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Judy, comments like this one are better made off the list. They really are kind of insulting and do not add to the discussion at hand. I realize that Lance provoked you here, but somebody has to cut it off and I think you are mature enough to ignore comments like this one or discuss it off the list. David Miller TruthTalk Moderator p.s. Do not reply to this post on the list, please. Off list e-mail on this topic is welcome. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Physics, Astronomy and Genesis chapters 1-11 Lance why don't you get your own list together and organize it from your perch up there in the frozen North. David, Perry, Dean et al are doing their best under trying conditions. Do you really think they need an "expert opinion" hovering over their shoulders constantly? A little sensitiity please . On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:48:25 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David:Please be even-handed with your reprimands. Would you not concur that Judy's question below is rhetorical in nature? Is she not actually saying 'John, you are calling God a liar'? IMO such micromanaging of the list says more about you than either of them. Remember the good old days when Gary and Slade moderated? From: Judy Taylor On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:48:37 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: More than one observation: There are plenty of reasons for believing that "day" in the creation account does not mean a 24 hour period. 1. First , the Hebrew word itself is not limited in definition to this meaning. So? Genesis 1:5 says "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day" 2. Secondly, Adam and Eve did not die in the "day" they transgressed unless, of course, you believe that "day"ismore than a24 hour period of time. Of course they did. Are you calling God a liar? In the day they ate they also died. Just because it was not a physical death does not mean that it did not happen. God is a Spirit; AE were are created in His Image. Fallen minds always want to remake God into their own images. 3. Further, in Gen 2:4 "day" is a summary of all that was created.. not a 24 hour period. Wrong. Day is singular and refers to thefirst day of that week when God created the earth and the heavens, as just stated in Gen 2:4a 4. Thirdly, very little in the creation account was completed on the "day" it was begun. So? Were you there JD? Do you know better than God who in Genesis speaks through his prophet Moses? The events of Day One are extended into Day Four. Day Two is extended into Day Three (re the waters of firmament), if rain or heavy mist does not occur until or at the time of Adam's creation (which 2:4-7 might suggest), then Day Three extends into Day Six and we are not concerned about plant life before the creation of thesun because it did not begin to grow until the sixth day.Thus, there is biblical argument for believing that creation was a series of events that played out over a period of time andextended into other creation events. So just scrap the Genesis account? Is this what you are saying JD? Or are you saying that Genesis is flawed and that pagan scientists know more in their unbelief? Is Naturalism where it's at - does God now give mankind understanding through naturalism? If "day" is a 24 hour period, how long does it really take for God to say "Let there be light." That expressed time (elapsed time in creation) is anything other than a metaphorical _expression_ is unlikely andfor all the reasons stated. This is not McDonalds fast food culture JD; when you create some worlds yourself then you will know how long it takes. In the meantime we have a written record from the One who did create the worlds and it would behoove us to humble ourselves under His mighty hand and quiet our racing carnal minds. Bishop J -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I say that I'm not a strict creationist, I'm refering to the idea that the universe, the earth, and everything living on
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Title: The radical consequences of justification, by T.F. Torrance Please do not forward entire web pages to the list. If you desire to shareinformation from web pages, especially those thatcontain graphics, menus, _javascript_, etc., please send a link to the web page rather than copying the entire page. There are numerous technical reasons for this policy that I can explain in private for those interested. There arealsolegal copyright reasons and web etiquette reasons why sharing links rather than copying web pages is the preferred method of sharing published web pages. Thank you for your consideration to this matter. David Miller TruthTalk Moderator
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Title: The radical consequences of justification, by T.F. Torrance I apologize David. Lance - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 17, 2006 13:36 Subject: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator Comment ** Please do not forward entire web pages to the list. If you desire to shareinformation from web pages, especially those thatcontain graphics, menus, _javascript_, etc., please send a link to the web page rather than copying the entire page. There are numerous technical reasons for this policy that I can explain in private for those interested. There arealsolegal copyright reasons and web etiquette reasons why sharing links rather than copying web pages is the preferred method of sharing published web pages. Thank you for your consideration to this matter. David Miller TruthTalk Moderator
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I do not know why I even Bother MANY POSTS agao KD said At this point I am pretty tired of the game have no desire to chase my tail to argue a straw man errected by JD JD continues his attack for days and you are concerned with my adhom style? You just do not get it. I will not explain it again as I feel you are too dense. Is that ADHOM?David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, this thread has gotten way too personal.Here's how I see this. JDthinks that 1 Cor. 3:1 is a passage of Scripture that Kevin does not include in his framework of theology and Christian practice. Kevin has been asked many times to explain it and yet he refuses to do so. This has led JD to conclude that Kevin does not believe 1 Cor. 3:1. Kevin does not like to be judged by JD concerning what he does or does not believe, so he retorts with ad hominem style remark like he does below. The remark does not contribute to our understanding of Kevin's perspective concerning1 Cor. 3:1.So... guys... please, either drop the thread completely, or get to some substance. The substance would be along the following lines:How do we deal with the subject of carnal Christians? Is there such a thing? Holy Hubert use to preach that there was no such thing as a carnal Christian. Does anyone on the list believe like that? Kevin, you in particular are being asked by JD to tell him how you perceive 1 Cor. 3:1 and the subject of carnal Christians. Do we talk down to them, shoot them, tell them to get out of the church, have lunch with them, ridicule them, what?I personally feel that JD misunderstands 1 Cor. 3:1 and following, but I will deal with that separately if I can find the time. For now, please guys, recognize the personal nature this thread has taken and either stop it or get to some substance through hearing and responding to one another. Right now, you guys are at a stalemate and it is like a bunch of cowboys standing around at the OK corral. The only solution seems to be to draw a gun and shoot. That won't be profitable for anyone.David Miller TruthTalk Moderator - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 12:19 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: [TruthTalk] Comfort the FORNICATORS!JD says "Just remember this -- you do not believe" Thanks for reminding me whatI believe! Next time I need to know what I believe on a particular subjectI will check with you FIRST![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Obviously, this is offered as a criticism. No solutions -- just criticism. Just remember this -- you do not believe in passages such as I cor 3:1 and the reality they present. That is what we know from this thread.jd-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD says we all know of your theologyon the matters cited You're all set then: It should be a piece of cake for you or that matter any other to summarize my beliefs on the matter, as you sayYOU ALL KNOW SINCE YOU ALL KNOW, I NEED NOT WASTE ANY MORE TIME ON THIS!If thare are any other issues you have concern for, just check with yourself since youALREADY KNOWThanks : )[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like a bear with his foot in a trap !! It is so easy to set the record straight. You are all over people or activiity such as the one shared by Lance and his friend, Joanna Williams, and yet, you now seem to want others to believe that I have misrepresented you. Not my intention at all. What would you do differently than Paul and why? Or, would you rather moan for a while? Get back to me on that , will you? Have I not quoted enough of your position on this? Give the word -- there is more. dj-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I see you as standing outside the door of the church rebuking Wake UP! It's just a NIGHMARE! Or a personal problem...[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your theology is herein included, Kevin. Now -- Back to I Cor 3:1ff. It appears (based on what is written) that we have a church full of carnal and immature people. It is my beleif that if this were a circumstance in which Joanna Williams could help -- she just might be doing her best to mentor these folk toward freedom in Christ and maturity in the Spirit. And that is exactly what Paul is trying to do with the writing of this Corinthian letter. I see you as standing outside the door of the church, rebuking them to the hell they so richly deserve (don't we all) and doing precious little to actually help these brethren. They are alive in Christ, yet carnal -- a circumstance that could work harm in their lives. This is a church with problems (more than likely a Missionary Baptist church.) Again, these disciples are alive in Christ, Christians if you will, but carnal yet in their walk with God. Actually, Paul deals with this weak fellowship of saints for several years, does he not -- perhaps
[TruthTalk] ** Moderator Comment **
Kevin, your response here is nothing but an ad hominem remark. It is an emotional comment, not a logical one. It does not add to the discussion. If you need help understanding an ad hominem argument, please consult the following article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem Please try and refrain from such sort of comments in the future as they only provoke emotional responses. Try to read the argument being made and if you choose to respond, couch a logical argument for your point. The question to you Kevin is this: as a fundamentalist, what do you do with Christians who are heading to hell because of their sin? Is there any room in your theology for the Christian who sins seven times seventy, the same sin, over and over again. How does your theology address the person who professes Christ but is not experiencing the kingdom of God? Does your theology say to kick them out, welcome them into the church as a spiritual hospital, don't even eat with them, rebuke them in the harshest terms and don't talk to them until you are convinced they no longer sin, or ... what? What is your theology in relation to the carnal and unspiritual who professes to follow Christ but falls short? David Miller TruthTalk Moderator - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Comfort the FORNICATORS! Apparently you can not control yourself : ( --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will not ask this question again. Apparently the rightwing cannot receive the question for some reason (fear expressed in self - assertion ??) but the question is this: assuming they are going to hell in due time (a discussion point for another time), what do we do with these folks IN THE MEAN TIME? Do we continue to patiently deal with the them, receive them as brethren, teach, pray and work with them as did Paul with the carnal Christians in Corinth (HH's opinion aside) or take some of his words of exclusion and impose them onto all and refuse to help any who cry for help? ...and why. I have concluded that radical fundalmentalism cannot answer this question without sacrifice to aspects of its theology and , so , some refuse to answer the question. jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:35:58 -0500 David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How do we deal with the subject of carnal Christians? Is there such a thing? Holy Hubert use to preach that there was no such thing as a carnal Christian. Does anyone on the list believe like that? Kevin, you in particular are being asked by JD to tell him how you perceive 1 Cor. 3:1 and the subject of carnal Christians. Do we talk down to them, shoot them, tell them to get out of the church, have lunch with them, ridicule them, what? Praise the Lord for Holy Hubert - I knew there was something I had to be missing. I agree with him on this issue that's for sure... It is a doctrine cobbled together by men to help the weak stay weak and I speak from experience I heard it myself early on and clung to it for a while until I heard someone preach the truth and expose that darkness. This is how things get so confused - Paul told that bunch in Corinth they were still carnal - he did not give them assurance that they would be able to stand at the end if they did not move on. God isnot going to take a bunch of devils to heaven with him. Those who walk after the Spirit are the ones who make it. judyt From: Kevin Deegan JD says Just remember this -- you do not believe Thanks for reminding me what I believe! Next time I need to know what I believe on a particular subject I will check with you FIRST! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously, this is offered as a criticism. No solutions -- just criticism. Just remember this -- you do not believe in passages such as I cor 3:1 and the reality they present. That is what we know from this thread. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] JD says we all know of your theology on the matters cited You're all set then: It should be a piece of cake for you or that matter any other to summarize my beliefs on the matter, as you say YOU ALL KNOW SINCE YOU ALL KNOW, I NEED NOT WASTE ANY MORE TIME ON THIS! If thare are any other issues you have concern for, just check with yourself since you ALREADY KNOW Thanks : ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like a bear with his foot in a trap !! It is so easy to set the record straight. You are all over people or activiity such as the one shared by Lance and his friend, Joanna Williams, and yet, you now seem to want others to believe that I have misrepresented you. Not my intention at all. What would you do differently than Paul and why? Or, would you rather
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cd: It it a real crises to me Kevin-While St. Preaching I can go home and relax get my mind off the garbage-As Moderator-I am at home and must read every post-no break. I do see your point though.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/12/2006 11:53:04 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] ***Moderator Comment At the current situation on TT one will lose their closeness with God What then would you do in a REAL CRISIS? Jer 12If thou hast run with the footmen, and they have wearied thee, then how canst thou contend with horses? and [if] in the land of peace, [wherein] thou trustedst, [they wearied thee], then how wilt thou do in the swelling of Jordan? Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/12/2006 5:53:52 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] ***Moderator Comment Thanks for the good job; a welcome breather for a while. iz cd: Thanks sis.-Don't know how long it will last butI will do the bestI can. I am sorry that I asked you,Kevin, Judy to come back to this site-I was a mistake.At the current situation on TT one will lose their closeness with God-as Perry has stated. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean MooreSent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 3:28 PMTo: TruthTalkSubject: [TruthTalk] ***Moderator Comment Dave H. and Gary O.will no longer be posting to this list-or until some issues are settled. I have given them many opportunity to stop the attacks or apologize to those they falsely accused. They have chosen not to do so. Rev.2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Dave H. and Gary O.will no longer be posting to this list-or until some issues are settled. I have given them many opportunity to stop the attacks or apologize to those they falsely accused. They have chosen not to do so. Rev.2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations
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Thanks for the good job; a welcome breather for a while. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Moore Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 3:28 PM To: TruthTalk Subject: [TruthTalk] ***Moderator Comment Dave H. and Gary O.will no longer be posting to this list-or until some issues are settled. I have given them many opportunity to stop the attacks or apologize to those they falsely accused. They have chosen not to do so. Rev.2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations
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- Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/12/2006 5:53:52 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] ***Moderator Comment Thanks for the good job; a welcome breather for a while. iz cd: Thanks sis.-Don't know how long it will last butI will do the bestI can. I am sorry that I asked you,Kevin, Judy to come back to this site-I was a mistake.At the current situation on TT one will lose their closeness with God-as Perry has stated. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean MooreSent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 3:28 PMTo: TruthTalkSubject: [TruthTalk] ***Moderator Comment Dave H. and Gary O.will no longer be posting to this list-or until some issues are settled. I have given them many opportunity to stop the attacks or apologize to those they falsely accused. They have chosen not to do so. Rev.2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations
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At the current situation on TT one will lose their closeness with GodWhat then would you do in a REAL CRISIS? Jer 12If thou hast run with the footmen, and they have wearied thee, then how canst thou contend with horses? and [if] in the land of peace, [wherein] thou trustedst, [they wearied thee], then how wilt thou do in the swelling of Jordan? Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/12/2006 5:53:52 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] ***Moderator Comment Thanks for the good job; a welcome breather for a while. iz cd: Thanks sis.-Don't know how long it will last butI will do the bestI can. I am sorry that I asked you,Kevin, Judy to come back to this site-I was a mistake.At the current situation on TT one will lose their closeness with God-as Perry has stated.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean MooreSent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 3:28 PMTo: TruthTalkSubject: [TruthTalk] ***Moderator Comment Dave H. and Gary O.will no longer be posting to this list-or until some issues are settled. I have given them many opportunity to stop the attacks or apologize to those they falsely accused. They have chosen not to do so.Rev.2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Dean:Did either of us cross any boundary lines in
our engagement?
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 03, 2006 18:42
Subject: [TruthTalk] *
Moderator Comment**
Kevin/Lance Good debate but remember to stay within
boundaries of Ad. Hom attacks-which I will set clearly after David M posting
of my conduct.I also will addressee the "reply to moderator postings in
private" at that time. You have the floor David-Think you can hold onto
it?
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/3/2006 7:58:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit'
of truthtalk?
"Ye compass land and sea" I
couldn't have chosen a subject that is more apropo. In a wierd kind of way I
suppose, I should thank TT for continued examples...
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 03, 2006 07:35
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit'
of truthtalk?
I send you link after link on RC's being tried by the International
court, you tell me what someone told you.
Facts VS Hearsay
You choose the latter, is it to protect your RC
friends?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
If this sampling of repartee is as good as
it gets.(oh yah! my ideology can beat up your ideology! ) then,
perspectivalism thy name is Truth(?)talk!
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 03, 2006 07:17
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
FACT- HearsayLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
In FACT I have my FACTS straight. My
source for my FACTS was in Rwanda. FACT: I've known this person for
15 years. FACT:He is a (non RCC) Christian.
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 03, 2006
06:44
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
Then why do you blame "Christians" for Rwandan genocide when
it was ROMAN CATholics?
Get your facts straight.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
The earth is flat, we did't
actually go to the moon (it was shot in a movie studio), the
moon is made of green cheese, the universe is geocentric, alien
abductions proliferate, the rapture is coming, 6 day young earth
creationism ought to be taught in schools (?), RCC is/is not
Christian, US foreign policy is flawless,the trilateral
commission works for the good of womankind, all TRUE believers
understand scripture as it should be understood and all TRUE
believers live sin free.
Of course facts matter and, they
are not irrelevant.
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 03, 2006
06:16
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Facts are such STUBBORN things
Are they irrelevant in your
opinion?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Simply read the 'subject' along
with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism,
self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some.
