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The great thing about all of these experiments is we learn about attention. Why do we need to re-ignite vlogathon.com -- which had seemed like a good idea.

Why don't peeps get more enthusiastic about social causes?

Why did vlogging become the generic term for posting video on the internet?

What good examples can we show where vlogging has already helped improve a social situation?

Sull, I'd like nothing better than to see vlogathon happen in a big way, what do you think we need to try and what social cause would be a good experiment?

On Apr 21, 2006, at 8:54 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote:

Great message, Robert.

Maybe it's time to reignite http://vlogathon.org/ ?

Sull

On 4/20/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The press appears to be cubbying peeps who make video (i.e., personal,
documentary, comedy, etc.) and vlog it into types, which is not
necessarily good or bad. I'm wondering if vloggers can leverage this
tendency.

Also, as you know, I'm particularly interested in education and
humanitarian projects and am curious how many vloggers have set their
focus on such projects.

More, I tried to drum up support earlier this week for Jon's Nata
Village
http://natavillage.org>
endeavour, and I don't believe a lot of vloggers have yet blogged about
or re-vlogged the project though I did notice a few. Certainly a bit of
press for such projects, not only Nata Village, has the potential to
improve the finances, and in the Nata case that money, per the blog,
goes fully to the village. If I'm wrong and a lot of you have
participated by vlogging or directly donating I'll stand corrected,
which I would certainly prefer.

Does anyone have insight into how many vloggers have focused in on and
working towards a particular educational or humanitarian topics, I
think it would be cool to help the press see that category, not only
from the perspective of those in the category but for vloggers in
general.

Wasn't vlogging going to be a tool to help change / improve the world?
Wouldn't it help differentiate vloggers from those, who happen to be of
great number, who just post entertaining video (not that I have
anything against that, I attempt to do a bit of it myself)?

And speaking of saving the world, or at least the Internet, have a look
at this, is there a possibility it can help?
http://pulver.com/savethenet/>

Perhaps it's the fine weather here in NYC today, I'm feeling there's an
opportunity to hack a few mountains out there. Can we make a list of
those vlogging towards a non-entertainment goal, a new category for the
press and for us?

/rambling>

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Correct, Verdi. I'd go so far as to argue it's a nail for the coffin.

The onus is on this collective intelligence of group to come up with a 
strategy to differentiate vlogging.



On Apr 21, 2006, at 10:32 AM, Michael Verdi wrote:

 ... And that the desire to replicate TV and film on the web is 
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Re: [videoblogging] Can vloggers hack mountains

Tag-chatter. Excellent. Did you coin that term or have I not been paying enough attention to attention :)

Tags are part of the problem. They're like hot sauce, you have to know when to stop dowsing. That lesson is being learned by some, others are still figuring out how to remove the governor from the top of the bottle.

Vlogging is being usurped and generalised into video_posting_on_the_web for reasons that are now becoming obvious and others that will be discovered as the event unfurls. Tagging is part of it.

I don't think it's a reason to feel dark, it's just a data point. It may be, as Chuck points out, rich opportunities exist in fund raising. Or maybe not.

The notion of reforming media and the it's us against broadcast television, though, I believe is wrongheaded, an inefficient us of calories. Trying to change the nature of the beast or kill will only accelerate the dissipation of the vlogging idea.

I don't know if vlogging, in the non-generic sense, can be established on a larger scale. It's up to peeps in this group to figure it out, but I wouldn't get in a funk if it remains but a cool idea.

Having said that, if somehow the magic of social web 2.0 happens and a convergence occurs and a stride is found, and I'm not talking pasting selling adverts on the posteriors of look-at-my-cute videos, then there may be a chance.

I'm inclined to believe if there is a convergence it will be on social causes, but you may be right that tagging will keep such messages from view.

Yeah, it's an attention problem. I'll bet we didn't even come close to the $2000 figure for Nata village. Fsck. Not sexy enough for the masses. Maybe vlogging, the non-generic kind just isn't sexy. Okay, now I'm risking a a dark feeling coming, I need to stop thinking about this.

On Apr 21, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Soumyadeep Paul wrote:

Sorry... after writing this, I feel its out of context... but maybe not!

When the early blogging revolution, it swiftly took a variety of forms that affected the world in ways never before imagined. For instance, I still remember the Salam Pax times... the kind of notice it got and the insight it gave to the readers. In our part of the world, Fadereu and some of us who created CSF, which was the first time anyone had attempted to republish text messages coming from Tsunami-torn Sri Lankan relief workers/friends as blog entries. The turn around time of the news was faster than any news agency could have managed, and it was sheer genius of Fadereu's brain. There are several other instances where blogging helped turn the wheel of events towards a more logical and sensible one.

Enter videoblogging. The original motive (and perhaps still) was to reform Media (in a bigger sense of the word), to make it more personal, human, to rid it of its blockages, impurities... to create a direct channel from the creator to the audience. This revolution saw several bright spots in its short span as well. Take the Tsunami videos, or the other water-disasters...

Unfortunately (and perhaps its my dark state of mind from listening to too many Opeth songs today), it never really ended up evolving into a tool that would be taken notice by the powers that rule. Instead, it took a natural course (entertainment, sex, comedy), and even though there were some interesting voices that could be heard from around, the collective tag-chatter (which is completely go along with pop-culture) now manages to suppress anything uninteresting to the popular mass. And of course, uninteresting has nothing to do with unimportant or irrelevant. Am I wrong?

For instance, let's take the Iran Nuclear issue that has resurfaced again... where is it going? Is it another conflict down the road? Shouldn't we wonder about the inclinations of the political machine? Or is it too sensitive an issue? Will Vlogging elevate to the level of strength that blogging garnered once?

Feeling dark again. Perhaps I will just return to my Porcupine Tree album (In Absentia) and just exist!

Cheers,
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http://www.afilmonthreewheels.com
http://lilithsmirrors.blogspot.com

On 21-Apr-06, at 6:24 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote:

Maybe it's time to reignite http://vlogathon.org/ ?

Sull

Also, as you know, I'm particularly interested in education and
humanitarian projects and am curious how many vloggers have set their
focus on such projects.

Re: [videoblogging] Politics threaten our free Internet

Yes, Randy. Act now.

http://pulver.com/savethenet/>

And if you make a winning vlog I think Pulver's got a $1000 prize (I think, read the link). And simultaneously, possibly, you'd be doing something for vlogging whether you win or not.


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On Apr 21, 2006, at 12:34 PM, Randolfe Wicker wrote:

...
We need to act now.

[videoblogging] Veoh article

I was just going through a few links and stumbled across a Veoh interview (from earlier this year) where they talk about editorial and advertising.  The quote really jumped out at me, I can't put my finger on exactly why.

Here's a quote and below is the link to the full article;

Sometimes those recommendations will be videos.  But sometimes they will be advertisements.  And if Dunning's crazy math works like it is supposed to, you might not even know the difference between the two.  We look at advertising as content, says Shapiro.  Targetted advertising is potent content.  As an example, he shows me a  clip of a videoblogger driving around in a Porsche in Germany.  It is not an ad, but it might as well be one.  What if, suggests Shapiro, there were a Porsche logo in the corner that said more info available.  And if you click it, you get several options, such as download a four-minute infomercial or longer, official Porsche driving videos for later viewing, or watch them now, or send an e-mail to yourself with a link to a Porche Website. 

http://business2.blogs.com/business2blog/2006/02/scoop_veoh_take.html>

Maybe if I were there at the presentation and had seen their Porsche video I would have appreciated their comments better. I wonder if other aggregators are considering similar strategies.


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[videoblogging] Can vloggers hack mountains

2006-04-20 Thread robert a/k/a r

Hey all,

The press appears to be cubbying peeps who make video (i.e., personal, documentary, comedy, etc.) and vlog it into types, which is not necessarily good or bad. I'm wondering if vloggers can leverage this tendency.

