Judy, comments like this one are better made off the list. They
really are kind of insulting and do not add to the discussion at hand. I
realize that Lance provoked you here, but somebody has to cut it off and I think
you are mature enough to ignore comments like this one or discuss it off
Title: The radical consequences of justification, by T.F. Torrance
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Title: The radical consequences of justification, by T.F. Torrance
I apologize David.
Lance
- Original Message -
From:
David Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 17, 2006 13:36
Subject: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator Comment
**
Please do
I do not know why I even Bother MANY POSTS agao KD said At this point I am pretty tired of the game have no desire to chase my tail to argue a straw man errected by JD JD continues his attack for days and you are concerned with my adhom style? You just do not get it. I will not explain
Kevin, your response here is nothing but an ad hominem remark. It is an
emotional comment, not a logical one. It does not add to the discussion.
If you need help understanding an ad hominem argument, please consult the
following article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Please try and
11:53:04 PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] ***Moderator Comment
At the current situation on TT one will lose their closeness with God
What then would you do in a REAL CRISIS?
Jer 12If thou hast run with the footmen, and they have wearied thee, then how canst thou contend
Dave H. and Gary O.will no longer be posting to this list-or until some issues are settled. I have given them many opportunity to stop the attacks or apologize to those they falsely accused. They have chosen not to do so.
Rev.2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to
Thanks for the good job; a welcome
breather for a while. iz
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Moore
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 3:28
PM
To: TruthTalk
Subject: [TruthTalk]
***Moderator Comment
Dave H. and Gary
- Original Message -
From: ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/12/2006 5:53:52 PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] ***Moderator Comment
Thanks for the good job; a welcome breather for a while. iz
cd: Thanks sis.-Don't know how long
thee], then how wilt thou do in the swelling of Jordan? Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/12/2006 5:53:52 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] ***Moderator Comment
Dean:Did either of us cross any boundary lines in
our engagement?
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 03, 2006 18:42
Subject: [TruthTalk] *
Moderator Comment**
Kevin/Lance Good debate
] * Moderator Comment**
Dean:Did either of us cross any boundary lines in our engagement?
- Original Message -
From: Dean Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 03, 2006 18:42
Subject: [TruthTalk] * Moderator Comment**
Kevin/Lance Good debate
IFO do, Dean.
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 04, 2006 06:17
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *
Moderator Comment**
Moderator-Yes, you did John:
Simply read the 'subject' along
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 5:34:30 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] * Moderator Comment**Dean:Did either of us cross any boundary lines in our engagement? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March
Kevin/Lance Good debate but remember to stay within boundaries of Ad. Hom attacks-which I will set clearly after David M posting of my conduct.I also will addressee the "reply to moderator postings in private" at that time. You have the floor David-Think you can hold onto it?
-
Gary, This is getting into the area of a personal attack on Christine (ie.teeny bopper world)-try respect -it works.
- Original Message -
From: Christine Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/26/2006 11:42:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is it wrong to insult a religion?
||
you're welcome:)
- Original Message -
From:
Christine
Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/26/2006 11:42:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is it wrong to
insult a religion?
In my teeny-bopper world, we speak in
**Moderator
Comment
David you are bringing private moderator discussions on this public TT
site-I realize you are attempting to control lies and your reputation for
the good of this site-but you are violating the same rule
To all TT's-John will no longer be on this list-I gave him a fair opportunity to apologize for his behavior and he elected not to. As Moderator it is my duty to see that others are treated with some degree of respect. I am not responsible for events of Ad.Hom style attacks in the past but while
Gary/John lets leave off on the discussion of female breasts-and at least make an effort to appear Christian inyour conversations.Thanks.
