[USMA:43340] Re: Metric NWS forecasts

2009-03-02 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 02 March 2009 19:38:08 James Frysinger wrote: I have already communicated (nicely, of course) with the webmaster about writing km/h instead of kmh and about adding units for the Celsius temperature values. Who can we talk with about making verbal forecasts, such as are displayed by

[USMA:43183] Re: true metrication is systemic

2009-02-22 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 22 February 2009 07:42:17 John M. Steele wrote: Nutrition labeling is defined under different laws and rules but also by the FDA. Note that the serving size MUST contain a metric reference and this is the serving actually analyzed.  It must ALSO contain a reference to familiar

[USMA:43197] Re: true metrication is systemic

2009-02-22 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 22 February 2009 09:55:55 Jeremiah MacGregor wrote: I would guess the 240 mL amount is chosen because that is the amount the laboratory used as a sample to come up with the amount of fats and sugars and what-not that is in the sample.  The one cup or 8 fl oz is just the

[USMA:43201] Re: true metrication is systemic

2009-02-22 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 22 February 2009 10:02:51 John M. Steele wrote: It certainly wouldn't bother me if it changed in the right direction. Given what Congress has done to other metric initiatives (highways), we might find all the nutrition info in pennyweights and grains. I haven't tracked down all

[USMA:43237] Re: discussion of Food Marketing Institute objections to metric-only labeling option

2009-02-22 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 22 February 2009 21:37:05 Michael Payne wrote: I've come across this example multiple times, especially on items in the fresh produce section where you can get items packaged and loose. What's worse, as I've mentioned before, is a pint of tomatoes (551 ml) versus loose tomatoes

[USMA:43176] Re: discussion of Food Marketing Institute objections to metric-only labeling option

2009-02-21 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 21 February 2009 08:36:31 Jeremiah MacGregor wrote: θ In addition to unit pricing, a metric-only option will also impact UPC codes and price advertising as well as nutrition information and recipe programs. How?  The product UPC code shouldn't change and nutrition is already

[USMA:43083] Re: discussion of Food Marketing Institute objections to metric-only labeling option

2009-02-19 Thread Pierre Abbat
FMI wrote: The majority of consumers do not understand metric measurements. Consumers have had enough exposure to liter and half-liter bottles of water and olive oil, 750 ml bottles of wine and oil, and 2 l bottles of pop to understand what a liter is. Measuring cups have been graduated in

[USMA:43075] Re: Fwd: Re: Amendment to FPLA

2009-02-18 Thread Pierre Abbat
Ken Butcher wrote: Also, the Food Marketing Institute continues to maintain their   opposition to the proposed FPLA amendment and they said at a meeting   last fall that they would not reconsider.  I doubt that Congress will   consider or adopt the proposed amendment to FPLA until FMI changes

[USMA:42990] Re: Action: We urgently need your help on the stimulus packge

2009-02-13 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 13 February 2009 03:10:32 Paul Armstrong wrote: Currently, the stimulus package is being reconciled by a committee appointed from the House and Senate. I just downloaded the seventh (and apparently latest) version of the bill. metric occurs only in objectives, milestones, and

[USMA:42991] Re: Action: We urgently need your help on the stimulus packge

2009-02-13 Thread Pierre Abbat
Forgot to put the URL. Here it is: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c111:7:./temp/~c111areKDb:: If that doesn't work, look for HR1. phma

[USMA:42994] Re: Action: We urgently need your help on the stimulus packge

2009-02-13 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 13 February 2009 10:17:11 Nat Hager III wrote: I'm watching that one too, to see what the final call is on NSF funding. http://thomas.loc.gov/ But I don't see the final pdf posted, and even at that neither the House nor Senate versions posted earlier said anything about metric.

[USMA:42896] Re: ectare was: An Associated Press article

2009-02-06 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 06 February 2009 08:20:05 Jon Saxton wrote: I respectfully disagree. There is a fundamental problem with the rule of 1000 when applied to powers of units.  Rule of 1000 becomes rule of 1 000 000 for area and rule of 1 000 000 000 for volume so it is fairly obvious that we need

[USMA:42899] Re: ectare

2009-02-06 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 06 February 2009 13:50:49 Martin Vlietstra wrote: Should we be talking about the rule of 1000 or the rule of 10^(N•M) where N is the power of the unit concerned and M is an integer of our choice. In most cases = 1, so we can set M = 3. In the case of volumes, N = 3, so if we set M

[USMA:42879] Re: Fwd: RE: Difficulty of calculating steel members?