Also, as you know, I'm particularly interested in education and humanitarian projects and am curious how many vloggers have set their focus on such projects.

More, I tried to drum up support earlier this week for Jon's Nata Village 
http://natavillage.org>
endeavour, and I don't believe a lot of vloggers have yet blogged about or re-vlogged the project though I did notice a few. Certainly a bit of press for such projects, not only Nata Village, has the potential to improve the finances, and in the Nata case that money, per the blog, goes fully to the village. If I'm wrong and a lot of you have participated by vlogging or directly donating I'll stand corrected, which I would certainly prefer.

Does anyone have insight into how many vloggers have focused in on and working towards a particular educational or humanitarian topics, I think it would be cool to help the press see that category, not only from the perspective of those in the category but for vloggers in general.

Wasn't vlogging going to be a tool to help change / improve the world? Wouldn't it help differentiate vloggers from those, who happen to be of great number, who just post entertaining video (not that I have anything against that, I attempt to do a bit of it myself)?

And speaking of saving the world, or at least the Internet, have a look at this, is there a possibility it can help?
http://pulver.com/savethenet/>

Perhaps it's the fine weather here in NYC today, I'm feeling there's an opportunity to hack a few mountains out there. Can we make a list of those vlogging towards a non-entertainment goal, a new category for the press and for us?

/rambling>

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: veoh

2006-04-20 Thread robert a/k/a r




Cmon. Lighten up. It was a just a mistake in the first place :-0)

http://snipurl.com/694s




On Apr 20, 2006, at 7:39 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:

 No, its not about attribution.
 Its about falsely portraying people as members of your community when
 they are not. Its about dishonesty and bad business practice.

 I do feel that Veoh took the right steps to solve the problem in a
 timely fashion, but I do not believe they had the right intentions in
 the first place.

 -Josh


 On 4/20/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 it's still more about the attribution more than anything else

 mefeedia aquires feeds too. i dont have a problem with that. do 
 you?

 the attribution issue has been addressed. i am satisfied. are you?

 sull

 On 4/20/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:

 Its not just that the work is a derivative, or that its a full clip
 rather than a preview -- the bigger issue for me is that Veoh used
 vloggers and their content to make it seem as though they had a
 growing and vibrant community, people who've signed up, agreed to
 terms of service, and were participants in the Veoh community. This
 was not true. They took people's content and made bogus profiles for
 them. They forced users into an opt out situation when they had
 never in fact opted in. This is dishonest.

 -josh


 On 4/20/06, Markus Sandy  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 exactly!!!


 Michael Verdi wrote:
 For many videobloggers the previews were long enough to be the 
 complete
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Re: [videoblogging] help with video blogs on my site

Anyone. Is it my route to http://reptile.ca/ or does this site never actually load?

Buehler?



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Someone here might be able to help you if gave a link to your site.

Re: [videoblogging] help with video blogs on my site

ahhh, reptile.ca is not your site. my mistake. 


On Apr 18, 2006, at 2:31 AM, robert a/k/a r wrote:

Anyone. Is it my route to http://reptile.ca/ or does this site never actually load?

Buehler?



On Apr 18, 2006, at 2:21 AM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:

Someone here might be able to help you if gave a link to your site.

Re: [videoblogging] help with video blogs on my site

No worries, I was clicking the link in your emails to this list and the server on the other end was muerto. Not that important at the end of the day, really.

On Apr 18, 2006, at 3:18 AM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:

Hello Robert,

reptile.ca is my site.

I used to own a consulting company named Reptile.  However, I moved out of the consulting business, but I still kept the e-mail address and domain.  (I've been working on building a new company the last couple of years.) 

See ya

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> Buehler?
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> On Apr 18, 2006, at 2:21 AM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Michael Eisner joins Veoh

TheJokesWriteThemselves.com should be a vlog show, there's a lot of 
good material out there :-o)



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Re: [videoblogging] The Nata village videoblog, Episode 1. Nata, Botswana.

2006-04-17 Thread robert a/k/a r

Hey all,

I bet with a little help Nata Village's paypal meter could hit the $2,000 (hint, a short term goal) mark by Friday, 21 April.

What do you say, A List peeps, hop onboard if you believe in Jon's effort and the power of vlogging!

My own D list post just went up on on http://vlognews.24x7.com -- surely many of you can do better.




On Apr 17, 2006, at 12:56 PM, Christopher Ivanyi wrote:

This is great Jon, really cool.  And I'll be passing on the word
myself, and even making a little donation.  I know they go a
looo way.

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On 4/16/06, Jon Rawlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks!

Sure you can help out!  Tell your friends and post about Nata village on
your site if you can.

Thanks so much!  The people of Nata will be very grateful!

Cheers,
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Awesome project, Jon. Looking forward to see it develop.

Anything we can do to help?


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On Apr 16, 2006, at 8:40 PM, Jon Rawlinson wrote:

The Nata village videoblog, Episode 1.

http://natavillage.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/04/the_nata_villag.html
Each week we will feature a new videoblog from Nata, Botswana.

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Re: [videoblogging] Click.TV

2006-04-17 Thread robert a/k/a r

Beautiful interface, Mike, I've been showing it around as an example of both excellent form and function.

Well done!

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On Apr 17, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Mike Lanza wrote:

I want the list to know about a new service for web video user interface that I've started. It's called Click.TV (www.click.tv). It's a new user interface for web video that enables users to discover the contents of a video instantly and add their thoughts about specific details in the video.

Our business model is *not* to compete with video sharing sites. It is to provide our interface to sites that are hosting videos. One (flattering) way to think about us is as the Levi’s of the 2006 Internet video gold rush. Back in 1849, they supplied blue jeans rather than mining gold. We’re supplying a tool for the video sites, not the video itself.

Steve Garfield blogged about it over the weekend, and many other blogs (e.g. www.techcrunch.com) are writing about it. Here's Steve's entry:

http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/2006/04/adobe-site-of-day.html

On the demo of Steve's VLOG SOUP on our site (http://click.tv/videoblogs_demo.php), I enabled a special feature not enabled anywhere else on the site: Share Video. Check that out and feel free to use it.

Also, we're Macromedia's Site of the Day today. See www.macromedia.com and look at the lower right.

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Re: [videoblogging] the activex/eolas patent bug in Explorer

2006-04-16 Thread robert a/k/a r

Does the Microsoft problem extend to the embed for Flash?

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On Apr 16, 2006, at 9:00 AM, T.Whid wrote:

 Hi all,

 I had to deal with this pretty extensively at my day job andI have
 seen some some misinformation in other threads regarding this so I
 thought I'd try to make it clear. It seems like some of the scripts
 you guys are using already helping you avoid the annoying activex
 alert, but here's my 2¢.

 [1] If someone installed the Internet Explorer security update of
 April 11, 2006, they will see this problem if you use embed, object or
 applet tags in your HTML. This applies only to Windows, not Mac, and
 only to IE, not Firefox.
 [http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/04/11/573599.aspx]

 [2] To avoid the activex alert, you must write the embed, object or
 applet tag onto your page using javascript loaded from an external
 javascript file, ie, the javascript can't be in the head of the HTML.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: why you now have an error on all your pages

2006-04-16 Thread robert a/k/a r

Bev, I think most peeps can't keep up with the volume on this list, I know I many days just don't read anything on here. And re the tech stuff, I'd bet most on here, as I am too, are wondering what the extent of this particular Microsoft issue.

Lists such as these are about respect. If someone disses the list or individuals on the list it simply wrong. My statement is not aimed at anyone in particular, dissing simply happens on occasion for whatever reason and it should be corrected. And my definition of diss extends beyond simple rudeness, there are other ways to disrespect the membership.

On Apr 16, 2006, at 12:45 PM, BevSykes wrote:

>>I'll see your sarcasm and raise you a tough shit.

