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on climate crisis would need some comments CB Sites wrote: "In regards to the physics of global warming, it's very real." Of course it's warming. The world has warmed 0.5C/century since the end of the Little Ice Age, but I doubt that is what you meant. Your linked paper may well be r

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a.ashfield posts a link to a graph from the IPCC showing computer model trends with two additional plots overlayed showing data from 2 satellite data sets and 4 balloon. Thanks for the graph. It's easy to explain why the two plots are so different. The 2 Satellite data sets and 4 balloon data

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On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: As I remember from his papers, he actually tested in some tunnels to > improve his neutron detection S/N. What he found was that the neutrons > were always undetectable in his system, but the tritium measurement was 10

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I wrote: Here Tom Claytor says that the ratio of neutrons to tritium is 1e-8, which > seems to imply that the tritium cannot come from the capture of free > neutrons by deuterium. > That should have been "3He," not deuterium. Eric

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I wrote: I wrote: > > Here Tom Claytor says that the ratio of neutrons to tritium is 1e-8, which >> seems to imply that the tritium cannot come from the capture of free >> neutrons by deuterium. >> > > That should have been "3He," not deuterium. > Sorry -- false, false alarm. That should have

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E: [Vo]:Story on climate crisis would need some comments From: Eric Walker FWIW … At the MIT Colloquium last summer, Claytor indicated he has switched to Mu metal as giving significantly better results than palladium. Is this for excess heat, or for generating tritium? Eric, I think it i

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Jed, I have had several direct working relationships with DOE and came away mightily unimpressed. They seem to be lacking expert knowledge and particularly lacking in common sense. Maybe they do have some bright people but I was not fortunate enough to meet them. Just consider their record

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CB Sites wrote: "In regards to the physics of global warming, it's very real." Of course it's warming. The world has warmed 0.5C/century since the

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A few points apparently missing from the discussion. First, the Too Big To Jail Banks ( like Goldman Sachs) want global warming ideas to be true because they want to parasitically feed off of carbon trading Markets. Nuclear power has a financial interest, too – so it’s not all ‘Exxon’ on one

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Once upon a time there was a Very Politically Correct city ( in upstate NY). They sought to put solar panels on public buildings at great expense even though there was a world famous engineering university in their city that could tell them about How Overcast It Is Much Of The Year. They did

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Jed, I disagree with your repeated comments about the "experts" understanding global warming. I wrote "There is nothing unusual about the weather." If you follow the link you will see that is true.

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a.ashfield wrote: > Likewise, THE government expertise in energy is supposed to reside in the > Dept of Energy. > For most sources of energy that is true. The DoE does have top experts in coal, oil, and nuclear power and other conventional energy. > I have had an

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Jed, glad you can see that the government cannot just select who is the expert. I hope you can find the conclusion that it is only people that can get results. Next conclusion could be; that if people are positioned in a comfortable way, with very little impact from the result achieved, they will

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Where would the 3He be coming from? 3He is only 7e-12 in the atmosphere. On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Bob Higgins > wrote: > > This is a clearly refutes the skeptic's position in his

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If I take your own arguments and ask you to read them. Does that not tell you that government are incapable of handling changes and to take risks. You say that the people knows more about other issues but LENR. Just one single argument for that statement would be a surprise. Why do you not accept

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On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Jones Beene wrote: FWIW … At the MIT Colloquium last summer, Claytor indicated he has switched > to Mu metal as giving significantly better results than palladium. Is this for excess heat, or for generating tritium? Eric

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From: Bob Higgins * Sorry for the characterization of Claytor's work as electrochemical - it was gas phase plasma with Pd. While it is a gas phase plasma reaction, the reaction appears to be occurring at the metal surface. FWIW … At the MIT Colloquium last summer, Claytor indicated he

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Claytor does seem to have some interesting work. Indeed. In regards to the physics of global warming, it's very real. It is certain to be very disruptive to civilization and biosystems for 1000s of years. For some background, this is an award winning student physics paper that provides some

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On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: > If the process was neutron capture, where are you proposing that the > neutrons are coming from? > The thought was that if the amount of tritium was on the order of the background count for neutrons, the tritium

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On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: Where would the 3He be coming from? 3He is only 7e-12 in the atmosphere. > It might be a daughter of another reaction. Because the tritium is in small (but detectable) amounts, not commensurate with heat (I've even

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a.ashfield wrote: > "For most sources of energy that is true. The DoE does have top experts in > coal, oil, and nuclear power and other conventional energy." > > I don't buy the argument that you can be specialized in conventional > energy and dead ignorant about

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Bob, Thank you for your comment. That is a good argument using tritium. Possibly Eric means another way for forming tritium that doesn't involve the Coulomb barrier. To use a nonsensical example because I can't think of a good one. Quarks disassembling and reassembling elsewhere else.

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Lennart Thornros wrote: Jed, glad you can see that the government cannot just select who is the > expert. > Neither can corporations, universities or individual philanthropists. Problems such as the Dunning-Kruger effect often prevent it. Of course governments and other

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Sorry for the characterization of Claytor's work as electrochemical - it was gas phase plasma with Pd. While it is a gas phase plasma reaction, the reaction appears to be occurring at the metal surface. I have heard that he is able to tune the reaction toward tritium production or heat. I am

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Jed wrote: "For most sources of energy that is true. The DoE does have top experts in coal, oil, and nuclear power and other conventional energy." I don't buy the argument that you can be specialized in conventional energy and dead ignorant about anything new. The staff are almost all PhDs,

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From: Eric Walker FWIW … At the MIT Colloquium last summer, Claytor indicated he has switched to Mu metal as giving significantly better results than palladium. Is this for excess heat, or for generating tritium? Eric, I think it is both. The talk was in 2014 and there appears to be

