Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
What quote do you refer too?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The term ANTI is a device for member protection from "TRUTHS that are NOT USEFUL"DAVEH: While that may or may not be the case (you took the quote out of context, and did not connect it to ANTI by the author.so it is not possible

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-22 Thread Dave Hansen
Kevin Deegan wrote: What quote do you refer too? DAVEH: "TRUTHS that are NOT USEFUL" Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The term ANTI is a device for member protection from "TRUTHS that are NOT USEFUL" DAVEH: While that may or may not be the case (you took the quote

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
I was showing how the Apostle deals with info that is not FAITH PROMOTING Jetison it! Boy this is really eating you up. Would you feel better if I said Everyevangelical"?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: The problem with your logic on this Kevin, is that you failed to connect the

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Lance Muir
It isn't 'fear' that I'm projecting on to you, Kevin. You seem a sincere, if misguided, fellow. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 20, 2005 18:25 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah Don't project your fear

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Lance Muir
will, of course but, at least you got asked. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 20, 2005 23:44 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah Don’t you, Lance? If not, you’re “lost-er” than I thunk!!! Izzy

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
Well first of all they are shocking! "Some things that are true are not very useful." some LDS bend the truth to fit the prophets someLDS bend the prophets to fit the truth Besides it is only their opinion right? The term ANTI is a device for member protection from "TRUTHS that are NOT USEFUL"

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
question was:Why not replicate in front of 'your' Mosques what you do at Mardi Gras, Super Bowl etc.? You won't and, for good reason. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 20, 2005 18:24 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah Want to come

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Lance Muir
: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 21, 2005 07:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah We do - you SIT We preach - you lecture on what you do not doLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I looked at the photo-journal of the SPer's

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
Linda asks 'Don't you, Lance?' of the query: 'Do you believe Satan to have been the inspiration for both the Koran and the BOM'? I doubt that either was inspired by Satan. IFF you, Kevin and Perry actually KNOW THIS TO BE THE CASE then, lay it out for a misguided 'lib'. None of you will, of course but,

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Judy Taylor
Izzy, I doubt Lance takes Satan seriously, didn't you know the last demon died along with the last apostle? We've now got it all wrapped up with our "incarnation" doctrine. jt On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 06:32:58 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Linda asks 'Don't you, Lance?' of the

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
vin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 21, 2005 07:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah We do - you SIT We preach - you lecture on what you do not doLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I looked at the photo-journal of the SPer's trip. What a waste! A Muslim country? You l

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 21, 2005 07:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah I might if i get a chance (time) Ibelieve it to be the same "caractor" Don't know that I could provide an airtight case, but there is much similarity Why bother when there

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
20, 2005 18:25 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah Don't project your fear onto me. Stay at home you might wet yourself.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, there's a collection of pictures I'd enjoy having a look at.Of course y'all do this with the same frequency as the others, eh

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Judy Taylor
reason. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 20, 2005 18:24 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah Want to come with us to a muslim country to

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
for this, Lance - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 21, 2005 07:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah I might if i get a chance (time) Ibelieve it to be the same "caractor" Don't know that I could provide an airtight case, but there is much

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Lance Muir
t: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah Izzy, I doubt Lance takes Satan seriously, didn't you know the last demon died along with the last apostle? We've now got it all wrapped up with our "incarnation" doctrine. jt On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 06:32:58 -0400 "Lance Muir"

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Lance Muir
Will your honor instruct the witness to answer the question as asked? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 21, 2005 07:50 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah Yes we do you not whereof you speak. We have

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 21, 2005 07:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah I might if i get a chance (time) Ibelieve it to be the same "caractor" Don't know that I could provide an airtight case, but there is much similarity Why b

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Lance Muir
@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 21, 2005 07:52 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah Could be God has given these ppl over to a 'reprobate mind' Lance. It's a possibility isn't it? Anyway no prophecy of scripture was ever written by the 'will of man' and no individual will ever

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 21, 2005 07:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah We do - you SIT We preach - you lecture on what you do not doLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I looked at the photo-journal of the SPer's trip. What a waste! A Muslim country

