Re: [Vo]:Time, Mass, Gravity

2013-11-07 Thread David Roberson
To slow down the gyroscope you would need to apply a retarding force. Any energy loss would show up as an increase of energy of the system that applies the retarding force. In order to get your gyroscope into a higher position than it begins requires you to apply a force against the gravitati

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Mark Gibbs
I'm not really qualified to evaluate phrases such as "powerful crested cnoid de Broglie Matter wave soliton wave packages that were doubly periodic and followed the Jacobi Elliptic functions exactly, mostly in the form of large doubly-periodic vortices" but I can't find any references to "cnoid" an

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Mark Gibbs wrote: So, in reality, the LeClair effect can't be duplicated either because > LeClair won't permit it or because it doesn't actually exist. > One should resist putting LeClair's claims in the same basket as those of McKubre, Miles, Storms, etc., as wel

Re: [Vo]:Face-Palm moment: Essen et al did it again! [Abd's open letter]

2013-11-07 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Mark Gibbs wrote: Another thing ... if low energy gamma is being blocked by the reactor wall > after some prolonged period of operation wouldn't the inside of the wall > show an elevated level of radiation? > I'm not a nuclear scientist, but I'll try this one -- I

Re: [Vo]:Face-Palm moment: Essen et al did it again! [Abd's open letter]

2013-11-07 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Mark Gibbs wrote: Why does the MFMP produce such execrable writing? That article reads that > it was translated from Urdu into English. > Not everyone with MFMP are native English speakers. Eric

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Mark Gibbs
You can replicate anything you please without permission if you're not selling whatever it is. If the patent details how to build a LeClair system and it's clear from the patent how to do it and it only costs $250 then it is inconceivable that someone wouldn't try to replicate it. I call bullshit

[Vo]:Time, Mass, Gravity

2013-11-07 Thread Steve Wallace
I am trying to get my mind around a very difficult subject. I am devising various mind experiments to help me understand it. So I thought I would pose my first mind experiment to see if anyone has some insights that might help me. This is my limited understanding of this part of the theory that a

Re: [Vo]:Face-Palm moment: Essen et al did it again! [Abd's open letter]

2013-11-07 Thread Axil Axil
In the third party test of the hi-temp Rossi reactor, no gamma radiation was detected. When the Ni/H reactor is pre-heated above the Curie point of nickel, gammas are not generated. Rossi eliminated gamma production when he started to use a secondary pre-heater. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:48 PM,

Re: [Vo]:Face-Palm moment: Essen et al did it again! [Abd's open letter]

2013-11-07 Thread Mark Gibbs
Thank you, an outstanding summary. [m] On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: > To answer Mark's question, I believe that if you had a gamma sensor inside > the reactor, you would see gamma every time you see LENR (Bob's opinion). > What would change is the spectrum of the gamma.

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Axil Axil
LeClair wants to use patent law to be a gatekeeper for his technology. But we all know that LENR is not patentable. If you wanted to replicate LeClair's reactor, you might be involved in a legal wrangle with him. But you might have a case to dispute the patent in that LENR does not exist. One mig

Re: [Vo]:Face-Palm moment: Essen et al did it again! [Abd's open letter]

2013-11-07 Thread Bob Higgins
To answer Mark's question, I believe that if you had a gamma sensor inside the reactor, you would see gamma every time you see LENR (Bob's opinion). What would change is the spectrum of the gamma. When the LENR starts or runs un-optimized, the photon energy is higher - perhaps in the 50 keV to 20

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Mark Gibbs
I was querying Axil's original claim: "If these experimenters wanted to produce gammas, they only need to replicate the LeClair cavitation reactor. $250 dollars will do it. A year in the hospital from radiation exposure should be enough to rid them of their obsession from gamma radiation. They may

[Vo]:Re: MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Mark Jurich
I Wrote: || FYI: ||... During last month’s Global BEM Conference, Mark LeClair gave a remote presentation (via Moray King) and apparently a CU Boulder Professor who attended, was interested in replicating his work ... I believe this was disclosed further on a Summary Present

Re: [Vo]:Re: MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Mark Jurich
I Wrote: | FYI: |... During last month’s Global BEM Conference, Mark LeClair gave a remote presentation (via Moray King) and apparently a CU Boulder Professor who attended, was interested in replicating his work ... I believe this was disclosed further on a Summary Presentat

