Re: [TruthTalk] To Sir With Love

2005-05-14 Thread Blainerb473
BLAINE: I was hoping someone would pick up on the issue of traditional bigotry being overcome as individuals interacted with one another over a long period of time. The book was supposedly true, not sure whether the Hollywood movie version took it into the area of fiction or no.I don't

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-14 Thread Blainerb473
BLAINE: I think, Judy, your equating street preachers with OT prophets is going a bit far, huh? OT prophets most often got their messages across through working through the political establishment--kings, false priests, etc. While they did go about the streets, I cannot concieve of them

Re: [TruthTalk] To Sir With Love

2005-05-14 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 5/14/2005 5:24:13 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BLAINE: What Kevin posts from Mormon sources is often true, it is the conclusions he draws fromhis poststhat amazes me.Kevin never fails to interpret for you followers out there who can't seem to

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-14 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 5/14/2005 5:29:46 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David wrote: I grew up in the Methodist tradition too, and I never saw someone preaching outside until I was well into my twenties. This is sad, because Jesus did it, the apostles did it, it

Re: [TruthTalk] To Sir With Love

2005-05-14 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 5/14/2005 5:59:57 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another totally gratuitous panning, along with the entire RC church, the Toronto blessing, and Athanasius. There's this lady who has a stencil of a flower, which she cut out herself and

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-14 Thread Blainerb473
BLAINE: Questions for Kevin and Perry: I distinctly recall underwear being waved at General Conference in Salt Lake City, I recall a Mormon man reacting and attacking the wavers; were either of you involved in this?OR Did you condone it? In a message dated 5/14/2005 6:17:13 PM Mountain

Re: [TruthTalk] To Sir With Love

2005-05-14 Thread Blainerb473
BLAINE: OH, I understand! LOL n a message dated 5/14/2005 6:26:58 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blaine, I wrote that silly post in exasperation and weariness at Judy's remarks on To Sir With Love.To me she seems relentless about needing to criticize anything

Re: [TruthTalk] To Sir With Love

2005-05-14 Thread Blainerb473
BLAINE: Judy, I hate to tell you this, but you just proved Debbie right.LOL You need to be less rigid in your approach. It is not a sin to be wrong, and it is not a sin to make a mistake on your uptake of something, includingWHY THE MOON IS ALWAYS AT FULL PHASE DURING PASSOVER--remember?

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-14 Thread Blainerb473
BLAINE: Judy, I agree with what you are saying, I think I do at least. But what do you mean, "leads to destruction?"Destruction of what? I thought you believed all are eventually redeemed who believe.There appears to be something missing in the logic . . . In a message dated 5/14/2005

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-14 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: I sent the last post off before I read your latest post and answer to the question asked by KNPraise. Are you aware the BoM addresses this question much the same as you are addressing it? Congrats, Judy, shall I call the Elders?:) I have a lesson to prepare for a group of

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-14 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: But if God called you to the work, the message would of necessity be new scripture, because God authored it, and, according to you, He said it. That is all scripture is--a message direct from God to man, and then written down. See the problem with your reasoning? If you guys didn't

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-17 Thread Blainerb473
BLAINE: Pardon me for intervening--I have to say, Kevin's characterization of John the Baptist as not being Christiansounds typically Kevin Deegan, for sure--similar tohis stance that Mormons are not Christians. I am strongly reminded of a passage in the Book of Mormon where Alma, the

Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells

2005-05-17 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: I suspect that Carolyn was just being her usual sweet self, not wanting to get into it with some on TT, bowing out with her usual grace. Strange that those who leave are almost always tose who are careful of others' feelings, full iof charity, doing unto others as they would have

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-19 Thread Blainerb473
BLAINE:OH! Kevin. Where in your Bible does it define the difference between a saint and a Christian? As usual, you make up your religion as you go along.OK everyone, NEW RULE! Kevin's ruling is that although John the Baptist is not Christian, he is still a saint.Shall I write that down

Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells

2005-05-19 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 5/17/2005 9:59:09 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Too bad you don't work for a living -- it would go a long way to keeping you off the street. BLAINE: Ha! That's a good play on words, JD!! I like, I llike!.