- Original Message -
From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/18/2006 1:12:18 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
John/David work this out in private. Thanks-Carroll Moore, Moderator
- Original Message -
From: David Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/18/2006 8:34:36 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding
Wrong picture, John. Take insulting and malicious comments
Judy/TT's if the word "Moderator" is in the subject line it is to bereplied too in private and not public-I am doing this because I want to separate disciplinary action from the normal debating that has of late always broken down into fighting and name calling. If I fail to do thisthen debating
Please forgive me Dean/TT's - I hear you and will be sure to remember in
future. judyt
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:41:24 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Judy/TT's if the word "Moderator" is in the subject line it
is to bereplied too in private and not public-I am doing this
It came from a disagreement and since you are so
"orthodox" then I had to be
the heretic - Isn't this correct Bill? And then
you balk when I associate you with
the Church Fathers who came up with the concept of
"orthodox" to begin with.
At the beginning it was the"faith" that was
once
You TT'rs are posting at a much faster rate than I can follow with my
limited time during the week to moderate. So, please help me out...if you
see what you believe is an ad hominem, even if it does not involve you, feel
free to forward the email to me privately. I will follow up as I best I
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:17 PM
Subject: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator Comment **
You TT'rs are posting at a much faster rate than I can follow with my
limited time during the week to moderate. So, please help me out...if you
see what you believe is an ad hominem, even if it does
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
... cult-apostles like DavidM...
Gary, your calling DM a cult-apostle is a direct attack on him. He does
not claim to be an apostle, and adding cult to that erroneous label makes
it an ad-hominem reference. I encourage you to retract that ad-hominem
reference and
no one here claims
to be a swine--does he feel like onea them, too? doubtful, but, ifso, you
can tell himwe're feelg his pain chalk it up to limbaugh love,
Bro!
On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:12:09 -0800 "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:||
Hedoesnot claim to be an apostle..an
In a message dated 12/17/2005 11:21:23 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, Dean, we are in full agreement on this one.
jd
--
Original message -- From: "Dean Moore"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kevin, Blain-while I
Thanks for the courtesy of a responseCharles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, Blaine this is a banned thread...please move on.From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **
Can you print the entire context, please?
Blainerb
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:00 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Izzy's sex lifeHi Izzy, I was looking through some of my old e-mails
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
12/16/2005 10:53:49 PM
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **
Can you print the entire
context, please?
Blainerb
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December
ority-Here Perry is that authority.
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/16/2005 10:53:49 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **
Can you print the entire context, please?
Blainerb
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROT
Oh, yeah, now I remember writing that. I should have just said I was
holding my breath, huh? :)
Blainerb
In a message dated 12/16/2005 8:54:01 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Can you print the entire context, please?
Blainerb
From: [EMAIL
Blaine, why do you cintinue to comment on a thread that has been banned? No
more posts on this topic, please.
Perry
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:12:50
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator
comment **
fact DAVEH:
??? To what fact are you referring, Kevin? I
remember Dean accidentally publicly posting an email about John (as I
remember) that he apparently thought he sent to you under the table, but
Blaine and I
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/14/2005 2:03:00 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment ** fact DAVEH: ??? To what fact are you referring, Kevin? I remember Dean accidentally publicly posting an email about John (as I remember) that he apparently thought he sent to you under the table, but Bl
In a message dated 12/16/2005 2:03:37 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sinceyou have been asked to stop stirring the pot
And some subjects have been identified as OFF LIMITS
I have declined to comment
But since you guys can not leave it alone
I was refering
- Original Message -
From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/16/2005 5:24:09 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **
In a message dated 12/16/2005 2:03:37 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sinceyou have been asked to stop stirring
Can you print the entire context, please? Blainerb From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:00 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Izzy's sex lifeHi Izzy, I was looking through some of my old e-mails and came upon one with the above subject
Kevin, Blaine this is a banned thread...please move on.
From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:53:48 -0800 (PST)
Can you print the entire context
Dave, lets take this offline, okay?
DAVEH: Why take it offline, Perry? When you and Kevin chide Mormons
for not wanting to discuss Temple things online, you seem to recognize
no level of respect for my sacred beliefs. Now you make what I have
considered to be your sexually charged
: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **
fact DAVEH: ??? To what fact are you referring, Kevin? I remember Dean accidentally publicly posting an email about John (as I remember) that he apparently thought he sent to you under the table, but Blaine and I haven't done such. While I've copied many of the pertinent
Dave,
Please try to refrain from making sexual references, especially false
accuastions. This is not the forum for that? I am sure there are many
discussion forums about sex if that type of discussion interests you.
