[translate-pootle] Portuguese plurals

[Chris Leonard]

I have conflicting infiormation on pt and ptZ_BR plural foms.  Does
anyone have a definitive take on this issue?


I have:

Portuguese nplurals=2; plural=(n != 1);
Portuguese (Brazil) nplurals=2; plural=(n > 1);

I have seen some things on differences in verb pluralization
differences, but no definitive statement, particularly about nouns,
which is the most common plural form case (in my project).

Any information would be welcome.

cjl

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Re: [translate-pootle] Is there a way to specify the alphabet/script for a given language with Pootle?

[Chris Leonard]

Well, ckb_IQ was submitted to glibc, but glibc is famously unresponsive, so
it has not landed yet.  In what I do for SugarLabs I need new glibc locales
from time-to-time and rather than wait for a C hacker to get around to it,
I put in the time and effort to earn commit privs on the project..  Having
sworn a sacred oath to only use my powers for good, I will work on chasing
this locale into the next release.

cjl

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 4:52 AM, Jason Pickering <jason.p.picker...@gmail.com
> wrote:

> I am not exactly sure if this indicates that this locale exists already,
> but maybe the localization experts can decipher it?
>
> *https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/langpack-locales/+bug/1388808
> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/langpack-locales/+bug/1388808>*
>
>
> Seems the locale "ckb_IQ" was used.
>
> Regards,
> Jason
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 7:30 AM, Dwayne Bailey <dwa...@translate.org.za>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> I see we use gtk.TEXT_DIR_RTL in Virtaal so I guess we're picking RTLness
>> from GTK, so not Virtaals' responsibility here.
>>
>> On 30 April 2016 at 14:15, Chris Leonard <cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Dwayne,
>> >
>> > Is there a similar listing in Virtaal?
>> >
>> > cjl
>> >
>> > On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Dwayne Bailey <dwa...@translate.org.za
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> > > Excellent, landed the PR.
>> > >
>> > > Chris: thanks for WP link I landed all the missing ones
>> > >
>> >
>> https://github.com/translate/pootle/commit/36b417fb089f479b174e6fd973c6897005a37a65
>> > >
>> > > On 29 April 2016 at 16:40, Jason Pickering <
>> jason.p.picker...@gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks Dwayne.
>> > >>
>> > >> I modified my local source, and it worked just fine. Thanks for the
>> tip.
>> > >>
>> > >> Regards,
>> > >> Jason
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Chris Leonard <
>> > cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Dwayne Bailey <
>> > dwa...@translate.org.za>
>> > >>> wrote:
>> > >>> > Hi Jason,
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > You need to add the language here
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> >
>> https://github.com/translate/pootle/blob/master/pootle/i18n/gettext.py#L62
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > I think that should be enough.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Others, of some are missing, please let me know so that we can
>> expand
>> > >>> > that
>> > >>> > list.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Dwayne,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I would suggest including the additional ones mentioned on this
>> page,
>> > >>> especially the ones for which a Wikipedeia exists.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-left
>> > >>>
>> > >>> cjl
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Jason P. Pickering
>> > >> email: jason.p.picker...@gmail.com
>> > >> tel:+46764147049
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Dwayne
>> > >
>> > > Translate
>> > > +27 12 460 1095 (work)
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [translate-pootle] Is there a way to specify the alphabet/script for a given language with Pootle?

[Chris Leonard]

Dwayne,

Is there a similar listing in Virtaal?

cjl

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Dwayne Bailey <dwa...@translate.org.za> wrote:
> Excellent, landed the PR.
>
> Chris: thanks for WP link I landed all the missing ones
> https://github.com/translate/pootle/commit/36b417fb089f479b174e6fd973c6897005a37a65
>
> On 29 April 2016 at 16:40, Jason Pickering <jason.p.picker...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Dwayne.
>>
>> I modified my local source, and it worked just fine. Thanks for the tip.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Chris Leonard <cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Dwayne Bailey <dwa...@translate.org.za>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hi Jason,
>>> >
>>> > You need to add the language here
>>> >
>>> > https://github.com/translate/pootle/blob/master/pootle/i18n/gettext.py#L62
>>> >
>>> > I think that should be enough.
>>> >
>>> > Others, of some are missing, please let me know so that we can expand
>>> > that
>>> > list.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Dwayne,
>>>
>>> I would suggest including the additional ones mentioned on this page,
>>> especially the ones for which a Wikipedeia exists.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-left
>>>
>>> cjl
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> email: jason.p.picker...@gmail.com
>> tel:+46764147049
>
>
>
>
> --
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>
> Translate
> +27 12 460 1095 (work)

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Re: [translate-pootle] Is there a way to specify the alphabet/script for a given language with Pootle?

[Chris Leonard]

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Dwayne Bailey  wrote:
> Excellent, landed the PR.
>
> Chris: thanks for WP link I landed all the missing ones
> https://github.com/translate/pootle/commit/36b417fb089f479b174e6fd973c6897005a37a65
>

Hopefully that is a good start.  Perhaps in my "copious free time"
I'll get around to developing an RTL inventory of ISO639-3. I spend
plenty of time with that particular standard and I'm wired into a lot
of different L10n communities.

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Re: [translate-pootle] Is there a way to specify the alphabet/script for a given language with Pootle?

[Chris Leonard]

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Dwayne Bailey  wrote:
> Hi Jason,
>
> You need to add the language here
> https://github.com/translate/pootle/blob/master/pootle/i18n/gettext.py#L62
>
> I think that should be enough.
>
> Others, of some are missing, please let me know so that we can expand that
> list.
>

Dwayne,

I would suggest including the additional ones mentioned on this page,
especially the ones for which a Wikipedeia exists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-left

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Re: [translate-pootle] Is there a way to specify the alphabet/script for a given language with Pootle?

[Chris Leonard]

It sounds like you are translating into Central Kurdish (Sorani) and
you might want to use a code like ckb instead of ku.

The ku_TR locale in Linux is defined as using a latin script (Hawar alphabet).

If you want I would be very happy to help you land a glibc (and CLDR)
locale for ckb.  That might be the best longterm solution to your
issue as well as doing a better job for all FOSS users of Sorani.
Sorry I don't have a Pootle-specific hack for you that would enforce
the alphabet, but I would put some thought into not using ku as it
will only lead to confusion down the road.

cjl

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Jason Pickering
 wrote:
> Hi Pootle Devs,
>
> Is there a way to specify a given script/alphabet which should be used for
> a given language?
>
> We are working on a translation for Kurdish using the Arabic script. I
> created a new language with the code "ku", but in Pootle, the default
> alphabet is Latin. Is there a way to change this somehow to use the Arabic
> alphabet?
>
> Regards,
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[translate-pootle] Fwd: [libreoffice-l10n] About bug in Pootle

[Chris Leonard]

fyi

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From: Leif Lodahl leiflod...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:56 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-l10n] About bug in Pootle
To: LibreOffice-l10n l...@global.libreoffice.org


Hi all,
I have found a serious bug in Pootle and reported it to our own Bugzilla:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71909

How do we pass this to the Pootle project?


