Hi Dennis
Thanks for looking into it and for your time in writing this down.
As I appreciate your (and everyone's) comments, don't take my tone wrong.
I'll just reply factually...
Xavier,
I have kept quiet about my opinion of TAOO until now. But
with all the stuff flying around, I
MisterX wrote:
I get frustrated after about 10 minutes and
throw whatever it is in the trash and think that I will wait
until you have it fixed and then look at it. Only problem is
that the story never seems to change.
That's because VERY VERY FEW people will reply with the issues
But Richard,
You miss the point that one can only do so much testing and still depend
lots on the user's feedback - user or tester alike! Look at Rev's bugzilla
database and how it helps them make happy users each release.
Which is why I haven't released much other than the working stacks and
Monsieurx.com is being revamped silently into Wiki and without the wacky
MisterX's adventure content.
You can come and preview the website at http://monsieurx.com/wiki
I think you will like it, it's more to the point and I'll be working hard to
make it easier to understand...
your comments
Aloha Xavier,
Link seems broken ;-/
Best,
Pierre
Le 16 oct. 05 à 10:02, MisterX a écrit :
Monsieurx.com is being revamped silently into Wiki and without the
wacky
MisterX's adventure content.
You can come and preview the website at http://monsieurx.com/wiki
I think you will like it,
Yep, I can see it, but can't navigate anywhere. I get Login Error
everywhere.
Firefox on WinXP
Pierre Sahores wrote:
Aloha Xavier,
Link seems broken ;-/
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Sivakatirswami wrote:
We see frequent mention of wikis here... if you haven't tried it or
just getting started with wiki's PMWiki is absolutely fabulous in
terms of flexibility, easy of admin and online support. 100% PHP but
you don't have to know a drop of PHP to get it up and running.
Maybe a good place to start with an open source community project
would be
for to build a RevCVS.
Am I crazy or what?
Not unless I am :) I used for a year of so CVS built into the
Metacard environment I wrote. All script suites were exported into
CVS, and individual handlers documented
that's very interesting!
Will it be in a library format ? ;)
startCVS
commitCVS
killCVS
loadCVS
replacethiswithCVSthat...
My script editor has a versioning with subversion however it's
stored into the control and not yet into a separate repository (ideally)...
cheers
Xavier
-Original
I have been using TikiWiki for nearly two years now - but lack the
functionality of web services that I had with Zope which means it is
harder to integrate the wiki into the Rev environment without some
hacking. MoinMoin is good too. The only wiki's that I know of other
than these which
On 16 Oct 2005, at 16:02, MisterX wrote:
that's very interesting!
Will it be in a library format ? ;)
startCVS
commitCVS
killCVS
loadCVS
replacethiswithCVSthat...
Taking a look... these are the bits that I implemented:
Add file to CVS
Check CVS log
Check CVS status
Check
Richard wrote:
If the user encounters annoyances before the utility of the
work is self-evident, one can harldy blame them for simply
moving on with their busy day.
MisterX replied:
But Richard,
You miss the point that one can only do so much testing and
still depend lots on the user's
(I asked a version of this earlier.) While my stack is running but at
some pause-point (while debugging, or while a modal dlg box is up),
1. in the Message Box, as soon as I type a blank space, the focus
disappears (goes somewhere else??), so I can't type any more until I
mouse-click in
I know this is a dumb question -- but I'm having a hard time
debugging a modal dialog box. What am I missing?
When the box is full, the Done button processes its data (and sends
it off to a MySQL database). But debugging the mouseUp script for
that button isn't working -- because when I
Xavier,
All I get is Login error, I tried for 15 min to get in, but had to
give up...
Dennis
On Oct 16, 2005, at 4:02 AM, MisterX wrote:
Monsieurx.com is being revamped silently into Wiki and without the
wacky
MisterX's adventure content.
You can come and preview the website at
Xavier,
I just tried again, and this time I can register and log in. Good.
Dennis
On Oct 16, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:
Xavier,
All I get is Login error, I tried for 15 min to get in, but had to
give up...