[Vo]:Re: MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Mark Jurich
Mark Gibbs wrote: | So, in reality, the LeClair effect can't be duplicated either because LeClair won't permit it or because it doesn't actually exist. FYI: ... During last month’s Global BEM Conference, Mark LeClair gave a remote presentation (via Moray King) and apparently a CU

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread James Bowery
That's the logical implication of what Axil's saying. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Mark Gibbs wrote: > So, in reality, the LeClair effect can't be duplicated either because > LeClair won't permit it or because it doesn't actually exist. > > [m] > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:01 PM, James Bow

Re: [Vo]:Face-Palm moment: Essen et al did it again! [Abd's open letter]

2013-11-07 Thread a.ashfield
As I recall, Rossi used lead shielding on the early e-cats but doesn't (I think) anymore. So he and Focardi must have seen gamma radiation but only later discovered that it was part of the start up process and not a problem during normal operation.

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Mark Gibbs
So, in reality, the LeClair effect can't be duplicated either because LeClair won't permit it or because it doesn't actually exist. [m] On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:01 PM, James Bowery wrote: > I think what Axil is saying is that LeClair is claiming research > replication as "beneficial use" and m

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread James Bowery
I think what Axil is saying is that LeClair is claiming research replication as "beneficial use" and must, therefore, be licensed by the patent owner. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Mark Gibbs wrote: > But that doesn't answer the question: If it only costs $250 to replicate > LeClair's experim

Re: [Vo]:Face-Palm moment: Essen et al did it again! [Abd's open letter]

2013-11-07 Thread Mark Gibbs
OK, so it seems that gamma rays may be an output from LENR systems but is it the case that experimenters have just simply failed to look for them or that they don't always occur. Likewise with the incredible magnetic field that has been claimed, has that been seen more than once? Do the MFMP people

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Mark Gibbs
But that doesn't answer the question: If it only costs $250 to replicate LeClair's experiment why hasn't it been done? [m] On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > LeClair has patented the whole process including replication. That is what > he states, I don't know if this statement h

Re: [Vo]:Face-Palm moment: Essen et al did it again! [Abd's open letter]

2013-11-07 Thread Axil Axil
The very fact that transmutation is occurring is proof that a nuclear reaction is occurring. . On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mark Gibbs wrote: > > Yes, I meant not significant ... that was what I took away from Bob >> Higgins' comment: >> > >> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:

Re: [Vo]:Face-Palm moment: Essen et al did it again! [Abd's open letter]

2013-11-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mark Gibbs wrote: Yes, I meant not significant ... that was what I took away from Bob > Higgins' comment: > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Bob Higgins > wrote: > >> >> >> From a product perspective, don’t forget that CRT’s produce X-rays in >> this energy range. The CRTs were later designe

[Vo]:Polaritrons produce magnetic monopoles

2013-11-07 Thread Axil Axil
*http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1204/1204.3564.pdf Half-solitons in a polariton quantum fluid behave like magnetic monopoles* Magnetic monopoles are point-like sources of magnetic field, never observed as fundamental particles. This has t

RE: [Vo]:Face-Palm moment: Essen et al did it again! [Abd's open letter]

2013-11-07 Thread Bob Higgins
X-rays and gamma rays are, in general, not "activating", I.E. no radioactive species would be created by prolonged exposure to these photons. That doesn't mean that LENR cannot create radioactive elements - it may well prove to do so (for example tritium). However, the process for this to occur i

Re: [Vo]:Face-Palm moment: Essen et al did it again! [Abd's open letter]

2013-11-07 Thread Axil Axil
You are thinking like a nuclear engineer. The LENR process gently rearranges quarks into stable nuclear structures. How this is all done will take some explaining. But it does not involve neutrons. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Mark Gibbs wrote: > Yes, I meant not significant ... that was wha

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Axil Axil
LeClair has patented the whole process including replication. That is what he states, I don't know if this statement holds water. He says that replication is extremely dangerous and he does not want to see anybody go through what he when through.. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Mark Gibbs wrote

Re: [Vo]:Face-Palm moment: Essen et al did it again! [Abd's open letter]

