Maybe someone can help, or relay...
from facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject/posts/644226605608042
We need a Nal detector in France, does anyone know anyone that can lend one?
I agree too that most of incentive in Science is status (science in real
life is very like political in a way as my dear MP secretary explained to
me).
about removing older people from decision, I think it can be evil too.
From decision maybe, but from discussion no.
I see that older people
25, 2013, at 9:46 AM, James Bowery wrote:
The scientific approach, of course, would be two establish two groups,
one a control group and the other a treatment group where the treatment
is the proposed change, in this case the age limit.
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Alain Sepeda
LENR and we should
encourage their inputs. One day soon the operation of these devices will
be understood and we will all look back and see how the evidence was there
the entire time.
Dave
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From: Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com
To: Vortex List vortex-l
made by most people in the West.
On Sep 23, 2013, at 1:53 PM, Alain Sepeda wrote:
my sad vision is there is no vision...
some people think they are right, using bad heuristics.
some follow them by selfish interest to get chocolate medal or to earn
their life
some follow just because
By the way trying to get biographical data on Rossi, I found that
newenergytimes is cited many times against rossi...
it seems Fringe site have a different meaning when it attack rossi...
LENR-CANR is never cited, while there is no comparison about which is the
most Fringe.
so much lack of
Did you notice that Cold fusion was treated much more in a balanced way in
Chinese and japanese .
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B8%B8%E6%B8%A9%E6%A0%B8%E8%9E%8D%E5%90%88
translated:
and death issue to some industries and social
structures.
On Sep 23, 2013, at 3:52 AM, Alain Sepeda wrote:
Did you notice that Cold fusion was treated much more in a balanced way in
Chinese and japanese .
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B8%B8%E6%B8%A9%E6%A0%B8%E8%9E%8D%E5%90%88
translated
my sad vision is there is no vision...
some people think they are right, using bad heuristics.
some follow them by selfish interest to get chocolate medal or to earn
their life
some follow just because they feel right when they follow
some get convinced because they have no culture
some shut up
Godes focus on theory make me feel cautious.
anyway COP of 2 have been tested by SRI, that is the only serious claim I
am aware of...
I' afraid that like for BLP, the focus on theory may just slow down
progress.
Anyway in the past some technology get working despite bad theory... But
recently it
it seems yes.
I cannot find the report.
big organization like SRI typically don't confirm such sensible reports,
but at least they moan if their name is abused, but today I cannot find
sri/brillouin report. only ICCF17 presentation by brillouin.
does anyone here know where it is, if published?
Hi,
it is a question of the historians of cold fusion.
I remember that some nasty terms was used agains Fleischmann experiments...
beside Meshuganon used in some conference, there was an insult to say bad
science somethin like schienshe
For documentation I would like to find the terms used...
if
2013/9/13 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Meshuganon
ok, I understand now... it is like X-ray... an hypothesis, to
characterize...
not like shlock science (which is unconfirmed from IE)...
thanks for the correction.
so not much to say.
most critics seems quite untold, yet they spread like
note that WWF+Greenpeace+(earth friend?) is worth 1Billion per year, plus
benevolent and free journalists. You can add to that all the
green-business, renewable energies, EU and UN research funding focused now
on that (to a point it is ridiculous)...
I won't even be surprised if the guardian was
, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote:
VS. Nearly 1 trillion on oil industries and expenses on defense!
2013/9/10 Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com
note that WWF+Greenpeace+(earth friend?) is worth 1Billion per year,
plus benevolent and free journalists. You can add
record is easy since there is an average increase of temperature since 200
years.
there is global warming since 1800. OK.
it was not anthropic until 1950 says IPCC... why not.
today it is flat... it was similarly flat around 1940 (and IPCC pretended
to understand why, ah ah), ok mean nothing,
I have heard that for nuclear power plant the worst cost is building, not
even dispantling.
fuel like with LENr is negligible.
Mantenance is expensive.
maintaining a fission reactor a decade more is quite cheap...
is it cheaper that LENR ?
if not this mean that the fission reactors will be
At last the sad truth start to reach mainstream media.