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-19 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 5/17/2005 10:23:04 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How can you be a christian 1000 years before Christ was born? Such as we are told in the Book of Mormon. BLAINE: BoM prophets were more faithful than the Jews, so knew far more of Jesus Christ.

Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells

2005-05-19 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 5/18/2005 12:31:11 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: Ruben, the news the past few days got me thinking about how some SPers preach. Do you guys attend any Muslim events (I don't even know if there are any in the USA)? If notthen I am

Re: [TruthTalk] Musliums Mormons

2005-05-19 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 5/19/2005 11:54:54 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can give you one example concerning Muslims. If I were to teach that Mohammed is a false prophet, Muslims get VERY upset. Most of the time, I am not that blunt with them because I know they

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-24 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 5/23/2005 11:15:18 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: Perhaps.Heb 13:1ShieldsFamily wrote:Has anyone on TT actually seen an angel? Izzy BLAINE: I have been very very busy lately, so have not even been reading most of the posts. Sorry

Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS...

2005-05-24 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: I guess I just can't resist breaking into an interesting conversation!! Perry you are wrong when you say Mormons believe Adam was both God-the-Father and Michael in the pre-existance. It is clear and consistent in all Mormon doctrinal treatesies on this subject that 1) The man Adam

Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS...

2005-05-24 Thread Blainerb473
You got me on that one, Christine--no it is definitely not in the Book of Mormon. I'd have to read around and research where it is written. Will give you some references. Blaine In a message dated 5/24/2005 9:10:20 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blaine wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-24 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 5/24/2005 9:35:56 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blaine, I drank some punch like that one itme ;-) Very funny.

Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS...

2005-05-24 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: Kevin, I appreciate your furnishing all this supportive evidence. I knew I could count on you, Kevin, to give us the official words quoted as they fell from the mouths of prophets. What I can't understand is how you can derive any other meaning than the one I have already

Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS...

2005-05-25 Thread Blainerb473
Kevion wrote: Adam God is even in your standard works, hardly "a little vague" Blaine:Really? Where? To my knowledge, it is not and never was in any standard work of the Church, eg, the Book of Mormon, the DC,theP of GP, definitely not in the Bible (also a Standard Work).What little bit

Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS...

2005-05-25 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: Hi Judy. OOps! Your almost total unfamiliarity with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is showing, big time!! The Bible is not only used by the church, but is a mainstay Standard Work. Much time and many dollars were spent to cross-reference the Bible with other

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of T...

2005-05-25 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: As Lance points out, there are differing opinions regards the doctrine of a Pre-existence in the Bible. Reason stares, however, if we deny the strong probability that we existed before this probationary period. 1/3 of the hosts of Heaven followed Satan,the other 2/3sooner or

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of T...

2005-05-25 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 5/25/2005 6:03:14 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "The President of the Church is the only man on earth authorized by God to go beyond or add to the scriptures" Teachings of theLiving ProphetsP18 published CJCLDS 1982 Blaine: Even the

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of T...

2005-05-25 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: Adam was the first man. He was the father of our race as we know it. We do not know how he came to exist in the flesh, other than he was, as the Bible states, created from the dust of the earth. In the spirit pre-existence, he was Michael, the Archangel, leader of all the hosts of

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-27 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: I first got onto astrology in, I believe 1969, when a co-teacher I worked with taught me a lot of different things, mostly related to teaching, but one side benefit was astrology. He was a descendant of Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens), famous author, and was just about as colorful as

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of T...

2005-05-27 Thread Blainerb473
I like, Ilike!! LOL Blaine In a message dated 5/26/2005 1:54:50 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In contrast to street preachers, I think Mormons are brought up to be relatively non confrontational. If you don't want to listen to meI won't get out a bullhorn

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic ...

2005-05-27 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 5/26/2005 2:27:22 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What can you tell me of the 1978 (?) 'revelation' concerning the increased status of blacks in your church? BLAINE: The revelation to extend Priesthood to worthy Black males appears in the

Re: [TruthTalk] Ramblings

2005-05-27 Thread Blainerb473
Good ones, thanks! Blaine

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

2005-05-27 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 5/26/2005 8:19:42 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTWI must warn you to exercise extreme caution when wearing our leathers near ladies other than your wife, as they are often strongly attracted to the animal magnetism of leather covered cads

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic ...