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Re: [translate-pootle] Feature request: cascading template files

[Chris Leonard]

Seeing an alternative language exists for individuals (or did in earlier
versions of Pootle).  It is easy enough to copy/paste over and it also
gives you completion stats.  A hackish workaround for your feature, but
something to try in the meantime.  A copy/paste within one window is not a
lot more work than a use alt lang checkbox

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team/Pootle_Alternative_Language

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team/Pootle_Lengua_Alternativa

As for fail-over to another lang, isn't that best handled at runtime by
language settings in the environment?  Poolte just holds the PO files, a
software build system would need to know this stuff to create the MO files.


cjl
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 We face the following situation:

 The template language of our project is English. We have a complete
 translation in Spanish (es). Now, we have added a second Spanish language
 (es_MX). Since not all strings in both translations would differ, but only
 a few, it would help us if we could indicate that 'es' should be used as
 source for 'es_MX', but still have 'en' as template language.

 In our idea, we would see the 'es' string when we translate es_MX, and are
 able to check the box 'use this string instead of a separate translation'.
 Or even better (under Languages): use the 'es' string for all empty 'es_MX'
 strings. Then, when exporting, strings from both translation would be used
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Re: [translate-pootle] Feature request: cascading template files

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On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Edwin Boersma 
edwin.boer...@fasterminds.com wrote:

  Well, the alternative language function is of course a workable
 solution, but it is quite contra-productive to have to copy/paste all those
 strings that are exactly the same in both languages.



Not saying a programmed solution wouldn't be better for you, just
suggesting an interim workaround.  I'm not sure the difference is that
great on a three-button mouse Linux setup.

a) right-click highlight text, middle click paste, submit

b) Click checkbox for reuse, submit

c) Only one click on failover preference set in lang admin, but I still
don't get how this would work.

 Alternative:

Complete es_ES, download PO, re-upload to es_MX (maybe as suggestions),
then review es_MX, accept matching suggestions, submit

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[translate-pootle] Fwd: Virtaal and Python warnings

[Chris Leonard]

Just FYI.

cjl


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From: Reinout van Schouwen reino...@gnome.org
Date: Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 8:49 AM
Subject: Virtaal and Python warnings
To: gnome-i...@gnome.org



cc: gnome-i18n

Dear Python hackers,

We're doing a small translation sprint here at GUADEC and found out
that we couldn't use Virtaal any more, at least on the latest Sabayon
and Fedora releases. It used to work fine. Warnings are printed to the
console at startup and the editing boxes remain gray when you click on
them.

$ virtaal
/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/gobject/__init__.py:115: Warning:
attempting to add an interface (GtkCellEditable) to class (UnitView)
after class_init
  type_register(cls, namespace.get('__gtype_name__'))
/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/gobject/__init__.py:115: Warning:
attempting to add an interface (GtkCellEditable) to class (CellWidget)
after class_init
  type_register(cls, namespace.get('__gtype_name__'))
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File 
/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/virtaal/views/widgets/storecellrenderer.py,
line 192, in do_start_editing
self._editor_editing_done_id = editor.connect(editing-done,
self._on_editor_done)
TypeError: UnitView object at 0x18f4fa0 (UnitView at 0x16ae570):
unknown signal name: editing-done

Corresponding bug reports are:
http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2713
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=988049

After some research we found that the problem could be related to
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686149 and this commit:
https://git.gnome.org/browse/pygobject/commit/?h=pygobject-3-8id=efcb0f9fda65e24ae98438d61487d06db9eac1b1

Could you shed some light into the darkness for us? We've tried to
debug the problem but the error is a bit to deep for our feeble
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Re: [translate-pootle] Looking for starter kit

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On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Greg White gwh...@healthstatus.com wrote:
 Hello,

 We are new to the translation/localization process.

 Pootle 2.1.6 is running on our FreeBSD server, so that is good.

 Since that was accomplished, I have REALLY struggled.  Some sort of newbie
 starter kit would be great.

 It would be helpful to cover:

 The online Pootle doc says 2.5, but I can't find 2.5 anywhere, and my port
 was 2.1.6 where is that doc?

 The Pootle documentation does not show how to setup a new project.

Logged on to Pootle as a superuser, go to

Admin  Projects


 How to take a text file of messages (not pot format) and get them into
 Pootle as the starting point.

txt2po

http://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/translate-toolkit/en/latest/commands/txt2po.html

reverse it with po2txt.  Pootle is not ideal for long-form text, it is
well suited to sentence-length strings (like in most user interface
strings), but it does well with bullet-point slides or text outlline
formats.  We use it for lesson plans in outline format on behalf of
Waveplace.

http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/Waveplace/


 What is the best practice for taking a en_US file and implementing a en_GB
 translation? (similar translations that just need tuning)

One pretty good first pass is to use the en_GB.pl shell script from GNOME

https://live.gnome.org/BritishEnglish


 How does plural setup work in the user screen?

Not sure exactly what you mean, here is an extreme example (Arabic
with 6 plural forms)

http://translate.sugarlabs.org/ar/glucose/sugar.po?item=70

 I use the Google button and get an error message, is there a known issues
 list somewhere? (I have an API key for Google Translate)

 How do you connect the translation files and templates to git?


Have you implemented a git_user called pootle that gets commit priv
on the git repos?


 or if all that exists somewhere, some help on where to find it would be
 appreciated.  A lot of this may be obvious to many of you, but it is not to
 me.  If I have missed a newbie page, I do apologize, if you could point me
 at it I would appreciate it.


Hope some fo thsi helps.

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Re: [translate-pootle] How to update all files from VCS from command line ?

[Chris Leonard]

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Óscar Frías Barranco ofr...@gmail.com wrote:
 I would like to use VCS as the reference and most up to date version of the
 translation files.

I'm not sure exactly how that would work as the input occurs via
Pootle, so of necessity (at least momentarily) Pootle will have a more
completed PO file than the repo.

 And I would like Pootle to always have the same content that is in VCS.

I completely agree that keeping Pootle and the repo /po directory as
synched up as possible is desirable; but the natural dataflow is from
Pootle to the repo (at least for the PO files).

 For that I think I need two things:
 1) have a way to update Pootle from VCS from a cron job.  I think this full
 update from VCS would require first to do an update from VCS for every
 file, and then Update against templates for every language.
 2) every translator must commit to VCS his work every time

 Does this make sense?

Point 2 requires that every translator be a language admin (with
commit priv).  That fails to take advantage of the features of Pootle
as a collection point and staging area for draft translations that can
be reviewed prior to commit to the repo (e.g. suggestions,
submissions, pofilter checks, etc.).  I'm not brave enough to take
that step, and with 130 languages, the reality is that at any given
time, I may not have a suitable lang admin for some languages.

 The second bullet is a matter of discipline, but do you know how to do
 number 1 from command line ?

No question that certain disciplines must be observed and that cron
jobs are a very useful tool for doing the synch between Pootle and the
repo.

Let me describe the Sugar Labs workflow, which is different then that
you propose, but I will describe why we do it this way.  Even if you
are not convinced by my arguments (and you need not be), some of the
scripts I will point you to may be of use to you.

