[tw5] Re: Do you find that TiddlyWiki is faster in Chromium than Firefox?

[h0p3]

I use a browser exclusively for my wiki. Chromium is the best I've tried 
thus far. In part, I use a lot of extensions just for the wiki-browser, and 
I get to benefit from a larger ecosystem in Chromium. As much as I 
appreciate FF, I dislike having to blow gargantuan amounts of resources on 
it (there is only so much hardware I can throw at that hungry beast) as my 
primary web driver, and, unfortunately, I've been burned enough times by 
its bugs that I prefer not to trust it to my wiki process (maybe that will 
change). 



On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 9:03:42 AM UTC-4, si wrote:
>
> I recently tried out my wiki in Brave (Chromium based) rather than Firefox 
> and noticed that it was a little snappier.
>
> Saving tiddlers is measurably faster and there is a lot less lag when 
> using edit-text boxes (in my case the side-editor plug-in).
>
> *Is it generally the case that TW runs a little better in Chrome than 
> Firefox or is my experience just the result of the idiosyncrasies of my 
> particular system?*
>
> Note: I'm using Windows10 and Timimi to save for both browsers.
>

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[tw5] Re: 2020.06.15 - TWGGF: A Step Toward Federation

[h0p3]

Fixed. Gracias. https://kookma.github.io/TW-Searchwikis/ and 
https://github.com/kookma/TW-Searchwikis should work now.

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 6:03:26 PM UTC-4, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> h0p3 wrote:
>>
>>
>> Tonight, I was struck by [[TW-Searchwikis|
>> https://github.com/kookma/TW-Searchwikis] 
>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fkookma%2FTW-Searchwikis%255D=D=1=AFQjCNH91XeHdxsGrReJIBhZc7-5nhbkaQ>].
>>  
>>
>>
>
> That link is broken. You should maybe edit it to point to: 
> https://kookma.github.io/TW-Searchwikis/
>
> Best wishes
> TT
>

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[tw5] 2020.06.15 - TWGGF: A Step Toward Federation

[h0p3]

* 
https://philosopher.life/#2020.06.15%20-%20TWGGF%3A%20A%20Step%20Toward%20Federation
* 

Tonight, I was struck by 
[[TW-Searchwikis|https://github.com/kookma/TW-Searchwikis]]. Yet again, 
Mohammad "kookma" Rahmani is brilliant. It is certainly possible I'm not 
really understanding it, but I feel like his creation points in a special 
direction. I think the strength of the evolution of that tool is 
understated. I am, of course, your local crank and madman shouting nakedly 
in the streets (so feel free to ignore me, please). I am not a developer, 
so I ask for your patience as I try describe something beyond me with my 
big-boy words. 

It is my honor to read many Tiddlywikis. My friends, strangers, and family 
members keep wikis, and we're lucky to use Tiddlywiki as, at least in part, 
an incredibly customizable, FOSS, self-hostable social media device. TW 
kinda already has part of a protocol going on (we all pay some price to 
have something in common too); it's designed to share tiddlers, and I think 
TW is well-suited to help us take back the web and more. I want TW to be so 
big, even the cast or the characters of //Stranger Things// would have 
their own TWs. Forget the Roamcult: there's no reason a billion people 
can't have their own TW, folks. From what I can tell, TW-Searchwikis is a 
kernel example of a foothold to weave and branch communities of wikis. 

TW-Searchwikis is a decentralization tool. It's like a metadata RSS 
feedreader inside of TW. Crucially, it promotes a golden-rule-based 
resource sharing behavior: hosting your friend's metadata. This is a big 
deal! It makes it easy. It's not just sharing an http link or a 
dat_protocol_pubkey to your buddy's wiki, it's a chance to increase the 
performance and reach of their wiki from your own. It's a chance to move 
toward integrating our wikis together, to build a community on a toolset we 
own. 



!! Interwiki-Linking:

Why not treat external tiddlers of other TWs that we've whitelisted (and 
already host the metadata for) as objects to be fetched when necessary and 
temporarily treated as an internal tiddler? TW-Searchwikis's index shows 
that the tiddler exists. Surely, with that information, it is possible to 
fetch it and temporarily use it as a tiddler for the session (or to even 
give an appearance of it).

I have hundreds of dead/orphaned links to tiddlers in wikis that are 
external to mine. I'd like to be able to render the external tiddler in my 
storyriver (preferably with the external style intact). If there are 
multiple matches, then maybe a disambiguation page or the chance to just 
open them all (or a determined subset) would be excellent.

One of the core strengths of TW's story-river interfacing is that you can 
render an arbitrary number of pages inside a single tab. It enables 
contained workspaces and custom entrances to hypertexts, and it doesn't 
burn 10 tabs in your browser to do it. You can even nest wikis inside each 
other: https://philosopher.life/#Links%3A%20Fire%20in%20yo%20fire. Sure, 
the links can be hardcoded to a particular URL, but it wouldn't it be nice 
if they didn't have to be? They could be more seamlessly automated, 
forgiving, fuzzy, and expansive. 



!! Indexing indexers:

Some of you will remember that the best public torrent search tools were 
actually just giant centralized indexers of various trackers they scraped. 
We could kinda federate that. TW-Searchwikis can be extended for a session 
to index the indexes that my friends keep, and to index the indexes their 
friends keep, and so forth. 

Imagine I'm looking for [[Books]] tiddlers or even a book, like [[1984]], 
on my friends' wikis. Why not make it so that I can expand my search not 
just to the friends I've indexed, but also another step (incrementally 
expanded)? Perhaps there is a kind of recommendation and moderation engine 
built into this. Seems like there's discovery to be had here. Automating 
sections of the friend-to-friend model seems strong. 



!! Deep Searches:

Currently, the tool enables searching an index of a skeleton of other 
wikis. Scraping the external wiki for this index maximizes local 
performance. Imagine checking a box for "Deep Searching" that would just 
download the external wikis in the background and return the results of 
each external wiki's filter-expression as a subset of a filter expression 
in mine. 

Decentralization is bandwidth intensive. It's slower too. Now, I'm happy to 
blow 200mb of bandwidth on a high quality, well-organized search. Mutable 
torrent tools like Dat could improve performance as copies of your friends' 
wikis may already be synced (and perhaps it could automated to sync their 
friends' sites too). In a way, I wish I could grow an archive that I'm 
seeding, making it endlessly copyable and pruneable. Being able to search 
our sites locally is still the goal. Perhaps, in the end, this is best not 
done in TW until WASM, Dat, and more effective hole-poking through 

[tw5] Opening All External Links Found in the Body of Tiddler

[h0p3]

This is a shot in the dark, but does anyone have a one-click method for 
opening all external links contained in the body of a tiddler? Due to my 
poor willpower, it's common for me to have large clusters of links in a 
tiddler that I'd want to open all at once. While there are browser 
extensions that allow one to open sets of links copied to the clipboard, I 
was hoping to have the function embedded in the wiki instead. In my 
fantasies, I'd also have a button in my browser to export the URLs in a 
window or container straight into a tiddler (save that externalized 
cognition for a rainy day). RAM is expensive, and bookmarking/link-hoarding 
is an anxious drug-hobby.

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[tw5] Re: Does it _all_ have to be in one html file?

[h0p3]

I'm an intermediate-level computer user (so take my opinion with a grain of 
salt), but I am a huge fan of TW5-Bob; it's amazing, brilliant, and there's 
no substitute. You'll have your separate files and far more. It allows you 
to fairly seamlessly modify and sync files within your browser and outside 
it. I believe there are cases in which traversing and using your wiki is 
best done inside the browser, but there cases in which it is best done 
outside too. Bob is a bridge. I'm sure a terminal text editor poweruser 
will find very special ways to interact with TW through Bob. 



On Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 9:34:41 AM UTC-4, Holly Hudson wrote:
>
> I've used vi for decades, so now it's my most efficient means of editing.  
> I would love to be able to have all my tiddlers as separate, local, 
> markdown files so that I can edit them in a terminal when I find myself 
> swearing at the textboxes.  It also gives me a feeling of future-proof-ness 
> and portability if I know I can easily move the material into a different 
> format if I want, which one big long html file doesn't really do.
>
> I've figured out how to include markdown files, but once they're in that's 
> it, the external file doesn't seem to be referenced again, so I can't 
> round-trip the editing process. (Ie., if I edit in TiddlyDesktop, the 
> markdown file doesn't get updated.  If I update the markdown file, 
> TiddlyDesktop doesn't get updated.)
>
> Is there a plugin or something that makes what I want possible?
>

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[tw5] Re: How to solve the online and offline use of TiddlyWiki?

[h0p3]

Resilio Sync + TW5-Bob + Zerotier VPN gives remote access to the webserver 
and a local sync of the .tid files.

On Friday, May 29, 2020 at 5:41:29 PM UTC-4, bimlas wrote:
>
> If I have a wiki that I basically want to store in the cloud so that I can 
> easily access it on my phone or at work and keep the changes in sync 
> (online use), there are several options: GitHub and GitLab saver, Node.js 
> based savers, etc.
>
> If I had to use the wiki without internet access, I had no choice but to 
> back up the online wiki to a storage medium (e.g. a USB stick) or sync the 
> local file with my other devices via a service like Dropbox.
>
> As far as I know, the Node.js server prints an error as soon as I go 
> offline. If the wiki is available on GitLab or GitHub and I visit the 
> website on my phone and keeping the browser open, so I can read offline 
> while it remains in the cache, but it disappears after a while (the browser 
> hibernates after a while to save battery power), thus all my changes are 
> lost.
>
> Is there a solution outside of Dropbox that allows me to use the wiki 
> online and offline? So to make my offline changes appear in the online 
> version when I connect to the internet again?
>

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[tw5] Re: EditButtons plugin (and others) updated for TW 5.1.22

[h0p3]

Yes. I'm grateful for this plugin. I use it every day. Thank you. 

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 4:18:34 PM UTC-4, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Many, many thanks to Mat for pushing me a bit to a) fix one of my plugins 
> for TW 5.1.22 and b) to officially launch it to the public through this 
> group. 
>
> The *EditButtons* plugin makes editing more efficient by adding three 
> buttons to the edit toolbar:
>
>- Cancel & Close (Discard & Close)
>- Save & Close (Done & Close)
>- Save & Keep Open (Done & Reopen)
>
> Originally inspired by Josiah and Richard William Smith. (See Discussion 
> in the Google Group 
> .) – 
> Now flourishing with improved design (4 variants to choose from, so there 
> should be something for every taste and most existing designs or at least a 
> starter CSS you can improve yourself) and a new settings tab to configure 
> your edit toolbar. Even more thanks to Mat for the inspiration and the 
> testing – it was a real joy to work with you!
>
> This little gem is still under 25 kilobytes and has no dependencies. You 
> can get it on my all new Plugins website: 
> https://tid.li/tw5/plugins.html. 
>
> *Why should you use EditButtons?*
> The button I use all the time myself is *Save & Keep Open*. Especially 
> useful while working in a single page wiki to make sure your works are 
> saved while you are not finished yet. Also for testing new developments 
> like CSS or macros while you have finished parts only or want to be sure 
> everything is fine, before you *Save & Close*. The last one is for bad 
> ideas: When you think you should add something to a tiddler and then 
> realize you better leave it as it is and throw the bad idea away or note it 
> in another tiddler. Then you can *Cancel & Close*. If you never have such 
> bad ideas you can remove the button from the edit toolbar.
>
> *Where are the other Plugins?*
> My other plugins – older/not yet updated – are still available: Visit 
> https://tid.li/tw5/plugins-2019.html to check them out. Most of them will 
> be updated and moved over to the location above when I find the time. 
> Suggestions for improvements are always welcome but might take some time to 
> consider and/or implement. 
>
> Thanks for reading & all the best,
> Thomas
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.3.1, Splenda, bug fixes

[h0p3]

Thank you, sir!

I've no idea how you are setting up chat or federation. It's not an easy 
problem. I'm sure you've tried dat out. You might also check 
out: git.2f30.org/ratox/file/README.html. 


On Sunday, October 13, 2019 at 6:24:42 PM UTC-4, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> In the grand tradition of Bob, there were some pretty bad bugs in 1.3.0, 
> so here is 1.3.1.
>
> A pretty nasty saving bug is fixed and the chat should actually work now.
>
> The plugin version of Bob is on GitHub here: 
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob
> The newest version of BobEXE is available here: 
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-BobEXE/releases
>
> If you want to support the development OokTech has a patreon page here 
> https://www.patreon.com/OokTech
> or if you prefer there is a link for PayPal here 
> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick_button_id=ZG94CTLHTKYRE
>
> The full changelog is here:
>
> !! Version 1.3.1 Splenda
>
> * Make the expandable wiki listing default to closed
> * Fix a rather serious bug where changes on some wiki wouldn't be saved 
> back to the server.
> * Fixed local chat
>

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[tw5] Re: [Comment] Before now was a clearer open thing...

[h0p3]

I am very interested in this problem. Technology is a double-edged sword; 
it is only ever a means. What ends do you prescribe? TW does something 
valuable in this space. What should it be? Where ought we go? 

On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 7:36:08 AM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> I'm old and worn out.
>
> In the early days of the emergence of the net there was a whole 
> sub-culture exploring "qualitative" data. What happened was that Google and 
> other "Net Machines" took that work and implemented it as "quantative". 
>
> Google makes no differentiation now. Your qualitative it makes quantative, 
> whatever it is. That is part of its brilliance. And its horror.
>
> The residual issue is that the "open edge" gets closed. But that is 
> exactly what should not have happened.
>
> Few people now understand the impetus towards "text-bases" (TW can be 
> thought of as a "text-base") which recorded "EXPERIENCE", rather than 
> "data-bases", which recorded the STATS of DOINGS.
>
> IMO, this issue is still alive, but muted in the avalanch of SERVER 
> SAYINGS which are actually very partial. But DRIVING too much. Smothering 
> the still live issue.
>
> No technology is innocent now.
>
> Josiah
> In deep(ish) thought 
>

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[tw5] Re: How to change Quinoid cursor color

[h0p3]

I don't have an answer, but I have a followup question which might be 
related here. I want to change my general cursor with a custom one. I've 
got something like this in a stylesheet:

{ cursor: url('data:image/x-icon;base64, ... '), auto; }

Assuming I'm going after this correctly, what is the prefix which goes 
before this that will enable the custom cursor to show up throughout TW? 

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[tw5] Re: Tiny Todolist Plugin 1.00 final release: Create todo item with different categories

[h0p3]

That is fucked up. I'm sorry. If I can be of any use to you, please let me 
know.

Yours,

h0p3




On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 12:09:16 AM UTC-4, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi Birthe
>
> Thank you for your email. It seems GitHub from yesterday has suspended all 
> accounts from people live in Iran or signed as Iranian.
> I have received an email and  yellow notification on my GitHub page stated 
> that
>
> Due to U.S. trade controls law restrictions, your GitHub account has been 
> restricted. For individual accounts, you may have limited access to free 
> GitHub public repository services for personal communications only. Please 
> read about GitHub and Trade Controls 
> <https://help.github.com/articles/github-and-trade-controls> for more 
> information. If you believe your account has been flagged in error, please 
> file 
> an appeal <https://airtable.com/shrGBcceazKIoz6pY>.
>
>
> May be they realized I have put too much time on developing Tiddlywiki 
> plugins and planned to push me do something more important :-)
>
> Thanks to US democracy!
>
> Best regards
> Mohammad
>
>
>
> On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 7:38:47 AM UTC+4:30, Birthe C wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mohammad,
>>
>> You have created some very nice plugins, thank you. But the link to your 
>> demo says *There isn't a GitHub Pages site here.*
>>
>> Tiny Todo-list and TW-Trash.
>>
>>
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] How to turn a font into a stylesheet

[h0p3]

This may be the answer you are looking for: 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/dvaBHqdoAI0/mUNzk7ipBQAJ

On Monday, July 22, 2019 at 7:22:38 PM UTC-4, Aidan Grey wrote:
>
> Yeah, I'd like to know how to do that too... I tried using ONLY a specific 
> font, setting a class for .textarea, etc. but no luck.
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 1:17 PM armlet > 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi @Aidan Grey,
>>
>> Following your instruction, I successfully added a font to my wiki, with 
>> bj's ckeditor plugin. @BJ
>> I added the font name to $:/plugins/bj/visualeditor/config.json 
>> "font_names", the font appears in editor 'Font' dropdown.
>> However the font only displays in view mode, but not in edit mode.
>> What should I do for the font to display in edit mode as well?
>>
>> On Sunday, July 14, 2019 at 10:41:09 AM UTC-5, Aidan Grey wrote:
>>>
>>> Ooh! I know this one!
>>>
>>>
>>>- Check for a font you like
>>>- Visit: http://www.fontsquirrel.com/tools/webfont-generator
>>>- Upload your font file (".ttf", ".eot", ".woff", etc) and select 
>>>"Expert" option
>>>- Check the option case at CSS >> Base64 Encode
>>>- Generate your webkit: the output file is a ".zip" file containing 
>>>a text file with the CSS code (stylesheet.css)
>>>- Copy all text from that file into a tiddler
>>>- Make sure the field font-family is what you want
>>>- Tag the tiddler "$:/tags/Stylesheet 
>>>
>>> <#CAJu7H0ZnBc-f-+ia6S_voL09WKuJRmJPEwLNA=HE0s3Y+wb99A@mail.gmail.com_m_-2574144279443656815_CAJu7H0b8yUdcvEvEHWSVnmipk3Q3_bWGS+aRUanXN+5jnfT43A@mail.gmail.com_%24%3A%2Ftags%2FStylesheet>"
>>>  
>>>and change the tiddler type to "Plain text (text/plain)"
>>>- Done! Your font is available :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 4:06 AM Pit.W.  wrote:
>>>
>>>> h0p3,
>>>>
>>>> I looked at your beautiful website, especially your Zing font.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to convert a .ttf font into such a stylesheet to make it 
>>>> available on a mobile standalone tw file.
>>>>
>>>> Could you tell me how I can do this conversion?
>>>>
>>>> Pit.W
>>>>
>>>>
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[tw5] Re: New release: Locator 1.2.0 (search by tags, ToC showing related tags)

[h0p3]

Ah, take all the time you need. We have busy lives. Also, to be fair, it's 
probably better for you to ignore me and work on those awesome things in 
your freetime. I adore what you've done.

Autocompletions are useful if you know roughly what code you want to write 
in the first place. Tiddlywiki could make even stronger use of them, no 
doubt. It's much faster to build syntactically correct expressions with it, 
and it can lower the friction to build, in this case, filter expressions 
quite rapidly. I do not deny this, and, of course, I'm in favor of such 
development. My point is that it only helps someone who already knows what 
they are doing because it is not an abstraction. 

I do not know why a graphical solution to constructing filter expressions 
would necessarily complicate the flexibility. I am surprised to see this 
claim from you since your tool appears to be an exception. I am likely 
wrong though. It is obvious you see very far.

Further, I'm not sure how to conceive of the backlinks idea well enough. I 
think it could have its own TOC or Tiddlymap which is dynamically 
constructed. Picking links on a wiki and computing/seeing how they are 
related to each other via other chains of links seems doable, but I don't 
know how to visually present it in a satisfactory way. 