2005-05-27 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 5/27/2005 6:49:45 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blaine, it seems that 99 44/100 % of the DC was "revealed" to JS. Did he have a "general constituency" that voted on whether or not what he said was was revealed to him was truly revelation from

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation

2005-05-27 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 5/27/2005 7:55:41 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What was your message to Deegan when he called me a liar? Liar is ok -- nuts is off limits? Blaine: I think Kevin has arrived at the "can-do-no-wrong" stage of membership in TT. :)

Re: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: daily devotional (Fri. 5-27-2005)Liveprayer.com]

2005-05-27 Thread Blainerb473
BLAINE: Not a bad job of writing. I wasn't aware youhad such a sense of the rediculous. In a message dated 5/27/2005 8:17:30 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terry, there is a STREET PREACHER just waiting to come out.come out of the closet. This is what

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-31 Thread Blainerb473
I agree, Izzy, and by now you should know that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches enduring to the end IN CHRIST--only. You have unfortunately fallenunder the very bad influence ofthoseblind guideswho teach the traditions and commandments of men, mixed with a few select

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-05-31 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 5/31/2005 6:19:18 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please dont quote B.M. to me. It means nothing as it was written by a crafty, adulterous man named Joseph Smith. Izzy I won't! (Not unless I see something that really isunsettling to all you

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-02 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/1/2005 9:09:01 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Satan is an imitator. And a liar. So was JS. He never entered into The Kingdom for sure. Izzy Blaine: Is this your best shot Izzy? If it is, I'd say you are struggling.

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/1/2005 9:09:01 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By crafty, I was referring to what I call Priestcraft Blaine: Priestcraft is, by my definition, using preaching and/or teaching the gospel as a means of making a living. Mormon priests arelay

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread Blainerb473
Isaiah 29 11 "And the vision of all is become unto you as the word of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee; and he saith, I cannot, for it is sealed. 12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this I

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/1/2005 1:34:33 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The mormons have their JSmith; the J.Witnesses have their CT Russell, theChristian Scientists have their Mary Baker Eddy; the RCC's have their Pope,and the Incarnationalists have their "Bishop".

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread Blainerb473
So, what is your definition of "priestcraft," Perry? Blaine In a message dated 6/3/2005 7:17:13 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Blaine wrote: Priestcraft is, by my definition, ... Here we go again...the mormons like to make up their own

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-03 Thread Blainerb473
Yeah, that is a puzzler, Lance, what is your point? Blaine In a message dated 6/3/2005 7:08:44 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: dont know anyone who worships a book. Do you? Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-05 Thread Blainerb473
Lance, You seem capable of objective thought, so you earn an "A" for that, at least, in my little mental roll book. Blaine In a message dated 6/4/2005 7:14:39 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lance wrote: We may have unamimity on my next observation (?): At the

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-05 Thread Blainerb473
David, Hmm, I see your point, but yours is a special case, wouldn't you say? I have to say your point is actually weak. Associatiing JS with other false priests, is a badassociation no matter how you look at it. JS gave dates, descriptions of what took place, etc, which none of these

Re: [TruthTalk] JS is a False Priest according to Blaine

2005-06-06 Thread Blainerb473
Laugh, clown, laugh!! I meant JS was a false priest according to YOUR perceptions, not mine. There, you are caught redhanded, taking a sentence out of context!! Ha! I knew I'd catch you doing that if I just waited long enough. BlaineRB In a message dated 6/6/2005 8:48:46 AM Mountain

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/6/2005 8:45:21 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lance Muir wrote: Blaine says that 'God gives direction to all liberally who ask in faith'. I asked you/DH whether or not the 'subjective' bottom line was James 1. Are you

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Blainerb473
I Blaine: Aren't you converted to Mormonism by now Izzy? :) I'm shocked you don't know the answer. It is BOTH. Since they are the same individuals! I do, however understand why you might think otherwise. Anyone subjected to the watered-down doctrinesof traditional Christianity would tend,

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/6/2005 10:08:50 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a sense of false security Good point Blaine. What security do you have? Blaine: The witness of the spirit. The Shekinah, the fiery presence of the Lord in his appearance to JS and later, at the