1) Developers add i18n to their code and generate the first POT file,
placing it in the /po directory.  After that the discipline we ask for
is that they never touch the /po directory directly again.  It is a
discipline of restraint from taking an action, so it is easier to get
compliance than a discipline of needing to take an action (as you
pprpose for translators).

2) Developers must add the special gituser: pootle as a committer to
the repo.  The SSH key for this proxy user was created by the Pootle
and repo admins, and this user acts as a go between between Pootle
users and the repo.  No repo commit privs are needed for individual
translators or even lang admins.

3) Pootle admins take care of adding new repos to Pootle, typically
when a developer files a ticket requesting L10n.

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/translate

4) The Pootle server has a local git copy of the repo.  Cron jobs keep
it synched up on a nightly basis.  We keep copies of these scripts in
our repo at:

http://git.sugarlabs.org/pootle-helpers/mainline

in particular the potgenerator script is key.

5) A nightly cron job regenerates the POT (with any fresh changes from
the repo) and sends an e-mail that lets me know if any changes have
been made that would require an Update from Templates.

6) Pootle users themselves can do an Update from Templates if they
want to be sure they have the latest files to work on, I typically do
a bulk update as a maintenance step if it seems needed.

7a) Only lang admins have commit to VCS, the essentially borrow the
gituser: pootle commit priv, but are de facto only able to commit PO
files, limiting the harm that can be done.  Only lang admins are given
upload with overwrite priv.

7b) Registered and logged on users pick up the default user privs
and can submit translations.  They can upload, but not with over
write.

7c) Drive-by (unregistered or not logged in) users can only make
suggestions by picking up the nobody user privs,  Of course, they
can download for off-line work.

8) Pending translations to be committed can be seen by the Pootle
admins by doing a git status on the repos on the Pootle server.

I know this is not the workflow you are describing at all, but this
does keep developers focused on developing and translators focused on
translating and minimizes th echance of them interfering with each
other while providing a means for them to stay as synched up as
feasible.  Essentially L10n is a service that developers can sign up
for.

It has worked for us for years with a broad diversity of independent
developers releasing at different times and a large translation
community.  YMMV.

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[translate-pootle] registration workflow enhancement requested

[Chris Leonard]

I have filed an enhancement ticket requesting some new features in the
registration workflow to allow convenient human moderation of
registration, or at least activation.

http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2679

I am on a 2.0.5 release and not the latest, so I do not know if any
such changes have already been implemented.  if not, I would like to
make an appeal that such a feature be considered a high priority as
the spam registration attack that I have been experiencing ultimately
poses a threat to the validity of the translation data itself that is
not readily recoverable.  If the forum spam-bots have found me, it is
only so long before they find other Pootle instances and this becomes
a more widespread problem.

Warmest Regards,

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[translate-pootle] Still getting slammed by spammers

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Is there a setting I can change that will turn off self-registration?
I really need to stop the accumulation of spam accounts, I am willing
to block all new registrations if needed to accomplish this end.

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Re: [translate-pootle] Still getting slammed by spammers

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On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:06 AM, David Pérez Villanueva
da...@grupoiris.net wrote:
 Yes. It's available on localsettings.py file (mine is in /etc/pootle/):

 # Set this to False to disable user registration, admins will still be
 # able to create user accounts.
 CAN_REGISTER = False

 David Pérez

 El 04/01/13 09:52, Chris Leonard escribió:

 Is there a setting I can change that will turn off self-registration?
 I really need to stop the accumulation of spam accounts, I am willing
 to block all new registrations if needed to accomplish this end.

 cjl


Do I need to restart the Pootle server after making this change?

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[translate-pootle] Pootle spam-bot registrations (some successfully activated)

[Chris Leonard]

Dear Pootle devs,

I have some concerns about certain Pootle registrations that I have
been seeing recently.  I am currently running Pootle 2.0.5 is powered
by Translate Toolkit 1.7.0.

Have improvements in the registration process been introduced since
that version (e.g. some sort of CAPTCHA)?


For example,

http://translate.sugarlabs.org/notices/57075
New user Deenereli registered.

http://translate.sugarlabs.org/accounts/Deenereli/

on checking in the Pootle User Administration panel, I found that this
user's e-mail was donation...@gmail.com

furthermore, the account had been activated, presumably by a response
to the registration confirmation e-mail that goes out from Pootle.

The results of a Google search on that e-mail address

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=donationasw%40gmail.com

gives me cause for concern.  The results are all from botscout and
stopforum spam web-sites.

I have inactivated the account manually and mailed a request to the
account for a personal response.  If I do not get one, I will delete
the account via the Pootle User Admin page.

http://translate.sugarlabs.org/admin/users.html?page=19

My concern is this is a registration from a forum spamming bot that
has the smarts to reply to registration mails in order to activate
accounts.

The problem for Pootle is that while we accept drive-by suggestions
from anonymous users (pootleuser group nobody), once a username is
registered, we typically accept actual submissions (pootleuser group
default).  This is potentially far more disruptive than suggestions.

I would rather not tighten down our nobody and default privs if I
can avoid it.  I would much rather understand how to prevent the forum
bots from successfully registering.  It may be that

There are some other patterns I am seeing in username registration
(without successful activation) that make me think there may be more
than one bot in play here.


Presumptive spam account registrations in the last 24 hours:

aidesteisolve
disperse...@gmail.com

AnogemotUntot
frank.py...@aol.com   (activated)

bisonbialz
gobizonkev...@gmail.com

BorisPef
borl...@gmail.com

demonmayj
gobizon.kev...@gmail.com

FreshNatalieXXY
freshnatalie...@gmail.com

gateBeathyBum
hyfrogen...@gmail.com

irnytxjoit
withdraw...@gmail.com

nunavivi
nunavivi...@gmail.com

olbjovnaiw
stickpinmq...@gmail.com

Proxitreck
comoca...@gmail.com

Scollussy
olgamalinkowskiewicz...@gmail.com

Teetlewafe
danisummi...@aol.com   (activated)

TrenseFaT
akdim...@yandex.com   (activated)

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Re: [translate-pootle] Join us in our first hack week

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On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Julen Ruiz Aizpuru jul...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi people,

 We are going to carry out an experiment next week by holding our first
 hack week.

 At this time our work will be focused on improving documentation,
 creating a theme for Sphinx, building a new static website for our
 software, and improving our Translation Memory server (amaGama).

 As you see we will be shifting our usual work area to focus on other
 things that also need attention but due to daily commitments it's
 impossible for us to work on them.

 Needless to say, we would love to see you join us during the next week.
 We can be reached in our usual communication channels, but most directly
 on IRC (#pootle on FreeNode). Our timezone is UTC+2.

 Want to know how you can contribute? You can learn more in the following
 page:
 http://translate.readthedocs.org/projects/pootle/en/latest/developers/contributing.html

 For the details and ongoing activity, you can reach the specific bugs in
 the following address (more to come probably):
 http://tinyurl.com/translate-hack-week

 Remember, from the 24th of September until the 28th, you can join us
 whenever you want to help us improve in the described areas.