It is a civil war, a reciprocal bath of blood and hate, sectarian,
desperate, where each side know he will be exterminated like cockroach if
he lose.
the only solution of foreign invasion by regional forces and separation of
the communities
I'm not sure that moderation is the best way, but even if so, I think it is
impossible to control the spread of LENR.
LENR, once proven, even without retro-engineering, will be too easy to copy.
If Defkalion and rossi protect their IP, team lik Defkalion in Africa,
China, Asia, Brasil, will
Hard to know what is local opinion here.
we felt shocked by Mass Destruction Weapons theater .
The way Iraq evolved did not surprised us. Abu Ghraib remind us much
(anyway I know it is normal as Stanford Prison Experiment shows).
We have hope, because some irrational love (because of heroic
thanks,
I did not find the ethnic dominance in those zone.
anyway there are arguments against Assad planned slaughter, and why not
provocation.
Note that french article on TV5monde (serious)
http://bigthink.com/in-their-own-words/what-is-scientific-mediation
Could it be possible to organize a Scientific Mediation on LENR:
cientific mediation works like this. You bring together one scientist from
each point of view. Scientist A wants to do one thing, Scientist B wants
the opposite.
today I heard France Info (public information radio) report data on Turkish
.
Some civilians rebels against the Jihadist of islamic State who prefer to
control the city than to go battling.
The locals, and the independent rebels rebels against their way to separate
goods and evil rebels.
2013/9/1 hohlr...@gmail.com hohlr...@gmail.com
ROFL
not so laughable.
it is clear that all what is said out of syrian problem, is validated by
others sources.
Egypt troubles is a battle between qatari and saudi.
Iran is developing bomb to avoid being exterminated by saudi (Israel is not
a
I have a very uncertain position on that affair, as no outcome seems good
in what is happening... My best hope is Syria becoming a group of
independent states where each minority cansurvive, even it it mean etnic
cleansing like in yougoslavia...
I expect any winner to genocide the opponents. so
sorry jed to quote you, just in case you forget old discussion.
to imagine the future Jed booklet :
Cold fusion and the future is an interesting start, not only for the
vision, but for the methods
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusiona.pdf
this discussion is also full of experience
I think , despite some details, LENr and ball Lighning are very different.
BL started from laymen observation, in uncontroled environment.
My dad talk me about that, and for him is was known fact, linked to
lignting on wet organic structures (wood, roofs). He have indirect
witnessing of people
about mining few fact I caught.
first from many articles I read, we don't have enough rare earth today for
energetic transition with wind turbines.
noit enough for lithium batteries... and both are awfully more polluting
than oil.
not sure it is less than coal, but coal is so awful soot, co2,
the regulation is based on the linear law no threshold which is false.
low dose are much less toxic, and sometime protective, and slow dose are
much less toxic.
that is a long time know fact, much before LENR...
http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/05/prolonged-low-dose-radiation-study-at.html
I use the default PDF viewer of Chrome an I go to page3.
Adobe doc say it should do to page 2...
A chrome internal viewer problem probably.
Just a software joke for the geek around :
a corporate IT selection test .
A Fortran Programmer, a cobol programmer, an ada programmer, a java
don't you see the connection with LENR denial, and with other mainstream
myth that convince half of us here...
and I don't talk of free energy or UFO ;-)
the worst pseudo-science is mainstream, it is funded, popular, reputed,
dominant, and dissenters are burned like heretic.
I see less and less
a small article, and a debate... few innocent, me and mary...
poor innocents.
http://ivn.us/2013/08/19/low-energy-nuclear-reactions-aim-to-become-next-global-energy-source/http://ivn.us/2013/08/19/low-energy-nuclear-reactions-aim-to-become-next-global-energy-source/#comment-1007003306
Nice and simple paper, very informative.
The general delusion is so hard to accept when you get the data.
