On Friday, December 28, 2012, Peter Gluck wrote:
but it raises the question if/when will enter LENR such lists?
When there is a testable theory or a demonstrably practical device.
So far, LENR is, to be perhaps somewhat poetic, no more than a
willow-the-wisp ...
[mg]
The Papp reaction will be revealing to those who are interested in the DGT
LENR reaction in that it is similar to the spark discharge that is being
used in the DGT reaction. If it is true that we know nothing about the Papp
reaction, then the same must be said about the function of spark energy
By tinkering with this junk DNA, genetics experts have reawakened long
suppressed dinosaur-like traits in a modified chicken.
Cheers: Axil
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk wrote:
Genetics experts stopped calling the non-coding regions 'junk' some time
ago.
Dear Mark,
Testable is a polysemantic and somewhat ambiguous word- really testable
means it can be used for scaling up the process.
First class theory predicts and suggests
Second class theory prohibits
Third class theory explains.
LENR needs a 1st class theory and this goes MUCH beyond and
Axil, I think you mentioned this before.
The question is, is this trait really a trait from the dinosaur? Or is it
simply a trait of the chicken that laid dormant.
For one thing, we don't really know what Dinosaur traits there are. It is
irresponsible to say a specific trait belongs to
On Dec 28, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
These are positions that require integrity and some level of skill,
but mostly the former.
My two cents worth:
The integrity required is the self control to not respond to trolls.
I suggest that the blame for ridiculously long OT
My paid employment means that I spend significant numbers of hours each
day looking at DNA sequences, and the relationship between the DNA
sequences of different species, from single celled bacteria through to
homo sapiens.
This shows, beyond a shadow of a doubt that the species 'evolved' from
I couldn't agree more. I even tried to call myself a turd to try to bring
home the point that it is not worth the effort to insult me. But still,
Lomax and others see it fit to play with the turd. LOL Heck, I want
nothing more than for people to ignore me if they disagree, but I have as
Nigel, I would love to discuss DNA sequences with you. Honestly, I would
like to really understand why people say that Darwinian Evolution is true.
For example, I would like to know which basic tenet of Darwinian Evolution
you're referring to.
But, before we begin, I need a promise that no
One thing to take into account is the rationality of the system...
if too rational no eccentric ideas is tolerated.
if a system is too strict about what is tolerated it will block innovation.
it is where Tenure system can help, or the fellowship that you find in
some big corps...
it is
Theory/theology prevailing over experiment/reality is pre-enlightenment and
it is highly irrational.
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 6:24 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote:
One thing to take into account is the rationality of the system...
if too rational no eccentric ideas is tolerated.
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
At 07:48 PM 12/28/2012, James Bowery wrote:
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Axil Axil mailto:janap...@gmail.comja
**nap...@gmail.com janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Heat output can be neglected.
I strongly
http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/27/apple-exploring-alternative-wind-power-tech
nology-and-motion-control-mac-mice/
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Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
but it raises the question if/when will enter LENR such lists?
When there is a testable theory or a demonstrably practical device.
So far, LENR is, to be perhaps somewhat poetic, no more than a
willow-the-wisp ...
I am sorry to be abrasive, but this is
Are you stating that the President is Muslim?
On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Lomax does not understand that this Executive Order covers anything related
to previous and current presidents. Anything about this current president is
covered by this order. IF anyone wants to
FURTHERMORE, the notion that cold fusion results are unconvincing or close
to the noise is also gross ignorance. People who say this know nothing
about experimental significance.
The tritium findings alone are definitive. After Storms, Bockris and Will
published in 1989 and 1990, all doubts about
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
Sure, there's lots of interesting experiments but is there a testable
theory?
Yes, there is a widely accepted testable theory. It has been tested and
falsified by experiment.
That's the way science works, Mark. Sorry.
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
FURTHERMORE, the notion that cold fusion results are unconvincing or close
to the noise is also gross ignorance. People who say this know nothing
about experimental significance.
