who ever had sexual
relations
prior to their current marriage? And, as DM said, Torah forbids
reuniting with
an “unclean” spouse. It’s a difficult situation. iz
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who ever had sexual
relations
prior to their current marriage? And, as DM said, Torah forbids
reuniting with
an “unclean” spouse. It’s a difficult situation. iz
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9:2
. But now they claim that they have
repented and
are forgiven. What is your advice to them? izzy
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From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:08:55 -0600
Subject: Re:
This little daily blurb kinda goes along with the What would you do thread.
Terry
I N F I N I T E S U P P L Y
Sunday, November 06, 2005
by Chip Brogden
http://www.watchman.net/articles/hate.html
::
"If any man come to Me, and hate not
Good points, David. Some things I had not considered. Still, even
without this example, Jesus indicates in Matthew 5:32 that the Verages
are living in adultery. The solution obviously is not for her to return
to her real husband, but the solution, just as obviosly, to me, cannot
be to contin
slow down a bit to insure that this bias
does not get in the way. Dean's solution -- in the end - is the
same as mine. But his is a legal solution and mine is grace based.
Jd
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To: TruthTalk@mail.i
d hope I am not
going beyond Paul's teachings.If you are called married stay married. The
sin was in breaking the first covenant with the husband-once abandoned they
are free to marry only in the Lord.Confess that sin and go on with life.
[Original Message]
From: Terry
Dean Moore wrote:
The Wesleyan church I was preaching at
had sodomites in the congregation that had been there for years and had
become a part of the church-helping with the young and such. When I
preached against sodomy and the God loves everybody ( I also preached
I have run into the following situation at least twice. Some of you
probably have too. Here it is.
Sally was cheer leader in high school. If you were to choose a mate
strictly on physical appearance, she would be right up there among the
top five. Billy was the typical small town footbal
spouse instead of throwing rocks at
them.
Terry
Dean Moore wrote:
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Terry Clifton
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
11/3/2005 7:47:56 PM
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Torah & Jewish traditions
Leviticus 2
Out of the mouth of babes:
Jesse Jackson is visiting a primary
school and
he visits one of the classes.
They are in the middle of a
discussion related to
words and their meanings.
The teacher asks the Rev. Jackson if
he would
like
David Miller wrote:
Some jobs are so obnoxious that you would not ask your worst enemy to
do it. You just swallow hard and do it yourself. Better Paul than me.
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Also consider that he himself circumcised Timothy. Why not let
s
followers. I have trouble keeping those two.
Terry
Dean Moore wrote:
[Original Message]
From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Date: 11/3/2005 5:08:39 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Torah & Jewish traditions
It seems to me, David, that Paul observed some of the Jewish
It seems to me, David, that Paul observed some of the Jewish traditions
because he wanted to be all things to all people in order to win the
lost. Not because the law any longer required this.
I am a Gentile, adopted into the family, and was never under the law.
I have the freedom to worship
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Ever notice
that instead of using the word
“Sin” today, the politically correct term is “mistake”
or “wrong choices”? iz
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Subjec
certainly applies to
the "peaceful" among the Muslims.
Have you forgotten, the day the towers fell,
friends were there, going through a living hell.
John
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From: Terry Clifton <wabbits1234@earthlink.net>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent
You posted a story about three school girls beheaded by muslims. Now
the prince wants us to know that they are not really bad people.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What does this mean?
JD
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To: Tru
Get out you story about the girls being murdered and sent it to this
idiot, John
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/10/30/nchas30.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/10/30/ixportaltop.html
Telegraph News Prince Charles to plead Islam's cause to Bush.url
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If all things were meant to be revealed to anybody who asked,
then why are there any mysteries in the Bible?
Terry Clifton wrote:
Hate to butt in here folks, but if memory serves me correctly, the
Bible teaches us to always be ready to give an answer for what we
believe.
Hate to butt in here folks, but if memory serves me correctly, the
Bible teaches us to always be ready to give an answer for what we
believe.