I rest my case your honor.
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 02, 2006
19:08
Subject: Re:
[TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Some
of those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were
Re: [TruthTalk] ************* Moderator Comment**********
Moderator-Yes, you did John:
Simply read the 'subject' along with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I rest my case your honor.
Unless you can prove these above statements to be true.I am giving you guys lead way to do just that. You have a point concerning where does Ad. Hom begin (eg. To a person directly or to his family)and Kevin had an earlier point of : If it is the truth is it Ad. Hom.(eg. Is calling a Liar a liar Ad.Hom?)? This is a difficult problem to solve so I am now thinking that it is ok to call another a liar if you can prove they are lying or give another good explanation of why you did so. If not one should apologize? Do you think this is fair?
- Original Message -
From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 5:34:30 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] * Moderator Comment**
Dean:Did either of us cross any boundary lines in our engagement?
- Original Message -
From: Dean Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 03, 2006 18:42
Subject: [TruthTalk] * Moderator Comment**
Kevin/Lance Good debate but remember to stay within boundaries of Ad. Hom attacks-which I will set clearly after David M posting of my conduct.I also will addressee the "reply to moderator postings in private" at that time. You have the floor David-Think you can hold onto it?
- Original Message -
From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/3/2006 7:58:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
"Ye compass land and sea" I couldn't have chosen a subject that is more apropo. In a wierd kind of way I suppose, I should thank TT for continued examples...
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 03, 2006 07:35
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
I send you link after link on RC's being tried by the International court, you tell me what someone told you.
Facts VS Hearsay
You choose the latter, is it to protect your RC friends?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If this sampling of repartee is as good as it gets.(oh yah! my ideology can beat up your ideology! ) then, perspectivalism thy name is Truth(?)talk!
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 03, 2006 07:17
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
FACT- HearsayLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In FACT I have my FACTS straight. My source for my FACTS was in Rwanda. FACT: I've known this person for 15 years. FACT:He is a (non RCC) Christian.
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 03, 2006 06:44
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Then why do you blame "Christians" for Rwandan genocide when it was ROMAN CATholics?
Get your facts straight.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The earth is flat, we did't actually go to the moon (it was shot in a movie studio), the moon is made of green cheese, the universe is geocentric, alien abductions proliferate, the rapture is coming, 6 day young earth creationism ought to be taught in schools (?), RCC is/is not Christian, US foreign policy is flawless,the trilateral commission works for the good of womankind, all TRUE believers understand scripture as it should be understood and all TRUE believers live sin free.
Of course facts matter and, they are not irrelevant.
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 03, 2006 06:16
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Facts are such STUBBORN things
Are they irrelevant in your opinion?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Simply read the 'subject' along with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I rest my case your honor.
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 02, 2006 19:08
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Some of those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were believers.
WRONG AGAIN
Stop slurring Christians by trying to lump them in with Catholic KILLERS.
You play real loose with Facts. Are Facts irrelevant to you?
Maybe you need a program so you can tell apart the players?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53018-2002Sep22.html
Rwandan nuns were convicted of murder for their roles in the massacre of 7,000 Tutsis who sought protection at a Benedictine convent.
I think that means it was those loving catholics again!
Same old RC Church as it ever was:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4615171
an international court is trying several Catholic priests for their alleged role in the massacres, in which Hutus murdered 800,000 minority Tutsis and moderate Hutus
Catholic Wor
Re: [TruthTalk] ************* Moderator Comment**********
IFO do, Dean.
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 04, 2006 06:17
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *
Moderator Comment**
Moderator-Yes, you did John:
Simply read the 'subject' along
with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism,
self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I rest my
case your honor.
Unless you can prove these above statements to be true.I
am giving you guys lead way to do just that. You have a point concerning where
does Ad. Hom begin (eg. To a person directly or to his family)and Kevin
had an earlier point of : If it is the truth is it Ad. Hom.(eg. Is calling a
Liar a liar Ad.Hom?)? This is a difficult problem to solve so I am now
thinking that it is ok to call another a liar if you can prove they are lying
or give another good explanation of why you did so. If not one should
apologize? Do you think this is fair?
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 5:34:30 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *
Moderator Comment**
Dean:Did either of us cross any boundary lines
in our engagement?
- Original Message -
From:
Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 03, 2006 18:42
Subject: [TruthTalk] *
Moderator Comment**
Kevin/Lance Good debate but remember to stay within
boundaries of Ad. Hom attacks-which I will set clearly after David M
posting of my conduct.I also will addressee the "reply to moderator
postings in private" at that time. You have the floor David-Think you can
hold onto it?
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/3/2006 7:58:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
"Ye compass land and sea" I
couldn't have chosen a subject that is more apropo. In a wierd kind of
way I suppose, I should thank TT for continued examples...
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 03, 2006 07:35
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
I send you link after link on RC's being tried by the
International court, you tell me what someone told you.
Facts VS Hearsay
You choose the latter, is it to protect your RC
friends?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
If this sampling of repartee is as good
as it gets.(oh yah! my ideology can beat up your ideology! )
then, perspectivalism thy name is Truth(?)talk!
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 03, 2006
07:17
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?
FACT- HearsayLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
In FACT I have my FACTS straight.
My source for my FACTS was in Rwanda. FACT: I've known this
person for 15 years. FACT:He is a (non RCC)
Christian.
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 03, 2006
06:44
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Then why do you blame "Christians" for Rwandan genocide
when it was ROMAN CATholics?
Get your facts straight.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
The earth is flat, we did't
actually go to the moon (it was shot in a movie studio), the
moon is made of green cheese, the universe is geocentric,
alien abductions proliferate, the rapture is coming, 6 day
young earth creationism ought to be taught in schools (?),
RCC is/is not Christian, US foreign policy is
flawless,the trilateral commission works for the good
of womankind, all TRUE
Re: [TruthTalk] ************* Moderator Comment**********
This is to be expected since Lance AVOIDS answering questions and AVOIDS certain subjects. Especially if they are too close to home. In addition since he is not able to deal with the issues at hand, nor able to rationaly discuss such, ALL that is left is the SHOUTING! 'spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, self-righteousness and pride!) Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Moderator-Yes, you did John: Simply read the 'subject' along with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I rest my case your honor. Unless you can prove these above
statements to be true.I am giving you guys lead way to do just that. You have a point concerning where does Ad. Hom begin (eg. To a person directly or to his family)and Kevin had an earlier point of : If it is the truth is it Ad. Hom.(eg. Is calling a Liar a liar Ad.Hom?)? This is a difficult problem to solve so I am now thinking that it is ok to call another a liar if you can prove they are lying or give another good explanation of why you did so. If not one should apologize? Do you think this is fair? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 5:34:30 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] * Moderator Comment**Dean:Did either of us cross any boundary lines in our engagement? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 18:42 Subject: [TruthTalk] * Moderator Comment** Kevin/Lance Good debate but remember to stay within boundaries of Ad. Hom attacks-which I will set clearly after David M posting of my conduct.I also will addressee the "reply to moderator postings in private" at that time. You have the floor David-Think you can hold onto it? - Original Message - From: Lance
Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/3/2006 7:58:45 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?"Ye compass land and sea" I couldn't have chosen a subject that is more apropo. In a wierd kind of way I suppose, I should thank TT for continued examples...- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 07:35 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?I send you link after link on RC's being tried by the International court, you tell me what someone told you. Facts VS Hearsay You choose the latter, is it to protect your RC friends?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this sampling of repartee is as good as it gets.(oh yah! my ideology can beat up your ideology! ) then, perspectivalism thy name is
Truth(?)talk!- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 07:17 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? FACT- HearsayLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In FACT I have my FACTS straight. My source for my FACTS was in Rwanda. FACT: I've known this person for 15 years. FACT:He is a (non RCC) Christian.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 06:44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Then why do you blame
"Christians" for Rwandan genocide when it was ROMAN CATholics? Get your facts straight.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The earth is flat, we did't actually go to the moon (it was shot in a movie studio), the moon is made of green cheese, the universe is geocentric, alien abductions proliferate, the rapture is coming, 6 day young earth creationism ought to be taught in schools (?), RCC is/is not Christian, US foreign policy is flawless,the trilateral commission works for the good of womankind, all TRUE believers understand scripture as it should be understood and all TRUE believers live sin free.Of course facts
matter and, they are not irrelevant.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 06:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Facts are such STUBBORN thingsAre they irrelevant in your opinion?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simply read the 'subject' along with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I rest my case your honor.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 02, 2006 19:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Some of those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were believers.WRONG AGAIN Stop slurring Christians by trying to lump them in with Catholic KILLERS. You play real loose with Facts. Are Facts irrelevant to you?Maybe you need a program so you can tell apart the players? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/
[TruthTalk] ************* Moderator Comment**********
Kevin/Lance Good debate but remember to stay within boundaries of Ad. Hom attacks-which I will set clearly after David M posting of my conduct.I also will addressee the "reply to moderator postings in private" at that time. You have the floor David-Think you can hold onto it?
- Original Message -
From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/3/2006 7:58:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
"Ye compass land and sea" I couldn't have chosen a subject that is more apropo. In a wierd kind of way I suppose, I should thank TT for continued examples...
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 03, 2006 07:35
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
I send you link after link on RC's being tried by the International court, you tell me what someone told you.
Facts VS Hearsay
You choose the latter, is it to protect your RC friends?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If this sampling of repartee is as good as it gets.(oh yah! my ideology can beat up your ideology! ) then, perspectivalism thy name is Truth(?)talk!
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 03, 2006 07:17
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
FACT- HearsayLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In FACT I have my FACTS straight. My source for my FACTS was in Rwanda. FACT: I've known this person for 15 years. FACT:He is a (non RCC) Christian.
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 03, 2006 06:44
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Then why do you blame "Christians" for Rwandan genocide when it was ROMAN CATholics?
Get your facts straight.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The earth is flat, we did't actually go to the moon (it was shot in a movie studio), the moon is made of green cheese, the universe is geocentric, alien abductions proliferate, the rapture is coming, 6 day young earth creationism ought to be taught in schools (?), RCC is/is not Christian, US foreign policy is flawless,the trilateral commission works for the good of womankind, all TRUE believers understand scripture as it should be understood and all TRUE believers live sin free.
Of course facts matter and, they are not irrelevant.
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 03, 2006 06:16
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Facts are such STUBBORN things
Are they irrelevant in your opinion?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Simply read the 'subject' along with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I rest my case your honor.
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 02, 2006 19:08
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Some of those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were believers.
WRONG AGAIN
Stop slurring Christians by trying to lump them in with Catholic KILLERS.
You play real loose with Facts. Are Facts irrelevant to you?
Maybe you need a program so you can tell apart the players?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53018-2002Sep22.html
Rwandan nuns were convicted of murder for their roles in the massacre of 7,000 Tutsis who sought protection at a Benedictine convent.
I think that means it was those loving catholics again!
Same old RC Church as it ever was:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4615171
an international court is trying several Catholic priests for their alleged role in the massacres, in which Hutus murdered 800,000 minority Tutsis and moderate Hutus
Catholic World News: http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=39498Kigali, Sep. 08, 2005 (CWNews.com) - Authorities in Rwanda have arrested a Belgian Catholic priest on charges related to the genocidal massacres of 1994.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/intljustice/tribunals/rwanda/2004/0920priest.htm
Father Seromba's trial at the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda will revive heated debate about the role of the Catholic Church during the dark days of 1994. The Catholic hierarchy in Rwanda had close ties to extremist politicians in the run up to the genocide and some priests like Father Seromba are accused of actively assisting the Hutu militias.
In 2001, two nuns were found guilty of taking part in the genocide in a Belgian court. The Vatican accepts there are individuals in the church who committed crimes, but controversially, it says the Church as an institution cannot be held to blame. At the time of the genocide, some 60% of Rwandans were Catholic but some have since converted to Islam, saying the Church failed them in 1994.