It's assumed that if one joins this list, then one reads the posts
here. If you arent reading the posts, then why join the group?
OK...I'll address this issue. I was told that this is a group for all levels of videobloggers, from rank beginners to experts, that people would answer questions and never put anybody down for asking a stupid question. I have found this generally to be true. I would not know 1/10th of what I know now without FreeVlog, for example. HOWEVER, someone coming into this group as a rank beginner would very quickly be totally overwhelmed with all the technospeak from the experts, to say nothing of the volume of e-mail.
I don't have a clue about the technical aspects of videoblogging and posting. I think that, as a senior citizen, I'm doing well to (a) make a video, (b) compress it, (c) post it, and (d) imbed it into my journal page and cross post to Blogger. At the moment, my miniDV is broken and I have no money to buy a new camera--and no hope of having enough money for a new purchase in the foreseeable future, so I'm filming with my Panasonic Digital camera, converting .mov files to .avi if I want to edit a movie, and then converting back to .mov (I was rather proud of myself for figuring out how to do that).
But quite frankly I am totally lost in most of the discussions here. Still, I do pick up gems of information from time to time and so I stay on the list, but I either skip over 90% of the discussions or set my filter to send them to an ignore file because I don't understand what people are talking about (Veoh transcoding feeds, for example) and, what with bottle feeding puppies and doing medical transcription, don't have the time to figure it out--especially when I don't have the money to get the equipment that will allow me to do it anyway.
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Re: [videoblogging] The Nata village videoblog, Episode 1. Nata, Botswana.

2006-04-16 Thread robert a/k/a r

Awesome project, Jon. Looking forward to see it develop.

Anything we can do to help?


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On Apr 16, 2006, at 8:40 PM, Jon Rawlinson wrote:

The Nata village videoblog, Episode 1.
http://natavillage.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/04/the_nata_villag.html

Each week we will feature a new videoblog from Nata, Botswana.  

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Hard drives local storage question

2006-04-13 Thread robert a/k/a r

Same here, viewing in the browser is my preferred experience. I like 
seeing the video in the context of peeps sites and the text of the 
entry.

And as Andreas stated, when the browser closed the cache is cleared and 
disk space is recovered.

I can't see any reason why one would want to archive copies of other 
peeps videos, unless of course you are watching them in places you 
don't have internet access or you're editing a remix.

If you're keeping tons of OPV on your disk, you should really ask 
yourself is you want to. It's like nutters people who save old 
newspapers, and that's really weird.


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On Apr 13, 2006, at 6:26 PM, David Howell wrote:

 I was using Fireant but stopped because the last time I used it, it
 downloaded the videos and I dont want my drive space to be taken up.
 As a result, I'm just using my browser too to watch videos now.

 I have a couple larger external firewire drives that hold my media.
 They are rather full right now. Time to get yet another drive soon. On
 the drive that I am using for current media with which I am going to
 edit or thinking about editing, I have 63 gigs free out of 200. I
 assure you that will be taken up rather quickly though.

 Since I never re-record over my tapes, I always have a copy of the
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 Downloading
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 I've been chewing through alot of hard drive space.

 My general questions to everyone are: how much hard drive space do 
 all
 of your videos take up? Do you store off site, buy external drives,
 tapes, something else? Do you just purge them after awhile? (I find
 that I can't part with anything..such a pack rat!)

 I almost never download videos. I watch them in the webbrowser so
 whenever
 my browser's cache gets cleaned/refreshed then the videos delete
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Re: [videoblogging] Great Videoblogger Documentation '06

2006-04-11 Thread robert a/k/a r

Done. Painless. Interesting. Collaborative. Cat-free.


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On Apr 11, 2006, at 8:18 AM, Andreas Haugstrup wrote:

 As some of you might know I'm so young that I'm still hanging out in
 school. My final project at grad. school is about videobloggers and 
 people
 who watch videoblogs, and you can help me.

 I have created a survey that I hope you will fill out. It shouldn't 
 take
 you more than 15 minutes and it doesn't hurt. The results will be made
 public, except for any personal information (videoblogging is about
 sharing, so research about videoblogs should be about sharing too). The
 survey deals with your viewing and production habits.

 The survey and a tiny bit more information is at 
 http://www.remediate.org/

 Surveys like this one provide better results if a lot of people 
 complete
 them. I hope that many of you will blog about the Great Videoblogger
 Documentation '06. That's the only way the word will get out there. 
 Please
 help a poor viking graduate.

 If I get 250 response I promise to make a cat vlog, and if I get 500 I
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Re: [videoblogging] Halcyon's disclosure (was: Veoh Transcoding Feeds...)

2006-04-10 Thread robert a/k/a r

Hi Halcyon,

It's your role at Veoh that was ambiguous, not your integrity. Sorry if 
you feel that's the question, I don't believe you ever before disclosed 
you working relationship, at least not that I recall.

You appear part of Veoh's marketing effort, your enthusiasm is so 
great. And you appear to speak for Dmitry on occasion, this also 
confuses your role. Now that we know you do NOT represent Veoh, it's 
much less confusing.

You see, I always find it easier to try a new product if the person 
recommending it is not being compensated by the company offering the 
product, now that we know you're an enthusiastic friend of Dmitri's and 
no more, and do not receive compensation from Veoh, I'm perhaps more 
interested in exploring what it has to offer.

Disclosure is important, it helps build credibility. Good luck with 
your various projects.




On Apr 9, 2006, at 7:45 PM, Halcyon Lujah wrote:

 Since my integrity was questioned (not maliciously, just
 questioned)...I wanted to explain my position and feelings about Veoh.
 (Note: I do NOT represent veoh. These are my personal thoughts.)
 ...  I have done (and continue to do) interface
 consulting and test piloting including asking for features.
 ... I should mention that the majority of my work the last few years
 has been consulting for the online adult industry. 
  



 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: massive infringement (was: Veoh Transcoding Feeds...)

2006-04-09 Thread robert a/k/a r

Correct Josh. And I agree, that is a very relevant concern.

And Sull, yeah, I completely agree, spidering in the case of creating an index in one use. Spidering is like a hammer, if you use it to drive nails in to build a house that's one thing, if you use it to bust the lock off someone's kitchen door without the home owner's permission to gain access to the premises to collect the content it's another. I'm simply trying to understand what was going on, how did the content move from my server to Veoh's. Why Veoh didn't link back and why they did not provide attribution, along with a few other questions are also matters for concern.

I generally assume people are decent and not stealing, and I'll probably always be that way. Let's continue to give Dmitry an opportunity to help everyone on this list understand how feeds got into his content collection system, he already stated (correct me if I'm wrong, Dmitry) Veoh never spidered. Let's let him answer the two questions on my last email and finally find out how the feeds got into Veoh's system to collect video.

That's why I invite Dmitry to answer in good faith the two questions in my most recent posting, if you also would like to understand why and how a the videos in question got on Dmitry's servers to the group I'd be interested in hearing your questions and Dmitry's answers, you guys and Peter are undoubtedly much more tech savvy than I and certainly close to the issues, both regulatory and operational. Are you comfortable with not knowing how the feeds got into Veoh's system? To me it leaves the door unlocked and open and in my opinion that is not good security, and Dmitry I would hope feels similarly - let's see if he answers.

On Apr 9, 2006, at 1:19 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote:

agreed.
afterall, mefeedia spiders feeds and has thousands of feeds now and is an excellent source for vlogs because of it.
...

On 4/9/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> or with Veoh (for pay or not) manually input RSS feeds into the system?

I don't see why this question would matter. People manually input RSS
feeds into any aggregator site or feed directory such as FireAnt,
MeFeedia, Vlogdir, others... what's wrong with that? The issue has
more to do with what Veoh is doing with videos in RSS syndication
rather than how they acquired the feeds.

Re: [videoblogging] Veoh ** Simple message

2006-04-09 Thread robert a/k/a r

I just noticed Om has posted on his blog, the last link is to another of his posts (Its A Splog Planet) which is an interesting read on the situation.

http://gigaom.com/2006/04/09/veoh-vs-video-bloggers/>



On Apr 9, 2006, at 2:23 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:

Veoh could argue that part of what they are doing is acting like a web cache.