 See you soon!
 Julen.


As this hack week has a certain housekeeping theme to it, you might
consider adding a scheduled hour or two for an IRC moderated bug-scrub
of Bugzilla.  It's good to clear the cobwebs out of the tracker from
time to time and I suspect there are a few dust-bunnies lingering in
Bugzilla (there always are in even the tidiest of projects).  And you
might come across one or two that you'll want to add to your list.
Just a thought.

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Re: [translate-pootle] Join us in our first hack week

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On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Dwayne Bailey dwa...@translate.org.za wrote:
 I'm really excited about this!

 I'm going to working on the review of the Pootle docs and the localisation
 of those.  With a great product we need great docs so I want to go through
 those and make sure they are up-to-date for Pootle.  Since Pootle is about
 localisation I really want to tackle the localisation aspect.  If you feel
 like helping I'd love your input, you could.  Read the docs and make notes
 of any issues or missing features. Localise the docs when I get that part
 up.  Help me work out how we can consistently take localised screenshots.

 So hopefully I can get some help from you next week.

Dwayne,

You might be able to get some inspiration from looking at this
FLOSSManuals text:

http://en.flossmanuals.net/open-translation-tools/index/

Yes much of it is about tools besides Pootle and Translate Toolkit,
but they are also covered. Even reading sections about other tools
might give you ideas on how to improve the Pootle documentation.

There is also a Chapter on translating images that might give you some
ideas on the localized screenshots challenge.

I can imagine two approaches to the screenshot challenge:

1) Setting up a little screenshot bot to run through all of the
relevant langs and capturing and saving many individual screenshot
images with lang-code prefixes or suffixes.  Leveraging an
accessibility tool like Orca for it's ability to automatically perform
keyboard and mouse input actions that otherwise would require manual
intervention is one possibility.  It is my understanding that some
people use ally tools in this way for automated testing  development.
The point is if you need to perform a repeated series of mouse and
keyboard actions to get to the section of a program (or website) that
you want to then act on (e.g. confirm lack of error message or take a
screenshot), it is possible to script this series of mouse and
keyboard inputs with a tool like Orca (or other tool).

For example Dogtail
https://fedorahosted.org/dogtail/
uses ally tools in this way for automated testing.

2) Or an alternative approach that is probably no less technically
daunting.  That is the idea of taking a screenshot in one language as
an SVG and then using tools to localize the SVG.


Just some thoughts.

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Re: [translate-pootle] [Translate-devel] Join us in our first hack week

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On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Dwayne Bailey dwa...@translate.org.za wrote:


 For example Dogtail
 https://fedorahosted.org/dogtail/
 uses ally tools in this way for automated testing.


 I'll have a look.  Anyone else would love to get more pointers


The Wikipedia article on Dogtail also points to other GUI testing tool
articles as well as some RedHat magazine articles about Dogtail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogtail

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GUI_testing_tools

I would imagine any number of the alternatives might also have
potential in in your screenshot challenge.

 2) Or an alternative approach that is probably no less technically
 daunting.  That is the idea of taking a screenshot in one language as
 an SVG and then using tools to localize the SVG.



 Sounds like a maintenance nightmare!

I didn't say it was a good idea, just an idea :-)

I've been vaguely interested in SVG L10n for some time.  We use a lot
of SVG images in Sugar for various reasons.  In the screenshot
context, I agree that the process would essentially involve faking the
text in the screenshots, which may not produce good results on
re-insertngn the translations as the whitespace and wrapping would be
all wrong.  I think this approach is far more suited to natively SVG
created images (for example, used as illustrations in some sort of
content)  than for your particular challenge.

BTW, I'd love to see an svg2po / po2svg widget set in the Translate Toolkit :-)

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Re: [translate-pootle] Delete PO files across all languaes

[Chris Leonard]

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 1:59 AM, Jason Pickering
jason.p.picker...@gmail.com wrote:
 Seems like this would be something much better handled through the
 database itself perhaps? I am not sure if I understand exactly if you
 need to delete the files, or to delete the translations in the
 database or both?

Very possibly, by my SQL skills are a little atrophied :-(

In my case (I'm not sure about Borislav's) I am moving a group of PO
files from one project to another.  I do not actually need to
physically move the files on the Pootle server, re-establishing a new
git connection in the new project takes care of picking up the
existing translations that have been committed to the repo.

What is important to me (in this case) is making the PO files go
away from the old project, so that they only appear in the new
project (after an Update from Templates.

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Re: [translate-pootle] rename and clone language

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On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Christian PERRIER bubu...@debian.org wrote:
 Quoting Michiel Dethmers (mich...@phplist.com):

 Hello Everyone

 My translators would like to split off Argentinian from Spanish, in
 order to account for the language differences.

 I currently have an es language. http://translate.phplist.com/

 So, I'd like to rename es to es_ES and clone es to es_AR, so
 that the Argentinians continue on the translation from where es is now.


 I would not recommend doing this. At least, leave es as is so that
 users with locales for countries that are neither Argentina nor Spain
 still have a Spanish translation.

 Also, I think this is the best way to waste resources by splitting
 work just because people can't agree on a few words and translations
 (for Spanish, differences are really minimal and most l10n teams I
 know have been able to find compromises to avoid fights about
 computador vs. ordenador). At least, for French, I always fight
 very hard when I find PO files names fr_CA, fr_CH and *also* fr_FR.

 So, as a short conclusion:
 - try to avoid the split
 - if you can't, don't change es to es_ES

I must agree with Christian.  At Sugar Labs, even with major OLPC
deployments in Uruguay, Paraguay, Peru. Mexico and elsewhere in the
Spanish speaking world, our Spanish L10n community has found common
ground in the advantages of maintaining a single lang-es project.

Having taken a fairly thorough look around at various translation
hosting servers, my sense is that many people begin these
country-specific branches with the best of intentions, but they are
almost never maintained in the long run.  I am entirely in favor of
linguistic self-determination, but I do think people over-estimate the
variability of the Spanish vocabulary from which software UI's
actually draw.  If the text concerned cuisine or culture, there would
be much more justification for the burden of maintaining the various
branches.

On the other hand, I am quite interested in developing more
country-specific voices for e-speak because spoken Spanish is far more
variable, with the yeismo and seismo (for instance).

Gnome upstream as an example:

Many 100% complete
http://l10n.gnome.org/teams/es/


Mostly 0%

http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/es_AR/
http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/es_CL/
http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/es_CO/
http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/es_CR/
http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/es_DO/
http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/es_EC/
http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/es_GT/
http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/es_HN/
http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/es_NI/
http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/es_PA/
http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/es_PE/
http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/es_PR/
http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/es_SV/
http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/es_UY/
http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/es_VE/


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Re: [translate-pootle] rename and clone language

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On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Michiel Dethmers mich...@phplist.com wrote:

 Thanks both, that's very helpful. Great to be able to learn from others'
 experiences.