2009-02-04 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 14:54:24 Howard Ressel wrote: This was a bit back but i received a response from a structural engineer friend of mine and he tends to agree. -- Go for a Metric America Howard Ressel Project Design Engineer, Region 4 (585) 272-3372 I would agree that

[USMA:42826] Re: using the USMA Listserver

2009-02-02 Thread Pierre Abbat
Also, please write your reply below, not above, the paragraph or sentence, not entire message, that you are replying to. If you are replying to many messages at once (at least if they're all in the same thread), edit them all into one message. That will reduce the load on our inboxes (every

[USMA:42821] Re: Hot and dry

2009-02-02 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 02 February 2009 01:08:32 Martin Vlietstra wrote: Jerry, The only place that I have seen the 12 hour clock used on public transport in the last 25 years is US airline websites – I have never been to the US. CATS, the bus system here, uses the 12-hour clock. I asked them to use

[USMA:42765] RE: Hot and dry

2009-02-01 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 01 February 2009 11:33:23 Martin Vlietstra wrote: BTW, a quick way to generate a ° on a Microsoft system is to ensure that “Num Lock” is on, and then enter 0176 on the numeric keypad while pressing the Alt key. On Unix, if you have a Compose key in your keyboard layout (mine is the

[USMA:42685] Re: REALLY using the SI

2009-01-31 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 31 January 2009 03:56:26 Martin Vlietstra wrote: The single apostrophe is the symbol for seconds of arc. No, the single prime means arc minutes. The double prime means arc seconds. Pierre

[USMA:42730] Re: REALLY using the SI

2009-01-31 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 31 January 2009 09:41:36 Jeremiah MacGregor wrote: Martin, I had forgotten, but there can be no mistake or misunderstanding when it is repeated in a series of numbers.  But as i said it may already be in use in some countries.  I've seen desktop calculators use the apostrophe

[USMA:42731] Re: Hot and dry

2009-01-31 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 31 January 2009 09:27:44 Jeremiah MacGregor wrote: Pat, When the media forecasts the weather do they also use tenths of a degree?  When people communicate weather information do they also use tenths of a degree?  Is it really necessary to use tenths for consumers? I've stood in

[USMA:42664] Re: Going metric would be nice global gesture | ajc.com

2009-01-30 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 30 January 2009 23:02:00 Jeremiah MacGregor wrote: Pat, Is there any language other then English where there is a spelling dimlema such as this? I don't know if there's another language where the word for meter or liter is spelled two ways, but there are languages where large

[USMA:42667] Re: Calories and kilojoules?

2009-01-30 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 30 January 2009 23:37:25 David wrote: How long after the initial metrication would it take for food companies to start using joules/kilojoules instead of calories? (They would use kilojoules and not just joules, correct?) Even if people don't use centimeters or kilograms in their

[USMA:42668] RE: Hot and dry

2009-01-30 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 30 January 2009 23:46:53 Jeremiah MacGregor wrote: Kim, That couldn't have been right.  Sustained exposure to temperatures in excess of 50 C can be deadly.  No one could live in an environment of 62 C.  Are you sure you saw the thermometer clearly? The thermometer was exposed to

[USMA:42493] Re: Judicious list use

2009-01-25 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 25 January 2009 08:57:41 Jeremiah MacGregor wrote: Victor, I'll try and remember that when I get to my 1000-th post.  If I lose count, can I trust you to remind me? He's being silly ;) The real rule of 1000, which isn't a cast-in-concrete rule, is to use a unit which is a power of

[USMA:42591] Re: ectare was: An Associated Press article

2009-01-25 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 25 January 2009 20:24:12 STANLEY DOORE wrote: Hectare is just another name and conversion to learn, remember and visualize. I think the hectare ought to be scrapped. If any unit of area should have a special name, it's the dunam, or stremma, which is 1000 m²*, which follows the

[USMA:42382] Re: Is there any literature on metrication in the US aimed at immigrants?