Terry
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DAVEH: Nor has my implied answer been clear to you. I'
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I am confident David weathered the storm with no problem. His Hollywood
is not the same as the Hollywood down in Broward county. He is farther
up the state.
Sorry to hear of your mom's passing, Judy. Our prayers are with you for
a safe trip, among other things.
Keep in touch if you have t
Good thinking,Dean. You did what pleases the Lord.
Terry
Dean Moore wrote:
cd: When debating DaveH I have learned to notice the
little things and viewed the back stabbing remark as a way of
suggesting it was a part of my nature-but it is very possible that I
read into the remark s
This is all true, John, but we have to be careful not to think we are
doing these things to become more Christlike.. We will grow in faith
and in love because we are Christians, because Christ is in us. A
squirrel does not learn to climb a tree so he can be a squirrel. He
climbs a tree becau
Kevin Deegan wrote:
My car is white!
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Can you prove that?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You miss my point, once again. I am interested in your views on
the "how of the virgin birth - curiosity
has the best of me.
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Your curiosity will never be satisfied this side of H
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Begotten has nothing at all to do with the
birth of Jesus, folks. Good thing I stick around or some of
you would really get confused !!
Maybe you could answer this SUNDAY SCHOOL question, or is it too
advanced for you?
Now, we are
told in scriptures that Jesus
Dave wrote:
DAVEH: I just did respond, Izzythe TT traffic is more than I can
keep up with today!
If you go back and read the quotes Perry linked to, it was not even
Quakers that were quoted. As I remember, JS is reputed to have
said they were dressed like Quakers.
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Taylor wrote:
Why is this so difficult for you? A
girl can have a torn hymen and never have had sex, but she cannot be a
virgin if she has had sex: her hymen renders that impossible.
Methinks you place too much value on the evidence of a hymen. I knew
one girl in my yo
For all you folks who are looking for another course to complete your
education.
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Hymen has
nothing to do with it. She never had sexual intercourse until after
Jesus was born; hence His brothers and sisters. izzy
Au
Contraire! Sometimes I think you all just
want something to argue about. Do you think God chose a girl whose
hymen had been ri
Dean Moore wrote:
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From:
Terry Clifton
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
10/22/2005 1:37:56 PM
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter
cd: I can agree with turning the
Taylor wrote:
After the birth of Christ, Mary was still a virgin. Surely
we all believe this !!
I don't.
After his conception, Mary was still a virgin. After his birth, ...
well, think about it.
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From:
Terry Clifton
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
10/21/2005 4:52:29 PM
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter
Stop beating around the bush,Dean. Tell us
what you really think. Just be careful 'bout th
Old men are a menace to society. Someone should do something. It is
all the fault of George Bush.
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Just a
praise report to thank the Lord for
His protection over my son, Todd, and his wife, Shirley yesterday. I
tried to call Shirley on her cell phone yest
Wow! Big difference in the two versions. NKJV makes sense. The NIV
changes the whole meaning. In the NKJV, I see David concieved by
parents who were sinners. In the NIV, the infant is made to be the
sinner. No wonder some people do not trust the NIV. Thanks for making
that obvious.
=
Stop beating around the bush,Dean. Tell us what you really think.
Just be careful 'bout them ad homs.
Dean Moore wrote:
. cd: Daveh you big cry baby-Claiming I am a liar after all the back
stabbing comments-By your standards then- when have I ever back
stabbed-show me proof or ask for f
Taylor wrote:
What about those questions: did you
want to address them -- agreeably, of course?
Bill
Since you so obviously understand this stuff: What do you think
David meant when he said he was sinful at birth, sinful from the time
his mother conceived him? And what
f: What do you think David meant when he said he was sinful at
birth, sinful from the time his mother conceived him? And what was Paul
talking about when he said that death spread to all, because all have
sinned?