On Saturday, July 20, 2019 at 12:15:49 PM UTC-4, bimlas wrote:
>
> h0p3,
>
> About the "searching GUI": this is what I mean under "auto-completion":
>
>
> https://bimlas.gitlab.io/demo/tw5/advanced-search-filter-with-completion.html
>
> Click in and out to the entry until popup is not shown. It's currently 
> doing nothing but lists the names of filters that match the text you type. 
> To be truly functional, I need to implement additional filters.
>
> The principle would be to wait for the name of a filter after every "[" 
> and "]" character (for example at the "*" characters in 
> "[*all[*shadows]*tag[*foo]*]") and show the completions based on the name 
> of the semi-typed filter to the name of the entire filter, as the 
> code-completion works in an IDE.
>
>
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tboox/xmake-vscode/master/res/completion.gif
>
> 2019. július 19., péntek 16:45:38 UTC+2 időpontban bimlas a következőt 
> írta:
>>
>> h0p3,
>>
>> I'm sorry for the delayed response, but I'm trying to spend my little 
>> free time on implementing new ideas.
>>
>> Thank you very much for your kind words. Although I do not understand 
>> exactly what you wrote, because my English knowledge and Google Translate 
>> are not enough for accurate translation, but it seems like you like what I 
>> have done. :)
>>
>> meaningful navigational control without forcing them to write dozens of 
>>> SQL queries
>>
>>
>> If you are thinking of implementing Search of h0p3 
>> <https://philosopher.life/#Search%20of%20h0p3> then there is an attempt 
>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/dR8hVQYR2P8>, but I 
>> think a graphical solution would not replace, but complicate the 
>> flexibility of text filters. In my opinion, an auto-completion for Advanced 
>> Search would be some kind of solution.
>>
>>  Rapid navigation of child backlinks in $:/core/ui/TiddlerInfo/References 
>>> and ancestor links stripped out of bodies (perhaps fields as well) might be 
>>> somewhat parallel to what is achieved in your tooling.
>>
>>
>>  Sorry, but I don't understand: could you write an example of what you 
>> would like to see?
>>
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[tw5] Re: Tiny Todolist RC2: New UI and major improvement

[h0p3]

Thank you! =)

On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 7:38:20 AM UTC-4, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi h0p3,
>  I have uploaded a special edition to support drag and drop for re 
> ordering items in todo list
>
> https://github.com/kookma/TW-Todolist/tree/master/draggable
>
> the index.html is a working demo and the plugin is a tid file.
>
> Enjoy it!
>
> Cheers
> Mohammad 
>
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 10:48:03 PM UTC+4:30, h0p3 wrote:
>>
>> This is magnificent. It has all the functions I need, it just werx 
>> intuitively, namespaces are a godsend, it doesn't show me more than I need, 
>> and it fits my sidebar automagically. I finally have a reason to stop 
>> building my stupid TDLs by hand. This is another brilliant stunner you've 
>> built. I can tell you've put a lot of thought into this; I love the design. 
>> Thank you for your gift to us. I have no criticism, but I have some 
>> feedback which might be useless to you (if so, sorry).
>>
>>- I see that it probably isn't possible to manually move items up and 
>>down the list in the way that I can arrange objects on the toolbar in the 
>>"Open" sidebar tab. Assuming it is safe, I'm still going to make some 
>> kind 
>>of ghetto button to be able to manually edit the json in 
>>$:/plugins/kookma/todolist/data/foobar/tasks. This is what I want to 
>> know: 
>>I see the members of the list are timestamped, and (if at all) is it a 
>>problem for me to put them out of creation order?
>>- Is it possible to create trees and move entire branches?
>>   - Manually nested metadata and notes to my TDLs have been valuable.
>>- I just can't use any of the calendars in TW. If there are trees and 
>>way to automate the ordering (e.g. .MM.DD @HH:MM), this tool is a 
>>calendar.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 10:16:50 AM UTC-4, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> Happy to hear that!
>>> Please send me if there is any issues
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 9:59:19 AM UTC+4:30, passingby wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Mohammed,
>>>>
>>>> Noted all the points. 
>>>>
>>>> I have put the TodoLIst in my main Sidebar(right side). Expanded the 
>>>> width of the SideBar to 400 px. I have gotten rid of the LeftBar. Put 
>>>> everything in the Right SideBar. I was getting irritated with 2 bar on the 
>>>> page. Also I got rid of the Site Title, Sub title, Page Controls as well 
>>>> as 
>>>> the Search Bar. They were hogging up space for no good use of mine. I put 
>>>> all of them in a Sidebar tab. Made everything look minimalistic. And the 
>>>> SideBar shifted up the page too. My TOC is  on the Sidebar Tab. Looks good 
>>>> now. Will report if any more issues crop up.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> PassingBy
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 9:47:02 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Passinby
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 1:57:56 AM UTC+4:30, passingby wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just installed the plugin and embedded a Todolist instance in the 
>>>>>> left sideBar(from Twaddle). Unfortunately, the Todolist  seems to be 
>>>>>> wider 
>>>>>> and its right edge goes behind the story river on the right. I have to 
>>>>>> set 
>>>>>> the width of 350px to the leftbar in order for the buttons to be 
>>>>>> visible. 
>>>>>> Can the layout be made more fluid?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Todolist needs 400px width to work properly! By the way you can  open 
>>>>> the main.css and change the min-width!
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Second suggestion: Can it be made that we hit enter and an item is 
>>>>>> added, instead of the + button? If this can be done, then one more thing 
>>>>>> needless thing can be shaved off from the ui.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Users with touch screen needs the add button! For adding shortcut 
>>>>> keyboards I will ask BTC to see if it is possible to implement. I 
>>>>> personally support this feature!
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Third: Is it possible to drag and re order the list items?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is difficult! The todo items are index/value pairs and the 
>>>>> draggable widget seems not work for them, but I welcome any suggestion by 
>>>>> you or other user have any solution for this!
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Passingby
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: A much much better alternative to my todo plugin

[h0p3]

His tool is excellent! I don't see why it is a "much much better 
altnerative" though. I like different features of both of your work. I like 
that your tool doesn't create a bunch of tiddlers (even if that means I 
don't get nesting and other cool features). Your archiving is useful. I 
also prefer your UI in my sidebar.

Thank you for your work. It adds to the ecosystem.



On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 1:45:13 AM UTC-4, Mohammad wrote:
>
> I just realized JD has a much much better todo list plugin! I have not 
> seen he has announced it before!
> By the way he has a public todo here!
>
> http://j.d.todo.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> We know JD for his great work on TW theme and several other brilliant 
> plugins!
>
> So, I stopped further development on my Tiny Todolist!
>
>
> Cheers
> Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiny Todolist RC2: New UI and major improvement

[h0p3]

Thank you so much! That is very generous of you. I'm still coming to grips 
with how to plan and modify this tooling in my wiki. I don't know how far 
this change is going to go, but I am excited.

Also, starred this project.

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 3:58:06 PM UTC-4, Watt wrote:
>
> Hi hOp3
> I have a rather long-winded method of showing 'tasks' selected by index 
> date. It's not a calendar, more like a diary, but it may give you some 
> ideas to work with. I'm absolutely sure there are more efficient ways to do 
> this but I only started with data tiddlers recently and this evolved out of 
> the learning process.
>
> This works with the data/tasks file produced by Mohammad's todolist.
>
> I have 2 tiddlers of type 'application/x-tiddler-dictionary'.
>
> 1 is titled 'months' and has this content;
> 01:01
> 02:02
> 03:03
> 04:04
> 05:05
> 06:06
> 07:07
> 08:08
> 09:09
> 10:10
> 11:11
> 12:12
>
> The second is called 'days' and has the same content but all the way to 
> 31:31
>
> The third tiddler is titled 'mymonths' and creates a transcludable drop 
> down selector for months. It contains;
>
> <$select tiddler="$:/_state/dateselector" field="month">
> <$list filter='[[months]indexes[]]'>
> <$list filter='[[months]getindex' variable='']>
> <>
>
> 
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> <$list filter="[[months]getindex{$:/_state/dateselector!!month}]" 
> variable="value">
> 
>
>
> The fourth tiddler is titled 'mydays' and creates a drop down selector for 
> days. It contains;
>
> <$select tiddler="$:/_state/dateselector" field="day">
> <$list filter='[[days]indexes[]]'>
> <$list filter='[[days]getindex' variable='']>
> <>
>
> 
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> <$list filter="[[days]getindex{$:/_state/dateselector!!day}]" 
> variable="value">
> 
>
> Finally the fifth tiddler is titled 'tasks by date' and allows you to 
> select your tasks by date. It contains;
>
> \define concatdate()
> 2019.{{$:/_state/dateselector!!month}}.{{$:/_state/dateselector!!day}}
> \end
>
> Day: {{mydays}}
> Month: {{mymonths}}
>
> <$wikify name="myconcatdate" text=<> >
>
> 
> <>
>
> <$list 
> filter="[[$:/plugins/kookma/todolist/data/YOURBASENAME/tasks]indexes[]] 
> +[regexp:title]">
>
>
> <$list 
> filter="[[$:/plugins/kookma/todolist/data/YOURBASENAME/tasks]getindex]"
>  
> variable="value"><>
> 
> 
>
> 
>
>
> Note that you need to edit YOURBASENAME in 'tasks by date' twice to the 
> base name that you are using in todolist.
>
> I never got around to making a dropdown for years but it would follow the 
> same pattern.
>
> Like I say, longwinded, not a calendar, definitely not a textbook example 
> but it might give you or others ideas and hopefully someone will extend it 
> and correct my slapdash methods.
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiny Todolist RC2: New UI and major improvement

[h0p3]

This is magnificent. It has all the functions I need, it just werx 
intuitively, namespaces are a godsend, it doesn't show me more than I need, 
and it fits my sidebar automagically. I finally have a reason to stop 
building my stupid TDLs by hand. This is another brilliant stunner you've 
built. I can tell you've put a lot of thought into this; I love the design. 
Thank you for your gift to us. I have no criticism, but I have some 
feedback which might be useless to you (if so, sorry).

   - I see that it probably isn't possible to manually move items up and 
   down the list in the way that I can arrange objects on the toolbar in the 
   "Open" sidebar tab. Assuming it is safe, I'm still going to make some kind 
   of ghetto button to be able to manually edit the json in 
   $:/plugins/kookma/todolist/data/foobar/tasks. This is what I want to know: 
   I see the members of the list are timestamped, and (if at all) is it a 
   problem for me to put them out of creation order?
   - Is it possible to create trees and move entire branches?
  - Manually nested metadata and notes to my TDLs have been valuable.
   - I just can't use any of the calendars in TW. If there are trees and 
   way to automate the ordering (e.g. .MM.DD @HH:MM), this tool is a 
   calendar.




On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 10:16:50 AM UTC-4, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Happy to hear that!
> Please send me if there is any issues
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 9:59:19 AM UTC+4:30, passingby wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mohammed,
>>
>> Noted all the points. 
>>
>> I have put the TodoLIst in my main Sidebar(right side). Expanded the 
>> width of the SideBar to 400 px. I have gotten rid of the LeftBar. Put 
>> everything in the Right SideBar. I was getting irritated with 2 bar on the 
>> page. Also I got rid of the Site Title, Sub title, Page Controls as well as 
>> the Search Bar. They were hogging up space for no good use of mine. I put 
>> all of them in a Sidebar tab. Made everything look minimalistic. And the 
>> SideBar shifted up the page too. My TOC is  on the Sidebar Tab. Looks good 
>> now. Will report if any more issues crop up.
>>
>> Thanks
>> PassingBy
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 9:47:02 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Passinby
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 1:57:56 AM UTC+4:30, passingby wrote:

 I just installed the plugin and embedded a Todolist instance in the 
 left sideBar(from Twaddle). Unfortunately, the Todolist  seems to be wider 
 and its right edge goes behind the story river on the right. I have to set 
 the width of 350px to the leftbar in order for the buttons to be visible. 
 Can the layout be made more fluid?

>>>
>>> Todolist needs 400px width to work properly! By the way you can  open 
>>> the main.css and change the min-width!
>>>  
>>>

 Second suggestion: Can it be made that we hit enter and an item is 
 added, instead of the + button? If this can be done, then one more thing 
 needless thing can be shaved off from the ui.

>>>
>>> Users with touch screen needs the add button! For adding shortcut 
>>> keyboards I will ask BTC to see if it is possible to implement. I 
>>> personally support this feature!
>>>

 Third: Is it possible to drag and re order the list items?

>>>
>>> This is difficult! The todo items are index/value pairs and the 
>>> draggable widget seems not work for them, but I welcome any suggestion by 
>>> you or other user have any solution for this!
>>>  
>>>

 Thanks
 Passingby

>>>

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Re: [tw5] How to turn a font into a stylesheet - solved - Dynalist-stuff?

[h0p3]

Hey Pit. W,

/blush. That praise is way too high. I'm still learning how to use this 
tool. The generous people of the TW community are constantly showing me how 
to use and reason about Tiddlywiki.

I didn't respond after Aidan because that is the method I used, and I 
didn't want to derail the thread. I didn't see a way to contact you 
directly, so I'm posting here.

I'm just a madman. I'm lucky to have found TW: a tool to contain my 
insanity. It is always my honor to speak with people 
<https://philosopher.life/#Find%20The%20Others>. Feel free to contact me 
<https://philosopher.life/#Contact%20h0p3>.

Sincerely,

h0p3




On Monday, July 15, 2019 at 1:08:39 PM UTC-4, Pit.W. wrote:
>
> *Aidan,*
>
> great big thanks for this!
>
> I NEVER would have been able to do this without your help.
>
> And your instructions were so clear, understandable, conscientious and 
> precise that I managed to do this at the first attempt. (And I am really 
> not a savvy person)
>
> *h0p3,*
> thanks for demonstrating on your website that this is possible at 
> all!
>
>
> Please allow me to remain Your most humble admirer,
>
> Pit.W
>
> Am 14.07.2019 um 17:40 schrieb Aidan Grey:
>
> Ooh! I know this one! 
>
>
>- Check for a font you like 
>- Visit: http://www.fontsquirrel.com/tools/webfont-generator 
>- Upload your font file (".ttf", ".eot", ".woff", etc) and select 
>"Expert" option 
>- Check the option case at CSS >> Base64 Encode 
>- Generate your webkit: the output file is a ".zip" file containing a 
>text file with the CSS code (stylesheet.css) 
>- Copy all text from that file into a tiddler 
>- Make sure the field font-family is what you want 
>- Tag the tiddler "$:/tags/Stylesheet 
>
> <#a215e083-e78e-c36a-5076-aa049aca4932@eclipso.ch_%24%3A%2Ftags%2FStylesheet>"
>  
>and change the tiddler type to "Plain text (text/plain)" 
>- Done! Your font is available :) 
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 4:06 AM Pit.W. > 
> wrote:
>
>> h0p3,
>>
>> I looked at your beautiful website, especially your Zing font.
>>
>> I would like to convert a .ttf font into such a stylesheet to make it 
>> available on a mobile standalone tw file.
>>
>> Could you tell me how I can do this conversion?
>>
>> Pit.W
>>
>>
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[tw5] Re: [tw] Re: Wish list: a modification to $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs

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 Awesome! Thank you. =)

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[tw5] Re: [tw] Re: Wish list: a modification to $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs

[h0p3]

I really like Mat's plugin. I'm looking for a way to add a delay to the 
popup itself. I'd rather I had to hover for a second before it came up. 

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 9:45:56 AM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi Josiah
>
> I did try both of the plugins, Mat's and Mario's, and found that in Mat's 
> plugin, the popup that appears when hovering disappears too quickly when I 
> move the cursor up to click on the edit button. I like Mario's link image 
> that stays put on the selected tab and does what it should.
>
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> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 8:39 AM, @TiddlyTweeter  > wrote:
>
>> Ciao David
>>
>> Mat developed a plugin that does exactly that. Its obviously needs to be 
>> on your ;-)
>>
>> Josiah
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 7 February 2018 15:29:09 UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I am using $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs in my info and to do list 
>>> TiddlyWiki. Awesome. 
>>>
>>> But it bugs me that I have to do three steps to edit the tiddlers 
>>> referenced by the tabs: 1) Click on the tab 2) Click on the link image on 
>>> the tab to open the tiddler. 3) click to edit the tiddler. Since what the 
>>> user wants to do is edit the tiddler (since she can already view the 
>>> tiddler in the tab), it makes sense that clicking on the link image would 
>>> open the tiddler in edit mode. That would reduce from three steps to two.
>>>
>>> Pleasepleaseplease Mario: modify the plugin, or create a modified 
>>> version of the plugin with this feature, as this would enhance this plugin!
>>>
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[tw5] Re: New release: Locator 1.2.0 (search by tags, ToC showing related tags)

[h0p3]

eems to work (while h0p3 do not changing the title of 
> "Maps" tab), so I attaching the modified button: I've added two lines for 
> it to open the right tabs:
>
> ...
> <$action-listops $tiddler="$:/state/bimlas/locator" $field="breadcrumbs" 
> $filter=[[]]/>
> <$action-listops $tiddler="$:/state/bimlas/locator" $field="ancestor-tags" 
> $filter=[[]]/>
> 
> <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/tab/sidebar--595412856" text="Maps"/>
> <$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/state/tab-1115086957" text="Locator view"/>
> 
>
> <$list filter="[prefix[yes]]" variable="listItem"
> >
> {{$:/core/images/chevron-right}}
> ...
>
> It works only in h0p3's wiki!
>

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[tw5] Re: New release: Locator 1.2.0 (search by tags, ToC showing related tags)

[h0p3]

Thank you for the update!

I have a question which is off topic, and please feel free to tell me to go 
figure out. How can I make the locator sidebar button in the view toolbar 
automatically open the Locator sidebar tab? I might, for example, be in the 
Recent tab in the sidebar, and when I click that button, I'd like it to 
switch to the Locator tab in my sidebar. This is convenient for me, but I 
think it's crucial for a user of my wiki who doesn't know what your tool 
does; they won't know to look at that tab. 

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[tw5] Re: The Future of Large Tiddlywikis

[h0p3]

Most of my work doesn't require complete access, 
but it often does. My readers and I search my entire wiki often (not just a 
section of it, though we're happy to use filter expressions when we can). I 
realize it's not ideal in some respects.

I'm indebted to you for wrestling with me here, and also I'm indebted to 
you for Bob. Thank you for developing it. I have multiple wikis (soon to be 
further unified as well), but I aim to automatically manage them through 
shell scripting, which your tool enables beautifully. I use your tool 
almost entirely for simultaneous editing and bi-directional 
synchronization. You enable me to create many doorways into my wiki I could 
not otherwise enjoy.
@ Jeremy Ruston

Hi h0p3

Great post, thank you for sharing your hopes and fears!

Ha, sometimes I am not as much my name as I would like.

With regard to performance improvements and optimisations in general, I’ve 
found that whenever I’ve gone in pursuit of them I’ve been able to squeeze 
better and better performance out of the core itself. As you know, I’m 
working with very large wikis too, and as I’ve encountered serious issues 
I’ve tried to fix them, and largely succeeded.

I’ve found that to be true at all levels of the design: if I can measure 
the performance of something then I can almost certainly improve it. The 
vital component is to be working with real-world data.

In addition to creating TW, I appreciate that you work on large TWs for a 
living. I can't say I'm within even leagues of your skill here. I will do 
what I can with what little I know.

With regard to browsers, I’m much more bullish that we’ll continue to see 
significant improvements, particularly for the large processes that 
browsers require for these large wikis.

One interesting point about TiddlyWiki is that the refresh algorithm is 
inherently parallelisable: refresh processing of sibling nodes is 
completely independent of one another. So, to the extent that browsers will 
expose more multicore functionality in their quest for performance, we’re 
in a good position to benefit.

Excellent! I am glad to be wrong. This is music to my ears. It's good to 
hear several people are optimistic here.

Looking further to the future, my thinking for some time around TWX is to 
write it in an LLVM-compatible language, and compile it to WebAssembly for 
the Web. (I hesitated to write that because we really shouldn’t de-rail 
this discussion, but it does seem relevant that I’m planning a long term 
future for TiddlyWiki).

I'm interested in it. This is still speculation, but I appreciate knowing 
that is the direction. I realize I can be fairly pessimistic, but knowing 
that eventually I'll be able to migrate (with some massaging) my TW5 into 
TWX gives me more hope this will be a lifelong tool.

Anyhow, probably the best we can do at the moment is to continue to improve 
the performance monitoring tools so that anyone can make observations of 
their own wikis, and we can figure out how best to act on the resulting 
telemetry (i.e. without everybody having to send a copy of their private 
wikis to me!)

Best wishes

Jeremy

Thank you. I'll need to become better at using those tools.

If there ever is a testing gauntlet, my wiki snapshots might be a 
reasonable addition. They are real-world and public. They scale up from 
tiny to large: https://github.com/m6ram/.

The file at https://philosopher.life/ isn't as big as that, so I think h0p3 
was referring to a private wiki.

Best wishes

Jereym

The vast majority of my content is in that public wiki. That one is sitting 
at 29.3MB. It's in the ballpark here.
@ Mat

h0p3

for you site https://philosopher.life have you tried disabling plugins? 
>From what I've heard, 1+ mostly text based tiddlers shouldn't be a 
problem in TW. My (not very qualified) guess is that you're using some 
plugins or templates that cause a lot of repeated and nested iterations or 
recursions.

Your guess is as good as mine. I've tried disabling plugins, ripping out 
all the tags, and I didn't really see significant gains (certainly not 
worth the functional loss). I don't know what I'm doing, and I'm not really 
sure how to learn how to know what I'm doing either (which is my fault). It 
seems reasonable that it should be slower as it gets bigger. There's no way 
not to pay some penalty for something like a wiki-wide search.

A quick look at your plugin list shows you have the Kin filter plugin. I 
imagine this is a pretty system taxing plugin IF used in some template that 
is called all the time.

