Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hello MFPA, M Hi M On Monday 23 March 2009 at 5:06:56 PM, in M mid:688318481.20090323120...@charter.net, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: BTW, I tried to send this suggestion to The Bat! Wish address (w...@thebat.net) but it bounced back. Does anybody know if there's still such a wish list address? M Go to https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/ and log it under the Bat! wishes. M You have to sign up first. Thank you. -- Jack LaRosa mailto:jlar...@charter.net Sticking with with The Bat! ver: 3.99.3 for now. Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hi On Monday 23 March 2009 at 5:06:56 PM, in mid:688318481.20090323120...@charter.net, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: BTW, I tried to send this suggestion to The Bat! Wish address (w...@thebat.net) but it bounced back. Does anybody know if there's still such a wish list address? Go to https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/ and log it under the Bat! wishes. You have to sign up first. -- Best regards, MFPA Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalising animal. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hello Dwight, DC On Thursday, March 19, 2009, 9:01:46 AM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: Does TB have any method (setting) which would warn the sender that he/she is about to send a message where all recipients would be able to see all addresses to whom the message was sent? DC that would certainly be a nuisance whenever you needed to send a DC message to more than one person on purpose. As far as I know it's only DC rude to address mail to people with visible addresses is when DC forwarding jokes and chain letters. If you want someone to be able to DC use the reply to all function, they have to be able to see all the DC addresses. Ideally it would be a user selectable option much like the Sending message with empty subject confirmation which exists now. Those who found it annoying or troublesome could simply disable it. BTW, I tried to send this suggestion to The Bat! Wish address (w...@thebat.net) but it bounced back. Does anybody know if there's still such a wish list address? -- Jack LaRosa mailto:jlar...@charter.net Sticking with with The Bat! ver: 3.99.3 for now. Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
On Thursday, March 19, 2009, 9:01:46 AM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: Does TB have any method (setting) which would warn the sender that he/she is about to send a message where all recipients would be able to see all addresses to whom the message was sent? that would certainly be a nuisance whenever you needed to send a message to more than one person on purpose. As far as I know it's only rude to address mail to people with visi -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.1.11.8 on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Freitag, 20. März 2009 at 23:25, MFPA wrote: That surprises me, as our data protection act is supposed to have been enacted top comply with EU requirements that they tell us require such enactments in every EU country. We call that QS here and the only thing is: Do net let them catch you, care for that they catch someone other than you... -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.8 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hello MFPA, On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:28:43 + GMT (21/Mar/09, 5:28 +0700 GMT), MFPA wrote: M Or to a disposable address used for the purpose... You cannot use a disposal email address in busines. If you want to do any. M I do not see how using a disposable address in the To field of a M joke you sent out would harm your business. Now, the joke itself - M that may be a different story. (-; Yes you are right. Most of my mails are business emails, and I even receive those forwards there sometimes. I was thinking of using a disposable address in the From field, but now why would anyone send out jokes from his business address? - Let me check: It was past midnight when I wrote that message, so I now ask you to please ignore it. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hello Jack, On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:41:42 -0500 GMT (21/Mar/09, 3:41 +0700 GMT), Jack S. LaRosa wrote: TF Yes, absolutely. I have been angered many times by people CC'ing me in TF to a funny mail to a hundred people I don't know. JSL As have I. Most annoying. I think everybody has this experience. JSL In which case, a trigger alerting the sender of multiple JSL addresses in the TO field might be appreciated. TF And the CC field. And the warning will be ignored. I guarantee you TF that people who put multiple addresses in TO or CC fields don;t even TF think for a moment what they do, and they will click the warning away TF without even reading it. JSL Probably. But since most (some?, a few?) of us agree in this matter, a JSL tickle in the ear of RIT Labs might be in order. No, I was being sarcastic. I agree with Jernej that the warning would be useless. JSL Personally, if person A asks me for the email