http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category/features/21165Rwanda was the most Christianized country in Africa and the Roman Catholics were far and away the
[TruthTalk] ******Moderator comment***
Gary, This is getting into the area of a personal attack on Christine (ie.teeny bopper world)-try respect -it works. - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/26/2006 11:42:37 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is it wrong to insult a religion? Did you just copy and paste an e. e. cummings poem in there, Gary?? In my teeny-bopper world, we speak in sentences. Would you mind translating that into common vernacular? :-)(Thanks for the inclusion.)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thinkin' person's variation 1 (women included:) On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:49:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..thoughts regarding the Cartoon wars? today's cartoons, as the art form has accomplished in the past,presagethe realchaoscoming | 'noocuuler' engagement is brewing, e.g., when theisraeli air force (partic the elite69th squadron) bolts from the baghdad blue sky, bunker bustg the budding iranian (nuclear) arsenal[,] query saddam h., et. al.abouttheconcept:'under ground', where, when radical[s] change[..] your teenybopperworld[..], the wordchaoscould be easier to spell correctly Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
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|| you're welcome:) - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/26/2006 11:42:37 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is it wrong to insult a religion? In my teeny-bopper world, we speak in sentences. Would you mind translating .. (Thanks for the inclusion.)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thinkin' person's variation2 (women still included:) On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:49:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..thoughts regarding the Cartoon wars? today's cartoons, as the art form has accomplished in the past,presagethe realchaoscoming 'noocuuler' engagement is brewing e.g., when theisraeli air force (partic the elite69th squadron) bolts from the baghdad blue sky, bunker bustg the budding iranian (nuclear) arsenal, (one may wanna) query saddam h., et.al.,abouttheconcept:'under ground', (where, when radical[s] change[..] y/our..world[..], the wordchaoscould be easier to spell correctlyfor someppl) ||
[TruthTalk] ***Moderator Comment**
**Moderator Comment David you are bringing private moderator discussions on this public TT site-I realize you are attempting to control lies and your reputation for the good of this site-but you are violating the same rule others were reprimanded for. It would not be fair to others if I allowed this to continue- If you bring private discussions on this list again-in a reasonable amount of time- I will have no choice but to suspend you for three days-and reinstate you per your agreement to comply to the rules.It is my Job to protect others on this list from this type of discussion. I suggest you e-mail the members on this list privately for this type of iniquity. Thanks Carroll Moore-Moderator [Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/21/2006 8:16:50 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Truth Gossip Lance quotes Debbie: a false rumour has the power to destroy a person. Considering the truthfulness of this statement, I would like to clarify some things because it has come to my attention that John is engaging others on this forum in gossip about me. John tells me that he will not courtesy copy me on any of these communications about me. His grapevine involves at least four other TruthTalk members. I cannot force him not to gossip, nor can I force anyone to turn away their ear from hearing gossip and falsehoods, but when I know of it occurring, I can shine a light upon it and urge you all to turn away from listening to gossip about others. John and I have had some private exchanges wherein he has clarified a number of things concerning his attitude toward me. 1. He believes that I am a false prophet. 2. He believes that I am a fraud and that I am addicted to fraud. 3. He believes that I am addicted to arrogance. 4. He believes that I am addicted to deceit. 5. He believes that I am addicted to the false witness of the beliefs of others. 6. He believes that I am a backstabber, and that I have backstabbed him. 7. He believes that I am allowing a lie to rule the day. 8. He believes that a good amount of my life is a lie. 9. He believes that I claimed to be a Ph.D. and that I tried to make others believe that I had a Ph.D. 10. He claims that there are four other TruthTalk members who believe that I pretended to have a Ph.D. 11. He believes that I claimed to be an apostle. 12. He believes that it was his persistent questioning that exposed these falsehoods of a Ph.D. degree and apostolic function that I was supposedly trying to convince everyone else to be true about me. 13. He believes that I have set myself up as a judge. 14. He believes that I speak ONLY from personal bias. 15. He believes that there is scarcely a single post addressed to him from me that does not have something personal and insulting. 16. He believes that I have made false claims about successes as a street preacher. 17. He believes Dean has elevated the moderator position to that of judge and jury. 18. He believes Dean is a coward. 19. He believes Dean hides behind the testimony of confused and weak women. 20. He believes that Dean is no different than southern hicks who hung blacks, burned churches, and killed those who opposed their ignorance. 21. He believes that Dean lacks integrity. 22. He believes that Dean and Judy are lying about him asking for her Pastor's name in order to get his opinion on her teachings. 23 He tells me that SEVERAL on TruthTalk have told him that I am a scary fellow. 24. He believes that he was expelled for a lie. 25. He believes that my questions about his leadership role and my interest in talking with those in leadership with him constituted a threat. 26. He believes that I had the notion of vengeful activity toward him. 27. He believes that I wanted to expose him to his pastor, but what I was going to expose is not stated. 28. He believes that I wanted to speak evil about him. 29. He has no reason to believe anything I say. 30. He believes that I am profoundly ignorant. 31. He believes that there was nothing ad hominem in his treatment of me. 32. He believes that he knows the real reason he was expelled and it is not the reason that I think it was. 33. He makes it clear to me that I am not his friend. 34. He believes that I am a cultist without a cult. 35. He believes that my evil is profound. Very clearly, communication between us has completely broken down. These recent disclosures have caused a total lack of trust on my part toward John. It disturbs me that others on TruthTalk are engaging in gossip with him. I consider gossip a sin, and I urge anyone who is engaging in it and allowing their minds to be soured by this man to reconsider what they are doing. John has said that several of you think I am a scary person because I asked
[TruthTalk] ***Moderator Comment***
To all TT's-John will no longer be on this list-I gave him a fair opportunity to apologize for his behavior and he elected not to. As Moderator it is my duty to see that others are treated with some degree of respect. I am not responsible for events of Ad.Hom style attacks in the past but while I have the watch as Moderator respect for others will be shown.Many people have left this list because of these attacks and I don't see why others would want to discuss religion with a group of cursing and mocking maniacs so lets just be good to each other regardless of religion and see if this list can be saved-it is close to going under-you can help save it if you try andtreat others fairly.Respect is the key word.Thanks and God bless you.Carroll Moore, Moderator. Rev.2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations
[TruthTalk] *** Moderator Comment****
Gary/John lets leave off on the discussion of female breasts-and at least make an effort to appear Christian inyour conversations.Thanks. - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/18/2006 1:12:18 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] U.S. Religious Demographics 1992-2001 Would it be wrong for me to suggest that you strike me as one who has a good grasp of the situation? jd -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A man walked into the ladies department of a Macy's and shyly walked up to the woman behind the counter and said, "I'd like to buy a bra for my wife." "What type of bra?" asked the clerk. "Type?" inquires the man, "There's more than one type?" "Look around," said the saleslady, as she showed a sea of bras in every shape, size, color and material imaginable. "Actually, even with all of this variety, there are really only fourtypes of bras to choose from." Relieved, the man asked about the types. The saleslady replied: "There are the Catholic, the Salvation Army, the Presbyterian, and the Baptist types. Which one would you prefer?" Now totally befuddled, the man asked about the differences between them. The Saleslady responded, "It is all really quite simple...the Catholic type supports the masses. The Salvation Army type lifts the fallen, the Presbyterian type keeps them staunch and upright, andthe Baptist makes mountains out of mole hills... On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 02:15:43 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Largest denominational families in U.S., 2001(self-identification, ARIS) ||
[TruthTalk] ***Moderator Comment***
John/David work this out in private. Thanks-Carroll Moore, Moderator - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/18/2006 8:34:36 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding Wrong picture, John. Take insulting and malicious comments like this private, please. David Miller. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding Picture the format of a typical political cartoon. See David Miller towering over a rather humble looking John Smithson. David's eyes are narrow and his rather bushy eyebrows have a devilish slant to them. A smile is on his face, one which some would confuse with a snear. His hands are behind his back --- clutching a large butcher knife dripping with the fresh blood of a previous opponentas he speaks these words: "If you are open to my questions, then please tell us the name of your church and the pastors with whom you are in leadership there. You said you were a pastor in Sanger. Is that pastor of Sanger Foursquare Church or some other fellowship? If I am misunderstanding something that you were trying to communicate, then please clarify. Thanks." Get the picture? jd -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] John wrote: Why would you go to the trouble of checking me out ? What if David decides that I need to be exposed and consults with these leaders? Exposed for what? I don't see that there is anything to expose. You said that you were speaking as one in leadership. You identified your gift as one of being a pastor. This created a curiosity in me to understand more of your leadership role in your church. Don't make more of it than that. If I did speak about you, John, you can be sure that I would only speak of the good which I find in you. It would be a sin to speak evil of a brother in Christ, or to gossip about him in a way that would cast him in a negative light. John wrote: Please n ote my willingness to be open with your questioning and your refusal to be equally so in regards to a number of your claims over the past two years. I'm not aware of my making any "claims" much less of being uncooperative concerning questions about such claims. Can you tell me what you are talking about? If you are open to my questions, then please tell us the name of your church and the pastors with whom you are in leadership there. You said you were a pastor in Sanger. Is that pastor of Sanger Foursquare Church or some other fellowship? If I am misunderstanding something that you were trying to communicate, then please clarify. Thanks. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not wan t to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
[TruthTalk] ***Moderator Comment****
Judy/TT's if the word "Moderator" is in the subject line it is to bereplied too in private and not public-I am doing this because I want to separate disciplinary action from the normal debating that has of late always broken down into fighting and name calling. If I fail to do thisthen debating over the disciplinary action will also be a never ending debate to which the entire group will become involved/sides will then be taken and chaos will rein. I hope you all understand this.Take the time to look at the subject line of your replies. - Original Message - From: Judith H Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/11/2006 9:34:37 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moderator Since when is demeaning others funny?? On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:39:25 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is called a sense of humour DM. - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 08, 2006 15:09 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moderator Everyone has their own moderating style. Let's give Dean a chance and see what he does with the list. Nothing is wrong with him encouraging threads that are profitable and discouraging threads that are not. I do note, however, that Lance made several ad hominem style references, such as attributing"cranial denseness" to me. Whatever that means, I don't think it was meant to be flattering. Do you think such remarks should be encouraged? David Miller. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moderator Dean -- are you going to micro-manage all our discussions? I am interested in Lances point of view on this and want to see more - from Lance and DM an DH. DM -- is this the purpose of the Moderator - to micro-manage our discussion and decide when a particualr discussion needs to "move along?" jd - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/8/2006 6:31:04 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Is the list owner impervious to sanctions when baseless charges are levelled by him? As I see it DM owes DH a profound apology for his interminable dragging out of a most minor issue.THAT, David Miller, is the cranial denseness to which I made reference during our recent exchange.You are 'The very model of a modern major-general'. Gilbert Sullivan were describing you prior to your birth. cd: Lance I will decide who owes whom an apology. As I see it this issue was settled. Let not repeat mistakes of others by bringing this back up thanks. Move alone folks- nothing to see here. Further DM, please spare us the tired old arguments re: that which you actually mean by 'perfection'. Phil Spector, in his song performed by the Teddy Bears alluded to DM in his lyrics 'To know, know, know him is to love, love, love him.'. So then DM, if it is simply affirmation or, as Denny Crane would say 'hug?' then, we collectively affirm and hug you. OK! shall we move on. This ain't court, DM!!
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Please forgive me Dean/TT's - I hear you and will be sure to remember in future. judyt On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:41:24 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy/TT's if the word "Moderator" is in the subject line it is to bereplied too in private and not public-I am doing this because I want to separate disciplinary action from the normal debating that has of late always broken down into fighting and name calling. If I fail to do thisthen debating over the disciplinary action will also be a never ending debate to which the entire group will become involved/sides will then be taken and chaos will rein. I hope you all understand this.Take the time to look at the subject line of your replies. - Original Message - From: Judith H Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/11/2006 9:34:37 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moderator Since when is demeaning others funny?? On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:39:25 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is called a sense of humour DM. - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 08, 2006 15:09 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moderator Everyone has their own moderating style. Let's give Dean a chance and see what he does with the list. Nothing is wrong with him encouraging threads that are profitable and discouraging threads that are not. I do note, however, that Lance made several ad hominem style references, such as attributing"cranial denseness" to me. Whatever that means, I don't think it was meant to be flattering. Do you think such remarks should be encouraged? David Miller. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Moderator Dean -- are you going to micro-manage all our discussions? I am interested in Lances point of view on this and want to see more - from Lance and DM an DH. DM -- is this the purpose of the Moderator - to micro-manage our discussion and decide when a particualr discussion needs to "move along?" jd - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 2/8/2006 6:31:04 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Is the list owner impervious to sanctions when baseless charges are levelled by him? As I see it DM owes DH a profound apology for his interminable dragging out of a most minor issue.THAT, David Miller, is the cranial denseness to which I made reference during our recent exchange.You are 'The very model of a modern major-general'. Gilbert Sullivan were describing you prior to your birth. cd: Lance I will decide who owes whom an apology. As I see it this issue was settled. Let not repeat mistakes of others by bringing this back up thanks. Move alone folks- nothing to see here. Further DM, please spare us the tired old arguments re: that which you actually mean by 'perfection'. Phil Spector, in his song performed by the Teddy Bears alluded to DM in his lyrics 'To know, know, know him is to love, love, love him.'. So then DM, if it is simply affirmation or, as Denny Crane would say 'hug?' then, we collectively affirm and hug you. OK! shall we move on. This ain't court, DM!!
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It came from a disagreement and since you are so "orthodox" then I had to be the heretic - Isn't this correct Bill? And then you balk when I associate you with the Church Fathers who came up with the concept of "orthodox" to begin with. At the beginning it was the"faith" that was once delivered to the saints On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:25:04 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think if you will follow the exchange from start to finish, it will become quite evident the context in which I employed the term, Perry. With that in view, I agree with your comments. Bill - Original Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] You TT'rs are posting at a much faster rate than I can follow with my limited time during the week to moderate. So, please help me out...if you see what you believe is an ad hominem, even if it does not involve you, feel free to forward the email to me privately. I will follow up as I best I can. About the subject line: "Re: [TruthTalk] More drivel from the heretic" This subject seems to have appeared first on one of Bill's posts...Bill, if I am wrong please say so. This "heretic" theme is getting old. "heretic" is strictly a relative term as we use it...relative to our own beliefs about our faith. And, it seems that even if we agree with a fellow Christian in XX% of their theology, but they do not agree with one of our pet doctrines, then we label them a heretic. I think we mostly agree that none of us are 100% correct 100% of the time with respect to our theology. Therefore, at times we all could be called "heretic" by others that do not agree with us (and probably have been!) Rather than call fellow Christians "heretic", why not soundly debate the issue, and if no agreement is reached, then agree to disagree. Perry the Moderator -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Plains.Net, and is believed to be clean. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
[TruthTalk] ** Moderator Comment **
You TT'rs are posting at a much faster rate than I can follow with my limited time during the week to moderate. So, please help me out...if you see what you believe is an ad hominem, even if it does not involve you, feel free to forward the email to me privately. I will follow up as I best I can. About the subject line: Re: [TruthTalk] More drivel from the heretic This subject seems to have appeared first on one of Bill's posts...Bill, if I am wrong please say so. This heretic theme is getting old. heretic is strictly a relative term as we use it...relative to our own beliefs about our faith. And, it seems that even if we agree with a fellow Christian in XX% of their theology, but they do not agree with one of our pet doctrines, then we label them a heretic. I think we mostly agree that none of us are 100% correct 100% of the time with respect to our theology. Therefore, at times we all could be called heretic by others that do not agree with us (and probably have been!) Rather than call fellow Christians heretic, why not soundly debate the issue, and if no agreement is reached, then agree to disagree. Perry the Moderator -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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I think if you will follow the exchange from start to finish, it will become quite evident the context in which I employed the term, Perry. With that in view, I agree with your comments. Bill - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:17 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator Comment ** You TT'rs are posting at a much faster rate than I can follow with my limited time during the week to moderate. So, please help me out...if you see what you believe is an ad hominem, even if it does not involve you, feel free to forward the email to me privately. I will follow up as I best I can. About the subject line: Re: [TruthTalk] More drivel from the heretic This subject seems to have appeared first on one of Bill's posts...Bill, if I am wrong please say so. This heretic theme is getting old. heretic is strictly a relative term as we use it...relative to our own beliefs about our faith. And, it seems that even if we agree with a fellow Christian in XX% of their theology, but they do not agree with one of our pet doctrines, then we label them a heretic. I think we mostly agree that none of us are 100% correct 100% of the time with respect to our theology. Therefore, at times we all could be called heretic by others that do not agree with us (and probably have been!) Rather than call fellow Christians heretic, why not soundly debate the issue, and if no agreement is reached, then agree to disagree. Perry the Moderator -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Plains.Net, and is believed to be clean. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
[TruthTalk] ** moderator comment **
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... cult-apostles like DavidM... Gary, your calling DM a cult-apostle is a direct attack on him. He does not claim to be an apostle, and adding cult to that erroneous label makes it an ad-hominem reference. I encourage you to retract that ad-hominem reference and ask you to refrain from using such references in the future. Perry -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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no one here claims to be a swine--does he feel like onea them, too? doubtful, but, ifso, you can tell himwe're feelg his pain chalk it up to limbaugh love, Bro! On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:12:09 -0800 "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:|| Hedoesnot claim to be an apostle..an ad-hominem reference. ||
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In a message dated 12/17/2005 11:21:23 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, Dean, we are in full agreement on this one. jd -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin, Blain-while I am not the Moderator I would like to remind you guys that according to the Holy Spirit we are suppose to be subject to authority-Here Perry is that authority.