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Judy Taylor
Perry actually KNOW THIS TO BE THE CASE then, lay it out for a misguided 'lib'. None of you will, of course but, at least you got asked. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
t: June 20, 2005 18:24 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah Want to come with us to a muslim country to preach?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, there's a collection of pictures I'd enjoy having a look at.Of course y'all do this with the same frequency as the others, eh? Will you tell whi

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Judy Taylor
ear not.HMM? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 21, 2005 07:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah We do - you SIT We preach - you lecture on what you do not doLance M

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
glory.org Sent: June 21, 2005 07:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah We do - you SIT We preach - you lecture on what you do not doLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I looked at the photo-journal of the SPer's trip. What a waste! A Muslim country? You live in one. As for both trips; the o

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Kevin Deegan
Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 21, 2005 07:52 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah Could be God has given these ppl over to a 'reprobate mind' Lance. It's a possibility isn't it? Anyway no prophecy of scripture was ever

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Lance Muir
Name:Kevin Rank:SPGeneral Serial #:666 - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 21, 2005 10:33 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah Are you still looking for my Name Rank Serial number? Is that it?Lance Muir

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: Linda asks 'Don't you, Lance?' of the query: 'Do you believe Satan to have been the inspiration for both the Koran and the BOM'? I doubt that either was inspired by Satan. IFF you, Kevin and Perry actually KNOW THIS TO BE THE CASE then, lay it out for a misguided

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Lance Muir
, 2005 11:54 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah Lance Muir wrote: Linda asks 'Don't you, Lance?' of the query: 'Do you believe Satan to have been the inspiration for both the Koran and the BOM'? I doubt that either was inspired by Satan. IFF you, Kevin

RE: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Just as I feared. Tsk, tsk. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 4:33 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah Linda asks 'Don't you, Lance?' of the query: 'Do you believe

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Terry Clifton
I am not saying that Satan is responsible for all evil, Lance. In the past, I have been guilty of much evil using my own talents. Had the Lord not saved me, I would have had to pay for those evils. Satan would not have been guilty, I would, and the punishment I received I would have deserved.

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Lance Muir
of it. There is altogether too much attribution of evil to Satan, IMO. - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 21, 2005 14:56 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah I am not saying that Satan is responsible for all evil, Lance

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Judy Taylor
Not at all Lance; who is the 'father of lies'? If a person is motivated by a 'lying spirit' then who would you say is behind what they speak? Why did Jesus tell the Jews who prided themselves on being children of Abraham that they were of "their father the devil"? Wasn't it because the truth

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Terry Clifton
Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 21, 2005 14:56 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah I am not saying that Satan is responsible for all evil, Lance. In the past, I have been guilty of much evil using my own talents. Had the Lord not saved me, I would

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Lance Muir
Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 21, 2005 15:17 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah Not at all Lance; who is the 'father of lies'? If a person is motivated by a 'lying spirit' then who would you say is behind what

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: I'll 'kill two birds with one stone'. (Judy Terry) IFF GWB actually lied about the WMD who is responsible for this? 1. Satan whom you describe and the 'father of lies'. 2. GWB himself who might (please note that I said MIGHT) have lied.

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Judy Taylor
Lance I'm still waiting for you to prove heresy or repent for calling me a 'heretick' I say it has not been proven yet that there was no cause for alarm However, if in fact it was a lie and GWB was deceived the ball is in Satan's court If heis by nature a prevaricator - the ball is still in

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread knpraise
PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:00:01 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah Lance I'm still waiting for you to prove heresy or repent for calling me a 'heretick' I say it has not been proven yet that there was no cause for alarm

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread ttxpress
Save yer country!Join the RNC and sponsorBB and _Mom's for the Truth_ on the Evangelical banquet circuit with the Bill Gaither Band--that'll be only $150 per ticket please-cash, check or credit [5 vol DVD or VCR event memorabilia not included)? On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:00:01 -0400 Judy

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread ttxpress
natural dualistic legalese--where her moral slipknot strategically loosens On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:52:39 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:00:01 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if.. GWB was deceived the ball is in Satan's court If

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Judy Taylor
: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:00:01 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah Lance I'm still waiting for you to prove heresy or repent for calling me a 'heretick' I say it has not been