address of person JSL B, I never give it out without asking person B if it's ok to JSL do so. I wish only that TB made sure I adhered to this rule when JSL sending to multiple addresses. TF TB! cannot do that, only education can. JSL TB! cannot do that YET. Perhaps in a future version? I think the developers have better things to do. A reconsideration of the filtering system would be my favourite. Others have other pet peeves, some even want them to fix bugs! Maybe they'll surprise us and make TB! work with EU regulation signature cards, like Outlook does. So people in those countries that already allow it, can use TB! do send their tax return forms. Now, that would be something! -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hello Jernej, On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:44:01 +0100 GMT (21/Mar/09, 2:44 +0700 GMT), Jernej Simončič wrote: So, maybe, they should have to type in I agree to THIS or simply YES JS They'll click [X] and then complain that the program doesn't work (and JS still won't read the message). I've seen it happen too many times. Yup, that's my take on this, too. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
On Thursday, March 19, 2009, 9:01:46 AM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: Does TB have any method (setting) which would warn the sender that he/she is about to send a message where all recipients would be able to see all addresses to whom the message was sent? that would certainly be a nuisance whenever you needed to send a message to more than one person on purpose. As far as I know it's only rude to address mail to people with visible addresses is when forwarding jokes and chain letters. If you want someone to be able to use the reply to all function, they have to be able to see all the addresses. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.1.11.8 on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
On Thursday, March 19, 2009, 3:20:56 PM, MFPA wrote: Not just prudent - under certain circumstances, sharing personal data in this way without the permission of the data subject would be unlawful, as well as bad manners. Unlawful?? -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.1.11.8 on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
On Thursday, March 19, 2009, 3:20:56 PM, MFPA wrote: Not just prudent - under certain circumstances, sharing personal data in this way without the permission of the data subject would be unlawful, as well as bad manners. Unlawful?? The Internet Police are monitoring this thread ... :)) -- Rick A great many people think they are thinking when they are really rearranging their prejudices. - William James v4.1.11.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hi On Saturday 21 March 2009 at 7:00:12 PM, in mid:1054534911.20090321140...@fastmail.fm, Dwight Corrin wrote: Unlawful?? Sharing somebody's personal data without their permission could very easily place you in breach of data protection legislation in many countries. -- Best regards, MFPA He's an environmentalist - his arguments are 100% recycled Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hi On Friday 20 March 2009 at 10:09:07 PM, in mid:326668246.20090320230...@gmx.de, Jens Franik wrote: Yes, as we already recognized while translating it is the same option or something is wrong in the orginal English String - not clear. Evidently it is the same option, presumably because the message is /saved/ in the outbox briefly before immediate /sending/. Unsure what language you are translating to/from but it surprises me if SEND and SAVE translate the same? -- Best regards, MFPA Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Donnerstag, 19. März 2009 at 18:25, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Now, this is funny. I guess the wife of the owner of your company owned a factory for green and yellow sheets of paper. No, it's been my job to transport raising agent and cheese to Spain and Portugal and get back paper from Portugal to Spain and Potatoes and Oranges and Tomato Napoli back to Allemania. -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.8 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hi On Thursday 19 March 2009 at 8:54:08 PM, in mid:9010130181.20090319215...@gmx.de, Jens Franik wrote: as an Option to configure like Empty Subject. How do you configure the Empty Subject pop-up? I have never found the option. -- Best regards, MFPA Don't learn safety rules by accident... Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hello MFPA, as an Option to configure like Empty Subject. How do you configure the Empty Subject pop-up? I have never found the option. Options/Preferences/Other options/Confirmations -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.8 See some of my photos at http://www.Rancho-K.com Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Freitag, 20. März 2009 at 15:39, MFPA wrote: mid:9010130181.20090319215...