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Better totake your own counsel first Bill
before you try to foist it on others. Bye
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You may need to take another trip Bill because the
understanding you have come back with
is that of the Church Fathers who by their words and
actions (fruit) negated their profession.
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I've been there and back, Judy;
Not the God you appear to subscribe to.
I serve the One who says what he means and means what
he says
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I've been there and back, Judy; that's how I got my
understanding.
I'll tell you, though, you ought to go.
cd: Well Said Judy.
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On Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:02:57 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECT
myth (doctrinal
donkey drivel)
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Saul..after being knocked from his
donkey ..
t for that
standing-under union, his humanity, along with all humanity, would have
fallen.
Bill
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JD what is wrong with just allowing the scripture
to say what it says rather than striving to make it conform to some
doctrine built by men?
to a bias for the KJ and sought to give it some support.
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But as Adam Clark shows in the below "the Fullness"
Judy, here is the perfect example of what Lance has been telling you these past couple of days. Look at this exchanget:
Why are you saying this? The DEFINITION is not found in that text and I check the KJ just to be sure that we were not arguing from different versions. It ain't there !!
It
Judy, do you know what it means when a word is italicized in the KJ?
I'm not into quibbling over Gk words JD;
Yeh, we wouldn't want to accuse you of quibbling. You know full well that the italicized words in the KJ (aren't you one of them there KJ onlyist peoples?) means THAT THE WORD IS
[TruthTalk] Christ as the incarnate God
But as Adam Clark shows in the below "the Fullness"mentioned are Godly attributes as Christ is one with God.
Hi, Dean. You seem to beadding a correction of sorts to what I said. I certainly believe Christ to be the Son of God and , thus
You must not be understanding JD; I said in my last
post on this matter that for me meaning
is a whole lot more important than quibbling over Greek
words and the meaning of Col 1:19
is reinterated in 2 Cor 5:19
Where you will notice that it does
say it was God (the Holy Spirit) in Christ
JD, this is not worth any more bandwidth - you
are making a mountain out of a molehill ... a little teeny
molehill
at that. Matthew was not being original
here. So what if he defines the meaning of the name
Emmanuel?
A Hebrew reading Hebrew could have done it also
during the time of Isaiah
: [TruthTalk] Christ as the
incarnate God
You must not be understanding JD; I said in my last
post on this matter that for me meaning
is a whole lot more important than quibbling over
Greek words and the meaning of Col 1:19
is reinterated in 2 Cor 5:19
Where you will notice
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Subject: Re: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ as the incarnate God(to Dean)
Well, I am kind of liking the new Dean.
Anyway -- maybe the difference is found in our function
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2 Cor 5.19 ... that God was in Christ reconciling the world
...
In the one person of Christ God was reconciling the world.
Here we see what the fathers called the hypostatic union:God and
humanity together, fully represented and fully
lk] Christ as
the incarnate God(to Dean)
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Well, I am kind
The followig from the internet explains that
this is a doctrine ppl are incapable of fully understanding - that being the
case IMO it is just
mouthing someone elses words. God gives
understandig
The doctrine of the hypostatic union is an
attempt to explain how Jesus could be both God
PS: To accept this doctrine one would have to deny the
fall because the fact is that all are born by procreation into
the first Adam who is under a curse. Jesus is the
second Adam who is begotten rather than procreated; he had no
sin nature, was under no curse. He was holy at
his birth and
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cd: Good to see you are not in total disagreement with Street Preaching John. Would you care to go and wittiness some
ow
him.
Bill
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The followig from the internet explains that
9:42
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ as the
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The followig from the internet explains that
this is a doctrine ppl are incapable of fully understanding - that being the
case IMO it is just
mouthing someone elses words. God gives
understandig
Yeah, either that or it will require that you correct your
understanding on some of the issues you raise.
Bill
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Either what Bill?
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Yeah, either that or it will require that you correct your
understanding on some of the issues you raise. Bill
From: Judy Taylor
PS: To accept this doctrine one would have to deny
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couple of thoughts, Dean. I do not think we disagree at all on point #4. The union that is the being we
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Hello Bill. thanks for the post and the thoughts. Apparently, I missed reading the last sentence or two below, just prior to Dean'
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[I'm quite excited because in the course of writing
the second paragraph below, I became aware of knowing something
important.]
From what
Moore
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[I'm quite excited because in the course of
writing
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[I'm quite excited because in
Thanks, Dean
jd
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Better totake your own counsel first Bill before
you try to foist it on others. Bye
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Hey Judy, I've got an idea: Why don't you go to the desert
for about forty years.We'll see if when you get back, you've gained some
all the attributes of Godhead, and One in all the operations of those attributes: and so it is evident the Jews understood him. See Joh_17:11, Joh_17:22.
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Hello Bill. thanks for the post and the thoughts.
Apparently, I missed reading the last sentence or two below, just
prior to Dean's quote of Wesley.
Dean, I believe there is a Father, a Son and a Holy
Spirit. The Spirit expresses
e
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JD what is wrong with just allowing the scripture to
say what it says rather than striving to make it conform to some
doctrine built by men?
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1. Matt 1:23 gives us the word "Immanuel" as a name for
Jesus.Most significantly, the
ons of those
attributes: and so it is evident the Jews understood him. See
Joh_17:11,
Joh_17:22.
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Hello Bill
. Get over the
'idolotry' of your interpretation.