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Thanks for the courtesy of a responseCharles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, Blaine this is a banned thread...please move on.From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:53:48 -0800 (PST) Can you print the entire context, please? Blainerb From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Izzy's sex life Hi Izzy, I was looking through some of my old e-mails and came uponone with the above subject title--jus' thought I'd let you know I am still waiting with 'bated breath for your more complete description . . . Blainerb[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/16/2005 2:03:37 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since you have been asked to stop stirring the pot And some subjects have been identified as OFF LIMITS I have declined to comment But since you guys can not leave it alone I was refering to your PRIVATE email off list to a member of this list stating you were "waiting with 'bated breath for your more complete description . . ." First of all, I don't recall writing to anyone in private. If I did, it may have been because I had not noticed it was private. Who was it that got the letter in private, Kevin? Are you the one? It must have been you, or Dean--both of you have brought this up--and if it was private why did you post it contrary to the rules?. Secondly, I vaguely remember making that comment, but I don't recall the context in which I made it. Can you print the entire context, please? Blainerb__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection aroundhttp://mail.yahoo.com--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **
Kevin, Blain-while I am not the Moderator I would like to remind you guys that according to the Holy Spirit we are suppose to be subject to authority-Here Perry is that authority. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/16/2005 10:53:49 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment ** Can you print the entire context, please? Blainerb From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:00 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Izzy's sex lifeHi Izzy, I was looking through some of my old e-mails and came upon one with the above subject title--jus' thought I'd let you know I am still waiting with 'bated breath for your more complete description . . .Blainerb[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/16/2005 2:03:37 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sinceyou have been asked to stop stirring the pot And some subjects have been identified as OFF LIMITS I have declined to comment But since you guys can not leave it alone I was refering to your PRIVATE email off list to a member of this list stating you were "waiting with 'bated breath for your more complete description . . ." First of all, I don't recall writing to anyone in private. If I did, it may have been becauseI had not noticed it was private. Who was it that got the letter in private, Kevin? Are you the one? It must have been you, or Dean--both of you have brought this up--and if it was private why did you post it contrary to the rules?. Secondly, I vaguely remember making that comment, but I don't recall the context in whichI made it. Can you print the entire context, please? Blainerb __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **
Amen. Terry Dean Moore wrote: Kevin, Blain-while I am not the Moderator I would like to remind you guys that according to the Holy Spirit we are suppose to be subject to authority-Here Perry is that authority. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/16/2005 10:53:49 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment ** Can you print the entire context, please? Blainerb From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Izzy's sex life Hi Izzy, I was looking through some of my old e-mails and came upon one with the above subject title--jus' thought I'd let you know I am still waiting with 'bated breath for your more complete description . . . Blainerb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/16/2005 2:03:37 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sinceyou have been asked to stop stirring the pot And some subjects have been identified as OFF LIMITS I have declined to comment But since you guys can not leave it alone I was refering to your PRIVATE email off list to a member of this list stating you were "waiting with 'bated breath for your more complete description . . ." First of all, I don't recall writing to anyone in private. If I did, it may have been becauseI had not noticed it was private. Who was it that got the letter in private, Kevin? Are you the one? It must have been you, or Dean--both of you have brought this up--and if it was private why did you post it contrary to the rules?. Secondly, I vaguely remember making that comment, but I don't recall the context in whichI made it. Can you print the entire context, please? Blainerb __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **
Well, Dean, we are in full agreement on this one. jd -- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin, Blain-while I am not the Moderator I would like to remind you guys that according to the Holy Spirit we are suppose to be subject to authority-Here Perry is that authority. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/16/2005 10:53:49 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment ** Can you print the entire context, please? Blainerb From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:00 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Izzy's sex lifeHi Izzy, I was looking through some of my old e-mails and came upon one with the above subject title--jus' thought I'd let you know I am still waiting with 'bated breath for your more complete description . . .Blainerb[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/16/2005 2:03:37 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sinceyou have been asked to stop stirring the pot And some subjects have been identified as OFF LIMITS I have declined to comment But since you guys can not leave it alone I was refering to your PRIVATE email off list to a member of this list stating you were "waiting with 'bated breath for your more complete description . . ." First of all, I don't recall writing to anyone in private. If I did, it may have been becauseI had not noticed it was private. Who was it that got the letter in private, Kevin? Are you the one? It must have been you, or Dean--both of you have brought this up--and if it was private why did you post it contrary to the rules?. Secondly, I vaguely remember making that comment, but I don't recall the context in whichI made it. Can you print the entire context, please? Blainerb __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **
Oh, yeah, now I remember writing that. I should have just said I was holding my breath, huh? :) Blainerb In a message dated 12/16/2005 8:54:01 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can you print the entire context, please? Blainerb From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:00 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Izzy's sex lifeHi Izzy, I was looking through some of my old e-mails and came upon one with the above subject title--jus' thought I'd let you know I am still waiting with 'bated breath for your more complete description . . .Blainerb[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/16/2005 2:03:37 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sinceyou have been asked to stop stirring the pot And some subjects have been identified as OFF LIMITS I have declined to comment But since you guys can not leave it alone I was refering to your PRIVATE email off list to a member of this list stating you were "waiting with 'bated breath for your more complete description . . ." First of all, I don't recall writing to anyone in private. If I did, it may have been becauseI had not noticed it was private. Who was it that got the letter in private, Kevin? Are you the one? It must have been you, or Dean--both of you have brought this up--and if it was private why did you post it contrary to the rules?. Secondly, I vaguely remember making that comment, but I don't recall the context in whichI made it. Can you print the entire context, please? Blainerb
Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **
Blaine, why do you cintinue to comment on a thread that has been banned? No more posts on this topic, please. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment ** Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:12:50 EST Oh, yeah, now I remember writing that. I should have just said I was holding my breath, huh? :) Blainerb In a message dated 12/16/2005 8:54:01 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can you print the entire context, please? Blainerb From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (http://us.f537.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (http://us.f537.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Subject: Izzy's sex life Hi Izzy, I was looking through some of my old e-mails and came upon one with the above subject title--jus' thought I'd let you know I am still waiting with 'bated breath for your more complete description . . . Blainerb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/16/2005 2:03:37 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since you have been asked to stop stirring the pot And some subjects have been identified as OFF LIMITS I have declined to comment But since you guys can not leave it alone I was refering to your PRIVATE email off list to a member of this list stating you were waiting with 'bated breath for your more complete description . . . First of all, I don't recall writing to anyone in private. If I did, it may have been because I had not noticed it was private. Who was it that got the letter in private, Kevin? Are you the one? It must have been you, or Dean--both of you have brought this up--and if it was private why did you post it contrary to the rules?. Secondly, I vaguely remember making that comment, but I don't recall the context in which I made it. Can you print the entire context, please? Blainerb -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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The last private e-mail I got from Dave was when I was off-Forum. I have sent him no such e-mails since, either. Kevin is, as usual, just seeing his own beam in our eyes. :) Blainerb In a message dated 12/14/2005 5:24:09 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: It is my opinion that mormons are big crybabies-and I have no idea what you are refering to-as you accuse others of the very thing you yourself are doing. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/14/2005 2:03:00 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment ** fact DAVEH: ??? To what fact are you referring, Kevin? I remember Dean accidentally publicly posting an email about John (as I remember) that he apparently thought he sent to you under the table, but Blaine and I haven't done such. While I've copied many of the pertinent posts to Blaine during the period he was off-Forum, we don't exchange strategies with each other, and seldom even send off-forum comments to each other. So...why would you imply it is a fact that we do some things thru private emails "under the table, when the evidence instead suggests that it is you and Dean who use such tactics? Was it Dean who suggested that if a person is critical of another's nature, it might be that the accuser is hiding something? NawI don't think he said anything like that, as it might have made him feel guilty. nbsp; ;-) Kevin Deegan wrote: infact it is the LDS folk who have made comments and done some things thru private emails "under the table"
Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **
Sinceyou have been asked to stop stirring the pot And some subjects have been identified as OFF LIMITS I have declined to comment But since you guys can not leave it aloneI was refering to your PRIVATE email off list to a member of this list stating you were "waiting with 'bated breath for your more complete description . . ."[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:The last private e-mail I got from Dave was when I was off-Forum. I have sent him no such e-mails since, either. Kevin is, as usual, just seeing his own beam in our eyes. :) BlainerbIn a message dated 12/14/2005 5:24:09 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: It is my opinion that mormons are big crybabies-and I have no idea what you are refering to-as you accuse others of the very thing you yourself are doing. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/14/2005 2:03:00 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment ** fact DAVEH: ??? To what fact are you referring, Kevin? I remember Dean accidentally publicly posting an email about John (as I remember) that he apparently thought he sent to you under the table, but Blaine and I haven't done such. While I've copied many of the pertinent posts to Blaine during the period he was off-Forum, we don't exchange strategies with each other, and seldom even send off-forum comments to each other. So...why would you imply it is a fact that we do some things thru private emails "under the table, when the evidence instead suggests that it is you and Dean who use such tactics? Was it Dean who suggested that if a person is critical of another's nature, it might be that the accuser is hiding something? NawI don't think he said anything like that, as it might have made him feel guilty. nbsp; ;-) Kevin Deegan wrote: infact it is the LDS folk who have made comments and done some things thru private emails "under the table" __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment **
In a message dated 12/16/2005 2:03:37 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sinceyou have been asked to stop stirring the pot And some subjects have been identified as OFF LIMITS I have declined to comment But since you guys can not leave it alone I was refering to your PRIVATE email off list to a member of this list stating you were "waiting with 'bated breath for your more complete description . . ." First of all, I don't recall writing to anyone in private. If I did, it may have been becauseI had not noticed it was private. Who was it that got the letter in private, Kevin? Are you the one? It must have been you, or Dean--both of you have brought this up--and if it was private why did you post it contrary to the rules?. Secondly, I vaguely remember making that comment, but I don't recall the context in whichI made it. Can you print the entire context, please? Blainerb
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- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/16/2005 5:24:09 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment ** In a message dated 12/16/2005 2:03:37 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sinceyou have been asked to stop stirring the pot And some subjects have been identified as OFF LIMITS I have declined to comment But since you guys can not leave it alone I was refering to your PRIVATE email off list to a member of this list stating you were "waiting with 'bated breath for your more complete description . . ." First of all, I don't recall writing to anyone in private. If I did, it may have been becauseI had not noticed it was private. Who was it that got the letter in private, Kevin? Are you the one? It must have been you, or Dean--both of you have brought this up--and if it was private why did you post it contrary to the rules?. cd: I have no idea what you are talking about Blain? Leave me out of it. This "it must have been ...Dean" is making an accusation of someone on what might have happened doesn't cut it Blain-at least be fair or am I asking to much from a Mormon? Secondly, I vaguely remember making that comment, but I don't recall the context in whichI made it. Can you print the entire context, please? Blainerb
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Can you print the entire context, please? Blainerb From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:00 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Izzy's sex lifeHi Izzy, I was looking through some of my old e-mails and came upon one with the above subject title--jus' thought I'd let you know I am still waiting with 'bated breath for your more complete description . . .Blainerb[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/16/2005 2:03:37 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Sinceyou have been asked to stop stirring the pot And some subjects have been identified as OFF LIMITS I have declined to comment But since you guys can not leave it aloneI was refering to your PRIVATE email off list to a member of this list stating you were "waiting with 'bated breath for your more complete description . . ."First of all, I don't recall writing to anyone in private. If I did, it may have been becauseI had not noticed it was private. Who was it that got the letter in private, Kevin? Are you the one? It must have been you, or Dean--both of you have brought this up--and if it was private why did you post it contrary to the rules?.Secondly, I vaguely remember making that comment, but I don't recall the context in whichI made it. Can you print the entire context, please? Blainerb__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Kevin, Blaine this is a banned thread...please move on. From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment ** Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:53:48 -0800 (PST) Can you print the entire context, please? Blainerb From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Izzy's sex life Hi Izzy, I was looking through some of my old e-mails and came upon one with the above subject title--jus' thought I'd let you know I am still waiting with 'bated breath for your more complete description . . . Blainerb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/16/2005 2:03:37 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since you have been asked to stop stirring the pot And some subjects have been identified as OFF LIMITS I have declined to comment But since you guys can not leave it alone I was refering to your PRIVATE email off list to a member of this list stating you were waiting with 'bated breath for your more complete description . . . First of all, I don't recall writing to anyone in private. If I did, it may have been because I had not noticed it was private. Who was it that got the letter in private, Kevin? Are you the one? It must have been you, or Dean--both of you have brought this up--and if it was private why did you post it contrary to the rules?. Secondly, I vaguely remember making that comment, but I don't recall the context in which I made it. Can you print the entire context, please? Blainerb __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Dave, lets take this offline, okay? DAVEH: Why take it offline, Perry? When you and Kevin chide Mormons for not wanting to discuss Temple things online, you seem to recognize no level of respect for my sacred beliefs. Now you make what I have considered to be your sexually charged comments If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! .and have used them as evidence of the double standard here on TT, and you now want me to take my responses offline now that YOU have done the initial damage. Isn't that just another example of a double standard that I've brought to light, Perry? What is your problem with this double standard discussion, Perry? You can pound on Mormons all day long and not tire. Yet when what appears to be Christian hypocrisy being practiced by you is exposed, you want to hide it under the bushel. Seems like I remember you (or was it Kevin) accusing me of the same thing awhile back. That's the problem with a moderator who has boldly claimed he's on a crusade against Mormonism. As long as he's lobbing the grenades at the Mormons, it is a fun game to play. But, when those grenades start coming back quicker than they can explode, it ain't so much fun anymore. As I understand it, there is only one rule applicable to TruthTalk. And that is the ad-hom rule. If I break it, then I deserve a reprimand. But the big question is whether or not I deserve a reprimand for posting the truth about the double standard being practiced on TT? Does it qualify as an ad-hom? If not, then why should this topic not be discussed openly whenever it rears its ugly head? Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, lets take this offline, okay? * Please try to /refrain /from making sexual references, especially /false accuastions/.* DAVEH: Let's see if I understand this, Perry. Recently I asked some questions that were no more sexually oriented than what you commonly make, Dean then claimed foul..and you banned further discussion based on the /perception /you and Dean had about what those comments might have implied. Now you have made a comment that can be perceived to be sexually charged.. *If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! * ..and you don't want to recognize the double standard? It is interesting that when you or other TTers make any kind of denigrating remarks toward LDS theology with sexual implications, nothing is considered off limits. When I point out this obvious double standard, I am cautioned by the moderator to /refrain /from bringing the discussion to the TT table under the guise of making/ false accusations/. It must be convenient to have a moderator who can see non-LDS posters through one non-judgmental eye, and perceive a completely different perspective of LDS posters through the other, more critical eye. I suppose if one has an ax to grind against LDS theology, and is not embarrassed to publicly admit suchthen it should not surprise anybody to find that person practicing a double standard. The curious part about this is that it happens on a forum called /TruthTalk/, where /truth /is presupposed to be the dominating factor, yet it seems to be suppressed when it comes to recognizing the Christian hypocrisy found here. Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, * Please try to /refrain /from making sexual references, especially /false accuastions/.* This is not the forum for that? I am sure there are many discussion forums about sex if that type of discussion interests you. Perry From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Perry's Sexually Suggestive Comments Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:07:35 -0800 **If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! ** DAVEH: I wonder if Dean is going to rebuke you for making such sexually suggestive comments, Perry! If not, will we then have another example of hypocritical Christianity in TT? Charles Perry Locke wrote: Just be sure you remember your secret password and secret handshake so Joseph Smith will allow you entrance into heaven. *If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! * From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Signing off... Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:19:35 EST I guess I never got to know you, Christine--but hope to meet you in the great beyond--you may be required to testify at the Bar of God as to what you have seen and heard on TT-- Blainerb In a message dated 12/11/2005 11:24:52