 It's interesting though. You do often find that things are very
 different in some languages. Even british english and US english
 (organisation/organization) or brazilian portuguese and portuguese
 portuguese, or flemish and dutch. My project already has zh_CN and
 zh_TW, which I have no idea, but seem very different.

1)
en, en_US and en_GB are commonly found because
a) there are a number of distinct spelling differences (orthography)
that you do not see with Spanish.
b) the burden of maintaining the translations is actually quite minimal.

In Gnome, there is even a PERL script that takes a first pass at this
for you, with pretty good results.

http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-i18n/tree/en_GB/en_GB.pl

2)
zh_CN and zh-TW are in fact quite different, you never see just zh (in
my experience).   When present, both zh_CN and zh-TW typically get
well maintained.  Occasionally one will also see zh_HK, but it is less
common.

3)
pt_PT and pt_BR are very frequently found.  I don't know the
distinctions well, but when present, they both get well maintained.

4)
Occasionally one will see de_DE and de_CH, although much more rarely,
and generally with much less completeness on de_CH

5)
fa and fa_AF seems to be an important distinction as well (Iranian
Persian vs Afghani Dari).

Just my experience, FWIW.

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Re: [translate-pootle] Help for converting unknown lang file type

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On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Leandro Regueiro
leandro.regue...@gmail.com wrote:

 Not exactly what I was looking for, but thanks. Unfortunately it seems
 that this way the conversion back to the original format is not
 straightforward.


I tried to find a matching monolingual translation file format, but it
looks like the .lng extension is used by various packages, but
without any standardization on it's format.  It is possible there is a
cleaner (and more scriptable) forward and reverse hack using one of
the other Translate Toolkit components,

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Re: [translate-pootle] Moving to the official Pootle server

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2011/12/26 Selim Şumlu se...@sum.lu:
 Hi,

 This is Selim from the Mozilla Turkish community.

 We've been experimenting with Pootle 2.2 alpha lately for our Firefox
 translations, and now we're thinking of moving all of our works to the
 official server. But before we do that, we would like to know a few things:
 - How do we handle importing/exporting translations?
 - How do we handle .po convertion?
 I haven't seen any functions for those in http://test.locamotion.org. Will
 we need any outside help regularly for those? Would it be better if we use
 our own installation of Pootle?

 Thanks, and best regards,
 Selim Şumlu

I suspect the the admins of locamotion.org could give you more
extensive guidance, but they are probably visiting with their families
at the present time in celebration of the Christmas holidays.  I am
just a fellow Pootle fan and user.

As a start, I would like to point you to
http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/toolkit/moz-l10n-builder

Hopefully this page from the Translation Toolkit (which is developed
by the Pootle and Virtaal Developers, which in many ways represents an
extension of and a scriptable set of the basic functions they employ
in those programs.  I hope that reading that page and experimenting
some with that function may answer some (or even all) of your
questions, but in any event, it should serve to clarify some of the
available tools, if not exactly the workflow that is used on
pootle.locamotion.org for the African languages work on Mozilla
efforts that they host.

Warmest Regards,

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Re: [translate-pootle] Dealing with deleted keys in property files

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On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Jason Pickering
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 Hi there. We have been using Pootle to translate Java property files,
 and have a pretty stable workflow. However, sometimes the developers
 delete keys from the template files but they do not seem to be deleted
 from the translations files. Is there a way with update_stores to
 delete keys which are no longer needed?


Jason,

Just seeking some clarification, because I do not routinely work with
Java property files in Pootle.  Are you talking about the phenomenon
that occurs when a template POT files (not sure about Java files), is
updated by the developer in such a way that a string is eliminated
from use, but when you update the indovidual language PO file from
templates and look at the file, you find the deleted strings still
present at the bottom of the file, but now prepended with a hash and a
tilde character?

Normal PO string entry:

#: ../src/jarabe/util/emulator.py:40
msgid Sugar in a window
msgstr Sugar en una ventana

Deprecated PO string entry:

#~ msgid Personal Unblocking Key (PUK):
#~ msgstr Clave personal de desbloqueo (PUK):

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Re: [translate-pootle] Update files from templates - All strings marked fuzzy

[Chris Leonard]

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Tim Anil tima...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is this the expected behavior ? It would mean that after an update, all
 strings should be reviewed again even if they were not modified.
 Is there a special setting to avoid this and that only strings with slight
 modifications are marked fuzzy ?

We are running an older version of Pootle, but that is not the
expected behavior.  When I do an update from Templates, only
mismatched strings are marked fuzzy. (e.g. typo correction in original
or fuzzy matching to a new very similar string).

I can't help you much beyond that, but I'm sure someone else can.

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Re: [translate-pootle] transfer .po files

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On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Mason Leung rhymeje...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Chris,

 Couple more questions

 1) you mentioned about placing the pot file in /po.  I have pootle installed
 in /usr/local/pootle, where do I place that pot file for my install?  If I
 put the lang specific .po file in /usr/local/pootle/po/proj name/lang
 and do a 'rescan project files' I can see it show up.  But I have not been
 able to generate the .po uses using the .pot.

The developer places the .POT file in the /po directory of git (the
code repo).  In our situation, the developer never touches Pootle
themselves.

If you already have completed lang-specific PO files, you generate the
blank lang-specific PO file (from Templates) first, then you do a
language-specific upload with overwrite or an upload with merge to
populate it.

 2) In the pootle UI, under the 'files' tab for each project, it has a
 'update files from templates' button, where does it read the .pot from?  I
 assume this creates .po from .pot

POT files in Pootle go into a special language project called
Templates.  The can get there by and 'Update from VCS or by the
potgenerator scripts (run as a cron job).

It is from the Poolte Templates language that 'Update from
Templates works to merge in new / changed strings.

 3) Did you guys have something that hookup git and pootle?  I don't see
 there is a 'commit to vcs' link anywhere.  The user I use has the permission
 to 'can commit to version control', but I just don't see how to enable it in
 pootle

I did not do the initial install of the system, but yes, our git and
Pootle talk to each other.   For us, Commit to VCS pushes the Pootle
PO to the git /po directory with the lang-code as it's name.

Read this section

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/translate#Files

and look at our project_list.ini file

http://git.sugarlabs.org/pootle-helpers/mainline/trees/master/potupdater


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Re: [translate-pootle] transfer .po files

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On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Mason Leung rhymeje...@gmail.com wrote:
 We use git for code, the instruction on
 http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/version_control uses svn, and
 we don't have that install.  Is there a way to pull this using git?

Absolutely, Sugar Labs (and at least a few other Pootle users) employ
a git as backend.  Our is technically Gitorious, I think, but it is
close enough.

We employ some fairly simple scripts run as cron jobs that do things
like check the git repo for updated strings and pulls new string that
have been entered, we have another one that generate language packs
nightly for testing, etc. etc.

Maybe looking at those will give you a few ideas.

http://git.sugarlabs.org/pootle-helpers

I'm nott really a git guru, but one of my colleqageus wrote up this
documetnation on how we maintain the interactions between our Pootle
instance and our git repo.  Agian, maybe it will give you some ideas.