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear

Adding link-backs is not the point.  If you are extending such and 
offer to Veoh please make it clear it's not representative of an 
agreement by any class copyrightholders who may be vloggers on this 
list and your own personal offer.



On Apr 8, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Jay dedman wrote:

 It is in our marketing group's to-do list, and is on my calendar.  I
 have already approved the budget for the terabyte sponsorship.

 From the vloggercon web site --

 Vloggercon needs sponsorships to keep the price of the conference
 down– we aren't a bunch of Hollywood Fat Cats, y'know. We are the
 personal media revolution. Vloggercon is on a mission: to raise
 $20,000 for NODE101. This money will help fund small groups to spread
 the word about personal media and videoblogging. Your sponsorship is
 needed for us to achieve this goal– think about the children!

 We would like to contribute to the cause.
 Are you one of the organizers?  Do you not want us to sponsor?

 For the record, Veoh's PR people sent an email earlier this week to
 get details on Vloggercon sponsorship.  nothing has been finalized
 yet.

 As to this whole thread, I think people want to see a quick solution.
 It should not be our responsibility to claim feeds or email Veoh if we
 want our work taken down.
 either stop spidering and delete work that was not volunarily 
 submitted...
 or add obvious linkbacks to each entry.

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Re: [videoblogging] massive infringement (was: Veoh Transcoding Feeds...)

Vloggers, my personal opinion is a business person would immediately 
take down and destroy all copies of everything he scraped without 
authorisation, potential statutory damages and other liabilities are 
too great (disclosure: IANAL). If I was operating a video hosting 
company and my board was aware I was copying, modifying and 
redistribution works of others without authorisation I think I'd be 
more than a little concerned. I believe there's nothing more to see 
here, let's move on.

One more thing. Now adding link-backs will not remedy the breach 
discussed in this thread, I disagree fully with someone's earlier post 
offering the addition of link-backs.

See you at the Veoh beer-bash in June, LOL.


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 ... Infringement is not a viable
 business practice, and it is not possible to continue claiming
 ignorance and paying lip service to respecting copyright.




 
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Re: [videoblogging] Veoh Networks Announces Financing - Get ready to upload your video

Charles, Hello. 

Why are you snipping out the part where Dmitri Shapiro announces his Series A and says We will NOT transcode your video like Google does and changing the topic to bittorrent. Charles, if you have something about bittorrent please start a new thread. 

Most of us know bittorrent well. In fact you can see a related video clip I made which Veoh SCRAPED from my site, uses COMMERCIALLY and has TRANSCODED all without my authorisation, here's Veoh's link:

http://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e6486feature=1numResults=20query=bittorrent>

And here's the link to the video on my site, where anyone including Veoh can read the license:

http://www.24x7.com/blog/2005-10/bram-cohen/>

On Apr 8, 2006, at 2:15 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:

Hello,

On 4/7/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Begin forwarded message:

> From: Dmitry Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: August 10, 2005 1:23:16 PM EDT
> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [videoblogging] Veoh Networks Announces Financing - Get ready
> to upload your video
> Reply-To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
[...]

> Veoh utilizes a proprietary, secure P2P network that helps prevent 
> piracy of content, and makes sure all video content is properly
> categorized, of TV-grade quality and always available. Unlike rogue
> P2P networks that utilize unmanaged BitTorrent to share mostly pirated 
> video,...
(Despite what you are trying to imply here) There is NOTHING wrong with BitTorrent technology.  And just because some people use it to do copyright infringement does NOT make it a bad technology.  (Many many many people use it for legitimate uses too!)

 People use e-mail for copyright infringement, does that make e-mail bad?!  People use instant messaging for copyright infringement, does that make instant messaging bad?!  People use the Web for copyright infringement, does that make the Web bad?!

 BitTorrent is used for ALOT of legitimate uses.  Both by individuals and companies.

 The really nice thing, for vloggers, about BitTorrent (and other P2P technologies like it) is it empowers us as indiviuals.  And gives us more choice.  We don't need to align ourselves with large companies or networks if we don't want to.  We can go at it and be successful on our own (if we choose to).

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: massive infringement (was: Veoh Transcoding Feeds...)

Dmitry, is Veoh actually spidering?

Please reply (this list), if are really as sincere as you claimed in your earlier email.




On Apr 8, 2006, at 5:33 PM, Anne Walk wrote:

to me, Veoh is different from YouTube in this way:

YouTube allows users to upload video. Users upload video that may or may not conform to copyright. YouTube either chooses not to monitor for copyright infringement or cannot do so. 

Veoh is the same in this regard. The difference lies in the spidering. As well as a community site where users can upload content, Veoh also spiders other video hosting sites as well as individual vlog sites and inputs their content into their community. Veoh is directly involved in the copyright infringement. That is the difference and that difference is huge.

Re: [videoblogging] Re: massive infringement (was: Veoh Transcoding Feeds...)

Dmitry,

Manually by whom, specifically. Is anyone employed or volunteering 
(i.e., working in the interest of Veoh for pay or not) making these RSS 
submissions or are you claiming that 100% of the RSS feed you use to 
harvest are entered by non-affiliated and non-interested persons?

Let's have a straight-up conversation, here. Direct conversation. For 
example, Halcyon (screen-name) forwards messages from you however we do 
not know if he is an affiliated party, please advise.


On Apr 8, 2006, at 7:48 PM, dmitry_veoh wrote:

 ...
 Veoh is NOT spidering.  We have an automated RSS reader that checks
 RSS feeds that were put into the system manually.  We DO NOT crawl.



 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: massive infringement (was: Veoh Transcoding Feeds...)

Dmitry,

Please be perfectly clear here, have any persons who work for Veoh or 
with Veoh (for pay or not) manually input RSS feeds into the system?

Simple yes or no will suffice.

And thanks for clarifying the situation re Halcyon, I had the 
impression he was compensated in some manner or form or expected to be 
compensated, I didn't realise he was just a friend helping you out.




On Apr 8, 2006, at 8:37 PM, dmitry_veoh wrote:

 Robert,

 The feeds were put in manually by early users of Veoh 1.0 (before we
 had a web-based service).  Veoh does not add to these feeds, and does
 not pay people to add to these feeds.

 As I said, we are working on adding links back to originating sites,
 automatically obeying CC licenses, and are quickly taking down any
 feed that we are notified about.  We are working on automated systems
 to do this.  Our web service has only been operational since March 1.

 Halcyon is a friend, and is a video blogger just like all of you.

 Please bear with us while we make these fixes.

 Thanks,


 Dmitry


 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dmitry,

 Manually by whom, specifically. Is anyone employed or volunteering
 (i.e., working in the interest of Veoh for pay or not) making these 
 RSS
 submissions or are you claiming that 100% of the RSS feed you use to
 harvest are entered by non-affiliated and non-interested persons?

 Let's have a straight-up conversation, here. Direct conversation. For
 example, Halcyon (screen-name) forwards messages from you however we 
 do
 not know if he is an affiliated party, please advise.


 On Apr 8, 2006, at 7:48 PM, dmitry_veoh wrote:

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 Veoh is NOT spidering.  We have an automated RSS reader that checks
 RSS feeds that were put into the system manually.  We DO NOT crawl.









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Re: [videoblogging] Re: massive infringement (was: Veoh Transcoding Feeds...)

Dmitry,

Please be perfectly clear here, have any persons who work for Veoh or 
with Veoh (for pay or not) manually input RSS feeds into the system?

Simple yes or no will suffice.

And thanks for clarifying the situation re Halcyon, I had the 
impression he was compensated in some manner or form or expected to be 
compensated, I didn't realise he was just a friend helping you out.




On Apr 8, 2006, at 8:37 PM, dmitry_veoh wrote:

 Robert,

 The feeds were put in manually by early users of Veoh 1.0 (before we
 had a web-based service).  Veoh does not add to these feeds, and does
 not pay people to add to these feeds.