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cd: It is my opinion that mormons are big crybabies-and I have no idea what you are refering to-as you accuse others of the very thing you yourself are doing. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/14/2005 2:03:00 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment ** fact DAVEH: ??? To what fact are you referring, Kevin? I remember Dean accidentally publicly posting an email about John (as I remember) that he apparently thought he sent to you under the table, but Blaine and I haven't done such. While I've copied many of the pertinent posts to Blaine during the period he was off-Forum, we don't exchange strategies with each other, and seldom even send off-forum comments to each other. So...why would you imply it is a fact that we do some things thru private emails "under the table, when the evidence instead suggests that it is you and Dean who use such tactics? Was it Dean who suggested that if a person is critical of another's nature, it might be that the accuser is hiding something? NawI don't think he said anything like that, as it might have made him feel guilty.& nbsp; ;-) Kevin Deegan wrote: infact it is the LDS folk who have made comments and done some things thru private emails "under the table"-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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Dave, Please try to refrain from making sexual references, especially false accuastions. This is not the forum for that? I am sure there are many discussion forums about sex if that type of discussion interests you. Perry From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Perry's Sexually Suggestive Comments Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:07:35 -0800 *If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! * DAVEH: I wonder if Dean is going to rebuke you for making such sexually suggestive comments, Perry! If not, will we then have another example of hypocritical Christianity in TT? Charles Perry Locke wrote: Just be sure you remember your secret password and secret handshake so Joseph Smith will allow you entrance into heaven. *If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! * From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Signing off... Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:19:35 EST I guess I never got to know you, Christine--but hope to meet you in the great beyond--you may be required to testify at the Bar of God as to what you have seen and heard on TT-- Blainerb In a message dated 12/11/2005 11:24:52 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am signing off. I have gotten sucked into the world of TT, and I think it would be beneficial to my GPA to bid adeiu. Thanks for all the discussions. I have learned a great deal. May the Lord bless you and keep you all. It would be cool to meet you all in real life some day. But maybe not all in the same room. I wonder how that would turn out... :-) -Christine Miller -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Please try to refrain from making sexual references, especially false accuastions. DAVEH: Let's see if I understand this, Perry. Recently I asked some questions that were no more sexually oriented than what you commonly make, Dean then claimed foul..and you banned further discussion based on the perception you and Dean had about what those comments might have implied. Now you have made a comment that can be perceived to be sexually charged.. If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! ..and you don't want to recognize the double standard? It is interesting that when you or other TTers make any kind of denigrating remarks toward LDS theology with sexual implications, nothing is considered off limits. When I point out this obvious double standard, I am cautioned by the moderator to refrain from bringing the discussion to the TT table under the guise of making false accusations. It must be convenient to have a moderator who can see non-LDS posters through one non-judgmental eye, and perceive a completely different perspective of LDS posters through the other, more critical eye. I suppose if one has an ax to grind against LDS theology, and is not embarrassed to publicly admit suchthen it should not surprise anybody to find that person practicing a double standard. The curious part about this is that it happens on a forum called TruthTalk, where truth is presupposed to be the dominating factor, yet it seems to be suppressed when it comes to recognizing the Christian hypocrisy found here. Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, Please try to refrain from making sexual references, especially false accuastions. This is not the forum for that? I am sure there are many discussion forums about sex if that type of discussion interests you. Perry From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Perry's Sexually Suggestive Comments Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:07:35 -0800 *If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! * DAVEH: I wonder if Dean is going to rebuke you for making such sexually suggestive comments, Perry! If not, will we then have another example of hypocritical Christianity in TT? Charles Perry Locke wrote: Just be sure you remember your secret password and secret handshake so Joseph Smith will allow you entrance into heaven. *If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! * From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Signing off... Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:19:35 EST I guess I never got to know you, Christine--but hope to meet you in the great beyond--you may be required to testify at the Bar of God as to what you have seen and heard on TT-- Blainerb In a message dated 12/11/2005 11:24:52 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am signing off. I have gotten sucked into the world of TT, and I think it would be beneficial to my GPA to bid adeiu. Thanks for all the discussions. I have learned a great deal. May the Lord bless you and keep you all. It would be cool to meet you all in real life some day. But maybe not all in the same room. I wonder how that would turn out... :-) -Christine Miller -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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Dave, lets take this offline, okay? From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment ** Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:29:32 -0800 * Please try to /refrain /from making sexual references, especially /false accuastions/.* DAVEH: Let's see if I understand this, Perry. Recently I asked some questions that were no more sexually oriented than what you commonly make, Dean then claimed foul..and you banned further discussion based on the /perception /you and Dean had about what those comments might have implied. Now you have made a comment that can be perceived to be sexually charged.. *If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! * ..and you don't want to recognize the double standard? It is interesting that when you or other TTers make any kind of denigrating remarks toward LDS theology with sexual implications, nothing is considered off limits. When I point out this obvious double standard, I am cautioned by the moderator to /refrain /from bringing the discussion to the TT table under the guise of making/ false accusations/. It must be convenient to have a moderator who can see non-LDS posters through one non-judgmental eye, and perceive a completely different perspective of LDS posters through the other, more critical eye. I suppose if one has an ax to grind against LDS theology, and is not embarrassed to publicly admit suchthen it should not surprise anybody to find that person practicing a double standard. The curious part about this is that it happens on a forum called /TruthTalk/, where /truth /is presupposed to be the dominating factor, yet it seems to be suppressed when it comes to recognizing the Christian hypocrisy found here. Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, * Please try to /refrain /from making sexual references, especially /false accuastions/.* This is not the forum for that? I am sure there are many discussion forums about sex if that type of discussion interests you. Perry From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Perry's Sexually Suggestive Comments Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:07:35 -0800 **If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! ** DAVEH: I wonder if Dean is going to rebuke you for making such sexually suggestive comments, Perry! If not, will we then have another example of hypocritical Christianity in TT? Charles Perry Locke wrote: Just be sure you remember your secret password and secret handshake so Joseph Smith will allow you entrance into heaven. *If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! * From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Signing off... Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:19:35 EST I guess I never got to know you, Christine--but hope to meet you in the great beyond--you may be required to testify at the Bar of God as to what you have seen and heard on TT-- Blainerb In a message dated 12/11/2005 11:24:52 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am signing off. I have gotten sucked into the world of TT, and I think it would be beneficial to my GPA to bid adeiu. Thanks for all the discussions. I have learned a great deal. May the Lord bless you and keep you all. It would be cool to meet you all in real life some day. But maybe not all in the same room. I wonder how that would turn out... :-) -Christine Miller -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Dean has not made any Sexually suggestive comments as you have claimed in fact it is the LDS folk who have made comments and done some things thru private emails "under the table" Again LDS response is as IRRELEVANT as yeah but the Flag has stars Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please try to refrain from making sexual references, especially false accuastions.DAVEH: Let's see if I understand this, Perry. Recently I asked some questions that were no more sexually oriented than what you commonly make, Dean then claimed foul..and you banned further discussion based on the perception you and Dean had about what those comments might have implied. Now you have made a comment that can be perceived to be sexually charged..If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! ..and you don't want to recognize the double standard? It is interesting that when you or other TTers make any kind of denigrating remarks toward LDS theology with sexual implications, nothing is considered off limits. When I point out this obvious double standard, I am cautioned by the moderator to refrain from bringing the discussion to the TT table under the guise of making false accusations. It must be convenient to have a moderator who can see non-LDS posters through one non-judgmental eye, and perceive a completely different perspective of LDS posters through the other, more critical eye. I suppose if one has an ax to grind against LDS theology, and is not embarrassed to publicly admit suchthen it should not surprise anybody to find that person practicing a double standard. The curious part about this is that it happens on a forum called TruthTalk, where truth is presupposed to be the dominating factor, yet it seems to be suppressed when it comes to recognizing the Christian hypocrisy found here.Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, Please try to refrain from making sexual references, especially false accuastions. This is not the forum for that? I am sure there are many discussion forums about sex if that type of discussion interests you. Perry From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Perry's Sexually Suggestive Comments Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:07:35 -0800 *If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! * DAVEH: I wonder if Dean is going to rebuke you for making such sexually suggestive comments, Perry! If not, will we then have another example of hypocritical Christianity in TT? Charles Perry Locke wrote: Just be sure you remember your secret password and secret handshake so Joseph Smith will allow you entrance into heaven. *If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! * From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Signing off... Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:19:35 EST I guess I never got to know you, Christine--but hope to meet you in the great beyond--you may be required to testify at the Bar of God as to what you have seen and heard on TT-- Blainerb In a message dated 12/11/2005 11:24:52 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am signing off. I have gotten sucked into the world of TT, and I think it would be beneficial to my GPA to bid adeiu. Thanks for all the discussions. I have learned a great deal. May the Lord bless you and keep you all. It would be cool to meet you all in real life some day. But maybe not all in the same room. I wonder how that would turn out... :-) -Christine Miller -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping
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Kevin, we banned this topic, so if you want to discuss it further, do so offline, okay? From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator comment ** Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:47:32 -0800 (PST) Dean has not made any Sexually suggestive comments as you have claimed in fact it is the LDS folk who have made comments and done some things thru private emails under the table Again LDS response is as IRRELEVANT as yeah but the Flag has stars Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please try to refrain from making sexual references, especially false accuastions. DAVEH: Let's see if I understand this, Perry. Recently I asked some questions that were no more sexually oriented than what you commonly make, Dean then claimed foul..and you banned further discussion based on the perception you and Dean had about what those comments might have implied. Now you have made a comment that can be perceived to be sexually charged.. If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! ..and you don't want to recognize the double standard? It is interesting that when you or other TTers make any kind of denigrating remarks toward LDS theology with sexual implications, nothing is considered off limits. When I point out this obvious double standard, I am cautioned by the moderator to refrain from bringing the discussion to the TT table under the guise of making false accusations. It must be convenient to have a moderator who can see non-LDS posters through one non-judgmental eye, and perceive a completely different perspective of LDS posters through the other, more critical eye. I suppose if one has an ax to grind against LDS theology, and is not embarrassed to publicly admit suchthen it should not surprise anybody to find that person practicing a double standard. The curious part about this is that it happens on a forum called TruthTalk, where truth is presupposed to be the dominating factor, yet it seems to be suppressed when it comes to recognizing the Christian hypocrisy found here. Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, Please try to refrain from making sexual references, especially false accuastions. This is not the forum for that? I am sure there are many discussion forums about sex if that type of discussion interests you. Perry From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Perry's Sexually Suggestive Comments Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:07:35 -0800 *If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! * DAVEH: I wonder if Dean is going to rebuke you for making such sexually suggestive comments, Perry! If not, will we then have another example of hypocritical Christianity in TT? Charles Perry Locke wrote: Just be sure you remember your secret password and secret handshake so Joseph Smith will allow you entrance into heaven. *If lucky, you may become one of his many spirit wives! * From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Signing off... Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:19:35 EST I guess I never got to know you, Christine--but hope to meet you in the great beyond--you may be required to testify at the Bar of God as to what you have seen and heard on TT-- Blainerb In a message dated 12/11/2005 11:24:52 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am signing off. I have gotten sucked into the world of TT, and I think it would be beneficial to my GPA to bid adeiu. Thanks for all the discussions. I have learned a great deal. May the Lord bless you and keep you all. It would be cool to meet you all in real life some day. But maybe not all in the same room. I wonder how that would turn out... :-) -Christine Miller -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. - Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt
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fact DAVEH: ??? To what fact are you referring, Kevin? I remember Dean accidentally publicly posting an email about John (as I remember) that he apparently thought he sent to you under the table, but Blaine and I haven't done such. While I've copied many of the pertinent posts to Blaine during the period he was off-Forum, we don't exchange strategies with each other, and seldom even send off-forum comments to each other. So...why would you imply it is a fact that we do some things thru private emails "under the table, when the evidence instead suggests that it is you and Dean who use such tactics? Was it Dean who suggested that if a person is critical of another's nature, it might be that the accuser is hiding something? NawI don't think he said anything like that, as it might have made him feel guilty. ;-) Kevin Deegan wrote: infact it is the LDS folk who have made comments and done some things thru private emails "under the table" -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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Your allusion escapes me, but your illusion does not. Calling Judy, or anyone on this forum a muslim is an ad-hom reference, Lance. Terry's was too, but Calvin is not on this forum. Perry the Moderator From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: bush song Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:14:16 -0500 The following MAY be reade as 'offence given' BUT it is NOT. Judy would also make a good muslim, IMO. (If anyone, other than Judy obviously, gets this allusion then, please say so.). - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 02, 2005 07:48 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: bush song Calvin would have made a good muslim. Judy Taylor wrote: No he didn't, deceived ppl never know they are deceived. Calvin was drinking from a poisoned stream, his mentor was Augustine rather than Christ. I don't agree that he will receive a well done thou good and faithful servant because the servant is like his Master and Calvin was nothing at all like Christ. Christ never ever hunted ppl down, banished them, flogged them, or burned the first one at the stake for not agreeing with him. He preached the gospel and warned them and as His ambassadors we are to do the same. Mercy always triumphs over judgment. On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:08:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..and 500 years from now, John Calvin's increasingly interesting influence on global fellowship with the Christ who partook of our human sufferings as God will be as vibrant as it is now, ~500 years after he wrote the Institutes, direct evidence of his historic, public faith in Christ even as a politician he didn't hide it from anybody On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:42:52 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GWBs declining presidency, like he himself, is public property; so are his educational, tax, military records, records of his family career in Texas, his local and national campaign speeches, policy documents, bill signings, news conferences, faith-based initiatives, military operations. tax codes, state of the union addresses, radio commentaries, office transcripts, public appearance tapes, convention speeches, fund raising banquet circuit notes, off-handed comments, and what ever he's ever said or done and embodied in his closest associates On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:25:50 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || I am saying that you have no right to judge another man's servant because he is not in the public forum as a preacher/teacher. || judyt He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4) -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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I DID NOT CALL JUDY A MUSLIM. I MEANT THROUGH MY REMARKS to suggest that, given her remarks concerning Calvin, along with her general demeanour in multitudinous posts, that she (biblicist - similar to a Muslim's interpretation of the Koran, fundamentalist-every religious group's got 'em etc.) were she one she'd make a good one. Her judgmentalism, concerning many both on and off the list, is equalled only by that of Kevin Dean, Linda and, Lance's. It depends upon the ox being gored. From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 02, 2005 09:57 Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Your allusion escapes me, but your illusion does not. Calling Judy, or anyone on this forum a muslim is an ad-hom reference, Lance. Terry's was too, but Calvin is not on this forum. Perry the Moderator From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: bush song Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:14:16 -0500 The following MAY be reade as 'offence given' BUT it is NOT. Judy would also make a good muslim, IMO. (If anyone, other than Judy obviously, gets this allusion then, please say so.). - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 02, 2005 07:48 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: bush song Calvin would have made a good muslim. Judy Taylor wrote: No he didn't, deceived ppl never know they are deceived. Calvin was drinking from a poisoned stream, his mentor was Augustine rather than Christ. I don't agree that he will receive a well done thou good and faithful servant because the servant is like his Master and Calvin was nothing at all like Christ. Christ never ever hunted ppl down, banished them, flogged them, or burned the first one at the stake for not agreeing with him. He preached the gospel and warned them and as His ambassadors we are to do the same. Mercy always triumphs over judgment. On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:08:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..and 500 years from now, John Calvin's increasingly interesting influence on global fellowship with the Christ who partook of our human sufferings as God will be as vibrant as it is now, ~500 years after he wrote the Institutes, direct evidence of his historic, public faith in Christ even as a politician he didn't hide it from anybody On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:42:52 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GWBs declining presidency, like he himself, is public property; so are his educational, tax, military records, records of his family career in Texas, his local and national campaign speeches, policy documents, bill signings, news conferences, faith-based initiatives, military operations. tax codes, state of the union addresses, radio commentaries, office transcripts, public appearance tapes, convention speeches, fund raising banquet circuit notes, off-handed comments, and what ever he's ever said or done and embodied in his closest associates On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:25:50 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || I am saying that you have no right to judge another man's servant because he is not in the public forum as a preacher/teacher. || judyt He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4) -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Then why did you not say that? It seems that you implied many many things about Judy by saying she would make a good Muslim, when you really only felt there was one similarity. It would help communication greatly if you would say what you mean instead of couching hidden meanings in pseudo-intellectual word games. It would also save the moderator some time. Perry From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:14:38 -0500 I DID NOT CALL JUDY A MUSLIM. I MEANT THROUGH MY REMARKS to suggest that, given her remarks concerning Calvin, along with her general demeanour in multitudinous posts, that she (biblicist - similar to a Muslim's interpretation of the Koran, fundamentalist-every religious group's got 'em etc.) were she one she'd make a good one. Her judgmentalism, concerning many both on and off the list, is equalled only by that of Kevin Dean, Linda and, Lance's. It depends upon the ox being gored. From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 02, 2005 09:57 Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Your allusion escapes me, but your illusion does not. Calling Judy, or anyone on this forum a muslim is an ad-hom reference, Lance. Terry's was too, but Calvin is not on this forum. Perry the Moderator From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: bush song Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:14:16 -0500 The following MAY be reade as 'offence given' BUT it is NOT. Judy would also make a good muslim, IMO. (If anyone, other than Judy obviously, gets this allusion then, please say so.). - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 02, 2005 07:48 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: bush song Calvin would have made a good muslim. Judy Taylor wrote: No he didn't, deceived ppl never know they are deceived. Calvin was drinking from a poisoned stream, his mentor was Augustine rather than Christ. I don't agree that he will receive a well done thou good and faithful servant because the servant is like his Master and Calvin was nothing at all like Christ. Christ never ever hunted ppl down, banished them, flogged them, or burned the first one at the stake for not agreeing with him. He preached the gospel and warned them and as His ambassadors we are to do the same. Mercy always triumphs over judgment. On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:08:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..and 500 years from now, John Calvin's increasingly interesting influence on global fellowship with the Christ who partook of our human sufferings as God will be as vibrant as it is now, ~500 years after he wrote the Institutes, direct evidence of his historic, public faith in Christ even as a politician he didn't hide it from anybody On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:42:52 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GWBs declining presidency, like he himself, is public property; so are his educational, tax, military records, records of his family career in Texas, his local and national campaign speeches, policy documents, bill signings, news conferences, faith-based initiatives, military operations. tax codes, state of the union addresses, radio commentaries, office transcripts, public appearance tapes, convention speeches, fund raising banquet circuit notes, off-handed comments, and what ever he's ever said or done and embodied in his closest associates On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:25:50 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || I am saying that you have no right to judge another man's servant because he is not in the public forum as a preacher/teacher. || judyt He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4) -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know