2009-01-20 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 20 January 2009 15:21:43 mech...@illinois.edu wrote: Could there be an electronic data entry and storage problem for lifetime medical records containing both grams and kilograms? The mass should always be stored in the same unit. It could be stored as an unsigned int in grams or as

[USMA:42386] Re: Entering patient data was: Is there any literature

2009-01-20 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 20 January 2009 17:17:02 Martin Vlietstra wrote: Writing as an IT professional, any electronic data that is stored needs to be clearly documented. The documentation would make clear the format and the units that are used for data storage. The application would determine the

[USMA:42378] Re: Is there any literature on metrication in the US aimed at immigrants?

2009-01-19 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 19 January 2009 12:37:07 Jason Darfus wrote: The idea for the customer flyer would have to be simple and to the point if there's going to be enough room for multiple languages to include English, Spanish, French, Hindi, Arabic, Russian. It's nice that the symbols are the same in

[USMA:42354] Is there any literature on metrication in the US aimed at immigrants?

2009-01-18 Thread Pierre Abbat
The church yesterday held a health screening where they checked our cholesterol, glucose, and other signs. After getting my blood glucose checked, I went to another station which had a digital scale (pèse-personne). I stepped on it and it showed my mass in pounds, which is meaningless to me,

[USMA:42357] Re: Is there any literature on metrication in the US aimed at immigrants?

2009-01-18 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 18 January 2009 16:39:48 Paul Trusten, R.Ph. wrote: 1)Celsius orders 2)Celsius thermometers 3)Celsius-educated staff What do you mean by Celsius orders? Which of those should come first? Saturday morning on Parents' Journal there was a segment on premature babies, and the speaker

[USMA:42328] Re: Change-over period to the metric system the aviation industry.

2009-01-12 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 12 January 2009 15:58:06 Bill Hooper wrote: Some things would take longer because of durable goods that it are too expensive just to throw out because it is not metric; think my house. You're not going to tear down your house that was built to olde English standards just because you

[USMA:42303] Re: the metric system, bureaucracy, and, uh, sodomy?

2009-01-10 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 10 January 2009 23:26:23 James Frysinger wrote: You know what that's a sine of! Jim Bill Potts wrote: Oh, I knew a pole was not ten feet. However, my mind just went off on a tangent. Secant you shall find... Pierre

[USMA:42270] Re: Rule of 1000

2009-01-06 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 06 January 2009 09:19:58 Tom Wade wrote: (A) the requirement is to metricate public reports about people's height (e.g. missing persons). Do you still say use millimeter ? Meters to the nearest centimeter for people taller than a meter, meters to the nearest millimeter for shorter

[USMA:42259] Re: Rule of 1000

2009-01-05 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 05 January 2009 12:34:48 Robert H. Bushnell wrote: Tom, You argue too much. You want science to do public policy. I want simple examples. I say use millimeter. Example: Say I build an intersection of roads. I lay out the curbs in millimeters, 30 000 mm apart. Then I

[USMA:42227] Re: ObamaOTC

2008-12-30 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 30 December 2008 17:49:31 Harry Wyeth wrote: Good to see this, but there does not appear to be any mention of our interests on change.gov I searched Obama's platform, and the only mention of metric was a home ownership metric, or something like that. Pierre

[USMA:42191] Re: Rule of 1000

2008-12-16 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 03 December 2008 21:41:04 Pat Naughtin wrote: I have never seen a decent formulation of the 'rule of 1000' and I   don't believe that the 'Rule of 1000' ever really had much direct   relevance during any metrication transition except insofar as it   tended to favor choices of

[USMA:42184] Re: EIA not metric

2008-12-14 Thread Pierre Abbat
I got the following answer from someone else at the EIA: Thank you for your inquiry to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA). As of late, we will continue with our standards as is.  For additional information, please see the link below.   The following is the URL where you can

[USMA:42147] Re: Swimming pool going metric (partially)

2008-12-06 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 06 December 2008 17:13:44 Mark Bollinger wrote: I am new to this list, but I thought you might find this interesting. This is from my local YMCA in North Carolina. Welcome to the list. I'm in Charlotte. Where are you? Pierre