I never said the results were
James,
Which theory is that?
[mg]
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 10:01 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
Sure, there's lots of interesting experiments but is there a testable
theory?
Yes, there is a widely accepted
From the preamble to the DoE's 1989 cold fusion review.
Ordinarily, new scientific discoveries are claimed to be consistent and
reproducible; as a result, if the experiments are not complicated, the
discovery can usually be confirmed or disproved in a few months. The claims
of cold fusion,
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
I am sorry to be abrasive, but this is ignorant nonsense.
Alas, you really aren't sorry. That's just a technique to try to avoid
being called out for incivility.
No, it is pro-forma, Japanese style. It is what you say before you are
forced to be uncivil.
Good to see you're on-line, Horace... even if 'cloaked'.
Just wanted to support your wise words about why the recent exchange got out
of control... some people just can't keep their fingers off the keyboard.
To all Vorts,
Personal attacks are specifically forbidden on this forum, and I would
Let's see if I'm understanding this correctly: The theory was that nuclear
reactions cannot occur in a system such as PF's. This theory was falsified
which means that nuclear reactions can (and did) occur.
Correct? If it is correct, then my original statement stands: There is no
theory yet that
I agree that it is not very good politic to convince.
however it is clear and true.
you should read the facts. i don't even understand how people can express
so much doubt, when not simple usual denial. just read the data, and remind
that consensus can be pathologic... history says so.
the
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
Let's see if I'm understanding this correctly: The theory was that nuclear
reactions cannot occur in a system such as PF's. This theory was falsified
which means that nuclear reactions can (and did) occur.
That is not a theory. It is an assertion. nuclear
I I can be critic on LENR community, like on mainstream science community,
is that FG mania to focus on THEORY...
NOT HAVING A THEORY IS NOT A REASON TO IGNORE A FACT
you learn that when you are a kid interested in science...
Me too I want to be abrasive because it seems that most science
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
Let's see if I'm understanding this correctly: The theory was that nuclear
reactions cannot occur in a system such as PF's. This theory was falsified
which means that nuclear reactions can (and did) occur.
Correct? If it is
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
I am sorry to be abrasive, but this is ignorant nonsense.
Alas, you really aren't sorry. That's just a technique to try to avoid
being called out for incivility.
No, it is
Albert Einstein: “I want to know how God created this world. I am not
interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that
element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.”
Who is arrogant enough to say what is in the mind of God. Who can say what
God’s plan of
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Close. It is the most widely-accepted *interpretation* of currently
accepted physical theory that was falsified. The theory itself is subject
to many interpretations, otherwise known as *conjectures* in more
rigorous fields such as mathematics.
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Close. It is the most widely-accepted *interpretation* of currently
accepted physical theory that was falsified. The theory itself is subject
to many interpretations,
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
No, it is pro-forma, Japanese style. It is what you say before you are
forced to be uncivil.
One is never forced to be uncivil.
I cannot describe the facts of the matter without showing that your
assertions are ignorant nonsense. Your statements violate
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
No, it is pro-forma, Japanese style. It is what you say before you are
forced to be uncivil.
One is never forced to be uncivil.
I cannot describe the facts of the matter
[Ed Storms sent this message to Mark Gibbs. He sent a copy to me, and asked
me to post it here.]
Mark, I don't know if you read my e-mail or not, but I do not post to
vortex, so this is my way of communicating.
Jed, is right, the effect has been proven beyond doubt. You are correct in
stating
A simplified experiment is the most elegant, the most understandable, and
the most convincing.
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax is wise to suggest that the pressure of air compression
by the piston in the popper is best removed as an experimental variable.
His astute suggestion about the addition of weight
At 05:06 AM 12/29/2012, Horace Heffner wrote:
On Dec 28, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
These are positions that require integrity and some level of skill,
but mostly the former.
My two cents worth:
The integrity required is the self control to not respond to trolls.
The
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
So, your considered and thoughtful way to address what you see as someone's
misunderstandings and to educate them is to be insulting and to attack the
man while you address the argument?
