DAVEH: Note to all TTers: It would sure help if you would either
address either of the Daves on TT with DM/DH or DavidM/DaveH, or some
other way that will make it easier for us to quickly recognize posts
meant for us. Thanx in advance.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
I meant to address the
I will consider this as agreement.
DAVEH: Yes.I don't think we are very far apart on this, Perry.
Just some minor details, in a sense. You are right though, it is the
larger picture of the resurrection that is most important.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
I meant to address the response
a Mormon slang word used by them to describe all who are not of "the
[Mormon] truth?""protestant" is another way of saying "unbeleiver" or
"pagan."
DAVEH: At first, I was not going to respond to this, Johnsince it
was a discussion that you are having with DavidM. However, I cannot in
good
you might find something interesting here
DAVEH: FWIW..Personally, I prefer Jeff Lindsay's
site.
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.jefflindsay.com/ldslinks.shtml
.over FAIR.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
I didn't have time to check all of the
"Protestants" are just one detestable group of pagans in the group
of "gentiles".
Doesn't it seem interesting that DaveH finds such intrique with a
pagan group like the "protestants".
DAVEH: What's with the pagan stuff, Perry. That sounds like
something you guys have called me, but
I know some to be followers of Christ , who know next to nothing
about Mormonism.
DAVEH: Care to say how you characterize me, Pastor? (If you would
rather not comment, that is OKI understand.)
if you disagree with that characterization, my comment about the
Mormon Church is further
DAVEH: Because it seems you may have missed it, Bishop
BTWWhy did you ignore my question about the dual nature of
salvation? Was that on purpose?.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you agree with Perry, then why the question?
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From: Dave
Encyclopedia Britannica classified the LDS as a protestant group,
but you did notagree with them
DAVEH: Correct, I remember the discussion.and, I do not agree
with the conclusion of the EB, but I don't worry about it one way or
the other. If they (EB) or you or anybody else wants to
DAVEH: Thanx for the explanation. I still don't quite understand
why/how you would think punitive torture equates (or perhaps equates to
justice) to love of the rest of society though.unless you are
figuring retribution into the equation.
David Miller wrote:
The love being
WITHOUT the INCARNATION there would have been NO GOSPEL! God the Eternal Son
came as A MAN so as to REDEEM HUMANKIND.
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From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 02, 2006 14:35
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and
Perry: Bob Passentino is a name with which I'm familiar. My own interest in
Mormonism commenced in 1980.
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From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 03, 2006 01:20
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets
I draw the line, Dave, where that which is said
does not describe the one being spoken to. 'Pompous ass' is pretty mild stuff.
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From:
Dave
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 02, 2006 17:52
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe
It's the 'left hand/right hand' thingy, DM. When I've heard from Judy
concerning her daughter's plight (recently) or from Iz, concerning a block
party (some time back), I see them as accounts of a different order. Believe
me, DM, your 'light' is there for all to see. When not seen, you usually
Sectarian, DM? Divisive, DM? You've commended Limbaugh and, 'your' incursion
into Iraq. What, pray tell, could be more sectarian or divisive than those?
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 02, 2006 14:28
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Currently DM, this would define neither ALL
protestants nor ALL RCatholics..
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From:
David Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 02, 2006 18:32
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and
prophets
John,do you understand the
A prophet who visited our store some weeks back
identified the 'spirit' of Mormonism as the 'spirit' of Freemasonry DM. Any
comments? As a prophet yourself, what do you make of his God-given
discernment?
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From:
David Miller
To:
'even if it was true', DM? Please
explain.
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David Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 02, 2006 18:33
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please
I think there was only one person who said it. Kevin, if I remember
- Original Message -
From: Debbie Sawczak
To: Lance Muir
Sent: January 02, 2006 17:54
Subject: what I said
Hi, Lance! I was at a Leadership Team meeting this
afternoon at the school. That is a joint meeting of the Board Executive, of
which I am part, and the Staff Council, over
Canadians who sit in lofty towers on high passing hot
air . like they have all the answers.
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:09:38 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes: Sectarian, DM? Divisive, DM? You've commended Limbaugh and,
'your' incursion into Iraq. What, pray tell,
could be
I would have said the same without the prophet moniker
and have believed this for a long time.
Bothhave the same rituals, handshakes etc. and
Freemasonry tries to blend into the professing church
in spite of the fact that it isanything but
Christian in nature... Today churches are full of
The aforementioned prophet who visited our store a
few weeks back also spoke of the 'spirit' of empire. Thereafter he spoke of the
halting of the American 'war machine'. Talk to the prophet, Judy.
See http://www.darryl.com/badges/
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From:
Judy
Taylor
An experiment for you, Judy. Ask your pastor to
publicly request any freemasons who are in church next Sunday to stand
up.
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 03, 2006 07:33
Is this your "prophet" Lance? Stinking
Badges? It's a website all about movies something a person
speaking for God, one who can separate the holy from
the profane would have nothing to do with.. True
God will judge the nations but the office of the
prophet in this sense is no longer valid.
