Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-24 Thread David Miller
DaveH wrote: But we best give credit where due THANK YOU DavidM :-D Perry made the graphic, which was motivated by Kevin's comments. I found it funny too and just commented on it. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-24 Thread knpraise
so we now meet in committee to come up with funny things to say about theshort fat white guy? Still funny. JD-Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:09:50 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
are dying (dead!) JD leaves off the parts he doesn?t like. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 2:36 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-23 Thread David Miller
Kevin wrote to JD: So where are you in the "process" of salvation? 20% saved yesterday and 21.5% today? Perry wrote: Sorry, guys. I couldn't resist this. LOL. Let's hope that God has a UPS in case the power goes out. :-) Peace be with you.David Miller.

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-23 Thread knpraise
Sometimes I wish I didn'tlaugh so easily. Veryyy funny brother Perry. I am laughing. JD-Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 18:04:15 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) Kevin

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-23 Thread Dave Hansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 18:04:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) Kevin wrote to JD: So where are you in the "process" of salvation? 20% saved yesterday and 21.5% today? Perry wrote

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-23 Thread knpraise
I should have known !!! Still funny. JD-Original Message-From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:56:05 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) DAVEH: I fully agreethat was a gut-buster. But we best give

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-23 Thread knpraise
Go Detroit !!! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:59:58 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) I should have known !!! Still funny. JD-Original Message-From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
luence.And the church will rot on the vine if it cannot influence without the compromise of the Message. JD -Original Message-From: Terry Clifton wabbits1234@earthlink.netTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:11:07 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dy

[TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread Judy Taylor
n wabbits1234@earthlink.netTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:11:07 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two reasons I can think of: a praise-worship service that is contempo

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread David Miller
John wrote: During the civil war era, the "liberal churches" werethose who opposed slavery. Upon what evidence do you base this idea? Anti-slavery people left the Methodist Episcopal Church to form theWesleyan Methodist Church because of their divide on the slavery issue. I would consider

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread knpraise
-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 05:31:39 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) those being saved How many others out there are somewhere in the process of being saved? A bunch

RE: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
The liberals rewrite history to favor themselves. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:11 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) John wrote

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread David Miller
John wrote: Jesus is accused of fellowshipping with sinners and He defends this practice - he does not explain it away (Matt 9:11ff) I don't find any accusation of fellowship with sinners in this passage. The question is posed why he eats with sinners. Fellowship implies a sharing of

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread knpraise
-Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:29:02 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) John wrote: Jesus is accused of fellowshipping with sinners and He defends this practice - he does

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread knpraise
-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: truthtalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:02:46 -0400Subject: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not much different than what we find as typical in the First Church

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread Judy Taylor
On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:22:53 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Jesus is accused of fellowshipping with sinners and He defends this practice - he does notexplain it away (Matt 9:11ff) DM: I don't find any accusation of fellowship with sinners in this passage. JD: Eating and reclining with

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread Judy Taylor
unpruned branch is the one that dies on the vine. God wants a ppl who look like Him. jt I do not deny your first and last sentence. Your transitional thought misses the mark, IMO. Jd jt: So we disagree on how to get from point A to point B? From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Tr

RE: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
JD are you saying you really dont believe even this??? Izzy Heb 10: 10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread Judy Taylor
jt I do not deny your first and last sentence. Your transitional thought misses the mark, IMO. Jd jt: So we disagree on how to get from point A to point B? From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 21 Jun 2005

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread David Miller
John wrote: ... this is my point, he did not use drive by techniques that kept Him isolated and, thus, untainted, from the world. rather, it was out of a continuing feelowship with these people that he made many of His disciples. I'm not sure about him not using drive by techniques. Maybe

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread knpraise
-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:50:33 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:22:53 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Jesus

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread knpraise
-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:09:23 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Not much different than what we find

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread knpraise
Linda - there was a context in which Judy used this passage -- in that context (Judy's) I disagree. JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:41:05 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread knpraise
al Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:59:56 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) That's right Kevin - thanks! Condemnation is what happens when we don'twalk where

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread knpraise
-Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:41:07 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) John wrote: ... this is my point, he did not use drive by techniques that kept Him isolated and, thus

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread Judy Taylor
m point A to point B? JD: Could you restate, please? I do not see a point "a" and a point "b" with an instructional clause between. JD jt: Then what is your term "transitional thought" referring to? From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.o