If you read French I can proudly say you that you should not read La
Recherche (a more academic local competitor to SciAm) on Scientific
controversies (
note that if I understood well, the end of the output pipe was plunged into
a flow of water to cool the steam .
the result is a great aspiration which cancel the pressure of vaporisation.
if it is so, the result would be steam produced and aspired quickly into
the sinkhole
how much volume is
For what we know ,
Rossi's device is anisotropic , excited by incoherent heat, while Defkalion
reactor is oriented by the plasma flux... Some says the plasma/current is
flowing through the material.
This may justify stable oriented field on one side (defkalion) ,and
unstable (messy transient spin
does anybody here have heard of that question. I don't find it in the
archive, so maybe it is new here.
Does tritium hydride exhibit measurable spontaneous fusion via proton
tunneling?
just a very general remark..
LENR is a strange domain which challenge our knowledge in cognition,
psychology...
I discovered much about sociology of science, media, science journals, free
energy fans, ufoists, hot fusion physicist, entrepreneurs, green
entrepreneurs...
and what happen now, is
one problem I expect is lack of trust in tha pump.
it should be thirdd party, I mean provided by mega-skeptics, not by
accomplice like any commercial or open-mind company or institution like
NASA or Elforsk.
the worst problem is not managing experimental setup but pathologic denial.
about steam,
Trying to be positive I would say that is a Zeppelin failure (Until the
last failure, Zeppelin was saying that he was learning only from his
failures... and by the way we have a Zeppelin today over paris)).
Defkalion tried to seduce ICCF18, and LENR scientists.
If you add Rob's comments of
An idea came to me ?
If patent were deposited early 2012, when will they be publicated, even if
pending ?
if one company have good patent which get public, what should they do ?
what could they do ?
what should they be afraid of? what should they do so ?
who claimed to have filed patents in that
among the few irresponsible buzz to relay :
- is Defkalion bought out by Chinese ?
- does Russian/Ukrainian own a competing technology ?
- is 500 million for DGT, a small price ? If 48billion more honest? 8-o
- what is a scam artist company doing with Fasmatech (a company
manufacturing
I suspect Murphy's laws applies to LENR industry
If you read the story of Defkalion (Peter know it well), you see that they
have a privileged contract with Murphy. Even the demo for ICCF18 was
featuring few Murphy's gems...
I suspect that Rossi, and others have good relationship with Murphy
when people want to make good decision they need good information.
when people advise you but have no flesh in the game, they migh fall into
wishfull thinking, conformist vision, submission to consensus by fear.
betting, like investing have been observing as less delusional, and
information from
can work on EmDrive, LENR is an easy bet.
2013/8/7 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
about LENR I have another fear.
It is an easy bet to claim LENR is real, and LENR+ will be industrial one
day.
the problem is that this depend on the opinion
because they try to fight the delusion...
we all do.
Taleb says that for something serious, 1 or 2 evidence is enough...
I put FP longchampt, someone else put McKubre and Miley... some bockris
and BARC...
Elforsk test is positive, no serious doubt... just mental wank and lazy
reader who
Your description match the model of roland Benabou Collective delusion...
He predict few phenomena :
That when the delusion is strongly attacked, the violence against
dissenters increase (some call that circling the wagons).
That subordinate (by order, by funding, by peer-review) follow the
I think that comparative calorimetry is not accpetable, not needed, given
the hysteric level of skepticism and the high COP.
Absolute measurement of heat, not even with blank, should be the only and
best solution.
no hysterical skeptic will assume the blank is sincere, ...
even the absolute
there can be mistakes...
2013/8/5 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
I think that comparative calorimetry is not accpetable, not needed, given
the hysteric level of skepticism and the high COP.
I agree, but you do need a good calibration before
it seems National instruments asked such doublinded test in 2012, according
to the conference of Concezz in Rome (and Brussels)...
about industrial claims, there is similar concern, not of doubleblind, but
because of suspected fraud by testers.
One big fear of industrialist is when the tester
All that thread seems based on misconception, misunderstanding, as it is
often when reasonable people argue for long and cannot reconcile their
position...
First of all I disagree with you position of belief, I'm french, not
american, so it is a bit cultural... I suspect that you trust , like I'm
by the way, Defkalion clearly stated, with visible acrimony, that the Greek
government put them administrative obstacles instead of helping them...
maybe is it part of the story...
