Thats not a way to be diplomatic. I was hoping to close the argument so I
could announce that the Spring convention website and fees. I thought to
delegate it to you since its your platform but I will bring it up myself,
Mark asked me if I would do it.
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Charles Gold
Nah, I'll reply to the next person who brings it up again.
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:31 AM, ellie :) wrote:
> I am happy to post the comment if you prefer not to.
>
> On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
>> Good night
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:38 AM, "ellie :)" wrote:
>>
>>> Ttyl. Sle
I am happy to post the comment if you prefer not to.
On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
> Good night
>
>
>
> On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:38 AM, "ellie :)" wrote:
>
>> Ttyl. Sleep time
>>
>> On 12/15/09, ellie :) wrote:
>>> Im sure we can come to an easy agreement at the meeting. The sentence
>>>
Good night
On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:38 AM, "ellie :)" wrote:
Ttyl. Sleep time
On 12/15/09, ellie :) wrote:
Im sure we can come to an easy agreement at the meeting. The sentence
I sent you to forward is very broad and we can add details to the
actuall motion as the meeting day approaches. Ju
Ttyl. Sleep time
On 12/15/09, ellie :) wrote:
> Im sure we can come to an easy agreement at the meeting. The sentence
> I sent you to forward is very broad and we can add details to the
> actuall motion as the meeting day approaches. Just dont add or
> subtract from what I recommended for you to
Im sure we can come to an easy agreement at the meeting. The sentence
I sent you to forward is very broad and we can add details to the
actuall motion as the meeting day approaches. Just dont add or
subtract from what I recommended for you to post. You could add...
"Silence is consent." That would
I suggested all this to Mark and that we discuss it in Jan. He is
cool w/ it. Jerry wants resolution...your post would be the answer
everyone is waiting for
On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
> have you had this discussion with anyone else?
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:20 AM, ellie :) wrot
have you had this discussion with anyone else?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:20 AM, ellie :) wrote:
> Yes. Ive been sick for 4 days- ive been thinking a lot. Wish I had
> been in bed the whole time, no luck though
>
> On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
>> Really think we should put that over Cav
Yes. Ive been sick for 4 days- ive been thinking a lot. Wish I had
been in bed the whole time, no luck though
On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
> Really think we should put that over Cavetex?
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:14 AM, ellie :) wrote:
>> So, copy and paste this following message a
Really think we should put that over Cavetex?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:14 AM, ellie :) wrote:
> So, copy and paste this following message and forward it to whatever
> related posts:
> I motion to table this discussion and refer it to the Free Texas Caver
> committee to be discussed at the Janua
So, copy and paste this following message and forward it to whatever
related posts:
I motion to table this discussion and refer it to the Free Texas Caver
committee to be discussed at the January 10th TSA meeting where
registered members present can vote for a majority.
Include meeting location de
Cool, let me know if I can help further
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:08 AM, ellie :) wrote:
> Yes of course, and the member fee increase. If it all sticks to your
> motion, and doesnt stray, we can cover a lot of business in a very
> short time with the members present. We will need handouts detail
Yes of course, and the member fee increase. If it all sticks to your
motion, and doesnt stray, we can cover a lot of business in a very
short time with the members present. We will need handouts detailing
everything but that is simple and I will volunteer to do it. We have
time and I would rather f
Sure, do you think we should bring up the 2 tier membership to go hand
in hand with this?
I dont' know what the costs should be, but people who want a hard
cover should have to pay for that privilege :)
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:57 PM, ellie :) wrote:
> Yes, many geek friends w/ technological
Yes, many geek friends w/ technological skills.
Will you be the Free Texas Caver committee chair? We can table the
Texas Caver conversation now and you can bring it up for debate at the
Jan meeting. At the Jan meeting, you will obtain the floor and make a
motion to the TSA chair. He will then accep
I'm somewhat familiar with RRO, read through it years ago.
Isn't that why you have geek friends?