Re: [TruthTalk] JS is a False Priest according to Blaine

2005-06-06 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: Don't take me too personally, Kevin. I was hoping you guys would laugh with me, but, . . . I must have gotten to you w/o intending to. Are we having fun yet, Kev? :) In a message dated 6/6/2005 9:43:48 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Haugty spirit you

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: ISAIAH 8:20 is OT and refers to the Law of Moses only. There have been a lot of words written since the law was given to Moses. All since Christ supercedes that law. How do you account for all that? In a message dated 6/6/2005 10:17:55 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: If they look and act the same, I must bejustifiedin assuming they are the same. The Gospel of JC is for the unlearned and the simple, as well as for the learned and the sophisticated, so simple assumptions are justified. BUT--How do you know for certain your conclusions, e.g., The

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Blainerb473
Perry, how can you speak with any authority about what I feel or what other LDS feel, subjectivity being what it is? You take a heavy position, presuming to speak for others. All else aside, however, how do you account forJS's fire of the first vision that did not consume being so similar

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: Are you so gullible you believe anything just because it is in print? Go see the movie, Charlotte's Web. Ha! that is the basis for the whole story. In a message dated 6/6/2005 10:36:57 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you ever seen the Sheikinah yourself?

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/6/2005 10:36:57 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you ever seen the Sheikinah yourself? Blaine: The Shekinah is a greatly amplified version of what is otherwise known as the Spirit of the Holy Ghost. I have definitely felt it numerous times,

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/6/2005 10:39:50 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are wrong again, Blaine. Revelations says that no one is to add or subtract from the Bible. Did you miss that part? Izzy Blaine: I have never seen that part, since it does not even exist. The

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Blainerb473
Yeah, but what about all that has been written since? Where do you draw the line, when no more can be written? Blaine In a message dated 6/6/2005 10:45:50 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I say that God is ONE and His Word is ONE. Jesus Christ God's Word is the

Re: [TruthTalk] JS is a False Priest according to Blaine

2005-06-06 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: Are we having fun yet, Perry? I am. In a message dated 6/6/2005 10:18:35 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blaine, First, you said "associating JS with OTHER false priests"...these are YOUR words, and you imply JS was ALSO a false priest...if you had NOT

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Blainerb473
I see you have not read Charlotte's Web. It is about a spider that spun webs with English words incorporated, which in turn were assumed by Humans to refer to the pig who lived in the sty beneath the webs. These descriptive adjectives were then assumed to be the pig's character traits. No

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Blainerb473
Interesting comment, CPL. :) Blaine In a message dated 6/6/2005 11:06:26 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CPL:You actually expect Blaine to take this 'foolishness' seriously?- Original Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-06 Thread Blainerb473
Shechinah is a Hebrew word, which means "the Presence." It refers to the brillance of light that marks the presence of the Lord, and was borrowed from the Hebrew by Christians. See Matt17:5, and Acts 7:55. Moses must have felt it, since after spending forty days and forty nights in it's

Re: [TruthTalk] Clowning Around

2005-06-07 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/6/2005 10:35:13 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perry the Clown wrote to Blaine: PRODUCE THE PHOTOS [of perry the clown] OR RETRACT YOUR MISCHARACTERIZATION OF MY COUNTENANCE!Looks like the mormon boys are tag-teaming me. But, I must confess. I

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/6/2005 3:28:38 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoa, Blaine. Is your "witness of the spirit" that subjective heartburn feelings mormons say they get? AKA, the burning in the bazoom? Do you

Re: [TruthTalk] JS is a False Priest according to Blaine

2005-06-07 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: At least I don't run every person off the forum who disagrees with me --talk about weird--or, maybe a better word is self-admiring. Now, I will be the one to get in trouble for saying that, despite your constant trash-mouthing of my religion and my character, for which nothing will

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry vs DaveH

2005-06-07 Thread Blainerb473
If you believe the Bible, you might consider the passages In the photo--part of the Brigham Young Monument in Salt Lake City Blaine The Hosanna Shout, given at the dedication of each new temple--also, 2 passages

Re: [TruthTalk] Clowning Around

2005-06-07 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/7/2005 7:14:22 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, Blaine, if you took my response as serious, thinking the picture really is of me in a clown suit, then you did not catch the gist of my jest. Dave just forwarded some photo he got somehwere,