2013/8/2 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
Saying nothing is not the same as saying it did not happen or it
I refer also often to Millis slides
http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?804-Why-Reactors-demo-and-proofs-are-so-weakhttp://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?804-Why-Reactors-demo-and-proofs-are-so-weakhighlight=millis
Just to help, I've thrown out on Hot and cold fusion blog
some ideas about testing, more focused on ruling out the fraud hypothesis
that is ahead in most skeptics minds (unless here where calorimetry is
recognized as subtle art).
Maybe is it naive (and quickly written) but it may raison some
I have found some producer.
monoisotopic nickel is used as target to produce radioelements (copper,
cobalt) of given isotope
http://www.buyisotope.com/http://www.buyisotope.com/?gclid=CJfbvvvN17gCFa7JtAodDRYAWQ
http://www.isotope.com/cil/products/listproducts.cfm?cat_id=49
NILM-2491 NICKEL-58
I just relay what I've understood from following DFT claims:
- From what says Defkalion, it is at least Debye temp. the higher the
better.
- Defkalion in his paper at ICCF17, like ENEA in ICCF15 and recent papers,
more talk of crystallography properties. It seems micrometric sizing is
enough. Foam
That demo is not clearly bulletproof, however there are many details that
let no real doubt of reality.
The fact that they ignored steam enthalpy show that they don't want to
overstate the COP, since they accept to understate it. They just wanted to
prove reality, while a COP of 160 seems
does somone have something written about that...
Not clear for me.
2013/7/31 Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com
Greetings Vortex-L,
I just saw this, and is this the
route that Rossi will use to generate electricity from the
LENR plasma reactions..website:
lenrnews.eu
http://www.enr.eu
probably a question of price
http://www.isotope.com/cil/products/listproducts.cfm?cat_id=49
NILM-2491NICKEL-58
METALhttp://www.isotope.com/cil/products/displayproduct.cfm?prod_id=7517cat_id=49
(58NI,
99%+) MEPlease Inquire NILM-4446-100NICKEL-60
thanks, I've completed with details I have found before
http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?2229-Info-on-Luca-gamberale-(Defkalion-Europe-ex-Mose-SRL)p=5601#post5601
an interview in italian of Luca
I agree with precisely what you say.
No vote, nor market, nor consensus decide what is true of false...
however the problem is not what IS, but what IS ACCEPTED, and what you DO.
Taleb moto about flesh in the game is that if you have buck or flesh in
the game, you invest more energy to control
Beside that question, one participant ajb on lenr-forum make a quick
optimistic computation,
based on the safe assumption that Defkalion is fooling nobody...
(I hear the moderate and hard skeptics moan already).
scientists (with notable track
records) who don't have much in the way of past dealings with Defkalion
would be ideal (so, not Dr Kim, etc) and have a certain amount of Black
Box unfettered access would be ideal.
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote:
thanks
We have seen such a change in our society with the industrial revolution,
when less people were needed to feed the others...
what happen ? they moved to factory... it was hard at the beginning, huge
poverty, social struggle, marxism, paternalism, social security, and in the
60s it was working well
I imagine that yo know Nassim Nicholas Taleb vision.
what you do is matching his advices .
the highly improbable is much undesrestimated, even if still improbable.
2013/7/27 blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
In terms of my credentials though, which might be more interesting, I
spent
8O
I'm shocked how fast claims, which make specialist laugh, goes to the media,
while we struggle since 24 year for making evident calorimetry, tritium
measurement, be accepted...
that two weight tow measure story make me sad about the rationality of our
civilisation.
maybe is it simply
Their natural behavior is for me the best evidence.
Nelson during his own test concluded the same.
of course it is not enough for nay-believers who will only suicide when
there is no shadow, and even...
for hard skeptic, they should be very much interest, but keep some romm for
doubt, because of
The notion of bet is interesting, but the philosophical questis misleading.
I think you can more compare with the subprime bet :
If you are a mainstream scientist
- if LENR is false and you say it is a fraud strongly enough to silence
dissenters, you keep your budget, your hope of Nobel, your
Fleischmann as a hero of science, in mainstream articles...