 As I said, we are working on adding links back to originating sites,
 automatically obeying CC licenses, and are quickly taking down any
 feed that we are notified about.  We are working on automated systems
 to do this.  Our web service has only been operational since March 1.

 Halcyon is a friend, and is a video blogger just like all of you.

 Please bear with us while we make these fixes.

 Thanks,


 Dmitry


 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dmitry,

 Manually by whom, specifically. Is anyone employed or volunteering
 (i.e., working in the interest of Veoh for pay or not) making these 
 RSS
 submissions or are you claiming that 100% of the RSS feed you use to
 harvest are entered by non-affiliated and non-interested persons?

 Let's have a straight-up conversation, here. Direct conversation. For
 example, Halcyon (screen-name) forwards messages from you however we 
 do
 not know if he is an affiliated party, please advise.


 On Apr 8, 2006, at 7:48 PM, dmitry_veoh wrote:

 ...
 Veoh is NOT spidering.  We have an automated RSS reader that checks
 RSS feeds that were put into the system manually.  We DO NOT crawl.









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Fwd: [videoblogging] Re: massive infringement (was: Veoh Transcoding Feeds...)

Dmitry,

Simple answers are good, your last email reminded me of the one you sent the group back on 19 August 2005 when you first called attention by mysteriously coming up with a list of emaill addresses. Oh yes, you remember that incident, the one where you stated.

We have sent out one email to our [EMAIL PROTECTED] list, announcing the
launch of our video uploader.  The only emails on our list are people
that have sent an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  If your name is
inappropriately on the list, please email me directly at
[EMAIL PROTECTED], or [EMAIL PROTECTED]

We do NOT harvest any email, will not release our email list to any
third party, and will not spam.

Please be perfectly clear here, don't avoid the question again by creating a new thread.

Have any persons who work for Veoh or with Veoh (for pay or not) manually input RSS feeds into the system?

Simple yes or no will suffice.




Begin forwarded message:

From: robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: April 8, 2006 8:51:38 PM EDT
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Halcyon Lujah [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: massive infringement (was: Veoh Transcoding Feeds...)
Reply-To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com

Dmitry,

Please be perfectly clear here, have any persons who work for Veoh or 
with Veoh (for pay or not) manually input RSS feeds into the system?

Simple yes or no will suffice.

And thanks for clarifying the situation re Halcyon, I had the 
impression he was compensated in some manner or form or expected to be 
compensated, I didn't realise he was just a friend helping you out.




On Apr 8, 2006, at 8:37 PM, dmitry_veoh wrote:

Robert,

The feeds were put in manually by early users of Veoh 1.0 (before we
had a web-based service).  Veoh does not add to these feeds, and does
not pay people to add to these feeds.

As I said, we are working on adding links back to originating sites,
automatically obeying CC licenses, and are quickly taking down any
feed that we are notified about.  We are working on automated systems
to do this.  Our web service has only been operational since March 1.

Halcyon is a friend, and is a video blogger just like all of you.

Please bear with us while we make these fixes.

Thanks,


Dmitry


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dmitry,

Manually by whom, specifically. Is anyone employed or volunteering
(i.e., working in the interest of Veoh for pay or not) making these 
RSS
submissions or are you claiming that 100% of the RSS feed you use to
harvest are entered by non-affiliated and non-interested persons?

Let's have a straight-up conversation, here. Direct conversation. For
example, Halcyon (screen-name) forwards messages from you however we 
do
not know if he is an affiliated party, please advise.


On Apr 8, 2006, at 7:48 PM, dmitry_veoh wrote:
...
Veoh is NOT spidering.  We have an automated RSS reader that checks
RSS feeds that were put into the system manually.  We DO NOT crawl.









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Re: [videoblogging] Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-07 Thread robert a/k/a r

And a very fine strategy it is, Sull.  Keep up the great work.

Vlogdir rawks!

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On Apr 7, 2006, at 1:09 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote:

vlogdir.com is sort of rare case these days in that it only has vlogs that people have deliberately added... and 99% time it is by the vlog's creator.  
from day 1 (about a year ago), vlogdir has been a community driven directory represent'n the vlogosphere.

Re: [videoblogging] Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-07 Thread robert a/k/a r

Correct, Verdi.

Clearly VEOH, given the business they are in, should be aware of the legal issues related to the unauthorised copying and distribution of content of others. 

Is there absolute certainty that VEOH or someone has copied and are hosting video on VEOH's servers without permission of the copyright holders? 


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On Apr 7, 2006, at 2:35 PM, Michael Verdi wrote:

It isn't as simple as adding a link back. Most people use some version of the non-commercial cc license. If that's the case they shouldn't be allowed to host your stuff at all unless you specifically grant them that license. What you are saying with the NC license is that it is NOT okay to use this for commercial purposes (since VEOH is hosting your content on their commercial site instead of just linking to it, it's a commercial use) without first obtaining permission from the creator. They are not doing this. Providing a link back only fixes the attribution clause. 

-Verdi

Re: [videoblogging] Spoke with Veoh CEO ** was: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-07 Thread robert a/k/a r

Sorry, mate. If what others say is truly going on re unauthorised 
copying and distribution I don't buy organic as an excuse.

No more excuses, please (assuming the claims are true).

Can you verify the any of the claims, Halcyon? True or untrue, Halcyon?




On Apr 7, 2006, at 3:38 PM, Halcyon Lujah wrote:

 Well, part of this situation is due to the organic nature of the
 technology growing (and not any evil plan).

 i.e. Veoh originally did not have encoded versions at all. It was more
 of a system to find videos (*my understanding) and use a peercasting
 method to distribute large files without bandwidth fees for
 broadcasters.

 Alas, as all my friends started using YouTube to share videos, I was
 one of the people that begged Veoh to add an automated flash preview
 for the videos available in their directory.

  I'm personally STOKED with the resulting technology, but as seen
 today, new issues have risen up.  I've heard nothing from Veoh that
 made me think they  weren't more than willing to make changes or
 rethink their plans.

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Re: [videoblogging] Must See Vlogs

2006-04-06 Thread robert a/k/a r

I'll second that, pouringdown is one of the few on my always watch list.

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On Apr 6, 2006, at 3:05 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote:

http://pouringdown.blogspot.com/

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Re: [videoblogging] Online Video Sites: Breeding Like Rabbits

2006-04-06 Thread robert a/k/a r

Yep.  And for archiving and nice quality Flash transcoding there  
another one called Phanfare
http://www.phanfare.com/

I have to say I do like the Jumpcut.com concept A LOT. And there's  
potential for a real business model.


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[videoblogging] Mashup a Chevy

2006-04-02 Thread robert a/k/a r

Hey all,

Chevy is doing a video mashup contest (they supply the bits) and before  
they take down some of the more, ehem, interesting entries, you might  
want to see an example:

http://www.chevyapprentice.com/view.php?country=usuniqueid=7d0c55e4 
-1247-1029-98eb-0013724ff5a7

Or you might want to enter the contest yourself  ;-)


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[videoblogging] addicting clips

2006-03-30 Thread robert a/k/a r

Any videobloggers uploading to addicting clips?

http://addictingclips.com/


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Re: [videoblogging] Think beyond video blogging Lets all get rich

2006-03-28 Thread robert a/k/a r

steamy. koalas even hotter than bears bonking wabbits:

http://55broad.video.blip.tv:8000/Jamc-clip796.mpg


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On Mar 28, 2006, at 3:42 PM, Adam Quirk wrote:

On another note, early next year you'll see the first Double-Vaginal Double-Anal Koala Porn Video Podcast (DVDAKPVP).  I have the patent on that.

Re: [videoblogging] Blogger is starting to wear on my nerves. Question re:moving videoblog

2006-03-24 Thread robert a/k/a r

I've got accounts at both DH and LP, both have automated Wordpress installation. Personally, I find the LP control panel easier.