Re: [TruthTalk] JS is a False Priest according to Blaine

2005-06-07 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: That too. :) In a message dated 6/6/2005 3:13:41 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are confusing. Did you mean do not take me too seriously?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine: Don't take me too personally, Kevin. I

Re: [TruthTalk] Clowning Around

2005-06-10 Thread Blainerb473
I agree--I especially like the green eyes and the red mustache--sort of reminds me of Christmas. :) Blaine In a message dated 6/7/2005 6:34:43 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I do have to admit a slight resemblance.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-11 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/11/2005 5:44:34 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A question for Dave and/or Blaine... Do the mormons believe that the golden plates used by JS to translate the BoM are still buried in the hill in Palmyra New York they call Hill Cumorah?Perry

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-11 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/11/2005 6:27:45 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another question: does your bible have the same mss evidence as the one's non-mormons have? JD Blaine: Not sure what "mss evidence" is?Members of the Church of JC of LDS use the King

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-11 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: The "Triple Combination," or the KJV Bible with cross references and other explanatory notes combined with the DC, BoM, etc., has many notes based upon Greek manuscripts, mostly from the NT. An example: 1 Cor 13:6, which reads, "Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-11 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: Have you not read/heard the story of Martin Harris taking characters copied from the plates (by JS)to Professor Charles Anthon, and first being told they were true characters, but then being rebuffed by him when he was told a portion of the plates were sealed, and therefore could

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-12 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: Where? In a message dated 6/11/2005 10:20:16 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The LDS KJV notes have Adam God in them too.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine: The "Triple Combination," or the KJV Bible with cross references and other

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-12 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: Probably nothing that would satisfy your "Doubting Thomas" attitude, Perry. In a message dated 6/11/2005 10:34:43 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, I have heard that story, but that does not relate the event to the Isaiah passage. We still have two

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-13 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/11/2005 10:45:23 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anthod denied the whole story. He maintained that he told Harris that he (Harris) was a victim of a fraud. In fact NO ONE at the time could decipher Egyptian. Blaine: Anthon, not Anthod, may

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-13 Thread Blainerb473
Perry, Since you are converting to LDS beliefs, and giving up your job as moderator, :) you are going to have to get with it regards believing via the influence of the Holy Ghost, rather than the hard, tangible evidence you have in the past gotten used to demanding. I for one rely on the

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-13 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: Well, that's where the problem is, Perry. You see, there is real evidence. You are just not in tune with the spiritual channel that deals with this evidence. I can see that plainly. You are looking for an out, and anything you find, small or large,is good enough--as long as it

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-13 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: Oliver Granger got his name in the DC, and for that reason alone, he will fulfill the prophecy. Do you see my name in the DC? Nope. Do you see Dave's name in the DC? Nope. With twelve going on thirteen million readers of the DC, surely many of them will note this prophecy,

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-13 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/13/2005 2:09:44 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would think that we all choose to believe whatever based upon our view of the credibility of the "truth source" closest to us in terms of time and space. I mean, if Blaine was "born a

Re: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in...

2005-06-15 Thread Blainerb473
Of all the places in the US, Mormon missionaries have conistently received the poorest treatment in the South, in the areasometimes called the Bible Belt. Beatings, persecutions of all types, have been the mode of the day. Isthis just a coincidence, or what? Southern Baptists seem to have

Re: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in...

2005-06-16 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: What I had in mind mostly, Perry, was my first experience with a Southern Baptist--I had rented an aptartment Iowned in Midvale (located about 12 miles south of Salt lake City)to an SB man. Not knowing he was a SB, wetried talking to himregards religion, and were informed he was a

Re: [TruthTalk] Fwd: Not enough time nor patience

2005-06-16 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: For the sake of avoiding getting into a heated argument, I apologize for anything that you saw as being a deliberate attempt to "besmirch" you on TT, Brother Perry. However, I stillhave no explanation for Raymond and I having the same experience when we tried to unsubscribe from

Re: [TruthTalk] Fwd: Not enough time nor patience

2005-06-16 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/15/2005 9:12:46 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blaine, In the email below, did you intend to post those three pictures, plus Ray's new email address and your personal correspondence with him? or was that just a mistake? Just checking it out

