date:20200522

Mark and all, OK: It's just Chrome. 

But on multiple computers. And even quitting and relaunching Chrome does 
not make the weird sort issue resolve. (I'll try other kinds of cleaning 
out the browser tomorrow.)

To describe the problem better: below today's modifications, I get a huge 
time-gap jumping back to Sept 2019 (exactly the point at which the Recent 
tab in well-behaved instantiations stops bothering to show more -- probably 
not a coincidence), then a continuous run of many stock tiddlers from 2019 
back to 2014, then the "faultline" jumping forward to show  yesterday's 
tidders and various earlier 2020 ones (including some very recent 5.1.22 
stock tiddlers) at bottom. 

I wish I understood either how to replicate the problem (in a wiki that I 
don't need to be actively developing) or at least how to eliminate it so 
that I can continue working in Chrome. 

Will save the challenge for another day.

On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 11:45:33 PM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:
>
> When I look at it, it shows me only back to 2019 October. As far as I can 
> tell, everything is sorting normally.
>
> What browser and operating system are you using?
>
> If you look at it with a different browser than you usually use, does it 
> look ok?
>
> I've seen phenomenon sometimes where information gets "stuck" in the 
> browser. Usually refreshing the page fixes this.
>
> Good luck!
>
> On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 8:18:12 PM UTC-7, springer wrote:
>>
>> Here's a permalink for the oddly behaving Recent tab:
>>
>> http://wesepc.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FSideBar%2FRecent
>>
>> You'll need to unencrypt with password munuyg 
>>
>> (I don't mind TW troubleshooters taking a look now, but then I'll change 
>> the password soon. It's hardly "top secret," but it's got enough info 
>> (including about people other than myself) that it shouldn't be completely 
>> open to getting web-crawled.)
>>
>> Birthe: My screenshot focuses on documenting the "faultline" in case 
>> someone might recognize it as a known issue. The large subset above is 
>> properly sorting in descending date order (as is the smaller subset below). 
>>
>> -Springer
>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Saving changes on Android to the same file name

If you use PMario's file-backups you can save to the same file  on Firefox 
(not sure if it does Chrome). But that directory has to be in or below the 
browser's download directory. You can also run tiddlyserver in Termux, 
which let's you save back to more places. For me it's a bit unreliable 
thanks to Android's memory management, but others say it works great for 
them, so it's probably hardware dependent.

There's also dedicated Android apps (Tiddloid and Quinoid).

On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 7:54:40 PM UTC-7, GHz wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm returning to TiddlyWIki due to Stroll (nice work!) and trying to 
> figure out how to best sync my changes between my laptop and phone.  I use 
> Syncthing for other things and it works great to sync changes between my 
> phone's Stroll directory and the Stroll directory on my laptop (when 
> changes are made).  The syncing isn't a problem but I can't find a browser 
> on Android that I can save changes to the same html file that I opened 
> (like a text editor does with "save").  It seems like every browser wants 
> to save it to the Downloads directory and if the filename already exists it 
> auto-renames it to a unique name (which isn't what I want).  I can tell the 
> browsers to "ask me" but that really only has the option to save to 
> Downloads or SDCard (not the directory that I choose).  Has anyone had any 
> luck saving to the same file you are editing on Android?
>
> I tried the GitHub sync but I couldn't figure out how to keep my 
> credentials in the browser when I close/open the browser or reboot.  I'm 
> trying to move away from cloud services as much as possible so I don't 
> really want to use GDrive or GitHub, etc.
>
> Glen
>

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[tw5] Re: Recent tab sorting wrong, burying some recent tiddlers, major glitch!

Mark, aha! 

Although the timeline sort problem happens in Chrome at work AND at home, 
it's not happening in Safari. So you're onto something... and yet it's not 
as simple as a glitch that disappears with a simple refresh. I'm off to 
explore more about when this problem does and doesn't happen...

-Springer

On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 11:45:33 PM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:
>
> When I look at it, it shows me only back to 2019 October. As far as I can 
> tell, everything is sorting normally.
>
> What browser and operating system are you using?
>
> If you look at it with a different browser than you usually use, does it 
> look ok?
>
> I've seen phenomenon sometimes where information gets "stuck" in the 
> browser. Usually refreshing the page fixes this.
>
> Good luck!
>
> On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 8:18:12 PM UTC-7, springer wrote:
>>
>> Here's a permalink for the oddly behaving Recent tab:
>>
>> http://wesepc.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FSideBar%2FRecent
>>
>> You'll need to unencrypt with password munuyg 
>>
>> (I don't mind TW troubleshooters taking a look now, but then I'll change 
>> the password soon. It's hardly "top secret," but it's got enough info 
>> (including about people other than myself) that it shouldn't be completely 
>> open to getting web-crawled.)
>>
>> Birthe: My screenshot focuses on documenting the "faultline" in case 
>> someone might recognize it as a known issue. The large subset above is 
>> properly sorting in descending date order (as is the smaller subset below). 
>>
>> -Springer
>>
>>>


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[tw5] Re: Recent tab sorting wrong, burying some recent tiddlers, major glitch!

When I look at it, it shows me only back to 2019 October. As far as I can 
tell, everything is sorting normally.

What browser and operating system are you using?

If you look at it with a different browser than you usually use, does it 
look ok?

I've seen phenomenon sometimes where information gets "stuck" in the 
browser. Usually refreshing the page fixes this.

Good luck!

On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 8:18:12 PM UTC-7, springer wrote:
>
> Here's a permalink for the oddly behaving Recent tab:
>
> http://wesepc.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FSideBar%2FRecent
>
> You'll need to unencrypt with password munuyg 
>
> (I don't mind TW troubleshooters taking a look now, but then I'll change 
> the password soon. It's hardly "top secret," but it's got enough info 
> (including about people other than myself) that it shouldn't be completely 
> open to getting web-crawled.)
>
> Birthe: My screenshot focuses on documenting the "faultline" in case 
> someone might recognize it as a known issue. The large subset above is 
> properly sorting in descending date order (as is the smaller subset below). 
>
> -Springer
>
>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Personal News

2020-05-22 Thread Rahul Kashyap

take care; wishing for recovery. 

On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 4:59:36 AM UTC-4, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I should let you all know that I have somehow contracted Covid-19, despite 
> being in careful lockdown for two months. I haven't been tested (this is 
> the UK), but the symptoms have gradually become unmistakeable over the last 
> week and a half. It's all tolerable at the moment, and I remain hopeful 
> that this is a mild dose of the disease. My doctor says that I can be 
> cautiously optimistic that I've had symptoms for so long without developing 
> the really dangerous ones. I've been told unequivocally to rest, and so 
> I'll likely be out of action for at least a few days. 
>
> I'm very happy there's so much activity on the group just now, but 
> naturally frustrated not to be able to keep up. Hopefully I'll be back 
> soon, and in the meantime please take care of yourselves and each other, 
>
> Best wishes 
>
> Jeremy 
>
> -- 
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> jer...@jermolene.com  
> https://jermolene.com

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[tw5] Re: Recent tab sorting wrong, burying some recent tiddlers, major glitch!

Here's a permalink for the oddly behaving Recent tab:

http://wesepc.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FSideBar%2FRecent

You'll need to unencrypt with password munuyg 

(I don't mind TW troubleshooters taking a look now, but then I'll change 
the password soon. It's hardly "top secret," but it's got enough info 
(including about people other than myself) that it shouldn't be completely 
open to getting web-crawled.)

Birthe: My screenshot focuses on documenting the "faultline" in case 
someone might recognize it as a known issue. The large subset above is 
properly sorting in descending date order (as is the smaller subset below). 

-Springer

>
>>

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[tw5] Saving changes on Android to the same file name

2020-05-22 Thread GHz

Hi,

I'm returning to TiddlyWIki due to Stroll (nice work!) and trying to figure
out how to best sync my changes between my laptop and phone. I use
Syncthing for other things and it works great to sync changes between my
phone's Stroll directory and the Stroll directory on my laptop (when
changes are made). The syncing isn't a problem but I can't find a browser
on Android that I can save changes to the same html file that I opened
(like a text editor does with "save"). It seems like every browser wants
to save it to the Downloads directory and if the filename already exists it
auto-renames it to a unique name (which isn't what I want). I can tell the
browsers to "ask me" but that really only has the option to save to
Downloads or SDCard (not the directory that I choose). Has anyone had any
luck saving to the same file you are editing on Android?

I tried the GitHub sync but I couldn't figure out how to keep my
credentials in the browser when I close/open the browser or reboot. I'm
trying to move away from cloud services as much as possible so I don't
really want to use GDrive or GitHub, etc.

Glen

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Re: [tw5] Re: Stroll updates

2020-05-22 Thread David Gifford

Yes, Birthe, I think the people asking for plugins are either people with a 
long history of TiddlyWiki, who are kind of locked into plugins as their 
default way of thinking, and those who use GitHub.

This is an *adaptation* of TiddlyWiki that combines many plugins. There is 
someone helping me to package the Stroll parts as a plugin, but it still 
needs the other plugins to work. I am still not sure that Stroll will 
benefit from being a plugin. People who only want parts of it will not be 
satisfied that everything is packaged together. Some people might get 
confused and think it will work without the other plugins. But since so 
many people are asking for it, I am fine with it becoming a plugin and 
hosting it on Github. To each his or her own. But I see it as an adaptation 
or an extra-official 'edition'.

On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 8:17:11 PM UTC-5, Birthe C wrote:
>
> David,
>
> Exactly. You have created a very modular system. Everyone can have exactly 
> what they want and nothing they do not want. At the same time it shows the 
> strength of tags. Tagpill drag and drop import, easy filtering for deleting 
> and so on.
> That is why I find it strange that so many has asked you to make it into a 
> plugin.
>
>
> Birthe
>

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[tw5] Re: Recent tab sorting wrong, burying some recent tiddlers, major glitch!

Since it's on tiddlyspot, it can't be too private. Can you share the 
address? That would be better than playing 20 questions ;-)

On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 5:19:36 PM UTC-7, springer wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> One of my tiddlyspot wikis has developed a bizarrely mis-ordered "Recents" 
> tab. 
>
> At first, I thought the wiki save process was actually "dropping" 
> tiddlers, since they dropped out of view on the Recents tab. 
>
> But then I found today that those tiddlers were somehow tucked way down 
> beneath all of the stock tiddlers. I am finding May 2020 tiddlers sorting 
> as if they're prior to 2014 (tiny screenshot attached below).
>
> There's gotta be an explanation, but surely such a basic thing should not 
> be breakable, right?
>
> Perhaps this is specific to tiddlyspot or to some plugin interference, but 
> how do we begin to find out?
>
> -Springer
>
> [image: timeline_sorted_wrong.jpg]
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Stroll updates

David,

Exactly. You have created a very modular system. Everyone can have exactly 
what they want and nothing they do not want. At the same time it shows the 
strength of tags. Tagpill drag and drop import, easy filtering for deleting 
and so on.
That is why I find it strange that so many has asked you to make it into a 
plugin.