If you still have questions after reading that stuff, I may or may not
be able to answer them myself, but perhaps someone else on this list
can, or I can try to pass it along to my git guru, who is a busy guy
and currently bouncing around Peru from village to village as part of
an effort we are collaborating on.

I hope this is helpful, I am sure you can get where you want with a
git back-end.

cjl
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Re: [translate-pootle] transfer .po files

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Sorry, meant to include this wiki page, which might give you some
ideas of how we do things (no guarantee it is best practices, but
it works for us.

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/translate

cjl

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Mason Leung rhymeje...@gmail.com wrote:
 We use git for code, the instruction on
 http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/version_control uses svn, and
 we don't have that install.  Is there a way to pull this using git?

 Absolutely, Sugar Labs (and at least a few other Pootle users) employ
 a git as backend.  Our is technically Gitorious, I think, but it is
 close enough.

 We employ some fairly simple scripts run as cron jobs that do things
 like check the git repo for updated strings and pulls new string that
 have been entered, we have another one that generate language packs
 nightly for testing, etc. etc.

 Maybe looking at those will give you a few ideas.

 http://git.sugarlabs.org/pootle-helpers

 I'm nott really a git guru, but one of my colleqageus wrote up this
 documetnation on how we maintain the interactions between our Pootle
 instance and our git repo.  Agian, maybe it will give you some ideas.

 If you still have questions after reading that stuff, I may or may not
 be able to answer them myself, but perhaps someone else on this list
 can, or I can try to pass it along to my git guru, who is a busy guy
 and currently bouncing around Peru from village to village as part of
 an effort we are collaborating on.

 I hope this is helpful, I am sure you can get where you want with a
 git back-end.

 cjl
 Sugar Labs Translation Team Coordinator
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Re: [translate-pootle] transfer .po files

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On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Mason Leung rhymeje...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Chris,

 Thank you very much for the info.  I read through the sugarlabs pages and
 want to see if this setup makes sense

 1) there is a git repo that store all the translated .po files
 2) pootle holds it owns set of .po files locally
 3) translators update the .po files, a cron can merge those files back into
 git
 4) a cron do pull from git and generated the .mo files for pages to use
 5) a cron extracts and create new .po files from pages and does a merge with
 the existing .po files on pootle
 Repeat step 3 to 5 nightly.

 I got these steps based on reading the helper files, does it look similar to
 what you guys do in sugarlabs?

 Thanks,
 Mason


I think our workflow is more like this.

1) An activity devloper (Sugar labs term for owner a git project)
creatred a new project in git.  Here is an example:
http://git.sugarlabs.org/abacus

They are requested to follow Gnu formatting for git structure,
meaning the PO directory (/po) can always be found in the same place.
at the top-level of the projectrepo.

http://git.sugarlabs.org/abacus/mainline/trees/master

2)  The activity developer does two things.  They generate the POT
file and place it in the /po directory and they grant commit access to
a special suer called pootle.

http://git.sugarlabs.org/abacus/mainline/trees/master/po

3) After creating the POT file and placing it in the /po directory, we
ask the developer not to mess with the .po directory to avoid loss of
synchronization.

From this point on, Pooltl essentially controls the /po directory
without any intervention from the developer.

Steps 1-3 are developer actions

4) The POT file is added to the 'Templates language project.
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/translate#Adding_activities

5) The language admins (or the Poolte admin) can do an 'Update from
Templates via the Poolte UI, which causes the new POT from Templates
to be created as a PO file in a given language project.

Any subsequent  Update from Templates is a merge operation on the PO
file, the existing translations are merged into the new template
derived from the POT in the Templates language.

6) The localizers do their translations, the lang admin reviews and
then commits the translated PO file using Commit to VCS link on
the Translate Tab in Poolte.

7) The special gituser: poolte is essentially a proxy who's commit
priv is borrowed by language admins (granted commit priv in Poolte
Admin UI).

See for example the git commit logs here:
http://git.sugarlabs.org/abacus

Where the Polish language administrator Jakub committed the lang-pl
PO file for abacus by selecting the Commit to VCS option, which
appears for him in Pootle  because he has been granted commit to VCS
priv (for lang-l) as a lang-admin for lang-pl.

We do not automate this commit to git because we believe it should be
an affirmative action by a human reviewer, not a machine's call.

During the period of time before the commit action by the lang-admin,
the translations in the PO exist in Pootle, but not git.  (Your point
#2)

Points 4-7 are actions taken by Pootle admin (or lang admin)

8) We do however automate the process of updating the POT files in the
templates language (the potgenerator script) This means that when the
developer adds a new string, it is added to the POT in the Templates
language by the script,  ultimately propagated to the individual
languages by Update from templates actions.

9)  For localization testing purposes, we take the PO files (the ones
commited to git, I think, not the ones in Pootle) and we generate the
.mo files as a part of  self-installing scripts we call language
packs.

Steps 8 and 9 are performed by the scripts.

10) Under normal circumstances (a developer's build or release
generation), the .mo files are generated from the git-committed PO
files in the git project's /po directory.

Does that make sense?

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Re: [translate-pootle] Koha translation

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Dear Luang Prabang,

There is a little confusion.  Your message was sent to the list used by the
people that write the Poolte software that is used by many projects,
including Koha) to perform translation.  The Pootle developers do not
administer every Poolte server that is used by other projects.  Pootle
should be capable of hosting Lao translation.

The Koha community hosts their own Pootle database here:

http://translate.koha-community.org/

You should write to the Koha-translate mailing list and request that they
add a Lao language project.

http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-translate

I'm am sure they will be able to address your request, but unfortunately the
Pootle developers cannot help you.

cjl

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 Dear Sir/Madam,
 We are Lao team translator, we try to translate Koha 3.2 into Lao language
 but it doesn't work. It seem like our language isn't support or not on your
 translation list.
 before we did have translate Koha 3.0 it work fine then we stop translate
 for a while and then we upgrade from 3.0 to 3.2 we try to translate again
 but cannot fine our language on the list

 could you please help us upload Lao language to you system, it is very
 important for us to do it because we need you upgrade all library in Laos
 up
 to modern but all most the librarian they don't know English or other
 languages.

 hopefully, you will see how's important for us and how's useful of you
 software.


