Re: [Vo]:Electric power less reliable than you might think

2014-03-13 Thread Axil Axil
IMO the key to all of this is in the anomalies, things not acting in the normal way. LENR works under the rules set forth by quantum mechanics, just like your cell phone. But you do not question how you phone can be so smart; Where does the steam come from to power your phone? Few people

Re: [Vo]:Neo-Classical Relativity

2014-03-13 Thread Axil Axil
Has anyone looked into the details of the global GPS satellite system with regards to how that system does not follow the laws of general and special relativity? On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:24 AM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:28 PM, John Berry

Re: [Vo]:Neo-Classical Relativity

2014-03-13 Thread John Berry
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone looked into the details of the global GPS satellite system with regards to how that system does not follow the laws of general and special relativity? Yes, provided you don't mean personally:

Re: [Vo]:Neo-Classical Relativity

2014-03-13 Thread John Berry
Here is a snippet from the Navy: Quote: In principle, the critics of GPS in the relativity debate have not been completely wrong. The neglected 7 factor could hurt us. The OCS software should be reformulated. Nevertheless, in practice, neglect of relativity does not now contribute measurably to

Re: [Vo]:Neo-Classical Relativity

2014-03-13 Thread Axil Axil
http://ivanik3.narod.ru/GPS/Hatch/relGPS.pdf And it is here that the Sagnac effect runs into trouble with the special theory. The special theory by postulate and definition of time synchronization requires that the speed of light always be isotropic with respect to the observer. And this is

RE: [Vo]:Neo-Classical Relativity

2014-03-13 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
I believe that was covered in Galilean Electrodynamics many many years ago. -mark From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:05 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Neo-Classical Relativity Has anyone looked into the details of the global GPS satellite

[Vo]:FQXi essay contest

2014-03-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Frank Znidarsic suggested I enter this essay contest: How Should Humanity Steer the Future? http://fqxi.org/community/essay Unfortunately, the contest judges are the editors of the Scientific American. I decided I might as well let them know we are still here, so I submitted an essay pointing

Re: [Vo]:Electric power less reliable than you might think

2014-03-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: Jed, I am really curious how you envision a cold fusion on a consumer level to work? See chapter 15 of my book, and the standby generator in chapter 14. Obviously it would need an initial power source to start the reaction . . . I expect that first

Re: [Vo]:Electric power less reliable than you might think

2014-03-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Jed is a libertarian. Emphatically not! - Jed

Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

2014-03-13 Thread David Roberson
Great essay Jed! I hope everyone takes time to read it. Trust me, it is short and to the point. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Mar 13, 2014 9:32 am Subject: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest Frank Znidarsic

Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

2014-03-13 Thread Bob Cook
Jed-- I echo Dave's comment. A follow up on different government actions around the World would be interesting as well--some supportive of Lenr RD, some not so--and reasons for their actions. Bob Cook - Original Message - From: David Roberson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent:

Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

2014-03-13 Thread a.ashfield
Jed, I thought your essay was excellent and have forwarded it to a number of people. My memory tells me the anomalous power found by the Elforsk team was higher than the 578 Watts you quote. I will have to look it up. Adrian Ashfield

Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

2014-03-13 Thread Axil Axil
One of the tragic miscalculations made by spokespersons who attempt to explain 'COLD FUSION' is the subconscious connection that they make between current fusion/fission nuclear based technology and cold fusion. In fact there is no connection. This unfortunate connection between cold fusion and

Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

2014-03-13 Thread Edmund Storms
What is gained by lying and then using a description that has no relationship to reality? LENR is a nuclear process. It might or it might not have any relationship to plasmonic reactions. The people who make decisions about what to fund are not children and they are not part of the unwashed

Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

2014-03-13 Thread Axil Axil
Cold fusion does not produce carbon dioxide or any other chemical product, so it would eliminate the source of global warming. Should read Cold fusion does not produce carbon dioxide or any other chemical product, so it would eliminate the source both water pollution and global warming.

Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

2014-03-13 Thread Lennart Thornros
Jed, I agree with David at al. Great essay. Like most that it is presenting the possibilities while discussing the 'baggage' (1989) and the current obstacles less. I hope you win:) Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 6140 Horseshoe

Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

2014-03-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: What is gained by lying and then using a description that has no relationship to reality? LENR is a nuclear process. It might or it might not have any relationship to plasmonic reactions. The people who make decisions about what to fund are not

Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

2014-03-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Cold fusion does not produce carbon dioxide or any other chemical product, so it would eliminate the source of global warming. Should read Cold fusion does not produce carbon dioxide . . . The essay is limited to 9 pages plus 2 pages of references. I

Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

2014-03-13 Thread Axil Axil
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: What is gained by lying and then using a description that has no relationship to reality? LENR is a nuclear process. LENR may be a vacuum energy based process which produce reaction products similar to neutron

Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

2014-03-13 Thread Bob Cook
Ed and Axil-- Funding for RD comes from one source and funds for commercial sales comes from the masses. Cold Fusion was a term that Jones used before PF used it to describe their results. Apparently they thought it was a reasonably accurate term. I tend to agree with the original term.

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

2014-03-13 Thread Roarty, Francis X
I like Low Energy nanoplasmonic reaction.. no need to change the acronym and decouples nicely from fusion [and gives those of us with ZPE perspectives a toehold ] From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 12:31 PM To: vortex-l Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:FQXi

Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

2014-03-13 Thread Axil Axil
I would advise changing the wording of this section From: Cold fusion would enhance energy intensive, automated, advanced recycling techniques. One such technique is to mix waste materials with molten steel in a sealed container. Most of the waste is converted into useful raw material. None of

Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

2014-03-13 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Excellent essay, Jed. All of us vorts should log in and rate it, give it a leg up. http://fqxi.org/community/forum/category/31422 On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:31 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Frank Znidarsic suggested I enter this essay contest: How Should Humanity Steer the

Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

2014-03-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I would advise changing the wording of this section . . . Actually, I do not think I can change it. There is no procedure for that. This is not going to win any prizes so it is not important. The judges from Scientific American will glance at the title and

Re: [Vo]:Electric power less reliable than you might think

2014-03-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
As I said, I suppose first-generation cold fusion electric generators will resemble today's standby generators or solar installations. I do not know much about either of them. Perhaps AlanG can tell us about the costs and problems with solar installations, with inverters and so on. This is only

Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

2014-03-13 Thread Axil Axil
Yes, winning a prize will not happen, but the writeup is public and can be inspected by all and sundry. You can never tell what strange processes that the writeup will activate in the mind of an influential party. Such a writeup should be improved over time and used a raw material or boilerplate

Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

2014-03-13 Thread Mark Jurich
Jed wrote: | I submitted an essay. Here it is: | | http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2000 FYI (minor concern): If anyone tries to PRINT Jed’s PDF in this referenced link and has an old PS Printer, Page 7 might give you an “invalidfont” problem. This is mainly due to an

Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

2014-03-13 Thread Terry Blanton
PS? Postscript? Such things still exist?

Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

2014-03-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: PS? Postscript? Such things still exist? Gad. Maybe they did some sort of conversion to PS and then back to Acrobat. The file size is the same as the one I submitted . . . Anyway, I just now tried printing p. 7 on line and in a copy I downloaded. I had

[Vo]:Re: FQXi essay contest

2014-03-13 Thread Mark Jurich
Terry wrote: | PS? Postscript? Such things still exist? lol ... Yes, in more ways than you might think ... PDFs are essentially embedded PostScript (PS) Code, placed into this new format. Somewhere the code must be translated to something that a printer might understand ... Early

Re: [Vo]:Electric power less reliable than you might think

2014-03-13 Thread AlanG
Regarding my Photo Voltaic system, the total material cost was nearly $20k, and I did the install myself. I received a subsidy of almost $10k from the California Renewables program. This subsidy is still available but at a reduced level of around 25%. My remaining cost was a deductible

Re: [Vo]:unknown mechanism generates voltage in the powder cracks

2014-03-13 Thread mixent
In reply to H Veeder's message of Wed, 12 Mar 2014 17:16:06 -0400: Hi Harry, [snip] When grains made of long chain molecules rub against one another molecules can be broken (this should happen with some plastics too). When a molecule breaks, it can either form two neutral molecules, or a