Locator is very expensive in my wiki, but (from what I can tell) there is 
no other tool like it. To lose it in my wiki, I'd have to write my own code 
running on my OS to replace it, but then it would only work for me. I 
consider it irreplaceable for users of my wiki, and I don't even tag like 
an intermediate user of TW.

Maybe you're using a ToC that is active all the time? These are, I assume, 
recursive cratur

[tw5] The Future of Large Tiddlywikis

[h0p3]

What does the future hold for large Tiddlywikis? What can I do right now to 
start optimizing my TW to be usable while still huge. I am grateful to the 
TW contributors and those who made one my browser engines. This has to be 
one of the best FOSS communities I've ever had the privilege of 
participating in. I need the advice of experts.

There's only so much optimization TW5 and the browsers which run it can 
achieve. We're hitting the limits of single-threaded performance, and I am 
not convinced there are many huge gains left for javascript in the browser 
on high-end x86_64 CPUs (I desperately hope I'm wrong). Performance for 
large TWs is looking a bit grim. I'm trying to look down the road 10 years 
from now and ask myself if my Tiddlywiki is going to be the right tool for 
the job. It's an amazing rapid-prototyping tool, but maybe it can't be made 
performant enough. What do you think?

Even though I'm still a noob at it, I use TW a lot 
; I'm an addict. In 3 years, I've amassed 10k 
tiddlers of almost pure text in a 30MB TW (that's ~60 novels in length), 
and I don't see myself slowing down. I don't do anything fancy, but this 
tool is heavily integrated into my life. I'm a unificationist too: part of 
the strength of this tool is that I don't have to separate it into 
unconnected documents. I want to search, navigate, hyperlink, and construct 
the whole. Unfortunately, the tool is getting slower and slower for me. I'm 
pretty worried I need to move away from Tiddlywiki.

The standout property of Tiddlywiki is that I get to serve a self-modifying 
IDE+Product as a single html file (though I no longer develop it without 
Bob). The client's browser does most of the calculation, and I don't have 
to rely upon having a server which does anything more than dishing out 
static files; I'm not beholden to centralized webservers (though I still 
use github for now). I adore how it is censorship resistant, 
cryptographically signable, easy to distribute, and it runs on almost any 
device (though, at this point, my wiki barely runs on a phone). It's 
perfect for P2P-serverlessness. There is nothing else like it in this 
respect unless I'm handing someone a complete VM or container, but that 
doesn't work nicely in a browser. There is no replacement as far as I can 
tell.

I've probably made plenty of mistakes in attempting to optimize, but I'm 
trying. I try to stick to hardlinks, and I do my best not to generate 
anything dynamically when I can. There's only so much optimizing one can do 
for complex filter expressions. I even bend over backward to do what I call 
"Firmcoding" in which dynamically generated lists are pre-computed into 
static indexes (basically, this enables link references to function, limits 
clientside computation, and if I have to move out of Tiddlywiki, all of my 
linking structures are still hardcoded). What kinds of precomputing can I 
do here to help the client side? I've only started really using tags this 
past year, and I just ripped out all of the tags to find almost no 
performance gains either. Do I have too many tiddlers? Do I need to start 
finding ways to molecularize (rather than atomize) content into larger 
tiddler bodies and then build specialized parsing for those large tiddlers? 
I'm growing desperate.

I feel like I'm going to puke. I've seen this coming for a while, and I've 
been burying my head in the sand hoping it wasn't true. This is my evolving 
horcrux-pensieve, and now I feel like a hermit crab who might have to find 
another shell. I'm heartbroken at the thought. This is the best damn tool I 
have ever used in my entire life; I can't bear to lose it. NO! NO! 
NOO! /hissy-fit.

Is there no hope for me here? Will the next TW-X be built with WASM? What 
other toolset do you recommend for me? Where should this pilgrim go, and 
what should he do?

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[tw5] Re: How can I shrink the spacing between nested horizontal tabs?

[h0p3]

Thank you, so much Mat! You sent me down the right direction with 
instructions and examples.

I fiddled some more because I'm most interested in modifying the sidebar. 
This is working for me. Since I don't know what I'm doing, I assume there's 
something wrongheaded about what is working for me:

.tc-sidebar-lists {}
.tc-search{ margin-bottom: 1.5em; }
.tc-tab-set{ margin-top: -1.5em; }


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[tw5] Re: How can I shrink the spacing between nested horizontal tabs?

[h0p3]

 Thank you for working with a noob. I am not trying to be frustrating, and 
I'm grateful for your help. 

I agree that your stylesheet example shrinks the vertical bar gap between 
individual tabs. I've done a terrible job of explaining what I'm trying to 
shrink, I'm sorry. This is the gap I mean:

[image: TheGAP.png]

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[tw5] Re: How can I shrink the spacing between nested horizontal tabs?

[h0p3]

 Thank you!

Unfortunately, I can't get this to work. Your code in a blank TW doesn't 
modify the gap between two or more different nested horizontal tabs. It 
does have an effect between tabs on a single line though. I don't see what 
needs to change from inspection either. 

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[tw5] How can I shrink the spacing between nested horizontal tabs?

[h0p3]

How I can shrink the spacing between nested horizontal tabs? I'm thinking 
about moving toward nesting trees of tabs in my sidebar because I like the 
top-down model. I use it to great effect in my desktop environment, and I 
want it in my wiki . Unfortunately, the spacing 
is offputting, and it's not an efficient use of space.

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: AliasTids - one tiddler, many titles

[h0p3]

Awesome work, thank you. Aliasing is an important part of my wiki, but I 
can't say I undersatnd the issues well enough. Does your tool differ in a 
crucial respect from https://mklauber.github.io/tw5-plugins/#Aliases ? I am 
also on the hunt for aliasing which works with search, and which is 
lightweight enough to not freeze out linked-to referencing from tiddler 
info.





On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 8:31:56 PM UTC-4, Mat wrote:
>
> From the crypts, Mr von TWaddle has burned up yet a few brain cells for 
> the benefit of his fellow *tiddleurs*...
> ...and thus proudly presents
>
> AliasTids 
>
> This is a new approach to aliases with the main benefit that it is very 
> simple
> to use and it doesn't distract your writing: Just type links like normal!
>
> There is a small issue which is *not* part of the main functionality. You 
> can see it
> in the *bonus* tiddler AliasesOverview. I'm announcing this thing anyway
> hoping  that some friendly soul can help out with that issue.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Plausible deniability

[h0p3]

Plausible deniability seems to work best when you can present legitimate 
appearing content. I wouldn't want it blank; I'd want it to say something 
innocuous (even if slightly embarrassing). I would still keep the real 
content encrypted since you won't be editing unless you know no one is 
looking, and especially because it can otherwise show up in searches (or 
you need to fix that). I'm a fan of steganography, but encryption is 
necessary.

I'm also reminded of this: 
https://www.truecrypt71a.com/documentation/plausible-deniability/ (which is 
real plausible deniability).

Perhaps you should reconsider how to resolve shoulder-surfing and/or others 
using your computer here (there's no perfect solution, if you want to go 
all the way down the rabbithole). I'm not convinced unifying your public 
and private content is going to be easy. I think it's easy to screw up 
using single-tiddler encryption too (I shouldn't have to remember to lock 
the door in this case), else I'd use my wiki quite differently.

I'm going to recommend using two wikis. If you really need to unify them 
(which I  strongly appreciate), you can. In that 
case, have one public and one public+private. Most of the time you can edit 
public and there's literally nothing to worry about (even given an 
adversary familiar with TW). When you need to do something private (which 
can be secured in many ways), import the public into it and continue your 
mixed public+private work, then export the public again (I'd probably keep 
private tagged). This allows you to keep the private wiki content secured 
and still keep your public wiki integrated into it when you decide you are 
in a safe place to edit private content (you will still have to be mindful 
about how you mix content, but that was always a given).



On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 8:50:18 AM UTC-4, passingby wrote:
>
> Is there a way (probably using the reveal widget?) to replace the contents 
> of a tiddler with some standard text based upon a state tiddler? 
> Perhaps something like this: 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/07WVZmjsopE/zWa7_aKZBAAJ ?
>
> What I was is to hide the actual content of a tiddler and replace it with 
> some standard text "Enter your text here..". The hidden mode should work 
> both in view and edit mode. 
>
> I understand that I can just hide the actual tiddler itself too, but I do 
> not want to do that. For example in my side bar menu of 'thoughts & ideas' 
> I need to add some ideas which I do not want anyone to read. But they need 
> to be under that menu item because I do not want to keep idea tiddlers in 
> two places.
>

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[tw5] Re: Font in Text Editor

[h0p3]

I had a similar problem, but it might not be the same (I have a custom 
embedded font, and I can't say if the same effect is occurring in your 
case). I use both of these: 
https://philosopher.life/#%24%3A%2F_toggle-editor-toolbar_preview:%24%3A%2F_toggle-editor-toolbar_preview%20%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fdanielo%2FkeyboardSnippets

The toggle allows you to have your custom font, and the keyboard snippets 
will give back your hotkeys which are broken by the toggle. This may cost 
you access to other plugins.

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[tw5] Re: Kindly help to start

[h0p3]

Hey Norbert,

I've fired up an Ubuntu VM with you. I think the easiest way to use TW on 
Linux will be through the nodejs server. You can find instructions here: 
https://tiddlywiki.com/static/Installing%2520TiddlyWiki%2520on%2520Node.js.html

Here's a quick and dirty way to do it in your terminal:

sudo apt install nodejs npm -y
sudo npm install -g tiddlywiki
mkdir wiki
tiddlywiki wiki --init server
tiddlywiki wiki --listen &


Head to 127.0.0.1:8080 in your browser (you can make lots of bookmarks into 
your wiki).

Run it at startup with crontab or Ubuntu's startup applications wizard 
(make sure to change USERNAME in the path):

@reboot /usr/local/bin/tiddlywiki /home/USERNAME/wiki --server


I strongly urge you to automatically and constantly backup your tiddlywiki 
files.

On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 11:30:53 PM UTC-4, Norbert Klein wrote:
>
>
> My name is Norbert KLEIN, I am living in Cambodia, and having weak 
> Internet 
> connection. I am 85 years old (but still somewhat alive ;-) 
>
> Using Ubuntu 18.04.1 (and always Linux since several years). 
>
> I read about TiddlyWiki, subscribed to the GoogleGroup - but I still 
> cannot get started. 
>
> I follow what I understand is the instruction, to start an empty TW 
> file, and I set Firefox as the program to store files - but my computer 
> stops there. 
>
>
> I would very much appreciate if there would be somebody on the list to 
> provide me one-to-one guidance to help me get started. 
>
> Thank you very much. 
>
>
> Norbert KLEIN 
>
> nhk...@gmx.net  
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Saving in chrome

[h0p3]

I tried again a while back since I'm a fan of Chromium's extensions. In 
general, it keeps getting harder to save TW for me. Currently, the only 
method that works for me on Chromium is through a node server. 
Unfortunately, I run into lots of saving errors and lag from servers too 
though (savetrail plugin is an absolute necessity for me). The singlefile 
option has been hands-down the most reliable back when I used it, but I've 
not found a clean way to do it in Chromium anymore. 

On Friday, May 10, 2019 at 3:28:45 AM UTC-4, A Sklpns wrote:
>
> Hello TW friends.
> I am looking for a simple way to save both TW5 and TWC files under Google 
> Chrome.
> Something like the File Backups addon I use with Firefox (works great!).
> Tried the savetiddlers Chrome extension 
> (https://github.com/buggyj/savetiddlers) 
> 
> but most of the time it doesn't save TW5's in a Google Drive folder 
> (insufficients permissions error)
> and it never saves TWC.
> Any ideas? Is there possibly as simple a solution for Chrome as Firefox's 
> File Backups addon?
>
> Thanks in advance
> sklpns
>

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[tw5] Re: Create a temporary or arbitrary doorway into TW with input from the URL.

[h0p3]

Wonderful! Thank you!

On Friday, April 26, 2019 at 1:52:50 PM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:
>
> What is the FOOBAR in your item descriptions? You can pretty much pass 
> anything that you would pass in a filter:
>
> ** Opens in story river. Note the day notation has to be without dots for 
> "sameday" to work:
>
> https://philosopher.life/#:[sameday[20190421]]
>
> ** Search for python : 
>
> https://philosopher.life/#:[search[Python]]
>
>
> ** Link to a filter expression based search for all Prompted 
> Introspections which mention "Vacation":  
>
> Note that you have to convert spaces to %20 in order to pass them as 
> URL's. This could be done in a macro, possibly, using the url-encode filter.
>
>
> https://philosopher.life/#:[search:title[Prompted%20Introspection]search:text[Vacation]]
>
> You can select tiddlers that contain mode settings, but I would be 
> surprised if you could set them with a url. That would require a on-open 
> action tiddler, I think. Is there such a thing?
>
> Good luck!
> -- Mark
>

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[tw5] Create a temporary or arbitrary doorway into TW with input from the URL.

[h0p3]

I'm sorry that I don't even know how to ask this question correctly. Is 
there a way to create a temporary or arbitrary doorway into TW with "input" 
from the URL? I have no idea if this is possible, but perhaps it may be 
something most people already know how to do. I'm clueless.

* I would like to embed a search term or filter expression into a link to 
my wiki which would show the results.
** Here's a link to a list of everything I wrote on 2019.04.21:
*** https://philosopher.life/#:FOOBAR?2019.04.21
** Here's a link to everything I wrote on 2019.04.21 opened in the 
storyriver:
*** https://philosopher.life/#:FOOBAR?OPENINSTORYRIVER?2019.04.21
** Here's a link to a search for python on my wiki: 
*** https://philosopher.life/#:FOOBAR?Python
** Here's a link to a filter expression based search for all Prompted 
Introspections which mention "Vacation": 
*** https://philosopher.life/#:FOOBAR?[search:title[Prompted 
Introspection]search:text[Vacation]]

* I want to select a look or mode from the URL.
** https://philosopher.life/#:FOOBAR?Nightmode
** https://philosopher.life/#:FOOBAR?Dyslexicmode
** https://philosopher.life/#:FOOBAR?Fontsize=15,Mentat=On,HideSwearWords=On

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[tw5] Re: TonyM - Sharing current thoughts and activities in TiddlyWiki

[h0p3]

* https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/4aCyZ3FAq9U
* 
https://philosopher.life/#2019.03.19%20-%20TWGGF%3A%20TonyM's%20Current%20Activities

Hey TonyM! 

Wow! You are working on so much. It's intense. I may not fully understand 
all of it (sorry, I'm slow, and I'm not an expert or an IT pro). One thing, 
in particular, has caught my eye:

<<<
''I am working on a method to allow a TiddlyWiki multiple user editors''
 
This is when more than one person has update access to the same wiki file
I am using the following to enable this 

* the local storage plugin
* A Save reload and save mechanism
** using Startup actions
* Possibly the innerwiki plugin
* Possibly a tiddler encryption step
<<<

I know you are wildly more effective in using TW and Bob. I probably have 
an overly narrow use of Bob (especially since I try to maintain a single 
wiki). I use Bob because it allows multiple devices and browsers/tabs per 
device to edit the same wiki. Sometimes I need multiple windows into my 
wiki, and Bob is the only tool I've found which enables it. I've also been 
trying to find ways to make use of the 2-way sync between browser and 
filesystem, but I've shockingly found it unnecessary so far.

I am grateful for the opportunity to use Bob. It's changed my life (and I 
practically live in my wiki). It is my uneducated opinion that singlefile 
tiddlywiki is the best scaling and highest performing option by miles. My 
experience gets bogged down when I use Bob (and I assume nodejs is the 
culprit). With a large enough wiki, it's slow, and I even have plugins that 
only work in singlefile. It seems hard to beat the browser's engine with a 
singlefile. 

* I'm just checking to make sure I understand: your approach will enable 
multiple devices and multiple tabs, right?
** As in: I can have multiple stories rivers going, and that's fine. It 
just won't update in my browser so I have to generally only have a 
particular tiddler open in only one tab at a time, right?
* Beyond what may be race conditions, do you foresee any concerns with 
network file-synchronization?
* What are the limits of local storage?
* Your tool may be novel enough that it affects things I've not realized: 
what might those be?
* How browser and OS agnostic would this plugin be?
* Would you be able to do any kind of versioning or backup with this?
** I'm still a fan of TiddlyBackup, even though I can't use it anymore.
* Will this method last? Do you think browsers will maintain this method?
** What are the risks in trusting local storage?

I'm excited by the possibility of your method. The performance gains would 
be massive. It might also solve a problem I've had in nodejs for 
cryptographic signing (since nodejs does not output the same as the 
browser). In any case, I'd like to know more!

On Tuesday, March 19, 2019 at 9:40:04 PM UTC-4, TonyM wrote:
>
> Folks,I just wanted to share some of my activities should anyone which to 
> be involved, or at least express a view point. Perhaps start a new thread 
> or a detailed discussion on any of these.
>
> I know there is on the surface similar solutions out there, however I am 
> trying to build this as a simple to use add on, that can be used with many 
> other editions and plugins.
>
> HTML imput types (that work in edit-text widget)I have found a number of 
> html input types that work well with the edit-text widget to edit fields 
> these include those in the attached image/tiddlerIn theses examples I am 
> editing a tiddler with the same name as the "input type" but you can edit 
> fields in the current tiddler, if its done from elsewhere
>
> [image: input-types.jpg]
>
> Update mode below overcomes this and allows you to edit the current 
> fields, in the currently displayed tiddler
>
> Time is almost working but I can't edit seconds.
>
> I am working on an alternate way to "view" tiddlers called "update mode"
>
>I hide the standard tiddler edit button behind more (which you can 
>always access there)I replace the standard edit button that looks 
>exactly the samehowever if the tiddler is capable of update mode, it 
>looks different and clicking it places it in update mode or back to view 
>modeIn Update mode the view text becomes a preview and all or selected 
>fields become editableYou can select to edit
>
>all custom fields
>A set of fields based on the value in a specific field eg; tiddler-type
>A Unique set of fields defined just for that tiddler.
>I am keen to extend this update mode to
>
>
>
>- Allows fields to be defined for use in one or more forms
>- Provide a form view mode
>
> I want to extend the update mode to manage and create children as wellIf 
> and when tiddlers have children as defined by any filter/field or tagEasy 
> ways to list, create, disconnectI am refining a new tiddler from template 
> toolThis allows a predefined template to be used when creating tiddlers 
> of a particular tiddler-typeTo 

[tw5] Re: Tiddler Commander

[h0p3]

You make an excellent argument. You've changed my mind. I want to modify my 
claim in light of it. 

<<<
On Commander and Empty.html, I would not want Commander, ideally not even 
tag manager and Tiddler manager in the core and thus always in empty.html 
because what ever I build should not automatically contain components which 
end users may use to break the designed wiki. Sure they may be included via 
plugins in a standard.html edition, but as plugins I can "chose to remove"
<<<

I can appreciate that. This reminds me of Linux distributions quite a bit. 
Part of the reason some distributions are more popular than others is 
because the barrier to entry is simply lower. There's a reason I hand a 
Fedora, Ubuntu, or Manjaro to someone instead of an Arch, NixOS, or Gentoo 
to most people interested in trying Linux. 

Sometimes I want a base, stripped-down, absolute bare minimal installation 
so I can develop exactly and only what I need in that system. In most 
cases, however, the average user (including me) benefits from a batteries 
loaded installation; they shouldn't have to bootstrap or build out from 
scratch. They shouldn't have to be an architect, nor should they have to 
install the python interpreter or openssh. Many kinds of tools should 
already be there for the average user.

I think your argument demonstrates the need for at least two builds sitting 
on the frontpage of https://tiddlywiki.com/:

* Bare Minimal Core
* Standard Distribution

My claim is that a tool like Commander belongs in a standard, 
one-size-attempts-to-fit-all version. Part of maximizing TW uptake is 
making it generally functional from the get go. Exactly what belongs in the 
standard distribution is something which should be debated.

<<<
A new possibility I can see using designed wiki templates, (or the proposed 
innerwiki plugin to run) is to publish a complete.html edition that 
includes tiddlywiki.com and additional plugins like commander and has a set 
of recipes that allows the user to export any of a set of standard 
editions. My New User Edition is somewhat similar but adds tools for the 
tiddlywiki student to maintain their own notes.
<<<

An architect tool would be sick. Unless they are walking through a 
tutorial, I still think the first TW a newer user downloads should be a  
batteries-loaded one. After gaining experience, when they know more 
precisely what they want, then going either minimal core or using the 
complete architect makes far more sense.