Birthe

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[tw5] Re: Recent tab sorting wrong, burying some recent tiddlers, major glitch!

Tiddlyspot does not change anything. Think about it, we would all have 
complained long time ago and constantly if something like that happened.

Perhaps this is specific to tiddlyspot or to some plugin interference, but 
> how do we begin to find out
>


Birthe 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Stroll updates

2020-05-22 Thread David Gifford

Hi Osin

Deleting Stroll is the same as deleting TiddlyBlink: go to $:/AdvancedSearch
 in your
file, paste [is[system]tag[$:/giffmex/stroll]] in the search box to search
for that string, and click the garbage can icon to delete the tiddlers.

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[tw5] Re: Recent tab sorting wrong, burying some recent tiddlers, major glitch!

On your screenshot the only tiddler I can see having 2014 dateis Typed 
Block in WIkitext...date 20th January 2014.
Exactly the date of https://tiddlywiki.com/#Typed%20Blocks%20in%20WikiText
Did you drag and drop it?
The sort order though...have you changed it? Can you remember anything you 
did around the time the problem started?

Birthe

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[tw5] Re: How do I pass a variable to a Javascript macro? (or don't I?)

2020-05-22 Thread leeand00

Okay, so the $()$ syntax can only be used within a macro...gotcha;  Thanks!

On Friday, 22 May 2020 19:31:07 UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:
>
> The substitution forms (e.g. $variable$, $(external variable)$ only work 
> INSIDE a macro. So you have to 
> put 
>
> >><
> >"$(bgcol)$"
>
> inside its own macro like:
>
> \define misnamedmacro() 
> >><
> >"$(bgcol)$"
> \end
>
> and call it:
>
>
> <$set name=bgcol value="7">
> <>
> 
>
> Of course, there could be other things inside the JS macro that are wrong, 
> but that's what's wrong out of the box.
>
> Good luck!
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-7, leeand00 wrote:
>>
>> Hi, 
>>
>> I'm trying to pass a value to a variable to a javascript macro I'm trying 
>> to write; the result keeps coming back NaN, and I belive it is because I am 
>> passing "$(bgcol)$" instead of "7" for v:
>>
>> Is there some other way I ought to be passing this argument? 
>>
>> <$set name=bgcol value="7">
>> >><
>> >"$(bgcol)$"
>> 
>>
>> /*\
>> title: $:/core/modules/macros/nowandthen.js
>> type: application/javascript
>> module-type: macro
>>
>> Macro to return a formatted version of the current time
>>
>> \*/
>> (function(){
>>
>> /*jslint node: true, browser: true */
>> /*global $tw: false */
>> "use strict";
>>
>> /*
>> Information about this macro
>> */
>>
>> exports.name = "nowandthen";
>>
>> exports.params = [
>>  {name: "m"},
>>  {name: "v"}
>> ];
>>
>> /*
>> Run the macro
>>
>> m: is the highest value in the data set.
>> v: is the value to render.
>> */
>> exports.run = function(m, v) {
>>
>>  let out = "background-color: rgb(";
>>
>> try {
>>  m = parseFloat(m);
>>  v = parseFloat(v);
>>  console.log("m:" + typeof(m));
>>  console.log("m:" + m);
>>  console.log("v:" + typeof(v));
>>  console.log("v:" + v);
>>  let huh = v/m;
>>  let where = huh*255;
>>  console.log("huh: " + typeof(huh));
>>  console.log("huh: " + huh);
>>  console.log("where: " + typeof(where));
>>  console.log("where: " + where);
>>
>> } catch(e) {
>>  console.log("error: " + e);
>> }
>>
>>  for(var i =0; i < 3; i++) {
>>  let wha = ((parseFloat(v)/parseFloat(m)));
>>  out = out + (Math.floor(wha*255)) + ", ";
>>  }
>>
>>  out = (out.slice(0,-2)) + ");color:rgb(150,150,150);";
>>
>>  return out;
>> };
>>
>> })();
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Recent tab sorting wrong, burying some recent tiddlers, major glitch!

Dear all,

One of my tiddlyspot wikis has developed a bizarrely mis-ordered "Recents" 
tab. 

At first, I thought the wiki save process was actually "dropping" tiddlers, 
since they dropped out of view on the Recents tab. 

But then I found today that those tiddlers were somehow tucked way down 
beneath all of the stock tiddlers. I am finding May 2020 tiddlers sorting 
as if they're prior to 2014 (tiny screenshot attached below).

There's gotta be an explanation, but surely such a basic thing should not 
be breakable, right?

Perhaps this is specific to tiddlyspot or to some plugin interference, but 
how do we begin to find out?

-Springer

[image: timeline_sorted_wrong.jpg]

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Re: [tw5] Re: Stroll updates

2020-05-22 Thread Osin

Hi David,
This looks great. I have used TiddlyWiki on and off and I've been looking 
into giving it a more serious shot, after hearing about Roam and diving 
back into note taking in general. What you built here looks like it might 
fit the bill, as long as I come up with a system.

Because Scroll is fairly new, say you hypothetically stopped developing it 
alongside the official TW releases, would there's a way to "revert" it to 
the official TW? I see it's possible to add it to an existing TW and it's 
possible to uninstall TiddlyBlink, but is it possible to easily uninstall 
Stroll or disassociate it from TW should there be a need?

Thanks

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[tw5] Re: How do I pass a variable to a Javascript macro? (or don't I?)

The substitution forms (e.g. $variable$, $(external variable)$ only work 
INSIDE a macro. So you have to 
put 

>><
>"$(bgcol)$"

inside its own macro like:

\define misnamedmacro() 
>><
>"$(bgcol)$"
\end

and call it:


<$set name=bgcol value="7">
<>


Of course, there could be other things inside the JS macro that are wrong, 
but that's what's wrong out of the box.

Good luck!




On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-7, leeand00 wrote:
>
> Hi, 
>
> I'm trying to pass a value to a variable to a javascript macro I'm trying 
> to write; the result keeps coming back NaN, and I belive it is because I am 
> passing "$(bgcol)$" instead of "7" for v:
>
> Is there some other way I ought to be passing this argument? 
>
> <$set name=bgcol value="7">
> >><
> >"$(bgcol)$"
> 
>
> /*\
> title: $:/core/modules/macros/nowandthen.js
> type: application/javascript
> module-type: macro
>
> Macro to return a formatted version of the current time
>
> \*/
> (function(){
>
> /*jslint node: true, browser: true */
> /*global $tw: false */
> "use strict";
>
> /*
> Information about this macro
> */
>
> exports.name = "nowandthen";
>
> exports.params = [
>  {name: "m"},
>  {name: "v"}
> ];
>
> /*
> Run the macro
>
> m: is the highest value in the data set.
> v: is the value to render.
> */
> exports.run = function(m, v) {
>
>  let out = "background-color: rgb(";
>
> try {
>  m = parseFloat(m);
>  v = parseFloat(v);
>  console.log("m:" + typeof(m));
>  console.log("m:" + m);
>  console.log("v:" + typeof(v));
>  console.log("v:" + v);
>  let huh = v/m;
>  let where = huh*255;
>  console.log("huh: " + typeof(huh));
>  console.log("huh: " + huh);
>  console.log("where: " + typeof(where));
>  console.log("where: " + where);
>
> } catch(e) {
>  console.log("error: " + e);
> }
>
>  for(var i =0; i < 3; i++) {
>  let wha = ((parseFloat(v)/parseFloat(m)));
>  out = out + (Math.floor(wha*255)) + ", ";
>  }
>
>  out = (out.slice(0,-2)) + ");color:rgb(150,150,150);";
>
>  return out;
> };
>
> })();
>
>
>

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[tw5] How do I pass a variable to a Javascript macro? (or don't I?)

2020-05-22 Thread leeand00

Hi, 

I'm trying to pass a value to a variable to a javascript macro I'm trying 
to write; the result keeps coming back NaN, and I belive it is because I am 
passing "$(bgcol)$" instead of "7" for v:

Is there some other way I ought to be passing this argument? 

<$set name=bgcol value="7">
>><
>"$(bgcol)$"


/*\
title: $:/core/modules/macros/nowandthen.js
type: application/javascript
module-type: macro

Macro to return a formatted version of the current time

\*/
(function(){

/*jslint node: true, browser: true */
/*global $tw: false */
"use strict";

/*
Information about this macro
*/

exports.name = "nowandthen";

exports.params = [
 {name: "m"},
 {name: "v"}
];

/*
Run the macro

m: is the highest value in the data set.
v: is the value to render.
*/
exports.run = function(m, v) {

 let out = "background-color: rgb(";

try {
 m = parseFloat(m);
 v = parseFloat(v);
 console.log("m:" + typeof(m));
 console.log("m:" + m);
 console.log("v:" + typeof(v));
 console.log("v:" + v);
 let huh = v/m;
 let where = huh*255;
 console.log("huh: " + typeof(huh));
 console.log("huh: " + huh);
 console.log("where: " + typeof(where));
 console.log("where: " + where);

} catch(e) {
 console.log("error: " + e);
}

 for(var i =0; i < 3; i++) {
 let wha = ((parseFloat(v)/parseFloat(m)));
 out = out + (Math.floor(wha*255)) + ", ";
 }

 out = (out.slice(0,-2)) + ");color:rgb(150,150,150);";

 return out;
};

})();


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[tw5] Re: Personal News

2020-05-22 Thread leeand00

My sister and brother in law had it as well; please get well!

On Monday, 18 May 2020 04:59:36 UTC-4, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I should let you all know that I have somehow contracted Covid-19, despite 
> being in careful lockdown for two months. I haven't been tested (this is 
> the UK), but the symptoms have gradually become unmistakeable over the last 
> week and a half. It's all tolerable at the moment, and I remain hopeful 
> that this is a mild dose of the disease. My doctor says that I can be 
> cautiously optimistic that I've had symptoms for so long without developing 
> the really dangerous ones. I've been told unequivocally to rest, and so 
> I'll likely be out of action for at least a few days. 
>
> I'm very happy there's so much activity on the group just now, but 
> naturally frustrated not to be able to keep up. Hopefully I'll be back 
> soon, and in the meantime please take care of yourselves and each other, 
>
> Best wishes 
>
> Jeremy 
>
> -- 
> Jeremy Ruston 
> jer...@jermolene.com  
> https://jermolene.com

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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Search for Dummies

Kevin

Reading through the filter operators and examples given on tiddlywiki just to 
familiarise not memorize would be a good first step, you can then return to 
search for help when you need it.

I for one was curious as to everything possible and worked my way through 
tiddlywiki.com experimenting with simple examples of different operators. It 
tends to make you think and discover new way to look at things even in every 
day life. As well as arm you to ask the better questions when you ask for help. 
Just remember to tell us what you want before telling us how you tried to do it.