I see many copies of that article celebrating a mainstream discovery of
martin Fleischmann in the 70s, the SERS...
http://www.alphagalileo.org/ViewItem.aspx?CultureCode=enItemId=133268
As if the Soviet of Science was preparing a
Can someone explain me what could be the link between Debye temperature and
LENR.
It is said tha this temperature match athe maximum energy level of normal
phonons...
So when Defkalion said that the minimum temperature is Debye temp, it imply
that abnormal phonons energy level are required ?
I
on his blog, Matt lewans report what Defkalion CTO said
http://matslew.wordpress.com/2013/07/24/comments-on-defkalion-reactor-demo-in-milan/
according to CTO John Hadjichristos there are HUGE magnetic fields inside
the reactor as a result of the reaction, in the order of 1 Tesla if I
remember
wired UK cover ICCF18 and Defkalion test, quite negatively but not too much
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/24/cold-fusion
moreover there is a big media about a coldfusion software bug which
allowed some serious security breach and real attack...
2013/7/23 Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com
Cold fusion often is also associated with Adobe Coldfusion.
For good results you need a second search item to go with
Exxon have contacted Defkalion ?
Shell have investigated LENR in the old time?
Ammoco funded research on Tritium LENR
SAIPEM of ENI group follow LENR conference and Rossi...
The only who I blame today are the few big physics departments of major
universities (the 3 sisters and others), who have
an expert on car engines told me that on formula 1 they succeed in keeping
water liquid around 150-160C,
which allow better cooling in radiators, wghich can be smaller, thus cause
less drag...
strangely the range is the one of DGT measurement
2013/7/23 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com
Water-only
If I understand well they have a better R6 reactor, and work on a R7
small,lighter...
2013/7/23 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
You know we are not looking at the state of DGT's art. So many secrets
were revealed today that they must be much farther along in the development
of a
I already spotted some preacher of fear preparing to scaremonger peoples on
LENR.
I'm afraid LENR will be forbidden by the preachers of fear before it is
industrial.
It became so in France for shales, GMO, and few other heretic researches.
when I mean forbidden, it is FORBIDDEN TO SEARCH.
we
It is not the dirty capitalist who block LENR.
it is the academics, and the intelligenzia, the apparatchick of science,
protecting their truth and their budgets, who terrorized even the trash
Media.
Forbes is financial, so whatever it is inconvenient they need the data.
Wires have no image to
I doubt they did not patent something, but like fire, it is hard to patent
cold fusion...
however every year there are patent about engine...
Defkalion claim to have filed 6 patents, and only one for the fuel...
You should ask JP Biberian about patents subtleties, he is experienced too,
about
Mistoro on 22passi give more details.
http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?2136-Defkalion-Demo-During-ICCF-18-(Milano-)p=5502#post5502
the reactor have started and the COP is increasing from 6, probably above
7...
the COP1.1 is the same target as the Nelson test, but it is a minimum to
rule
if the AC voltage is good sinusoid, there is no more need to measure
harmonics current. they hold no active power.
note the tha 45-65Hz is the self-power constraints, not the spectrum
analysis ability.
the sampling is 1600 samples/s @ 50Hz,
thus 800Hz.
if one can ruleout huge voltage above
Lanthanium based chemical is cited by JP Biberian and LENR active, and he
tested himself.
It is written in his book la fusion dans tout ses état.
I don't know if it is translated.
2013/7/19 Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com
Another interesting study of heat produced by lanthanum nickel absorbing
I agree that those reports give no data.
The only interesting result is the opinion of Nelson, who having access to
the results, got an opinion that it was real, not fraud, and controlled...
an informed, confirmed, public opinion by an competent expert...
my vision is that Defkalion is not hoping
Yes, I used bad word.
Official Science as a human organization cannot discover LENR before the
industry and the finance.
Of course as a concept, science have proven LENR since long... maybe even
1989 if we dig well.
2013/7/20 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Alain Sepeda alain.sep
I just read that book, it is very interesting, easy to read, and with clear
and accessible informations.
A must to read for french readers, an I hope there are translations.