2013-11-07 Thread Mark Gibbs
Yes, I meant not significant ... that was what I took away from Bob Higgins' comment: On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Bob Higgins wrote: > > > From a product perspective, don’t forget that CRT’s produce X-rays in this > energy range. The CRTs were later designed to have leaded glass to > minim

Re: [Vo]:Face-Palm moment: Essen et al did it again! [Abd's open letter]

2013-11-07 Thread Axil Axil
The wonders of Gamma ray production is inconsequential in the face of the huge magnetic force produced by just heating a pile of dust. That is the same force strength that an MRI produces using superconducting magnets. Explained that one kemosabe.. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:14 PM, James Bowery

Re: [Vo]:Face-Palm moment: Essen et al did it again! [Abd's open letter]

2013-11-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
I don't see it. They already have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroelectric_fusion neutron generators (published in Nature) which sound pretty cheap to make. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:14 PM, James Bowery wrote: > What's significant would be highly reproducible gamma rays from a > relatively in

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Mark Gibbs
Really? Is LeClair's experiment that easily replicated? If it can be done for $250 why has no one else done it? [m] On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > If these experimenters wanted to produce gammas, they only need to > replicate the LeClair cavitation reactor. $250 dollars w

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Yeah, but the vast majority of the universe would probably fail to see the irony. They'd just think it was just science learning something new but not really relevant (since no heat energy was being generated). However, those in the know will get it, and certainly look at this all afresh, which

Re: [Vo]:Face-Palm moment: Essen et al did it again! [Abd's open letter]

2013-11-07 Thread James Bowery
What's significant would be highly reproducible gamma rays from a relatively inexpensive device. Replication of the experiment would then be done by grad students whose advisers were young enough in 1989 to not have placed their own reputations in a noose at the end of a very long rope. On Thu,

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread James Bowery
Its precisely such humor that would force them to eat their hats if the NRC regulated LENR research. They'd become the butt of jokes in the popular press. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Blaze Spinnaker wrote: > "The obverse of that was when the Navy wanted to close down Miles, > because, they

Re: [Vo]:Face-Palm moment: Essen et al did it again! [Abd's open letter]

2013-11-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Bob Higgins wrote: I would say that the detected radiation is NOT extraordinary. Dr. Storms > published a paper on his measurements of radiation from LENR experiments. . > . . > You mean it is not unexpected in a cold fusion reaction. That's right. There are many reports of gamma rays in the l

Re: [Vo]:Face-Palm moment: Essen et al did it again! [Abd's open letter]

2013-11-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mark Gibbs wrote: Vortex Oh. Maybe I am missing something. I don't see people here saying the radiation might not be extraordinary. It might not be real, in which case it is not extraordinary. It might be an instrument artifact. If it is real, it is proof the effect is nuclear. If they can m

RE: [Vo]:Face-Palm moment: Essen et al did it again! [Abd's open letter]

2013-11-07 Thread Bob Higgins
I would say that the detected radiation is NOT extraordinary. Dr. Storms published a paper on his measurements of radiation from LENR experiments. Early Focardi reports of the work he and Rossi were doing indicated gamma radiation. The reports of micron-size-explosions are evidence of outpu

Re: [Vo]:Face-Palm moment: Essen et al did it again! [Abd's open letter]

2013-11-07 Thread Mark Gibbs
Vortex [m] On Thursday, November 7, 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mark Gibbs 'mgi...@gibbs.com');>> wrote: > > So, from other threads on this list it sounds like it's possible that the >> detected radiation might not be extraordinary? >> > > What do you mean by "this list"? What list? Do you mean

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Axil Axil
The scientific establishment just wants to keep the R&D money coming in for fusion and nuclear research. LENR can be a proliferation danger by enhancing U235 concentration and destroying U232 whose risk their ideology may work to ignore. Paraphrasing POTUS Bush: "Knowing these realities, America

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
"The obverse of that was when the Navy wanted to close down Miles, because, they said, it might be dangerous. He sent them skeptical comments and articles from the New York Times claiming cold fusion does not exist. He pointed out that if it does not exist, it cannot be dangerous. They admitted he

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
WELL I dunno about eating its hat. They certain didn't freak out when http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroelectric_fusion was published. I think until significant heat is generated, the establishment won't feel particularly bad about itself. But this will certainly move things in the right directi