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I might learn to WRITE for clarity. You, Perry, might learn to READ for meaning. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 02, 2005 14:53 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Then why did you not say that? It seems that you implied many many things about Judy by saying she would make a good Muslim, when you really only felt there was one similarity. It would help communication greatly if you would say what you mean instead of couching hidden meanings in pseudo-intellectual word games. It would also save the moderator some time. Perry From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 11:14:38 -0500 I DID NOT CALL JUDY A MUSLIM. I MEANT THROUGH MY REMARKS to suggest that, given her remarks concerning Calvin, along with her general demeanour in multitudinous posts, that she (biblicist - similar to a Muslim's interpretation of the Koran, fundamentalist-every religious group's got 'em etc.) were she one she'd make a good one. Her judgmentalism, concerning many both on and off the list, is equalled only by that of Kevin Dean, Linda and, Lance's. It depends upon the ox being gored. From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 02, 2005 09:57 Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Your allusion escapes me, but your illusion does not. Calling Judy, or anyone on this forum a muslim is an ad-hom reference, Lance. Terry's was too, but Calvin is not on this forum. Perry the Moderator From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: bush song Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:14:16 -0500 The following MAY be reade as 'offence given' BUT it is NOT. Judy would also make a good muslim, IMO. (If anyone, other than Judy obviously, gets this allusion then, please say so.). - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 02, 2005 07:48 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: bush song Calvin would have made a good muslim. Judy Taylor wrote: No he didn't, deceived ppl never know they are deceived. Calvin was drinking from a poisoned stream, his mentor was Augustine rather than Christ. I don't agree that he will receive a well done thou good and faithful servant because the servant is like his Master and Calvin was nothing at all like Christ. Christ never ever hunted ppl down, banished them, flogged them, or burned the first one at the stake for not agreeing with him. He preached the gospel and warned them and as His ambassadors we are to do the same. Mercy always triumphs over judgment. On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:08:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..and 500 years from now, John Calvin's increasingly interesting influence on global fellowship with the Christ who partook of our human sufferings as God will be as vibrant as it is now, ~500 years after he wrote the Institutes, direct evidence of his historic, public faith in Christ even as a politician he didn't hide it from anybody On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:42:52 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GWBs declining presidency, like he himself, is public property; so are his educational, tax, military records, records of his family career in Texas, his local and national campaign speeches, policy documents, bill signings, news conferences, faith-based initiatives, military operations. tax codes, state of the union addresses, radio commentaries, office transcripts, public appearance tapes, convention speeches, fund raising banquet circuit notes, off-handed comments, and what ever he's ever said or done and embodied in his closest associates On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:25:50 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || I am saying that you have no right to judge another man's servant because he is not in the public forum as a preacher/teacher. || judyt He that says I know Him and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4) -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list
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Perhaps Perry misunderstood your post because of his youth. I've heard it makes one thick-headed. ;-)Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I DID NOT CALL JUDY A MUSLIM. I MEANT THROUGH MY REMARKS to suggest that, given her remarks concerning Calvin, along with her general demeanour in multitudinous posts, that she (biblicist - similar to a Muslim's interpretation of the Koran, fundamentalist-every religious group's got 'em etc.) were she one she'd make a good one.Her judgmentalism, concerning many both on and off the list, is equalled only by that of Kevin Dean, Linda and, Lance's. It depends upon the ox being gored.From: "Charles Perry Locke" To: Sent: December 02, 2005 09:57Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Your allusion escapes me, but your illusion does not. Calling Judy, or anyone on this forum a muslim is an ad-hom reference, Lance. Terry's was too, but Calvin is not on this forum. Perry the ModeratorFrom: "Lance Muir" Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: bush songDate: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:14:16 -0500The following MAY be reade as 'offence given' BUT it is NOT. Judy would also make a good muslim, IMO. (If anyone, other than Judy obviously, gets this allusion then, please say so.). - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 02, 2005 07:48 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: bush song Calvin would have made a good muslim. Judy Taylor wrote: No he didn't, deceived ppl never know they are deceived. Calvin was drinking from a poisoned stream, his mentor was Augustine rather than Christ. I don't agree that he will receive a "well done thou good and faithful servant" because the servant is like his Master and Calvin was nothing at all like Christ. Christ never ever hunted ppl down, banished them, flogged them, or burned the first one at the stake for not agreeing with him. He preached the gospel and warned them and as His ambassadors we are to do the same. Mercy always triumphs over judgment. On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:08:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..and 500 years from now, John Calvin's increasingly interesting influence on global fellowship with the Christ who partook of our human sufferings as God will be as vibrant as it is now, ~500 years after he wrote the Institutes, direct evidence of his historic, public faith in Christ even as a politician he didn't hide it from anybody On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:42:52 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GWBs declining presidency, like he himself, is public property; so are his educational, tax, military records, records of his family career in Texas, his local and national campaign speeches, policy documents, bill signings, news conferences, faith-based initiatives, military operations. tax codes, state of the union addresses, radio commentaries, office transcripts, public appearance tapes, convention speeches, fund raising banquet circuit notes, off-handed comments, and what ever he's ever said or done and embodied in his closest associates On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:25:50 -0500 Judy Taylor writes: ||I am saying that you have no right to judge another man's servant because he is not in the public forum as a preacher/teacher. || judyt He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His Commandments is a liar (1 John 2:4) -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Try Yahoo! Personals
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Calling Judy, or anyone on this forum a muslim is an ad-hom reference I DID NOT CALL JUDY A MUSLIM. DAVEH: And it is a good thing you didn't, Lance! Had you done so, it would have been obvious that you do not understand the nature of an ad-hom attack as defined by TT rules. Let me reemphasize what our moderator has implied. FTR..It is not acceptable to refer to or even imply to another TTer as a Muslim. That is nearly the ultimate insult, almost as mean spirited as referring to another TTer as a Mormon sympathizer. Instead, perhaps you should use a politically correct TT substitute, such as referring to them as a snake in the grass. However, if that seems too low (pun intended) for your tastes, then it is apparently OK to refer to them as satan's messenger boy. FWIWThe use of both tactics has been shown by the moderator to be acceptable TT behavior when used to denigrate other TTers. Lance Muir wrote: I DID NOT CALL JUDY A MUSLIM. I MEANT THROUGH MY REMARKS to suggest that, given her remarks concerning Calvin, along with her general demeanour in multitudinous posts, that she (biblicist - similar to a Muslim's interpretation of the Koran, fundamentalist-every religious group's got 'em etc.) were she one she'd make a good one. Her judgmentalism, concerning many both on and off the list, is equalled only by that of Kevin Dean, Linda and, Lance's. It depends upon the ox being gored. From: "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 02, 2005 09:57 Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Your allusion escapes me, but your illusion does not. Calling Judy, or anyone on this forum a muslim is an ad-hom reference, Lance. Terry's was too, but Calvin is not on this forum. Perry the Moderator The following MAY be reade as 'offence given' BUT it is NOT. Judy would also make a good muslim, IMO. (If anyone, other than Judy obviously, gets this allusion then, please say so.). -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
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cd : Be it know that I will accept the apologizes from any who ask for misrepresenting me as a violent man solely on the fact that I stated that I would not allow my wife to be asked sexual questions and that I would be at the door of any person or persons that ask such questions-If apologies are not made then the guilty parties potently face a online liability charge law suit filed by me. Know that I do not view any person that make such claims on my character as a Christians and therefore not bound by the bible as how to respond to a brother in Christ. You have you chance to apologize for this limited amount of time. Carroll Dean Moore [Original Message] From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 11/27/2005 6:27:00 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator Comment ** From this point forward all posts relative to the ongoing discussion between Dave and Izzy are to be taken off-line. This includes threads that were spawned from that discussion. If you have further comments, write to me off-line. Perry the Moderator From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you. Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:07:42 -0800 *now my character is being questioned* DAVEH: Golly Dean.I don't recall anybody questioning your *character.* I think we all pretty well understand your *character* by the nature of the posts you've been making. Dean Moore wrote: cd: Terry such things should never be among our conversations as a part of the body-I will not accept such-nor allow someone to speak such to my wife. I am from the south here we have chivalry-such thing are not done-nor will we allow a women to be mistreated in our presence.If being this way is an excuse for my enemies to attack my character by portraying me as violent-then I count it as gain. DavH knew it was wrong to take the conversation deeper in the area of sex while speaking to someones wife but the lust of the flesh led him on-that is the truth of the matter-It would be great gain for his master to cause a Christian to dwell in such areas -that is what happened -same as he tried last year. He asks what would Jesus do? Well how would Jesus have responded to DavH's question?Would Jesus have asked such a question in the first place? Yes crap stinks when stirred but *now my character is being questioned* and I view you as one the one's questioning my character. I have even challenged to a grappling match-and now I am su ppose to bring my wife-I do not take my wife around people who allow women to be spoken to in such a manner as they may do the same to her-seems that no decent women should be around people like you or John.That means I wouldn't take my wife around you either-in my book wrong manners isn't good manners. - Original Message - *From:* Terry Clifton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org *Sent:* 11/27/2005 12:08:21 PM *Subject:* Re: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you. I promise, Dean, I will never knowingly justify the wicked. I also apologize for being harsh with you in the message below. I do ask that you reconsider your statement that I am defending Dave. He is well able to defend himself. I was simply voicing my opinion, telling you that I think both you and Perry are going ballistic over something that would have better been ignored. == cd: Well Terry if I were in the wrong I might just take your advice-But one shouldn't justify the wicked as both are guilty before God.Daves mind was in the gutters-similar to last time when he asked Izzy about her underclothing she has just finished shopping for-Do you think I make decisions on just one incident? This is the second and I also stopped the first last year. But you just keep on defending him-no matter what filth comes from his mouth and at the same time those who say it is wrong just continue attacking their character-I will forgive you but I will also bound this over for a higher court-your choice? - Original Message - *From:* Terry Clifton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org *Sent:* 11/27/2005 10:58:55 AM *Subject:* Re: [TruthTalk] Terry, let me put it in perspective for you. Consider this! You constantly stirrinf the pot and pretending to know how I think may be the biggest problem of all. I suggest you put your brain in gear before opening your mouth. Terry cd: It is not your point that is the problem-the problem is that Terry don't want to get
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:27:00 -0800 "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From this point forward all posts relative to the ongoing discussion between Dave and Izzy are to be taken off-line. This includes threads that were spawned from that discussion. || pls consider includg this ff.thread under the ban, above,sir--it's goin' too fer south fer me (in fact, i'm gonna get me a damn cat couch first thing in the morning boys--finally someone'sonto somethin' beautiful 'round here -- l,g:) On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:44:47 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yeah! I'm here, and I'm here for some talking - some talking about Truth that is; how did the focus get from Him to DaveH's morals and JD's wrestling mat at home? On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:18:25 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and here you are--ain't you gotta couch catshelter somewhere? On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:15:41 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For some reason he loves to get in the middle of these kinds of things
[TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?
Lance, While I am sure Dave is joking, there are some who do not take kindly to that type of joking. Dean is right in what Dave jokingly has proposed, but there are some things that should not be joked about, and Dean is right to take offense...Dave has gone over the line, Dean has been offended, and Dave owes an apology to all of us, especially Izzy, Dean and myself. I have addressed the concerned parties in a private email, too, but felt that I should post publicly before this gets way out of hand. Perry the Moderator. From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:08:09 -0500 I DO BELIEVE that I could get an Amen from almost everyone on TT when I say that Dave Hansen's meaning has been misunderstood by you, Dean. What you've don is called eisegesis) - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: November 25, 2005 09:01 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/25/2005 8:31:48 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? Ah and, we wonder over violence in society! Thanks for the illustration, Dean. cd; There are some things that one is just to fight over-My family was places under my care and protection-by God. It is my duty to do so even against those who have no decent icy or morals to speak to another man wife as a whore. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: November 25, 2005 08:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? cd: You are speaking to the wife of another man-try that with mine and I will be on your door step in a couple of days-go ahead and ask her she will be reading your next response! - Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/24/2005 11:30:35 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences DAVEH: Do you suppose CPL will know anything about them, Dean!?!?!?! ;-) Dean Moore wrote: cd: Where is our monitor? Charles? Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences Hardly. J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:16 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences You know I'll tell! DAVEH: Wow Izzy..I am rather surprised to hear you say that! But it is nice to know you are not so hypocritical that you would not be willing to post on TT such personal things as you expect me to share. Now that I think about it Izzy, I'm sure it would be much more interesting for TTers to hear about your sexual experiences than mine. Do tell! :-[ ShieldsFamily wrote: You know I'll tell! :-) DAVEH: Do you really think it is appropriate to discuss such personal things on a public forum that is known for its lack of taste at times? If you really want to know the answer to personal questions such as that, contact me off-Forum and I'll answer your question. ShieldsFamily wrote: So DO you??? I've read that you're supposed to leave them on then, too. DAVEH: That is not my understanding, nor would I think anybody else (LDS) understands it that way. Howeverit is not a topic I've discussed with others, nor have I ever heard it discussed in any LDS meetings I've attended or in other official discussions. There are numerous instances where it is not appropriate to wear them, viz., playing basketball, swimming, etc. ShieldsFamily wrote: How about during sex, DaveH? I've read that you're supposed to leave them on then, too. True or false? izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 1:31 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Another darn Questionere! The Mormons have to leave them on even while taking a bath-They slide them to one side and wash one half of their bodies at a time. DAVEH: Hmmm.I continue to
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Perry -- was it not LindaShields who asked about the sexual practices of the Mormons? I think this was in reference to the Mormon underwear thing. I did not read the thread that carefullybecause I thought it vulgar on herpart. And now we have Dean pretending that he is tough enough to kick someone's butt. But go afterDH if it makes you all feel better. Completedly disgusted.It is DH who tried to reel in this thread, NOT LINDA SHILEDS. By the way -- for the memory handicapped, I introduce this into evidence: You know I'll tell!DAVEH: Wow Izzy..I am rather surprised to hear you say that! But it is nice to know you are not so hypocritical that you would not be willing to post on TT such personal things as you expect me to share. Now that I think about it Izzy, I'm sure it would be much more interesting for TTers to hear about your sexual experiences than mine. Do tell! :-[ ShieldsFamily wrote: You know I'll tell! :-) DAVEH: Do you really think it is appropriate to discuss such personal things on a public forum that is known for its lack of taste at times? If you really want to know the answer to personal questions such as that, contact me off-Forum and I'll answer your question.ShieldsFamily wrote: So DO you??? I?ve read that you?re supposed to leave them on then, too.DAVEH: That is not my understanding, nor would I think anybody else (LDS) understands it that way. Howeverit is not a topic I've discussed with others, nor have I ever heard it discussed in any LDS meetings I've attended or in other official discussions. There are numerous instances where it is not appropriate to wear them, viz., playing basketball, swimming, etc.ShieldsFamily wrote: How about during sex, DaveH? I?ve read that you?re supposed to leave them on then, too. True or false? izzy Jd-Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:49:49 -0800Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? Lance, While I am sure Dave is joking, there are some who do not take kindly to that type of joking. Dean is right in what Dave "jokingly" has proposed, but there are some things that should not be joked about, and Dean is right to take offense...Dave has gone over the line, Dean has been offended, and Dave owes an apology to all of us, especially Izzy, Dean and myself.I have addressed the concerned parties in a private email, too, but felt that I should post publicly before this gets way out of hand.Perry the Moderator.From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexua l Experiences-Charles?Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:08:09 -0500I DO BELIEVE that I could get an Amen from almost everyone on TT when I say that Dave Hansen's meaning has been misunderstood by you, Dean. What you've don is called eisegesis) - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: November 25, 2005 09:01 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/25/2005 8:31:48 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? Ah and, we wonder over violence in society! Thanks for the il lustration, Dean. cd; There are some things that one is just to fight over-My family was places under my care and protection-by God. It is my duty to do so even against those who have no decent icy or morals to speak to another man wife as a whore. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: November 25, 2005 08:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? cd: You are speaking to the wife of another man-try that with mine and I will be on your door step in a couple of days-go ahead and ask her she will be reading your next response! - Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/24/2005 11:30:35 PM Sub ject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences DAVEH: Do you suppose CPL will know anything about them, Dean!?!?!?! ;-) Dean Moore wrote: cd: Where is our monitor? Charles? Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences Hardly. J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:16 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual E xperiences You know I'll tell! DAVEH: Wow Izzy..I am rather surprised to hear you say that! But it is nice to know you are not so hypocritical that you would not be willing to post on TT such personal things as you expect me to share. Now that I think about it Izzy, I'm sure it would be much more interesting for TTers to hear about your sexual experiences than mine. Do tell! :-[ ShieldsFa