Re: [Vo]:Electric power less reliable than you might think

2014-03-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
AlanG a...@magicsound.us wrote: Inverters are required to have a 5 year warranty and initial reliability (2003) was questionable. After one free replacement in 2004 my Xantrex ST2500 has been solid. . . . How much does the inverter cost? Let me put it this way: How much does everything but

Re: [Vo]:unknown mechanism generates voltage in the powder cracks

2014-03-13 Thread David Roberson
I wonder if the fact that a different charge appears on the first separating grains which then biases the process to enhance that effect. I always seek out positive feedback mechanisms and this might be another. Something of this nature could make sense since the particles with the initial

Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

2014-03-13 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Jed: I liked your essay so much that I submitted my own. Basically a rehash of the LENR X Prize Proposal. I don't write as well as you, so you will likely have a much higher chance of winning. best regards Kevin O On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:31 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Vo]:unknown mechanism generates voltage in the powder cracks

2014-03-13 Thread Nigel Dyer
Hi Mark I beleive that there are two or three closely connected effects that can be seen within Jerrys EZ work. The core effect is that water close to a charged surface has a slightly different structure, one of the characteristics od this water is that it excludes stuff, small particles,

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:unknown mechanism generates voltage in the powder cracks

2014-03-13 Thread Roarty, Francis X
But conductive particles do manipulate hall effect and suppression so this could be an effect on the ambient trapped gases between the dynamic spacing of the grains.. would be very interest if the voltage forms in a vacuum. From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March

[Vo]:thermoelectric conversion

2014-03-13 Thread Axil Axil
For thermoelectric conversion, I would estimate that Nantenna technology would be a good first step in converting x-rays to DC power. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nantenna In the DGT reactor, there is a nickel foam support the is in the zone for maximum x-ray production. This foam can support 1

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:unknown mechanism generates voltage in the powder cracks

2014-03-13 Thread David Roberson
Now you have me wondering how an external magnetic field would influence the process, especially when using conductive particles. IIRC somewhere I read about moon dust floating above the surface under certain conditions. Could that be related to a similar process? Here I am not referring to

Re: [Vo]:unknown mechanism generates voltage in the powder cracks

2014-03-13 Thread Nigel Dyer
I wonder if the interaction between the flour and the container produces an voltage gradient at the surface which then provides the bias (symmetry breaking) that catalysies the creation of the formation of a macroscopic voltage gradient. I have mentioned Jerry Pollacks work in another reply

Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

2014-03-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
The other essays are far out: http://fqxi.org/community/forum/category/31422 This reminds me of the time I wandered into at DragonCon convention wearing a suit and tie. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

2014-03-13 Thread Kevin O'Malley
It strikes me that as so many LENR researchers tried to scale up their results, they have failed. That would seem to suggest that higher temperatures kill the LENR effect, which favors BEC formation theories. \\\ On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

2014-03-13 Thread Axil Axil
Most LENR researchers use static NAE in their systems. Examples of static NAE are those cracks produced hydrogen loading. When NAE hot spots are produced through a dynamic mechanism as they are required to keep the reaction going. NAE destruction does not kill the reaction over time. In a dynamic

Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

2014-03-13 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com This reminds me of the time I wandered into at DragonCon convention wearing a suit and tie. You could have been Clark Kent.

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

2014-03-13 Thread Bob Cook
Axil-- It seems clear that the NAE in a good, long term energy producer must be a dynamic system with feed back to automatically control reaction rates. Much like in a fission reactor where the population of neutrons increases or decreases inversely with temperature thereby controlling

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

2014-03-13 Thread Axil Axil
There is a temperature sensitive chemical reaction component to all this. A chemical hydride reacts to temperature to increase or decrease the release and absorption of gaseous hydrogen from the solid form which modifies hydrogen pressure. To regulate temperature stability, the hydrogen pressure

[Vo]:Of Cold Fusion and Catalytic Converters...

2014-03-13 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
FYI fellow Vorts: Grain of salt required? http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Justin_Church's_H-Cat This is an open source design that involves venting hydroxy or HHO gas – UN-ignited -- through a catalytic converter (the kind used in automobiles) -- in ambient conditions -- and generating