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:13 PM, ellie :) wrote:
> I majored in Business. I will forward you a script for the January
> business meeting- Roberts Rule of Order, its simple. Im embarrassed
> that I t
I majored in Business. I will forward you a script for the January
business meeting- Roberts Rule of Order, its simple. Im embarrassed
that I thought black meant red. I suck w/ computers.
On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
> Just thoughts rambling through my head, never sat down and wrote down
Just thoughts rambling through my head, never sat down and wrote down the ideas.
No, went to A&M for a few years for comp sci and switched to an
aeronautical school to get my pilot's license. Am back in computers
tho, LOL
:)
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:10 PM, ellie :) wrote:
> Free thinker! Did
Free thinker! Did you go to a liberal arts school? I will lay out a
simple, organized way to bring this issue up at the next meeting. I
have thought it through but will not propose it myself. You probably
have material prepared as well
On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
> I'm not condoning of
Amen Ediger!
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Gill Edigar wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM, John P. Brooks
> wrote:
>
> I want to save the TSA from financial ruinI will go digital if Ediger
>> renews his membership. Anyone else willing to make that commitment?
>>
>
> Ediger will r
I'm not condoning of getting rid of the membership fees, and while I
think a few may quit paying if they can get the TC for free, I think
that it will bring in more members in the long run.
The information should be free.
Charles
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:07 PM, ellie :) wrote:
> I didnt know y
I didnt know you felt this way and thought as a TSA member, you would
support having a small income for the organization. I will offer to
give Gill my prize of a 2010 membership but in no way think that there
should be no membership fees. I am glad he has someone to market for
him though(you)-i won
Gil, I seem to remember you making that statement within the last year
or so, about the $100 donation. I also seem to remark about matching
that, and I'll stand by it. I'll donate $100 as well.
Charles
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Gill Edigar wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM, John
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM, John P. Brooks
wrote:
> I want to save the TSA from financial ruinI will go digital if Ediger
> renews his membership. Anyone else willing to make that commitment?
>
Ediger will renew his lapsed TSA membership and donate $100 to the TSA
within seconds of The
I want to save the TSA from financial ruinI will go digital if Ediger
renews his membership. Anyone else willing to make that commitment?
On 12/14/09 1:14 PM, "mark.al...@l-3com.com" wrote:
> Welcome back, Karen!
>
> Now, if we could only get Ediger to rejoin!
>
>
Thank you, Ms. Vice Chair
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:57 PM, ellie :) wrote:
> Keep up the good work, Beer Boy.
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Charles Goldsmith
> wrote:
>>
>> Joe, I I'm going speak to one thing here, since I administer and run
>> both (and the same) that you mention here.
>
Keep up the good work, Beer Boy.
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
> Joe, I I'm going speak to one thing here, since I administer and run
> both (and the same) that you mention here.
>
> When I took over CaveTex, Bill handed me the reins, membership list
> and website. I
That's interesting Andy, care to enlighten me further in how this
affects those agencies, etc?
Charles
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Andy Grubbs wrote:
> there are a lot of agency and consultign folks who's jobs involve caves insome
> way and most of them monitor what goes on via cavetex so
there are a lot of agency and consultign folks who's jobs involve caves insome
way and most of them monitor what goes on via cavetex something a lot of
caves are not mindful of
Charles Goldsmith wrote:
> Joe, I I'm going speak to one thing here, since I administer and run
> both (and the same) t
I was specifically referencing Mr. White who ran the list when I started.
The TSA offered assistance once or twice and was politely declined. Bill
Bentley must have just kept the same wording much like you did.
Joe
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
> Joe, I I'm going spe
make it out to this meeting.
>
>
> (Once again, I didn't say this).
>
>
> 8^)>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
> Sent: Fri 12/11/2009 3:45 PM
> To: Alman, Mark @ IRP
> Su
Joe, I I'm going speak to one thing here, since I administer and run
both (and the same) that you mention here.
When I took over CaveTex, Bill handed me the reins, membership list
and website. I only updated a few instructions on the site, but left
it the same as he had it. Yes, it has a disclai
need and appreciate every caver, even the ones of varying and differing
opinions!