Regards
Tony  

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[tw5] Re: TW Project Plugin question

As I said, that's also what I get for you:

but not for Nicolas:


On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 11:28:05 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> So no misunderstanding, this is the feature I'm talking about. This is 
> what I get when clicking for you:
>
> [image: Annotation 2020-05-22 141236.png]
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: TW Project Plugin question

So no misunderstanding, this is the feature I'm talking about. This is what 
I get when clicking for you:

[image: Annotation 2020-05-22 141236.png]
<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Any Tiddlymap guru?

Thanks for the advise will do

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[tw5] Re: TW Project Plugin question

Hmm, good idea but I am not offered this option in Nicolas' case but I do 
see it here, i.e. next to your name. Is this an option that needs to be 
enabled by the author? Anyway, let's hope Nico replies to my post in his 
own thread. Cheers
W

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>
> Willy, if you found Nicolas thread you could perhaps try to contact hm by 
> clicking at the very rightmost button in a post of his and choose "Reply 
> privately to the author". 
>
> <:-)
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[tw5] Re: More redesigning TW. GettingStarted should be revamped.

2020-05-22 Thread PMario

On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 3:12:22 PM UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
...

> I could see us adding plugins to the library that installs a few tiddlers 
> and links to a video to achieve similar ease of use solutions for new 
> users. No need to learn and collect the plugins install and configure or 
> aquire an edition.


I was thinking about helper-bundles. 

They are designed to be deleted on a per tiddler base. ... So once a user 
doesn't need the "helper bundle" anymore, they can remove them piece by 
piece. ... "protected" stuff can be a plugin within the bundle. 

-m

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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Search for Dummies

If you use it every day then it will become second nature.

If you only need a special search every few months, then you could just pop 
in to the group here or on reddit and ask your question.

Don't forget to save your search in a tiddler if it's something that you 
need periodically. That way you leverage TW to help you use TW.

Good luck!

On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 11:50:13 AM UTC-7, Kevin Kleinfelter wrote:
>
> Thank you.  Has anyone put together a plugin which is more suitable for 
> non-geeks or geeks who only use complex search once in a while?  
>
> I could learn how to use filter expressions, and I could probably retain 
> that information for a few days.  Then I'd come back and try and use it 3 
> months later and go, "Oh.  Yeah.  There *is* a way to search for strings 
> and tags, but it just isn't worth the effort to re-learn filter syntax."
>
> It's not a matter of lazy.  There are only so many things I can remain 
> "current" on at a given time, and I have to prioritize.
>
> On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 2:12 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>>- Search for a tiddler with "word1 word2" (as a string) and tagged 
>>>"fubar".
>>>
>>> Filter :
>>
>> [regexp:text[word1 word2]tag[foobar]]
>>
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[tw5] Re: TW Project Plugin question

Willy, if you found Nicolas thread you could perhaps try to contact hm by 
clicking at the very rightmost button in a post of his and choose "Reply 
privately to the author". 

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Any Tiddlymap guru?

2020-05-22 Thread Jon

Probably best raising it over here: 
https://github.com/felixhayashi/TW5-TiddlyMap/issues

On Friday, 22 May 2020 19:32:31 UTC+1, Tony K wrote:
>
> I'm experimenting with Tiddlymap and I want to fade out (not hide) all 
> other items in the map when I hover/highlight a node or edge so I can 
> clearly see the relation I'm looking at
>
> Can this be done? 
>

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[tw5] Re: [plugin] Project-Manager & Notebook theme updates

Hi Nicolas

wow, thank you very much, I did not know this was even possible! Very 
refined and useful.

There is one thing that I would appreciate to see changed. Currently, the 
"todo" tag is of no use, it is enough for a tiddler to be tagged with the 
name of a project for it to appear as a todo item under that project, 
regardless of the fact if the "todo" tag was also present or not. As a 
consequence, even tiddlers that serve any other purpose (e.g. pure notes 
without tasks) will all appear as todo items and clutter the otherwise very 
clean design. 
Could this be changed so that only tiddlers with the "todo" tag are treated 
as tasks? It seems that this is what was intended to be its purpose.

Thanks

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 10:45:32 AM UTC+2, Nicolas Petton wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, 
>
> I just uploaded an update of my Project Manager plugin, you can find it 
> here: 
>
> https://nicolas.petton.fr/tw/project-manager.html 
>
> I also rewrote the Notebook theme & color palette from scratch, as I was 
> not quite satisfied with it (it's far from being perfect though, the 
> sidebar still needs quite some work). 
>
> The Notebook theme has the following purposes: 
>
> - Make my wiki as uncluttered as possible (The UI chrome used various 
>   shades a grey to help focus on the content) 
> - Prominent search input always at the top of the page 
> - Focus less on tiddlers (their boundaries), and more on the content 
> itself 
> - Feel at home on mobile, with a dedicated mobile toolbar & sidebar 
>
> Here's a screenshot on desktop: 
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Search for Dummies

2020-05-22 Thread Kevin Kleinfelter

Thank you.  Has anyone put together a plugin which is more suitable for
non-geeks or geeks who only use complex search once in a while?

I could learn how to use filter expressions, and I could probably retain
that information for a few days.  Then I'd come back and try and use it 3
months later and go, "Oh.  Yeah.  There *is* a way to search for strings
and tags, but it just isn't worth the effort to re-learn filter syntax."

It's not a matter of lazy.  There are only so many things I can remain
"current" on at a given time, and I have to prioritize.

On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 2:12 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
>>
>>- Search for a tiddler with "word1 word2" (as a string) and tagged
>>"fubar".
>>
>> Filter :
>
> [regexp:text[word1 word2]tag[foobar]]
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[tw5] Re: TW Project Plugin question

Dear Tony K and Mat

thanks a lot for your thoughtful replies. After tinkering some (ahem: a 
lot), I know that I could realise a filter along the lines of what Mat 
suggested, one for each project. It is not precisely what I was after, so I 
would like to make this my plan B, the project plugin by Nicolas has many 
more options, a clean design and is a lot more open to changes in the 
structure of projects. Obviously a lot of thought has gone into its 
creation, and that level of refinement would be very hard or impossible for 
me to achieve. 
I found Nicolas' thread in which he announced the release of his plugin and 
I will try to highlight that it would be useful to allow subordinate notes 
under the project's name that are not automatically treated as tasks, which 
is what I was trying to say in my first post and obviously failed.

Thanks nonetheless, Mat, for teaching me something about filters!

On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 11:44:48 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> Thing is, as Tony K notes, it is someones own hack so it would take effort 
> to dig around. Someone elses coding structure, possibly including "clever 
> solutions" or even bugs. I suggest that you do actually test things. If I 
> understand you right, you want both tag[todo]tag[gardening]... in 
> the/some filter. It seems like a rather neat use case to get to know how TW 
> works.
>
> Or you just create your own project manager. It is not that difficult. To 
> list all tiddlers that are tagged both "todo" and with, say, all projects 
> that are tagged "active", you could do:
>
> <$list filter="[tag[project]tag[active]]" variable=project>
> <$list filter="[tagtag[todo]]">
>
> 
> 
>
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Any Tiddlymap guru?

I'm experimenting with Tiddlymap and I want to fade out (not hide) all other 
items in the map when I hover/highlight a node or edge so I can clearly see the 
relation I'm looking at

Can this be done? 

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Search for Dummies


>
>
>
>- Search for a tiddler with "word1 word2" (as a string) and tagged 
>"fubar".
>
> Filter :

[regexp:text[word1 word2]tag[foobar]]

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[tw5] Tiddlywiki Search for Dummies

2020-05-22 Thread Kevin Kleinfelter

Is there a guide for how to do simple searching in Tiddlywiki?  Something 
like:

   - To search for a tiddler whose body contains all 3 words: word1 word2 
   word3
   - To search for a string, wrap *word1 word2 word3* with quote marks
   - To search for a tiddler tagged as *special* containing the string *very 
   unusual*, use x

I see:

   - To search for a tiddler which contains *word1 ÂND word2 AND word3* put 
   this in the search box: word1 word2 word3
   - To search for anything else, learn filter syntax and filter operators

I've spent about 30 minutes and I still can't figure out how to:

   - Search for a tiddler with "word1 word2" (as a string) and tagged 
   "fubar".

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[tw5] tekan plugin and "get more plugins" conflict, fyi

Not finding contact info for TesseRact, and in case this reflects a bigger 
problem:

With the tekan plugin enabled, somehow the "close" button disappears from 
the modal for "Get more plugins" -- despite kanban view not even being 
active. So the wiki is effectively hung. Happens on 5.1.22, and I'm not 
able to troubleshoot now whether it affects other configs, or other modals.

(Sometimes a workaround of installing a plugin to get the "save and reload" 
banner might work, but installing a plugin in order to be able to save 
one's work sounds pretty dodgy!)

I'm not actively using tekan, so I've simply disabled. Just FYI.

-Springer

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[tw5] Re: TiddlySmile ...

TT,

Thank you...I see them now. Do not want to miss out on important stuff ;-D


Birthe

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[tw5] Re: TiddlySmile ...

Yep. One map. One slogan.

If still missing in an hour tell me.

Sometimes GG images don't get loaded.

TT

On Friday, 22 May 2020 17:50:47 UTC+2, Birthe C wrote:
>
> TT and April,
>
> Are we supposed to be able to see the maps?
>
>
> Birthe
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlySmile ...

TT and April,

Are we supposed to be able to see the maps?


Birthe

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[tw5] Re: Set value of a variable conditionally

Try ...

<$vars variable="12345678">
<$set filter="[length[]compare:number:gteq[9]else[short]] [
length[]compare:number:lt[9]else[long]] +[sort[]last[]]" 
 name=type select=0 >
<>





On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 9:19:59 AM UTC-7, Tony K wrote:
>
> I can't figure out how to set the value of a variable based on a specific 
> condition so, instead, I am writing the code twice
>
> e.g.
>
> <$list filter="[length[]match[9]]">
> <$set name="type" value="short">
> {full code here}
> 
> 
> <$list filter="[length[]!match[9]]">
> <$set name="type" value="long">
> {full code here}
> 
> 
>
> this is not really efficient. 
>
> I tried conditionally inserting the first line of the "$set" but it didnt' 
> work (as follows) even thought logically it should 
>
> <$list filter="[length[]match[9]]">
> <$set name="type" value="short">
> 
>
> <$list filter="[length[]!match[9]]">
> <$set name="type" value="long">
> 
>
> {full code here}
> 
>
>
> I am sure there is some kind of a workaround for this
>
> thanks for shedding any light 
>

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[tw5] Re: Stroll updates

t,

Have you looked at tiddlymap demo site  There are 
several examples, may be some of them could help you.


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Re: [tw5] Re: Stroll updates

2020-05-22 Thread David Gifford

Hi Travis,

Sorry I can't be of much help. TiddlyMap is not a native part of Stroll,
and I am not very familiar with it. Hopefully the maker of that plugin can
respond here to help you.