The bandwidth DH offers is larger, the downloads feel faster at LP.

I have my http://vlognews.24x7.com over at blogger just to keep an eye on their service and developments (as I have blogs at other hosts too) and, too, am disappointed by the downtime and slow response from support.

In the end, it's a personal decision, no one hosting service will ever be perfect for everyone. Good luck!


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On Mar 24, 2006, at 12:49 PM, Deirdre Straughan wrote:

FWIW, Dreamhost offers a one click install of WP if you host with them. It's not really that simple, but it's not horribly difficult either - I'm not a programmer, and I survived it. I wanted something to go with the look of my main site, so I found a template that used similar colors, and customized it just a little (replaced the graphic, mainly) - see http://www.beginningwithi.com/comments/

Re: [videoblogging] AC takes CC to DC

2006-03-18 Thread robert a/k/a r

LOL. Thanks.

My sense is Adam's usage of CC license, the breach by the company that 
nicked his images and the court's decision may be a decent precedent.

Disclaimer: IANAL, do your own thinking.



On Mar 17, 2006, at 10:39 PM, Jan McLaughlin wrote:

 Nominate your Subject for Best Creative Use of Subject for the week,
 r.

 Jan



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 Recent news re Creative Commons enforceability, Adam Curry takes the
 matter to Dutch Court:

 http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5823




 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: another service added to test page

2006-03-16 Thread robert a/k/a r

Yet another hosting service:

http://www.vmix.com/


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On Mar 16, 2006, at 11:43 AM, Devlon wrote:

 Hm...good point, we could have a page where people could suggest a 
 site, and once the site had been suggested and added, that could be 
 updated to point to the review.

 A sticky post might do in this case I think.  I could move the 
 pre-amble stuff to a sticky post and that way people could leave a 
 comment to suggest a site, then once the site had been reviewed, a 
 comment could be posted by us to point to the review.



 
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[videoblogging] AC takes CC to DC

2006-03-16 Thread robert a/k/a r

Recent news re Creative Commons enforceability, Adam Curry takes the 
matter to Dutch Court:

http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5823


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: is creative commons broken?

2006-03-13 Thread robert a/k/a r

JD Lasica has posted a real people network vid he shot with Lessig - 
def worth watching if you missed it in his feed:

http://www.realpeoplenetwork.com/2006/03/lawrence_lessig.html



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 around the 7/3/06 wtrainbow mentioned about [videoblogging] Re: is
 creative commons broken? that:
 Who gave CC a mandate to create these licenses anyway?   What's the
 difference in having
 a CC license and just stating your intent on your site (e.g. Please
 feel free to use my work
 in any way you see fit but if you make any money from it I require
 10% of gross revenue
 and a foot massage)

 because it is backed up by a legal team willing to take someone to
 court to maintain this right if someone doesn't do what you say in
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: What makes a good vlog?

2006-03-10 Thread robert a/k/a r

There are no good or bad vlogs, only good or bad vloggers.


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: another service added to test page

2006-03-08 Thread robert a/k/a r

Nice, Dierdré.

Is the link to your page now in the wiki and on freevlog (etc.)?

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On 3/3/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
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Merged with Bolt. Uploading video now (or trying to).

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Re: [videoblogging] Create Post Videos

2006-03-08 Thread robert a/k/a r

Are you iin the same business as:

http://eyespot.com


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On Mar 8, 2006, at 1:00 PM, peterzottolo wrote:

 Hey everyone, I know there's a lot of ways to make videos, and lots
 of places to host them, but not too many that do easy creating 
 hosting.  My company, SightSpeed, is trying to do that.  ...



 
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Re: [videoblogging] RE: It's a time to Celebrate!!!!!!

2006-03-04 Thread robert a/k/a r

Correct. Times have changed.

In the stills world, peeps who would poke out their eyes before going 
RF have the right to do so. However RM appears to be going the way of 
other industries where (a) mass digital distribution is viable, (b) 
production by many is enabled by new low-cost and easy-to-use tools, 
and (c) the increased demand for low cost product. They curse the day 
the internet and digital cameras evolved into being. Fine. Look at the 
depression over at the RIAA and MPAA, they failed to see it coming and 
appear to be failing to adapt. And maybe they can't adapt for whatever 
reasons, that's too bad (Iearned the that's too bad from Markus, I 
like how he uses it:).

In the digital world smart guys like Murdock and others will take 
advantage of change. Why not. It doesn't mean you have to participate 
fully as they would like, in fact perhaps one can probably learn and 
benefit from their actions.

Many people posting video on the web are either (a) experimenting and 
don't care about the rights, (b) experimenting and accumulating data re 
effectiveness of particular distribution methods and don't care about 
the rights, (c) posting their work without reading TOS agreements and 
getting hosed on rights, but hey, that's life in the food chain, (d) 
shotgunning teasers for which they don't care jack about the rights (e) 
hosting their material production themselves purchasing self-hosted 
services (such as Dreamhost and using Wordpress) and posting only links 
to their content at places such as Myspace and not giving Murdock any 
rights.

It's all up to you. Each of us. If coming from a RM world this all will 
most likely be a shock to your system. Here you can perhaps learn with 
us re digital distribution and production as we figure it out as the 
rules and space morph. Learn about more recent rights developments 
(i.e., Creative Commons), about services other than Myspace, about how 
consumption is changing. Welcome.


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n.b. checked out your stills work, btw, looking forward to seeing 
video. definitely. any vid hiding on your site?



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 ...I've had a decent run, and times change ya know?
 ...
 I believe Rupert Murdoch owns MySpace, and as I live in the UK, for 
 various
 reasons I'd rather poke my eye out with a fork than submit work to any 
 of
 his channels, but if you do...why the hell shouldn't YOU benefit? The 
 guy is
 a billionaire - and you wanna give him more stuff to sell?

 The MySpace terms state:

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 grant
 to MySpace.com the non-exclusive, fully paid, worldwide license to use,
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: another service added to test page

2006-03-03 Thread robert a/k/a r

heh. a few more hosts / communities:


http://video.freevideoblog.com/

http://www.pixparty.com/

http://www.yashi.com/

http://www.vidilife.com/

http://www.evideoshare.com/

http://www.clipshack.com/


Please speak up if you have experience with testing / using any of these - or others that have yet to make it on Dierdré's list.



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Re: [videoblogging] Re: another service added to test page

2006-03-03 Thread robert a/k/a r

BTW, I noticed blip have started converting files to Flash.

Nice going blippers!



On Mar 3, 2006, at 11:21 AM, Enric wrote:

 Perhaps a wiki would work well?  Then anyone could add entries and
 reviews.

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 btw, soon that list will be setup to have comments so users can report
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 We hope this will be a good feedback-loop for the owners of the
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 heh. a few more hosts / communities:


 http://video.freevideoblog.com/

 http://www.pixparty.com/

 http://www.yashi.com/

 http://www.vidilife.com/

 http://www.evideoshare.com/

 http://www.clipshack.com/


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

and mp3 doesn't sound anywhere near as good a vinyl on a linn.

but guess what.



On Mar 2, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:

 Based on viewing the other videos on the site, I'd say that means the
 host is encoding my video into Flash.

 And based on that same viewing experience, their encoding looks really 
 terrible.

 -josh



 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

LOL, Sull.

As I'm sure you realise, the question is an intellectual one. Think as 
an economists for a minute, there may be behaviour to be understood 
over at myspace.

The question is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit a videoblogger / 
videoblogging.



On Mar 2, 2006, at 8:31 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote:

  this doesnt sound very productive. 
 you can spend your time working on SEO instead ;-)
 good luck though.  i'll still be interested in your results.

 robert, maybe it will have some benefit if you are hungry for any 
 attention you can get.  their are and will be more ways that supercede 
 the myspace sphere. 



 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

Josh, yer talking' apples and tangerines there.

Rocketboom is not what the majority of peeps are creating, from both 
creative and business perspectives.