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[translate-pootle] Fwd: #2725 UNSP: Brazilian Portuguese problem

[Chris Leonard]

Does any one have any idea what would cause this sort of problem?

http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2725

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#2725: Brazilian Portuguese problem
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   Reporter:  cjl                        |          Owner:  RafaelOrtiz
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Comment(by RafaelOrtiz):

 update, I'm getting this error while trying to perform re-indexing for
 pt_BR:


 {{{



 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error] Traceback (most recent call last):
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]   File
 /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/django/core/handlers/base.py, line 92, in
 get_response
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]     response = callback(request,
 *callback_args, **callback_kwargs)
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]   File /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-
 packages/pootle_app/views/language/view.py, line 56, in decorated_f
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]     return f(request,
 translation_project, *args, **kwargs)
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]   File /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-
 packages/pootle_app/views/language/view.py, line 66, in decorated_f
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]     return f(request,
 translation_project, *args, **kwargs)
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]   File /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-
 packages/pootle_app/views/language/view.py, line 203, in handle_file
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]     return
 handle_translation_file(request, translation_project, file_path)
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]   File /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-
 packages/pootle_app/views/language/view.py, line 127, in
 handle_translation_file
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]     return find_and_display(request,
 store.parent, next_store_item, prev_store_item)
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]   File /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-
 packages/pootle_app/views/language/translate_page.py, line 846, in
 find_and_display
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]     store, item = get_position(request,
 next_store_item, prev_store_item)
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]   File /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-
 packages/pootle_app/views/language/translate_page.py, line 828, in
 get_position
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]     return
 process_post_main(store_name, item, request, next_store_item,
 prev_store_item)
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]   File /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-
 packages/pootle_app/views/language/translate_page.py, line 810, in
 process_post_main
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]     prev_item, next_item =
 process_post(request, store)
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]   File /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-
 packages/pootle_app/views/language/translate_page.py, line 804, in
 process_post
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]     last_item =
 handle_submits(last_item, request, store, submits, skips, translations,
 comments, fuzzies)
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]   File /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-
 packages/pootle_app/views/language/translate_page.py, line 744, in
 handle_submits
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]
 unit_update.update_translation(store, item, newvalues, request)
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]   File /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-
 packages/pootle_app/unit_update.py, line 75, in update_translation
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]     user=request.user,
 language=translation_project.language)
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]   File /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-
 packages/pootle_store/fields.py, line 209, in updateunit
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]     self.reclassifyunit(item, checker)
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]   File /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-
 packages/pootle_store/fields.py, line 148, in reclassifyunit
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]     state =
 self._statscache.recacheunit(self.path, checker, unit)
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]   File /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-
 packages/translate/storage/statsdb.py, line 122, in decorated_f
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]     result = f(self, *args, **kwargs)
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]   File /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-
 packages/translate/storage/statsdb.py, line 514, in recacheunit
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]     fileid = self._getfileid(filename,
 check_mod_info=False)
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]   File /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-
 packages/translate/storage/statsdb.py, line 122, in decorated_f
 [Thu Jul 21 23:26:02 2011] [error]     result = f(self, 

[translate-pootle] PO Commit tracking in the web UI

[Chris Leonard]

Did any of you guys ever see the commit flag hack that Sayamindu  had
done to our Pootle instance? Unfortunately we lost it in the last
upgrade.

It was a nice feature, you had a check mark if the PO file had been
committed, which changed to an X if there have been changes since the
commit. It is an easy way for lang admins to see what needs to be
committed.  A simple idea (in concept), but very useful. Otherwise,
you are poking around the git repo and looking at commit logs trying
to sort it out.

I will ask Sayamindu if he still has the code around somewhere to
share with you,  I wish I had it on our current instance.

cjl
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Re: [translate-pootle] Greek encoding

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On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Fabien Grenier fabien.gren...@rtone.frwrote:

 Hi Chris, thanks for your answer.

 Unfortunately I don't think it's a font problem. Indeed I can see greek
 letters in my computer (I see your pootle without problem) and I try to
 insert greek text in pootle (got with google traduction). I see that the
 http post request contains the greek text but the http response contains
 . I think it's a bad config of Pootle or perhaps Django. Did you do
 anything about encoding stuff when you installed pootle ?



I didn't do the install, so I can't say.  The other thought that occurs to
me is to check the POT to see what it's encoding is (e.g. UTF-8 or what).  I
may not be able to help you as much as the other people on this list, but I
thought I'd try to rule out some of the simpler error types.

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[translate-pootle] Fwd: OmegaT conversion to PO

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On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 4:08 AM, F Wolff frie...@translate.org.za wrote:


 Op Do, 2011-03-17 om 17:58 -0400 skryf Chris Leonard:
  Dear Pootleers,
 
  Is there any element of the Translate Toolkit that would rapidly convert
 a
  downloaded OmegaT glossary (i.e. the Mozilla glossaries) into a PO file?
 
  I can do the manipulation in MSExcel without too much trouble, but I
 thought
  there might be a trick to doing it via Translate Toolkit elements.  I'm
  looking to take the Mozilla Glossaries and use them to seed translation
  memory via the Terminology Project in Pootle.

 Hi Chris

 As far as I know there isn't an existing tool for exactly this task, but
 I think we'll find a solution. Firstly, the Translate Toolkit can read
 and write the OmegaT formats fine. You can maybe confirm with Virtaal
 that can open these files. If they open fine, then we'll support it fine
 elsewhere as well.



I can confirm that Virtaal opens them correctly.  A Save as option there
(offering PO) would be a lovely enhancement.

As they are tab-delimited, OmegaT files also open nicely in MSExcel and I
used my familiarity with that to rapidly build it into a PO format by adding
indexing columns, some copy/paste, using the sort command, and the
concatenate function to add in missing pieces like msgid/msgstr and quotes.
I've twisted MSExcel's arm to do tricks like this for a long time and it was
not too painful for me.

I thought it best to ask if there was something I was just missing when I
reviewed Translate Toolkit.  FYI, the Mozilla Glossaries do make a
reasonable seed set for Terminology in those langs where they are available.

Regards,

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[translate-pootle] OmegaT conversion to PO

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Dear Pootleers,

Is there any element of the Translate Toolkit that would rapidly convert a
downloaded OmegaT glossary (i.e. the Mozilla glossaries) into a PO file?

I can do the manipulation in MSExcel without too much trouble, but I thought
there might be a trick to doing it via Translate Toolkit elements.  I'm
looking to take the Mozilla Glossaries and use them to seed translation
memory via the Terminology Project in Pootle.

TIA for any advice.

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Re: [translate-pootle] rc02 - Languages appearing on home page

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On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 4:34 AM, F Wolff frie...@translate.org.za wrote:

 Op Sa, 2009-12-05 om 01:00 -0800 skryf Graham Oliver:
  Hi
  When I first set up the server I got a message about 'databases being
  generated'. During this time I spotted that Maori was there.
  However, when finally redirected to the home page, Maori is not one of
  the languages listed.
  Is this a feature or a bug?
 
  Regards
  Graham Oliver

 Hallo Graham

 The statistics are calculated for all languages registered in the
 database, but the front page only shows languages for which there is any
 files (whether translated or untranslated).

 If you want to see Maori listed, the best way is to get Pootle
 translated into Maori, and to work towards a good terminology file.

 Let us know if you are interested, and then we can add Maori to the
 Pootle project at http://pootle.locamotion.org/

 Do you know the information about how plurals work in Maori?

 Keep well
 Friedel


Graham,

There is a small OLPC-focused Maori Terminology file just beginning to be
translated on the Sugar Labs / OLPC Pootle server.

http://translate.sugarlabs.org/mi/

We've got quite an active group of testers in New Zealand and OLPC Oceania
is doing a rather large deployment (including 100% coverage in Niue).