On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 9:52 AM t  wrote:

> Hey David! Thank you so much for your work, Stroll has truly been a
> pleasure to move my notes and life into.
>
> I have a question about possible functionalities of the map, if you don't
> mind me asking. Proactive disclaimer: I get easily overwhelmed with code,
> so forgive me if some of what I'm asking is obvious or seems downright
> stupid
>
> Do you know of any way it's possible to modify TiddlyMap so as to show all
> notes and their connections to one another, ala Obsidian and Roam? And/or
> show connections based on tags? Live View with the connections bumped to
> unlimited is close, but not quite there.
>
>
> On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 3:56:44 PM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> 5-21, part two
>>
>> Okay, I messed up. I got too eager and pushed changes before sufficiently
>> testing the three files. I *think* it is all fixed now:
>>
>> 1) The new edittemplate section had the bigeditarea tag, but not the
>> stroll tag. Now it has both, and dragging the $:/giffmex/stroll tag should
>> also add the new edittemplate feature.
>>
>> 2) I did not update the goodies page sufficiently. I have now added and
>> changed the tags necessary for them to work with the updated tags for
>> Stroll. That is, $:/giffmex/subrefs, $:/giffmex/giffcolors,
>> $:/giffmex/tbtabs, $:/giffmex/ideastew, and updated the tag pills in the
>> instruction pages, and the tiddlers that depended on those tags. I also
>> deleted unnecessary tags from plugins and my tiddlers so that adding the
>> goodies will not add non-system tags to the user's tag list.
>>
>> Thank you all for your patience and feedback!
>>
>> On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 10:34:46 AM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone
>>>
>>> 5-16:
>>>
>>> I added a Troubleshooting page to the Stroll tutorial tabs:
>>> https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html
>>>
>>> Also see the recent additions to the Goodies for Stroll page:
>>> https://giffmex.org/stroll/goodies.html
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Stroll updates

2020-05-22 Thread t

Hey David! Thank you so much for your work, Stroll has truly been a 
pleasure to move my notes and life into.

I have a question about possible functionalities of the map, if you don't 
mind me asking. Proactive disclaimer: I get easily overwhelmed with code, 
so forgive me if some of what I'm asking is obvious or seems downright 
stupid

Do you know of any way it's possible to modify TiddlyMap so as to show all 
notes and their connections to one another, ala Obsidian and Roam? And/or 
show connections based on tags? Live View with the connections bumped to 
unlimited is close, but not quite there.


On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 3:56:44 PM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>
> 5-21, part two
>
> Okay, I messed up. I got too eager and pushed changes before sufficiently 
> testing the three files. I *think* it is all fixed now:
>
> 1) The new edittemplate section had the bigeditarea tag, but not the 
> stroll tag. Now it has both, and dragging the $:/giffmex/stroll tag should 
> also add the new edittemplate feature.
>
> 2) I did not update the goodies page sufficiently. I have now added and 
> changed the tags necessary for them to work with the updated tags for 
> Stroll. That is, $:/giffmex/subrefs, $:/giffmex/giffcolors, 
> $:/giffmex/tbtabs, $:/giffmex/ideastew, and updated the tag pills in the 
> instruction pages, and the tiddlers that depended on those tags. I also 
> deleted unnecessary tags from plugins and my tiddlers so that adding the 
> goodies will not add non-system tags to the user's tag list.
>
> Thank you all for your patience and feedback!
>
> On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 10:34:46 AM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> 5-16:
>>
>> I added a Troubleshooting page to the Stroll tutorial tabs: 
>> https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html
>>
>> Also see the recent additions to the Goodies for Stroll page: 
>> https://giffmex.org/stroll/goodies.html
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Announcement: New, temporary, GGroup to discuss TW UI redesign

Mat wrote:
>
>
> But I'm curious, why was it too much of a hassle to simply click the blue 
> button? 
>

Simply because the "advert" just gave a group address. No one expected a 
"jumps".

TT


It does require me to accept the request once-and-for-all but that's it. 
>
> I guess, I'll let it be totally open until someone abuses it and then I'll 
> hope it's possible to revert without any problem.
>
> Anyway, hoping for concrete design ideas from you and everyone now - lots 
> of illustrations and practical stuff that can actually be implemented ;-)
>
> <:-)
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[tw5] Re: Announcement: New, temporary, GGroup to discuss TW UI redesign

OK OK, I changed also the "Join the group" to be "anyone on the web" 
without even asking for access.

But I'm curious, why was it too much of a hassle to simply click the blue 
button? It does require me to accept the request once-and-for-all but 
that's it. 

I guess, I'll let it be totally open until someone abuses it and then I'll 
hope it's possible to revert without any problem.

Anyway, hoping for concrete design ideas from you and everyone now - lots 
of illustrations and practical stuff that can actually be implemented ;-)

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Re: How to publish a plugin?

Roel,

Actually Tinka description and link can be found on tiddlywiki.com 
 But it is always 
easier if you know that you are searching for ;-)

Riz,
I know it does not help us now, but when Tinka was first created Andreas 
Hahn had a wiki page collecting tips for tiddlywiki - some of David 
Giffords creations of the time tutorials and one for Tinka.
Tutorials are always good. But the biggest trouble using Tinka is to get 
started as I feel it helps us while creating  at least to some degree.

The underlying question becomes what is the ideal criteria to select 
> tutorials to the Tiddlywiki site? There are lot of third party plugins and 
> it is unfair to accept tutorial about one and not about other. 
>
> It would not be fair and lots of tutorials are needed for Tiddlywiki.com.


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[tw5] Re: [Plugin] TWCrossLinks

Thread bumb for v.0.1.20 update

I actually love this update since it brings a feature I've been wanting to 
add for a long time which is "The empty tabs are now hidden" 

Hope you enjoy

On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 7:31:44 PM UTC+3, Tony K wrote:
>
> Update to *v0.1.20*
>
> version change log:
>
> 2020-05-22: v0.1.20
>
>- Empty tabs are not now hidden no need to look at empty spaces
>- Transclusion now works for keywords and tags, full Tiddler is 
>transcluded
>- Change in the transclusion css to match the selected theme
>
> full change log *here* 
> 
>
> Demo site https://akhater.github.io/drift
>
> Install it by Drag n Drop from https://akhater.github.io/drift or 
> download it directly from Github 
> 
>
> Cheers
> 
> As promised in my Drift thread 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/QgPYL0JhxcY I packaged 
> the "Cross Links" part of Drift as a separate plugin that you can download 
> and install from 
> https://github.com/akhater/TWCrossLinks
>
> Quick Feature links
>
>- Adds a footer in the bottom of every Tiddler showing the keywords of 
>that tiddler (if present)
>- Adds a footer in the bottom of every Tiddler showing all different 
>types of inbound links to that tiddler (if present) 
>   - Backlinks 
>   - Tags 
>   - Keywords 
>   - Freelinks
>- Footer won't show unless existing
>
> For more info and a working demo please check 
> https://akhater.github.io/drift
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: How to publish a plugin?

2020-05-22 Thread Rizwan Ishak

Tinka is a very important part of the Tiddlywiki development flow. However
it is also a third party plugin. If someone hypothetically writes a
tutorial, will it be accepted to tiddlywiki.com? The underlying question
becomes what is the ideal criteria to select tutorials to the Tiddlywiki
site? There are lot of third party plugins and it is unfair to accept
tutorial about one and not about other.

On Fri, 22 May 2020, 19:01 Roel Vanhout,  wrote:

> Thanks all. The pointer to the Tinka plugin was especially useful.
> Although it's maybe telling that I hadn't found that myself, despite
> literally hours of googling, including (in the beginning) explicitly for
> 'tiddlywiki plugin tutorial' and variations on that. And if it's linked to
> from tiddlywiki.com somewhere, I didn't find it. I do have some thoughts
> (both as a software developer and as a fresh user who's trying to do some
> what I'd think would be at worst medium hard customizations to fit a
> specific workflow) on overall usability and documentation, but it seems
> from the copious other messages on this list that this is actively being
> addressed and that my notes wouldn't really add any value. And I don't want
> to come across as ungrateful either - I understand how things got to where
> they are, but I have good hopes that Tiddlywiki will be a great tool that
> will do what I want much better than all the other tools I have tried over
> the years and that some temporary frustration will soon be forgotten. So
> thanks to the developers (and I don't mean that in a damning with faint
> praise way :) ).
>
> Anyway, I have my plugin now working and polished enough to be quite
> satisfactory for my own use. If anyone is interested in trying it, it can
> be downloaded from
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fsrk9ltg3z867x1/%24%20_plugins_rvanhout_videoelement.tid?dl=0
> . There is a readme in there that explains how to use the macro it
> provides, but there is also a button in the editor toolbar to insert a stub
> macro invocation, much more convenient.
>
> (for completeness and for those who hadn't been reading along - what this
> plugin does is it provides a way to include videos in your tiddlers,
> collapsed by default, and it lets you set a starting time stamp in the
> video; so if you're analyzing video(s), you can keep notes on what happens
> at various points in time in the video)
>
> cheers
>
> Roel
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 10:01 AM Joshua Fontany 
> wrote:
>
>> I would really love to test such functionality. Tinka is a good option.
>> Here is the official documents on how to pack a plugin-tiddler in the
>> browser. Once packed, it appears a a plugin in the wiki and can be exported
>> just like any other tiddler.
>>
>>
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/dev/static/How%2520to%2520create%2520plugins%2520in%2520the%2520browser.html
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Joshua F
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 6:24:23 AM UTC-7, Roel Vanhout wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've gotten my plugin, to show videos in tiddlywiki with extra
>>> functionality so that I can use tiddlywiki for video analysis and
>>> annotation, working. I've done this by putting my code and assets in
>>> tiddlers in a standalone tiddlywiki, which I view through 'timimi' (I used
>>> to rename my tiddlywikis to .hta and run them self contained, but I needed
>>> a debugger and dom inspector to develop my plugin, and now I've grown to
>>> like them in a browser tab).
>>>
>>> All information I can find on plugins is when you develop them with a
>>> node server. I'm wondering if someone can point me to a way to 'export' the
>>> relevant tiddlers in a way so that I can 'import' them into other
>>> tiddlywikis. I'm hoping I don't have to manually copy and paste the
>>> relevant tiddlers?
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>> roel
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: How to publish a plugin?

2020-05-22 Thread Roel Vanhout

Thanks all. The pointer to the Tinka plugin was especially useful. Although
it's maybe telling that I hadn't found that myself, despite literally hours
of googling, including (in the beginning) explicitly for 'tiddlywiki plugin
tutorial' and variations on that. And if it's linked to from tiddlywiki.com
somewhere, I didn't find it. I do have some thoughts (both as a software
developer and as a fresh user who's trying to do some what I'd think would
be at worst medium hard customizations to fit a specific workflow) on
overall usability and documentation, but it seems from the copious other
messages on this list that this is actively being addressed and that my
notes wouldn't really add any value. And I don't want to come across as
ungrateful either - I understand how things got to where they are, but I
have good hopes that Tiddlywiki will be a great tool that will do what I
want much better than all the other tools I have tried over the years and
that some temporary frustration will soon be forgotten. So thanks to the
developers (and I don't mean that in a damning with faint praise way :) ).

