Charles Perry Locke wrote:
DavidH, ask Jeff to get the pastor's name and email
address and you can ask
him directly what he meant. Otherwise, we are jousting at windmills.
I would
take Jeff's word for it, but he may be using the LDS definitions of
the
words, thus, not understanding what the
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
>DAVEH: I've previously wanted to discuss these
Perry, but so far I don't
>recall anybody wanting to have a serious discussion. Are you
willing to do
>so? If you don't like how I defined them, please offer your
definition and
>we can chat about our contrasting views.
Dean Moore
Fear God and keep His commandments/ trust Jesus
To all the brethren :
I have been asked to leave this site for breaking the Ad. Hom rules-to
which I will comply. I realize that I should have smiled more and said
nicer things more often-but feel that the issue at hand was a grave
Perhaps the greatest example of Jesus striving against sin is conveyedto us in the following account:And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down,and prayed, Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me:nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. And there
No hard feelings brother. You made some valid
points that I cannot argue with, especially with the verses you quoted the last
couple of days.
I think our biggest problem on tt is the inability
to know the attitude of the writer whenwe readeach
otherswords. It is too easy for something said
You take this as personal?
Are you a RM? If the shoe fits wear it!Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blaine: These are all personal attacks to one degree or other Kevin. Rules of TT are commonly broken by you, but the rest of us have to toe the line, huh? Why is this, Kevin? Also, I
Blaine wrote:
These are all personal attacks to one degree or
other Kevin. Rules of TT are commonly broken by
you, but the rest of us have to toe the line, huh?
Why is this, Kevin? Also, I recall your epithets
from prior posts--seems like we were all labeled
a bunch of thinskinned
Your quote here was someone else
Read check what you post.
If I am wrong go ahead tell us
Instead of answering you fall back on it is a "personal attack"
I just pointed out, what you said.
"OFFICE with COUCH"
"LISTENS to PROBLEMS"
WHO COULD THIS BE?
You did not tell me how I was wrong, you
Dean wrote:
To all the brethren:
I have been asked to leave this site for breaking
the Ad. Hom rules-to which I will comply.
Who asked you to leave the list? It wasn't me and I am the only one
with the authority to enforce such a request. I'm asking you to stay,
Dean. I want you here.
Anyone who will judge a matter before he hears it all, is a fool.
Are would you rather deal with one side lets roast this guy?
Does he deserve a day in the court of our opinions?
If he was brought in should we gag him?
Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blaine: Yup, now we need to give
There are some who call themselves Baptist
They are as much Baptist as FLDS is LDS
I have no idea what this "pastor" believes. Let him speak for himself.Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blaine: Am I reading this as it appears, Perry--do I hear you saying let'sgive that Baptist preacher
I'm really sorry to hear this Dean; you will be missed. I like your
zeal
for the Lord and His Truth; also I have appreciated and enjoyed the
special
and unique way you have of expressing yourself at times.
I'm glad to know you and your wife are in Asheville taking a stand for
righteousness
I think Blaine may be a RM and was offended at my RM illustration.
Maybe he takes greatpride in hismission.
Sorryhe took it personal, it was not aimed athim as an attack on his person.
A RM,is an affront to the many missionaries that buried their children wives on a foriegn field. If anything
Blaine: To Dean--We loved you Dean, and hate to see you go. Thanks for your
personal e-mail address, I will add it to my list, and keep in touch from
time to time. We did not agree on much, but we both know Jesus Christ as
our redeemer. Take good care, man.
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From:
Blaine: Am I reading this as it appears, Perry--do I hear you saying let's
give that Baptist preacher an opportunity to change the meaning of what he
said?
No, you do not hear me correctly. You have added your spin to what I wrote.
I am saying instead of hearing only ONE side of the story,
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
DavidH, ask Jeff to get the pastor's name and email address and you can
ask
him directly what he meant. Otherwise, we are jousting at windmills. I
would
take Jeff's word for it, but he may be using the LDS definitions of the
words,
DAVEH wrote:
Wow!!! So whether or not (as Kevin is questioning) Jeff
understood the pastor's reply correctly, there are actually
Christians who believe God created people specifically
to burn in hell to glorify Him. (Have I got that right,
DavidM?)
Yes, that is correct. The
DAVEH: Dean.I hope you are not feeling that I am pressuring you to leave TT.
Nothing can be further from the truth. I do not want you to leave, and as Blaine and
DavidM also saidneither do they. So why the sudden departure? Please reconsider.
BTWI assume you consider
Blaine did you go throught the Temple when they still had a "Protestant Preacher" who was the minion of Satan?