@gmx.de, Jens Franik wrote: as an Option to configure like Empty Subject. How do you configure the Empty Subject pop-up? I have never found the option. I am glad, i can help you out: There is a Checkbox in the Dialog, which allows to Always prompt when Subject is empty, i did not check the options, but normally it must be possible to reset it again after once checking this... http://www.de2all.de/thebat/screen46.png -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.8 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Freitag, 20. März 2009 at 16:49, MAU wrote: as an Option to configure like Empty Subject. How do you configure the Empty Subject pop-up? I have never found the option. Options/Preferences/Other options/Confirmations Thank you for the Team-Play! I thought, there must be an equivalent Option in the Settings... -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.8 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hello Jens, On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:56:00 +0100 GMT (20/Mar/09, 16:56 +0700 GMT), Jens Franik wrote: Now, this is funny. I guess the wife of the owner of your company owned a factory for green and yellow sheets of paper. JF No, it's been my job to transport raising agent and cheese to Spain JF and Portugal and get back paper from Portugal to Spain and Potatoes JF and Oranges and Tomato Napoli back to Allemania. You are in the trucking business? -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hello Jack, On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:40:39 -0500 GMT (20/Mar/09, 1:40 +0700 GMT), Jack S. LaRosa wrote: JSL [...] As a consequence, my daughter is now receiving messages JSL from her cousin with whom she may or may not wish to maintain JSL correspondence. No biggie, but I wish TB would keep a closer JSL eye on me. TF Sorry, TB! can't know that. I am sorry to hear that your daughter and TF her cousin are now in touch. I am sorry, but what again is the TF problem? JSL Probably none. In this case. I'm so relieved to hear that. JSL It's just that in today's world where personal emails probably surpass JSL business emails in quantity, OMG! I'm glad that my experience is different. 126 business email today. Many of them I can answer with a short notice. Private emails I answer with more personal concern for the people. I couldn't handle 126 personal emails a day. JSL the etiquette of concealing other addresses I assume, would be JSL appreciated by many. Yes, absolutely. I have been angered many times by people CC'ing me in to a funny mail to a hundred people I don't know. JSL In which case, a trigger alerting the sender of multiple JSL addresses in the TO field might be appreciated. And the CC field. And the warning will be ignored. I guarantee you that people who put multiple addresses in TO or CC fields don;t even think for a moment what they do, and they will click the warning away without even reading it. JSL Personally, if person A asks me for the email address of person JSL B, I never give it out without asking person B if it's ok to JSL do so. I wish only that TB made sure I adhered to this rule when JSL sending to multiple addresses. TB! cannot do that, only education can. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hello MFPA, On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:11:05 + GMT (20/Mar/09, 3:11 +0700 GMT), MFPA wrote: Personally, if person A asks me for the email address of person B, I never give it out without asking person B if it's ok to do so. I wish only that TB made sure I adhered to this rule when sending to multiple addresses. M Why not just forward person A's request for person B's email address M to person B for their consideration and possible action? Just remember M not to copy in person A (-; Yep, I've done that many times. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hello MFPA, On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:20:56 + GMT (20/Mar/09, 3:20 +0700 GMT), MFPA wrote: Actually, I was taught that whenever sending a message to multiple recipients who may or may not know each other, it is considered prudent NOT to include everyone in the TO field. M Not just prudent - under certain circumstances, sharing personal M data in this way without the permission of the data subject would M be unlawful, as well as bad manners. Well, laws are different in different countries. It would certainly not be unlawful over here. Unfortunately, it is not even considered bad manners over here, because cultures are different as well. Call me Don Quijote, these are my windmills. [...] In a non-business environment, my understanding of the accepted method is to address the message to YOURSELF and place everyone else's address in the BCC (blind carbon copy) field. That way, each recipient sees the message addressed to them and the other addresses are not visible. M Or to a disposable address used for the purpose... You cannot use a disposal email address in busines. If you want to do any. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Freitag, 20. März 2009 at 17:54, Thomas Fernandez wrote: You are in the trucking business? I have been for some years and some X * 10 km (about 15-2 per month). -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.8 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Freitag, 20. März 2009 at 18:00, Thomas Fernandez wrote: And the CC field. And the warning will be ignored. I guarantee you that people who put multiple addresses in TO or CC fields don;t even think for a moment what they do, and they will click the warning away without even reading it. So, maybe, they should have to type in I agree to THIS or simply YES -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.8 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Freitag, 20. März 2009 at 18:03, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Unfortunately, it is not even considered bad manners over here, because cultures are different as well. Call me Don Quijote, these are my windmills. It is the same in Italy :-) -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.8 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