Later,
Mark
From: Karen Perry [mailto:txcavem...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Mon 12/14/2009 12:47 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: RE: [Texascavers] Please Bec
rk
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Lyndon Tiu
> [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca]
> Sent: Sun 12/13/2009 5:50 PM
> To:
> texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Please Become a
> Digital Online Member
>
>
>
>
>
>
Old cavers never die, they just fade away (but most can still read with a
magnifying glass).
Geezer
-Original Message-
From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca]
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 6:44 AM
To: ellie :); Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Please Become a Digital
d the volunteers of these groups. VIVA TSA!
Fritz
From: jran...@gmail.com [mailto:jran...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:31 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: RE: [Texascavers] Please Become a Digital Online Member
Hey Mark -
In additi
on all of the above items). 8^(>
Mark
From: Lyndon Tiu
[mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca]
Sent: Sun 12/13/2009 5:50 PM
To:
texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Please Become a
Digital Online Member
ellie :) wrote:
> The TSA membership fees cover much
more than the c
From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
Sent: Fri 12/11/2009 3:45 PM
To: Alman, Mark @ IRP
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Please Become a Digital Online Member of the TSA and
Save My Sanity - DANGER! Rant Mode Fully On! LONG
I told you that I was going to bring this up ag
items). 8^(>
Mark
From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca]
Sent: Sun 12/13/2009 5:50 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Please Become a Digital Online Member
ellie :) wrote:
> The TSA membership fees cover much more
ellie :) wrote:
> The TSA membership fees cover much more than the cost of The Caver
Joe Ranzau wrote:
Like?
Sending a few deserving cavers from other countries to the ICS, the TSA
paid for their registration.
--
Lyndon Tiu
-
Like?
Joe
On Dec 13, 2009, at 4:34 PM, "ellie :)" wrote:
The TSA membership fees cover much more than the cost of The Caver
On 12/13/09, Alex Sproul wrote:
Charles said:
My opinion, we put a monetary value with it, if you want a printed
hard
copy, mailed to you,
you get to pay extra :
The TSA membership fees cover much more than the cost of The Caver
On 12/13/09, Alex Sproul wrote:
> Charles said:
>> My opinion, we put a monetary value with it, if you want a printed hard
>> copy, mailed to you,
>> you get to pay extra :)
>
> Seems only fair that if e-copies are essentially fre
Charles said:
> My opinion, we put a monetary value with it, if you want a printed hard copy, mailed to you,
> you get to pay extra :)
Seems only fair that if e-copies are essentially free, vs. snailed copies that cost a good bit,
those who demand hard-copy should pay the freight. The rest
ellie :) wrote:
... and Lyndon
can offer memberships when he registers people. People can put their
email on the registration and opt to make next edition be their first
digital one.
Yes and I promise not to tell new clueless members they have the option
of getting a hard copy. That way, all n
Please read my article in this quarters edition of the Texas Caver! I
am a digital member(thats what she said) and can print out a hardcopy
on someone elses printer if I want to read it that way. I have been
begging Mark for hard copies of this new issue though. Sorry you had
such a rough day. Tomo
Everybody I know has a color printer--or can afford one. Does anyone
actually read The CAVER on screen instead of a copy they've printed out. It
never occurred to me to NOT have a hard copy--but one that I printed out
saving vast amounts of time, hassle, and money (especially money) over one
that c
gt;
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 2:51 PM
> To: Pete Lindsley
> Cc: TexasCavers; Stefan Creaser
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Please Become a Digital Online Membe
December 11, 2009 2:51 PM
To: Pete Lindsley
Cc: TexasCavers; Stefan Creaser
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Please Become a Digital Online Member of the
TSA and Save My Sanity - DANGER! Rant Mode Fully On! LONG
You know, we can easily put this to a vote at the next meeting :)
Charles
Mark, was that good enough :)
Happy Holidays!
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
> Nope, not for either of us :)
>
> But you know me, I'm not about to keep my mouth shut.