A Preacher that was to represent all "Protestant Preachers" who did the will of Satan?
Maybe that has colored your reaction, so that you put your spin on Perry's words.
If all "protestant
And the two of you, do not agree on this.
"we both know Jesus Christ as our redeemer"
Have we been talking to the wall?
I am sure Dean would agree:
I am a Christian, you are LDS
I am not LDS, you are NOT Christian!
Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blaine: To Dean--We loved you Dean, and
http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon288.htm
ADAM: I am looking for messengers.LUCIFER: Oh, you want someone to preach to you. You want religion, do you? I will have preachers here presently.(Lucifer turns his head as a PROTESTANT minister approaches.)LUCIFER: Good Morning sir!PROTESTANT MINISTER:
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So your idea is that Jesus was created in the same condition as the first
Adam? Here are some problems with this idea:
1. If Jesus was in the same condition as the first Adam BEFORE the fall,
then having never sinned, Jesus would be immortal and incapable
Perry wrote: I do not want Christians who do not know the LDS
meanings to be mislead into thinking that the Mormons think
or believe the same way Christians do. Call me protective, but I
feel it is my duty, if I know that someone is being mislead
by words, to correct that. You
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From: "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:41
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Like God and One With
God
From: Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:
Blaine,
Yes. Either that, or you both are extremely naive. For example, DavidH
said that he believes non-Mormons can go to heaven. I feel confident that he
knows that Christians believe there is one place called heaven, and LDS
believe there are three. He did not point this out...and since
Blaine: Just in case anyone got the wrong
impression that I just might be a Christian, Kevin felt compelled to put his own
two cents worth on the message. LOL
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From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday,
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From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:17
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] new
revelation
Blaine did you go throught the Temple when they still had a "Protestant
Preacher" who was the minion of
Blaine wrote to Perry:
Are you saying either DaveH or I deliberately mislead?
You seem to be implying this in some of your posts,
and particularly this one.
Blaine, if it is ok with you and Perry, I would like to extend a little
latitude about the ad hominem rule to explore this idea a
Blaine, I was referring specifically to DavidH who claims that Christians
have tried to explain the Trinity to him for 3-4 yeears now, and that he
still does not understand it.
From: Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Blaine: Hmm, I understand what you are saying Perry, and I sense your
frustration. Maybe we have really been throwing you guys some curves, it
sounds like. LOLBut, we do not deliberately mislead, and that is my
point. We tell others whatever they really really want to know--but do not
tell
DavidM:
Perhaps you can explain your understanding of atonement more for us
because I don't understand how the atonement has any meaning if the blood
of Jesus was not like the rest of us, neither do I understand the meaning
of Christ's moral
uprightness if he did not share the same weak flesh as
Blaine,
Thanks for the well-tempered explanation. You see, I do believe in and
have faith in Christ, and I have prayed to be led to the truth, and I have
read Mormon works seeking to see if any of it is true, and all I get out of
it is that it is a false religion. I have found find lies,
ROTFLOL!
Ican see it now.
If the LDS were deliberately using words with double meanings would they when questioned about it, turn around and say:
"OK we fess up we are using SUBTERFUGE"
For Blaine, attacking false doctrine is comparable to a "personal attack"
In general, I have foundLDS to be
"if it is not digestible now"
"New truths are always hard to digest anyway"
Translation you can only digest milk, later you will get the meat.Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blaine: Hmm, I understand what you are saying Perry, and I sense yourfrustration. Maybe we have really been
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From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 1:31
PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] ad hominem
rule
Blaine wrote to Perry: Are
you saying either DaveH or I deliberately mislead? You seem
to be implying this in
MTSA (Mormon Truth Shading Alert)
You will not usurp god because he is only god of this world.
You will be come a god of some other world
You are trying to imply you will be god like but not a god (MTSA)
You will be subordinate because he started progressing before you.
Since you will eventually
Thank you Blaine for taking time to give us the run down. I've been
hearing you guys for awhile so there were no real surprises to me, but
it was nice to see it all laid out there like you did.
Just so you know, not all Protestants believe hell is literal fire, and
many Protestants also believe
Judy wrote:
There could not have been an atonement if Jesus
had the blood of Adam coursing through his veins
because then he would have been born in sin and
he would have had a sin nature like the rest of
us and this would have disqualified him because
the sacrifice had to be a male who
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Blaine, I was referring specifically to DavidH who
claims that Christians
have tried to explain the Trinity to him for 3-4 yeears now, and that
he
still does not understand it.
DAVEH: That's not quite correct, Perry. Most TTers have steered
clear of discussing the
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