Look, I am sorry, but your statements violate the scientific method at
I'm extremely interested in how this will work with their other patents
(especially the hydrogen fuel cell patent for portable mobile devices).
As always, Patentlyapple is an amazing source for Apple Patents, especially
the hydrogen fuel cell + solar + wind power tech patents they are applying
for
I found a new publiced LENR related patent application.
This time a WO patent related to preparing nickel alloy powder and a
reactor.
The description of the alloy preparation has large resemblance with recent
work of Celani.
The inventor Nee, Han, H. is unknown by me, but he has quite some metal
Esa,
This Apple story was kind of a lure. I was going to give a 'genius-of-day
prize' to the first vortician who suggested that by using mechanical energy
for heat - instead of electricity, one could possibly integrate something
like the Griggs hydrosonic (cavitation) pump into the mix.
There is
Ed,
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
Mark, I don't know if you read my e-mail or not, but I do not post to
vortex, so this is my way of communicating.
Jed, is right, the effect has been proven beyond doubt. You are correct
in stating that the
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
So, your considered and thoughtful way to address what you see as
someone's misunderstandings and to educate them is to be insulting and to
attack the man while you address the
The comparison to penicillin is instructive. Like most discoveries, this
was developed and used extensively long before anyone understood how it
worked in theory. Long before they could have understood it.
Penicillin was developed in the 1940s, in a crash project to treat WWII
casualties. Doctors
From Mr. Lomax:
... But Jojo's writings here also vary in quality.
Sometimes his spelling is atrocious,
sometimes accurate.
I have been wondering if Mr. Jaro drinks. In fact, for some time now I have
wondered if Mr. Jaro drinks a lot. It might help explain some of his
occasionally
After some additional reading, I agree with you, Abd. Or perhaps I should
just say that my assertions from last evening were false and I'm now even
more confused you are.
Which I will take as step forward ... it is far better to be confused than
to be wrong.
Jeff
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 8:45
That's not correct. There is a theory that considers cold fusion as a
variation of conventional hot fusion. This is Takahashi's TSC theory.
TSC is a tetrahedron of hydrogens bound by coherent electrons, which also
happen to be in a tetrahedral form, overlapping the protons. As you know, 2
-- Forwarded message --
From: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
Date: Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:(OT) epidemic and endemic
To: Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com
Cc: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
On Dec 29, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Mark Gibbs wrote:
Ed,
On Sat,
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
Ye gods, man. Calm down.
I am calm. If you think I am exited you are projecting. This cognitive
dissonance on your side.
I am calm because I have been writing this sort of thing for decades; I can
do it in my sleep. Also because I used to teach. I am quite
From Mark Gibbs
Look, I am sorry,
No, you're not. You can't get over your emotionality.
... I cannot think of a way to say that politely.
Oh, I'm sure you could if you tried. But you don't want to.
Rothwell is what Rothwell does. I would suggest you get over it,
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
So what?! We have had a number of companies and individuals making
significant claims about productizing something that they contend is
CF/LENR.
Rossi is the only one I can think of. I suggest you ignore him. He has not
published any scientific data. The
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 2:56 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
From Mark Gibbs
And remember, this whole discussion is Peter's fault ...
Peter's fault? Whatever...
I was joking. Of course it wasn't his fault ... this may not be the place
for levity.
I am of the opinion that Anderson localization is among the many Quantum
mechanical mechanisms that are central to and underlie the some lines of
LENR technology.
These lines involve hairy nickel nano-particles and cracks in metal
lattices to be more specific.
American physicist Philip W.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 29, 2012, at 16:42, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
I was joking. Of course it wasn't his fault ... this may not be the place
for levity.
Levity is difficult to pick up on during a fine-grained discussion of details,
unfortunately.
About the sensationalizers
Faith is the most precious of God’s gifts.