On Friday, March 20, 2009, 20:12:44, Jens Franik wrote: So, maybe, they should have to type in I agree to THIS or simply YES They'll click [X] and then complain that the program doesn't work (and still won't read the message). I've seen it happen too many times. -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Kensington's Observation Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hi On Friday 20 March 2009 at 3:49:31 PM, in mid:293118673.20090320164...@rancho-k.com, MAU wrote: Options/Preferences/Other options/Confirmations Thanks, MAU. Sorted. It had not occurred to me to try the box about /saving/ a message with an empty subject because I was looking for one that said it was about /sending/ a message with empty subject. I always want a subject in a message I send but not always in a message I am working on to send later, so the two are different to me. (-; -- Best regards, MFPA The One with The Answer is seldom asked The Question Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Freitag, 20. März 2009 at 22:57, MFPA wrote: Thanks, MAU. Sorted. It had not occurred to me to try the box about /saving/ a message with an empty subject because I was looking for one that said it was about /sending/ a message with empty subject. I always want a subject in a message I send but not always in a message I am working on to send later, so the two are different to me. (-; Yes, as we already recognized while translating it is the same option or something is wrong in the orginal English String - not clear. -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.8 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hi On Friday 20 March 2009 at 7:13:34 PM, in mid:1086246945.20090320201...@gmx.de, Jens Franik wrote: Freitag, 20. März 2009 at 18:03, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Unfortunately, it is not even considered bad manners over here, because cultures are different as well. Call me Don Quijote, these are my windmills. It is the same in Italy :-) That surprises me, as our data protection act is supposed to have been enacted top comply with EU requirements that they tell us require such enactments in every EU country. -- Best regards, MFPA The truth is rarely pure and never simple Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hi On Friday 20 March 2009 at 5:03:34 PM, in mid:165292262.20090321000...@thomas-bkk.my-fqdn.de, Thomas Fernandez wrote: M Or to a disposable address used for the purpose... You cannot use a disposal email address in busines. If you want to do any. I do not see how using a disposable address in the To field of a joke you sent out would harm your business. Now, the joke itself - that may be a different story. (-; -- Best regards, MFPA Free advice costs nothing until you act upon it Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hello Thomas, TF Hello Jack, TF On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:40:39 -0500 GMT (20/Mar/09, 1:40 +0700 GMT), TF Jack S. LaRosa wrote: JSL [...] As a consequence, my daughter is now receiving messages JSL from her cousin with whom she may or may not wish to maintain JSL correspondence. No biggie, but I wish TB would keep a closer JSL eye on me. TF Sorry, TB! can't know that. I am sorry to hear that your daughter and TF her cousin are now in touch. I am sorry, but what again is the TF problem? JSL Probably none. In this case. TF I'm so relieved to hear that. JSL It's just that in today's world where personal emails probably surpass JSL business emails in quantity, TF OMG! I'm glad that my experience is different. 126 business email TF today. Many of them I can answer with a short notice. Private emails I TF answer with more personal concern for the people. I couldn't handle TF 126 personal emails a day. JSL the etiquette of concealing other addresses I assume, would be JSL appreciated by many. TF Yes, absolutely. I have been angered many times by people CC'ing me in TF to a funny mail to a hundred people I don't know. As have I. Most annoying. JSL In which case, a trigger alerting the sender of multiple JSL addresses in the TO field might be appreciated. TF And the CC field. And the warning will be ignored. I guarantee you TF that people who put multiple addresses in TO or CC fields don;t even TF think for a moment what they do, and they will click the warning away TF without even reading it. Probably. But since most (some?, a few?) of us agree in this matter, a tickle in the ear of RIT Labs might be in order. JSL Personally, if person A asks me for the email address of person JSL B, I never give it out without asking person B if it's ok to JSL do so. I wish only that TB made sure I adhered to this rule when JSL sending to multiple addresses. TF TB! cannot do that, only education can. TB! cannot do that YET. Perhaps in a future version? -- Jack LaRosa mailto:jlar...