I also like how there are custom TW's built for specifically one purpose. 
That's also good. We still need a generalist that "just works."

A "bloated" standard install should be the default for newcomers. They can 
optimize and compatibilize later if it matters (I suggest it won't most of 
the time).

<<<
Perhaps if we had deemphasised the empty.html prior to now, you would be 
putting an argument if commander should be in empty.html or standard html 
but in either case it should be a removable plugin and/or bundle.

I do not think it should be the intention to install any optional tool in 
the core.
<<<

I agree to that. Keep the core as clean and minimal as possible. Have the 
package management do all the heavy lifting. Make it so users can strip 
things out of the standard distribution if they wanted to. A tool like 
Commander should be a default, didn't even have to install it, it's assumed 
you have it unless you specifically removed it (or went custom from the 
beginning) kind of tool in a standard, batteries-loaded distribution. 

Commander, or a tool like it, would be a strong tiddler management tool 
which standard users shouldn't have to hunt to find and install. Every 
standard OS should come with a high-functioning file manager, and every 
standard TW should come with a high-functioning tiddler manager. 

On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 7:04:49 PM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>
> This question of "In the Core" is a repeating one and I believe often a 
> source of unnecessary debate. I hope I can shed a little light on it here 
> from my perspective.
>
> The key phrase I believe is "chose to remove"
>
>
>- When something is in the core is is not removable from TiddlyWiki, 
>even if it may be hidden by overwriting shadow tiddlers.
>- People often confuse empty.html as representing the core, when in 
>fact this is the minimum usable wiki, and yes, unless it is in the core it 
>is unlikely to be seen in empty.html
>- By popular demand anything can be included in empty.html but by 
>definition it should remain a minimum usable wiki.
>- I believe we should de-emphasise empty.html as a "developers minimum 
>usable wiki" and provide other editions for new users, learners, editors 
>etc... These editions would include the contents TOC and plugins that 
>customise tiddlywiki for the target audience. For example commander could 
>be in a standard.html edition or a designers.html edition.
>
> On 

[tw5] Re: Tiddler Commander

[h0p3]

* https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/w9Bv-WulKw8
* https://philosopher.life/#2019.02.12%20-%20TWGGF%3A%20Commander

This is the perfect tool for someone who uses TW like I do. I have to 
massage my wiki. Thank you for making this gorgeous tool. I want to kiss 
your feet. I //strongly// agree: the functionality of this tool should be 
in the core. It's absurdly useful. It appears to be the second coming of 
TiddlerTool. I will joyously be testing it out.

I have no expectations; I'm grateful to have the chance to use your 
software. What I want or would use, of course, may not be valuable to this 
project. You've asked for feedback, and I'm going to take the opportunity 
to give you my constructive ideas. 

* Enable search input boxes which do not require filter expressions.
** Filter expression construction increases the cognitive load for the 
user. 
** TiddlyTool was outstanding for this because I could search by title, 
field, or tag, one at a time, to narrow things down.
*** Searching based on specified content in the body would be useful.
*** Searching by date ranges in title prefixes (e.g. .DD.MM - 
.DD.MM) would be useful to some.
** Case sensitivity options may be useful.

* Allow one to manually pick out exceptions.
** The ability to select by checkbox can be extremely useful.
** Applying batch operations to checked or unchecked enables a fuzziness in 
the initial search.
** This may have an unworthy performance penalty.

* Enable the ability to replace specified contents in the bodies of 
tiddlers.

* I would request you optimize for performance.
** I can tell you that once you start hitting thousands of tiddlers, these 
kinds of tools can sometimes become unwieldy and even broken. I have had 
them freeze and crash browsers and node many times.

Your work is dope. Thank you! 

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[tw5] Nodejs and Browsers Aren't Producing Identical Objects

[h0p3]

I want to cryptographically sign my wiki. I use nodejs to compile the html 
file, sign it, embed the signature into the html file, and then serve it 
over a few networks. Some methods transfer a bit-for-bit copy (git, resilio 
sync, ftp, etc.), so the signature verification works in those cases. 
Unfortunately, saving a freshly rendered wiki (https://philosopher.life) 
through a browser does *not* generate a bit-for-bit copy of the original. 
Chrome and FF save the same object, but that object is not identical with 
the output of nodejs. This is a problem; I need to be able to count on 
nodejs and browsers producing identical objects in order for my signature 
to be effective across multiple methods of serving the wiki.

Here's the diff:

3c3
< 
---
> ^M
31336c31336
< text: no
---
> text: yes
31340c31340,31380
< text: yes
---
> text: no
> },
> $:/info/url/full: {
> title: $:/info/url/full,
> text: https://philosopher.life/;
> },
> $:/info/url/host: {
> title: $:/info/url/host,
> text: philosopher.life
> },
> $:/info/url/hostname: {
> title: $:/info/url/hostname,
> text: philosopher.life
> },
> $:/info/url/protocol: {
> title: $:/info/url/protocol,
> text: https:
> },
> $:/info/url/port: {
> title: $:/info/url/port,
> text: 
> },
> $:/info/url/pathname: {
> title: $:/info/url/pathname,
> text: /
> },
> $:/info/url/search: {
> title: $:/info/url/search,
> text: 
> },
> $:/info/url/origin: {
> title: $:/info/url/origin,
> text: https://philosopher.life;
> },
> $:/info/browser/screen/width: {
> title: $:/info/browser/screen/width,
> text: 1920
> },
> $:/info/browser/screen/height: {
> title: $:/info/browser/screen/height,
> text: 1080
275013,275014c275053
< 
< How has your week been? You doing game night at church?How has your w
---
> How has your week been? You doing game night at church?How has your w
278891,278892c278930
< 
< Hey, you doing okay? You've been quiet, imho.
---
> Hey, you doing okay? You've been quiet, imho.
284538,284539c284576
< 
< Thank you for connecting Killcoin and me! I appreciate it.
---
> Thank you for connecting Killcoin and me! I appreciate it.
359206c359243
< 
\ No newline at end of file
---
> \n

Any ideas on how best to fix this?

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[tw5] Re: [theme] Presenting "Mono" theme

[h0p3]

It's stunning! Thank you.



On Sunday, February 3, 2019 at 6:08:01 PM UTC-5, JD wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> JD here, offering a kind of stark theme that incorporates my most personal 
> needs for a writing interface:
>
> [x] Sidebar to the <- left
> [x] Built-in mobile layout
> [x] Centered story river (when sidebar is closed)
> [x] Sidebar segments visibility toggler at Control Panel 
> [x] TopLeftBar buttons visibility toggler at Control Panel 
> [x] EmptyStoryMessage template
> [x] Splashcreen template
> [x] TiddlerFrame style
> [x] AdvancedSearch tabs on TopRightBar searchbar
> [x] TopRightBar searchbar you can create a tiddler from like NTFS or NTFS19
> [x] Font scroller button
> [x] Day/night palete switcher button
>
>
> *Here is the main conceit of the mobile UI:*
>
> The main change has been to TopBarLeft and TopBarRight. They are still 
> separated, but are now contained in a wrapper, like this:
>
>
> 
> 
> (items tagged $:/tags/TopLeftBar)
> 
> 
> (items tagged $:/tags/TopRightBar)
> 
> 
>
>
> On desktop, the wrapper, tc-topbar, is by default arranged in a row... 
> but on mobile it has this: flex-wrap: wrap;... so if tc-topbar-left has 
> width: 
> 100%;, tc-topbar-right will automatically be stacked below it.
>
>
> By combining the left and right topbars, the special class 
> tc-adjust-top-of-scroll is now incorporated to both 
> the TopBarLeft and TopBarRight templates. This is especially useful for 
> mobile UI.
>
>
> I might extract just this bit into the next iteration of my MobilePlugin, 
> albeit it will only be for TW5.1.19 and above.
>
>
> You can try it out, and install from here:
>
>
> http://j.d.mono.tiddlyspot.com/
>
>
> A future update would be this:
>
>
> [ ] hoverable buttons <- for next update
>
> [ ] hoverable topbar on desktop <- for next update
>
>  and some other stuff I'm forgetting right now
>
>
> I've been using this with BTC's app, and it works so nice so I'm sharing 
> this with you all :D
>
>
> -jd
>
>
> P.S.: 
>
>
> Shoutout to BTC and his amazing development! I love it and it's great with 
> an automatic GoogleDrive android->desktop syncer
>
>
> Thank you everyone for the inspiration!
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Main problem of TiddlyWiki site - is bad Google indexation.

[h0p3]

* https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/MhVsFURHpoM
* 
https://philosopher.life/#2019.01.01%20-%20TWGGF%3A%20Google's%20Incentives

I've waited a while to respond to this. I might as well join. 

Imho, Google's indexing isn't just poor for https://tiddlywiki.com/ but for 
all TWs. I grant SEO can be improved for TW, but I am not convinced this 
problem is going to be solved anytime soon (and most likely not at all).

I'm fairly cynical about the matter. Google has enormous incentives to 
punish us for not channeling and packaging content into 
mobile/cache-friendly formats, static tooling, oversimplified atoms of 
content, and models which maximize their profits. Given their dominance, 
they can force others to play by their rules, and you won't defeat them on 
their own turf. They aim to optimize how we build their walled-garden for 
them,<> track and model users efficiently, and control the masses 
through a world-class advertisement machine.<> They don't want you 
to own your identities except insofar as it benefits them. They don't want 
you to have dynamic control over your data because it's not price efficient 
for them (static is cheaper to handle) and they also want you to pay 
(directly or indirectly) for the privilege of using services on or built in 
virtue of their infrastructure instead.<>

TW embodies the hacker ethic: it is antithetical to Google's ends (and the 
means to those ends). They have no incentive to enable the decentralization 
of information power except insofar as it has asymmetrically disrupted 
their competition. I expect we will continue to be punished for trying to 
own our data with a tool like TW. Perhaps that will change one day; TW 
would need to become mainstream enough for them to find it worth 
specifically parsing, mapping, etc.<>

If SEO matters to you, you are likely relegated to using TW as a CMS or 
development environment but never as the complete final product. It is 
possible that TW still isn't the best pick there either.

I hate to say it, but I think TW is the wrong tool for the job even if 
that's not TW's fault.


---
<>

<>

<>

<>



On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 1:26:47 AM UTC-5, Siniy-Kit wrote:
>
> For example open Google and write "This plugin adds the ability to 
> display mathematical notation written in LaTeX."  
>
> I see tiddlywiki.com only on 7 position (not too good) in my national 
> search it  is on first position.  if we click this position we will see 
> this https://tiddlywiki.com/static/KaTeX%2520Plugin.html  very nice 
> static page with 2 links. First link to tiddlywiki.com and second link to 
> 404 "file not find"  
>
> TiddlyWiki is great, but "static" mechanism is very old. 
> First of all this page https://tiddlywiki.com/static/KaTeX%2520Plugin.html 
> must have right menu.
> And the  second -  all links in "static" pages must look like  https://tiddlywiki.com/static/KaTeX%2520Plugin.html; onclick=
> "window.open('https://tiddlywiki.com/#KaTeX%20Plugin')"">KaTeX Plugin 
>
>
> Google will index this link in a proper way, and people will see main 
> tiddlywiki.com after click on any link.
>

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[tw5] Re: Query -- What are your favourite TiddlyWiki in the wild?

[h0p3]

* https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/tpg-qzVbWFw
* https://philosopher.life/#2019.01.06%20-%20TWGGF%3A%20Wikis

---

https://sphygm.us/

I visit her wiki all the time.

I've [[been thinking|2018.11.21 - Sphygmus: Thanksgiving]] about whether or 
not I should say anything. I would like to nominate some version of 
[[Sphygmus]]' wiki's flexbox to be incorporated into the default empty 
tiddlywiki. It looks and functions better out of the box than vanilla. I 
think her experience should be the default, and I think more people would 
use TW if they opened their first wiki and sat in her driver's seat.



On Saturday, January 5, 2019 at 8:42:26 AM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> It would be nice to create a solid library of example TiddlyWiki.
>
> What are your favourites?
>

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[tw5] Re: The Longevity Myth ... [thoughts]

[h0p3]

The wetware biotech immortal jellyfish facehugger wiki will consume us all 
like The Blight, spreading unstoppably, injecting it's memes into 
everything and everyone. It will sublate everything in The Dialectic! Oh 
noes! Archivists of the future will need special suits and containment 
fields.

On Thursday, December 27, 2018 at 10:45:29 PM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I just realized what the ultimate solution is to having your most precious 
> archives preserved for all, or nearly all, eternity. Anything based purely 
> on recording on some substrate (rock, paper, plastic, silicon) will
>
> 1) Breakdown
> 2) Never be discovered.
>
> So you need something that will continuously repair itself, AND 
> continuously present itself for inspection.
>
> The answer is to transcribe you records into DNA. Then transfer the DNA 
> into field mice, or rats. Then release them. Now your archives will be 
> continually recreating themselves and spreading themselves around the globe 
> and maybe even into space. Eventually they will come to the attention of 
> some future researcher, who will have your thoughts decoded just to see 
> who's been messing with his specimens.
>
> -- Mark
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[tw5] Re: The Longevity Myth ... [thoughts]

[h0p3]

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* https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/sYNTSAu2u5M
* 
https://philosopher.life/#2018.12.27%20-%20TWGGF%3A%20Archiving:%5B%5B2018.12.27%20-%20TWGGF%3A%20Archiving%5D%5D

It must be said, we're in radical conjecture territory here. Even if you 
are understandably only half-joking, I'll try to give you a serious (yet 
obviously [[fallible and flawed|fff]]) answer.

I write my wiki primarily to myself, and I consider my data (including my 
wiki) to be an extension of my identity. Even if I suck at it, using my 
wiki is how I want to think.<> It will have done its job if it 
serves me until I die: everything else is grace and gravy. Of course, I 
would be flattered if my wiki could be of interest to [[others]],<> and I aim to {[[help]]} them as best I can. 

<<<
There is an interesting MYTHOS in modern online working that touches 
TiddlyWiki too ...

That commiting a TW is an act of "archival frucitude".
<<<

You'll have to forgive me. I might not be interpreting "frucitude" 
correctly. I'm assuming you mean it is fruity, looney, or wrongheaded. I'm 
going to infer that until you correct me. Your question lures me into 
providing my crazy answer to it (//surprise!//).

`"Resident paranoid autistic-schizoid desert madman reporting in for duty, 
sir!"; /salute` 

My wiki is intensely personal: it's my avatar. Archiving matters a great 
deal to me, even if only for me and my [[family|The Others]] (I doubt 
anyone besides my kids might care about this wiki 60 years from now). My 
preservation goal is easier than the one you've set out. If someone else 
thought it worthy enough to preserve my work after I'm done with it, they 
will find a way. Imho, I make it easy enough.<>

I think your concern is with digital preservation, not just online work. 
Obviously, an enormous amount of data has been lost, and our rate of 
production continues to skyrocket. It is difficult to create or define what 
is [[salient]] in the unending flood of information.<>

Digital preservation is a non-trivial problem, although analog is no picnic 
either. 

My wife is a librarian, and they just found an obsolete analog record in 
their archives for which there is no reading device anymore (you might have 
to custom build something to read it at this point). One lesson to draw: 
archiving on paper is a reasonable way to go. Thus, I am trying to print a 
copy each year,<> and I'll be keeping it out of light, heat, 
oxygen, and moisture.<<> I'm currently designing my wiki to 
hard/firmcode all the content (including my lists) so that it can be viably 
read from the source code (which enables several digital portability 
properties as well); I'm trying my best not to give that up.

There are a number of digital ways I preserve my wiki too.

<<<
The problem is the barriers ...

1 - after you left this vorple coil WHO will renew your internet 
account forever?
<<<

I know you are joking, and I will jokingly ask: what makes you think you 
need an internet account?<>

There are 10,000 ways to transfer files, and TW's compilation-portability 
is exceptional. If you can make any digital thing live on or offline 
against the sands of time, entropy, and censorship, TW seems a good pick 
(especially if you stick to plaintext content). Of course, I can just 
e-mail the complete document, upload it to random FTP servers with a bot, 
push it across messaging apps, compress and print my wiki into a sequence 
of QR codes onto a small stack of paper, encode my wiki into [[zero-width 
characters|Invisign]] which are then steganographically smuggled into 
digital documents I suspect may last a long time, append it to maymays to 
distribute on imageboards,<> throw it on yet another blockchain, 
pastebin it, sneakernet it with USBs, and serve it on any filehosting 
solution. Almost anyone can serve my wiki on almost any platform (even 
unintentionally in some cases).<> I posit that TW is born for 
easy decentralization because it is so self-contained and can run in a 
virtual machine on practically every computer on the planet.

Unless those who govern the centralization of information prevent it (or 
exploit its development), it is possible that computation will decentralize 
yet again. If a torrent can live for 15 years, maybe it can live for 150. 
Maybe dat, IPFS, or [[some other contender|Outopos]] will make it so we 
host each other's identities and metadata in [[Tit For Two Tats]] 
cooperation.<> I am not optimistic here, but if a new 
generation of //commonly// used federated and P2P tooling comes out, TW 
will easily live on in it.

Some archive steps I take besides printing:

* All the regular backups and redundancies.
* https://github.com/m6ram/<>
* https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://philosopher.life/
* P2P redundancies (each with their own archives); some run by family and 
friends.
* Occasional USB backups, and I physically hand these to some people for 
safe keeping.

Digital archiving will 

[tw5] Browser Extensions Enhancing TW

[h0p3]

I'm moving to Chromium as the primary browser I use specifically for 
editing my wiki (it's not where I do my browsing). When I'm in the driver's 
seat, sometimes my browser's extensions are just as useful as my TW plugins 
(it's like having a second set of plugins, imho). I'm hunting for 
extensions suitable for TW. I thought it might be worth asking: what do you 
use?


I'll start us off with some extensions.

   - Navigation
  - Scrollanywhere
  - Modeless Keyboard Navigation
   - Stop Annoying Me
  - Downloads OverWrite Already Existing Files
  - Disable Download Bar
  - New Tab Redirect
   - Grammar, Vocabulary, Writing Style
  - Grammarly
  - Google Dictionary
  - ProWriting Aid
  - Quillbot
  - Grammar.com
  - Thesaurus: Synonym 4 Right Click
   - Move to Text Editor
  - Edit with Sublime Text
  - Edit with VIM text editor
   - Autocompletion
  - Auto Text Expander
  - Find & Replace for Text Editing
  - ProKeys
  - Text Blaze
   

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[tw5] Re: Bob on Linux trouble getting started

[h0p3]

It is possible I have no idea what I'm doing. In fact, that's why I'm 
approaching this hedged-conservatively.

I'd prefer to make sure we do not contaminate each other's work or 
processes (in the immortal words of The Offspring: "You gotta keep 'em 
separated."). It is possible one of us could accidentally affect the other, 
and this seemed to be a safer route.

Modularizing the setup makes it so that someone can change their mind about 
how they want it done without much trouble. Switching my wife back to 
singlefile mode (we kept all the singlefile infrastructure in place and 
added Bob as a backend with a script to output the singlefile each minute 
for distribution) just took commenting two lines on crontab and killing her 
Bob process; we can turn it back on about that easily as well. We've also 
set up instant staging with a script for Bob in order to spin up new Bob 
instances painlessly so that we can experiment and because we were having 
trouble upgrading Bob.

The ability to spin up multiple wikis is something I want for each of us, 
and I don't want it intermingled. I want to hand the full power of Bob to 
each person. Perhaps relatedly, I am considering the possibility that 
permissions and P2P/Federation structures may be built leveraging multiple 
wikis as well. I simply don't know enough about it, and this seemed kosher 
to me.

I've crashed my Bob server a few times so far, and I don't want other 
people to lose their access or work because I broke mine (and vice versa). 
I encounter the browser nag which asks if my process has stalled/wait often 
enough, and I never want anyone touching my maxed out core (I simply don't 
know how multi-threaded the tooling is either). Process 
compartmentalization seems to have helped here. 

Of course, I may be thinking about this all wrongheaded. I'm grateful for 
your thinking about this with me.

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 5:01:51 PM UTC-5, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Not to derail the conversation too much, but why do you have different 
> instances for each person?
>

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[tw5] Re: Bob on Linux trouble getting started

[h0p3]

Correct! It will cost you a few lines in the terminal to get it up and 
running, and it's easy to reproduce in every environment I've used. I don't 
know if this is the correct practice, but I'm running a Bob instance on 
different ports for each family member on my machine (though my wife wants 
to go back to singlefile for remote networking performance reasons). I run 
it from cron and have some other scripting too. I still have a ton to learn 
about this tool, but I don't see what advantage the executable would have 
for me in the long run.