[USMA:42078] Re: Water in Liters

2008-11-28 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 28 November 2008 17:15:15 Bill Hooper wrote: This is not just a matter of deciding which unit has advantages over the other; the units mg/dL measures something different from what is measured in mol/L. It's like arguing that bushels are better or worse than pounds when buying

[USMA:42045] Re: Integrating infrastructure rebuilding with metrication

2008-11-25 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 24 November 2008 16:20:23 Martin Vlietstra wrote: I saw a posting on the USMA website a few months ago that the keynote speaker at the launch of the USMA (in 1916?) was Madame Montessori. My sister did a Montessori teaching course. For those who do not know of the system , it is

[USMA:42033] Re: Integrating infrastructure rebuilding with metrication

2008-11-24 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 23 November 2008 23:44:56 STANLEY DOORE wrote: No Exra. We need you and others to get local school systems to teach and use the SI in ALL science courses and classes Prek-12. That's grass roots and the most effective way while the USMA does its thing which individuals can't

[USMA:42017] Mexican mixup

2008-11-22 Thread Pierre Abbat
We had a program at church in which we presented the countries we're from. The last such program, which was two or three years ago before the church split, I gave the area of the USA as about nine square megameters (eight for the lower 48 and one for Alaska), one square megameter being about

[USMA:41969] Re: the ghost of centigrade

2008-11-14 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 14 November 2008 11:54:54 Paul Trusten wrote: For those contributing to the listserver from the U.S.: do you, also, see centigrade lingering on in the national vocabulary? I think I've heard it from my hydro prof, but I'm not sure right now. I do hear it from Hispanics when speaking

[USMA:41915] Re: Help urge the President-elect to support metric

2008-11-09 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 08 November 2008 14:10:27 Ziser, Jesse wrote: President-elect Obama has a new website with a form that asks visitors for their ideas. I know what my idea is. I know the chances of a few web form submissions actually influencing policy are not terribly great, but given that it

[USMA:41896] Re: Separation Work Unit

2008-10-31 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 31 October 2008 19:20:43 Harry Wyeth wrote: Anyone heard of a separation work unit (SWU)? According to an article I read, they are units of uranium enrichment capacity. To power nuclear generating plants, natural uranium has to be enriched, and the world enrichment capacity is

[USMA:41843] Metric Week report

2008-10-11 Thread Pierre Abbat
A few weeks ago, I told my hydro prof that Metric Week was coming up and gave him some suggestions. They don't seem to have had much effect. Most of surveying makes equally good sense in feet or meters, so I didn't bother telling him. We have been doing combined factor calculations in meters,

[USMA:41835] Re: Spelling metre or meter

2008-10-09 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Thursday 09 October 2008 13:04:21 Ziser, Jesse wrote: Ha! Nice suggestion about dropping the e entirely: metr. Aren't there some Eastern European languages that spell it that way? There are. Polish and Czech both use that spelling, as do Welsh and Breton. The slide show about sizes, if I

[USMA:41755] Re: hydraulics in metric

2008-09-25 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Thursday 25 September 2008 17:11:24 Martin Vlietstra wrote: Hi Pierre, As I said, I am not a hydraulic engineer. However, you stated that there are many different types of head. Can you add these types of head up (either as scalars or as vectors)? If so, they must all be in the same

[USMA:41748] hydraulics in metric

2008-09-24 Thread Pierre Abbat
I'm taking hydraulics. The prof introduced the concept of head, which is energy divided by weight and has units of length. There are potential head (which is simply elevation), kinetic head, pressure head, and head loss (to friction or viscosity). When doing hydraulics in metric, do you use

[USMA:41752] Re: hydraulics in metric

2008-09-24 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 24 September 2008 14:54:06 Martin Vlietstra wrote: Pierre, From my limited knowledge of hydraulics, but with a degree in physics, I would suggest that the head should ideally be measured in pascals - after all what you are measuring is a pressure. In the case of a static head,

[USMA:41724] Re: PLSS Public Land Survey System

2008-09-16 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 21:41:13 Pat Naughtin wrote: Dear All, You might be interested in this clear description of the PLSS the Public Land Survey System used in many parts of the USA. They write: The Public Land Survey System (PLSS) is a method used in the United States to survey and

[USMA:41660] Anyone know a good hydrology/hydraulics book?