Perry
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To:
Please try to refrain from making sexual references,
especially false accuastions.
DAVEH: Let's see if I understand this, Perry. Recently I asked some
questions that were no more sexually oriented than what you commonly
make, Dean then claimed foul..and you banned further discussion
Dave, lets take this offline, okay?
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:29:32 -0800
* Please try to /refrain /from making sexual references
Dean has not made any Sexually suggestive comments as you have claimed in fact it is the LDS folk who have made comments and done some things thru private emails "under the table" Again LDS response is as IRRELEVANT as yeah but the Flag has stars Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please try
Kevin, we banned this topic, so if you want to discuss it further, do so
offline, okay?
From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:47:32 -0800 (PST)
Dean
fact
DAVEH: ??? To what fact are you referring, Kevin?
I remember Dean accidentally publicly posting an email about John (as I
remember) that he apparently thought he sent to you under the table,
but Blaine and I haven't done such. While I've copied many of the
pertinent posts to Blaine
Your allusion escapes me, but your illusion does not. Calling Judy, or
anyone on this forum a muslim is an ad-hom reference, Lance. Terry's was
too, but Calvin is not on this forum.
Perry the Moderator
From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To:
09:57
Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment**
Your allusion escapes me, but your illusion does not. Calling Judy, or
anyone on this forum a muslim is an ad-hom reference, Lance. Terry's was
too, but Calvin is not on this forum.
Perry the Moderator
From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply
-intellectual
word games. It would also save the moderator some time.
Perry
From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment**
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:14:38 -0500
I DID NOT CALL JUDY A MUSLIM. I
I might learn to WRITE for clarity. You, Perry, might learn to READ for
meaning.
- Original Message -
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 02, 2005 14:53
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment**
Then why did you not say
upon the ox being gored.From: "Charles Perry Locke" To: Sent: December 02, 2005 09:57Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator
Comment** Your allusion escapes me, but your illusion does not. Calling Judy, or anyone on this forum a muslim is an ad-hom reference, Lance. Terry's was too,
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 02, 2005 09:57
Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment**
Your allusion escapes me, but your illusion
does not. Calling Judy, or anyone on this forum a muslim is an
ad-hom reference, Lance. Terry's was too, but Calvin is not on
for this limited amount of time. Carroll Dean Moore
[Original Message]
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Date: 11/27/2005 6:27:00 PM
Subject: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator Comment **
From this point forward all posts relative to the ongoing discussion
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:27:00 -0800 "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From this point forward all posts relative to the ongoing discussion
between Dave and Izzy are to be taken off-line. This includes
threads that were spawned from that discussion.
||
pls consider
includg
Lance,
While I am sure Dave is joking, there are some who do not take kindly to
that type of joking. Dean is right in what Dave jokingly has proposed, but
there are some things that should not be joked about, and Dean is right to
take offense...Dave has gone over the line, Dean has been
or false? izzy
Jd-Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:49:49 -0800Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?
Lance, While I am sure Dave is joking, there are some who do
on
then, too. True or false?
izzy
Jd-Original Message-From: Charles Perry
Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent:
Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:49:49 -0800Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment**
Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles
@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Izzy's Sexual
Experiences-Charles?
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:16:26 -0500
Perry -- was it not Linda Shields who asked about the sexual practices of
the Mormons? I think this was in reference to the Mormon
: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Izzy's Sexual
Experiences-Charles?
John,
Yes, and Izzy apologized for that. Has Dave? Dave could have answered a
simple yes or no, but he chose to take it to the gutter by perpetuating the
question, even to the point suggesting that I might know something
By the way, hats off to Linda for her gracious apology.
John
Absolutely !!
JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:00:48 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment** I need help watching.