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 3:54:52 PM UTC-5, Dave wrote:
>
> Thanks Jed, I'll try that.
>
> Also h0p3, by "use it manually" do you mean by the "plugin" method rather 
> than the "exe" version?
>

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[tw5] Re: Bob on Linux trouble getting started

[h0p3]

 Disclaimer: I am grateful to have the chance to use this software. I see 
it as my responsibility to get software working on my machines, and I do 
not mean to even imply an entitled attitude here (the chance to use Bob is 
a gift). Furthermore, I'm new to Bob (Jed knows what he's doing).

Looking through my Wiki Audit notes, I can tell you that I was unable to 
get BobEXE to run on Ubuntu servers or i3 Manjaro (each with different 
errors). Running it manually, however, has worked nicely for me on various 
linux machines. My noob recommendation is to do it manually.

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[tw5] Re: $(currentTiddler)$ and "Title of new journal tiddlers"

[h0p3]

Thank you all! It doesn't matter anymore, but I have experienced some bugs 
with $(currentTiddler)$ in 5.1.17; I couldn't figure out a reason for these 
very rare vowel substitutions ("a" became "4" sometimes). In any case, I am 
grateful to have a superior tool to replace it.



On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 6:14:13 PM UTC-5, h0p3 wrote:
>
> In 5.1.17, I use the following for Title of new journal tiddlers (
> $:/config/NewJournal/Title 
> <http://127.0.0.1:8080/#%24%3A%2Fconfig%2FNewJournal%2FTitle>):
>
> .0MM.0DD - $(currentTiddler)$: 
>
> When I upgrade to 5.1.18, it gives me the output:
>
> 2018.12.12 - $(currentTiddler)$: 
>
> How can I gain the original functionality back?
>

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[tw5] $(currentTiddler)$ and "Title of new journal tiddlers"

[h0p3]

In 5.1.17, I use the following for Title of new journal tiddlers (
$:/config/NewJournal/Title 
):

.0MM.0DD - $(currentTiddler)$: 

When I upgrade to 5.1.18, it gives me the output:

2018.12.12 - $(currentTiddler)$: 

How can I gain the original functionality back?

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[tw5] Re: "non-linear personal web notebook" or "non-linear platform"

[h0p3]

Non-linearity means you don't have have to get it exactly right the first 
time because you can execute construction out of order with TW. It enables 
you to handle the mistakes you couldn't have known were mistakes until you 
got to the other side; it allows you to build what you didn't even realize 
you wanted to build in the beginning. Its non-linearity might just be its 
low-friction flexible syntactic and semantic hackability; it is the Unix 
philosophy's principles incarnate once again. TW's non-linearity is a 
doorway to harnessing the ergodic beauty of hypertext. TW's non-linearity 
gives rise to evolving contexts, perspectives, and rhizomes; it means your 
work in TW can transcend itself again and again. 

Make way for the panacea of hypertext! Our savior is here! Make a joyful 
noise! Shout from the rooftops! Rejoice!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfe8tCcHnKY


On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 11:39:11 AM UTC-5, S. S. wrote:
>
> *A non-linear personal web notebook*
>
> dictionary.com  has a 9 
> meanings for *linear*, and 10 examples from the web for *non-linear*.
> It shows the origin of *linear* as first recorded in 1635–45: *linear is 
> from the Latin word līneāris of, belonging to lines.*
>
> etymonline.com  shows the 
> origin of *non-linear* as being from 1844.
>
> Though I understand all the dictionary definitions, it occurred to me, 
> that I do not understand what is being meant by the words – *non-linear* 
> when referring to TiddlyWiki.
>
> What meanings do *non-linear* have to you in the context of TiddlyWiki?
>
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddler Jail

[h0p3]

 Awesome. Thank you! I'll need to think about the filtering issue. I do not 
know, but perhaps I will need to develop safer and more stringent filtering 
practices. The responsibility to safely import ultimately rests upon me, I 
realize.

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[tw5] Re: Tiddler Jail

[h0p3]

I am always a joy to hear from you, Jed. Even though I've spent a lot of 
time in my wiki, I'm still basically just a beginner. You are one of the 
gurus here that I am fortunate enough to have the chance to learn from. 
Thank you for such a solid answer (and I will gratefully take every scrap 
of knowledge you are willing to offer).

I have officially migrated to Bob today! I'm still pumping out them single 
files, but I'm loving this luxury (when I'm not broke as fuck, I will be 
donating, sir; it seems likely to me that your software is the future of 
developing TW, imho).

I do not intend to import from the wiki but from outside because Bob makes 
that a pleasant experience. I was thinking about writing a sanitization 
tool to strip (among other things) unacceptable tag, fields, CSS, and 
buttons before pushing .tid files into the tiddler directory, although I'm 
not sure what I will actually need to strip out for CSS. But, from the 
sounds of it, Bob's server images plugin may be a better tool.

I serve my wiki as a static index html file, and I aim to keep it that way. 
I intend to enable extended family, friends, and perhaps even strangers to 
safely write into my wiki (and to enable me to write in theirs if they so 
choose) through some kind of P2P or Federated network (resilio sync, dat, 
IPFS, and tox are my primary contenders right now [why not all?]), but I 
may also scrape singlefile wikis. I'm still not sure how I want to do it, 
especially since I'm brand new to Bob (it appears there are many ways to do 
this using Bob, and I may not have the best one). This is the fuzzy idea so 
far. TWederation based on something like DHT (where the key rather than 
control of a domain name) is what I'm shooting for. Again, Bob looks like 
the way forward, even though I clearly have no idea what I'm doing.

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[tw5] Tiddler Jail

[h0p3]

Is there an idiomatic way to safely import tiddlers from a stranger into a 
jail or sandbox in my wiki? Is there a way to automatically quarantine a 
tiddler (say based upon its tags) so that it has no ability to write to the 
rest of the wiki or perhaps do anything more programmatic than link and use 
basic TW markup? If at all, how much more dangerous is this problem for me 
if I'm running a tool like Bob (which may have access to my command line)?

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.1.0 Actually Garlic Bagels (still) prerelease

[h0p3]

This works awesomely. Thank you!

On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 6:00:40 PM UTC-5, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Because I haven't gotten around to bumping the version number before 
> building the executables this is still version 1.1.0 with even more 
> updates. Mostly relating to creating new wikis and exporting single file 
> wikis.
>
> It isn't quite to the point were you can seamlessly work with single file 
> wikis as though they are Bob wikis, but it is getting there.
>
> The control panel now has interfaces for creating a wiki using an edition, 
> creating a wiki using an existing single file wiki, creating a wiki using 
> tiddlers taken from existing wiki and adding an existing node wiki to the 
> list of wikis served by Bob so you don't have to use the manual setting to 
> do it.
>
> There is also a button to download a singe file version of the current 
> wiki and documentation about how to do more complex things like downloading 
> a singe file version that only contains some of the tiddlers in the current 
> wiki.
>
> The plugin version of Bob is on GitHub here: 
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob
> The newest version of BobEXE is available here: 
> https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-BobEXE/releases
>
> If you want to support the development OokTech has a patreon page here
> https://www.patreon.com/OokTech
> or if you prefer there is a link for PayPal here
>
> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick_button_id=ZG94CTLHTKYRE
>
> The new changes since the last time I posted about it are listed here:
>
> - Added a check so it shouldn't crash when trying to load a wiki that 
> doesn't work
> - Fixed bug where the wrong port could be listed in the control panel.
> - Added download wiki action widget that downloads the current wiki as a 
> single html file.
>   - By default it removes the Bob plugin and some other plugins that only 
> work with a server.
>   - It can have an `includeFilter` for tiddlers to include, an 
> `excludeFilter` for tiddlers to exclude and a suggested name for the 
> downloaded file.
> - Fixed bug where settings file wouldn't be properly created if it didn't 
> exist
> - Added an action widget that lets you convert a single file wiki into a 
> wiki that can be used by Bob.
> - Added interfaces for the importing/creating and exporting/saving wikis 
> to the control panel.
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[tw5] Re: To Spellcheck or not to spellcheck

[h0p3]

@ Jed

Thank you for building this incredible toolset. It's badass. Among the many 
things it does (and you obviously know more than I do about what it can and 
will be used for), your tool makes Tiddlywiki a realtime GUI terminal for 
me, and it makes scripting outside of javascript for my wiki more 
worthwhile too. I suggest you have defeated some difficult race conditions.

> I just realised that I haven't released a lot of what I made after I got 
frustrated with some things so I haven't released my tools yet. But I have 
made things for Bob that take a single file wiki and split it up into .tid 
files and multiple methods for compiling a single file wiki from Bob. But 
compiling .tids into a single file should be a single button click. The two 
main methods I have right now are a download button that gives you the 
current wiki as a single html file without the Bob plugin or any of the 
server plugins (so like the download empty button on tiddlywiki.com, but it 
downloads the current wiki) and one that can take tiddlers from any of the 
wikis served by Bob and complies them into a single html file.

I will gladly click. I'll likely be running a bare minimum OS and browser 
with automated clicking inside a virtual machine to do it though. I just 
saw you had a release today. I'm excited to use it.

> So using Bob to edit and have it give you a single file wiki is possible, 
I just never got around to publishing it.

I am grateful to be able to see your previously unpublished work. Even the 
sketch of how you think it should be done is valuable to me. 

> I don't know what you use for signing but that doesn't sound like a bad 
idea for distributing wikis that aren't meant to be edited.

I use PyNaLC (https://github.com/pyca/pynacl). I sign the wiki every 
minute. Currently, the signature file is separate, but I'm going to be 
saving the signature inside the wiki instead soon enough (when I get to 
it). The script will remove the old signature, generate the new signature, 
and place it in. I use a script to verify (which comes with the wiki too). 
I can't say I'm good at this part either, but I very much want my wiki to 
be self-contained. 

> I am dyslexic and can barely read anything on your site so I have no idea 
what your process is there, so I don't think I can help much with that part.

I'm sorry. Perhaps I should offer an easy way to change the font to 
something more palatable (though, I daresay legibility improvements might 
not improve its readability). You have already helped with the process I 
have in mind! I'm re-engineering the backend of my process in virtue of Bob.

@ TonyM

Thank you very much. I actually did some testing in light of what you said 
and developed a response (it's sitting on my wiki), but now I can see that 
what I had to say is irrelevant with Jed's new release of Bob today. The 
export is clean and fast. Yay!

On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 5:58:17 AM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>
> H0p3,
>
> As much as we seperate save and export, I understand they are effectively 
> the same thing. During the save process a filter is used To choose the 
> tiddlers which ultimately saves the whole wiki. So you could build a wiki 
> with authorship tools that generates a published wiki without those tools 
> through the use of a custom export filter. Perhaps a username could be one 
> of the filters or export everything except a subset.
>
> I can think of another possible mechanisium I will share soon.
>
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Transclude a variable number of filters

[h0p3]

Sorry that I'm insanely late getting to this. Thank you Evan. I love your 
Formula plugin, which is also one of the inspirations for this tool I'm 
after. My daughter and I are looking into it!

On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 11:53:02 PM UTC-5, Evan Balster wrote:
>
> Sorry, I've realized there's a simpler and more efficient solution than 
> what I suggested there.  It's:
>
> <$list filter=< [your_filter_construction_filter_here[]])* """>> >
> {{!!title}}
> 
>
>
> Testable in Formulas wiki:
>
> <$list filter=< & "]]" """>> >
> {{!!title}}
> 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 10:44:01 PM UTC-6, Evan Balster wrote:
>>
>> Hello, h0p3 —
>>
>> In case the wikify approach proves to be a little too complex, I will 
>> suggest you might be able to construct and run filters a little more 
>> concisely with my Formula plugin 
>> <http://evanbalster.com/tiddlywiki/formulas.html>!  I wrote it to make 
>> more advanced calculations easier to do in TiddlyWiki.
>>
>> I don't have a bunch of filter pieces in that wiki, but we can fake it 
>> with this formula:
>>
>> *"[title[" & join("]] [title[", [tag[Syntax]]) & "]]"*
>>
>> You can test this on the landing page of my wiki.  This expression makes 
>> a "title" filter step for every Syntax-tagged tiddler in my wiki and joins 
>> them all together, producing a filter string.  We could put that into a 
>> variable with the $formula-vars 
>> <http://evanbalster.com/tiddlywiki/formulas.html#FormulaVarsWidget> 
>> widget, but it's also possible to construct and run the filter in one 
>> expression:
>>
>> join("", datum(*"(= *[title[" & join("]] [title[", [tag[Syntax]]) & 
>> "]]* =)"*))
>>
>> In your case you'll probably want to be applying the filters in series 
>> rather than adding their results together, so you'll probably want a plus 
>> or minus as suggested by Jed.  You might want to enclose the results of the 
>> final filter in [[brackets]] so the list widget can understand them.  So 
>> your final formula might be something like this:
>>
>> *"[[" &* join(*"]] [["*, datum("(=" & join("*+*", 
>> [your_filter_construction_filter_here[]]) & "=)"))* & **"]]"*
>>
>> If I dust the plugin off for more development, I might have to add some 
>> new functions to make this sort of thing less hacky...
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 1:12:45 PM UTC-6, h0p3 wrote:
>>>
>>> TonyM and Jed, thank you for your help! 
>>>
>>> You have given us several approaches and ideas to think about. We are 
>>> indebted to you. 
>>>
>>> We're working on it. It may be a while (this is no small task for us). 
>>> If we run into more trouble, we'll let you know. 
>>>
>>> It was https://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/FilterLogicExamples/ and my 
>>> heavy use of Tiddlytool that caused me to think this GUI would be useful in 
>>> my context. I am curious to know what you will be updating in 5.1.18.
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: To Spellcheck or not to spellcheck

[h0p3]

We're in somewhat similar shoes. A cryptographically signable single html 
file is always my product. After two years of just working on the 
single-file (using browser extensions to save), I'm taking another look at 
splitting up my development environment from the product itself (while 
maintaining the ability to effortlessly switch back to my battle-tested 
single-file editing mode). I require my browser extensions to productively 
work on my wiki; Grammarly has been a very useful tool in editing my wiki 
(my grammar is often awful).


The game changer for me is Bob's bi-directional input from .tid and 
browser. I'm going to be testing (and likely benchmarking) whatever methods 
there are for compiling the .tid files into a single file (and I'm willing 
to look at convoluted answers). I'm not sure if there is a simple or 
performant answer here, but I'm looking for one. I'd like to compile every 
minute for my toolchain, but I've found compilation (and decompilation) to 
be computationally expensive (although it's been a while since I've done 
it). I want to edit in my browser using a Bob server and have the 
single-file product automatically generated and distributed for me (with a 
cherry on top).


This is my current insane approach (there has to be a better way!):


https://philosopher.life/#Wiki%3A%20Rube-Goldberg%20Machine:%5B%5BWiki%3A%20Rube-Goldberg%20Machine%5D%5D


I'll let you know how it goes if you're interested, especially if I find a 
clean way to have your cake and eat it too.


On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 2:17:58 PM UTC-5, Captain Packers wrote:
>
> I'm creating some distributable documentation in TiddlyWiki and faced with 
> a dilemma.
>
> The dilemma is the seemingly mutually exclusive but highly desirable 
> features of the need for spell checking, ease of use with regard to saving, 
> and generating an easily distributed self-contained wiki in a single html 
> file.
>
> I like TiddlyDesktop because it creates a self-contained wiki in an easy 
> to distribute, single html file. But I don't want to distribute a product 
> with a lot of spelling errors.
>
> I also like node.js tiddlywiki because it uses the built in spell checking 
> of the browser, but I don't think conversion to a single file html file is 
> simple or straightforward.
>
> Sure wish the simplicity of these two could somehow be combined.
>
> I'm wondering what folks are doing as a work around the this dilemma.
>
> Appreciate any feedback
>

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[tw5] Re: Transclude a variable number of filters

[h0p3]

TonyM and Jed, thank you for your help! 

You have given us several approaches and ideas to think about. We are 
indebted to you. 

We're working on it. It may be a while (this is no small task for us). If 
we run into more trouble, we'll let you know. 

It was https://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/FilterLogicExamples/ and my 
heavy use of Tiddlytool that caused me to think this GUI would be useful in 
my context. I am curious to know what you will be updating in 5.1.18.


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[tw5] Re: Transclude a variable number of filters

[h0p3]

Hey TonyM,

You are always gracious. Thank you. My 12yo daughter didn't see your post 
until it was bedtime, and I don't want to leave you hanging. She is trying 
to build a tool for me as part of her CS subject in school. She's trying to 
make a GUI search tool which can construct arbitrarily long filters. We're 
still brainstorming and just trying to make a prototype. The gist of it can 
be found here:

https://philosopher.life/#Search%20of%20h0p3:%5B%5BSearch%20of%20h0p3%5D%5D

The goal is to have a graphical tool for incrementally constructing an 
arbitrary number of atomic and complex sentences (built from atomic and 
other complex sentences using drop-down menus that include the previously 
constructed sentences). The final complex sentence will contain the main 
connective and will be the final filter for the search. Writing several 
complex filters back-to-back is labor intensive (some people who use my 
wiki cannot write them at all, but they know enough First Order Logic they 
could use a graphical tool), and I want to abstract away as much as I can.

Performance matters to me here too. My wiki is fairly large (now pushing 
~22MB of pure text in ~7k tiddlers), and I think it will only continue to 
grow year after year. There are certain kinds of filter-based tools which 
do not work on my wiki; it's simply too big. Presumably, this tool will 
also be used to wrap other search tools which I otherwise couldn't afford 
to use without complex filters first narrowing down the search space.

There may be multiple ways to do this. We may even be wrong about what is 
possible or worthwhile here. We could certainly benefit from your 
expertise. Please advise us. What are your thoughts and what direction do 
you think we should go? 

Sincerely,

h0p3


On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 5:54:44 PM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>
> Swicky,
>
> I am sure it would be possible to apply  an unknown number of filters in 
> a filter search.
>
> I think there would be more value in explaining what you want to do, than 
> asking questions halfway through your current attempt to answer these 
> questions.
>
> There are a number of ways to concatenate text of any type into a variable 
> which you can then use in a filter and other places. Of course the order is 
> important in filters.
>
> Similarly you can use nested <$list widgets to separate the "problem" into 
> a number of filter statements rather than trying to force many into one. 
> The trick is to use the variable=variablename parameter of one list widget 
> as the "input" "[... to the next List widget, unless you 
> always refer to current Tiddler and do not use the variable parameter.
>
> The reality however is, what are these filter meant to achieve?, because 
> once experienced with filter's there is a lot that can be done with "smart" 
> filters". Perhaps you do not need to concatenate these filters as you 
> think. 
>
> Why are your filters unknown in number and what are they trying to find.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 6:19:44 AM UTC+11, Swicky wrote:
>>
>> I'm trying to use an unknown number of filters in a filter search. I can, 
>> so far, hardcode transclusions of two or more tiddlers. So, if tiddler A has 
>> [all[]] in it, and tiddler B has +[tag[asdf]] in it, transcluding into 
>> filter search shows everything that's tagged asdf.. but I want to do 
>> this for any number of filters.
>>
>> At the moment, I'm thinking of two ideas, but I'm not quite sure about 
>> them:
>>
>>- Use tagged tiddlers - I could make something like a "new journal 
>>here" button, which would make a new tiddler tagged "filter" (or 
>>something). Then, just transclude the text field of every tiddler tagged 
>>"filter".
>>- Use a field - I could also make a completely different "new" 
>>button, that adds a filter to a field, and transclude the entire field.
>>
>> Of course, I might be thinking about this entirely wrong. Maybe 
>> Tiddlywiki is the wrong tool for this job. If it is, then I need something 
>> else that can work in the wiki. Any ideas?
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: A Song for the Joy of It

[h0p3]

Perturbator - "Future Club"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY66fdMt4vc


On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 2:27:14 PM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Jodlerklub Wiesenberg & Francine Jordi mit Das Feyr vo dr Sehnsucht 
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pY0xb9PrbY
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Re: [tw5] Suggestions or tips how I can host my Tiddlywiki online?

[h0p3's Wiki]

I think running a performant and secure webserver is a non-trivial task.
The following options are bad if you ever want to walk up to a box you
don't own (and can't install software or modify settings) to login over the
web from a browser to edit your wiki (though, I'm not sure I would trust
such a computer). That's basically what you are seeking, but I suggest you
might not have to go that route.