>
> Charles
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Fritz Holt
> wrote:
>> It won’t be the first time.
mber 11, 2009 2:51 PM
To: Pete Lindsley
Cc: TexasCavers; Stefan Creaser
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Please Become a Digital Online Member of the TSA and
Save My Sanity - DANGER! Rant Mode Fully On! LONG
You know, we can easily put this to a vote at the next meeting :)
Charles
On Fri, Dec 11,
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> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 2:47 PM
> To: TexasCavers
> Cc: Stefan Creaser
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Please Become a Digital Online Member of the TSA
> and Save My Sanity - DANGER! Rant Mode Fully On! LONG
>
> Amen!
>
&
: Re: [Texascavers] Please Become a Digital Online Member of the TSA and
Save My Sanity - DANGER! Rant Mode Fully On! LONG
Amen!
- Pete
On Dec 11, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Stefan Creaser wrote:
I say that those who like reading a hard copy should get a printer, so the rest
of us don't have to pa
You know, we can easily put this to a vote at the next meeting :)
Charles
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Pete Lindsley wrote:
> Amen!
> - Pete
> On Dec 11, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Stefan Creaser wrote:
> I say that those who like reading a hard copy should get a printer, so the
> rest of us don’t h
Amen!
- Pete
On Dec 11, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Stefan Creaser wrote:
I say that those who like reading a hard copy should get a printer, so
the rest of us don’t have to pay for their indulgence ;-)
Cheers,
Stefan
se
> From: wo...@justfamily.org
> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:13:07 -0600
> To: mark.al...@l-3com.com
> CC: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Please Become a Digital Online Member of
the TSA and Save My Sanity - DANGER! Rant Mode Fully On! LONG
>
> Mark,
: mark.al...@l-3com.com
> CC: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Please Become a Digital Online Member of the TSA
> and Save My Sanity - DANGER! Rant Mode Fully On! LONG
>
> Mark, am sorry you had a bad day with it. I have enjoyed the digital
> copy of the T
Nope, not for either of us :)
But you know me, I'm not about to keep my mouth shut.
Charles
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Fritz Holt wrote:
> It won’t be the first time.
>
> F.
>
It won't be the first time.
F.
From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 1:47 PM
To: Fritz Holt; Charles Goldsmith
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Please Become a Digital Online Memb
, Mark @ IRP
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Please Become a Digital Online Member of the TSA and
Save My Sanity - DANGER! Rant Mode Fully On! LONG
Maybe we can criminalize the issue (not The Caver) and publish the names of
those who receive it by USPS.:)
A geezer but s
: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Please Become a Digital Online Member of the TSA and
Save My Sanity - DANGER! Rant Mode Fully On! LONG
Mark, am sorry you had a bad day with it. I have enjoyed the digital
copy of the TC and have them backed up safely, knowing that I'll
a
Mark, am sorry you had a bad day with it. I have enjoyed the digital
copy of the TC and have them backed up safely, knowing that I'll
always have them :)
Cavers are usually very environment friendly, but I wonder why there
are so many hold outs with the hard copy edition?
Paper, time, money are
Hey, Louise.
I'll comment below:
From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Fri 12/11/2009 12:41 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Please Become a Digital Online Member of the TSA and
Save My Sanity - DANGER! Rant Mode Ful
Hi Mark,
Hope Buddy has a clear tract by now.
Just a couple of things. Please don't abuse us public servants. We have our own
problems and the out of sort public is just one of them. Believe it or not,
sometimes we're not responsible for the evil that befalls everyone.
Also, I have
As a past editor of the caver, I'd say you got off easy.
Don's iPhone.
On Dec 11, 2009, at 9:57 AM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:
My day yesterday began calmly enough.
I woke up from a Benadryl induced haze at around 4 AM and,
mistakenly, thought it was Saturday and, for whatever reason, I
My day yesterday began calmly enough.
I woke up from a Benadryl induced haze at around 4 AM and, mistakenly, thought
it was Saturday and, for whatever reason, I turned off the alarm on my clock
radio.
I then proceeded to snooze soundly and woke up 2 hours later but,
unfortunately, 45 minutes
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