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread Judy Taylor
Linda, This is the context cut and pasted from the original; JD is saying that rather than a "finished work" the cross is a foundational work in our creation process that is commonly called "incarnation" judyt JD: I believe that the creation process begun in the Garden was to be completed

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread Judy Taylor
IMO. Jd jt: So we disagree on how to get from point A to point B? From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:11:07 -0500Subject: Re: [T

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread Judy Taylor
s the mark, IMO. Jd jt: So we disagree on how to get from point A to point B? From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:11:07 -0500Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread knpraise
-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:25:46 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:34:18 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:JD: You

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: Matthew 11:20 (20) Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not: John wrote: How he handled leadership is one thing. upbraidng the cities is a picture of Christ's conflict with those in charge. Well who do you

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread knpraise
, 22 Jun 2005 16:35:32 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) Still doesn't say "we are saved from condemnation" JD. Romans 8:1 reads: "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus who walk NOT after the flesh, but after

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread knpraise
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:57:42 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) JD: Can you imagine me giving a biblical explanation to the eternal sonship of Christ if this rather uninvolved issue has its difficulties. Simple question -- simpley answer. JD I'm still

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 05:31:39 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) those being saved How many others out there are somewhere in the process of being saved? A bunch. The churchwill die in this day and time if it cannot learn to draw the carnal and t

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
I don't think Jesus was buddies with all the sinners: JN 7:7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Miller wrote: Matthew 11:20 (20) Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread knpraise
-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor jandgtaylor1@juno.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:02:33 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:17:21 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JD

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread knpraise
-Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:26:40 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) David Miller wrote: Matthew 11:20 (20) Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread Judy Taylor
Let's go to the next topic. JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:57:42 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) JD: Can you imagine

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread Judy Taylor
O. Jd jt: So we disagree on how to get from point A to point B? From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:11:07 -0500Subje

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread knpraise
-- pertty good, I think. JD -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:30:01 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) I am saying we were commanded to GO and sinful men will do whatever

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread knpraise
@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:15:33 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) Where was I wrong JD? What was your answer? I don't remember having any question but that's OK. Still waiting for the other ... On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:27:24 -0400

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread knpraise
PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:16:56 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) YOU LEFT OF THE OTHER HALF OF THE VERSE - THERE IS A CONDITION JD On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:31:29 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread knpraise
: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) Judy, my thinking on eternal sonship will come up again, sometime. If you got lost on the below posted issue - I can't imagine where we will end up with a more complicated or involved statement of faith. Jd -Original Message-From: Judy

RE: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) Linda, This is the context cut and pasted from the original; JD is saying that rather than a finished work the cross is a foundational work in our creation process that is commonly called incarnation judyt JD: I believe

RE: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
? From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:11:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two reasons I can

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: ... I don't think you perceive Jesus to be a sinning Jesus, but you do seem to see him as someone who communed closely with sinners, being buddies with them. John wrote: If you want to use an emotional charged word (buddies) go ahead. That is not the word I would use.

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Sorry, guys. I couldn't resist this. From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:30:01 -0700 (PDT) I am saying we were commanded to GO and sinful

RE: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
Anyone want to vote? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 5:16 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) To be guilty of one

RE: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:03 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) Sorry, guys. I couldn't resist

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread knpraise
Tell us, Linda, what was the point of the discussion and my response? Jd-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:53:29 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) JD leaves off the parts he

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread knpraise
-Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:57:09 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!) David Miller wrote: ... I don't think you perceive Jesus to be a sinning Jesus, but you do seem to see

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-22 Thread Judy Taylor
n how to get from point A to point B? From: Terry Clifton wabbits1234@earthlink.netTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:11:07 -

[TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Why, in this age of moral relativism, liberal churches are dying -- and conservative ones are booming http://www.wndbookservice.com/products/BookPage.asp?prod_cd=c6667

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-21 Thread knpraise
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Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-21 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two reasons I can think of: a praise-worship service that is contemporary and entertaining. and (2) a social aspect that is inclusive and tolerant. Conservative churches that major in the preaching of "truth" and doctrinal correctnessand hang with the

Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

2005-06-21 Thread knpraise
luence.And the church will rot on the vine if it cannot influence without the compromise of the Message. JD -Original Message-From: Terry Clifton wabbits1234@earthlink.netTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:11:07 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dy