Anyway, I have my plugin now working and polished enough to be quite
satisfactory for my own use. If anyone is interested in trying it, it can
be downloaded from
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fsrk9ltg3z867x1/%24%20_plugins_rvanhout_videoelement.tid?dl=0
. There is a readme in there that explains how to use the macro it
provides, but there is also a button in the editor toolbar to insert a stub
macro invocation, much more convenient.

(for completeness and for those who hadn't been reading along - what this
plugin does is it provides a way to include videos in your tiddlers,
collapsed by default, and it lets you set a starting time stamp in the
video; so if you're analyzing video(s), you can keep notes on what happens
at various points in time in the video)

cheers

Roel

On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 10:01 AM Joshua Fontany 
wrote:

> I would really love to test such functionality. Tinka is a good option.
> Here is the official documents on how to pack a plugin-tiddler in the
> browser. Once packed, it appears a a plugin in the wiki and can be exported
> just like any other tiddler.
>
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/dev/static/How%2520to%2520create%2520plugins%2520in%2520the%2520browser.html
>
> Best,
>
> Joshua F
>
> On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 6:24:23 AM UTC-7, Roel Vanhout wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've gotten my plugin, to show videos in tiddlywiki with extra
>> functionality so that I can use tiddlywiki for video analysis and
>> annotation, working. I've done this by putting my code and assets in
>> tiddlers in a standalone tiddlywiki, which I view through 'timimi' (I used
>> to rename my tiddlywikis to .hta and run them self contained, but I needed
>> a debugger and dom inspector to develop my plugin, and now I've grown to
>> like them in a browser tab).
>>
>> All information I can find on plugins is when you develop them with a
>> node server. I'm wondering if someone can point me to a way to 'export' the
>> relevant tiddlers in a way so that I can 'import' them into other
>> tiddlywikis. I'm hoping I don't have to manually copy and paste the
>> relevant tiddlers?
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> roel
>>
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[tw5] Re: Announcement: New, temporary, GGroup to discuss TW UI redesign

Mat

There are several levels of access you, moderator, can set. Right NOW I see 
...

[image: Annotation 2020-05-22 150421.jpg]


THAT requires you to explicitly accept axe murders like me.

I find  easier access as bydrides accept me easier ...

[image: Annotation 2020-05-22 150640.jpg]


Point is there are a LOT of permission levels YOU control now. Those are 
only two :-)

Happy moderating, x.

T$



On Friday, 22 May 2020 14:39:14 UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> I just tested to post from an arbitrary email. It worked without a problem.
>
> Under "Basic permissions" I get this:
>
> [image: Annotation 2020-05-22 141236.png]
>
>
> As you can see, it says "Anyone on the web" can post. Are you requesting 
> that "Anyone on the web" can *join *without even asking? Actually... what 
> does even "join" mean? I do see a point in having admin privileges to ban 
> someone if some extreme case would turn up such as we have, indeed, seen on 
> this board a few times where someone from the outside spams. I would not 
> ban anyone who is a member on this board even if they said I was a total 
> idiot or insulted my mother.  
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: After upgrade my fixed position edit toolbar dissappears when scrolling through tiddlers only appearing in the gaps between tiddlers

Ton Gerner has a nice table with the Z-indexes in use in Tiddlywiki. Z-index 



Birthe

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[tw5] Re: More redesigning TW. GettingStarted should be revamped.

Mario

Good idea video and an extended getting started.

I could see us adding plugins to the library that installs a few tiddlers and 
links to a video to achieve similar ease of use solutions for new users. No 
need to learn and collect the plugins install and configure or aquire an 
edition.

Perhaps a new plugin type tutorials, that result in working examples like yours.

Nicese work Mario.

Regards
Tony 

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[tw5] After upgrade my fixed position edit toolbar dissappears when scrolling through tiddlers only appearing in the gaps between tiddlers

Perhaps you need to set the z-index on the toolbar so it uses the correct 
hight. Sometime ago someone shared the z-index this for multiple elements in 
tiddlywiki. My guess is 500 or 1000

Regards
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[tw5] Re: Please help with a "complex" then else filter

Joshua

I believe saqs form is nessasary because it must be a seperat run to operate on 
all tiddlers resulting from all previous runs not only the
 [is[system]here]

Do tell me so if I got it wrong.

Regards
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[tw5] Re: Announcement: New, temporary, GGroup to discuss TW UI redesign

I just tested to post from an arbitrary email. It worked without a problem.

Under "Basic permissions" I get this:

[image: Annotation 2020-05-22 141236.png]


As you can see, it says "Anyone on the web" can post. Are you requesting 
that "Anyone on the web" can *join *without even asking? Actually... what 
does even "join" mean? I do see a point in having admin privileges to ban 
someone if some extreme case would turn up such as we have, indeed, seen on 
this board a few times where someone from the outside spams. I would not 
ban anyone who is a member on this board even if they said I was a total 
idiot or insulted my mother.  

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

Saw

That's fine, I suppose I was happy to publish my reoccurring tasks algorithm 
again.

Never the less I would love to see you implement this. If you do so I would 
hope it included the ability to provide a template to new tiddlers, but that 
may be tricky.

 I would also be keen if the listed items, the to do list items you click drag 
and drop also permitted additions to the list template. After all they are just 
tiddlers. What I mean is most list items in tiddlywiki eventually use the or a 
listitem template. Perhaps this is where you may make changes to support this 
method but is also a great place to extend features. For example one could add 
an open in new window button alongside the listed item, or click to view 
contents of the item.

What you illustrated is the closest I have seen to a real outliner which is a 
powerful way to capture structured and unstructured ideas and information. I 
would like to see it extensible or hackable because it can be an engine that 
drives alot.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: More redesigning TW. GettingStarted should be revamped.

2020-05-22 Thread PMario

Hi, 

Have a look at this PR: https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/4460 
... 

Demo Video: https://youtu.be/rhYgfbs_rCA
Demo Wiki: http://4460.tiddlyspot.com/

What do you think?

have fun!
mario


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[tw5] Re: Query: What is Markdown? Which implementation do you use?

2020-05-22 Thread PMario

On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 1:50:26 PM UTC+2, TiddlyTweeter wrote:

 WHICH end-versions if Markdown are we needing to support? 
>

Only 2

CommonMark and variant=tiddlywiki ... Yes the goal is to "rule the world". 

If we have enough users and IF we register a variant, which probably is a 
tough undertaking in its own, others may support it, if their users demand 
it. 

-mario

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[tw5] Re: Announcement: New, temporary, GGroup to discuss TW UI redesign

Under Group Settings ...

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TT 



On Friday, 22 May 2020 13:29:08 UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> hello ADMINISTRATOR Mat. was your intent to force users to have to 
>> sign-up to post?
>>
>
> That's not intentional but I'm unsure how to change it. I did look around 
> but will look into it again later today.
>
> <:-)
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[tw5] Re: Announcement: New, temporary, GGroup to discuss TW UI redesign



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OK These are actually the settings I made when setting it up. And the only 
relevant setting for this does permit "anyone on the web to post". I don't 
know what that means if it doesn't work.

But I don't think it is a matter of "signing up" - I think that if you 
click the button I, as an admin, will get a request where I accept or deny 
membership. I don't think there is any form of registration. How does it 
work on this board - can anyone post? I would not be surprised if it is not 
possible to post without first being granted access to do so because of 
spam.

<:-)

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[tw5] After upgrade my fixed position edit toolbar dissappears when scrolling through tiddlers only appearing in the gaps between tiddlers

2020-05-22 Thread Sapphireslinger

This worked! (for part of the problem) 

.tc-page-controls { position:fixed; top: -15px; left:0; right:0; padding-left: 
3px; background-color: white; }

.tc-tiddler-edit-title { position:fixed; top:20px; left:0; right:0; 
padding-left: 3px; background-color: pink; }

BUT Page Toolbar still disappears under tiddlers being scrolled over it.

Strangely the Edit Toolbar seems to have been cured of it.

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[tw5] After upgrade my fixed position edit toolbar dissappears when scrolling through tiddlers only appearing in the gaps between tiddlers

2020-05-22 Thread Sapphireslinger

This worked:

.tc-page-controls { position:fixed; top: -15px; left:0; right:0; padding-left: 
3px; background-color: white; }

.tc-tiddler-edit-title { position:fixed; top:20px; left:0; right:0; 
padding-left: 3px; background-color: pink; }

BUT Page Toolbar still disappears under tiddlers being scrolled over it. 

Strangely the Edit Toolbar seems to have been cured of it. 

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Re: [tw5] Re: More redesigning TW. GettingStarted should be revamped.

2020-05-22 Thread Arlen Beiler

I understand the point. I'm not sure that a favorite star would be the most
obvious way to do this. I think rather the getting started page should
define a few terms (3 terms) that people have trouble with. It could also
just present the default tiddlers edit box and explain what it does and
where to find it (home page of the control panel). Default isn't a bad name
for it once you know what it does.

On Fri, May 22, 2020, 07:45 Paco Rivière  wrote:

> El divendres, 22 maig de 2020 13:29:40 UTC+2, TiddlyTweeter va escriure:
>>
>> My apologies. I thought it more.
>>
>> You might want to retry using your specific need as the title!
>>
>> TT
>>
>
> Sorry. I don't get you? Abt, redesign: Getting started should be revamped.
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[tw5] Re: Query: What is Markdown? Which implementation do you use?

Mark Kerrigan wrote:

> As a general rule, I find mixing Markdown and TiddlyWiki wikitext not the 
> best idea. 
>

> My main use case for Markdown is as an interoperable format. 
>

> If I were to mix Markdown and wikitext, then I could no longer be certain 
> the document I create will be interoperable
>

Ciao Mark

*Spot-on*. IF a new user is *Markdown Happy *then it makes MOST sense to 
directly support it natively, NO compromise. If you mix up TW WikiText with 
some variant of Markdown you likely end up with a Nasty SpongeBob that FUs 
decent portability.

The OP was really trying to tease out a non-TW issue. That demands for 
better parsing of "Markdown" are way too GENERIC.

 WHICH end-versions if Markdown are we needing to support? 

TT

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[tw5] Re: More redesigning TW. GettingStarted should be revamped.

El divendres, 22 maig de 2020 13:29:40 UTC+2, TiddlyTweeter va escriure:
>
> My apologies. I thought it more.
>
> You might want to retry using your specific need as the title!
>
> TT
>

Sorry. I don't get you? Abt, redesign: Getting started should be revamped.

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[tw5] Re: Announcement: New, temporary, GGroup to discuss TW UI redesign

TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> hello ADMINISTRATOR Mat. was your intent to force users to have to sign-up 
> to post?
>

That's not intentional but I'm unsure how to change it. I did look around 
but will look into it again later today.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: More redesigning TW. GettingStarted should be revamped.

My apologies. I thought it more.

You might want to retry using your specific need as the title!