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Just in case you care JD These six things the Lord hates, yes seven are an abomination to Him: 1. A proud look 2. A lying tongue 3. Hands that shed innocent blood 4. A heart that devises wicked plans 5. Feet that are swift in running to evil 6. A false witness who speaks lies 7. One who sows discord among brethren On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:16:26 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perry -- was it not LindaShields who asked about the sexual practices of the Mormons? I think this was in reference to the Mormon underwear thing. I did not read the thread that carefullybecause I thought it vulgar on herpart. And now we have Dean pretending that he is tough enough to kick someone's butt. But go afterDH if it makes you all feel better. Completedly disgusted.It is DH who tried to reel in this thread, NOT LINDA SHILEDS. By the way -- for the memory handicapped, I introduce this into evidence: You know I'll tell!DAVEH: Wow Izzy..I am rather surprised to hear you say that! But it is nice to know you are not so hypocritical that you would not be willing to post on TT such personal things as you expect me to share. Now that I think about it Izzy, I'm sure it would be much more interesting for TTers to hear about your sexual experiences than mine. Do tell! :-[ ShieldsFamily wrote: You know I'll tell! :-) DAVEH: Do you really think it is appropriate to discuss such personal things on a public forum that is known for its lack of taste at times? If you really want to know the answer to personal questions such as that, contact me off-Forum and I'll answer your question.ShieldsFamily wrote: So DO you??? I?ve read that you?re supposed to leave them on then, too.DAVEH: That is not my understanding, nor would I think anybody else (LDS) understands it that way. Howeverit is not a topic I've discussed with others, nor have I ever heard it discussed in any LDS meetings I've attended or in other official discussions. There are numerous instances where it is not appropriate to wear them, viz., playing basketball, swimming, etc.ShieldsFamily wrote: How about during sex, DaveH? I?ve read that you?re supposed to leave them on then, too. True or false? izzy Jd-Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:49:49 -0800Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? Lance, While I am sure Dave is joking, there are some who do not take kindly to that type of joking. Dean is right in what Dave "jokingly" has proposed, but there are some things that should not be joked about, and Dean is right to take offense...Dave has gone over the line, Dean has been offended, and Dave owes an apology to all of us, especially Izzy, Dean and myself.I have addressed the concerned parties in a private email, too, but felt that I should post publicly before this gets way out of hand.Perry the Moderator.From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexua l Experiences-Charles?Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:08:09 -0500I DO BELIEVE that I could get an Amen from almost everyone on TT when I say that Dave Hansen's meaning has been misunderstood by you, Dean. What you've don is called eisegesis) - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: November 25, 2005 09:01 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/25/2005 8:31:48 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? Ah and, we wonder over violence in society! Thanks for the il lustration, Dean. cd; There are some things that one is just to fight over-My family was places under my care and protection-by God. It is my duty to do so even against those who have no decent icy or morals to speak to another man wife as a whore. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: November 25, 2005 08:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? cd: You are speaking to the wife of another man-try that with mine and I will be on your door step in a couple of days-go ahead and ask her she will be reading your next response! - Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/24/2005 11:30:35 PM Sub ject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences DAVEH: Do you suppose CPL will know anyth
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John, Yes, and Izzy apologized for that. Has Dave? Dave could have answered a simple yes or no, but he chose to take it to the gutter by perpetuating the question, even to the point suggesting that I might know something of the topic. As for Dean, I totally understand his disgust and outrage at Dave's ultimate suggestion. As for flying to Portland to deal with it on Dave's doorstep, I find it hard to believe he would do that. I think it was mrely an expression of his contempt at Dave's comment. Perry the Moderator From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:16:26 -0500 Perry -- was it not Linda Shields who asked about the sexual practices of the Mormons? I think this was in reference to the Mormon underwear thing. I did not read the thread that carefully because I thought it vulgar on her part. And now we have Dean pretending that he is tough enough to kick someone's butt. But go after DH if it makes you all feel better. Completedly disgusted. It is DH who tried to reel in this thread, NOT LINDA SHILEDS. By the way -- for the memory handicapped, I introduce this into evidence: You know I'll tell! DAVEH: Wow Izzy..I am rather surprised to hear you say that! But it is nice to know you are not so hypocritical that you would not be willing to post on TT such personal things as you expect me to share. Now that I think about it Izzy, I'm sure it would be much more interesting for TTers to hear about your sexual experiences than mine. Do tell! :-[ ShieldsFamily wrote: You know I'll tell! :-) DAVEH: Do you really think it is appropriate to discuss such personal things on a public forum that is known for its lack of taste at times? If you really want to know the answer to personal questions such as that, contact me off-Forum and I'll answer your question. ShieldsFamily wrote: So DO you??? I?ve read that you?re supposed to leave them on then, too. DAVEH: That is not my understanding, nor would I think anybody else (LDS) understands it that way. Howeverit is not a topic I've discussed with others, nor have I ever heard it discussed in any LDS meetings I've attended or in other official discussions. There are numerous instances where it is not appropriate to wear them, viz., playing basketball, swimming, etc. ShieldsFamily wrote: How about during sex, DaveH? I?ve read that you?re supposed to leave them on then, too. True or false? izzy Jd -Original Message- From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:49:49 -0800 Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? Lance, While I am sure Dave is joking, there are some who do not take kindly to that type of joking. Dean is right in what Dave jokingly has proposed, but there are some things that should not be joked about, and Dean is right to take offense...Dave has gone over the line, Dean has been offended, and Dave owes an apology to all of us, especially Izzy, Dean and myself. I have addressed the concerned parties in a private email, too, but felt that I should post publicly before this gets way out of hand. Perry the Moderator. From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:08:09 -0500 I DO BELIEVE that I could get an Amen from almost everyone on TT when I say that Dave Hansen's meaning has been misunderstood by you, Dean. What you've don is called eisegesis) - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: November 25, 2005 09:01 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/25/2005 8:31:48 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? Ah and, we wonder over violence in society! Thanks for the illustration, Dean. cd; There are some things that one is just to fight over-My family was places under my care and protection-by God. It is my duty to do so even against those who have no decent icy or morals to speak to another man wife as a whore. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: November 25, 2005 08:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? cd: You are speaking to the wife of another man-try that with mine and I will be on your door step in a couple of days-go ahead and ask her she will be reading your next response! - Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/24/2005 11:30:35 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual
RE: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?
I vote to give DaveH a pass on this one. I've beaten up on him enough, even for a mormon. :-) iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 10:45 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? John, Yes, and Izzy apologized for that. Has Dave? Dave could have answered a simple yes or no, but he chose to take it to the gutter by perpetuating the question, even to the point suggesting that I might know something of the topic. As for Dean, I totally understand his disgust and outrage at Dave's ultimate suggestion. As for flying to Portland to deal with it on Dave's doorstep, I find it hard to believe he would do that. I think it was mrely an expression of his contempt at Dave's comment. Perry the Moderator From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:16:26 -0500 Perry -- was it not Linda Shields who asked about the sexual practices of the Mormons? I think this was in reference to the Mormon underwear thing. I did not read the thread that carefully because I thought it vulgar on her part. And now we have Dean pretending that he is tough enough to kick someone's butt. But go after DH if it makes you all feel better. Completedly disgusted. It is DH who tried to reel in this thread, NOT LINDA SHILEDS. By the way -- for the memory handicapped, I introduce this into evidence: You know I'll tell! DAVEH: Wow Izzy..I am rather surprised to hear you say that! But it is nice to know you are not so hypocritical that you would not be willing to post on TT such personal things as you expect me to share. Now that I think about it Izzy, I'm sure it would be much more interesting for TTers to hear about your sexual experiences than mine. Do tell! :-[ ShieldsFamily wrote: You know I'll tell! :-) DAVEH: Do you really think it is appropriate to discuss such personal things on a public forum that is known for its lack of taste at times? If you really want to know the answer to personal questions such as that, contact me off-Forum and I'll answer your question. ShieldsFamily wrote: So DO you??? I?ve read that you?re supposed to leave them on then, too. DAVEH: That is not my understanding, nor would I think anybody else (LDS) understands it that way. Howeverit is not a topic I've discussed with others, nor have I ever heard it discussed in any LDS meetings I've attended or in other official discussions. There are numerous instances where it is not appropriate to wear them, viz., playing basketball, swimming, etc. ShieldsFamily wrote: How about during sex, DaveH? I?ve read that you?re supposed to leave them on then, too. True or false? izzy Jd -Original Message- From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:49:49 -0800 Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? Lance, While I am sure Dave is joking, there are some who do not take kindly to that type of joking. Dean is right in what Dave jokingly has proposed, but there are some things that should not be joked about, and Dean is right to take offense...Dave has gone over the line, Dean has been offended, and Dave owes an apology to all of us, especially Izzy, Dean and myself. I have addressed the concerned parties in a private email, too, but felt that I should post publicly before this gets way out of hand. Perry the Moderator. From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:08:09 -0500 I DO BELIEVE that I could get an Amen from almost everyone on TT when I say that Dave Hansen's meaning has been misunderstood by you, Dean. What you've don is called eisegesis) - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: November 25, 2005 09:01 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/25/2005 8:31:48 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles? Ah and, we wonder over violence in society! Thanks for the illustration, Dean. cd; There are some things that one is just to fight over-My family was places under my care and protection-by God. It is my duty to do so even against those who have no decent icy or morals to speak to another man wife as a whore. - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: November 25, 2005 08:21 Subject
Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator Comment** Izzy's Sexual Experiences-Charles?
By the way, hats off to Linda for her gracious apology. John
Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment** I need help watching.
Absolutely !! JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:00:48 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment** I need help watching. Surely you are jesting, JD. iz But I am disappointed that you put your family and wife ahead of those of us who accept your leadership and advice. I will deal wth it, somehow.but it complicates things a bit. JD
RE: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment** I need help watching.
Surely you are jesting, JD. iz But I am disappointed that you put your family and wife ahead of those of us who accept your leadership and advice. I will deal wth it, somehow.but it complicates things a bit. JD
[TruthTalk] **Moderator comment** I need help watching.
Normally, I try to read every TT post, but when TT'rs post as furiously as you have been for the last day or so, my real job (the one for which I get paid) and other obligations like parenting, husbanding, get in the way of my moderating. So, to help me out, if you recognize an ad-hominem (even if not directed at you personally) or other post that you think I should see, that I may not have gotten to (and may not even get to if the posts become too many for me to catch up!) please feel free to send it to me in an email marked **private**. Thanks, Perry the Moderator -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment** I need help watching.
Actually, everyone has been quite good, in my opinion. No actual crossing of the line in view of the fact that expressions of eternal judgments do not qualify as ad hom. All is good. But I am disappointed that you put your family and wife ahead of those of us who accept your leadership and advice. I will deal wth it, somehow.but it complicates things a bit. JD-Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:19:24 -0700Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment** I need help watching. Normally, I try to read every TT post, but when TT'rs post as furiously as you have been for the last day or so, my real job (the one for which I get paid) and other obligations like parenting, husbanding, get in the way of my moderating. So, to help me out, if you recognize an ad-hominem (even if not directed at you personally) or other post that you think I should see, that I may not have gotten to (and may not even get to if the posts become too many for me to catch up!) please feel free to send it to me in an email marked "**private**.Thanks,Perry the Moderator--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
[TruthTalk] **moderator comment**
TT members, At times I have psoted negative ad-hominem comments just like others on the list have from time to time. Speaking for myself on this, anytime I have posted such negative comments, whether slyly, or blatantly, I have ALWAYS known exactly in what spirit I have posted these comments. Since I ALWAYS know exactly the spirit in which I have posted these comments, I have been convicted and at times have felt that I should apologize. But, my pride has often prevented me from doing so on my own, except when others point it out...then accountability issues kick in. Somebody else noticed my ad-hom! (This is one justification for a moderator on TT...accountability.) Because of my own experience, I believe that EVERYONE who posts such statements on TT immediately knows, even before they click Send, exactly the spirit in which they are posting the comments. In fact, I have typed MANY a comment, then gone back and erased it BEFORE I clicked Send, knowing my own intention, and that it was unnecessary. I am sure many of us have done this. This is conviction followed by action PRIOR to clicking Send. I would like to challenge EVERYONE posting on TT to listen to the Holy Spirit. When you know that your intent is not the best, when you know that you are intentionally slinging mud, even a few tiny drops of mud, ERASE IT before you send it. It will be between you and the Holy Spirit. However, if you post it ANYWAY (which is how they get out there, of course), and you are convicted over the post, I challenge you to post an apology immediately. And if you are not convicted...or you are but your pride stands in the way of apologizing...well...we'll all know it. BTW, if we ALL did this, setting our pride aside, I think we each would become much more conscious of the Holy Spirit speaking to us, aware our own motives, and eventually TT would start to grow into a much more mature community. Maybe someday we will not even need a moderator! Perry the Moderator -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK
c'mon Marlin, y'all can be a little more forthcoming than that. - Original Message - From: Marlin halverson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 21, 2005 22:54 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK Try majesty twelve http://seekers.100megs6.com/FYI-2.htm - Original Message - From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK So then, Marlin.where do you 'shake out' on this? - Original Message - From: Marlin halverson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 21, 2005 07:55 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK http://www.911wasalie.com/phpwebsite/ - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK IFF one believes there was any such conspiracy re: 9/11, one needs to be immediately committed to the looney bin. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 1:52 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK Belief/trust...trust/belief...These are so interlocked. The other night I listened to a panel discussion on 911 (WTC). IFF one is able to demonstrate 'conspiracy' (complicity) on the part of government operatives or agencies then, by extension JFK has significance for discussion. For starters have a look at the 'new' extended edition of Oliver Stone's JFK (2001?).I'm in, John. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 19, 2005 20:48 Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK John, unless you have discovered a videotaped confession to show us, I personally am not that interested. However, the TT Discussions page states: If you have an interest in the Bible, religion, philosophy, or science, we encourage you to join the list and engage in the discussions. Does this topic fall into one of those general categories? If so, give it a shot. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would any in he forum care for a brief dicsussion of the issues that are in play with the JFK assassination ... JD -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you
Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK
http://www.911wasalie.com/phpwebsite/ - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK IFF one believes there was any such conspiracy re: 9/11, one needs to be immediately committed to the looney bin. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 1:52 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK Belief/trust...trust/belief...These are so interlocked. The other night I listened to a panel discussion on 911 (WTC). IFF one is able to demonstrate 'conspiracy' (complicity) on the part of government operatives or agencies then, by extension JFK has significance for discussion. For starters have a look at the 'new' extended edition of Oliver Stone's JFK (2001?).I'm in, John. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 19, 2005 20:48 Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK John, unless you have discovered a videotaped confession to show us, I personally am not that interested. However, the TT Discussions page states: If you have an interest in the Bible, religion, philosophy, or science, we encourage you to join the list and engage in the discussions. Does this topic fall into one of those general categories? If so, give it a shot. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would any in he forum care for a brief dicsussion of the issues that are in play with the JFK assassination ... JD -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK
So then, Marlin.where do you 'shake out' on this? - Original Message - From: Marlin halverson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 21, 2005 07:55 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK http://www.911wasalie.com/phpwebsite/ - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK IFF one believes there was any such conspiracy re: 9/11, one needs to be immediately committed to the looney bin. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 1:52 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK Belief/trust...trust/belief...These are so interlocked. The other night I listened to a panel discussion on 911 (WTC). IFF one is able to demonstrate 'conspiracy' (complicity) on the part of government operatives or agencies then, by extension JFK has significance for discussion. For starters have a look at the 'new' extended edition of Oliver Stone's JFK (2001?).I'm in, John. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 19, 2005 20:48 Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK John, unless you have discovered a videotaped confession to show us, I personally am not that interested. However, the TT Discussions page states: If you have an interest in the Bible, religion, philosophy, or science, we encourage you to join the list and engage in the discussions. Does this topic fall into one of those general categories? If so, give it a shot. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would any in he forum care for a brief dicsussion of the issues that are in play with the JFK assassination ... JD -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK
Try majesty twelve http://seekers.100megs6.com/FYI-2.htm - Original Message - From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK So then, Marlin.where do you 'shake out' on this? - Original Message - From: Marlin halverson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 21, 2005 07:55 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK http://www.911wasalie.com/phpwebsite/ - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK IFF one believes there was any such conspiracy re: 9/11, one needs to be immediately committed to the looney bin. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 1:52 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK Belief/trust...trust/belief...These are so interlocked. The other night I listened to a panel discussion on 911 (WTC). IFF one is able to demonstrate 'conspiracy' (complicity) on the part of government operatives or agencies then, by extension JFK has significance for discussion. For starters have a look at the 'new' extended edition of Oliver Stone's JFK (2001?).I'm in, John. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 19, 2005 20:48 Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK John, unless you have discovered a videotaped confession to show us, I personally am not that interested. However, the TT Discussions page states: If you have an interest in the Bible, religion, philosophy, or science, we encourage you to join the list and engage in the discussions. Does this topic fall into one of those general categories? If so, give it a shot. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would any in he forum care for a brief dicsussion of the issues that are in play with the JFK assassination ... JD -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK
