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2008-06-10 Thread thomas malloy
R C Macaulay wrote: Howdy Vorts, Gosh, golly, gee folks, here we go again with the Jews and arabs. This time the wedge is oil. The USA uses oil like toilet paper and everybuddy knows wez intitled to it.. or we think we do. We have enough oil provided we turn off a few lights and live like

[Vo]:Re: Arata's results are really astounding

2008-06-10 Thread Michel Jullian
Robin, (replying on-list, in case you forgot to change the address line or are unable to get through again) 0.04g D2 is 0.04g D, and D is 2g/mol, so that should be 0.04/2 mol * 6E23 atoms/mol = 1.2 E22 atoms D, which makes the energy per atom half what you said, but since the actual time is

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2008-06-10 Thread R C Macaulay
Howdy Thomas, Don't know. Doubt any complex conspiracies are developing in Wash DC other than a regime is passing and the players in the great game are scrambling as new players form behind the curtain for the next act in the drama. Beyond gridlock could be the theme and the music a takeoff

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2008-06-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
OrionWorks wrote: Philip sez: ... People are where they are because it's where they are, as part of the dream. My approach is, live with it. go out, have a coffee and a bagel (or some nice organic bread) and get on with life. There's room enough for everyone, and everyone can make good,

Re: [Vo]:Re: Arata's results are really astounding

2008-06-10 Thread Jones Beene
--- Michel Jullian wrote: However it is probable that only a tiny part of the absorbed D is consumed in the putative anomalous reactions (in such experiments one retrieves roughly the same amount of D2 at deloading than was put in at loading doesn't one?), in which case nuclear type

[Vo]:Re: Arata's results are really astounding

2008-06-10 Thread Michel Jullian
Aren't gammas a hotfusionomorphic view of fusion? The energy may be released in some other way in the particular environment. Mills' hydrinos may not be needed either, after all all that's required is a _temporary_ lowering of the Coulomb barrier, as in Horace's deflation fusion hypothesis

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2008-06-10 Thread Edmund Storms
Stephen, you are making a huge assumption when you say that past lives are not remembered. I suggest you read the books by Dr. Ian Stevenson (MD). Prof. Stevenson spent his career at the University of Virginia investigating reincarnation using a scientific approach. Naturally, his extensive

Re: [Vo]:Re: The Lightning: Electric car with wheel motors, nano-titanate batteries

2008-06-10 Thread Terry Blanton
Yes, the Eliica. Quite a monster: http://youtube.com/watch?v=L7zHcvDPxYU Here's another, more humble application: http://www.csiro.au/multimedia/ppf32.html Terry On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 8:09 PM, Mike Carrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seen a video about a Japanese motor-in-wheel

Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds

2008-06-10 Thread OrionWorks
Stephen sez: Perhaps in ten or twelve more lifetimes I'll get the hang of it. ;-) Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way; there isn't any practice effect among incarnated beings. Memory is organic, mediated by the hippocampus and related brain hardware. Consequently at the end of your

Re: [Vo]:Re: Arata's results are really astounding

2008-06-10 Thread Jones Beene
--- Michel Jullian wrote: Aren't gammas a hotfusionomorphic view of fusion? Rightly or wrongly, that is the only view of fusion which is accepted by physics, and it can accommodate all of LENR when properly (re)interpreted. If you do not need to invent a new model from the ground up, then why

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2008-06-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Edmund Storms wrote: Stephen, you are making a huge assumption when you say that past lives are not remembered. True, it's a big one; it's based on the small amount I've read about brain science plus some major guesses. So far, as we continue to learn more about brain function,

Re: [Vo]:Re: Arata's results are really astounding

2008-06-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jones Beene wrote: Only problem is he sent out dozens of samples to MRI XPS and NMR specialists and not a single one will independently confirm his claim. When contacted indpendently - even Mills best supporter has hedged. Eric Kreig, no matter what you may think of him, has tried to verify

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2008-06-10 Thread Edmund Storms
I think people make a mistake by defining the problem too narrowly. Only those facts or observation that involve physical processes are considered. Everything else is pushed aside as being religion, mysticism, or imagination. Granted, if each metaphysical observation is viewed in isolation,

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2008-06-10 Thread Edmund Storms
On a more personal note, Shephen. I agree, the brain can do some very strange things. Naturally, these are always explained using established physical laws, rather like the approach we experience with cold fusion. But as I get older and more educated about other possibilities, I find I have a

Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds

2008-06-10 Thread thomas malloy
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: R C Macaulay wrote: Howdy Vorts, Gosh, golly, gee folks, here we go again with the Jews and arabs. This time the wedge is oil. The USA uses oil like toilet paper and everybuddy knows wez intitled to it.. or we think we do. We have enough oil provided we turn

Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds

2008-06-10 Thread OrionWorks
From Thomas: R C Macaulay wrote: Howdy Vorts, Gosh, golly, gee folks, here we go again with the Jews and arabs. This time the wedge is oil. The USA uses oil like toilet paper and everybuddy knows wez intitled to it.. or we think we do. We have enough oil provided we turn off This

Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds

2008-06-10 Thread Edmund Storms
You are certainly right Stephen, might does make right and land is always taken by force and retained the victor. We did it to the British, the Indians, and to the Mexicans while feeling very proud of ourselves. However, the situation with Israel is different. Here a higher moral principal is