TT

On Friday, 22 May 2020 13:12:18 UTC+2, Paco Rivière wrote:
>
>
>
> El divendres, 22 maig de 2020 10:06:17 UTC+2, Paco Rivière va escriure:
>>
>> ...
>> To do this we just need to add the Favorites button to the page toolbar, 
>> which will do the job. An intuitive concept.
>>
>> ...
>>
> I meant "we just need to add the Favorites button to the *view* toolbar"
>

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[tw5] Re: Query: What is Markdown? Which implementation do you use?

Ciao Mat

Always love your enthuse!

Right. In sense of two audiences.

1 - Special needs (e.g. Fountain.io)


2 - Some kind of shared GENERIC, as is, minimal Markdown DOMINANT SUPER-SET.


It is 2 that is the issue of the OP. Does 2 exist?

PMario is very good on the issue.

But the final solution remains slippy.

TT


On Thursday, 21 May 2020 12:22:33 UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> The issue is this: When evaluating "A better Markdown for TW" what are we 
>> specifically talking about? It sure isn't Fountain. But WHAT is it?
>
>
> Answer:
> For native TW: The markdown that most people are used to / expect (Hidden 
> agenda: to ensure they are attracted to, and feel they can use, TW.)
> For modified TW or "editions": Whatever fits the context. For a screenplay 
> edition, maybe it's Fountain.
>
> <:-) 
>
>

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[tw5] Re: More redesigning TW. GettingStarted should be revamped.



El divendres, 22 maig de 2020 10:06:17 UTC+2, Paco Rivière va escriure:
>
> ...
> To do this we just need to add the Favorites button to the page toolbar, 
> which will do the job. An intuitive concept.
>
> ...
>
I meant "we just need to add the Favorites button to the *view* toolbar"

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[tw5] Re: More redesigning TW. GettingStarted should be revamped.

typo: I meant "add the Favorites button to the *view* toolbar" Not "page 
toolbar"

El divendres, 22 maig de 2020 10:06:17 UTC+2, Paco Rivière va escriure:
>
> It should be possible to start and have some results, in a fully intuitive 
> way. Words such as DefaultTiddler, ShadowTiddler, and "retain story order", 
> for example, need further explanation and do not meet this criterion.
>
> For many years I have spent a lot of time preaching TiddlyWiki among my 
> students and friends and they always crash at this sort of thing.
>
> For DefaultTiddlers a favorite star icon, on the page toolbar, would add 
> the tiddler title to DefaultTiddlers transparently for the new user, 
> without changing anytinng for old users. GettingStarted may have the star 
> initially marked. Maybe greyed. So when downloading a new TiddlyWiki, 
> GettingStarted would appear. Removing the star should cause the tiddler 
> title to be deleted from the DefaultTiddlers.
> To do this we just need to add the Favorites button to the page toolbar, 
> which will do the job. An intuitive concept.
>
> For ShadowTiddlers and story, we only need to adopt more intuitive words, 
> such as predefined tiddlers and main column tiddlers or even better ones.
>

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[tw5] Re: More redesigning TW. GettingStarted should be revamped.

It is an interesting issue. Yes. Very.

But I doubt most people GAF.

I think end users are most interested in simple utility FOR an aim.

Simple apps for something or other. What is your app for?

Just wondering!

Best, TT



On Friday, 22 May 2020 10:06:17 UTC+2, Paco Rivière wrote:
>
> It should be possible to start and have some results, in a fully intuitive 
> way. Words such as DefaultTiddler, ShadowTiddler, and "retain story order", 
> for example, need further explanation and do not meet this criterion.
>
> For many years I have spent a lot of time preaching TiddlyWiki among my 
> students and friends and they always crash at this sort of thing.
>
> For DefaultTiddlers a favorite star icon, on the page toolbar, would add 
> the tiddler title to DefaultTiddlers transparently for the new user, 
> without changing anytinng for old users. GettingStarted may have the star 
> initially marked. Maybe greyed. So when downloading a new TiddlyWiki, 
> GettingStarted would appear. Removing the star should cause the tiddler 
> title to be deleted from the DefaultTiddlers.
> To do this we just need to add the Favorites button to the page toolbar, 
> which will do the job. An intuitive concept.
>
> For ShadowTiddlers and story, we only need to adopt more intuitive words, 
> such as predefined tiddlers and main column tiddlers or even better ones.
>

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[tw5] Re: Making recursive + if-then-else based macro code simpler ?

2020-05-22 Thread Eric N.

Hi  Xavier, Tony,

thanks that looks very helpful I'm going to study that and have some fun !

Cheers
Eric

On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 3:47:30 AM UTC+4, TonyM wrote:
>
> Eric
>
> The first quick tip about recursive processes in tiddlywiki is if a filter 
> is used to call a level it usually describes a list of titles or values 
> which are themselves limited in number, that is they are exhausted 
> eventually and the recursive process returns to the previous call.
>
> here is an example I shared sometime ago, intentionally made into two 
> macros so the user can find where to insert modifications
>
> \define each-other-level(filter)
> <$link to=<> ><$text 
> text=<>/>
> 
> <$list filter="$filter$">
><>
> 
> 
> \end
> \define first-level(filter)
> 
> <$list filter="$filter$">
><>
> 
> 
> \end
>
> Start in TableOfContents
> <$tiddler tiddler="TableOfContents">
>
> <>
>
> 
>
>
> Although quite complex one insight for the adventerouse into recursive 
> processes in tiddlywiki is the TOC macros which obviously use recursion 
> see $:/core/macros/toc
>
> Of course if you iterate a hierarchy you need to be careful of entering an 
> infinite loop if one item has a child that is above it in the hierarchy "it 
> may be its own grandfather".
>
> Bimlases Kin filter is good at turning hierarchies into a flat list of 
> titles (among other things) so this can simplify code. 
>
> I think using filters can make recursion easy in TiddlyWiki because it 
> naturally limits the iterations, but if you look in my example above, in 
> each-other-level you could add logic to skip calling itself in particular 
> conditions.
>
> Regards
> Tony 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 7:01:17 PM UTC+10, Eric N. wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tony,
>> Sorry for the late answer...
>>
>> You are right, I am sometimes confusing this google group with a 
>> Tiddlywiki FAQ + code review + ideas box + many other things ;-)
>>
>> My main question was not really about how to solve my specific problem, 
>> but the generic problem of using recursive macros and if then else nested 
>> statements in the macros. 
>>
>> I'm used to using functions, and in those a simple "return value" will 
>> skip the rest of the function code. Clear and short code.
>>
>> In macros, I'll display the output "value" but then I have to make sure 
>> that the rest of the code is not executed, i.e. that it doesn't display and 
>> execute other stuff. That is, I need to make sure that I'll reach the 
>> "\end" of the macro without executing anything - as if I did return a value 
>> in a function. 
>>
>> Because of this "as if", i.e. because I have to make sure I'll reach the 
>> end of the macro code without executing anything once I've output what I 
>> wanted, I have to use a lot of if then else statements, nested, i.e. a lot 
>> of "<$list filter=...>" statements.
>>
>> And because of that, the code I write seems to me hard to read, hard to 
>> understand later on and hard to maintain. (cf nested lists in my original 
>> post)
>>
>> And so, this is so surprising to me that I end up with a code I am not 
>> comfortable with, not happy with, that I wondered if there was something I 
>> completely missed with macros and nested if-then-else statements.
>>
>>
>> If that's just the way it works, then OK... Otherwise I'd be happy to 
>> learn how to produce a better code :)
>>
>> Best,
>> And have a good day everyone !
>>
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 3:38:20 PM UTC+4, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> Love the way you are thinking some of us have done similar things. I 
>>> think it is as easy as anywhere to do this kind of thing. Of course it has 
>>> its own complexity. I would look at solving component issues then bring 
>>> them together in a solution.
>>>
>>> I can help more later but consider a custom new here button which passes 
>>> more to the child tiddler than a tag. Its easy to creat a tiddler with 
>>> additional fields. I have posted on setting context before but a simple 
>>> fieldname={{!!fieldname}} in the creat tiddler can do a lot.
>>>
>>> I will see what other tips I can share when next at my desktop.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>

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Re: [tw5] Personal News

Ciao Jeremy.

CV is interesting for the quick growth of knowledge of actually effective 
"self" re-understanding (e.g. D & oxi).

In Italy (early) there were lots of deaths from overwhelm and early 
ignorance.

Its interesting times. The rapid process towards informed self-care has 
been quite remarkable.

Side comments
TT

On Friday, 22 May 2020 10:05:49 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Thank you again for all the messages. It now finally seems like things are 
> slowly starting to improve. Mindful of the advice I've had here and 
> elsewhere I'm staying in bed for the moment (and taking vitamin D, using an 
> oximeter and drinking plenty of water). I've still got a fever, headache, 
> and my brain feels like it's been lightly scrambled, but I'm thankful that 
> this is evidently a pretty mild case, and hopefully I'll be back in action 
> soon. 
>
> Best wishes 
>
> Jeremy. 
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] After upgrade my fixed position edit toolbar dissappears when scrolling through tiddlers only appearing in the gaps between tiddlers

2020-05-22 Thread Sapphireslinger

I use TiddlyWiki (basic Vanilla theme) with Qinoid on my smartphone all day
long.

Quite some time ago I made my edit toolbar stay at the top of my screen by
putting this in a tiddler (tagged with $:/tags/Stylesheet)

.tc-tiddler-edit-title { position:fixed; top:0px; left:0; right:0; padding:3px;
background-color: pink; }

It wasn't as pretty as the j.d.mono.tiddlyspot.com edit toolbar (which I would
love to copy but I gave up after a few hours trying to get hints from his code)
but at least my edit toolbar stuck to the top of the screen, permenently on top
of everything.

The problem is that after finally upgrading to 5.1.22 (from 5.1.19) about a
week ago, my fixed position edit toolbar dissappears when I scroll away from
the tiddler I'm working on, and only reappears every time the gap between
tiddlers passes over it. It's like it's on a layer beneath the tiddlers and you
can only catch glimpses through the gaps.

Any hints on how to keep it on top?

Then this morning (inspired by jd mono) I decided to try and stick my page
controls toolbar to the top of my screen as well (because I write enough to
force me to scroll for miles just to get back to the controls, all that
scrolling is what I am trying to cut out) by adding...

.tc-page-controls { position:fixed; top:0px; left:0; right:0; padding:1px;
background-color: white; }

... to the same stylesheet.

Now the page toolbar and the edit toolbar sort of overlap each other up at the
top of the screen and both of them dissappear under tiddlers that are scrolled
over them.

I figured out that I could add top:60(or so)px to the edit toolbar to push it
down below the page toolbar.

However, the page toolbar seems to maintain a permanent 10px? gap between
itself and the top of the screen, when I would like it to be flush with the top
of the screen.

And they both still dissappear under scrolling tiddlers.

Help?

