+1 for Dewald getting his own session at Chirp! ;) (Seriously!)
On Apr 10, 2:49 pm, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe it's because I'm of the older generation, have been there and
done that, and have discovered that the top looks so green because of
all the crap that lies and
My twitter client will be ready in about a month. I hope I have unique
enough features to survive.
On 11 April 2010 02:27, Arnaud Meunier arnaud.meun...@twitoaster.comwrote:
+1 for the metaphors :)
We all know what Twitter would like to see. No surprise here, nothing
extraordinary, just
Nigel Legg wrote:
Dewalt, surely it's a bit early to say they are kaput? As far as I can see,
all twitter clients have their merits, and people tend to stick with the one
that does what they want it to do in the way they want it to do it. I find
it odd that, even though twitter has been
Hi Dewald,
But, there's a problem, and I hope I'm not the only seeing it.
you're not the only one seeing it ;-)
I guess the fact that Twitter clients played a major role in Twitter's
success is making this move so special. On the other hand, I think
it was inevitable, wasn't it? Twitter needs
Twitter has now displayed a distinctive predatorial stance towards the
developer ecosystem.
The ecosystem is encouraged to innovate, to expend time, effort, and
money to come up with new ideas and build services. When that
particular space proves to be successful and potentially rewarding,
the
Here's an interesting related thread on Twitter:
http://dld.bz/PGz
As well as this NY Times article:
http://dld.bz/PG5
where Evan Williams says, Twitter will continue to buy or develop
apps and features it needs, even if third-party developers already
provide them.
In support of what Raffi is saying, I think too many apps are supports for
Twitter (some call it filling holes). I think the more beneficial, and
long-term advantageous approach is instead to make Twitter a support for
your application. I hope this isn't seen as spam, but I wrote about this
last
Jesse,
There is a lot of merit in your point of view with regards to one's
core.
But, what that also means is the death of the ecosystem as we know it.
The ecosystem as we know it used to develop for Twitter, enhancing
the Twitter offering.
What you're proposing is a radical change, where one
On Apr 10, 2010, at 5:23, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote:
Twitter has now displayed a distinctive predatorial stance towards the
developer ecosystem.
Whoa now.
If by predatorial you mean makes strategic acquisitions in line
with their business goals then sure. See also: Google,
Nigel,
Other Twitter iPhone clients are now kaput. You cannot compete with
the official Twitter iPhone client, which is given away free of
charge. There are quite a few valued developers who are having a
very ruined day.
Clients like TweetDeck and Seesmic should still be okay, because they
are
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Nigel Legg nigel.l...@gmail.com wrote:
Surely all twitter developers are getting their success on the coattails of
Twitter, rather than twitter getting success on the coattails of the
developers?
This is a good point (is applies in my case, anyway). Had it not
If anyone would like to help withe the development of
http://www.thefrequency.tv -- which integrates a focused Twitter search
result feed but adds value above the social layer -- I would appreciate
it. The Pulitzer Center is using the site currently.
Allan Hoving
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 1:24 PM,
We shouldn’t “fill holes” anymore, Wilson said. The thing is Twitter
has deliberately kept a lot of holes opened, encouraging us to fill
them (and lots of applications have been doing it with innovation, by
the way).
Now we’re supposed to dig, create new holes, and fill them. Okay!
There are a
This also adds the question of if we developers start digging new holes what
is to stop Twitter from filling them in themselves?
Abraham
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 11:45, Arnaud Meunier arnaud.meun...@twitoaster.com
wrote:
We shouldn’t “fill holes” anymore, Wilson said. The thing is Twitter
has
On 04/10/2010 11:45 AM, Arnaud Meunier wrote:
We shouldn’t “fill holes” anymore, Wilson said. The thing is Twitter
has deliberately kept a lot of holes opened, encouraging us to fill
them (and lots of applications have been doing it with innovation, by
the way).
I don't know that it's
If you're an entrpreneur with strong ethical standards, then never
ever accept investment capital.
Investors could not give a shit about your ethical qualms or
objections, and they are most certainly not going to accept a lower
exit because of them If you don't play ball, they simply replace you
There are more colors (or shades of grey) in my world than just black and
white...
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote:
If you're an entrpreneur with strong ethical standards, then never
ever accept investment capital.
Investors could not give a shit
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote:
If you're an entrpreneur with strong ethical standards, then never
ever accept investment capital.
You cannot be serious.
Believe it or not there are ethical investors out there. Also,
bootstrapping a company that goes
Chad,
Sometimes (well, okay, almost always) I just don't feel like citing
all possible caveats to what I'm saying. I'm not writing here with
visions of possible literary grandeur, potential book deals, or
speaking engagements. I call shit like I see it. Sometimes I'm right,
sometimes I'm wrong.