Re: [TruthTalk] Fwd: Not enough time nor patience

2005-06-16 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: So! You are the one! I assumed that witness came from Perry. Poor ol' Perry, catching H--- for something he didn't even do! Thanks for clarifying it, however--for some reason, this becomes easier to handle knowing what actually happened. In a message dated 6/15/2005 9:28:33 PM

Re: [TruthTalk] Fwd: Not enough time nor patience

2005-06-16 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/15/2005 9:50:58 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't get me wrong -- Blaine was wrong IMO in the way this was handled. Should have been private. I could have handled this privately, andit mayhave been better to do so. However, I would

Re: [TruthTalk] Fwd: Not enough time nor patience

2005-06-16 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/15/2005 9:50:58 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was a part of their teachings back then that Temple marriages played a role in the new world you would receive; the god of this earth was not the main god. ? JD, Sorry you were turned

Re: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in...

2005-06-16 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/16/2005 6:02:25 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There's not a lot of history of tolerance in the South. Sorry to hear that. Just goes to show that not everyone who is a self-proclaimed "Christian" really behaves like Jesus. He would have

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-16 Thread Blainerb473
I liked this, Izzy. It sounds good to me. Very well written. Blainerb In a message dated 6/16/2005 7:52:42 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IMO the moral deterioration of America began with the hedonism of the '60's. It involved Women's Lib, the anti-war movement,

Re: [TruthTalk] Fwd: Not enough time nor patience

2005-06-16 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/16/2005 11:56:00 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was a part of their teachings back then that Temple marriages played a role in the new world you would receive Still the teachings of the Church. Blaine: True. But about the "god of this

Re: [TruthTalk] Fwd: Not enough time nor patience

2005-06-16 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/16/2005 11:57:30 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can you imagine ministersfeeling so threatened by such a young lad thatthey felt they had to attack him from the pulpit? So can you tell us why LDS feel so THREATENED by "Anti's"?

Re: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in...

2005-06-16 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/16/2005 12:03:09 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: believing Mormons literally developed horns when it got dark. :) Is that like Mormons believing that dark skinned persons became white when they got right? Blaine: The BoM does indicate

Re: [TruthTalk] Fwd: Not enough time nor patience

2005-06-16 Thread Blainerb473
Blainer:You have hit on the right issue, alright. There is a teaching in the LDS church that Satan for all practical purposes is the god of this world, ie., Lord of the spiritual wickedness that is "of the world," and not of God. In other words, Satan has a lot of power to work through the

Re: [TruthTalk] NYTimes.com: Revisiting '64 Civil Rights Deaths, This Time in...

2005-06-16 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/16/2005 12:47:15 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why was the BoM words changed to "PURE" Delightsome? BlaineActually I am not sure why they made the change. I just know they did such, as it used to read, "WHITE and delightsome." I suppose it

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-16 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/13/2005 5:43:39 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't follow along with this thread as much as I should. Is Oliver Granger a real character or is hesomeone who will receive the name "Oliver Granger?" I am not sure (emphasis on "not sure")

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah (for Kevin)

2005-06-17 Thread Blainerb473
Kevin, The key word here is "sacred" . . . which alludes to being associated with passages of sacred writ--such is the DC. In a message dated 6/16/2005 1:43:01 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Oliver Granger?" I am not sure (emphasis on "not sure") that

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-17 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: Yes, Mr Moderator, it was over the top. You and Kevin live there, it sometimes seems. In a message dated 6/14/2005 10:58:41 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mr. Moderator: This is over the top and, not necessary.L- Original Message - From: "Charles

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-17 Thread Blainerb473
Ohh, Judy, your biases are so showing! In post after post, you presume to knowso muchabout the Mormon religion. I am betting you actually know very little. If I am wrong, please supply me with a little real argument/evidence to show me you are truly in the know. The last time I called

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-17 Thread Blainerb473
In a message dated 6/14/2005 4:33:33 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, good grief! What is this, Political Correctness 101? I could throw up.Hey Blaine are you beliefs "profaned" by the pitter patter of littlefeeties??? Or should our little feeties pitter

Re: [TruthTalk] Hill Cumorah

2005-06-17 Thread Blainerb473
Blaine: So, give us a url. In a message dated 6/15/2005 1:16:21 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Anthon manuscript exists and is in the hands of the"Reorganized"LDS or Comm of ChristToday if we look at it, available online, we can easily see it is afraud!

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