Bill
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From:
Terry Clifton
tle
babies who die still in the womb: damned -- no salvation
for them; can't meet the requirements.
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From:
Terry Clifton
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
Thursday, October 20, 2005 7:58 PM
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Bac
I saw that. As usual, we are on the same page.
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ShieldsFamily wrote:
Agreed,
Terry—I was just writing
about that before I got this message. J iz
This Bible believing fundie
believes that you never
could come to Christ wi
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Why on earth
does that surprise you,
Bill? I’m curious. Don’t all Bible believing “fundies”
believe that??? Iz
This Bible believing
fundie believes that you never could come to Christ without the urging
of the Holy Spirit. He always ma
As some of you already know, every year on my birthday, I take a three
mile walk through the woods on a friend's farm. It is a time to test
myself, to see if I have slowed down or lost a step over the last year,
but more than that, it is a time to be alone with the Lord, to measure
my spirit
Dave Hansen wrote:
DAVEH: Do you believe God made all me equal, Dean? Do you have
supporting Bible evidence?
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I am not certain as to just what you mean by equal, Dave.
Some are shorter or taller
o me -- and I am sure you
beleive this.
John
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From: Terry Clifton <wabbits1234@earthlink.net>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:23:13 -0500
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Back tot he garden
I do not understand much of what you are
saying, John, but I know this much..1. When Jesus forgave the woman
taken in adultery, She was told to sin no more. 2.In the fifth chapter
of John starting at verse twenty-eight, we learn that the good go to
Heaven and th
ller
wrote that bears scrutiny.
Terry Clifton wrote:
That
pretty much goes without saying, Dave. You have sincerely held beliefs
that are different from mine.
I thought the most interesting part of the article was when the
writer pointed out that church leaders are to have one wife, by
order of
with your wife see if she thinks calling her Satan's
brother is "pushing it" a bit : )
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 10/16/2005 10:00:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthT
you then believe nothing?
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From:
Terry Clifton
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
October 18, 2005 10:18
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Judging by Doctrine
Brother Lance. Can you not see that a wife who refuses to submit to
her husband
Brother Lance. Can you not see that a wife who refuses to submit to
her husband is living in sin just as surely as is a husband who will
not submit to Christ. That is God's word. It is either true, or God
is a liar. Human authors who do not understand that are not worth
reading. That's not
.
Terry Clifton wrote:
This fits in well with what we have been discussing. I would have
just sent the link but could not find one to send.
DAILY DEVOTIONAL MONDAY OCTOBER 17, 2005
(Genesis 1:27, 2:24, 4:19, Deuteronomy 17:17, 1 Kings 11:3, 1 Timothy
3:2,12)
Why did God bless men in the
This fits in well with what we have been discussing. I would have just
sent the link but could not find one to send.
DAILY DEVOTIONAL MONDAY OCTOBER 17, 2005
(Genesis 1:27, 2:24, 4:19, Deuteronomy 17:17, 1 Kings 11:3, 1 Timothy
3:2,12)
Why did God bless men in the Bible who had multiple
he Lord and ." probably
includes things that have to do with my salvation. He takes the wrong
I do, does not bring it into account, and [thus] works a good that
benefits me eternally.
Thanks for the words
Jd
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A big AMEN!
Terry
Dean Moore wrote:
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From:
Dave
Hansen
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
10/16/2005 11:11:43 AM
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter
DAVEH: How would I know, Lanc
Up to a point, I am in agreement with you, Dave. When John wrote of
Jesus, he recorded something very interesting that we find in chapter
five, about the middle of verse twenty-eight.."the hour is coming in
which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth --
those who have do
Very much so. Respect shown for one another in spite of differences in
belief. Good questions too. Things that need to be studied instead of
simply accepting tradition.
Terry
Lance Muir wrote:
A model dialogue. I don't believe us
to be any further along because of it but, the te
This little note is not to any one person. It is from me to all of
us...The message is this: I don't think that this is what Jesus meant
when He said,"Love your neighbor". I don't even think that this is what
Jesus meant when He said, "Love your enemy". We are not treating one
another ver
Just turned on the radio and heard the back half of a song called "Going
home, where I belong."