@charter.net Sticking with with The Bat! ver: 3.99.3 for now. Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hallo Jack, On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:01:46 -0500GMT (19-3-2009, 15:01 +0100, where I live), you wrote: JSL Does TB have any method (setting) which would warn the sender JSL that he/she is about to send a message where all recipients would JSL be able to see all addresses to whom the message was sent? No. It isn't necessarily a bad thing that the recipients can see all addresses. In case they're supposed to reply to all recipients it's even necessary. And when they know one another, there's no problem either. It's merely when you send something to a large unrelated group of recipients (like your complete address book) that it's frowned upon. And it would be hard for a program like TB to know when it's against netiquette and when not. That's where you've got yourself for. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Every person constructs their own bed of nails. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.1.11.8 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgp1XPAorOw08.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Fellow list members, Having recently accidentally violated the email etiquette rule about putting multiple addresses in the TO field, I got to wondering... Does TB have any method (setting) which would warn the sender that he/she is about to send a message where all recipients would be able to see all addresses to whom the message was sent? Something like the warning you get when you forget to put something in the SUBJECT field perhaps? I looked in OPTIONS/PREFERENCES/OTHER OPTIONS/CONFIRMATIONS where I found the one about empty subject field, but nothing about multiple addresses in the TO field. A later version of TB maybe? I'm not sure that IS etiquette. I worked in an IBM facility and it was common practice to send something TO: two or three primaries and CC: several others. I know what you're saying; If someone else needs to read this email I should use the CC line. I'm not really sure it rates a warning message. -- Rick Coffee is Love v4.1.11.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hello Rick, I'm not sure that IS etiquette. I worked in an IBM facility and it was common practice to send something TO: two or three primaries and CC: several others. I know what you're saying; If someone else needs to read this email I should use the CC line. I'm not really sure it rates a warning message. Agree, it is not an etiquette issue. My whole life experience is that the addressing and distribution of messages come from the days of TWXes (Telex), much before email was invented. You should use the To: field to include those the message is really address To, and from whom you may expect or request and action and/or reply. And those included in CC field (Carbon Copy in TWXes, that's where CC comes form) are just For information. In the organisation for which I worked for 27 years (up to 1985), to further emphasise and clarify the difference, the operators in communications department, before distributing copies of received TWXes to the different addresses, had to staple a copy of the message on a *green* sheet op paper with an ACTION on top for those the message was address to, and on a *pink* sheet with FOR INFO on top, for those in CC field. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.8 See some of my photos at http://www.Rancho-K.com Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hello Rick, Fellow list members, Having recently accidentally violated the email etiquette rule about putting multiple addresses in the TO field, I got to wondering... Does TB have any method (setting) which would warn the sender that he/she is about to send a message where all recipients would be able to see all addresses to whom the message was sent? Something like the warning you get when you forget to put something in the SUBJECT field perhaps? I looked in OPTIONS/PREFERENCES/OTHER OPTIONS/CONFIRMATIONS where I found the one about empty subject field, but nothing about multiple addresses in the TO field. A later version of TB maybe? R I'm not sure that IS etiquette. I worked in an IBM facility and it was R common practice to send something TO: two or three primaries and CC: R several others. R I know what you're saying; If someone else needs to read this email I R should use the CC line. I'm not really sure it rates a warning R message. Thanks to Rick and Roelof for replying. Actually, I was taught that whenever sending a message to multiple recipients who may or may not know each other, it is considered prudent NOT to include everyone in the TO field. Some people desire to keep