If you know you will be owning the devices you use to edit the wiki (you
generally would in the Dropbox case), you might consider running the server
from your home (or any secure computer behind a NAT or strict firewall) and
using something like https://zerotier.com/ for a personal VPN across your
devices. You can open your TW server to your LANs and access that server
from across the VPN. This method can work without TW software servers too
because you can open and save the html file from across the VPN (requires
setting up filesharing, and you must watch for something like race
conditions as you would for Dropbox). You may find it useful for other
things as well (e.g. streaming music across your network).

The above is not the method I currently use for my wiki (beware those who
do not take their own advice), but Bob's sexiness may one day force me to
do so. No option is perfect, but I use Resilio Sync and single-file
editing. It's encrypted, the fastest throughput option for single-file wiki
usage, does not rely upon any one particular server to be running,
maintains archives of all edits (can be disabled), provides read-only keys
(and even encrypted keys for storing on untrusted servers), and affords me
offline editing. If you didn't like Dropbox though, there's a good chance
you won't like this method.

My vote is for the VPN because it is one of the easiest to set up in many
cases, it's free, it's secure, and it's versatile.


On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 2:32 PM Robert Freiberger 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I posted earlier that I was having issues with two computers accessing a
> shared Dropbox Tiddywiki. Then I started to think about I can just have
> this hosted online which might be easier. I searched around but I wasn't
> sure how much work this would take and if it's actually secure?
>
> Ideally, I would like to be able to host my Tiddlywiki online (I'm hoping
> I can use Google Cloud or Digital Ocean) and make sure it's locked down
> from the public. I was thinking about some weird workarounds but the core
> goal is that I could host it in a shared location online and access it
> securely from multiple locations with a password (even better if I could
> use 2FA, or public key).
>
> Thank you,
> Robert
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[tw5] Re: Visual Reference Map

[h0p3]

Thank you! The "Live" view is the closest tool I've seen by far. I'll see 
if I can get the behavior/views I'm looking for with custom filters. 

On Friday, November 16, 2018 at 6:40:25 PM UTC-5, Greg Molyneux wrote:
>
> If I understand what you're trying to accomplish, you can do this directly 
> from the Live View tab of TiddlyMap:
>
> http://tiddlymap.org/#TiddlyMap
>
> This tiddler is linked from a large number of the other tiddlers on the 
> sample site.  Visiting this link, and then selecting the "Live" tab on the 
> right side of the window allows you to see these native links, zoom in or 
> out, and browse the various other connections in a visual manner.  
> Double-click on one of the referenced/referencing tiddlers in the map to 
> open it, and see the tiddlers it is linked to in the map view.  Searching 
> the docs on this site demonstrates ways to customize views based on custom 
> filters as well.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 15, 2018 at 10:14:02 AM UTC-8, h0p3 wrote:
>>
>> Is there a tool which shows the tree/web/map/table built from the 
>> References tab for each tiddler? I want to see a visual of tiddlers linking 
>> to each other. One can go to the Reference tab of the information tiddler, 
>> open a referencing tiddler, and repeat the process. I'm not looking to 
>> snake my way through tiddlers because it doesn't show the connections; I'm 
>> trying to find a visualization of the References on a growing map.
>>
>> I've been looking through visualization tools, but I've not seen one 
>> which functions like this. I'm not looking to build the visualization by 
>> hand (which some of the mind mapping tools appear to require), but rather 
>> view an automated visualization of the connections already built into the 
>> wiki. I'm wondering if there is a plugin with a visual map that grows as 
>> you click on nodes, adding new referents to the map along with the 
>> connections as you go.
>>
>> If there is not one, perhaps there is a preferred plugin to modify to do 
>> this work. Where should I go?
>>
>

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[tw5] Visual Reference Map

[h0p3]

Is there a tool which shows the tree/web/map/table built from the 
References tab for each tiddler? I want to see a visual of tiddlers linking 
to each other. One can go to the Reference tab of the information tiddler, 
open a referencing tiddler, and repeat the process. I'm not looking to 
snake my way through tiddlers because it doesn't show the connections; I'm 
trying to find a visualization of the References on a growing map.

I've been looking through visualization tools, but I've not seen one which 
functions like this. I'm not looking to build the visualization by hand 
(which some of the mind mapping tools appear to require), but rather view 
an automated visualization of the connections already built into the wiki. 
I'm wondering if there is a plugin with a visual map that grows as you 
click on nodes, adding new referents to the map along with the connections 
as you go.

If there is not one, perhaps there is a preferred plugin to modify to do 
this work. Where should I go?

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[tw5] Re: Problems connecting to my tiddlywiki on my Android phone installed with nodejs (Termux) using a different device on my local network

[h0p3]

It might be worth trying to keep certain kinds of content separate from or 
external to the wiki. My wife has a lot of pictures she uses in her wiki, 
but he keeps them in a directory next to her static html file and just 
links to them instead. This keeps her html file fairly small, and the 
pictures are only loaded when she open a tiddler that points to them.

On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 6:05:58 PM UTC-5, john smith wrote:
>
> Thanks guys i got it working.
>
> My next issue is that i've imported a very large static html tiddlywiki 
> (over 200mb, full of images, PDF's, saved webpages etc) into the nodejs 
> version, after successfully importing it runs out of memory when i try and 
> load it in the browser. Below is a screenshot out of the Termux output.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 5:35:44 PM UTC, Mark S. wrote:
>
>> How are you launching node.js/TiddlyWiki ? You need to specify the full 
>> IP number in order to open it to the network. Something like:
>>
>> --server 8080 $:/core/save/all text/plain text/html "" "" 192.168.0.245
>>
>> where 192.168.0.245 is the IP of your "server" device.
>>
>> Good luck!
>> -- Mark
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 8:22:23 AM UTC-8, john smith wrote:
>>>
>>> So i've installed tiddlywiki via nodejs on my Android phone using Termux
>>>
>>> Runs well on my phone browser when connecting to http://127.0.0.1:8080/
>>>
>>> However I can't see the tiddlywiki on any other device on the local 
>>> network (my laptop and ipad).
>>>
>>> I'm using the local IP address provided on the android wi-fi settings 
>>> and the port (192.168.x.x:8080) in browser.
>>>
>>> i'm not very technically minded so hopefully the solution doesn't 
>>> involve too much hassle every time i'm connected to a different wi-fi as i 
>>> travel a lot.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: KeeBoord Plugin - Testers needed 8-) !

[h0p3]

I have been following along and testing it out. I'm sorry that I don't have 
any useful feedback for you. I can't wait for 5.18 to come out so that I 
can finally integrate this beast into my wiki. Thank you for making this 
tool.

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[tw5] Re: Query -- Who is the competition?

[h0p3]

Flexible text editors are major competitors. Emacs and vim ecosystems are 
solid examples. These are the only kinds of tools that ever force me to 
question whether or not I should move away from Tiddlywiki, especially when 
going the nodejs route. Tiddlywiki competes with these text editors in 
attempting to mimic or overlay an operating system; they are that powerful. 
We still don't know how WASM is going to change the web 
(https://github.com/rhysd/vim.wasm), but these competitors may become even 
stronger. TW is not as performant, CLI-oriented and connectable, or 
flexible in many contexts, and it doesn't have decades of maturity 
(software older than I am which is still chosen to be used today must be 
incredibly fit). TW tends to be more unified, portable (in some respects), 
visually appealing; more importantly, it comes batteries-loaded alongside a 
radically better learning curve.

I suppose I use Tiddlywiki as primarily just-a-bunch-of-linked-textfiles 
with reasonable media interaction, sexy markup, sane defaults, low-hanging 
fruit plugins, and some automated sprankles on top. In a way, the more 
backend programmatic I want to be, the less I want to use Tiddlywiki. 
Often, when I feel the need to leverage the enormous commandline ecosystems 
available, I think it makes sense to just avoid the browser (though 
terminal emulators work fine enough in the browser) which inconveniently 
bottlenecks me with a VM that has to be bypassed.

That said, I'm a hardcore fanboi, and it seems crazy to me that most people 
don't use TW. When I am a Tiddlywiki Apostle to my friends and family, I've 
often found they think it's too much work and it lacks the name 
recognition/network effect for them to take the risk of committing 
themselves to it. Tiddlywiki seems born for those who want to be able to 
own their tooling, data, and personal clouds. Most people don't care (I'm 
not claiming that is justified). In a way, the real competition that 
prevents TW uptake are specialized tools like Evernote which are so 
convenient; it takes 2-3 clicks to be sitting in a living-breathing 
driver's seat.

TW competes with the sledgehammer generalists (like emacs and vim) which 
are borderline operating systems unto themselves, and thus it also able to 
compete with many specialists because it can be tailored so effectively.On 
Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 11:27:38 AM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> When you, experienced people, look at the rivals to TiddlyWiki ... what 
> would you say they were?
>
> It can be as loose as you like. I'm simply trying to better understand 
> TiddlyWiki's main market sector.
>
> Josiah
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[tw5] Static References and Dynamic List-Links

[h0p3]

How can I automatically insert/replace the results of <> as a hard, static list of links into the tiddler 
generating it?

Maybe that's a bad question or wrong-headed. I'm trying to transition from 
creating links and new tiddlers by hand to using "Create a new journal 
tiddler tagged with this one" or http://maketid.tiddlyspot.com/ for custom 
tiddler creation. It is convenient to be able to use: <> instead of entering links by hand, and I think I can 
programmatically build other kinds of lists that I would otherwise build by 
hand too. 

Feel free to call me a stubborn luddite or heathen, but I strongly value 
static content in my wiki. I resist dynamic content as much as I can 
knowing that much of what I use and love about my wiki is programmatically 
generated on the fly (I greedily want to have my semi-static cake and 
semi-dynamically eat it too). At the moment, you can legitimately read the 
vast majority of my wiki from its source code using ctrl+f without much 
hassle, and I think that is agnostically a good thing. I like having static 
links in my tiddlers because they are performant in my browser and directly 
parseable outside of the browser.

Further, static links enable References. Making connections in my wiki is 
half the reason I use my wiki, and the reference information tool allows me 
to recognize one the key ways my tiddlers are actually related to each 
other (via linking) from an individual tiddler's point of view. Given the 
number of tiddlers I'm working with (~6.5k), references are crucial to 
reasoning about where something belongs and how it relates to other things. 
Unfortunately, I've not found a way to make something dynamic, e.g. 
list-links, function with references (perhaps I'm missing something 
obvious). If a tiddler P generates a list-link that will include tiddler Q, 
I can't seem to know from tiddler Q's reference info that P (dynamically) 
links to Q. To my understanding, to build a reference tool that would show 
me this connection would require recursively generating all dynamic content 
in the wiki on the fly (ain't nobody got time fo' dat). To my eyes, links 
in the body of a tiddler function as lightweight tags for reference. 
Perhaps this is a problem best solved through fields. I do not know.

I think my goal needs to be to update the static contents of my tiddlers 
from its dynamically generated content. I'm fine with this update occurring 
only upon rendering it, though it would be really cool to find a way to 
have a nightly button I could push to automatically run those updates too. 
>From what I can see, this solves my reference problem while allowing 
automated tiddler creation and listing.

What do you think? How do you solve this kind of problem?

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Re: [tw5] Re: [TW 5.0.16]Footnote Popup Not Working

[h0p3's Wiki]

I've currently 1,997 footnotes using Danielo's tool in my wiki
 (thank you, Danielo, I use your wonderful tools
every day). There's a better alternative? Please, someone, tell me. I don't
know what it would look like. Perhaps not having to set both <> and
<>, and instead having them automatically generated like M$Word
would be pleasant. But, that might just be cosmetic.

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 11:19 AM Danielo Rodríguez 
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> Hello,
>
> Since I created this tool some other and probably better solutions have
> appeared. Have you tried any of the alternatives ? I don't know any of them
> by memory, but probably others do.
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[tw5] Re: How and Why Should I Use Tags in Tiddlywiki?

[h0p3]

You all are wonderful. Thank you all for the replies! I really appreciate 
your taking the time out of your day to talk to me about this. You leave me 
with a lot to think about. I will be looking for good ways to implement and 
test your examples and advice in my wiki. I asked general questions, and I 
got general answers. Maybe it would also be useful for me to be more 
specific about my context.

My 19mb spaghetti wiki is ~6k tiddlers hardlinking to each other from their 
bodies: https://philosopher.life/. Perhaps it's time for a massive 
overhaul. I am fine with refactoring the entire thing by hand (although, I 
think some of it could be automated), but I want to make sure I get the 
most bang for my buck. I'm interesting to know, assuming you were in my 
shoes/context, which low-hanging tagging or other mechanical improvements 
you'd make.

!! @PMario

>In TW tags are mainly used to create dynamic lists. like the TOC or a 
list of links.
>If the tag is also a tiddler, those lists can be sorted, using the 
list-field

With some valuable exceptions, I barely make use of dynamic lists. I create 
lists by hand the majority of the time. Perhaps my link hardcoding is 
wrong-headed. Part of my problem is that I don't always know how I want my 
wiki to evolve, and maybe hard-coding has been a very flawed WYSIWYG coping 
mechanism. Sometimes I'll bust something up into pieces and put the pieces 
in different places. I feel like I'm building with lego with hardlinks. 

>less typing. 

This seems especially true if you've automated tagging, although I think 
automatically naming tiddlers is also possible (I've never figured that 
out). For my logs, I often CnP an older link, edit the new one, and just 
open the new link. I'm fairly quick on my keyboard with shortcuts, so this 
hasn't seemed too painful to me. Tags seem like a good off-the-shelf answer 
though. Perhaps it will save me a lot of time in the long run.

Once I have the hardlinks, it's easy to move them around them as sets, 
manipulate the material, build other kinds of things with them. I often 
have to lexically order my links by hand. Links feel concrete to me. I fear 
I'm just rationalizing here or missing the point. Call me out on it.

If I had to assign most tiddlers to multiple groups most of the time, I 
think tagging would awesome for me. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, I 
don't often find the need for one tiddler to be found in more than one 
category. When I do, I link or transclude by hand. It can be a very special 
event for me in my wiki when I see a tiddler belongs in multiple places; 
sometimes it screams something important to me. Perhaps tagging would make 
this event more common.

>As you pointed out, having a tiddler naming convention helps with 
searching. ... But what if such a naming convention doesn't fit the 
use-case ... Tags can be very handy here. 

The vast majority of the time, my searches don't even use my tiddler naming 
convention at all. I generally either know part of the name of the tiddler 
I'm reaching for, or I'm just narrowing piles down by keywords found in 
their bodies. Search is where I am least convinced that tags do anything 
for me, but maybe that is just specific to my usecase. All the exceptions I 
can think of are handled by my title naming conventions. I'm trying to 
think of examples where having two names and search of the body is 
required. Of course, I may be reasoning all wrong about my data in the 
first place too.

>:) ... Like good tiddler names, finding a good name that fits, is 
hard. ... Several iterations may be needed. ... The advantage here is, that 
refactoring tags, most of the times also leads to refactoring the content. 
Which imo is a good thing. 

Surely this is where tagging is most useful to me? This isn't ad hoc like 
search; it's more about automatically constructing and reconstructing. I 
love the idea that changing names actually changes the content; boy does 
that sound powerful. I must be using and thinking about my TW all wrong.

So, I think of tags in TW (perhaps incorrectly) as assigning a tiddler 
multiple names, categories, or properties. I've somehow avoided the need, 
done something by hand that should have been automated, or completely been 
blind to the need for such a thing. Naming is hard. I spend a non-trivial 
amount of my time asking myself where things belong in my TW and why. 
Sometimes this is exactly what helps me map into new territory! 

When I don't have a very specific title in mind, my naming conventions go 
something like this:

`.MM.DD -- FooTag: BarTitle`

It's been pretty useful to me. I get a decent timeline, I kind of always 
have one tag, and I can reuse BarTitles freely (a fairly common problem for 
me) because I know the other information is unique. Sometimes I just think 
of each tiddler has a flat textfile, and I'm trying to pack as much 
necessary metadata in the name as I can; that may be the wrong approach.

[tw5] How and Why Should I Use Tags in Tiddlywiki?

[h0p3]

There are several vanilla mechanics in Tiddlywiki I've just not found a 
good use for yet (I'm kinda slow sometimes), and I feel like I'm leaving 
delicious computational dimensionality and automation just sitting there on 
the table. Tagging is one of those obvious mechanics I'm not using at all.

Since my wiki primarily isn't a collaborative work (I'm the author), I 
don't seem to benefit from controlled vocabulary or a folksonomy. Yet, I 
believe I am ignorantly blind about the value of tagging in Tiddlywiki. 
I've tried using them before, but they've never seemed to really do 
anything for me.

Naively, I've been able to comfortably survive using search, marginally 
taglike-equivalent tiddler title naming conventions, and effective 
linking+transcluding. Sometimes it feels like the more structure I give to 
my wiki through links, the less likely I am to benefit from tags. Further, 
search is so fast and flexible, I'm having a hard time finding cases where 
tagging (a non-trivial task) is worth the effort.

* What is an obvious example of tagging being the best and irreplaceable 
tool for the job?
* When do tags outperform linking with advanced search?
* What do tags help me model that I can't already? 
* What constitutes a good tag?
* How many tags in a wiki and/or per tiddler are optimal?

I assume the vast majority of TW users abuse tags very hard. There appears 
to be plenty of tooling devoted to tags. I feel like an idiot for finding 
no good use for them, and I want to spellcast with whatever magical powers 
they contain! I've been told by a couple people who use tags (including 
someone with an MLIS) that they aren't sure how I would benefit from tags 
in the long run. Perhaps tags aren't always useful, they are just one 
method which might not suit my usecase. I have no idea, but I'm trying to 
understand. 

Help a fool out, please. I want to think smarter not harder with tags.

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[tw5] Re: Search Bodies of Tiddlers Narrowed by Titles

[h0p3]

Works like a charm. Thank you!

On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 12:19:04 PM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:
>
> The search operator can be refined by field name. So I assume that the 
> most optimized filters for your queries would work like:
>
>   [search:title[foo]search:text[catdog]]
>
> and
>
>   [search:title[foo]] [search:title[bar]] 
> +[search:text[catdog]search:text[spongebob]]
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 9:00:51 AM UTC-7, h0p3 wrote:
>>
>> I need to search the bodies of tiddlers narrowed by their titles. 
>>
>> For examples:
>>
>>- Search for ["catdog"] in the bodies of any tiddlers with ["foo"] in 
>>their titles. 
>>- Search for ["catdog" *and* "spongebob"] in the bodies of any 
>>tiddlers with ["foo" *or* "bar"] in their titles.
>>
>> What are good ways to do searches like these?
>>
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[tw5] Search Bodies of Tiddlers Narrowed by Titles

[h0p3]

I need to search the bodies of tiddlers narrowed by their titles. 

For examples:

   - Search for ["catdog"] in the bodies of any tiddlers with ["foo"] in 
   their titles. 
   - Search for ["catdog" *and* "spongebob"] in the bodies of any tiddlers 
   with ["foo" *or* "bar"] in their titles.

What are good ways to do searches like these?

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Re: [tw5] [Outreach] Communicating to writers the benefits of TW -- #21 FUTURE TIDDLERS

[h0p3's Wiki]

Agreed. I'm always trying to convince the writers I know to give TW a spin,
and this is one of those simple mechanics which turn out to be super
useful. Whether they are building character bibles, graphing their plots,
or mind-mapping their epistemic periphery, placeholders are outstanding
"to-do" or even "maybe" flags sitting in your writing. For me, it's an
organization tool helping me break bigger problems down into smaller ones,
and it helps me explicitly state to myself that I need to expand or connect
something in the first place. When I'm in the flowstate, I don't have time
write in every direction I'm thinking; I have to triage. Placeholders help
me leave the breadcrumbs necessary to come back and iteratively grow some
web of thought.

There's another kind of placeholder I use as well. Sometimes, I have
something to say, but I don't quite know where to put it or what I should
name it. I need to get it out on a page and worry about how to categorize
it later. "Create a new tiddler" automatically applies "PH" to my title.
Sometimes I'll spin up several placeholder tiddlers until I've figured out
how they fit into the bigger picture and why.

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 6:31 AM @TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Here we tend to focus on technical solutions to technical problems.
>
> That is good.
>
> But I think we often underplay the obvious for potential users. We
> under-promote what we have already normally.
>
> For a moment *consider TW as a Writing Medium*, by which I mean normal
> authors of fiction or fact.
>
> One outstanding thing is that you can so easily create "placeholders". A
> ref to a Tiddler that does NOT yet exist. That is exactly like many
> people's writing process. You know you need to "fill in gaps" later to make
> better writings. TW facilitates that very well indeed.
>
> For instance a writer needs to know they can write a text referencing
> stuff they need to expand on but haven't written the expansions yet. TW
> EASILY provides the "placeholders" for these.
>
> This simple mechanism is not advertised enough IMO.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
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Re: [tw5] Re: Idea for simple versioning system

[h0p3's Wiki]

Have I not been talking about versioning? I'm sorry if I'm mistaken or
wasting your time.