The station gave no title or credit, but as near as I can tell from
doing a search, it is by a man named Pat Terry.
Anyone familiar with this song or singer? If so, can you tell me how or
where t
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"poop" in the context of my post meant "stick in the mud."
JD
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Totally unacceptable explanation. Poop and mud have entirely different
characteristics. Mud is a mix
Lance Muir wrote:
David, along with a sneaky qualifier, just called John stupid. David,
IMO, is quite capable of speaking to others in a demeaning fashion.
(those of us with discernment take note of such).
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I have never met
Well expressed Dave. You may not be as weird as I once suspected. :)
Terry
Dave Hansen wrote:
DAVEH: Jesus Christ is my Savior and
Redeemer. Is that succinct testimony adequate, Dean?
cd: I had the opportunity to speak to a man the othe
Lance Muir wrote:
FWIW, I believe this to be true of
those currently posting on TT. I've only added ONE QUALIFIER having to
do with one's handling of the Scriptures. Not one participant has
proved themselves an exception to the occasional mishandling of the
text soo then
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ahm, Terry -- I can't respond -- laughing a little to hard at
the bibilcal reference.
Ok -- I'm fine, now.
So He can save a sinner but He can't listen to one???
Interesting.
JD
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The world could use another Asa.
And Asa did that which was good and right in the eyes of the LORD
his God:
For he took away the altars of the strange gods, and the high places,
and brake down the images, and cut down t
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[you smell whatever you wanna smell and
call it good--pure instinkt
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:22:17 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
..I smell
the pages of my Bible I smell history, I smell holiness, and I smell
the blood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here you got G and BillyT with their education and all,
wondering "why am I here," knowing that all they have to do to keep
up with you guys is write while AWAKE. !!! Gze.
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Dean Moore wrote:
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From:
Terry Clifton
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
10/13/2005 6:13:01 PM
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Unbelievers CANNOT Pray
"We know that God does not hear the praye
"We know that God does not hear the prayers of sinners" Gospel of
John, chapter something, verse something. (Too lazy to look it up.)
Terry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Andrew, what am I missing
here. Why would an unbeliever
pray to anything? It seems to me that one excludes the othe
Dean Moore wrote:
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From:
Lance
Muir
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
10/13/2005 7:52:20 AM
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Two (2) Major Omissions vis a vis the Bible
It needs to be said that, in
a
Judy Taylor wrote:
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 05:41:52 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
Lance says:
Transmission: Men wrote the Bible.
God says:
No prophecy (of scripture) ever
came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit
s
Dean Moore wrote:
The big problem with the Bible is that it
does not always say what you want it to say, therefore it is not
totally reliable. If you start trying to go strictly according to the
book, then you have no latitude to see Jesus as you would like Him to
Dean Moore wrote:
The big problem with the Bible is that it
does not always say what you want it to say, therefore it is not
totally reliable. If you start trying to go strictly according to the
book, then you have no latitude to see Jesus as you would like Him to
b
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At what point do you all consider
your grandchild to be something other than a family member -- during
his times of discipline? When he is disobedient but not caught,
yet? When he starts smoking or when he challenges going to church?
Obedience/disobedien
The big problem with the Bible is that it does not always say what you
want it to say, therefore it is not totally reliable. If you start
trying to go strictly according to the book, then you have no latitude
to see Jesus as you would like Him to be.
ShieldsFamily wrote:
C
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To:
Terry
Lance Muir wrote:
The TRIUNE GOD through the PERSON OF
JESUS, the Incarnate Israelite, the vicariously obedient eternal Son of
the Father through the power of the Spirit, WILL be uniformly
apprehended.
I would never minimize the authority and role of Scripture but
SCRIPTURE IS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank goodness we don't have to be right to be saved !!!