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On Fri, 06 Jan 200
This is fine with me Lance. I did not receive
what you call my "doctrinal apprehension" that IYO is unsound
from men and so I don't expect to receive accolades
from men. However, I would like those who criticize and
accuse to come up with something other than their own
or someone
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This is fine with me Lance. I did not receive
what you call my "doctrinal apprehension" that IYO is unsound
from me
, 2006 07:38
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Why should I pay any more mind to you than I do to
SNL Lance? You give your opinion which is all you seem
to have to hang on to. If you can show me
evidence by God's Word that what I presently believe is wrong
Well then Lance, that is 'er - your
opinion.
Why don't you just give it a try and see for once
whether or not your opinion is correct?
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IMO, it matters not a whit what they 'come up
with', you will remain
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Why should I pay any more mind to you than I do to
SNL Lance? You
: January 06, 2006 08:08
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Well then Lance, that is 'er - your
opinion.
Why don't you just give it a try and see for once
whether or not your opinion is correct?
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:57:19 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL
DEAF goes both ways Lance and so does
frustration. Some refusing to dialogue when it is apparent there
is
no agreement on this side with their idols and make no
mistake, any doctrine not leading one toward godliness
and holiness is an idol.
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:36:09 -0500 "Lance Muir"
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christ as the
incarnate God
DEAF goes both ways Lance and so does
frustration. Some refusing to dialogue when it is apparent there
is
no agreement on this side with their idols and make
no mistake, any doctrine not leading one toward godliness
and holiness
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Hi Dean. I moved your post up in its entirety below.Thequestion I am having difficulties answering in regards to your statements is how exactly you see yourself differing with John. I am having
We are talking past each other Lance. I am not speaking
of a godliness or holiness obtained by osmosis
but one that is inward. A pure heart and
unfeigned love.
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:56:10 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As to your last point, I totally and
wholeheartedly
FWIW, I do believe that this describes
YOU.
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We are talking past
Jesus addresses this in John 14:17 where he talks to
the disciples about "The Spirit of Truth who is WITH
you but will be IN you" and - as for the
Emmanuele/Incarnation issue. Same thing. In John 14:10
where
Jesus plainly says that it is the Father who dwells IN
him who does the works" So
Ever learning and
never...etc.
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Jesus addresses this in John 14:17 where he talks
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So what is it about these scriptures that I am
misinterpreting Lance?
There are others that say
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Hello Bill. thanks for the post and the thoughts. Apparently, I missed reading the last sentence or two
There have been no conversations where you have ever
supplied any lucid reasons as to why scripture does not
say what it quite obviously says... and I am speaking
with you - not "persons" So tell me Lance, what
is wrong
with the scriptural understanding of Jesus? His
own words describing
: January 06, 2006 13:23
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There have been no conversations where you have ever
supplied any lucid reasons as to why scripture does not
say what it quite obviously says... and I am speaking
with you - not "persons" So tel
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Judy asks 'what is wrong with the scriptural understanding of Jesus', Lance? Lance answers 'Nothing whatsoever, Judy!' AND, Judy
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IMO Dean, it is so much easier to speak with either a cultist or a non-believer than with Judy I never pass up an opportunity
Oh, so other people's opinions don't bother you either
and you don't mind the fact that this list which is
titled Truth Talk has turned into an "opinion
list"? Oh well!! Have it your way.
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Judy asks 'what is wrong
Lord forbid! The blind leading the blind.
Opinion then, is your forte because everyone has one even cultists and
non-believers and
a person's opinion would never be a Rock of
offense. One would never be persecuted over that now would they? You
have not
seen me budge because I have as yet,
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JD what is wrong with just allowing the scripture to say what it says rather than striving to make it conform to some
doctrine built by men? Yours is the man-made doctrine, Judy. (Now that we have done the "yes
.
Read it again and focus on Vs.19; Christ is reconciling all things to the Father - this is not about HIMSELF.
Actually, Judy, the word "Father does not appear in the text. The KJ people added the word to the text. I have the gk text used by the KJ people (Berry's interlinear) and
But as Adam Clark shows in the below "the Fullness"mentioned are Godly attributes as Christ is one with God.
Hi, Dean. You seem to beadding a correction of sorts to what I said. I certainly believe Christ to be the Son of God and , thus, God. I hope you do not misunderstand my point. In the end,
Cool.
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cd: I believe the difficulties arise from you misconception that I am
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Hello Bill.
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1. Matt 1:23 gives us the word "Immanuel" as a name for Jesus.Most significantly, the Apostle Matthew gives us the meaning of this word, an apostolic definition, if you
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JD what is wrong with just allowing the scripture to
say what it says rather than striving to make it conform to some doctrine built by men?
Yours is the man-made doctrine, Judy.
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JD what is wrong with just allowing the scripture to say what it says rather than striving to make it conform
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Awesome !!
jd
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Awesome !!
jd
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cd: Bill I will attempt to find areas of disagree
1. Matt 1:23 gives us the word "Immanuel" as a name for Jesus.Most significantly, the Apostle Matthew gives us the meaning of this word, an apostolic definition, if you will --- God with us. This single sentence should end the controversry, but, of course, people will choose to follow
Dean Moore
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1. Matt 1:23 gives us the word "Imma
and so it is evident the Jews understood him.
See Joh_17:11,
Joh_17:22.
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