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread ttxpress
so America is ruled by Satan--eh? (just like Osama says) On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:07:30 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: natural dualistic legalese--where her moral slipknot strategically loosens On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:52:39 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || On

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread knpraise
5 19:11:51 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah I expect all heresy hunters (which presently are YOU andLance) to produce somesubstantial evidence from God's Word that provesthisaccusation is founded in something other than rc traditional teachings. Am still waiting judyt On Tue, 21 Jun 200

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Judy Taylor
That is what YOU say!!! jt On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:14:10 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: so America is ruled by Satan--eh? (just like Osama says) On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:07:30 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: natural dualistic legalese--where her moral slipknot

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread knpraise
Yes,by jove, I believe you have nailed it !! I checked the signiture and, in deed, it was the good professor. Jd-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:50:34 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk

RE: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 2:52 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah Lance Muir wrote: I'll 'kill two birds with one stone'. (Judy Terry) IFF GWB actually lied about the WMD who is responsible for this? 1. Satan whom you describe and the 'father of lies

RE: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
All who are on Osamas side raise your handwe know which court you are in. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 5:14 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah so

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread ttxpress
your 'logic' is 'perfect' except it's not the ball, it's the RNC in Satan's court On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:50:34 -0400 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:14:10 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: so America is ruled by Satan--eh? (just like Osama says)

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread ttxpress
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:40:22 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || All who are on Osamas side raise your hand listenwhile jtexplains howyour vote for GWB iz a vote forOsama: On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:00:01

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Dave Hansen
The term ANTI is a device for member protection from "TRUTHS that are NOT USEFUL" DAVEH: While that may or may not be the case (you took the quote out of context, and did not connect it to ANTI by the author.so it is not possible to determine if that is what the author was suggesting), it

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-21 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: The problem with your logic on this Kevin, is that you failed to connect the author's comment "Some things that are true are not very useful." .to the term anti-Mormon. While anti-Mormons may not give truths that are useful, taking his comments out of context do not support

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: I didme. But let me give you another, as you probably think of me as being somewhat an angel. O:-) I have a friend who was excommunicated from the Church for moral sins, and remains a non member to this day. He is disabled, and is relatively bitter about how life has treated

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Dave Hansen
Kevin Deegan wrote: DAVEH: FTR.I never claimed to be. How about you..do you claim to be the Standard of Truth, Kevin? Then on what basis do you declare. "To me, that isn't logical at all."Are you not the std in this statement? DAVEH: Nojust common sense. Do I claim

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Judy Taylor
: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah JD you are disingenious from the start. While claimingto be a pastor and not a theologian you title thislittle rant against God's Word'A heuristic consideration' which is'theological' - The word isn't even found in a regular dictionary so

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Judy Taylor
What does logic have to do with the price of fish? It is my personal belief that God is logical but He is not bound by logic to the point where this defines Him. Yes Elijah was under the anointing of the Holy Spirit when he mocked the prophets of Baal and God does not change. Read Proverbs

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Judy Taylor
I'm getting weirded out here; this is just too strange .. definitely a system of "fleshworks" and not anything akin to the faith "once delivered to the saints" - love the hymn (the one about Jesus). jt On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ROTFL

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Lance Muir
It does to me, Dave. Some SP ought to keep this in mind when villifying their audience. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 20, 2005 00:12 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah DAVEH: As I understand your

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Lance Muir
Jt says 'it (heuristic) has nothing to do with Scripture.' The Incarnation, IMO, is heuristic. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 19, 2005 16:57 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Judy Taylor
In what sense is the incarnation heuristic? Because it is your "systematic theology?" jt On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 05:07:04 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jt says 'it (heuristic) has nothing to do with Scripture.' The Incarnation, IMO, is heuristic. From: Judy Taylor

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Lance Muir
to the possibility that any attempt to answer would be met with mockery? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 20, 2005 05:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah In what sense

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Judy Taylor
Can you give us a "for instance" DaveH? jt Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: As I understand your position (and please correct me if I am misunderstanding your position), many Christians (specifically you, in this instance)