Belief/trust...trust/belief...These are so interlocked. The other night I listened to a panel discussion on 911 (WTC). IFF one is able to demonstrate 'conspiracy' (complicity) on the part of government operatives or agencies then, by extension JFK has significance for discussion. For starters have a look at the 'new' extended edition of Oliver Stone's JFK (2001?).I'm in, John. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 19, 2005 20:48 Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK John, unless you have discovered a videotaped confession to show us, I personally am not that interested. However, the TT Discussions page states: If you have an interest in the Bible, religion, philosophy, or science, we encourage you to join the list and engage in the discussions. Does this topic fall into one of those general categories? If so, give it a shot. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would any in he forum care for a brief dicsussion of the issues that are in play with the JFK assassination ... JD -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK
IFF one believes there was any such conspiracy re: 9/11, one needs to be immediately committed to the looney bin. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 1:52 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK Belief/trust...trust/belief...These are so interlocked. The other night I listened to a panel discussion on 911 (WTC). IFF one is able to demonstrate 'conspiracy' (complicity) on the part of government operatives or agencies then, by extension JFK has significance for discussion. For starters have a look at the 'new' extended edition of Oliver Stone's JFK (2001?).I'm in, John. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 19, 2005 20:48 Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK John, unless you have discovered a videotaped confession to show us, I personally am not that interested. However, the TT Discussions page states: If you have an interest in the Bible, religion, philosophy, or science, we encourage you to join the list and engage in the discussions. Does this topic fall into one of those general categories? If so, give it a shot. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would any in he forum care for a brief dicsussion of the issues that are in play with the JFK assassination ... JD -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
[TruthTalk] ** moderator comment **
TT members, Over the last 9 months or so, maybe more, TruthTalk has gotten to be an uglier and uglier place to hang out and talk about truth. This is primarily due to the negative tones, insults, accusations, and general bad behavior that has grown until I find it unbearabable, as do others who have commented to me privately about this. I know it well...I have done my share of contributing to this spiral. Let me say that not everyone on this group has been ugly. Some have always conducted themselves with gentility, while others have thrown in a barb or two when they have gotten the chance, while yet others have truly brought the group down with continual negativity. I know, because from time to time I have played into all three of these categories. It is true that we do not all share the same theology. I think everyone on the group considers themself a Christian. We may not all consider each other Christians, but I do not think that gives of us license to be rude, to ridicule, to mock, to be absolutely negative a majority of the time. As much as I disagree theologically with some of the members of this list, I know that if I had an opportunity to sit before them in a group of, say, my own peers at church, and maybe even my pastor, we would have a very civil conversation. We could still disagree, and discuss our disagreements, but there is no way I would treat them the way I have treated some on TT. No way. Can each of you imagine the same situation? Would you treat your TT co-members the same in person in a group of your peers as you do on TT? I know I sure wouldn't, and I hope each of you would not, either. So I would like to call on ALL TT members to improve your conduct on TT. Speak as though we are sitting together in one of our homes. In no way am I asking ANY TT member to compromise their beliefs or water down their messages. I am only asking everyone to begin to conduct business on TT with civility. I plan to change my moderation a bit. If I see that someone is being rude or hurtful, or negaitve beyond reason, I will send a private email pointing it out. If you receive such a private email, I ask that you only take the time to examine yourself and your comments with respect to what I point out, and to govern yourself. I am not looking for rebuttal, or discussion, or conversation. Sometimes I may be right-on, sometimes I may be way off. Just take it in stride and do the best you can. If I see that a conversation or discussion is digressing, and beginning to pull down the group, I will write participants in the conversation PUBLICLY and ask that the conversation be taken out of TT and into a private context. That will be final decision on my part, and continuing the conversation in the forum after being asked to take it offline may result in the poster's right to access TT being suspended until we have had time to straighten things out. I am sure we can all make TT a much better place for all of us to have meaningful discussions and build up the body of Christ rather than tear it down. May the grace of God be with you, Perry the Modertor -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] ** moderator comment **
Charles Perry Locke wrote: TT members, Over the last 9 months or so, maybe more, TruthTalk has gotten to be an uglier and uglier place to hang out and talk about truth. This is primarily due to the negative tones, insults, accusations, and general bad behavior that has grown until I find it unbearabable, as do others who have commented to me privately about this. I know it well...I have done my share of contributing to this spiral. Let me say that not everyone on this group has been ugly. Some have always conducted themselves with gentility, while others have thrown in a barb or two when they have gotten the chance, while yet others have truly brought the group down with continual negativity. I know, because from time to time I have played into all three of these categories. It is true that we do not all share the same theology. I think everyone on the group considers themself a Christian. We may not all consider each other Christians, but I do not think that gives of us license to be rude, to ridicule, to mock, to be absolutely negative a majority of the time. As much as I disagree theologically with some of the members of this list, I know that if I had an opportunity to sit before them in a group of, say, my own peers at church, and maybe even my pastor, we would have a very civil conversation. We could still disagree, and discuss our disagreements, but there is no way I would treat them the way I have treated some on TT. No way. Can each of you imagine the same situation? Would you treat your TT co-members the same in person in a group of your peers as you do on TT? I know I sure wouldn't, and I hope each of you would not, either. So I would like to call on ALL TT members to improve your conduct on TT. Speak as though we are sitting together in one of our homes. In no way am I asking ANY TT member to compromise their beliefs or water down their messages. I am only asking everyone to begin to conduct business on TT with civility. I plan to change my moderation a bit. If I see that someone is being rude or hurtful, or negaitve beyond reason, I will send a private email pointing it out. If you receive such a private email, I ask that you only take the time to examine yourself and your comments with respect to what I point out, and to govern yourself. I am not looking for rebuttal, or discussion, or conversation. Sometimes I may be right-on, sometimes I may be way off. Just take it in stride and do the best you can. If I see that a conversation or discussion is digressing, and beginning to pull down the group, I will write participants in the conversation PUBLICLY and ask that the conversation be taken out of TT and into a private context. That will be final decision on my part, and continuing the conversation in the forum after being asked to take it offline may result in the poster's right to access TT being suspended until we have had time to straighten things out. I am sure we can all make TT a much better place for all of us to have meaningful discussions and build up the body of Christ rather than tear it down. May the grace of God be with you, Perry the Modertor Understood. No matter how far apart we are, love 'em anyway. If they were good enough for Jesus to die for, they are good enough for me to love. Thanks Perry. ( now you cannot say that you have a thankless job ) Terry -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] ** moderator comment **
Sounds like a plan, Perry! I only disagree on one point: you have always been a gentleman in my book. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 7:50 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] ** moderator comment ** TT members, Over the last 9 months or so, maybe more, TruthTalk has gotten to be an uglier and uglier place to hang out and talk about truth. This is primarily due to the negative tones, insults, accusations, and general bad behavior that has grown until I find it unbearabable, as do others who have commented to me privately about this. I know it well...I have done my share of contributing to this spiral. Let me say that not everyone on this group has been ugly. Some have always conducted themselves with gentility, while others have thrown in a barb or two when they have gotten the chance, while yet others have truly brought the group down with continual negativity. I know, because from time to time I have played into all three of these categories. It is true that we do not all share the same theology. I think everyone on the group considers themself a Christian. We may not all consider each other Christians, but I do not think that gives of us license to be rude, to ridicule, to mock, to be absolutely negative a majority of the time. As much as I disagree theologically with some of the members of this list, I know that if I had an opportunity to sit before them in a group of, say, my own peers at church, and maybe even my pastor, we would have a very civil conversation. We could still disagree, and discuss our disagreements, but there is no way I would treat them the way I have treated some on TT. No way. Can each of you imagine the same situation? Would you treat your TT co-members the same in person in a group of your peers as you do on TT? I know I sure wouldn't, and I hope each of you would not, either. So I would like to call on ALL TT members to improve your conduct on TT. Speak as though we are sitting together in one of our homes. In no way am I asking ANY TT member to compromise their beliefs or water down their messages. I am only asking everyone to begin to conduct business on TT with civility. I plan to change my moderation a bit. If I see that someone is being rude or hurtful, or negaitve beyond reason, I will send a private email pointing it out. If you receive such a private email, I ask that you only take the time to examine yourself and your comments with respect to what I point out, and to govern yourself. I am not looking for rebuttal, or discussion, or conversation. Sometimes I may be right-on, sometimes I may be way off. Just take it in stride and do the best you can. If I see that a conversation or discussion is digressing, and beginning to pull down the group, I will write participants in the conversation PUBLICLY and ask that the conversation be taken out of TT and into a private context. That will be final decision on my part, and continuing the conversation in the forum after being asked to take it offline may result in the poster's right to access TT being suspended until we have had time to straighten things out. I am sure we can all make TT a much better place for all of us to have meaningful discussions and build up the body of Christ rather than tear it down. May the grace of God be with you, Perry the Modertor -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] ** moderator comment **
Ditto for JD-Original Message-From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:50:26 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** moderator comment ** Charles Perry Locke wrote: TT members, Over the last 9 months or so, maybe more, TruthTalk has gotten to be an uglier and uglier place to hang out and talk about truth. This is primarily due to the negative tones, insults, accusations, and general bad behavior that has grown until I find it unbearabable, as do others who have commented to me privately about this. I know it well...I have done my share of contributing to this spiral. Let me say that not everyone on this group has been ugly. Some have always conducted themselves with gentility, while others have thrown in a barb or two when they have gotten the chance, while yet others have truly brought the group down with continual negativity. I know, because from time to time I have played into all three of these categories. It is true that we do not all share the same theology. I think everyone on the group considers themself a Christian. We may not all consider each other Christians, but I do not think that gives of us license to be rude, to ridicule, to mock, to be absolutely negative a majority of the time. As much as I disagree theologically with some of the members of this list, I know that if I had an opportunity to sit before them in a group of, say, my own peers at church, and maybe even my pastor, we would have a very civil conversation. We could still disagree, and discuss our disagreements, but there is no way I would treat them the way I have treated some on TT. No way. Can each of you imagine the same situation? Would you treat your TT co-members the same in person in a group of your peers as you do on TT? I know I sure wouldn't, and I hope each of you would not, either. So I would like to call on ALL TT members to improve your conduct on TT . Speak as though we are sitting together in one of our homes. In no way am I asking ANY TT member to compromise their beliefs or water down their messages. I am only asking everyone to begin to conduct business on TT with civility. I plan to change my moderation a bit. If I see that someone is being rude or hurtful, or negaitve beyond reason, I will send a private email pointing it out. If you receive such a private email, I ask that you only take the time to examine yourself and your comments with respect to what I point out, and to govern yourself. I am not looking for rebuttal, or discussion, or conversation. Sometimes I may be right-on, sometimes I may be way off. Just take it in stride and do the best you can. If I see that a conversation or discussion is digressing, and beginning to pull down the group, I will write participants in the conversation PUBLICLY and ask that the conversation be taken out of TT and into a private context. That will be final decision on my part, and continuing the conversation in the forum after being asked to take it offline may result in the poster's right to access TT being suspended until we have had time to straighten things out. I am sure we can all make TT a much better place for all of us to have meaningful discussions and build up the body of Christ rather than tear it down. May the grace of God be with you, Perry the ModertorUnderstood. No matter how far apart we are, love 'em anyway. If they were good enough for Jesus to die for, they are good enough for me to love.Thanks Perry. ( now you cannot say that you have a thankless job ) Terry--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ough t to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
[TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK
John, unless you have discovered a videotaped confession to show us, I personally am not that interested. However, the TT Discussions page states: If you have an interest in the Bible, religion, philosophy, or science, we encourage you to join the list and engage in the discussions. Does this topic fall into one of those general categories? If so, give it a shot. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would any in he forum care for a brief dicsussion of the issues that are in play with the JFK assassination ... JD -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK
We have spent weeks on this forum discussing politics (treatment of the American Indians etc) without a n expressed concern from the moderator. What would be the difference? Asking -- not arguing. It is my opinion that the Kennedy assassination presents the internal workings of this government as including something other than a righteous population. My views and argumentation are not typical and make no pretense at "solving" the case. -Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke cpl2602@hotmail.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:48:46 -0700Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK John, unless you have discovered a videotaped confession to show us, I personally am not that interested. However, the TT "Discussions" page states: " If you have an interest in the Bible, religion, philosophy, or science, we encourage you to join the list and engage in the discussions." Does this topic fall into one of those general categories? If so, give it a shot.PerryFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Would any in he forum care for a brief dicsussion of the issues that are in play with the JFK assassination ...JD--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK
John, Most of the topics I felt had a moral basis to them that stems from our Christian beliefs. Plus, when asked, I answered. Besides, the other topics were mostly out-of-the-bag before I even got around to evaluating some of them. But, it is not a big deal either way...start it up if you like...we'll let the TT popluation decide if it flies. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:07:53 -0400 We have spent weeks on this forum discussing politics (treatment of the American Indians etc) without a n expressed concern from the moderator. What would be the difference? Asking -- not arguing. It is my opinion that the Kennedy assassination presents the internal workings of this government as including something other than a righteous population.My views and argumentation are not typical and make no pretense at solving the case. -Original Message- From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:48:46 -0700 Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK John, unless you have discovered a videotaped confession to show us, I personally am not that interested. However, the TT Discussions page states: If you have an interest in the Bible, religion, philosophy, or science, we encourage you to join the list and engage in the discussions. Does this topic fall into one of those general categories? If so, give it a shot. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would any in he forum care for a brief dicsussion of the issues that are in play with the JFK assassination ... JD -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK
Thanks. Perhaps in a few days. JD-Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:48:36 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK John, Most of the topics I felt had a moral basis to them that stems from our Christian beliefs. Plus, when asked, I answered. Besides, the other topics were mostly out-of-the-bag before I even got around to evaluating some of them. But, it is not a big deal either way...start it up if you like...we'll let the TT popluation decide if it flies.PerryFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFKDate: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:07:53 -0400We have spent weeks on this forum discussing politics (treatment of the American Indians etc) without a n expressed concern from the moderator. What would be the difference? Asking -- not arguing.It is my opinion that the Kennedy assassination presents the internal workings of this government as including something other than a righteous population. My views and argumentation are not typical and make no pretense at "solving" the case.-Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:48:46 -0700Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFKJohn, unless you have discovered a videotaped confession to show us, I personally am not that interested. However, the TT "Discussions" page states: " If you have an interest in the Bible, religion, philosophy, or science , we encourage you to join the list and engage in the discussions." Does this topic fall into one of those general categories? If so, give it a shot.Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would any in he forum care for a brief dicsussion of the issues that are in play with the JFK assassination ... JD--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK
I personally am not interested. I left for the evening and came home to 50 new TT posts as it is already. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 7:08 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK We have spent weeks on this forum discussing politics (treatment of the American Indians etc) without a n expressed concern from the moderator. What would be the difference? Asking -- not arguing. It is my opinion that the Kennedy assassination presents the internal workings of this government as including something other than a righteous population. My views and argumentation are not typical and make no pretense at "solving" the case. -Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke cpl2602@hotmail.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:48:46 -0700Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK John, unless you have discovered a videotaped confession to show us, I personally am not that interested. However, the TT "Discussions" page states: " If you have an interest in the Bible, religion, philosophy, or science, we encourage you to join the list and engage in the discussions." Does this topic fall into one of those general categories? If so, give it a shot.PerryFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Would any in he forum care for a brief dicsussion of the issues that are in play with the JFK assassination ...JD--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] Moderator comment
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] tough being a Christian Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 07:12:48 -0500 Judy wrote to Terry: I think you should search your own heart and be honest with yourself; what is it I have touched that is dear to you and that makes you so frustrated/angry? Could it be an idol? I suppose I should leave this for the moderator to address, but being a past moderator, I guess I cannot help but comment. :-) David, et al, As moderator, I saw nothing 'ad hominem about Judy's statement. Given that we sometimes do have idols, and those who have idols are often very sensitive about them, it could be that Judy is performing an act of love by encouraging Terry to examine this. (And, she has done it much more gently than many of us would have!) She may be right, she may be wrong, Terry will have to honestly determine that. I feel he is a very humble man and may examine himself because of her statements. If, on the other hand, Judy made this statement to Terry because of her own pride, then the reverse would be true. Then she would have to examine herself to see what might have frustrated her in Terry's comments. That is for her to decide. Perry _ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