Surely you are jesting, JD. iz
But I am disappointed that you put
Surely you are jesting, JD. iz
But I am disappointed that you put your family and wife
ahead of those of us who accept your leadership and advice. I will
deal wth it, somehow.but it complicates things a bit.
JD
Normally, I try to read every TT post, but when TT'rs post as furiously as
you have been for the last day or so, my real job (the one for which I get
paid) and other obligations like parenting, husbanding, get in the way of my
moderating. So, to help me out, if you recognize an ad-hominem (even
and advice. I will deal wth it, somehow.but it complicates things a bit.
JD-Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:19:24 -0700Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment** I need help watching.
Normally, I try to read
TT members,
At times I have psoted negative ad-hominem comments just like others on
the list have from time to time. Speaking for myself on this, anytime I have
posted such negative comments, whether slyly, or blatantly, I have ALWAYS
known exactly in what spirit I have posted these
c'mon Marlin, y'all can be a little more forthcoming than that.
- Original Message -
From: Marlin halverson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 21, 2005 22:54
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK
Try majesty twelve
http://seekers
http://www.911wasalie.com/phpwebsite/
- Original Message -
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:38 AM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK
IFF one believes there was any such conspiracy re: 9/11, one
So then, Marlin.where do you 'shake out' on this?
- Original Message -
From: Marlin halverson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 21, 2005 07:55
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK
http://www.911wasalie.com/phpwebsite/
- Original Message
Try majesty twelve
http://seekers.100megs6.com/FYI-2.htm
- Original Message -
From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK
So then, Marlin.where do you 'shake out
a
look at the 'new' extended edition of Oliver Stone's JFK (2001?).I'm in,
John.
- Original Message -
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 19, 2005 20:48
Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK
John, unless you have discovered
: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK
Belief/trust...trust/belief...These are so interlocked. The other night I
listened to a panel discussion on 911 (WTC). IFF one is able to demonstrate
'conspiracy' (complicity) on the part of government operatives or agencies
then, by extension JFK has
TT members,
Over the last 9 months or so, maybe more, TruthTalk has gotten to be an
uglier and uglier place to hang out and talk about truth. This is primarily
due to the negative tones, insults, accusations, and general bad behavior
that has grown until I find it unbearabable, as do others
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
TT members,
Over the last 9 months or so, maybe more, TruthTalk has gotten to be
an uglier and uglier place to hang out and talk about truth. This is
primarily due to the negative tones, insults, accusations, and general
bad behavior that has grown until I find
: [TruthTalk] ** moderator comment **
TT members,
Over the last 9 months or so, maybe more, TruthTalk has gotten to be an
uglier and uglier place to hang out and talk about truth. This is primarily
due to the negative tones, insults, accusations, and general bad behavior
that has grown until I
Ditto for JD-Original Message-From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:50:26 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** moderator comment **
Charles Perry Locke wrote: TT members, Over the last 9 months or so, maybe more, TruthTalk has gotten
John, unless you have discovered a videotaped confession to show us, I
personally am not that interested.
However, the TT Discussions page states: If you have an interest in
the Bible, religion, philosophy, or science, we encourage you to join the
list and engage in the discussions. Does
700Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK
John, unless you have discovered a videotaped confession to show us, I personally am not that interested. However, the TT "Discussions" page states: " If you have an interest in the Bible, religion, philosophy, or science, we encou
like...we'll
let the TT popluation decide if it flies.
Perry
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:07:53 -0400
We have spent weeks on this forum discussing
Thanks. Perhaps in a few days.
JD-Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:48:36 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK
John, Most of the topics I felt had a moral basis to them that stems
9 Jun 2005 17:48:46 -0700Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator
comment**: JFK
John, unless you have
discovered a videotaped confession to show us, I personally am not that
interested. However, the TT "Discussions" page states: " If you have an interest in the
Bible, religion, p
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] tough being a Christian
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 07:12:48 -0500
Judy wrote to Terry:
I think you should search your own heart and
be honest with yourself; what is it I have
touched that is dear to you and that makes
you so
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