Maybe it's because I'm of the older generation, have been there and
done that, and have discovered that the top looks so green because of
all the crap that lies and flies there, that I hold the opinions that
I do.
I can understand folks' ambitions to make it. I guess in a way it's
like a green
+1 for the metaphors :)
We all know what Twitter would like to see. No surprise here, nothing
extraordinary, just advices we already were aware of. I mean... Who
intended to code another photo sharing service or another desktop
client before these annoucements? I guess nobody.
Anybody who has
It's great for Loren.
But, there's a problem, and I hope I'm not the only seeing it.
Twitter has just kicked all the other developers of Twitter iPhone
(and iPad) clients in the teeth. Big time. Now suddenly their products
compete with a free product that carries the Twitter brand name, and
that
I am also happy for Loren, he deserves it based purely on the quality
of his product. I would like some clarification on the intended future
of Tweetie for OS X. The plans for the iPhone and iPad have been made
very very clear: stay away. Please clarify the plans for OS X.
But at this point I
Dewald,
I'm surprised that you failed to mention that Twitter can also advertise the
heck out of it on Twitter.com and via tweets etc - millions for further
development - and very significant marketing resources available too.
I disagree with your sentiment though. Twitter's free to build or
Twitter did this to BB clients too, today.
You think this is the last platform they'll do an Official Client on?
Take a look at the OS X music playback app market to see the future of
Twitter clients.
Here's the shirt for the Chirp keynote: http://spaz.spreadshirt.com/
Have fun in SF next
Congrats,
As a twitter user I'm intrigued. As a twitter developer I'm not hoping that
you are really close to a statement to reassure us all its ok and
maintaining an even playing field. Although renaming it Tweetie to Twitter
for iPhone is a hurtful (being THE twitter client relegates the others
Loren, congrats man. I think the best man won. Hard work and dedication to
perfection paid off in spades. You deserve the accolades (and the $$$).
Oh and everyone else? Thanks for playing. I'll catch you all next week on the
Facebook forums.
Anyone have the odds on who Twitter will pick
I am also happy for Loren, he deserves it based purely on the quality
of his product. I would like some clarification on the intended future
of Tweetie for OS X. The plans for the iPhone and iPad have been made
very very clear: stay away. Please clarify the plans for OS X.
Let's just say that
On 04/09/2010 07:44 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
I am also happy for Loren, he deserves it based purely on the quality
of his product. I would like some clarification on the intended future
of Tweetie for OS X. The plans for the iPhone and iPad have been made
very very clear: stay away. Please
Uh ... market implies that people will actually *pay* for something. I
haven't found that to be the case for command line tools. ;-) Don't know
about OS 9, though - last time I was asked to use one of those (summer
2004), I politely declined and did everything on my dual-booted Windows
XP /
Congrats Loren.
As for Tweetie for Mac. I would like to see it open sourced:
http://act.ly/1w1
http://act.ly/1w1Abraham
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 20:22, funkatron funkat...@gmail.com wrote:
On Apr 9, 10:58 pm, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zn...@comcast.net
wrote:
But that does raise an
On 04/09/2010 08:22 PM, funkatron wrote:
Define energy. Spaz has been out there and FOSS since mid 2007.
Moving off AIR and doing lots of other good things have been in my
plans for a long time, but open source in no way means people want to
help you. No one will be even close to your own
StatusNet is in an interesting position. They can't, and I don't think
have to, compete directly with Twitter. Offering both SAAS and self-
hosted opportunities is compelling, and they have a pretty strong dev
community. They already have Twitter and Facebook two-way bridges
built in, which means
the way that i usually explain twitter.com (the web site) is that it
embodies one particular experience of twitter. twitter.com needs to
implement almost every feature that twitter builds, and needs to implement
it in a way that is easy to use for the* lowest common denominator of user*.
this
It is, of course, possible to find niches here, and we can of course
come up with ideas that could work. I certainly am not debating that.
But you have to admit that this is a big, big bomb to drop in the
development community; bigger than anything since *maybe* the Summize
acquisition, and the
As a user and fellow developer I'm thrilled for Loren and what he's
achieved...
As a Twitter API and iPhone developer I'm shocked and feel like it's a
kick in the teeth to us all.
On Apr 10, 5:59 am, funkatron funkat...@gmail.com wrote:
It is, of course, possible to find niches here, and we can
On 04/09/2010 09:20 PM, Raffi Krikorian wrote:
- don't have time to sit and watch twitter 24/7/365. while i love to
scan through my timeline, frankly, that's a lot of content. can you
summarize it for me? can you do something better than chronological sort?
Yeah ... I think a fair
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