2008-09-03 Thread Pierre Abbat
I was waiting for my surveying class to start and my hydro prof came by. He said he hadn't had time to evaluate the textbook (he's new to the college) and is using it because that's what we've been using here. He doesn't like the book because it doesn't cover the material he wants to teach. I

[USMA:41656] Re: How not to convert to metric

2008-09-02 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 02 September 2008 19:42:03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I pass this along from the UKMA web site. Both the posting and the comment hit the nail on the head. Ezra http://www.metricviews.org.uk/2008/09/02/do-schools-entrench-vbm/ My homework for today was about pressures: given a

[USMA:41638] textbook error

2008-08-30 Thread Pierre Abbat
I started a course of hydrology, and before the first class I noticed a mistake in the textbook: the unit of absolute viscosity is given as kg-s/m². I know that viscosity is measured in pascal seconds, and when I took his explanation of a sliding plate viscometer and figured it out, it came out

[USMA:41598] RE: Olympics

2008-08-17 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 17 August 2008 14:39:44 Bill Potts wrote: In the meantime, the word pigheaded keeps springing to mind. Or should that be hogsheaded? ;) Pierre

[USMA:41562] Re: Slow metrication

2008-08-09 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 09 August 2008 04:46:29 Pat Naughtin wrote: Essentially, the techniques you need to go so slowly toward metrication can be summarised as: 1 Encourage the idea and practice of metric conversion. How would you handle a field where, were everyone to metricate right now, data in

[USMA:41559] Re: Metric Day 2008 should be cautious activism

2008-08-08 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 05 August 2008 15:06:00 Harry Wyeth wrote: I have been working with a surveyor to mark out a new 10 km race course locally. He seems unable to measure in SI. We discuss distances, and we are in different universes. I say that we are 200 m short, and he wants to convert it into

[USMA:41485] natural gas

2008-07-23 Thread Pierre Abbat
I'm writing my message to the EIA, whose page gives figures for natural gas in cubic feet. If it can be measured in cubic feet, it can be measured in liters, but being a gas, shouldn't it be measured in kilograms like hydrogen? (Resending because my message appears to have been lost.) Pierre

[USMA:41437] Re: architecture drawing with regard to the metric system

2008-07-16 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 16 July 2008 11:05:26 James Frysinger wrote: I stumbled across an interesting web page on architecture drawing with regard to the metric system. See http://academics.triton.edu/faculty/fheitzman/metric.html I will leave it to others to explore this if they are interested. The

[USMA:41385] Re: Impressions of a Futurecar - FlowChart (usnews.com)

2008-07-10 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Thursday 10 July 2008 04:31:35 Nat Hager III wrote: Hydrogen car article in US News... Kilograms per what? The Hydrogen 7 has one of those onboard computers that display your fuel efficiency-for both gasoline and hydrogen. Gas mileage, of course, is measured in the familiar mpg. But

[USMA:41353] RE: symbols vs. abbreviations

2008-07-09 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 09 July 2008 00:35:47 Martin Vlietstra wrote: A power supply of 1 mW can power a hearing aid, while 1 MW can power the air conditioning system of a small building. 1 mL fits in a thimble. 1 ML is the volume of the four apartments in this building put together. I see that error

[USMA:41307] Re: Brazil - Brasil - BRAZZIL - How Brazilians Can Speak Proper English - Portuguese and English Language - March 2002

2008-07-01 Thread Pierre Abbat
I read a newspaper when I was in Brazil, and the oil sales were reported in barris. Pierre

[USMA:41139] Re: Associated Press Style Guide is working against us.