I envy the faith of the fundamentalist who can see beyond the human
failings and cardinal sins of the men that seem to have come to universally
affect the establishment, doctrine, practice, and liturgy of most
established religions.
As a human endeavor,
Thanks, Teslaalset - Good find.
Excellent resource list of patent applications also.
The same applicant (I believe) submitted an earlier patent application -
METHODS OF MAKING AND USING PALLADIUM ALLOYS
WIPO Patent Application WO/2012/141761
Faith is the most precious of God’s gifts.
I envy the faith of the fundamentalist who can see beyond the human
failings and cardinal sins of the men that seem to have come to universally
affect the establishment, doctrine, practice, and liturgy of most
established religions.
As a human endeavor,
Yes, Axil, as a matter of fact, God did set up evolution to preserve and
protect life. It's called microevolution. God has put on the genone all the
necessary tools that an organism needs to rapidly change and adapt to
stressess. The organism merely expresses a dormant trait already encoded
I haven't insulted anyone for over 24 hours now and I thought that things would
start to simmer down as people stopped insulting me; and yet out of the blue, a
fresh insult pops up to stoke new heat on the dying embers of the conflict.
SVJ has admitted openly that he does this intentionally to
No, I am not stating that the President is a muslim. I am stating that
the Usurper is a muslim. We currently don't have a legitimate president; we
have a usurper sitting on the throne.
Why doesn't he just come clean? He could do this with a single 2 minute
phone call to the Hawaiian
I recommend you this story, specially the animated version:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urotsukid%C5%8Dji
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRfLQIjxvq8
BTW, this is not safe for work. It's very gruesome, although, it's just
animation.
2012/12/30 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com
He won't because
Oh, damn. This is a sequel. But the original is not hard to find.
2012/12/30 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
I recommend you this story, specially the animated version:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urotsukid%C5%8Dji
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRfLQIjxvq8
BTW, this is not safe for
As I see it, your problem is based on the belief that the bible is the
error free inspired word of God; and that every one of its words is
factually true and must be believed as written.
You are forced to defend every holy word as literal truth.
This is a road to far for me. For example, I find
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
The Ethic of Reciprocity -- often called the Golden Rule in Christianity
-- simply states that we are to treat other people as we would wish to be
treated ourselves.
Almost all organized religions have such an ethic. In
I hate to say Amen Brother, and sound cliche, but, Amen Brother!
Alexander Hollins
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
As I see it, your problem is based on the belief that the bible is the
error free inspired word of God; and that every one of its words is
At 05:07 PM 12/29/2012, Mark Gibbs wrote:
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Jed Rothwell
mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.comjedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark Gibbs mailto:mgi...@gibbs.commgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
So, your considered and thoughtful way to address what you see as
someone's
“This is the pattern of a corrupt leader proped up by a corrupt shadow
government strengthened by corrupt demonic forces.”
This accusation is categorically true for G. W. Bush.
His election was notorious for a controversy over the awarding of Florida's
25 electoral votes, and the subsequent
Fair enough.
Yes, the Bible does condone many retrograde acts, though not require it. There
are as you say, corrupt and sinful men. However, many of the retrograde acts
like polygamy and slavery have been stopped by Jesus Christ. That is the mark
of a real teacher.
The Bible does not
At 03:20 PM 12/29/2012, Axil Axil wrote:
The height that the weighted piston travels upward to a stop
determines the output energy of the popper.
Well, that shows the work done by the piston.
Unavoidably, the energy associated with the feedback current must be
determined and added to the
Yes, Axil, I am honest enough to acknowledge that I have been wrong about GW
Bush. I was a strong supporter of G.W. Bush at that time but have since
changed my view. His membership in the Skull and Bones secret society should
have tipped me off sooner, but I was preoccupied with partisanship
With the question of the divinity of Christ set aside, the major thrust of
his ministry was directed at correcting the abuses and faults promulgated
in the Old Testament.