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Niue

You'd be most welcome to join the Sugar Labs / OLPC L10n list and we'd
really welcome any help you could provide with Maori localization of the
Sugar interface.

http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/localization

For Maori plural forms, we are currently using a default of n=2 and a plural
equation of N  2 , but that is not based on sound information, just a
guess.  If you can give more definitive information of the proper Pootle
plurals setup for Maori, I would really appreciate it.

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Re: [translate-pootle] Issue with Merge

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On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 3:43 AM, F Wolff frie...@translate.org.za wrote:


   Nicolas, do you think it would be possible to make an update release
 for
   Debian from the Pootle 1.2.1 branch with the latest fix to work
   correctly with translate-toolkit-1.4.0?  I think this might be the
 issue
   we are seeing here.
 
  version 1.2.1-4 contains the commit from revision 12249.
  Friedel, do you think there are other patches I should include?

 Everything on the Pootle-toolkit-1.2 branch is safe to package.  There
 are extra translations we could probably package (bug 652), but nothing
 else in SVN that I know of. If somebody wants to look at getting those
 translations in (all instructions are in the bug) that will be nice.



Well, since I was the one that filed #652, I guess I should take a look at
fixing/closing it :-).

I have already transferred some strings from a few of the languages where
the OLPC / Sugar L10n community has better coverage than locamotion (just
trying to show a little love to the upstream).  Since that bug was filed,
OLPC sugar has migrated our Pootle server so the links I gave are bad now
anyway.   Today is the beginning of string freeze for the next Sugar
release, so if anyone has some spare cycles, you're welcome to drop onto the
OLPC / Sugar L10n list:
http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/localization

or check out your favorite languages on our Pootle instance:
http://translate.sugarlabs.org/

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[translate-pootle] OLPC / Sugar Pootle enhancements

[Chris Leonard]

I just thought I would mention that while the OLPC / Sugar Pootle instance
is still an older 1.1 release, Sayamindu Dasgupta has made some useful
enhancements.  In particular, he has hacked up an automated msgfmt check and
status indicator that displays next to the PO files when viewing a
particular project.  Either a check-mark or an X communicates some useful
information about success or failure of msgfmt check that show in a message
box on mouseover.

As many of the localizers working on Sugar strings are quite new to FOSS and
localization, this feature provieds very helpful clues for language
administrators trying to track down relatively common formatting errors
(e.g. incorrectly editing Python variables in the strings and the like).  It
is a pretty neat hack.

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Re: [translate-pootle] BuddyPress translation ?

[Chris Leonard]

It looks like there is a already Danish Wordpress localization.

http://codex.wordpress.org/WordPress_in_Your_Language#Danish_-_Dansk_.28da_DK.29

cjl

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Dwayne Bailey dwa...@translate.org.zawrote:

 Hi Henrik,

 On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 13:48 +0200, Henrik Hammer Berthelsen wrote:
  Hi, newbie here :-)
 
  As a followup to Eric Jung's question, I would like to know, if you
  can add BuddyPress to your locamotion server as well? WordPress is
  already registered as a project, and I would like to help translate
  BuddyPress .pot files.
 
  Can that be arranged? By whom?

 The same issues apply.  If you are able to take on the role of project
 liaison, i.e. you convert files to PO.  Upload, push them back to
 buddypress then it makes things easier.

  And how can I offer my help, translate WordPress to danish?

 Is there an existing Danish translation of Wordpress or is this the
 first, my guess would be that something already exists.  Can you check
 that first please.

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Re: [translate-pootle] Interface improvements

[Chris Leonard]

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:14 AM, Clytie Siddall cly...@riverland.net.auwrote:


 I've noticed on the OLPC Pootle that blank strings will often have a
 Vietnamese translation suggested on the LHS, under the original
 string (this is a translation I've entered in another file of the same
 project). That's a useful reminder for translation consistency. In
 addition, would it be a big ask to have that text clickable as well,
 to fill in the translation field? For projects with a lot of
 repetition (Sugar is an exasperating example), that would be a major
 time-saver as well.


The current Sugar / OLPC Pootle is ver1.1 although a ver1.2.1 upgrade is in
the works, for various reasons, waiting for a stable ver1.3 is not a
desirable option, although I am looking forward to that possibility in the
near future.

Your efforts to complete the lang-vi UI strings (in spite of the
exasperating repeats) are much appreciated.  My impression is that while
Sugar's reasonably international developer base and feedback from
deployments (along with Sugar's inherently graphics-heavy / text-light
design aesthetic) have worked to the advantage of i10n/L10n issues, I think
your comments about room for improvement in i18n best-practices are well
taken and I would certainly welcome more voices raising such issues in
forums like the sugar-devel (http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel)
and OLPC L10n (http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/localization) lists so that
i18n/L10n design concerns remain front-and-center in the minds of Sugar
developers.

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Re: [translate-pootle] Adding a project

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On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Dwayne Bailey dwa...@translate.org.zawrote:

 Hi John,

 Please keep the thread on the list, there'll be others I'm sure who will
 need this info.

Speaking only for myself, as someone hoping to contribute more to the Sugar
/ OLPC localization community by trying providing some administrative
assistance to our over-worked Pootle admin, I am learning a great deal from
this thread.  I am most sympathetic with John's struggle to master a
new set of tools and while I can understand some reluctance to live out all
of the inevitible newbie mistakes in full view of the list, I am finding
it quite instructive.  I also find the willingness of Dwayne and others on
the list to jump in and provide assistance a very positive sign of a healthy
community.

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Re: [translate-pootle] Frequncy list

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On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Asiri Udara asiri.ud...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear All,If their any possibilities to obtain most frequent used 100 UIs
 (User Interface) in the software?
 If their any place to download or collect that resources?

 My Objective is collecting above resources, because when  localizing SW we
 usually we do same strings again and again.  So collecting such as data: I
 hope to make a pre translated database which anyone can reuse and
 distribute
 . So that will help to merge with other data bases easily.

You ask any possibilities to obtain most frequent used 100 UIs (User
Interface) in the software?  The question is which software?

I am interested in ways to improve standardization of internationalization
(I18n) practices by use of common UI strings with similar contexts within
the One Laptop per Child project's many small collections of UI strings for
the Sugar software and activities (small applications).  Sugar represents an
interesting case as Sugar software design practices emphasize a heavily
graphical interface with fairly minimal Ui strings and so there are many one
word UI strings (e.g. Save, Open, etc.).  The  challenge in trying to
leverage this without extensive reference to context is that many short
strings can have ambiguous meanings

Left (remaining) or Left (direction), Clear (erase) or Clear (transparent)
and so on.

This means that while having translation memory available to make
suggestions (as can be accomplished by using a terminology project in
Pootle, you cannot eliminate the need for a skilled human translator in
providing an thoughtful interpretation (in context), although you can
certainly reduce the number of times certain strings need to be re-typed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Translation_memory

See for instance OLPC Thai terminology project:

https://dev.laptop.org/translate/th/terminology/

The tools described on these pages maybe of interest:

Within Translate toolkit:

http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/toolkit/pocompendium

http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/toolkit/poterminology

Within Pootle:

http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/updatetm

http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/terminology_matching

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