Your reply brings up the videoblogging definition matter - again.

And the flash matter - again.

We all get Rocketboom is different from drunk college kids' video.

We all get that flash quality, sometimes, is not as good as other 
codecs.

The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit 
vloggers / vlogging.




On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:

 Just stating a fact. Their image quality looks bad.

 ...

 But in terms of audience... I would counter that Rocketboom gets a
 substantial regular audience (probably more so in frequency and return
 visits than any single vid in the MySpace/YouTube universe).
 Rocketboom is able to build a relationship with viewers ...

 ...

 Then again, a lot of people probably don't care that much about
 creative control or their own freedom.

 -Josh



 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

creative control. how so?




On Mar 2, 2006, at 12:43 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:

 Also, its strange that you took out most of the relevant lines of my
 previous message in your response.

 Maybe you should backtrack and read it again... the parts specifically
 about creative control.

 -josh


 On 3/2/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit
 vloggers / vlogging.

 What do you think? How do you see it as benefiting vloggers/vlogging?
 Perhaps its good promotion for your content? I'm not really sure.

 Is it part of the shared ecosystem of the blogosphere? Doesn't really
 look like it. But maybe that's just my narrowminded opinion.

 :-)

 -Josh


 On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Josh, yer talking' apples and tangerines there.

 Rocketboom is not what the majority of peeps are creating, from both
 creative and business perspectives.

 Your reply brings up the videoblogging definition matter - again.

 And the flash matter - again.

 We all get Rocketboom is different from drunk college kids' video.

 We all get that flash quality, sometimes, is not as good as other
 codecs.

 The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit
 vloggers / vlogging.




 On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:

 Just stating a fact. Their image quality looks bad.

 ...

 But in terms of audience... I would counter that Rocketboom gets a
 substantial regular audience (probably more so in frequency and 
 return
 visits than any single vid in the MySpace/YouTube universe).
 Rocketboom is able to build a relationship with viewers ...

 ...

 Then again, a lot of people probably don't care that much about
 creative control or their own freedom.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

Let's see if we can begin to figure it out.

I thinks there are several questions.

1) What do videobloggers want most?

2) What does videoblogging need most?

The first question is probably more complex in that personal preferences intersect with and sometimes dominate the group interest.

Back to the first. Methinks there is a very large audience over at myspace who are inclined towards shared experiences such as video production / audience. If this thinking is true then those vloggers who want larger audiences probably have something to gain. Isn't it easier to meet people if you venture beyond your clique sometimes?

Seems sometimes it would benefit vloggers if we (a) encouraged the service providers who are non-native this group to participate, and (b) encouraged vloggers to experiment with, or at a minimum intellectually examine, alternative arenas.

Regarding the second question, the group interest, it would be cool to hear from one of the vlogfathers. Does vids.myspace.com offer any benefit to vlogging / vloggers?

On Mar 2, 2006, at 12:39 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:

The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit
vloggers / vlogging.

What do you think? How do you see it as benefiting vloggers/vlogging?
Perhaps its good promotion for your content? I'm not really sure.

Is it part of the shared ecosystem of the blogosphere? Doesn't really
look like it. But maybe that's just my narrowminded opinion.

:-)

-Josh

On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Josh, yer talking' apples and tangerines there.

Rocketboom is not what the majority of peeps are creating, from both
creative and business perspectives.

Your reply brings up the videoblogging definition matter - again.

And the flash matter - again.

We all get Rocketboom is different from drunk college kids' video.

We all get that flash quality, sometimes, is not as good as other
codecs.

The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit
vloggers / vlogging.

On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:

Just stating a fact. Their image quality looks bad.

...

But in terms of audience... I would counter that Rocketboom gets a
substantial regular audience (probably more so in frequency and return
visits than any single vid in the MySpace/YouTube universe).
Rocketboom is able to build a relationship with viewers ...

...

Then again, a lot of people probably don't care that much about
creative control or their own freedom.

-Josh

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

Yes, this is not an easy question Josh ;-)

The focus on benefits to vloggers / vlogging is deliberate, here, let's maintain focus and see if there is something to be gained. 

Nailing down a specific or two would be ideal. 

These video hosting services becoming communities (i.e., youtube) and communities becoming video hosting services (i.e., myspace) and service behemoths becoming video hosts and brokers (i.e., google) perhaps should be part of videobloggers' strategy. 

Of course, not all videobloggers want a strategy and I respect that and they'll have no interest in this thread. However those who would like to expand their audience or earn from their efforts might benefit from any of your good ideas.



On Mar 2, 2006, at 1:24 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:

I think you could flip this question pretty easily and say:
Does MySpace offer any benefit to bloggers?

The answer may be a mixed bag... I'm not sure how much benefit MySpace
has to bloggers. But then again, there are a lot of people on MySpace
who probably don't care about such things.

-josh

Re: [videoblogging] Mr's thoughts on Myspace

yes. bridges.

everyone posting video on youtube, myspace and google believe they are 
videoblogging, or will believe that once they discover the word.

everyone pointing a camera at himself and posting the clip on the web 
is making a videoblogging.

this group is small relative top what's going on on the mainland.

of course, i could be wrong however methinks the dam opened.

videoblogging has been generalised, the pristine definition is in 
jeopardy. or perhaps it's too late, dunno.


n.b.  more pageviews than goog is a lot, eh?


On Mar 2, 2006, at 10:12 PM, juan gonzalez wrote:

 myspace

 I use myspace
 and i'm almost 30.

 It  is excellent way for me to keep in touch with my
 younger cousins 27, 25, 21, 18 that live all over Texas.

 Also To post Bulletins about Node 101 first friday get togethers,
 ART events etc...
 with 60+ aquaintences I have met by City/State in the last year
 it is easier than me taking to the streets
 and handing out flyers, or calling everyone or spaming an email
 to my directory.

 yeah yeah yeah
 the ads blah blah blah!

 Everyone works their way in niches.
 This Yahoo group itself is a niche,
 and in everyones opinion
 someone is selling something.
 So there's no differeance.

 I'm also on livejournal
 i'm also an editor for evilvlog.com
 and
 have my own
 blogspot.

 It's all just waves.
 They may all pass in time.
 Even the Archive.
 It is just what one makes it now.
 I do my best to make it interesting.
 If not for others than for my selves.
 I show others along the way
 as well, in all mediums.

 Make bridges over the flowing water not barriers.
 http://mrmultiple2.blogspot.com
 ~juancarlosgonzalez


 From: Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
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 Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video
 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 21:47:01 -0500

 is young but.and this is a big but.what if they continue to
 use it after High School and College?

 I think that's as unlikely as your daughter who is into goth still
 wearing those clothes in 10 years.

 Myspace is about unsupervised hanging out, friends and identity.
 That's why teens like it. Tomorrow's teens might use it in 5 years,
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Re: [videoblogging] Mr's thoughts on Myspace

a lot of water analogs in that last post. geez, sorry ;-)



On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:48 PM, robert a/k/a r wrote:

 yes. bridges.

 everyone posting video on youtube, myspace and google believe they are
 videoblogging, or will believe that once they discover the word.

 everyone pointing a camera at himself and posting the clip on the web
 is making a videoblogging.

 this group is small relative top what's going on on the mainland.

 of course, i could be wrong however methinks the dam opened.

 videoblogging has been generalised, the pristine definition is in
 jeopardy. or perhaps it's too late, dunno.


 n.b.  more pageviews than goog is a lot, eh?


 On Mar 2, 2006, at 10:12 PM, juan gonzalez wrote:

 myspace

 I use myspace
 and i'm almost 30.

 It  is excellent way for me to keep in touch with my
 younger cousins 27, 25, 21, 18 that live all over Texas.

 Also To post Bulletins about Node 101 first friday get togethers,
 ART events etc...
 with 60+ aquaintences I have met by City/State in the last year
 it is easier than me taking to the streets
 and handing out flyers, or calling everyone or spaming an email
 to my directory.

 yeah yeah yeah
 the ads blah blah blah!