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery wrote: Good grief, Axil. If the NRC roadblocks a LENR system, it means the > scientific establishment has to immediately eat its hat. > True! That would mean it is real. The obverse of that was when the Navy wanted to close down Miles, because, they said, it might be dangerous. He

Re: [Vo]:Face-Palm moment: Essen et al did it again! [Abd's open letter]

2013-11-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mark Gibbs wrote: So, from other threads on this list it sounds like it's possible that the > detected radiation might not be extraordinary? > What do you mean by "this list"? What list? Do you mean the comments at the MFMP? http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/follow/follow-2/347-gamma - J

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread James Bowery
Good grief, Axil. If the NRC roadblocks a LENR system, it means the scientific establishment has to immediately eat its hat. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > A LENR reaction that produces gammas is useless because of the NRC > roadblock. > > Rossi bent over backward to rid hi

Re: [Vo]:Face-Palm moment: Essen et al did it again! [Abd's open letter]

2013-11-07 Thread Mark Gibbs
So, from other threads on this list it sounds like it's possible that the detected radiation might not be extraordinary? [m] On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: > So that pundits like you can write that threshold article that pushes the > world that one last inch. When life

Re: [Vo]:Sir Clarke's Private Home

2013-11-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
You mean Sir Arthur. It is Sir + first name, for some reason. Ask the Queen. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
I agree, we are all immersed in weakly ionizing radiation all of the time, worse during storms or if you happen to live near a Doppler weather radar tower... You guys might want to check out my Google Earth maps of 10 months of increased fish kills, algae blooms, sinkholes and waterspouts, they ar

Re: [Vo]:Face-Palm moment: Essen et al did it again! [Abd's open letter]

2013-11-07 Thread Kevin O'Malley
So that pundits like you can write that threshold article that pushes the world that one last inch. When life gives you lemons, make some lemonade, man. On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Mark Gibbs wrote: > Why does the MFMP produce such execrable writing? That article reads that > it was transl

[Vo]:Sir Clarke's Private Home

2013-11-07 Thread Terry Blanton
in Colombo. Remarkable chance to make that visit and share these photos. Surprisingly, considering his proclivities, kept a (pirate) copy of "Barbarella" to Jane's embarrassment I'm certain. http://asiaobscura.com/2013/11/sifting-through-arthur-c-clarkes-dvd-collection-in-colombo.html

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Bob Higgins wrote: I believe the MFMP attempt to detect gamma is the correct thing to do. > I agree, for the reasons you listed plus one more: it would help convince some fence-sitting people who are leaning toward belief. > When you first begin generating LENR, you likely will not be optimiz

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Axil Axil
This is true, So what purpose does it serve to show it? On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Blaze Spinnaker wrote: > He (and most cold fusion researchers) are regarded as mad because nobody > mainstream believes that radiation was generated. > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > >

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
He (and most cold fusion researchers) are regarded as mad because nobody mainstream believes that radiation was generated. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > If these experimenters wanted to produce gammas, they only need to > replicate the LeClair cavitation reactor. $250 doll

Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Axil Axil
http://www.bikiniatoll.com/whatrad.html IMHO, LENR nanoparticle based reactions in the ocean neutralize radioactive isotopes. For example, the ocean around Bikini atoll is now clean and it has be clean for a long time now.. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:35 PM, James Bowery wrote: > Speaking of wh

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Axil Axil
If these experimenters wanted to produce gammas, they only need to replicate the LeClair cavitation reactor. $250 dollars will do it. A year in the hospital from radiation exposure should be enough to rid them of their obsession from gamma radiation. They may also get a dose of neutrons and alpha p

Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Blaze Spinnaker wrote: "There was no disaster in the fourth reactor." > > You should update the Wikipedia with your knowledge here. They're working > under a different set of assumptions. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster > > "On 15 March, an explosion damaged t

Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread James Bowery
Bad advice. Tuna don't do numbers any better than chickens . On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:39 AM, ChemE Stewart wrote: > We need to ask the Tuna > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:35 PM, James Bowery wrote: > >> Speak

RE: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Bob Higgins
I believe the MFMP attempt to detect gamma is the correct thing to do. From my own personal experience, I can say that proving that the heat in your test is from a nuclear process is a high hurdle. When you first begin generating LENR, you likely will not be optimized to the point where very much

Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
We need to ask the Tuna On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:35 PM, James Bowery wrote: > Speaking of which, what would actually happen if they just dumped all the > waste into the ocean? I mean what do the _numbers_ look like? The ocean > is _very_ big. > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:19 AM, ChemE Stew

Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread James Bowery
Speaking of which, what would actually happen if they just dumped all the waste into the ocean? I mean what do the _numbers_ look like? The ocean is _very_ big. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:19 AM, ChemE Stewart wrote: > Right, > > But they still need water. Good thing they had an ocean close by

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Anyways, the reality is (remember that? reality?) that MFMP is constrained by resources just like everyone else is in the physical real world. If you have experiments that you would like to see done and tools/equipment/materials you can give them, I am pretty sure they'd be all over that.

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Axil Axil
We know that wings on airplanes work, and wheels on cars also work, why do you want to build a new aircraft without wings and a new car without wheels? We know how LENR works well and why reinvent it with a new unproven technology?. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Blaze Spinnaker wrote: > No

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Axil Axil
DGT has replicated Rossi and has gone beyond him. IMHO. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Blaze Spinnaker wrote: > Nobody has replicated what Rossi has done and he doesn't share what he > does. > > Frankly, that's what's really useless here. > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Axil Axil wrote:

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Nobody has replicated what Rossi has done and he doesn't share what he does. Frankly, that's what's really useless here. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > A LENR reaction that produces gammas is useless because of the NRC > roadblock. > > Rossi bent over backward to rid his sy

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Axil Axil
A LENR reaction that produces gammas is useless because of the NRC roadblock. Rossi bent over backward to rid his system of gammas and for good reasons. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Blaze Spinnaker wrote: > If it generates gamma and its replicated you don't think that's an > interesting con

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
The LENR researcher trying to say what someone else is doing is counterproductive and misguided. Juicy. Reminds me of how african americans were so happy to discriminate against gays. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > My bad assumption, the effort is directed toward the Ce

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Axil Axil
My bad assumption, the effort is directed toward the Celani cell. Let me restate. IMHO, working on a non-Nano powder passed reaction is misguided and counterproductive. If we cannot convince nuclear engineers that a Ni/H reactor in a third party test works, a non-nanopowder bases cell has

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
If it generates gamma and its replicated you don't think that's an interesting contribution to science? I think if something strange and unexpected is happening (at least to the wide world of science) even if it is orthogonal to your purpose, I think it makes sense to follow where it leads. Quite

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Axil Axil
IMHO, working on the F&P cell and the Pd/D reaction is misguided and counterproductive. If we cannot convince nuclear engineers that a Ni/H reactor in a third party test works, a F&P cell has nor hope of doing so. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Blaze Spinnaker wrote: > "The production of gamm

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
"[UPDATE #1] Jean-Paul Biberian independently replicates MFMP finding inside 24 hours Jean-Paul Biberian, who was forwarded by a follower an advance pdf of the ‘Gamma’ blogpost that was sent out to donors 12 hours earlier, was so interested in the finding, that he put his schedule to one side and

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
"The production of gamma radiation is a sure sign that the LENR reaction is failing, in the same way that smoke is an indicator of a failing wood fire reaction. A hot and vigorous wood fire is smokeless." Your analogy is great cause being able to generate smoke is usually what you generally lear

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Axil Axil
These LENR workers are misguided. These guys want an indicator based on nuclear engineering to prove that LENR is occurring to these nuclear people. This is a misinformed opinion and uneducated. The production of gamma radiation is a sure sign that the LENR reaction is failing, in the same way

Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
“The San Onofre facility was opened in the late 1960s and has been upgraded since then, although not without incident. Engineers at the Bechtel Group Inc. of San Francisco installed a 420-ton nuclear reactor vessel at the facility in 1977, only to be publically humiliated when it was realized that

Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
Right, But they still need water. Good thing they had an ocean close by to hide their sins. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > ChemE Stewart wrote: > > >> "So, if the reactors had not been running there would be no disaster" >> >> "Idle", loaded reactors, and spent fuel p

Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
"There was no disaster in the fourth reactor." You should update the Wikipedia with your knowledge here. They're working under a different set of assumptions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster "On 15 March, an explosion damaged the fourth floor rooftop area of unit