2008-06-16 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 16 June 2008 18:20, Michael Palumbo wrote: I met a nice young lady over the weekend who is a reporter for the Burlington County Times in southern New Jersey. She informed me, during the course of our discussion, that she must write in English/Customary units, as metric is not

[USMA:41106] RE: Square hectares

2008-06-14 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 14 June 2008 18:24, James Frysinger wrote: Well, a hectare is 100 square meters. So 200 square hectares would then be 20 000 square square meters. A hectare is 1 square meters, so 200 square hectares is 2E10 m⁴. The quartic millimeter is used in statics, but as there is no name

[USMA:40978] RE: dry pints of tomatoes

2008-05-26 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 24 May 2008 17:48, Martin Vlietstra wrote: Getting back to your tomatoes, firstly has Congress decreed how tomatoes may be sold? If not, has your state legislature made any such decree? If not, has your city made any such decree? In the United Kingdom, such legislation is passed

[USMA:40965] dry pints of tomatoes

2008-05-23 Thread Pierre Abbat
I've bought some cherry tomatoes that came in a package marked one dry pint, with no metric equivalent. (I've also seen some packages with an equivalent in milliliters.) I sent an email pointing out that labeling a grocery only one dry pint is illegal and asking that they be labeled in grams (I

[USMA:40952] Re: DPI

2008-05-21 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 20 May 2008 14:03, Ziser, Jesse wrote: An odd suggestion! Dealing with that system doesn't sound very appealing to me. Factors of 2^(1/12)? That's even worse than working with feet, yards, rods, and so forth. Why not just get rid of the whole concept of a fixed set of font sizes

[USMA:40949] Re: DPI

2008-05-20 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 20 May 2008 09:55, Patrick Moore wrote: It seems that today DPI for resolution is used worldwide by the computer industry, including printers. My googling in the last day has turned up an alternative, simply to specify pixels in micrometers. However, I fear that this alternative

[USMA:40925] Re: Metric face mush

2008-05-17 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 17 May 2008 21:41, James Frysinger wrote: On BBC America a product called Restylane is advertized. It's a dermal filler that can be used to plump out flesh to remove wrinkles. A woman's face is shown before and after and a subtitle says that she received three 1 mL injections. They

[USMA:40880] Re: SI power questions and a lot of random thoughts :)

2008-05-10 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 10 May 2008 00:45, LPS wrote: Hi there. I have some questions about properly stating capacity of a battery. I like running numbers as you will see below. :-) I have a battery that is hooked up to a bicycle to assist in getting me up hills and such. It is represented as a 42 volt

[USMA:40783] Re: Survey v International foot

2008-04-16 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 16 April 2008 12:35, Michael Payne wrote: Seems having two different feet plus meters can cause all sorts of problems in surveying. The comments below are from the web site below. Read paragraph three for what has been happening. I was attempting today to use an SMI program to

[USMA:40756] nominal and dressed sizes of wood

2008-04-10 Thread Pierre Abbat
One of the appendices of the statics book lists sizes of wood, their area moments of inertia, and various other properties. The metric table has sizes of wood which appear to be just the inch sizes in soft metric, complete with actual sizes smaller than nominal sizes. When wood is made in

[USMA:40735] Re: Electricity and Heat in SI

2008-03-31 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 31 March 2008 12:28, Stan Jakuba wrote: And if you think that this (1 acre = 4046.86 m² or 4046.87 m²) is worth considering in the daily life, look at your deed; it says you own X ft² more or less. It doesn't matter to the person buying the property, but it will matter to me if I

[USMA:40716] Re: Electricity and Heat in SI

2008-03-30 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 30 March 2008 11:13, Martin Vlietstra wrote: I did not look at the original e-mail. However looking that the e-mail chain now, I feel that the relationship between Btu and therms and their respective SI counterparts should be given to a few more decimal places, otherwise the Btu and

[USMA:40687] Re: Y or yr RE: RE: symbol for year

2008-03-27 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Thursday 27 March 2008 07:57, Brij Bhushan Vij wrote: Bill, Pierre: Anyone have a better suggestion for a symbol for year? I have often used the symbols as: Y yr for year. But to specify if I meant ONLY the tropical year or otherwise, it become obvious to qualify as Y (Year Tropical,

[USMA:40675] symbol for year

2008-03-26 Thread Pierre Abbat
I've seen y, a, and ya as symbols for year (ya actually for years ago). Both y and a have problems: *If a means year, then a petayear is Pa, but that's a pascal. *If y means year, then a gigayear is Gy, but that's a gray. Anyone have a better suggestion for a symbol for year? Pierre