Dennis
On Oct 16, 2005, at 4:02 AM, MisterX wrote:
I didn't do much but I tried twice to log in and it worked!
Wiki baffles me sometimes...
I thought this would be easier than PHPNuke or Typo3.com...
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Dennis Brown
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 6:13
The function always returns a number that is less than 3. Can someone
explain why this is or offer another way to determine the angle of a
line? Math is NOT my strength.
There are two scales used to measure angle
- degrees (from 0 to 360 for the complete circle)
- radians (from 0 to pi for
isn't that vaporware ? ;)
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Judy Perry
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 2:39 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO [|Not so Short]
Or, sell it for what people think
Xavier,
After reading your new introduction on the wiki page. Something
clicks. If I understand what TAOO is supposed to be, I can relate it
to Forth. Forth is a low level but extensible language and IDE from
about 30 years ago. In Forth you write a definition for a named
routine
Hi All.
In the rev docs there is a colournames stack with coloured boxes. In mose
windows apps there is a window with colours to chose.
Is there a stack available that my end-users can use to choose the colour of the
stack background etc etc afte I distribute it?
Or do I make my own. The app is
Is there a stack available that my end-users can use
to choose the colour of the stack background etc etc
afte I distribute it?
Or do I make my own. The app is shareware.
All the best
Bob
Bob,
answer color will show the color selection stack.
Roger Eller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
answer color will show the color selection stack.
Actually, it calls the default color selector window for the OS, not a
stack.
Roger Eller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Richard wrote:
If the user encounters annoyances before the utility of the
work is self-evident, one can harldy blame them for simply
moving on with their busy day.
MisterX replied:
But Richard,
You miss the point that one can only do so much testing and
still
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
answer color will show the color selection stack.
Actually, it calls the default color selector window for the OS, not a
stack.
Thanks for the quick reply. i just noticed that via looking at someone elses
stack scriptsShould be simpler than a websearch and
On 10/15/05 3:40 PM, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You can solve little things like moving around files and integrating
them into the master build as you go.
That stuff is easy.
The hard part is retaining and utilizing human energy.
I think this is exactly why some type of CVS
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
answer color will show the color selection stack.
Actually, it calls the default color selector window for the OS, not a
stack.
Thanks for the quick reply. i just noticed that via looking at someone elses
stack scriptsShould be
Todd Geist wrote:
On 10/15/05 3:40 PM, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You can solve little things like moving around files and integrating
them into the master build as you go.
That stuff is easy.
The hard part is retaining and utilizing human energy.
I think this is exactly why
david-
Sunday, October 16, 2005, 6:47:08 AM, you wrote:
CVS does not handle binaries so well, so to keep track with the open
CVS actually handles binaries *very* poorly, usually resulting in file
corruption, in my experience. CVS was explicitly written to deal with
text files, and the binary
On 16 Oct 2005, at 20:06, Mark Wieder wrote:
Funny, I just started down the road of moving my rev version control
over to subversion, too. But I'd happily give that up if you can get
this running in the next month or so.
So your offering to help :)
On 16 Oct 2005, at 20:06, Richard Gaskin
I guess we all have one cvs system ;)
I got a cvs in my script editor - recorded as a tag into the controls (easy
to remove for release).
A cvs stack database logs all changes (same format as usual turned into cvs
useful)
next is the historical log changes
The undo journaling and change
MisterX wrote:
There is a ratio of bugs to understandable usefulness.
Raise that quotient for TAOO and its adoption rate
will change.
very nicely said!
implacable logic too
If that level of effort doesn't seem worthwhile to you,
you may have to be content shipping commercialy successfuly
david bovill wrote:
So why not go with the flow - horses for courses? Is there a way of
combining Magic Carpet with the interest to develop an SVN / CVS
integration into the Rev environment?
One man's flow is another man's impedence. ;)
If others like CVS then there's nothing stopping them
MisterX wrote:
Judy wrote:
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or as good marketing people also say:
Sell the sizzle not the steak.