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[tw5] Re: Announcement: New, temporary, GGroup to discuss TW UI redesign

On Thursday, 21 May 2020 23:18:25 UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> Thanks for alerting. Yes, apparently deep down there was some setting for 
> this. Hopefully it works now. Not much to see there tho.
>

hello ADMINISTRATOR Mat. was your intent to force users to have to sign-up 
to post?

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Re: [tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki

2020-05-22 Thread Edgaras

*Mat *I need to play around with TW, I don't remember no all the situations
system tiddlers were in the way. I will be reporting more in the future
regarding this. Tags dropdown is one place where like springer said, it
would be great to "fold" system tags under "System tags" link in the
dropdown.

–––

TonyM the thread now is divided into pagination, I don't know why. I guess
too many messages. The lead post is still there.

It is dangerous to "Redesign" something to meet goals that have already
> being achieved.

It really depends who have those goals... I really don't think newcomer and
content writer goals are met, there are broader audiences of people that
could use TiddlyWiki, but they choose weaker tools, because they like the
interface and usability better. Plenty of youtube review videos proving
that.

But I can understand that from a power user perspective this seems like a
lot of unnecessary effort.

But if we want to improve things for all, let's turn the approach of
improving things upside down, let's define the far vision, and then reverse
engineer the steps until there. That might involve a lot of tweaking of the
vision and ideas. BUT there are still bigger chances to end up where you
want to be, rather than keep patching things, pulling to different
directions that does not belong to one common vision. The design proposal
has no means of jumping to final implementation. It's an iteration, and it
requires patience to keep going with uncertainty. It's an invitation to
explore the future vision, without being limited by existing constraints.
And if there are too big of constraints, then why we are talking that TW is
so modular and everyone can modify it to their own needs??

I like this pop quote, somewhat related:

*"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we
> created them." ~ A. Einstein*

–––

Thomas is it possible to download the whole icon pack at one? In my opinion
the TW icons a quite bold/thick, introduces a lot of visual weight. I with
there was a thinner, and more simplified
version, maybe not so "soft/rounded" also to reduce the particular styling.

–––
I guess let's move to the TiddlyWikiUI group:)

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Re: [tw5] Personal News

Happy of the good news, Jeremy.

Go on and stay improving!

Best wishes!

El divendres, 22 maig de 2020 10:05:49 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston va escriure:
>
> Thank you again for all the messages. It now finally seems like things are 
> slowly starting to improve. Mindful of the advice I've had here and 
> elsewhere I'm staying in bed for the moment (and taking vitamin D, using an 
> oximeter and drinking plenty of water). I've still got a fever, headache, 
> and my brain feels like it's been lightly scrambled, but I'm thankful that 
> this is evidently a pretty mild case, and hopefully I'll be back in action 
> soon. 
>
> Best wishes 
>
> Jeremy. 
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki

2020-05-22 Thread Thomas Elmiger

Hi folks

Here’s my collection of TW icons (and a few more in a similar style), where
I suggest to add an optional secondary colour to at least some icons to
highlight what they stand for:
https://tid.li/tw5/apps/svg.html#Advanced%20Icon%20Editing

Feel free to take from here!

All the best,
Thomas

Edgaras wrote:
>>
>> Regarding icons https://remixicon.com is the best open source pack I've
>> found. 2149 very nice neutral icons. I am not big. I like that balance
>> between softness and sharpness. By the way is there somewhere the
>> TiddlyWiki icon pack?
>>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki

I have a simple idea to revamp GettingStarted

Was unsure to post it here so I opened a new thead 
.

;)

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[tw5] [Question] enlist multiple variables?

Building on my knowledge

I am trying to create a list of 2 variables or, in other terms, adding 
elements to a list

<$set value="one" name=one >
<$set value="two" name=two >


<$list filter="[enlist]" variable=xss >
<>






I promise no more questions from me for the next 6hrs :)

thanks

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[tw5] More redesigning TW. GettingStarted should be revamped.

It should be possible to start and have some results, in a fully intuitive 
way. Words such as DefaultTiddler, ShadowTiddler, and "retain story order", 
for example, need further explanation and do not meet this criterion.

For many years I have spent a lot of time preaching TiddlyWiki among my 
students and friends and they always crash at this sort of thing.

For DefaultTiddlers a favorite star icon, on the page toolbar, would add 
the tiddler title to DefaultTiddlers transparently for the new user, 
without changing anytinng for old users. GettingStarted may have the star 
initially marked. Maybe greyed. So when downloading a new TiddlyWiki, 
GettingStarted would appear. Removing the star should cause the tiddler 
title to be deleted from the DefaultTiddlers.
To do this we just need to add the Favorites button to the page toolbar, 
which will do the job. An intuitive concept.

For ShadowTiddlers and story, we only need to adopt more intuitive words, 
such as predefined tiddlers and main column tiddlers or even better ones.

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Re: [tw5] Personal News

2020-05-22 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Thank you again for all the messages. It now finally seems like things are 
slowly starting to improve. Mindful of the advice I've had here and elsewhere 
I'm staying in bed for the moment (and taking vitamin D, using an oximeter and 
drinking plenty of water). I've still got a fever, headache, and my brain feels 
like it's been lightly scrambled, but I'm thankful that this is evidently a 
pretty mild case, and hopefully I'll be back in action soon.

Best wishes

Jeremy.




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[tw5] Re: how not to run same filter twice ??

Thank you Saq, thank you thank you thank you 

On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 10:37:22 AM UTC+3, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> You can but most of the time savings are neglibile. If in doubt, turn on 
> performance profiling to see how long each filter takes to execute.
> Otherwise you can do something like this, watch out for syntax errors 
> since this is written on my tablet:
>
> <$set name="_list" filter="""[regexp:title] [regexp:text] 
> -[all[current]backlinks[]] -[is[current]] -[tag[hide]] -[is[system]]""">
> <$set name="_listcount" filter="""[enlist<_list>]count[]]""">
> <$set name="isFreelink" filter="""[enlist<_list>] 
> +[then[true]else[false]]""">
>
> <$list filter="""[enlist<_list>]""">
>
> 
>
> 
> 
> 
>
> You can compress the 2nd and 3rd set widget into one vars widget.
>
> On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 9:28:38 AM UTC+2, Tony K wrote:
>>
>> A follow up question to the one I just asked also about filters
>>
>> I have this filter
>>
>> [regexp:title] [regexp:text] -[all[current]backlinks[]] 
>> -[is[current]] -[tag[hide]] -[is[system]] 
>>
>> until now I am running it 3 times
>>
>> 1. to set a variable true/false 
>>
>> isFreelink = {{{ [regexp:title] [regexp:text] 
>> -[all[current]backlinks[]] -[is[current]] -[tag[hide]] -[is[system]] +[
>> then[true]else[false]] }}}
>>
>> 2. as a counter
>>
>> <$count filter= [regexp:title] [regexp:text] 
>> -[all[current]backlinks[]] -[is[current]] -[tag[hide]] -[is[system]]
>>
>> 3. to get the actual list
>>
>> <$list filter=[regexp:title] [regexp:text] 
>> -[all[current]backlinks[]] -[is[current]] -[tag[hide]] -[is[system]]
>>
>> is there a way to run it only once and then evaluate the other 2 from the 
>> list already saved?
>>
>> thank you 
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: how not to run same filter twice ??

2020-05-22 Thread Saq Imtiaz

You can but most of the time savings are neglibile. If in doubt, turn on 
performance profiling to see how long each filter takes to execute.
Otherwise you can do something like this, watch out for syntax errors since 
this is written on my tablet:

<$set name="_list" filter="""[regexp:title] [regexp:text] 
-[all[current]backlinks[]] -[is[current]] -[tag[hide]] -[is[system]]""">
<$set name="_listcount" filter="""[enlist<_list>]count[]]""">
<$set name="isFreelink" filter="""[enlist<_list>] 
+[then[true]else[false]]""">

<$list filter="""[enlist<_list>]""">







You can compress the 2nd and 3rd set widget into one vars widget.

On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 9:28:38 AM UTC+2, Tony K wrote:
>
> A follow up question to the one I just asked also about filters
>
> I have this filter
>
> [regexp:title] [regexp:text] -[all[current]backlinks[]] 
> -[is[current]] -[tag[hide]] -[is[system]] 
>
> until now I am running it 3 times
>
> 1. to set a variable true/false 
>
> isFreelink = {{{ [regexp:title] [regexp:text] -[
> all[current]backlinks[]] -[is[current]] -[tag[hide]] -[is[system]] +[then[
> true]else[false]] }}}
>
> 2. as a counter
>
> <$count filter= [regexp:title] [regexp:text] 
> -[all[current]backlinks[]] -[is[current]] -[tag[hide]] -[is[system]]
>
> 3. to get the actual list
>
> <$list filter=[regexp:title] [regexp:text] 
> -[all[current]backlinks[]] -[is[current]] -[tag[hide]] -[is[system]]
>
> is there a way to run it only once and then evaluate the other 2 from the 
> list already saved?
>
> thank you 
>

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[tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki

TonyM wrote:
>
> mat,
>  
>
>> @TonyM, you're lifting the issue to a general critique of how many 
>> newcomers approach TW. While I partly agree, you're hijacking Edgaras 
>> thread here. None of your bullets are about what is being discussed here 
>> other than in some meta sense.
>>
>
> Can I clarify, is this your thread? Or has Edgaras chopped the head of it, 
> by deleting the lead post?
>

Sorry if I offended you, but what is the point with separate discussion 
threads if they diverge into multiple topics? To me it is clear that 
Edgaras is explicitly asking for feedback on his demos.

Anyway, you have good thoughts.

<:-) 


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[tw5] how not to run same filter twice ??

A follow up question to the one I just asked also about filters

I have this filter

[regexp:title] [regexp:text] -[all[current]backlinks[]] -[
is[current]] -[tag[hide]] -[is[system]] 

until now I am running it 3 times

1. to set a variable true/false 

isFreelink = {{{ [regexp:title] [regexp:text] -[
all[current]backlinks[]] -[is[current]] -[tag[hide]] -[is[system]] +[then[
true]else[false]] }}}

2. as a counter

<$count filter= [regexp:title] [regexp:text] 
-[all[current]backlinks[]] -[is[current]] -[tag[hide]] -[is[system]]

3. to get the actual list

<$list filter=[regexp:title] [regexp:text] 
-[all[current]backlinks[]] -[is[current]] -[tag[hide]] -[is[system]]

is there a way to run it only once and then evaluate the other 2 from the 
list already saved?

thank you 

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[tw5] Re: Please help with a "complex" then else filter

2020-05-22 Thread Joshua Fontany

Syntax gremlins (they bug me too). "Runs" (sequences of filter operators) 
should be wrapped in square brackets, so

-[is[system]]then[true]else[false]

Should be

-[is[system]then[true]else[false]]


But I'm not sure that's going to do what you want AAah, Saq found the 
syntax, good.

