, etc.)?
Yes, MSN (the paying version) supposedly supports POP3/SMTP clients.
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Anthony
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Is there a way to log the POP3 exchanges that take place when The Bat
checks e-mail? I notice that it always lingers for 30 seconds or more
on the last account it checks during a mail check cycle, and I want to
know why. If I try to reference a message that it has fetched from this
last account
Peter Meyns writes:
See above. It is obvious, that interfering in the import process may
produce a conflict.
Perhaps, but that conflict should not produce an address violation. If
there is a conflict, TB shouldn't show the messages in the folder until
they are actually available for viewing.
Wolffe writes:
In the account directory for the specific mailbox
(ie C:\programs\thebat\mail\yahoo), create the file protocol.ini and
populate it with these settings:
[pop]
logging=0
log=pop.log
[smtp]
logging=0
log=smtp.log
[imap]
logging=0
log=imap.session
Where logging 0=off
John Phillips writes:
Just wondering if Bat! can handle high speed ADSL correctly. My standard
connect is 1.5 mb.
I connect to my own e-mail server on my LAN at speeds of 100 Mbps with
no trouble.
I have noticed at times that all messages are downloaded (info from the
connection centre) and
Thomas Fernandez writes:
In the office I also download mails from the LAN at 100MBps. No
corruption, even though the filtering (and status importing messages
is a couple of seconds slow. No problem.
How many filters do you have?
I have lots of filters and sometimes the filtering is so slow
Thomas Fernandez writes:
Over a hundred.
I don't have that many, but TB still falls behind on the filters (as far
as I can tell).
30 seconds is very often. What do you need that for?
It's not often at all on a 100 Mbps network. It costs nothing and I get
my e-mail in nearly real time that
John Phillips writes:
Do you have trouble with 3.01.33 losing mail on your lan?
Offhand, I can't remember ever losing any e-mail ... even when TB has
crashed. When I start it back up, the messages are all there.
However, it faults with enormous frequency now (dozens of times a day,
Thomas Fernandez writes:
Try checking every 2 minutes and see whether the problem persists.
OK.
Can you this AV here? the numbers won't tell me anything, but they
might tell somebody something.
I'll try to take a screen shot the next time I see it.
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Anthony
Peter Ouwehand writes:
Call me stupid, but what does OWA stand for ?? (yet Another Winblows
Application ??)
Outlook Web Access, I think ... the web-based client for Exchange.
I just can't seem to rime email and some web app from M$ to be being
called 'pretty nifty'.
It's only necessary to
Kevin Coates writes:
Most of us spend a fair amount of money on our hardware and Internet
access. Buying a decent AV package should be part of the process. Yes,
you can do it for free, but is it worth the risk?
If you don't open attachments, have a firewall, and don't run active
content on
Alexander S. Kunz writes:
Nonsense.
It has worked flawlessly for me for many years.
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Alexander S. Kunz writes:
That doesn't mean it will work for everyone else.
They do have to be diligent, yes.
But antivirus software doesn't work for everyone, either, and it can
cause lots of problems, as well as inducing a false sense of security.
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Anthony
Melissa Reese writes:
The one thing that's getting very little mention here is the concept
of careful practices above and beyond any particular choice of AV/AT
and other types of protective software.
I've mentioned it.
Antivirus products, generally speaking, are inferior substitutes for
safe
Alexander S. Kunz writes:
You really believe this, do you?
Yes. As I've said, it has worked for me for many years.
Ever heard of the average Joe User?
Yes. So?
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Anthony
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Melissa Reese writes:
...I have mixed feelings if a small caveat is not appended. While
*never opening any attachments* will indeed keep one relatively
safer than if one were to *never* open any attachment, if the
admonition to not open *any* attachment is taken too literally, the
usefulness
rich gregory writes:
Some of the users I support tend to not want, care or be able to
understand anything remotely like best practices. They include
several stages of youth and the elderly. Some are quite arrogant and
purposefully flaunt bad habits without regard to the dangers.
Then they
Alexander S. Kunz writes:
There was one incident that change my attitude towards this. I'm
normally using Opera, but in order to use some pages, as you surely
know, one must use Internet Explorer. One of these sites that require
IE *and* ActiveX is ebay when you want to sell something and use
Allie Martin writes:
It's ridiculous now and we simply have to run the software rather
than sit thinking that we alone can make the difference.