 Everyone works their way in niches.
 This Yahoo group itself is a niche,
 and in everyones opinion
 someone is selling something.
 So there's no differeance.

 I'm also on livejournal
 i'm also an editor for evilvlog.com
 and
 have my own
 blogspot.

 It's all just waves.
 They may all pass in time.
 Even the Archive.
 It is just what one makes it now.
 I do my best to make it interesting.
 If not for others than for my selves.
 I show others along the way
 as well, in all mediums.

 Make bridges over the flowing water not barriers.
 http://mrmultiple2.blogspot.com
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 is young but.and this is a big but.what if they continue to
 use it after High School and College?

 I think that's as unlikely as your daughter who is into goth still
 wearing those clothes in 10 years.

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[videoblogging] myspace video

2006-03-01 Thread robert a/k/a r

was browsing this for a bit, wondering if you think it has value for 
vloggers:

http://vids.myspace.com 


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-01 Thread robert a/k/a r

perhaps something like this would help  ;-o

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=5672272382


seriously, can vloggers benefit from posting on

http://vids.myspace.com

there is a huge audience there, yes?





On Mar 1, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Conrad Slater wrote:

 I've yet to find the winning forumla but I can tell you this.
 I'm not using the film section but rather the main normal section.
 Whilst there a couple of pictures on my page there isn't any sort of
 trailer or embeded player. I'm still waiting for the option to trasfer
  my account rather htan having to create a whole new profile.

 Anyway, I friended 1000 people in the course of a month. Of that
 number I got 6 hits to my site.

 Go figure.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-01 Thread robert a/k/a r

heh. i wonder if the upload to the vids section is different than uploading to the filmmaker section.

i just logged in and the upload form on the vids.myspace.com page is different from that on the filmmaker upload page in profile.

On Mar 2, 2006, at 1:22 AM, Deirdre Straughan wrote:

I created a new MySpace Films account and have been trying for days to upload a video. So far, on the nth attempt, the latest attempt is still processing.

On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=5672272382>

seriously, can vloggers benefit from posting on 

http://vids.myspace.com>

there is a huge audience there, yes?

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> I've yet to find the winning forumla but I can tell you this. 
> I'm not using the film section but rather the main normal section.
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[videoblogging] http://www.motion.tv/

2006-02-27 Thread robert a/k/a r

anyone tried motion.tv yet?

looks like another one sharing advertising revenue with you.


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Re: [videoblogging] wordpress feedburner plugin

2006-02-24 Thread robert a/k/a r

yep. if this plug-in works it's an easy solution for those who use wp and feedburner. 

and if the case, we should help noobs find it :)




On Feb 24, 2006, at 12:48 AM, Adam Quirk wrote:

Very nice.  Looks like someone simplified this.

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[videoblogging] Ohmynews OhmyTv

2006-02-24 Thread robert a/k/a r

Hey all

If you missed, Softbank has pumped new funding into Ohmynews, this is a quote from the release:

x-tad-biggerOhmyNews will spend the invested funds on the expansion of OhmyTV, an Internet television arm of OhmyNews, to advance citizen participation in the video journalism and the development of OhmyNews' English language edition, pushing citizen participatory journalism to the next level./x-tad-bigger

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[videoblogging] wordpress feedburner plugin

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Anyone here tried this WP plugin yet?

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Networks afraid of vlogging?

WSJ today talks about Brightcove, big media and the adverts model:

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Networks afraid of vlogging?

Is quite simple actually. Both Youtube and Vimeo have implemented good 
UI features.

Some sites feel like dead ends, others you are always at crossroads.

Go log onto Vimeo, watch any movie, then glance around at the other 
movies linked on that page. It's simple, clear and, importantly, it 
works; Jakob knoodled-out an algorithm that works.

Youtube does it too. It's a good trick, it's called a well thought out 
UI. And as you probably know, good UI is rare.



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 Anyone explain why youtube (and vimeo) constantly
 entertain? Both have
 a method for discover that works. That's valuable.

 i'd be interested to hear more about why you say this.
  i find youtube to be a swamp that consistently tries
 my patience.  i'm desperate for a more curated
 experience of video on the web than that.  i guess i
 realize there are plenty of people with near infinite
 amounts of time to surf that stuff, but man, it drives
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Networks afraid of vlogging?

Correct. You have to find something you like and then it's easy to find 
more like it. Same at myspace. Both sites are wildly successful.




On Feb 21, 2006, at 3:13 PM, Bill Streeter wrote:

 That's what I was going to say. I haven't found much on Youtube
 worthwile much less consistantly entertaining. There seems to be a
 ton of garbage on there--teens dancing in their underware, lip
 syncing crap like that. That's not to say that there isn't anything
 good on there, it's just not too obvious where it would be.

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  i find youtube to be a swamp that consistently tries
 my patience.  i'm desperate for a more curated
 experience of video on the web than that.  i guess i
 realize there are plenty of people with near infinite
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Networks afraid of vlogging?

WSJ Reprints:

http://webreprints.djreprints.com/1413650118976.html



On Feb 21, 2006, at 6:48 PM, Chuck Olsen wrote:


 anyone with a WSJ subscription care to share this, publicly or 
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Re: [videoblogging] Will The Bubble Up Fizzle Down?

I completely agree with Josh, re-posting the intellectual property of 
others is wrong.

BTW, wasn't this a great video moment?

http://www.apollopony.net/2006/02/frank_zappa_on.html





On Feb 21, 2006, at 11:56 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:

 I agree with this... yet I also think there are some cases where
 bubbling up is important.

 But you are correct that bubbling up doesn't satisfy the needs of
 the individual and their immediate social circle. It doesn't help
 people share their lives through video. I feel this aspect is being
 lost we need more good examples. Maybe that has to do with my own
 aesthetic concerns though. I feel like some of that spirit is being
 lost amidst the wave of lipsyncing teens and plaigarized video.

 -Josh


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 On 2/21/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Most 
 have agreed, we need to have systems in place to bubble up video.

 My 2c: bubbling popular stuff up is stupid. It's about what YOU want 
 to see, and MOST of the time, that's *not* popular stuff. If it was, 
 you would be satisfied gazing at the various youtube/yahoo/aol/mtv.. 
 video pages. Hey, if it was, you'd watch tv for god sake!

 Forget about bubbling up popular stuff. We haven't nailed finding 
 video you want to watch, but it's worth trying. It's about what 
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Re: [videoblogging] Will The Bubble Up Fizzle Down?

correct. there may be some question re use of images but IANAL. Am on 
your side re linking, but again, IANAL.



On Feb 22, 2006, at 12:22 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:

 I think Linking to stuff is different than hosting a redistributing it.
 Nothing wrong with great video moments. Especially newsworthy clips
 with commentary. That could be considered fair use. And without
 hosting the content, the liability for the clip certainly does not
 rest with the blogger.

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 others is wrong.

 BTW, wasn't this a great video moment?

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 I agree with this... yet I also think there are some cases where
 bubbling up is important.

 But you are correct that bubbling up doesn't satisfy the needs of
 the individual and their immediate social circle. It doesn't help
 people share their lives through video. I feel this aspect is being
 lost we need more good examples. Maybe that has to do with my own
 aesthetic concerns though. I feel like some of that spirit is being
 lost amidst the wave of lipsyncing teens and plaigarized video.

 -Josh


 On 2/21/06, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On 2/21/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Most
 have agreed, we need to have systems in place to bubble up video.

 My 2c: bubbling popular stuff up is stupid. It's about what YOU want
 to see, and MOST of the time, that's *not* popular stuff. If it was,
 you would be satisfied gazing at the various youtube/yahoo/aol/mtv..
 video pages. Hey, if it was, you'd watch tv for god sake!

 Forget about bubbling up popular stuff. We haven't nailed finding
 video you want to watch, but it's worth trying. It's about what
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