What it is counts for little, what it does is everything. Or as
good marketing people put it:
Never list a feature without describing its benefits.
What
Recently, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can also change the backgroundcolor by setting it to the color of
card 1 (when
it is created).
How do I set the backgroundcolor of all cards to the same color as card one. I
suppose I could have an opencard handler ut i don't want to script this in on
Recently, I replied:
I can also change the backgroundcolor by setting it to the color of
card 1 (when
it is created).
How do I set the backgroundcolor of all cards to the same color as card one.
I
suppose I could have an opencard handler ut i don't want to script this in on
all cards.
Ben,
If the application is updating application components, these
components should reside in the application folder. This may be
in the application package, on MacOS X. It would be best if the
update would take place after permission of the user and
optionally after entering the master
And, of course, it _was_ a joke _ ;-) _
Except for the fact that it was based on a real shampoo commercial. @;-)
Judy
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Judy wrote:
Or, sell it for what people think it will do for them ala
use this shampoo and you can have your own 'When Harry
Hello, I am new to revolution 2.6.1. I was wondering if there are any books
or online tutorials for beginners.
I know that there is are the videos tutorials and the sample works. But is
there anything out there that explains
the programming language in detail.
Thanks
Kevin
Dennis-
Sunday, October 16, 2005, 9:58:04 AM, you wrote:
to Forth. Forth is a low level but extensible language and IDE from
Forth? (Running over to x's web site to check it out...) Forth is as
close to the metal as you can get without writing in ones and zeros.
One of the weaknesses of
Hi all,
inspired by Mark and with the help of Wouter I have put together a
little stack. You find it in Revonline.
User: Malte
Stack: mini bitmap editor
Category: programming
It allows to set colored squares in a 32 by 32 grid and calculate a 32
by 32 Pixel image from it. That was fun. :-)
Hi Kevin,
If you progress on the learning curve you will find that the online
docs are very useful. Esp. the dictionary. But I admit you need to have
a vague idea of what you are searching for. In addition there is Dan
Shafers book and his mini eBook series you can purchase.
You might also
Where can I find Dans book. Your Ebook is helping alot. I am looking more
for something that explains the language more the the program its self.
On 10/16/05, Malte Brill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Kevin,
If you progress on the learning curve you will find that the online
docs are very
Richard-
Sunday, October 16, 2005, 12:40:59 PM, you wrote:
One man's flow is another man's impedence. ;)
LOL
For myself, I think Magic Carpet got it right for the sorts of workflows
I find myself involved in: it's stack-based rather than script- or
object-based, and in the projects I
Richard-
Sunday, October 16, 2005, 10:55:59 AM, you wrote:
Magic Carpet's been around for a while, and many of us have written
...and it's about time someone posted the url...
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/MagicCarpetCover/default.htm
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Is there any PDF manuals for Revolution?
I looked in the runrev website but coudn't find them
Ben
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OK I registered, logged in, and edited the opening portion of What
Make TAOO Interesting? Read it over and see if it is still accurate.
I think you'll agree it reads better.
The second item on that page starts TAOO's goal is provide
information at your fingertips. I tried to add a comment
Dennis.
Gawd, do I hope you're wrong about the parallel with FOrth! :-D
Forth and LISP are the only two programming languages I ever
attempted to learn and just gave up on. If TAOO is like Forth, I'm
going to go back to programming in object assembler. It'll be less
painful.
(Just
David
Aha! Another (ex?) Zopista lurks.
WHy did you abandon ZOpe (assuming you did)? And have you looked at
Zwiki, a Wiki done in Zope?
Dan
On Oct 16, 2005, at 7:26 AM, david bovill wrote:
I have been using TikiWiki for nearly two years now - but lack the
functionality of web
Kevin.
Thanks for your interest in my book.
You can order the eBook version of my book from the following URL:
http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech/tech1_speedthought.html
You'll get an immediate download of a SmartEBook, which is explained
on that page and which means, among other
The manuals are not available in PDF. I think you can still order
printed copies of them, however.