For what purpose Lance? The former pastor of this
Church met with them individually and gave them an
ultimatum. They would have to choose the Church
or the Lodge; they didn't like it and a couple of rebellious
onesrefused to leave. I don't know where
this pastor stands on this issue. I do
'the office of the prophet in this sense is no
longer valid'? Do you, Judy, believe DavidM to be a 'prophet' in any
sense?
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 03, 2006 08:10
Dave, in your temple ceremony, who does it depict Satan paying to preach his
message?
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] apostles and prophets
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 01:21:18 -0800
* Protestants
We 'fill out' words, ceremonies, symbols and, traditions with MEANING. In
one sense only those who live/experience that reality fully understand that
particular MEANING. In quite another sense, as I discovered 25 years ago,
one can understand the MEANING invested in words, ceremonies, symbols
You appear to be well informed. My frustration with you and Blaine is the constant confusing of your personal beliefs and the official version.
jd.
-- Original message -- From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know some to be followers of Christ , who know next to
Your personal use of the word is noted and accepted. my in-laws are Mormon. I make nothing up.
jd
-- Original message -- From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] a Mormon slang word used by them to describe all who are not of "the [Mormon] truth?""protestant" is another way
Got lost in the shuffle. "Salvation"has more than one definition IMO. We are saved from judgment. We are saved from ourselves. Perhaps there are other considerations, We are not involved in the former. We are partners (ontologically speaking) in the latter.
jd
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You didn't answer my question Lance - Is Stinking
Badges your prophet?
As regards DavidM, the jury is out because I have no
way of knowing what he means by office; nor
do I have any frame of reference so far as testing any
prophetic word that has come through his ministry.
Actually the
To do so would necessitate moving out of this world
system Lance because
Freemasonry has roots everywhere. You can't go
into a small town in the South
without seeing a DAR obelisk and Civil War monuments
embellished with Masonic
symbols and the Lodge building is usually central
also. A
Though somewhat anomalous as to my
non-responsiveness, Judy, I shall answer your question. My answer is
NO!
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 03, 2006 13:00
Subject: Re:
cd: Perhaps the Christians on this site don't feel that much is being accomplished-If you haven't noticed the mockery for those who speak truth is getting intense as Satan wills. Only a foolish man drives away the cure for his illness.
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From: David Miller
To:
Are you PERMITTED to call DavidM a FOOLish man? Mr.
Moderator please intervene before Dean is out of control!
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From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 03, 2006 16:22
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Unsubscribe
please
Keep in mind, Dean, that DM's version of Linda's post is a cut and paste version. He leaves out the part that makes Linda a mockery of her own authorship.
jd
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cd: Perhaps the Christians on this site don't
What about this?
Matthew 15:22-26
"And behold a woman of Canaan came . . . but he answered and
said, I am not sent but to the lost
sheep of the House of Israel . . . It is not meet to take the children's
bread, and cast it to the dogs."
Do you not believe your Bible? Here He
actually
Blainerb: "Supposed to have?" Judging from the
"plethora" of records about the Tower of Babel, and what went on then, can you
even say "supposed" with any degree of assurance? :) I mean,
let's face it, what we have on the Tower of Babel, is vry scant,
indeed. The BoM gives a fairly
In a message dated 12/31/2005 5:10:55 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Funniest
thing I've read for a while. "Laughter does good like
medicine."JoanTHE PASTOR'S CATThis particular story
just made me laugh. Every time I think about it,the vision of that
poor
DAVEH: Thanx for the reply, John. I know how that happens.a lot
of stuff gets posted, and questions asked that tend to get overlooked.
Since you did not quite respond to the nature of my post, what you
said below doesn't quite answer my question. But that's OK. I
appreciate you for the
DAVEH: Thanx for your consideration, Bishop.
Do your in-laws really speak of Protestants in a condescending
way? If so, that surprises me and I would like to apologize for them
doing so, as an LDS person myself. I think it reflects poorly on my
religion of choice when I hear such. I just
You're welcome. Perhaps you can share your view or explain the question.
jd
-- Original message -- From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH: Thanx for the reply, John. I know how that happens.a lot of stuff gets posted, and questions asked that tend to get
official version
DAVEH: I find that comment to be very interesting. You see, I think
many of the TTers have exactly the same problem with LDS theology.
They seem to want to take any given member's comment and consider it to
be an official statement. That simply is not the case.
Regardless
DAVEH: Here I thought we might get to be friends, and then you
suggest the LDS Church may have some obnoxious people in it. Shucks,
Pastor.you're the first guy to say something that might make me
want to leave Mormonism! :-D
BTWThanx for using DM / DH in your posts today. Makes my
No doubt about it, those ancient groups were doing bad stuff, fertility
cultism included. But what I am saying is documenting something from
ancient times is always hard, and I seriously doubt tracing Freemasonry back to
those times could be done with so much confidence in the findingsas to
Blaine, do you consider protestants to be pagans?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism Freemasonry
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:06:52 EST
No doubt about it, those ancient groups were doing bad stuff,
Perhaps you can share your view or explain the question
DAVEH: I think I did, but you may have missed it. At the risk of
irritating Perriwinkle again, let me elaborate about what I wrote
below. One of the big problems some (darest I say, Protestants)
Christians have with LDS theology is their
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