In the past 5 days, I currently have 265 different versions of my wiki each
saved on both resilio sync (across a couple) and dropbox. I think my of my
daily snapshots as versions as well (I use them that way). I'm convinced I
am relating my past edits to the present. Tell me a date and time to roll
back to, and I can do that in seconds. Give me a string to search in my
versions, and I can do that. Some tools are incremental (delta/diff) and
others full (each have their benefits).

Perhaps your distinction is about an optimization problem I'm
misunderstanding.

Sincerely,
- h0p3

On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 3:05 PM @TiddlyTweeter 
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> h0p3 wrote:
>>
>> I'm afraid I don't know what you mean. I'm going to assume I use both
>> extra systems and solo methods?
>>
>
> No idea. Other than your own.
>
>
>> My wiki is practically my horcrux/personal talisman, so I'm pretty
>> obsessed with making sure I don't lose it. I keep a lot of backups and
>> redundancies.
>>
>
> I'd never want to get between a user and their horcrux.
>
> Backups are fine. We talking here about VERSIONING--i.e. systems that help
> optimise the relation of now and then.
>
> J.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Idea for simple versioning system

[h0p3's Wiki]

I'm afraid I don't know what you mean. I'm going to assume I use both extra
systems and solo methods?

My wiki is practically my horcrux/personal talisman, so I'm pretty obsessed
with making sure I don't lose it. I keep a lot of backups and redundancies.
I don't know how to draw the lines for others. Let me just drive home how
crazy and incompetent I am at the same time folks:

I'm currently reworking my git, but git is one tool I use (I'll be using
every git provider I can get my hands on). I also use dropbox (solid
versioning which I've had to use a couple times), archive.org, resilio sync
archives (my goto for when I oops in my own base), rsync cronjobs of my
entire wiki directory (I have it just in case, but I've not needed it), a
compressed daily snapshot collection (this is actually what I use for
looking through old versions), the file-backups extension (quick way to
solve plenty of snafus), and my system backups (haven't needed it for
myself, but it has saved my family's butts many times). I also regularly
make backups by hands onto thumbdrives which I distribute to family and
friends when I travel.



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wrote:

> h0p3: I care a good deal about my versioning (it's part of what makes my
>> wiki what it is, imho). It's fairly common for me to go back in time to see
>> what the original tiddler or structures in my wiki were.
>
>
> Question: do you use an EXTRA "system"? Or do you do that some solo
> method?
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Re: [tw5] Re: Idea for simple versioning system

[h0p3's Wiki]

I believe I care a good deal about my versioning (it's part of what makes
my wiki what it is, imho). It's fairly common for me to go back in time to
see what the original tiddler or structures in my wiki were. Sometimes I
have to recreate something, sometimes I'm making a comparison, and
sometimes I'm just trying to better understand the story I'm telling myself
in my wiki.

I think there is too much in TW that can't be nicely versioned within TW
itself. There are some problems which really are best handled in TW itself,
but I'm not convinced versioning at large is one of them (that may just be
a bias in how I use TW though). I think versioning is a kind of backup, and
there are a lot of valuable ways to backup one's TW. Versioning other kinds
of software I run on my system can be a lot more complicated, imho.

Leveraging the fact that TW meaningfully and usably fits into a single file
is really convenient, imho. Simultaneously using a number of
versioning/backup systems for TW is one of its strengths in my eyes. I feel
like versioning the entire TW solves my problems nicely (and, I
specifically keep some versions of my tiddlers in my TW by hand to tell a
story). I'm surprised this is considered a defect by others. I fear I am
missing something important.


On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 10:25 AM @TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Ciao  Diego
>
> Right. This discussion is not new. And that one you referred to was tight
> and good.
>
> Its the usual Google Groups problem that "just yesterday" might as well be
> "a century away."
>
> Good people here learn to be HISTORIANS :-).
>
> I wish we could just FIND stuff related without needing special skills.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> On Thursday, 23 August 2018 16:04:50 UTC+2, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>
>> There was a similar discussion of a similar approach here:
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/TiddlyWiki/2UNt2IUKzy4/SWvFcRjQBQAJ
>>
>> On Thursday, August 23, 2018 at 8:47:56 AM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> Mat: I was just saddened from reading that complaint with someone
 dismissing TW because the lack of versioning

>>>
>>> I'm saddened too. Especially as we don't often know what "we" have done
>>> already. IF we don't clearly know HOW is anybody else going to?
>>>
>>> J, x
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: The Google Groups Problem -- Revisited

[h0p3]

That's a fine counter. If this is a matter of opportunity cost, I think 
replacing the discussion infrastructure is a lower priority (even though 
it's obviously an impediment).

Going back to my Arch example, the package management infrastructure is 
what makes it work in the first place. Finding effective ways to 
semi-centralize the body of packages that allow people to customize vanilla 
TWs is a more direct contribution to TW in both the short and longterm. 
Right now, I have to use spider around this forum and usually rely upon 
google through a lot of noise to find anything I want to install in TW.

What is necessary for this repository infrastructure?



On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 7:20:08 AM UTC-4, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Just to add another point about opportunity cost — if we were going to go 
> to the trouble of setting up and operating a custom service for the 
> TiddlyWiki community, then my first priority would not in fact be 
> discussions, it would be to set up a proper plugin library that allowed 
> easy third party submissions without requiring knowledge of GitHub.
>
> “Plugin library” wouldn’t be a great description — it would be a 
> repository of user uploaded plugins, snippets, tagged links, hints, etc. 
> Ideally people would be able to use an API to post to the library directly 
> from their own wikis. 
>
> ( I am not suggesting that we shouldn’t replace Google Groups with 
> something else, just that if it’s going to be DIY then I think there might 
> be higher priorities for our limited reserve of DIY skills).
>
> There have been discussions today about whether the logo is holding 
> TiddlyWiki back,  and now whether Google Groups is holding TiddlyWiki back. 
> I can understand why both these topics are being discussed because they 
> address daily irritations for many people. But, stepping back, I question 
> whether these are the most important threats or opportunities facing us.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> On 22 Aug 2018, at 12:09, Jeremy Ruston > 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Sylvain
>
> I run the Discourse French Community Forum since 2015, so yes we can :)
>
>
> Indeed, it’s a very useful experiment and I’ve been watching with interest.
>
> I've transfert it in new instance twice and thanks to the backup fonction 
> of Discourse, it's really easy. You have just to install a new one and 
> import the last automatic backup.
>
>
> It’s not so much that there be a technical mechanism for backups to be 
> taken, we need a failsafe operating procedure whereby backups are taken and 
> verified without relying entirely on the project team.
>
> Yes, there is regular new version, and it take little time to check server 
> and ssh it.
>
>
> Also it's OK with french audience since there is few traffic. If we do 
> worldwide, we need a paid account I think for email notification (even more 
> if we configure Discourse to reply post directly from mail like GG).
>
> About spam and abuse, I'm really surprising about Discourse ! It's really 
> impressive.
>
>
> Discourse does seem to be the most widely used of the available 
> off-the-shelf, open source replacements for Google Groups. 
>
> I’d certainly want the ability to work via email as we can with Google 
> Groups. (One of the reasons that I like this feature is that it means that 
> I have a complete, independent backup of all posts since 2005 that is 
> easily searchable).
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Sylvain
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[tw5] Re: The Google Groups Problem -- Revisited

[h0p3]

Agreed. I've been a daily user of TW for 2 years, and I've avoided this 
forum until I couldn't. I really don't like using google groups for a bunch 
of reasons. 

I'm not sure how to replace this forum nicely. Where is the best place or 
tool to go from here? Is there a systematic way to graft/categorize this 
content into a different system?

Cliche as it may sound, I think the Arch Linux wiki is a strong example of 
what good community-driven technical documentation should look like. I've 
used that thing on almost every distribution I've used. I want one that 
good for Tiddlywiki, but i have no idea how to do it (I'm sadly not 
convinced TW is even the right tool for it just yet either). Lowering the 
friction to translating the work in forums into technical documentation in 
a long-term wiki seems like a great idea. I'm straight up a TW fanboi at 
this point, so you'll need to correct my lack of objectivity.

This is a good community. I'm not sure how to enable it to grow into the 
monster it deserves to be. I second the claim "*There is something 
seriously wrong*." But, I think that about a lot of software. I'm also not 
the best judge of why other people don't use it or don't wish to engage in 
it. I'm not sure how to change it.

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Re: [tw5] Re: [philosophy] Is TW programming?

[h0p3's Wiki]

Conceptual analysis is hard here. You have to take up significant
commitments in a number of philosophical domains to provide any kind of
satisfactory answer.

For some, using your mouse is programming your computer (as ridiculous as
that may initially sound). You might need to define what you mean by the
word "programming" before you'll get an answer you're looking for.

If my gut check means anything in this context, Tiddlywiki is obviously
programming. I can't point to another tool which has allowed me to be so
quantitative about the qualitative.





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[tw5] Re: Timimi plugin - released for firefox/chrome/chromium in linux/mac/windows

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@ Riz

This is straight up nifty. I'm legit surprised you were able to do this (I 
thought it wasn't possible). I continue to feel more and more locked out of 
my own browser each year. Do you believe your method will continue to exist 
for the foreseeable future?

> However if you do have the right to write to registry, then this plugin 
model opens rather extensive possibilities. Want to launch a program or 
script from tiddlywiki? possible.  Want to launch a node server from your 
standalone tiddlywiki? Possible. Want to enter data to a local csv file? 
Possible.  Hell, want to shut down your computer from tiddlywiki? Quite 
possible. The model can give rise to a newer kind of plugins for 
tiddlywiki, ones that use tiddlywiki events as a trigger to drive external 
events. All in all, an argument can be made that TW5 is better because of 
webextension introduction. 





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[tw5] Re: SelectMode - KeeBoord Navigation

[h0p3]

I know you are still working on this gorgeous tool and the infrastructure 
for developing and distributing it. I have tested the tool on your demo 
several times. I gratefully request this with no expectations: I would like 
to get a feel for it on my own wiki and actually begin using it in 
production to develop more opinions about it. It might be a while before I 
get to do that I realize. Unfortunately, I don't know how to insert this 
into my wiki (although, I have tried a couple times). When you are ready, 
would you give me a set of instructions to insert this into my wiki (I'd 
like to be able to remove or modify it as this plugin develops)? It doesn't 
need to be a single drag and drop plugin; I'll work with whatever 
instructions you can give me.


On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 10:04:10 AM UTC-4, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Hi community,
> for those interested in more advanced Keyboard-Navigation within 
> tiddlywiki I've created
> http://selectmode.tiddlyspot.com, where the "SelectMode" plugin will soon 
> be available for drag installation
>
> Meanwhile, if you're interested to test and comment, that would be great 
> help.
> I'm looking for ideas how to visualize that the wiki is in select-mode. 
> The top yellow bar will get an option to be disabled, but there should still
> be some kind of a visual hint that select-mode is on.
>
> I'm also adding the functionality to select the dropdown entries of the 
> tag-dropdown, type-dropdown and field-dropdown using the keyboard,
> you can expect the plugin to be available vs the end of the next week
>
> all the best,
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[tw5] Re: SelectMode - KeeBoord Navigation

[h0p3]

Those popups are neat. I'm not sure how I'm going to use them yet.

On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 8:45:22 AM UTC-4, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> A small note on my chosen Shortcuts:
>
> I've discovered that on Chrome the Button right beneath "L" gets 
> recognized as "Backquote" - on Firefox (latest) it is "FirefoxSemicolon" or 
> something like that
> I'm using "J" and "Backquote" to go next/previous like I'm used from my 
> desktop's window manager (i3/sway). On selectmode.tiddlyspot.com you can 
> change those shortcuts in the ControlPanel so that they fit your browser's 
> idea of the correct name for your keys :P
>
> Have a good day, BTC
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[tw5] Re: Firefox v61, can we just save over our current Wiki file without all the dialogs?

[h0p3]

Awesomeness.

Also, close tab appears to be working. The "creep" factor (where it grows 
without intervention) I won't be able to test until tomorrow. 

On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 3:45:52 PM UTC-4, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi h0p3,
>
> I think I found the problem. I'll post a link to a beta version soon, so 
> you can test it. Once it works, I'll create a new release version. 
>
> A workaround is: *Close and reopen the TAB *... It shouldn't be needed to 
> close the FF App.
>
> -mario
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[tw5] Re: SelectMode - KeeBoord Navigation

[h0p3]

  

I actually want to go further with this keyboard-centered approach. There's 
the sidebar that can be made key-boardable, too... basically everything 
that forces me to use my mouse where under i3 I'd always just press a 
shortcut is a target for select-mode.

I think you're right that something like this should be in TW's codebase. 

Agreed! We've talked about the sidebar before. I have very strong opinions 
about the sidebar. 

I know how I would like to navigate my sidebar right now (although, I'd 
probably change my method with more complex tooling), but I fear I am too 
specific (and don't know how to generalize it for everyone's usecases). 

I want to use a hotkey to enter "sidebar mode," select tabs from hotkeys, 
and perhaps have a mode for each tab. For example, on my Hub (
https://philosopher.life/#Hub:Hub), I want to step up and down through the 
major sections, and then select from the links inside those lists. 

As far as I'm concerned, the sidebar is fundamental to navigating the wiki, 
and salient navigation of complex structures is what a wiki is all about. 
Keyboard control of it is necessary to allow me to "load" tiddlers into my 
story river.

I tried that nodejs-approach but the missing live-reload killed it for me. 

YES! There are a lot of problems surrounding it.

To me, this is the one of the key areas in which Tiddlywiki could make a 
quantum leap. The browser's VM continues to be tightened again and again, 
and running a server is literally the only option around it. Unfortunately, 
I believe it's computationally unoptimized. I blow a whole core just to 
recompile every minute with nodejs. JS makes this beautiful in the browser, 
but the server itself needs another language, imho.

I'd want edit priority given to the CLI. 

This is no small task though, and I think most people have no use for it 
(at least initially).

@DemoniWaari also mentioned this search-functionality. I think I'll add the 
quick-search by keyboard function and then we can discuss the content of 
the search results...

Thanks for your feedback and thoughts! 

I am very excited by this. I think it is actually an entirely different 
problem than keyboard navigation, and arguably an even larger problem. It 
would, of course, be an enormous contribution. Advanced search that a user 
can easily tailor to the structures they build in their own wiki is 
necessary. This is where the flexibility of Tiddlywiki may continue to 
shine for a long time to come.

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[tw5] Re: SelectMode - KeeBoord Navigation

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UTC-4, BurningTreeC wrote:
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> Am Sonntag, 5. August 2018 03:01:07 UTC+2 schrieb h0p3:
>>
>> Hi community,
>>> for those interested in more advanced Keyboard-Navigation within 
>>> tiddlywiki I've created
>>> http://selectmode.tiddlyspot.com 
>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fselectmode.tiddlyspot.com=D=1=AFQjCNF9Egw0JZO9ua6IhLV9uxHt-zZIBg>,
>>>  
>>> where the "SelectMode" plugin will soon be available for drag 
>>> installation
>>>
>>
>> Sending you all my interweb XOXOs. Thank you! This could easily be my 
>> favorite plug-in.
>>
>> Meanwhile, if you're interested to test and comment, that would be great 
>>> help.
>>> I'm looking for ideas how to visualize that the wiki is in select-mode. 
>>> The top yellow bar will get an option to be disabled, but there should still
>>> be some kind of a visual hint that select-mode is on.
>>>
>>
>> Feel free to ignore anything I have to say here. I'm just spitballin'.
>>
>>- You might consider making it sticky as you scroll/navigate. It 
>>doesn't follow you, and that might be worth having. The "highlighting" of 
>>current/target/focused tiddler is outstanding. I really appreciate that 
>>very much, and I may not really even need the bar just because of that 
>>gorgeous highlighting.
>>- I use sticky titles (probably can't live without them). That 
>>function wasn't working nicely for me on that particular TW, and I'm not 
>>sure why. This might be a reason to put the bar on the bottom instead of 
>>the top, which also has that sometimes annoying "Drop here (or use the 
>>'Escape' key to cancel)" bar.
>>- Is it possible to start default in the text-body window for editing?
>>- You might consider adding a search bar that steps through entries 
>>better than http://j.d.spartan.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> This is really awesome.
>>
>>
> Thanks, very helpful!
> I've addressed some points you've mentioned:
> The select-mode bar is on the bottom now and should have sticky position
> You can now select if you want to focus the text-editor or the title when 
> editing a tiddler. I'll probably add shortcuts that will be active in 
> select-mode to focus title, tags, editor, type and fields inputs
>
> How did you imagine the search bar? How should it behave, what should it 
> search for... ?
>
> BTC
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[tw5] Re: SelectMode - KeeBoord Navigation

[h0p3]

>
> Hi community,
> for those interested in more advanced Keyboard-Navigation within 
> tiddlywiki I've created
> http://selectmode.tiddlyspot.com 
> ,
>  
> where the "SelectMode" plugin will soon be available for drag 
> installation
>

Sending you all my interweb XOXOs. Thank you! This could easily be my 
favorite plug-in.

Meanwhile, if you're interested to test and comment, that would be great 
> help.
> I'm looking for ideas how to visualize that the wiki is in select-mode. 
> The top yellow bar will get an option to be disabled, but there should still
> be some kind of a visual hint that select-mode is on.
>

Feel free to ignore anything I have to say here. I'm just spitballin'.

   - You might consider making it sticky as you scroll/navigate. It doesn't 
   follow you, and that might be worth having.
   - I use sticky titles (probably can't live without them). That function 
   wasn't working nicely for on that particular TW, and I'm not sure why. This 
   might be a reason to put the bar on the bottom instead of the top, which 
   also has that sometimes annoying "Drop here (or use the 'Escape' key to 
   cancel)" bar.
   - Is it possible to start default in the text-body window for editing?
   - You might consider adding a search bar without so many tabs to step 
   through a list more effectively than http://j.d.spartan.tiddlyspot.com/
   - The "highlighting" of current/target/focused tiddler is outstanding. I 
   really appreciate that very much.


This is really awesome.





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> Hi community,
> for those interested in more advanced Keyboard-Navigation within 
> tiddlywiki I've created
> http://selectmode.tiddlyspot.com, where the "SelectMode" plugin will soon 
> be available for drag installation
>
> Meanwhile, if you're interested to test and comment, that would be great 
> help.
> I'm looking for ideas how to visualize that the wiki is in select-mode. 
> The top yellow bar will get an option to be disabled, but there should still
> be some kind of a visual hint that select-mode is on.
>
> I'm also adding the functionality to select the dropdown entries of the 
> tag-dropdown, type-dropdown and field-dropdown using the keyboard,
> you can expect the plugin to be available vs the end of the next week
>
> all the best,
> BurningTreeC
>

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[tw5] Re: Firefox v61, can we just save over our current Wiki file without all the dialogs?

[h0p3]

 

> TiddlyBackup or file-backups
>
> Which version do you use? 
>

I didn't know there was a difference. Mouseover on extension icon says 
TiddlyBackup, I believe it's file-backups or File Backups 0.3.5 when 
looking at about:addons.

Latest FF version do have a "debugging tab" called: about:memory
> If you type:   about:memoryinto the URL line you'll get the info. .. 
> There is a lot of it! ..   window-objects are the interesting ones. 
>

Window-objects seem fine. This is the only place I can find significant 
memory usage on the page.

7,255.96 MB (100.0%) -- heap-committed
├──7,227.15 MB (99.60%) ── allocated
└─28.82 MB (00.40%) ── overhead

6,900.16 MB (100.0%) -- memory-blob-urls
└──6,900.16 MB (100.0%) ++ 
owner(moz-extension://868df8e4-264e-49a1-a324-6694383935aa/_generated_background_page.html)

Link takes me to: Index of 
jar:file:///home/h0p3/.mozilla/firefox/2sh2dff4.default/extensions/file-back...@pmario.github.io.xpi!/

Since FF57 the program is "multi threaded". So we have a main-process ... 
> which basically does the management and we have.  Web Content (pid ) 
> windows
>
> The Web Content windows contain the different tabs. ... So you can see the 
> memory consumption per tab. ... This is the interesting stuff ... that you 
> can check after some usage and / or some save events.
>

Web content is almost barren. Main process is the culprit. 