At one point, there was a Rev stack that converted existing docs
online into a PDF but I don't know if that's been maintained or not.
On Oct 16, 2005, at 8:02 PM, Benjamin Pastrana wrote:
Dan,
I realize that Forth is arcane. However, it is simple to grasp the
concept behind it, and it is the only language I ever used (albeit
for only a few days 25 years ago), that is inherently extensible
(and re-definable). In fact if you don't extend the language, you
would have a
can't help you, sorry. new to this myself. downloaded it for the first time
today
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preferences:
Sorry, Richard, I probably don't completely understand your question.
I'd guess you were once a HC user, but maybe not. SS stands for
searchscript. It was a script that shipped with hyperCard, in the
home stack. It was invoked by typing SS into the msg box. It searched
for a string in every
Thanks for the link Dan I will probably be buying it some where around the
21st.
On 10/16/05, Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin.
Thanks for your interest in my book.
You can order the eBook version of my book from the following URL:
Thank you guys for posting the find script for message box. I've been trying
to get that done for a year. Now for a related question. In hypercard you
could build a standalone which included a message box. Can this be
done in Rev?
Jack
Sorry, I don't know. Someone else will.
It's too bad
Mark,
One of the great things about Forth was the overhead of just a few
machine language instructions to execute a high level function call.
Transcript seems to require a trip around the world to jump next
door. For GUI speed stuff, it would not be a problem, but for my
array
In 1980 I worked with Kenny Jones (now at Digital Domain) at a place
called New World Pictures. We worked on a machine called the Elicon,
a camera control robot that was programmed in FORTH, and made movie
special effects for Roger Corman and others.
It was a beautiful piece of work - dc
Richard-
Sunday, October 16, 2005, 10:55:59 AM, you wrote:
Magic Carpet's been around for a while, and many of us have written
...and it's about time someone posted the url...
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/MagicCarpetCover/default.htm
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Richard-
Sunday, October 16, 2005, 10:55:59 AM, you wrote:
Magic Carpet's been around for a while, and many of us have written
...and it's about time someone posted the url...
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/MagicCarpetCover/default.htm
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
For anyone interested, the modifications I made to Jim's original function
will now return a negative or positive angle that can be used to set the
angle property of an image object. This is great for rotating an image by
simply drawing a line object at the angle you desire.
function
/ The function always returns a number that is less than 3. Can someone
// explain why this is or offer another way to determine the angle of a
// line? Math is NOT my strength.
//
//
// There are two scales used to measure angle
// - degrees (from 0 to 360 for the complete circle)
// -
I've already got a (clumsy) work around, but I thought it was an interesting
question, so I ask the group:
I've used revGoUrl to open user's browers to some particular cgi:
revGoURL http://someplace.com/something.cgi?parameters=whatever;
This seems to be a GET command (the '?' indicates that,
Stephen-
Sunday, October 16, 2005, 6:47:15 PM, you wrote:
I also liked a feature of Hypercard that was like forth - you could
redefine and intercept a lower level handler using the same name. I
guess it was a design decision to not allow that in Transcript
but why?
Yes, that's the
Dennis-
Sunday, October 16, 2005, 6:27:04 PM, you wrote:
One of the great things about Forth was the overhead of just a few
machine language instructions to execute a high level function call.
Yep - it's hard to beat an indirect stack pop for speed.
Transcript seems to require a trip around
Mark and Richard,
Thanks for the kind words about MagicCarpet. I agree, it's not
everything for everybody, but it is used by a lot of Rev'ers to help
manage their code.
Also, little known about MagicCarpet is it's ability to automate
updating of applications via the MGC SplashScreen app.
So multiply by (180 / pi)
Alex,
I was able to get the function to work with your earlier suggestion multiply
by (360/ pi), but using 180 makes it whack out (that's a technical term) no
matter
what I try. ;-)
Roger Eller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sorry, Richard, I probably don't completely understand your question.