their email address confidential for their own reasons. I can see however where in a business environment it may be acceptable, even necessary perhaps to have all recipients contained in the TO field. Although in retrospect, I wonder why even that would be necessary as the original post, now saved in the SENT mail folder, would be available as proof that all necessary recipients were included. In a non-business environment, my understanding of the accepted method is to address the message to YOURSELF and place everyone else's address in the BCC (blind carbon copy) field. That way, each recipient sees the message addressed to them and the other addresses are not visible. As mentioned in the original post, I accidently sent a message to family and friends and without realizing it, placed all addresses in the TO field. So easy to do from the AB. As a consequence, my daughter is now receiving messages from her cousin with whom she may or may not wish to maintain correspondence. No biggie, but I wish TB would keep a closer eye on me. -- Jack LaRosa mailto:jlar...@charter.net Sticking with with The Bat! ver: 3.99.3 for now. Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hello MAU, On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:22:03 +0100 GMT (19/Mar/09, 22:22 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: I'm not sure that IS etiquette. I worked in an IBM facility and it was common practice to send something TO: two or three primaries and CC: several others. I know what you're saying; If someone else needs to read this email I should use the CC line. I'm not really sure it rates a warning message. Agree. And if you forward those funny things to everybody in your addressbook, use BCC (and please delete me from your addressbook first). M Agree, it is not an etiquette issue. My whole life experience is that M the addressing and distribution of messages come from the days of TWXes M (Telex), much before email was invented. You should use the To: field to M include those the message is really address To, and from whom you may M expect or request and action and/or reply. And those included in CC M field (Carbon Copy in TWXes, that's where CC comes form) are just For M information. This is also my understanding. M In the organisation for which I worked for 27 years (up to 1985), to M further emphasise and clarify the difference, the operators in M communications department, before distributing copies of received TWXes M to the different addresses, had to staple a copy of the message on a M *green* sheet op paper with an ACTION on top for those the message was M address to, and on a *pink* sheet with FOR INFO on top, for those in CC M field. Now, this is funny. I guess the wife of the owner of your company owned a factory for green and yellow sheets of paper. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hello Jack, On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:34:36 -0500 GMT (19/Mar/09, 22:34 +0700 GMT), Jack S. LaRosa wrote: JSL Actually, I was taught that whenever sending a message to multiple JSL recipients who may or may not know each other, it is considered JSL prudent NOT to include everyone in the TO field. Some people desire JSL to keep their email address confidential for their own reasons. Yes, especially when you are forwarding these funny jokes. My reply usually is: Please use BCC and don't publish my email address to everybody I don't know. I receive enough spam as it is. JSL I can see however where in a business environment it may be JSL acceptable, even necessary perhaps to have all recipients JSL contained in the TO field. No. In a business environment, you will have one recipeint in the TO field, and he is responsible for replying. The other are copied in CC. Otherwise, everybody thinks that the other one will reply, and in the end, you will not get any reply at all. JSL Although in retrospect, I wonder why even that would be necessary JSL as the original post, now saved in the SENT mail folder, would be JSL available as proof that all necessary recipients were included. It's not about proving you sent the request. It is about receiving a reply. Communication, the ugly word. JSL In a non-business environment, my understanding of the accepted JSL method is to address the message to YOURSELF and place everyone JSL else's address in the BCC (blind carbon copy) field. That way, JSL each recipient sees the message addressed to them and the other JSL addresses are not visible. Yes, especially for circulars. They are easier to ignore this way. It is much more difficult with personal emails. JSL As mentioned in the original post, I accidently sent a message to JSL family and friends and without realizing it, placed all addresses JSL in the TO field. So easy to do from the AB. As a consequence, my JSL daughter is now receiving messages from her cousin with whom she JSL may or may not wish to maintain correspondence. No biggie, but I JSL wish TB would keep a closer eye on me. Sorry, TB! can't know that. I am sorry to hear that your daughter and her cousin are now in touch. I am sorry, but what again is the problem? ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hello Thomas, TF Hello Jack, TF On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:34:36 -0500 GMT (19/Mar/09, 22:34 +0700 GMT), TF Jack S. LaRosa wrote: snipped for brevity JSL As mentioned in the original post, I accidently sent a message to JSL family and friends and without realizing it, placed all addresses JSL in the TO field. So easy to do from the AB. As a consequence, my JSL daughter is now receiving messages from her cousin with whom she JSL may or may not wish to maintain correspondence. No biggie, but I JSL wish TB would keep a closer eye on me. TF Sorry, TB! can't know that. I am sorry to hear that your daughter and TF her cousin are now in touch. I am sorry, but what again is the TF problem? Probably none. In this case. It's just that in today's world where personal emails probably surpass business emails in quantity, the etiquette of concealing other addresses I assume, would be appreciated by many. In which case, a trigger alerting the sender of multiple addresses in the TO field might be appreciated. Personally, if person A asks me for the email address of person B, I never give it out without asking person B if it's ok to do so. I wish only that TB made sure I adhered to this rule when sending to multiple addresses. -- Jack LaRosa mailto:jlar...@charter.net Sticking with with The Bat! ver: 3.99.3 for now. Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hi On Thursday 19 March 2009 at 6:40:39 PM, in mid:1954619436.20090319134...@charter.net, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: It's just that in today's world where personal emails probably surpass business emails in quantity, the etiquette of concealing other addresses I assume, would be appreciated by many. In which case, a trigger alerting the sender of multiple addresses in the TO field might be appreciated. It certainly might, provided you could turn it on or off by account. While we're at it, how about an auto-reply castigating thoughtless contacts who share your email address in this way without having the courtesy to ask you first? Personally, if person A asks me for the email address of person B, I never give it out without asking person B if it's ok to do so. I wish only that TB made sure I adhered to this rule when sending to multiple addresses. Why not just forward person A's request for person B's email address to person B for their consideration and possible action? Just remember not to copy in person A (-; -- Best regards, MFPA Virtual workspace, Virtual Office, Virtual Job Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hi On Thursday 19 March 2009 at 3:34:36 PM, in mid:0507531.20090319103...@charter.net, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: Actually, I was taught that whenever sending a message to multiple recipients who may or may not know each other, it is considered prudent NOT to include everyone in the TO field. Not just prudent - under certain circumstances, sharing personal data in this way without the permission of the data subject would be unlawful, as well as bad manners. [...] In a non-business environment, my understanding of the accepted method is to address the message to YOURSELF and place everyone else's address in the BCC (blind carbon copy) field. That way, each recipient sees the message addressed to them and the other addresses are not visible. Or to a disposable address used for the purpose... -- Best regards, MFPA Don't ask me, I'm making this up as I go! Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Donnerstag, 19. März 2009 at 15:01, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: Does TB have any method (setting) which would warn the sender that he/she is about to send a message where all recipients would be able to see all addresses to whom the message was sent? Something like the warning you get when you forget to put something in the SUBJECT field perhaps? I would support this as an Option to configure like Empty Subject. I am not sure, if my customers will click away this like they do with every PopUpMessage - but it might be of help to punisch them after that :-) -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.8 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Donnerstag, 19. März 2009 at 15:35, Rick wrote: I'm not sure that IS etiquette. I worked in an IBM facility and it was common practice to send something TO: two or three primaries and CC: several others. I know it like this: The Destination which the Mail is dedicated written to in the To: The Copy which should know of the Mail in the Cc: The Hidden/Blind Copy in the Bcc: -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.11.8 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.2.0.1 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multple addresses in TO field
Hello Thomas, Now, this is funny. I guess the wife of the owner of your company owned a factory for green and yellow sheets of paper. Don't know. I've never known who was or is the owner of NASA-JPL. ;) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.11.8 See some of my photos at http://www.Rancho-K.com Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