RE: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Jones Beene
Blaze Spinnaker wrote: Another tsunami could come up and dredge all that out to the ocean and currents will drag it over to the west coast of NA. What the West Coast should be terrified of … in terms of a potential nuclear catastrophe - has nothing to do with Japan. http://rt.c

Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
" A tsunami does not dredge the ocean." Ahh, ok. Who are you talking to, btw? On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Blaze Spinnaker wrote: > > Another tsunami could come up and dredge all that out to the ocean and >> currents will drag it over to the west coast of NA. >> >

Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > There was no disaster in the fourth reactor. > In fact, TEPCO was planning to restart the fourth reactor, until the Prime Minister and the press heard about it. This was before the government decided to shut down nearly every nuke in Japan. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart wrote: > "So, if the reactors had not been running there would be no disaster" > > "Idle", loaded reactors, and spent fuel pools still require continuous > cooling water. > There was no disaster in the fourth reactor. Therefore, the cooling capacity was sufficient, even though it

Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Blaze Spinnaker wrote: Another tsunami could come up and dredge all that out to the ocean and > currents will drag it over to the west coast of NA. > No, that is not possible. A tsunami does not dredge the ocean. You can see what it does in the many videos taken of the disaster. A wave, by defin

Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Yeah, and the Japanese are amongst the most safety conscious, technically advanced, and nuclear sophisticated cultures in the entire world. The fact that they were so unready for this does not bode well for the rest of the world. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:00 AM, ChemE Stewart wrote: > Jed, > >

Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread ChemE Stewart
Jed, There will always be a series of events that lead up to any/all disasters of this sort. The fact is we have had at least 3 major nuclear incidents in 35 years, that is once every approx. 12 years. Expect another one within the same period. "So, if the reactors had not been running there wo

Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Another tsunami could come up and dredge all that out to the ocean and currents will drag it over to the west coast of NA. Tsnuami is a japanese word for a reason. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > This is silly. The fourth reactor is not badly damaged. The fuel rods will >

Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
This is silly. The fourth reactor is not badly damaged. The fuel rods will be removed from it soon. Even if another earthquake of the same magnitude occurs the building will not collapse. The reactor buildings were not seriously damaged by earthquake itself. Even if they had been at epicenter, if t

RE: [Vo]:Why Hot Water Freezes Faster Than Cold - Physicist Solve the Mpemba Effect

2013-11-07 Thread Jones Beene
From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson Interesting article: "Aristotle first noticed that hot water freezes faster than cold, but chemists have always struggled to explain the paradox. Until now." https://medium.com/editors-picks/d8a2f611e853 Too bad the authors do not know h

Re: [Vo]:Why Hot Water Freezes Faster Than Cold - Physicist Solve the Mpemba Effect

2013-11-07 Thread Daniel Rocha
That means, after all, that water does store some memory. 2013/11/7 OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson > Interesting article: > > > > “Aristotle first noticed that hot water freezes faster than cold, but > chemists have always struggled to explain the paradox. Until now.” > > > > https://mediu

[Vo]:Why Hot Water Freezes Faster Than Cold - Physicist Solve the Mpemba Effect

2013-11-07 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Interesting article: "Aristotle first noticed that hot water freezes faster than cold, but chemists have always struggled to explain the paradox. Until now." https://medium.com/editors-picks/d8a2f611e853 Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionwor

Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/radiation-japan-nuclear-plant-arrives-alaska-coast-145848911.html I live on the west coast. Joy. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 2:44 AM, Blaze Spinnaker wrote: > Sounds like the DOE is getting involved > > > http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/us-energy-chief-offers-

Re: [Vo]:Suzuki's ominous warning on Fukushima

2013-11-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Sounds like the DOE is getting involved http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/us-energy-chief-offers-japan-aid-nuke-cleanup-20737047 On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:46 AM, wrote: > David Suzuki issues ominous warning for damaged Fukushima plant > > > http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-buzz/da

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

2013-11-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Well no, they have detected gamma rays, but perhaps not yet definitively. >From FB: Gamma - the smoking gun of LENR? http://youtu.be/ehvRxMYczK8 We have seen repeatable bursts of gamma during re-gassing of the EU cells over the last 2 months and we are preparing a highly sensitive Thallium dope