I'd guess you were once a HC user, but maybe not. SS stands for
searchscript. It was a script that shipped with hyperCard, in the home
stack. It was invoked by typing SS into the msg box. It searched
Mark Wieder wrote:
What I'm interested in, though, is opening up a path to a more
granular approach to rev development. If you don't need to get more
atomic than one stack-one developer then you're home free. But if
you've got complex projects and need to have developers check out an
object from
Colleagues and Friends...
- 31,299 lines of code
- 1,099 handlers
- 357 tested versions
- a script property editor with tabbed browsing in one window
- 49 preferences
It is my pleasure to inform you that the 1.0.0 version of
Constellation has just been released and is available for purchase
On Oct 16, 2005, at 6:47 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:
I also liked a feature of Hypercard that was like forth - you could
redefine and intercept a lower level handler using the same name. I
guess it was a design decision to not allow that in Transcript
but why?
I believe it's
On Oct 17, 2005, at 12:49 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
Well, the Forth kernel doesn't take up much space - there are a few
implementations in C available - it might be fun to throw one of the
embedded forths into an external library, but I expect you could count
the interested target group on one
Jerry,
If I could write 31,300 lines of Thanks, I'd do it I remember
falling in love with Rev when I first understood mchttpd.mc and
realized the power of xTalk... now I think is the second time, not
only Constellation but the whole plugin suite is a must-have addition
to everyone!!!
Hi,
Getting the fontnames returns the name of Japanse (and Korean etc)
fonts in what appears to be SJIS format and therefore unreadable as is.
These can be converted to unicode with the uniencode function. However,
there is also an english name, viz. one that uses just the roman
alphabet
Stephen Barncard wrote:
I also liked a feature of Hypercard that was like forth - you could
redefine and intercept a lower level handler using the same name. I
guess it was a design decision to not allow that in Transcript but why?
Speed. Raney wouldn't put it in, and now that I'm used
Charles Hartman wrote:
(I asked a version of this earlier.) While my stack is running but at
some pause-point (while debugging, or while a modal dlg box is up),
1. in the Message Box, as soon as I type a blank space, the focus
disappears (goes somewhere else??), so I can't type any more
Charles Hartman wrote:
I know this is a dumb question -- but I'm having a hard time debugging
a modal dialog box. What am I missing?
When the box is full, the Done button processes its data (and sends
it off to a MySQL database). But debugging the mouseUp script for that
button isn't
that's possible! but forth wasn't in mind though I did try long ago
a forth language on my first mac named Neon... If anyone remembers it!
cheers
Xavier
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Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005
well part of the reason I brought this into the open is to get help with
making this work in body and soul ;)
If I do it alone, I can get a large part done (given time) but without
other's input, it wont be as useful for others...
at least that's the spirit behind :)
cheers
Xavier
you got it!
It's not forth programming with stacks though!
The name = object stuff was cleverly left out!
cheers
Xavier
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Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 6:58 PM
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Subject:
Richard,
I agree, but like you, I tend to work alone, or with 1 other programmer.
One of the things I really like about Rev, is the longer you program
with it, the more it reveals itself as a fundamentally sound architecture.
Case in point. The reason I developed MagicCarpet initially was
Ah Neon. It was the first language I bought for the Mac. It was object
oriented and everything.
I never could get the hang of it though - just awful. Too bad. I always
wanted to say. I program in neon.
Bill
On Oct 16, 2005, at 9:58 PM, MisterX wrote:
that's possible! but forth wasn't in
Jerry,
Congratulations...thought that baby would never drop:-)
For those of you who don't know, Constellation has been in development
for well over a year. It's certainly a labor of love for the time he's
put into it (multiple hours every day). I guarantee there's not another
Rev programmer
I think the key semantic difference is
Hypercard 'find' as command F
Rev 'Find Replace' dialog box [a different animal] as command F
In my opinion, the Rev Find Replace is a more powerful set of tools and
provides the ability to locate hits across stacks, as well as containers,
producing a
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