[USMA:40635] Paper sizes for plats

2008-03-18 Thread Pierre Abbat
I talked with my CAD prof, who has a surveying license (I didn't know that, but the surveying prof I had last semester told me so), about amending GS 47-30. He suggested contacting the North Carolina Society of Surveyors, and he may find someone I can talk with. Currently the state allows

[USMA:40641] RE: Moving SI along - What I have heard

2008-03-18 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 18 March 2008 21:40, Scott Hudnall wrote: You bring up a good point, Bill. Managers use the term metrics all the time to mean a measurement. I think this actually gives us an opportunity to interject metric as an adjective and metric as a concept into their discussions. Next time

[USMA:40642] Re: Inappropriate use of centi-

2008-03-18 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 17 March 2008 21:33, Ziser, Jesse wrote: Life is hard without centi- and deci- and the like when one is working in square or cubic dimensions, especially if you also don't like liters. How come this bottle only has one million, seven hundred fifty thousand cubic millimeters and that

[USMA:40611] Re: National Mathematics Advisory panel

2008-03-17 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 15 March 2008 05:45, STANLEY DOORE wrote: Pat et al: It is not surprising that the SI was not mentioned in the Math Panel's final report. And, it shouldn't be because the SI is a measurement/science issue and not a math issue. I disagree. The SI is based on the decimal

[USMA:40612] Re: Inappropriate use of centi-

2008-03-17 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 15 March 2008 17:53, James Frysinger wrote: Neither centiamps nor milliamps would be acceptable in an IEEE standard. Unit names are to be spelled out completely or symbolized, as in milliamperes or mA. It would be acceptable, though not preferable, to use centiamperes or cA. Nor

[USMA:40572] Re: embedded software was: Textbooks

2008-03-14 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Thursday 13 March 2008 21:52, Ziser, Jesse wrote: Eww! Don't you HATE that? I'm so embarrassed for my country. Today I got a spec for a piece of hardware-interface software I'm supposed to write. It said that several of the digitized and transmitted quantities are stored in what it

[USMA:40549] Re: US Metrics History and now

2008-03-12 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 11 March 2008 15:40, ernie edwards wrote: Can someone bring me up to speed on what is holding up converting completely to metrics? I was exposed to metrics, while living in Spain for 5 years in the mid 80's. We were building Dept. of Defense buildings in a number of Mediterranean

[USMA:40525] Re: Oil pricing by the barrel

2008-03-09 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 08 March 2008 10:42, Jason Darfus wrote: China does, and I think Russia too, price it by the tonne. Is there a news outlet (not in Chinese, which I don't understand) that reports it in tonnes? Pierre

[USMA:40522] Re: Oil pricing by the barrel

2008-03-07 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Friday 07 March 2008 02:07, Pat Naughtin wrote: By the way, the oil barrel never actually existed in any physical sense. No oil has ever actually been poured into a barrel for measuring purposes. The oil barrel is a theoretical construct based on a notional compromise barrel of about 35 UK

[USMA:40496] Re: EU Council

2008-02-27 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 26 February 2008 22:19, Ziser, Jesse wrote: On the one hand, I don't see why someone opposed to EU membership would feel pressed to oppose metric because of that. Peru, Uzbekistan, South Korea, New Zealand, West Xylophone, and Zimbabwe don't seem likely to join the EU and yet

[USMA:40463] Re: A question of scale

2008-02-18 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 18 February 2008 05:17, David King wrote: The text did not display correctly for me, or maybe there are bits missing from the page. e.g. Yocto (a factor of 10 24) should be 10 to the power of -24, written as 10^-24 1.7yoctograms (yg) = 1.7 x 10 24 = 0. 17grams -- something is

[USMA:40381] Re: abbreviated SI---in ALL languages?