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Lance Muir
: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah I'm not into "mockery" Lance which is something thatyou should have observedby now. Since the word involves some systematic way of learning then I am assuming that you are using it to describe a systematic theology which hasthe incarnation as it's pivota

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Judy Taylor
I would think it would be more like Jeremiah (see Jer 13:1,2); this is obviously a one time object lesson to the part of Israel Jeremiah was ministering to rather than a pattern of behavior for all time. However, part of public proclamation of Truth by nature involves exposing the lie ofthe

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Judy Taylor
I do disagree. My belief is that every "heuristic" construct of man is but a "dead" letter and this includes Calvin's Institutes. It takes the Spirit of God to make The Word a "living" Word and this only happens when a man speaks "as the oracles of God" You may not see it now but believe me

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Lance Muir
@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 20, 2005 06:38 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah I do disagree. My belief is that every "heuristic" construct of man is but a "dead" letter and this includes Calvin's Institutes. It takes the Spirit of God to make The Word a "living&qu

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Judy Taylor
I don't know about DavidM but I'm sure Kevin and Ruben have encountered Muslims in their SP travels. I figure it would be tit for tat (with truth on their side) since Muslims call everyone and everything Western "the great Satan" My Scots friend tells me that in the UK the Muslims have taken

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Judy Taylor
Lay it out then Lance ... On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 06:48:39 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I, JD, BT, JH et al am genuinely open to having you show us the 'big holes' in our 'INCARNATIONAL SYSTEM'. I, for one, will abandon it upon adequate demonstration. From: Judy

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Lance Muir
: June 20, 2005 06:56 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah I don't know about DavidM but I'm sure Kevin and Ruben have encountered Muslims in their SP travels. I figure it would be tit for tat (with truth on their side) since Muslims call everyone and everything Western "the

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Lance Muir
n adequate presentation of those 'holes'. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 20, 2005 06:57 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah Lay it out then Lance ... On Mon, 20 Jun 200

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Judy Taylor
Lance, you are the expert so it is up to you to show us your "incarnational" system and then we will be Berean and examine it in the light of God's Word. jt On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 07:21:01 -0400 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jt said 'BELIEVE ME, LANCE..THERE ARE BIG HOLES IN YOUR

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Judy Taylor
The point I see at the beginning is one of "contention" and thisis not good or acceptable in a Church setting among believers because love should cover until we all come into the unity of the faith. However, when confronting false systems it can not be avoided. Why do you think Paul had so

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Lance Muir
the very system that you say has 'holes' then, what am I to make of this? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 20, 2005 07:26 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah Lance, you

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Lance Muir
in hand, 'confront'? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 20, 2005 07:32 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah The point I see at the beginning is one of "conte

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Lance Muir
Sent: June 20, 2005 07:49 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah I see holes in the little that I do understand which may evenbecome a gaping cavern into sheol when the rest is uncovered. If you are so sure it is solid then why the accusation and hesitancy on your part Lance? Why

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Judy Taylor
I believe that SP's should obey God and if he leads them to the front of a Mosque then He will take care of them there because His grace will not lead them where He can not keep them. My response to your second question is Yes! because both revelations came from an "angel of light" in clear

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread knpraise
Very good point !!! It is that whichgives compliment to all else. Very good point !! JD-Original Message-From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 05:07:04 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah Jt says 'it (heuristic) has nothing

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread knpraise
To deny the Incarnation is to be an atheist or something close to that understanding. JD-Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:34:31 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah You

RE: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread ShieldsFamily
@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah Actually, it.was what the Jews were called back then. there wereGentile believers with whom God had a relationship of sorts. JD -Original Message- From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Judy Taylor
Noone is denying that the "incarnation" has a place; but that is all. It is not the "whole enchilada" as the saying goes. Believing that Jesus fulfilled the law and did it all and is sitting up there in heaven "perfect" is not going to do anything for you so long as you are down here

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Judy Taylor
You are going to reduce God to the "incarnation" - incredulous!! Just proves you don't know the scriptures or the power of God. This has got to be how all the rcc traditional nonsense got started. jt On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:26:24 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Very good point !!!