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[tw5] Re: Firefox v61, can we just save over our current Wiki file without all the dialogs?

[h0p3]

So finding good ways to organize my tabs and containers (living bookmark 
workflows) has been a quest of mine for a while. I've tried some different 
options out, and the add-on based solutions seem to have huge performance 
losses for me. I've probably been incompetent in how I wield and tweak 
these environments. I'm always looking to improve (so if you have any 
approaches or tricks, please let me know).

I can't live without workspaces; virtualization of desktops has changed how 
I reason about practical computing in a ton of ways. I've come a long way 
since Commodore 64 and Windows, and at this point, I'm addicted to 
workspaces in my desktop environments. This caused me to move to tiling 
window managers as my desktop environment to have more microscopic control 
and automation. I can't say I'm good at it, but it's been damned useful. 

I often abuse Ctrl+Tab and Ctrl+Shift+Tab to navigate my tabs in FF. I 
navigate between my tabbed FF windows with mod+Tab and Mod+Shift+Tab with 
the same directionality. It makes a kind of tree.

Here's a notion of the DE and the "Tabbed Tiling" of the FF windows. Each 
Tiled Tab is a container 



<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-B9-XAZEZCeI/W2S90eOf5mI/AA8/kMD93ERC3vo__Vm9EzQ34ZiKSu6KcCc9QCLcBGAs/s1600/2018-08-03-161313_1920x1080_scrot.png>


This is when I switch to another browser window tab.


<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2bsj0RKmdTs/W2S-GGkYJZI/ABE/R3JPAFagb40cRFTRLKnoICzGL9heyK_-ACLcBGAs/s1600/2018-08-03-161337_1920x1080_scrot.png>

The tile window manager gets pretty awesome when I need to start using lots 
of windows in the same container (each tab can be its own container). For 
example:

<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EhwacF8Rhv8/W2S-kB_clRI/ABM/vGaFelaEJ0oaPVrnyzpo2NLi14E8cn-IwCLcBGAs/s1600/2018-08-03-162521_1920x1080_scrot.png>

Working in terminals while browsing is useful. It can make even messy 
workspaces very usable.

<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-oCTK5d9GgRw/W2S-6S7FhDI/ABU/iRMH47LxX60_aLJr-fzz1i7rVjRc7Q1tQCLcBGAs/s1600/2018-08-03-163317_1920x1080_scrot.png>

Background to boot, clean workspace to boot:

<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nemu4xgW_GI/W2S_G6ohvCI/ABY/npFn547kIXwgdSTNxz3depKgQ6v1hlWVQCLcBGAs/s1600/2018-08-03-161303_1920x1080_scrot.png>
That's the idea anyways. I'm hoping with BurnTreeC's Select Mode add-on, 
I'll be able to continue to using less of my mouse with Tiddlywiki (which I 
use in full screen mode) especially.



On Friday, August 3, 2018 at 2:26:42 PM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Digresssing from the digression ... what do you do to get those tabbed 
> window trees?
>
> Thanks,
> -- Mark
>
> On Friday, August 3, 2018 at 11:14:27 AM UTC-7, h0p3 wrote:
>>
>> This may be a FF issue, but it's Tiddlywiki and Tiddlyback related in 
>> this case, imho. Maybe there is something to be done here besides closing 
>> FF out. I'm hopeful something can be done because I generally have several 
>> hundred tabs between 5-10 FF windows open at all times (tabbed window trees 
>> are amazing) with 40-60 add-ons and other tweaks sitting at ~4GB without 
>> running into this memory problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 3, 2018 at 1:55:35 PM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> I've had memory problems with or without TW (I think) with FF on 
>>> Windows. I don't seem to have the same problems when running on linux, but 
>>> that may just be that linux leaves more memory for FF to work with. I was 
>>> hoping that all the changes at 57 would result in better memory management, 
>>> but alas, that is not the case. The only solution seems to be to 
>>> periodically close out FF.  
>>>
>>> -- Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 3, 2018 at 10:29:12 AM UTC-7, h0p3 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't want to derail this thread at all, but I have a slightly 
>>>> related issue. I'm hoping you may be able to help me figure it out 
>>>> (obviously, you owe me nothing, and I appreciate your consideration to any 
>>>> degree). 
>>>>
>>>> I believe I'm experiencing a memory leak which may be related to 
>>>> TiddlyBackup (the only extension that consistently works for me). I use 
>>>> FF61 (TiddlyBackup, Owl, AdNauseam, English Popup Dictionary, 
>>>> ScrollAnywhere; fairly vanilla otherwise), on Manjaro, and I save probably 
>>>> ~100 a time day (or more). I'm using between 5-15GB (including swap) of 
>>>> RAM 
>>>> on FF which only has my wiki loaded. When I close it out, and reload, I'm 
>>>> back down to minimal FF memory usage. Clearly, I am doing something wrong. 
>>>> I spend so much time in

[tw5] Re: Firefox v61, can we just save over our current Wiki file without all the dialogs?

[h0p3]

This may be a FF issue, but it's Tiddlywiki and Tiddlyback related in this, 
imho. Maybe there is something to be done here besides closing FF out. I'm 
hopeful something that be done because I generally have several hundred 
tabs between 5-10 windows open at all times (tabbed window trees are 
amazing) with 40-60 add-ons and other tweaks sitting at ~4GB without 
running into that problem.



On Friday, August 3, 2018 at 1:55:35 PM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I've had memory problems with or without TW (I think) with FF on Windows. 
> I don't seem to have the same problems when running on linux, but that may 
> just be that linux leaves more memory for FF to work with. I was hoping 
> that all the changes at 57 would result in better memory management, but 
> alas, that is not the case. The only solution seems to be to periodically 
> close out FF.  
>
> -- Mark
>
>
> On Friday, August 3, 2018 at 10:29:12 AM UTC-7, h0p3 wrote:
>>
>> I don't want to derail this thread at all, but I have a slightly related 
>> issue. I'm hoping you may be able to help me figure it out (obviously, you 
>> owe me nothing, and I appreciate your consideration to any degree). 
>>
>> I believe I'm experiencing a memory leak which may be related to 
>> TiddlyBackup (the only extension that consistently works for me). I use 
>> FF61 (TiddlyBackup, Owl, AdNauseam, English Popup Dictionary, 
>> ScrollAnywhere; fairly vanilla otherwise), on Manjaro, and I save probably 
>> ~100 a time day (or more). I'm using between 5-15GB (including swap) of RAM 
>> on FF which only has my wiki loaded. When I close it out, and reload, I'm 
>> back down to minimal FF memory usage. Clearly, I am doing something wrong. 
>> I spend so much time in Tiddlywiki (https://philosopher.life/) that I'm 
>> willing to spend 15GB of memory if I need to. I'd rather not though. 
>>
>> I have it set to 10 Backups; my wiki is ~18MB in size.
>>
>> I can't reproduce it other than just through my daily usage (and that 
>> isn't terribly consistent either). From a freshly opened browser, I can 
>> spam save 20 times in a row, and my memory usage will balloon up for a 
>> minutes, but eventually something cuts away at quite a bit of it (still 
>> using 3GB of memory instead of 2GB on startup). However, over the course of 
>> a day, it builds up and doesn't get culled away. Is it demonically 
>> possessed? No, I am probably incompetent here. I woke up this morning with 
>> almost max memory usage which was solved by just closing the FF for TW (I 
>> use FF dev ed for browsing). I'd prefer to only close the browser when I've 
>> got an excellent reason.
>>
>> I may just eventually move to the NPM version, but I've experienced other 
>> kinds of problems with it. 
>>
>> I'm probably thinking about this all wrong-headed, and I would be 
>> grateful for any insight you may have to quelling this problem.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 3, 2018 at 4:25:35 AM UTC-4, PMario wrote:
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 3, 2018 at 10:20:25 AM UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Click the TW save button. ... there should be a message like this: 
>>>>
>>>> "saver-handler: Saving wiki with method save through saver tiddlyfox" 
>>>> ... if either file-backups or savetiddlers extension is active. 
>>>>
>>>
>>> savetiddlers also shows 3 more lines of info. 
>>>
>>> I did test this with FF-portable 61.0.1 - porableapps .com downloaded 
>>> from duckduckgo 
>>>
>>> -m
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Firefox v61, can we just save over our current Wiki file without all the dialogs?

[h0p3]

I don't want to derail this thread at all, but I have a slightly related 
issue. I'm hoping you may be able to help me figure it out (obviously, you 
owe me nothing, and I appreciate your consideration to any degree). 

I believe I'm experiencing a memory leak which may be related to 
TiddlyBackup (the only extension that consistently works for me). I use 
FF61, Manjaro, and I save probably ~100 a time day (or more). I'm using 
between 5-15GB (including swap) of RAM on FF which only has my wiki loaded. 
When I close it out, and reload, I'm back down to minimal FF memory usage. 
Clearly, I am doing something wrong. I spend a good chunk of my time in 
Tiddlywiki (https://philosopher.life/) that I'm willing to spend 15GB of 
memory if I need to. I'd rather not though. 

I have it set to 10 Backups; my wiki is ~18MB in size.

I can't reproduce it other than just through my daily usage. From a freshly 
opened browser, I can spam save 20 times in a row, and my memory usage will 
balloon up for 15 minutes, but eventually something cuts away at quite a 
bit of it (still using 3GB of memory instead of 2GB on startup). However, 
over the course of a day, it builds up and doesn't get culled away. i woke 
up this morning with almost max memory usage which was solved by just 
closing the FF for TW (I use FF dev ed for browsing). I'd prefer to only 
close the browser when I've got an excellent reason.

I may just eventually move to the NPM version, but I've experienced other 
kinds of problems with it. 

I'm probably thinking about this all wrong-headed, and I would be grateful 
for any insight you may have to quelling this problem.




On Friday, August 3, 2018 at 4:25:35 AM UTC-4, PMario wrote:
>
> On Friday, August 3, 2018 at 10:20:25 AM UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>>
>>
>> Click the TW save button. ... there should be a message like this: 
>>
>> "saver-handler: Saving wiki with method save through saver tiddlyfox" 
>> ... if either file-backups or savetiddlers extension is active. 
>>
>
> savetiddlers also shows 3 more lines of info. 
>
> I did test this with FF-portable 61.0.1 - porableapps .com downloaded from 
> duckduckgo 
>
> -m
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Keyboard Navigation

[h0p3]

Sorry I've taken so long to respond. This is outstanding! Love the demo.

I've tried importing all the right tiddlers necessary for select mode, but 
I have failed. I had something working, since I could push "Y" to get a new 
tiddler to come up, but it was definitely not functioning for me. Would you 
be so kind as to outline exactly what tiddlers I need to get for just the 
select mode? I will probably omit delete, since I'm not willing to make 
mistakes there (even with a nag screen). It is somewhat uncommon for me to 
clone a tiddler (but, I can guarantee I'm using Tiddlywiki all wrong in 
many respects). The ability to edit and close absolutely key to me though. 
I'm hoping that my sidebar will still follow me around during my 
navigation. 










On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 11:03:14 AM UTC-4, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> I found that I only need one Mode - I call it select mode.
>>
>> I activate it using alt-S. When it activates it sets some keyboard 
>> shortcuts active (adds the tag $:/tags/KeyboardShortcut to the already 
>> created action-tiddlers ... leaving select-mode disables these shortcuts)
>> these keyboard shortcuts have single letters assigned: E for editing, C 
>> for closing/cancelling, D for deleting, Y for cloning tiddlers. These 
>> shortcuts automatically also leave select-mode.
>> Left/J/K navigates to the previous tiddler in the story river, 
>> Right/L/Backquote navigates to the next
>>
>> I find this really handy and it works just with the keeboord plugin, no 
>> other dependencies needed
>> I think it'd be good to make the tiddler-edit-button leave edit-mode in 
>> case it's on, so that one can instantly start typing without having to 
>> press Escape first
>>
>> If you like it, let me know what you think
>>
>> BTC
>>
>
> I forgot mentioning that this can be tested on 
> http://muritest-reloaded.tiddlyspot.com 
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Keyboard Navigation

[h0p3]

Hey Diego,

I'm kind of absent-minded sometimes, but I owe you a debt of gratitude. 
Thank you for helping me reason about this tool. You helped me think about 
how to do this from the command line last December:

https://philosopher.life/#2017.12.04%20--%20Diego%20Mesa%3A%20CLI:%5B%5B2017.12.04%20--%20Diego%20Mesa%3A%20CLI%5D%5D

The "restart" issue was a dealbreaker for me. When will the newest version 
come out (or is the current newest what you mean?)? Bouncing between CLI 
and Browser would need to be seamless. I ended up going back to the browser 
to do my work, but I'm beginning to see I may have no choice if I wish to 
make serious progress on this front.

I prefer my edits to go out nearly real-time, and I was hoping to serve the 
entire wiki in a single .html file. Unfortunately, minutely compilation is 
a burden (I basically lose a core to do it). I may eventually move away 
from serving the entire wiki as a single html file though. What does 
decent-to-high performance Tiddlywiki http service look like? I'm thinking 
about using Hugo if I go this direction.




On Saturday, July 21, 2018 at 5:01:11 PM UTC-4, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Hey h0p3,
>
> I actually do a lot of editing of tid files from the CLI. Whenever I drop 
> a PDF file into a folder, a new tid file is created with the name of the 
> PDF, some tags, etc. and is opened in my text editor. I can fill it out, 
> save it and move on. Later on, I can restart my TW and it loads up all my 
> new tiddlers.
>
> In the newest version I think we wont have to restart it anymore. 
>
> On Saturday, July 21, 2018 at 2:45:33 PM UTC-5, h0p3 wrote:
>>
>> @ Diego Mesa
>>
>> Your dream (:P) searchbar is incredibly sexy. Now I want everything! 
>> Thank you for pointing out the keyboord plugin!
>>
>> @ BurningTreeC
>>
>> I'll be interested to see your example. I've run into the local/global 
>> hotkey problem in TW before, but you clearly understand more about the 
>> problem than I do. I'm hoping this problem is solvable, but I'm worried 
>> it's not. Global shortcuts which don't have access to the state of the 
>> cursor will indeed be limited; I probably have missed something crucial 
>> here. 
>>
>> In a sense, this is about turning my browser into a portable 
>> self-contained terminal environment. If I can't, then I will have two modes 
>> of editing my wiki. One from CLI and another from within Tiddlywiki. The 
>> NPM tool might not be meant for this (imho). It feels like I'd need two 
>> sets of books, the individual tid flatfile anthology/book and the .html 
>> book. I'd need a way to real-time update between the two (which is going to 
>> have its own set of weird problems). 
>>
>> Does anyone else spend a lot of time editing their wiki in command line? 
>> Please, tell me your secrets!
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Keyboard Navigation

[h0p3]

@ Diego Mesa

Your dream (:P) searchbar is incredibly sexy. Now I want everything! Thank 
you for pointing out the keyboord plugin!

@ BurningTreeC

I'll be interested to see your example. I've run into the local/global 
hotkey problem in TW before, but you clearly understand more about the 
problem than I do. I'm hoping this problem is solvable, but I'm worried 
it's not. Global shortcuts which don't have access to the state of the 
cursor will indeed be limited; I probably have missed something crucial 
here. 

In a sense, this is about turning my browser into a portable self-contained 
terminal environment. If I can't, then I will have two modes of editing my 
wiki. One from CLI and another from within Tiddlywiki. The NPM tool might 
not be meant for this (imho). It feels like I'd need two sets of books, the 
.tid anthology/book and the .html book. I'd need a way to real-time update 
between the two (which is going to have its own set of weird problems). 

Does anyone else spend a lot of time editing their wiki in command line? 
Please, tell me your secrets!

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[tw5] Tiddlywiki Keyboard Navigation

[h0p3]

Tiddlywiki is a major workspace for me (https://philosopher.life/). One 
problem that continues to only grow larger for me is navigation. I can 
build my wiki to make it easier to navigate in some respects, but 
physically navigating is a crucial problem when I have a ton of tiddlers 
open at the same time (I regularly do). Right now I navigate with: 
"ctrl+f," the "Open" tab, my own linking structures, the search bar, 
arrowkeys, pg up/down, and "Scroll Anywhere" (FF extension) accelerated 
middle click scrolling. I really want a way to navigate the wiki with just 
my keyboard.


What are the best practice methods for navigating Tiddlywiki with a 
keyboard? Is there any way to achieve the following?

   - Change the target tiddler by stepping up and down one tiddler at time 
   in my "Open" tab, even if they are already open (pg up/down don't work if 
   the tiddler is open, as it steps through the text).
   - Open a target tiddler
   - Initialize (and perhaps deinitialize) a cursor in the body of a target 
   tiddler.
   - Spider around the sidebar and tabs. 

This may be far too much to ask. I fully recognize you owe me nothing, and 
I'm very grateful for what I have. I'm just trying to improve the 
increasing friction in my workflow. The problem of navigation is at the 
point where I'm considering just building flat text/tid files (for which I 
can find effective keyboard navigation tooling) and compiling them into 
Tiddlywikis, but at that point, why use Tiddlywiki? I really want to keep 
my workspace as self-contained as possible.


Browser extensions, linux keyboard macro software, or anything you can 
think of is on the table for me. I'm reaching my ergonomic limits. Please, 
help me cast spells with my keyboard macros instead of my mouse.

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[tw5] Re: Seeking Wiki-Lifeloggers

[h0p3]

@ Josiah

I've written my response to you here: https://philosopher.life/#:[[2016.06.26 
-- Josiah%3A Hello]]

@ Ste Wilson

Thank you. I hope to continue improving it. 

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[tw5] Re: Seeking Wiki-Lifeloggers

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@ Josiah

I'm glad you like it. I'm always looking to improve it. I will think 
carefully about your comments.

@ TonyM

It is funny to me that many people this it is simply a blog. There are 
definitely blogs contained in it, but there are other structures in the 
wiki which aren't blog-like at all, imho. I'd like to think I'm uploading 
my mind into my wiki. It can be difficult to communicate what a wiki really 
is.

@ Mohammad

Yes, sometimes I need to write a wall-of-text. I've made a couple choices 
which help me deal with massive amounts of text. The tiddler toolbar 
feature is quite ergonomic for me. I couldn't imagine going back to using 
the wiki without it.

@ TJ Walker

Thank you. I would be extremely interested in feedback on how to improve 
its structure and function (from technical and semantic perspectives). I 
still feel like a noob trying to pilot this wiki.

@ Hubert

http://input.fontbureau.com/info/

I strongly prefer monospace, and there are tiny things which make it both 
readable and compact for me. I often have 20,000 words of tiddlers open on 
my screen at a time (I have to use several scrolling techniques to navigate 
these workspaces). The font is part of what makes it actually workable for 
me. Also, it fits the motif.

@ JD

Ha! Thank you. I would like to be the artist of my mind.








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[tw5] Seeking Wiki-Lifeloggers

[h0p3]

Hello! I'm trying to find people engaged in self-reflective, introspective 
lifelogging through personal wikis. I'd like to get to know you, understand 
your contemplative methodology, and attempt to learn from you about how to 
wisely use this amazing wiki tool.

This is my personal wiki: https://philosopher.life/. Desktop highly 
recommended; it's about ~14mb in size. 

Some of you are going to think "₩Һ혢ʈ ╤ћᘓ 픽ᵁʗꗪ" when you see my wiki. For 
some, my wiki may feel like Timecube or TempleOS. I apologize for wasting 
your time. Some of you, however, may be engaged in a similar process. I'd 
like to connect with you folks! You can also find my contact information on 
the wiki.

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[tw] Re: Grouping Terminology in Links

[h0p3]

Thank you both! I appreciate it. This can do what I need it to do. It 
throws off my coloration, but I think I can fix it.

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[tw] Grouping Terminology in Links

[h0p3]

Sometimes I spend time defining particular words in my wiki. I often link 
to my definitions in my writing. I write at high speed, and when I'm in the 
flow state, I don't have time to think about what the title of a 
definition's tiddler is. I can't afford to be bothered by it because I will 
lose track of what I'm trying to say. 

How do I make sure all of these:

   - Maxim
   - maxim
   - Maxims
   - maxims

...are automatically pointing to (or redirecting to) "Maxim"?

I truly hate doing this by tranclusions or going back to write 
[[foobar|Maxim]] each time. Am I using the wiki incorrectly? Please, tell 
me the idiomatic art of handling this problem (which I assume is common). 
Is there a tool that can handle this? Please, let me know. Do I need to 
build a tool for this? Please point me in the right direction. Also, feel 
free to tell me to "suck it up" and just do it by hand.

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