2008-02-04 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Monday 04 February 2008 20:30, Paul Trusten, R.Ph. wrote: I have always been instructed that the name Systeme International (The International System of Units) is abbreviated SI in all languages. Does this rule apply to languages that do not use Roman characters? Quick check of Wikipedia

[USMA:40297] Re: kg

2008-01-29 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 29 January 2008 08:10, Howard Ressel wrote: I think the Grave should be placed 6 feet under (sorry I could not resist that one). French feet, international feet, or survey feet? The problem with using G for the grave is that it has since been used for the gauss. Even though the

[USMA:40258] Re: convenient numerical values

2008-01-28 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 27 January 2008 20:37, Ziser, Jesse wrote: I'd like to offer another possible example of violation of the rule of thousands. I keep seeing L/100 km in fuel efficiency contexts. I also occasionally see km/L but it appears to be rarer. km/L is clearly more thousandy, and also has

[USMA:40239] RE: [USMA:40229] Fw: Velmi zajímavý výlet od + do -

2008-01-27 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 27 January 2008 03:16, Martin Vlietstra wrote: Everything appeared to be out by a factor of 10. For example, the distance from the Carolinas to the tip of Florida was shown as “10.000 km” – but 10,000 is approximately the distance from the North Pole to the Equator. Slide 10 is

[USMA:40236] RE: Fw: Velmi zajímavý výlet od + do -

2008-01-26 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 26 January 2008 19:25, Ziser, Jesse wrote: The microns, angstroms, and other units below millimeters in the presentation were all messed up. Someone accidentally put them in the order 1, 10, 100 instead of 100, 10, 1 as they should have been. That's all. No it's not all. They left

[USMA:40205] Re: bars was: angstroms?

2008-01-24 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Wednesday 23 January 2008 13:49, Martin Vlietstra wrote: My garage gives me the option of psi or bars, so do most garages. OK, the charts that are displayed might be in psi but the actual pumps MUST be dual units. I have a tire pump for my bicycle. It has both psi and bars. phma

[USMA:40177] Re: centimetres or millimetres

2008-01-20 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 20 January 2008 19:10, Stan Jakuba wrote: Speaking of cm and mm, we just got a mailing of crocus bulbs where the package says : Bulb size: 8/9 cm Caution: Do not eat. Country of origin: USA www.wrvanderschoot.com Yes, you guessed it. Not even in the USA do crocus bulbs amount to

[USMA:40166] RE: Off Topic - Internet Speeds

2008-01-19 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Saturday 19 January 2008 17:58, Bill Potts wrote: (B, for byte, seems to have been established and adopted, although I'm not sure octet has disappeared yet.) I've seen o in French (with prefixes, like Mo), and B conflicts with B for bel; but the bel is never used with prefixes 1, AFAIK,

[USMA:40104] Statics class

2008-01-16 Thread Pierre Abbat
In statics class today, we had several problems involving conversion of units (but not the one asking me to convert my measurements). I converted various quantities from pounds-force to newtons using two long numbers built into the calculator, and various other factors for the feet, tons, and

[USMA:40053] Re: Stuart Sons Pianos

2008-01-14 Thread Pierre Abbat
I have thought of designing and making a stringed instrument. So I went online and found www.juststrings.com, which sells strings for various instruments and strings in various sizes. AFAICT their thicknesses and lengths are all in inches. Does anyone make strings in micrometers? Pierre

[USMA:40020] °C vs C°

2008-01-09 Thread Pierre Abbat
I've been reading the statics book. It consistently uses °C for temperatures and C° for temperature differences. Last time I looked at the set of SI symbols, both temperatures and temperature differences are designated by °C. Was C° official, and when was it in use? Pierre

[USMA:40011] Re: More info on misreading of drug doses in the UK

2008-01-07 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 06 January 2008 16:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know doctors were still prescribing in IUs (see article below). An excellent reason (as Paul has pointed out in the past) for standardizing on SI. The IUs (they are substance-specific units, so plural) are used for chemicals

[USMA:39975] Map paper sizes in North Carolina

2008-01-01 Thread Pierre Abbat
http://www.ncbels.org/GeneralStatues/Chapter47-30/GS47-30.htm The paper sizes used for maps in North Carolina are defined by GS 47-30 as the following: 18 in × 24 in (457 mm × 610 mm) 21 in × 30 in (533 mm × 762 mm) 24 in × 36 in (610 mm × 914 mm). None of these is close to an A or B size. 914

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