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Judy Taylor
Exactly ... On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:36:26 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The same commandments were required of the gentile converts (Gers), JD. No differencethey were all equally considered the children of God. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread knpraise
:41:59 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah Exactly ... On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:36:26 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The same commandments were required of the gentile converts (Gers), JD. No difference?they were all equally considered the children of

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread knpraise
th. AND, I believe it is the truth in YOUR LIFE, WHETHER YOU CARE TO ADMIT IT OR NOT. JD -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:48:23 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumora

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
OK So am I an ANTI? why or why not Any ANTi's on TT? Do you accept Lindsay's definition?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: I didme. But let me give you another, as you probably think of me as being somewhat an angel. O:-) I have a friend who was excommunicated from the Church

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: You comments have brought to mind a few questions about SPers. Perhaps Kevin or other knowledgeable TTers can respond.. Do SPer exist in antagonistic countries (viz Muslim)? Do such countries allow such activities? And, do SPers back off when their activities might incite

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
Why don't you just list just ONE critic who has NOT been called an ANTI. That would seem to be an EASY TASK! E-Z . Please give usONE example of a well known critic who is not called an ANTI I helped you out by cutting the list of possibles down since F.A.I.R has an extensive list of ANTI's

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
What standard of measurement are you using here, other than reference to yourself.? Help me out here Dave, seems "To me, that isn't logical at all." uses the standard Reference of DaveH.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Deegan wrote: DAVEH: FTR.I never claimed to be. How about

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
They stole the MUSIC! And put new words to it!Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm getting weirded out here; this is just too strange .. definitely a system of "fleshworks" and not anything akin to the faith "once delivered to the saints" - love the hymn (the one about Jesus). jt On Sun, 19

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am confused. I thought you said that the incarnation doctrine was a teaching of man - now, it appears that you do have a place for it. Let me say this -- the Incarnation story is the story of Jesus and all that He did and all that He is. He is the one who

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
Many things about God escape Human Logic. God is not restricted by the Physical LAWS he designed and instituted.You can not deduce the Truth without the Revelation of Jesus Christ. That Revelation is found in the BIBLE.Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What does logic have to do with the

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Judy Taylor
What I said is that the incarnation happened and is a fact historically. Making this doctrine as huge as it has become for someis a "teaching of man" There is no indication that Paul or any of the apostles majored on the incarnation; Paul preached the cross of Christ himself and he spoke

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 20, 2005 00:12 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah DAVEH: As I understand your position (and please correct me if I am misunderstanding your position), many Christians (specifically you, in this instance) believe that everything written in the Bible

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread knpraise
es me as a humanist or someone whose doctrine is to be feared and/or opposed ... right??? JD-Original Message-From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:04:42 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Lance Muir
Small part? Would there be any 'gospel' whatsoever without it? - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 20, 2005 13:04 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am confused. I

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
al Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 20, 2005 06:24 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah I would think it would be more like Jeremiah (see Jer 13:1,2); this is obviously a one time object lesson to the part of Israe

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Lance Muir
Who was on the cross? What would the cross have meant without God on it? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 20, 2005 13:26 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah What I

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah I would think it would be more like Jeremiah (see Jer 13:1,2); this is obviously a one time object lesson to the part of Israel Jeremiah was ministering to rather than a pattern of behavior for all time. However, part of public proclamation of Truth by nature involves

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Blainerb473
Thanks for yourcharitable judgement of me being guiltless, JD.:) I am not all that sure I deserve it, but Iat least think it a good thing to avoid contention as much as possible. If I sense someone getting their steam up, I soft-pedal it, or justbow out, hopefully in a graceful manner.

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
The SPF preaches to Muslims here and abroad. We will be going to a Muslim contry this fall to preach. care to come along? http://www.streetpreachersfellowship.com/England1.asp SPF Muslims at Hyde Park http://www.streetpreachersfellowship.com/England3.aspJudy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 20, 2005 06:56 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah I don't know about DavidM but I'm sure Kevin and Ruben have encountered Muslims in their SP travels. I figure it would be tit for tat (with truth on their side) since Muslims

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-20 Thread Kevin Deegan
believe of Mormonism? If you do then surely you believe that an SP, bullhorn and placard in hand, 'confront'? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 20, 2005 07:32 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah The point I

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