From an early age, Christ knew that the bible was flawed and he strove to
rewrite it through the inspiration and agency of his
Excellent analysis Lomax. You sure pinned it down. Just like the excellent
Jojo is an Alcoholic bullcrap and the Jojo has had a rough childhood fairy
tale. LOL Keep up the good work guys.
Bullies will always be bullies.
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Abd ul-Rahman
At 04:14 PM 12/29/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Mark Gibbs mailto:mgi...@gibbs.commgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
So, your considered and thoughtful way to address what you see as
someone's misunderstandings and to educate them is to be insulting
and to attack the man while you address the argument?
Mark, insults from me will stop the moment insults to me stops. It's that
simple.
And it's not about turning the other cheek and forgive, cause I have done
that. This is now way beyond forgiveness of an occasional insult. This is
now about fighting back against systemic and organized
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 9:15 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
1) The coefficient of thermal expansion between the plastic and the
metal coatings are at least an order of magnitude different. This
causes stresses between the coating layers and the core of plastic
ball.
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
About the sensationalizers and entrepreneurs who make claims, beyond Rossi
and Defkalion there is Brillouin, and further afield, there are Lattice
Energy, the Rohner brothers and Nanospire. We have a lot of fun analyzing
their claims in great detail
At 05:04 PM 12/29/2012, Mark Gibbs wrote:
I admit that there appears to be evidence of something remarkable. I
just want to find out what's real and what's fake.
Great, Mark. How do you want to approach this, to find out?
We can tell you that the Fleischmann Pons Heat Effect is the result
of
At 05:25 PM 12/29/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote:
After some additional reading, I agree with you, Abd. Or perhaps I
should just say that my assertions from last evening were false and
I'm now even more confused you are.
Which I will take as step forward ... it is far better to be
confused than
“But how about Obama? Do you think that his Birth Certificate have been
vetted properly and openly? Do you think Obama is a legitimately qualified
president? Can you conclude that he is a Natural-Born U.S. Citizen based on
the scanned BC he has put up of the Internet? Cause other than this scanned
At 05:28 PM 12/29/2012, Daniel Rocha wrote:
That's not correct. There is a theory that considers cold fusion as
a variation of conventional hot fusion. This is Takahashi's TSC theory.
Eek. No. TSC theory isn't a variation of hot fusion. But maybe you
could define the words to make it so.
Axil, court battles have been inititated to force the revelation of Obama's
vault BC, but it has always been dismissed on technicality. Supposedly, no
American citizen can bring a charge against Obma because he has not been
specifically aggrieved or hurt by the elevation of an unqualified
At 09:29 PM 12/29/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
... my caustic postings are exclusively directed at people who insult me;
I challenged anyone to sieve thru the archives to see if I have
insulted people who have not insulted me.
Barack Obama. Evolutionary biologists. Muhammad. His wife, Ayesha.
Well, take a look at this paper, which was presented this month in JCF13
earlier this month:
http://vixra.org/abs/1209.0057
Not after the fusion, but well, some ideas of what might happen during
fusion.
2012/12/30 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com
He's only analyzed the symmetrical
The erroneous acts of polygamy and slavery were never commanded in the Old
Testament, only controlled and condoned.
Jesus Christ came to complete the Old Covenant, the real Old Covenant with God
the Father, not the corrupted Judaism that it has become by the time he
entered the scene.
One
The info in the bible was not edited and sanctioned as sacred until the
First Council of Nicaea. At that time, the heretics were identified and the
bible was purified.
Therefore, how could Christ accept a book that had not yet been written?
The Old Testament contains 39 (Protestant) or 46
That is in error, my friend. The Old Testament was completed several hundreds
years before Christ. In fact, the entire Old Testament was translated to Greek
about 323 BC. That version of the Old Testatment is known as the Septuagint.
The New Testament books were compiled and assembled by a
Let me now come to my senses. When the essential beliefs of a person are
questioned, you question the quintessential essence of the person
themselves.
I dare not do that.
I will not change my beliefs and neither will you.
Let be stop before I irrevocable offend you in my zeal to win the
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