Best,
Joshua Fontany

On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 11:56:23 PM UTC-7, Tony K wrote:
>
>
>
> i have this filter
>
>[regexp:title] [regexp:text] -[all[current]
> backlinks[]] -[is[current]] -[tag[hide]] -[is[system]]
>
> and it is working fine, however if I want to make it a "true"/ "false" 
> variable
>
>
> <$varsisFreelink = {{{ [regexp:title] [regexp:text
> ] -[all[current]backlinks[]] -[is[current]] -[tag[hide]] 
> -[is[system]]then[true]else[false] }}} >
>
>
> it is giving me a syntax error
>
> Is this multi - parts filter supported with the if then else?
>
> thank you 
>

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[tw5] Re: Please help with a "complex" then else filter

Since your first filter works, I guess it is not the problem but just to 
make sure:

   - I don't think there can be spaces next to the equal sign. Or I just 
   learned something new.
   - There are some differences between the SetWidget and the VarsWidget 
   where the former is somewhat more powerful. Can't recall details. Anyway, 
   you could see if it happens to work using the SetWidget instead.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Please help with a "complex" then else filter

Man you are so quick it is not even funny

thank you so much 

On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 10:01:08 AM UTC+3, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> try:
>
> {{{ [regexp:title] [regexp:text] 
> -[all[current]backlinks[]] -[is[current]] -[tag[hide]] -[is[system]] 
> +[then[true]else[false]] }}}
>
> On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 8:56:23 AM UTC+2, Tony K wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> i have this filter
>>
>>[regexp:title] [regexp:text] -[all[current]
>> backlinks[]] -[is[current]] -[tag[hide]] -[is[system]]
>>
>> and it is working fine, however if I want to make it a "true"/ "false" 
>> variable
>>
>>
>> <$varsisFreelink = {{{ [regexp:title] [regexp:text
>> ] -[all[current]backlinks[]] -[is[current]] -[tag[hide]] 
>> -[is[system]]then[true]else[false] }}} >
>>
>>
>> it is giving me a syntax error
>>
>> Is this multi - parts filter supported with the if then else?
>>
>> thank you 
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Please help with a "complex" then else filter

2020-05-22 Thread Saq Imtiaz

try:

{{{ [regexp:title] [regexp:text] 
-[all[current]backlinks[]] -[is[current]] -[tag[hide]] -[is[system]] 
+[then[true]else[false]] }}}

On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 8:56:23 AM UTC+2, Tony K wrote:
>
>
>
> i have this filter
>
>[regexp:title] [regexp:text] -[all[current]
> backlinks[]] -[is[current]] -[tag[hide]] -[is[system]]
>
> and it is working fine, however if I want to make it a "true"/ "false" 
> variable
>
>
> <$varsisFreelink = {{{ [regexp:title] [regexp:text
> ] -[all[current]backlinks[]] -[is[current]] -[tag[hide]] 
> -[is[system]]then[true]else[false] }}} >
>
>
> it is giving me a syntax error
>
> Is this multi - parts filter supported with the if then else?
>
> thank you 
>

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[tw5] Please help with a "complex" then else filter



i have this filter

   [regexp:title] [regexp:text] -[all[current]
backlinks[]] -[is[current]] -[tag[hide]] -[is[system]]

and it is working fine, however if I want to make it a "true"/ "false" 
variable


<$varsisFreelink = {{{ [regexp:title] [regexp:text] 
-[all[current]backlinks[]] -[is[current]] -[tag[hide]] 
-[is[system]]then[true]else[false] }}} >


it is giving me a syntax error

Is this multi - parts filter supported with the if then else?

thank you 

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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

2020-05-22 Thread Saq Imtiaz

@TonyK appreciate the input. Recurring tasks weren't an issue and were 
already implemented back when I first worked on my task manager. 

The content of the text in the video is entirely for demonstration 
purposes, and just whatever came to my mind on the fly while recording.
It is a hypothetical plan for creating a hypothetical task manager.

Regards,
Saq

On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 8:33:21 AM UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>
> Saq,
>
> Watching you video I saw mention of how to handle re-occuring tasks. I 
> have found a very elegant algorithm with minimal complexity and designed 
> for the tools already within tiddlywiki
>
> Basically if you want something weekly you stamp a weekly-date field with 
> now. When done next week you stamp it again with now.
>
> Too see whats overdue the date stamp will be greater than -7 days using 
> the days operator. 
>
>- As soon as stamped it will disappear from the list.
>- You can always see when it was last done because the indicator is 
>the date and time done.
>- The logic to select the valid items is in the listing not the field 
>used to manage it. 
>   - So Instead of weekly etc, I could have review dates of Operation, 
>   Tactical and Strategic
>   - It is simple to set these to say daily, weekly and Monthly with 
>   the list using -1 -7 and -28
>- If you want it done on Mondays you could stamp the field 
>monday-review and list on mondays,
>   - If it is monday hide things done today, and list those not done 
>   today.
>
>
> Using  date stamp to indicate it is done, in a given period, is nice 
> because it can be a simple button, just click, no need to set the date to 
> other than to now in everyday operations.
>
> With a date selector the user can post date or predate, so I could stamp 
> it with 1st July 2020 an it will become weekly from the 7th July.
>
> Happy to discuss further to generalise it even more.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 10:54:47 AM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Saq,
>>
>> *I love it*, we can create much more interactive outliners that generate 
>> tiddlers. 
>>
>> An important point,
>>
>> I suspect you are using the edit field including title and it creates a 
>> tiddler  "feature"?
>>
>>- I would be great if we could set a template=template tiddler field 
>>on the master, or as a parameter on the macro which is used to create 
>> such 
>>subtiddlers. 
>>- This introduces a wide range of possibilities like setting a parent 
>>field, setting context fields and more
>>- I understand it could be difficult to achieve, but I mention it so 
>>you keep it in your mind if you see the possibility.
>>- If the `` can be used to trigger actions on the tiddler that 
>>was edited as the "currentTidder".
>>
>> Love Your work
>> TonyM
>>
>>
>>
>> NB; I got the video working in FireFox for me not My Chrome
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 11:11:38 AM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> Saq,
>>>
>>> I cant seem to get any video working and I really want to see this.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 10:37:43 AM UTC+10, Saq Imtiaz wrote:

 There are a few things not shown in the video: 

 - bullets can be multiline.
 - you can drag and drop bullets between "bullet list tiddlers". This 
 moves a bullet from one tiddler to another.
 - you can hold down Ctrl when dragging to another tiddler to copy it 
 rather than move it.
 - holding down shift when dragging transcludes the contents of a bullet 
 rather than moving or copying it.
 - it works around some of the annoyances in the core draggable list 
 links macro, where for each item there are two positions it can be dragged 
 to that don't actually result in a change of position.

 Currently the relationship between a bullet and its children is based 
 on fields as per my needs in my task manager. This could definitely be 
 simplified from what it is now.

 Also note that modelling each bullet as a tiddler means thought needs 
 to be given to tags, backlinks etc as the parent tiddler itself has no 
 body. For my use case this was fine but for general purpose text it may 
 limit the usefulness of filter lookups.

 My goal is to add comments to the wikitext macros, as time and energy 
 allows, and then post the file for everyone to play with. Since this is 
 all 
 in wikitext, it means that any TW user, developer or not, can try to make 
 a 
 generalized solution out of it.

 Unless of course, Joshua beats us all to it :)



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[tw5] Re: Preview: keyboard driven draggable bullets

Saq,

Watching you video I say mention of how to handle re-occuring tasks. I have 
found a very elegant algorithm with minimal complexity and designed for the 
tools already within tiddlywiki

Basically if you want something weekly you stamp a weekly-date field with 
now. When done next week you stamp it again with now.

Too see whats overdue the date stamp will be greater than -7 days using the 
days operator. 

   - As soon as stamped it will disappear from the list.
   - You can always see when it was last done because the indicator is the 
   date and time done.
   - The logic to select the valid items is in the listing not the field 
   used to manage it. 
  - So Instead of weekly etc, I could have review dates of Operation, 
  Tactical and Strategic
  - It is simple to set these to say daily, weekly and Monthly with the 
  list using -1 -7 and -28
   - If you want it done on Mondays you could stamp the field monday-review 
   and list on mondays,
  - If it is monday hide things done today, and list those not done 
  today.
   

Using  date stamp to indicate it is done, in a given period, is nice 
because it can be a simple button, just click, no need to set the date to 
other than to now in everyday operations.

With a date selector the user can post date or predate, so I could stamp it 
with 1st July 2020 an it will become weekly from the 7th July.

Happy to discuss further to generalise it even more.

Regards
Tony


On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 10:54:47 AM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>
> Saq,
>
> *I love it*, we can create much more interactive outliners that generate 
> tiddlers. 
>
> An important point,
>
> I suspect you are using the edit field including title and it creates a 
> tiddler  "feature"?
>
>- I would be great if we could set a template=template tiddler field 
>on the master, or as a parameter on the macro which is used to create such 
>subtiddlers. 
>- This introduces a wide range of possibilities like setting a parent 
>field, setting context fields and more
>- I understand it could be difficult to achieve, but I mention it so 
>you keep it in your mind if you see the possibility.
>- If the `` can be used to trigger actions on the tiddler that 
>was edited as the "currentTidder".
>
> Love Your work
> TonyM
>
>
>
> NB; I got the video working in FireFox for me not My Chrome
>
>
> On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 11:11:38 AM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Saq,
>>
>> I cant seem to get any video working and I really want to see this.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 10:37:43 AM UTC+10, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
>>> There are a few things not shown in the video: 
>>>
>>> - bullets can be multiline.
>>> - you can drag and drop bullets between "bullet list tiddlers". This 
>>> moves a bullet from one tiddler to another.
>>> - you can hold down Ctrl when dragging to another tiddler to copy it 
>>> rather than move it.
>>> - holding down shift when dragging transcludes the contents of a bullet 
>>> rather than moving or copying it.
>>> - it works around some of the annoyances in the core draggable list 
>>> links macro, where for each item there are two positions it can be dragged 
>>> to that don't actually result in a change of position.
>>>
>>> Currently the relationship between a bullet and its children is based on 
>>> fields as per my needs in my task manager. This could definitely be 
>>> simplified from what it is now.
>>>
>>> Also note that modelling each bullet as a tiddler means thought needs to 
>>> be given to tags, backlinks etc as the parent tiddler itself has no body. 
>>> For my use case this was fine but for general purpose text it may limit the 
>>> usefulness of filter lookups.
>>>
>>> My goal is to add comments to the wikitext macros, as time and energy 
>>> allows, and then post the file for everyone to play with. Since this is all 
>>> in wikitext, it means that any TW user, developer or not, can try to make a 
>>> generalized solution out of it.
>>>
>>> Unless of course, Joshua beats us all to it :)
>>>
>>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Redesign of TiddlyWiki

2020-05-22 Thread Rizwan Ishak

@Tony
Mat started the group

On Fri, 22 May 2020, 11:05 TonyM,  wrote:

> FYI Riz has started a Google Group for UI Changes
>
> Please consider discussing this elephant task over there
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!forum/tiddlywikiui
>
> Regards
> Tony
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[tw5] Re: Set value of a variable conditionally