It only gets dangerous when you stop thinking.
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Anthony
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Thomas Fernandez writes:
They are better than nothing.
Yes, but safe computing practices are better than A/V products, and they
are free and do not interfere with the functioning of the OS.
Firewalls have nothing to do with AV software.
They have a lot to do with safe computing, though. In
Thomas Fernandez writes:
Does this sounds arrogant (or elitaire) or is it just me?
Some people think the mere notion of people having computers at home is
arrogant and elitist.
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Anthony
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Thomas Fernandez writes:
You are not in business or academy. In those fields, attached files
with macros are common.
I'm in both, and macro-laden files comprise only a tiny minority of
attached files.
Right. There is no 100% protection, if you need to open those files.
Often, you don't need
Alexander S. Kunz writes:
So, every Netsky virus that sends itself around with a fake sender address
would come from a trusted source by that definition.
Trusted sources are verifiable sources. Digital signatures come in
handy here.
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Anthony
Alexander S. Kunz writes:
Impractical.
Not for me. I've used eBay without the need for ActiveX.
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Anthony
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Allie Martin writes:
From reading your other messages it would seem that your use of your
system and why *you* require or need allows you the luxury of being
able to simply avoid risky practices. More power to you that you're
able to actually do this. Unfortunately, this isn't practical
Thomas Fernandez writes:
My point is that some oneone who sent me uninfected files one day, may
send me an infected file the next.
Then that person is not a trusted source.
Not for me. Well, if they send me .exe files, I do ask them to send me
sensible files. But an Excel atttachment is
Allie Martin writes:
Nah. You're just able to avoid doing a lot of things others can't.
Most can avoid them; they just don't want to. The urge to see a video
of Paris Hilton is just too strong.
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Anthony
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MFPA writes:
Tools | Options | Read tab | Read all messages in plain text
in OE 6; dunno about other versions.
I have OE 6, and I don't see any such option.
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Anthony
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MFPA writes:
Is there a risk to Flash?
Flash contains instructions that are executable on the local machine;
therefore there's always a risk.
There have been some reported virus infections of Flash content. I
don't have any legitimate use for Flash so I have no Flash software
installed.
I
Tim Casten writes:
it a feature in the sp2 version
Oh. Well, it was too little, too late, as I now use TB for my e-mail
(despite several annoying bugs). I haven't even installed SP2, since
I'm sure it will break applications, and I can't afford to spend
hundreds or thousands of dollars
rich gregory writes:
There is NO SUCH THING as a trusted source, ever.
Yes, there is such a thing, depending on one's security policies.
For example, most operating systems consider any user with a valid
password for a given identifier to be a trusted user of that identifier.
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Anthony
MFPA writes:
If I trust somebody, they are trusted.
The trust may, of course, be misplaced.
Exactly. By definition, someone must be trusted in every computer
system. Whether or not that person is really trustworthy is irrelevant
from a security standpoint; what matters in computer security
Is there a way for me to send messages in Unicode with TB? I need to
send stuff containing characters from the International Phonetic
Alphabet, and while I have the necessary Unicode fonts installed, I'm
not sure if there's a way to send Unicode in TB. I send only plain-text
messages with the
No, you can't Ritlabs ignore this Unicode issue :(
But TB _displays_ Unicode without any problem, it seems. So it just
can't generate it?
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MFPA writes:
At least one problem: TB! will not display it using the _plain_
text viewer. Annoying.
It seems to be displaying it for me, although it uses a proportional
font (Lucida Sans Unicode--I don't have any monospaced Unicode fonts).
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Anthony
MFPA writes:
Are you sure? It is acknowledged in Stefan Tanurkov's note to the
bug report at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4067 that
the plain text viewer does not support Unicode.
Well, I see the special Unicode characters in the message, and it's only
black-and-white text. And I
I just upgraded to 3.5 from 3.0, and my filters don't seem to work the
way they used to. Filters that checked the recipient fields for a
specific address and moved the message to a specific folder no longer
seem to work; instead the messages are falling into a catch-all filter
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