It corrected some of my knowledges
the description of the 1989 tragedy is so short, simple, and clear...
2013/7/20
,
** **
Can you summarize Biberian’s LENR results with lanthanum for us ?
** **
When you say “active” this means he got excess heat from it, similar to
nickel or palladium?
** **
** **
*From:* Alain Sepeda**
** **
I just read that book, it is very interesting, easy to read
right.
for the mainstream deniers who parrot the few leaders MIT/Caltech/Harwell,
it is evident that it is paranormal claim..
So skeptic society member like Essen are usefull
It is right that best would be to send experts in energy... like Elforsk...
all that shows that fullfilling any demand
#post5368
I would need a better reference
2013/7/16 Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com
Energy Update: Speculation on the Cold Fusion
Fronthttp://www.21stcentech.com/energy-update-speculation-cold-fusion-front/
http://www.21stcentech.com/energy-update-speculation-cold-fusion-front/
anyway
2013/7/16 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
From what they said , it seems they have too many candidates.
They seems like some LENR researchers I've heard about that they have more
friend than can hold their agenda.
It seems businessmen are more open than academics and media.
the behavior of
Energy Update: Speculation on the Cold Fusion
Fronthttp://www.21stcentech.com/energy-update-speculation-cold-fusion-front/
http://www.21stcentech.com/energy-update-speculation-cold-fusion-front/
anyway as usual they miss most of the story...
being so much uninformed when you claim to inform
I see no evidence of any LENR related conference, presentation, showcase,
unlike last year...
Even Defkalion corrected the enthusiams of a reporter (Jeane Manning I
think) who announced a demo at NIWeek...
It seems NI was afraid that LENR may eclipse NI usual business.
2013/7/15 blaze spinnaker
Quite funny to see conspiracy experts repeat the holy words
More On Rossi's E-Cat: Ericsson And Pomp Rebut Independent Test
funny because they have invented passive transducers to hear typewriters...
because until few decade ago, no secret service was stupid enough to use a
computer...
2013/7/11 H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
Kremlin Turns Back To Typewriters To Avoid Security Leaks
A Russian state service in
From the french words
http://www.agoravox.fr/actualites/technologies/article/fusion-froide-lenr-resume-pour-130995?pn=1000#forum3769829
It is probably not an official title Conseiller du Commerce Extérieur,
but a consultant job, if not lobbying.
Hard to translate, especially because I don't know
I would love it, but it seems no evidence can convince the mainstream...
Making a solid test protocol is hopeless. It can convince you, but
convincing you have no value for the mainstream MY mind.
Nothing can, simply nothing else commercialization.
I imagine they do demonstration just to be
The odds are not so clear, if we integrate a time factor.
as explained the problem is not to prove that LENr is real, it have been
done since long, and mainstream media will never admit it without a gun on
their head.
No evidence will work.
The rest is betting on an industrial application.
It
For Your information...
http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?2111-Defkalion-Europe-some-comment-about-Defkalion-reactors-from-french-Agoravox
on my french article Agoravox.fr , there was an interesting response in
relation Defkalion Europe.
Maybe we could add
4- Reputable/rational organization use LENR practically.
but probably all will happen in a matter of month, with 1 being the last.
I think also about a 3bis : China launching a great LENR investment...
maybe they won't phase out anything, just be control the technology, and
yes.
You can even manipulate them.
Illusion is often symptom of intelligence.
Errors, illusion, bias, are often caused by some heuristics used to think
fast and deeply, at the risk to make errors in rare cases.
about operational definition of intelligence, I have the engineer vision,
that a
maybe I could add that intelligence can solve really new and unprepared
problems, like life.
I agree that it looks narrow , but sure creativity is part of operational
intelligence.
creativity is used for PS.
Empathy (globally EQ) is sure also a PS ability for a social animal. Key
value for
Hi Jed and all,
Some member remind about the latest published version of Celani paper
http://www.iiste.org/PDFshare/CMRV3N3-27-56.pdf
You have previous version, but not that IIST published version...
maybe would it be interesting to upload it, or if restricted (probably)
just keep the
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