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2008-06-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Apology to all: This is way, way off topic. I won't respond again on anything biblical, or even Middle Eastern, in this thread. (If you want to yell at me about it do it privately and spare the rest of the list.) thomas malloy wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: R C Macaulay wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds

2008-06-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Edmund Storms wrote: You are certainly right Stephen, might does make right and land is always taken by force and retained the victor. Excuse me, I didn't say that, or didn't intend to. It's Thomas who elevated it to a principle of international law in this thread, just before I went

Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds

2008-06-10 Thread Edmund Storms
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Edmund Storms wrote: You are certainly right Stephen, might does make right and land is always taken by force and retained the victor. Excuse me, I didn't say that, or didn't intend to. It's Thomas who elevated it to a principle of international law in this

Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds

2008-06-10 Thread OrionWorks
From Ed Storms: Sorry to misinterpret you [S. Lawrence]. Nevertheless, I agree with you. However, international law is a recent concept as our examples point out. So, on that basis, Israel has violated international law as well as the moral behavior Christ taught. So, what remains? I guess

Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds

2008-06-10 Thread Edmund Storms
Good idea, Steven, but I suggest a different approach from atheism. A good dose of real humility would work as well. If they would simply question whether a god as old and complex as the one that must exist in a universe as vast and old as ours would give a shit who occupies this speck of

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2008-06-10 Thread Horace Heffner
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Re: [Vo]:Re: Arata's results are really astounding

2008-06-10 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Michel Jullian's message of Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:03:44 +0200: Hi, [snip] Robin, (replying on-list, in case you forgot to change the address line or are unable to get through again) 0.04g D2 is 0.04g D, and D is 2g/mol, so that should be 0.04/2 mol * 6E23 atoms/mol = 1.2 E22 atoms

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2008-06-10 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
Quite right Ed. For an interesting story on this, read any of the biographies of Edgar Cayce - The Sleeping Prophet P.. - Original Message From: Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:10:08 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds

Re: [Vo]:Re: Arata's results are really astounding

2008-06-10 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 10 Jun 2008 06:19:12 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] Where are the gammas then? I see two possibilities (and I suspect Arata of adhering to the first). 1) The cluster of four deuterium atoms creates 2 alphas concurrently (or 1 Be8* that subsequently fissions).

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2008-06-10 Thread Edmund Storms
Good suggestion, Philip. I have read the biographies of Edgar Cayce. He is another example of powers that have no physical explanation and no religious significance. Ed PHILIP WINESTONE wrote: Quite right Ed. For an interesting story on this, read any of the biographies of Edgar Cayce -

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2008-06-10 Thread thomas malloy
The return of the Jews, the conquest of the land, it's subsequent prosperity, the hatred of the Arabs, their refusal to get over the indignity of the loss of that part of their conquered land, the Liberals support of Islam. IMHO, It's all supernatural. BTW, comprise will get no where with the

Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds

2008-06-10 Thread Edmund Storms
thomas malloy wrote: The return of the Jews, the conquest of the land, it's subsequent prosperity, the hatred of the Arabs, their refusal to get over the indignity of the loss of that part of their conquered land, the Liberals support of Islam. IMHO, It's all supernatural. BTW, comprise

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2008-06-10 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
Hmmm... Ya don't think that higher oil prices are due to (1) greed, and (2) the holy purpose of holding the world by the balls until the Caliphate is established (ie - the West succumbs financially and goes down the tubes)? It seems that the scientific idea of cause and effect is somewhat

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2008-06-10 Thread Rick Monteverde
I don't like to play amateur moderator, and you can correctly say that I have no business either. It's just selfish: I enjoy the posts from the participants here, want them to stay, and I can tell the conversation is just this close to where people begin to leave in a huff or get put in the

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2008-06-10 Thread Edmund Storms
I'm amazed Philip that you would call my analysis lies and hypocrisy. We can differ about what the facts mean, but I don't understand why you can't acknowledge easily verifiable facts. Unfortunately, your reaction is not uncommon and it is the reason why rational decisions are not being made.

Re: [Vo]:Re: Arata's results are really astounding

2008-06-10 Thread Jones Beene
--- Robin: This means two fast alphas, with equal energy, and opposite momentum, and presumably no gammas. On first read, that is simply impossible, Robin, unless I am missing something. The nature of fast alphas is to create copious gammas on interaction with condensed matter. Unless by fast

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2008-06-10 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
As for fighting thugs, you seem to forget that the people in Palestine were first attacked when Israel was formed. This is simply not true - a lie in fact - among many others I've seen from Ed. Ed can be as amazed as he wishes; his ignorance of history is spellbinding... And this is coming

Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds

2008-06-10 Thread R C Macaulay
Howdy Vorts, Seems this thread has taken on a life of it's own. Time to take the mirror down from behind the bar before sumbuddy starts preaching a sermon and tosses a whiskey bottle. The boys at the Dime Box saloon practice peaceful co-existence and .. the rule is to be wise as serpents

Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds

2008-06-10 Thread thomas malloy
Edmund Storms wrote: thomas malloy wrote: The return of the Jews, the conquest of the land, it's subsequent prosperity, the hatred of the Arabs, their refusal to get over the indignity of the loss of that part of their conquered land, the Liberals support of Islam. IMHO, It's all