JD
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M aybe you do not have to be right to be saved, bu
I chopped all that I could from this missive but it is still a long read.
Lance will love it. Izzy will hate it. We should all pray about it.
Terry
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Why "hope" when you can "know." Last Monday, President Bush failed God in
the single most important act of his Presidency, and the one job God
Lance Muir wrote:
David Miller et all: You, David,
complimented JD, albeit backhandedly, for his acknowledgement of
'frailty'. I'd be pleased to grant the same compliment to you, et al,
for simply acknowledging the reality of this subject (see above).
Though purportedly educated and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you really think you are making a point by pretending that my
presentation is legalism? You cannot be that ignorant. It is legalism
by definition, that preaches compliance with the Law in order to
continue salvation. Get it? Obeying the law for
Jd
Pastor J David Smithson, BSeD,
MA and GPITB
Fairbanks Ave Fellowship
Sanger, California
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I understand the BS. What do those other letters mean? :)
ercome
in this life through the power of the
cross? However from what I read you give
yourself a complete by/pass in not
having to deal with sin and carnality in your
own life - because of what Christ did.
As to my (im)maturity, no argument.
From: &q
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David does not believe that sin is overcome by the power of the
cross. He believes that sin is overcome by obedience.
Jd
Without the cross, there would be no power to overcome.
Without obedience, it is impossible to overcome.
Terry
Lance Muir wrote:
Why return simply to confuse some younger believer rather than
permitting them to be taught by the Word and the Spirit..?
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This question might well be asked of you, friend Lance. You speak as a
child, know
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Do you know what a babe
in Christ is? He is
someone who is still very much in the flesh yet he is a
believer. If he remains a babe, he will die -- but that
is of his own doing. And, he is not dead yet. He is a
child in Christ. Paul wrote to
Both John. Read it again. If you produce no fruit, you are headed for
the fire. If you produce some fruit, you are empowered to produce more
fruit.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John 15:1,2 pretty much validates my poin
Lance Muir wrote:
The Son, via the Incarnation,
entered the human sewer then, through His vicarious life, death,
descent, resurrection, ascent and, ongoing mediatoral life (via the
Spirit), enables us to participate in His relationship with His Father.
There is no LIMITED INCARNATIO
I do not know if you have thought about it Andrew, but the abridged
gospel that you present here would make Satan one of the saved. The
devil believes... and trembles. He trembles
because that is not enough to make you acceptable to God. Satan will
never be save
Crabs???
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now we are talking "funny." I've been laughing for ten
minutes.
For someone with crabs, you're a funny guy at times.
Jd
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I do not know if you have thought about it Andrew, but the abridged
gospel that you present here would make Satan one of the saved. The
devil believes... and trembles. He trembles
because that is not enough to make you acceptable to God. Satan will
never be saved, in
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Note: forwarded message attached.
Donald Rumsfeld is giving the president his daily briefing.
He concludes by sayi
This is a very interesting thread, well worth reading...
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?p=30505#post30505
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ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org
Are you saying then, that the two pervert pastors in your area are
saved?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
like a hand in a glove.
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To: Tru
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We must overcome where A&E failed. He
wants us to work to that end. But to say "we must" is overstating our
involvement in the situation. Holiness, blamelessness and being above
reproach "happen" to us the instant we accept Christ. In Christ,
right no
Those two "pastors" need to leave the ministry. End of discussion.
"Present yourself a living sacrifice, Holy.".
Terry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A friend of mine has confided that he knows of two pastors locally who
are involved with each other. App
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Judy insists that the "faith" of Romans 4:4 is a faith that
works righteousness. So let's
put that thinking into the
passage and see what we have
-- " Abraham believed (performed works of righteousness as a
test of his believing) and it was
considere
t honor your words JD.
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 19:15:10 -0500 Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, maybe God has
put us together "for such a time as this." Right now the
relationship is something of a
Today's humor
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