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As I remember from his papers, he actually tested in some tunnels to improve his neutron detection S/N. What he found was that the neutrons were always undetectable in his system, but the tritium measurement was 10 sigma confident. It set a limit to how many orders of magnitude the neutron

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On the topic of overcoming the arguments of such hardened pseudo-scientist-skeptics as you encountered at the DOE, I suggest you are making the wrong argument to break past their inept mindset. "I have had an extended discussions with them about LENR and can confirm that the universal consensus

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1) Thank you for the link: http://www.scribd.com/doc/242284200/Observation-of-abundant-heat-production-from-a-reactor-device-and-of-isotopic-changes-in-the-fuel to the 2014 "e-cat report," Isotopic changes in the fuel," by G. Levi (Bologna University) and E. Fusch (Upsala

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On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: This is a clearly refutes the skeptic's position in his argument that the > Coulomb barrier cannot be overcome at low temperature. If that fundamental > argument is wrong, what else do they have wrong? > I like your

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OK Jed, No, I do not think the government does anything for progress. The problem is that we give them all the resources. The result is that we fail to make changes at a pace we otherwise could. I am the first to agree that many people in the government are good and provide a service well within

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tory on climate crisis would need some comments a.ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net> wrote: Mats, I have commented as shown below. Global warming has been exaggerated. To understand why see: http://people.iarc.

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Jed, first of all thanks for the many advices you give. I will try to get hold of a book at some point in time. I understand that what I think does not change the world. However, facts like government (or any organization cannot achieve result is true. That does not mean that organization is

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Lennart Thornros wrote: > Let us leave the dispute about organizations. > I actually started to address the topic in the headline by saying: > The debate about global warming is far from conclusive. I do not know the > answer. > You do not know the answer, but experts in

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that (imagined) and it has to do with economics not science. Ransom From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 2:09 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Story on climate crisis would need some comments Jed, I can not force you to look

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David Roberson wrote: > The reference that 97% of scientists believe that man is responsible for > 90% of the problem has been proven wildly wrong (<1% actually agree) but > keeps being stated over and over. That's nonsense. You sound like the editors at Scientific

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ion of man hidden within the noise. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2015 2:21 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Story on climate crisis would need some comments David Roberson <

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- From: Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2015 3:18 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Story on climate crisis would need some comments Lennart Thornros <lenn...@thornros.com> wrote: Let us leave the dispute about organizations.

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Jed, Let us leave the dispute about organizations. I actually started to address the topic in the headline by saying: The debate about global warming is far from conclusive. I do not know the answer. I do know that it is not a question we can control (i.e. I doubt anyone created the ice- age(s)).

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David Roberson wrote: Jed, I can not force you to look into the data yourself. That is your > decision. > I have looked at the paper you referenced. I do not understand it well enough to comment. I never offer an opinion on a scientific paper I cannot understand in depth.

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Lennart Thornros wrote: > No, I do not think the government does anything for progress. > What you think is irrelevant. Read any history of technology and you will see that you are wrong. Your opinions cannot change facts or rewrite history books. I have given you many

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Lennart Thornros wrote: > You claim researchers outside the government have replicated. I asked for > their names. You have not given a single one. > ​ Can be found here;​ has been given in general form and supported with a > couple of examples. > No, you have not listed

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From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 3:46 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Story on climate crisis would need some comments As for the Ph.D’s gained studying climate and all their expertise and experience, it means about as to public

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misunderstanding of economics. Ransom From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 3:39 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Story on climate crisis would need some comments The peril is that countries such as the USA will throttle their economies

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David Roberson wrote: > Jed, you can research the global warming discussion and become more > informed. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. > No one should assume that the guys making the global climate computer > models are great experts, which is what is

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Chris Zell wrote: > As for the Ph.D’s gained studying climate and all their expertise and > experience, it means about as to public interest as the history of > collecting porcelain Hummel figures..EXCEPT for their ability to make > unambiguous, practical, truthful

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period. Dave -Original Message- From: Ransom Wuller <rwul...@freeark.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2015 4:11 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Story on climate crisis would need some comments David: You said: “No one should assume that the guys makin

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I wrote: > Especially when you take into account the 20,000 people year who die from > coal smoke . . . > 20,000 people in the U.S. that is. In China roughly 1.5 million people die per year from coal smoke. The cost of all these deaths is not included in the total cost of energy because

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To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Story on climate crisis would need some comments The YouTube reference is dead on! Jed, you can research the global warming discussion and become more informed. No one should assume that the guys making the global climate computer models are great

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David Roberson wrote: The peril is that countries such as the USA will throttle their economies > by making energy too expensive. That's hardly likely! It is getting cheaper by the day. The cost of wind and solar energy will soon be less than fossil fuel. Especially when

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of climate and everything to do with your misunderstanding of economics. Ransom From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 3:39 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Story on climate crisis would need some comments The peril is that countries suc

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David Roberson wrote: Jed, maybe I feel differently about some issues that others. I honestly, > strongly dislike the appearance of the large wind turbines . . . I don't care for the looks of them either. A British politician called them "toilet scrub brushes in the sky."

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pass judgement on my beliefs. Dave -Original Message- From: Ransom Wuller <rwul...@freeark.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2015 3:41 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Story on climate crisis would need some comments David: I typically enjoy your post

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Coincidentally – speaking of the real cost of coal… http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/12/01/chinas-smog-closes-schools-and-highways/76611310/ From: Jed Rothwell Especially when you take into account the 20,000 people year who die from coal smoke . . . 20,000 people

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From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 5:03 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Story on climate crisis would need some comments Ransom, Thanks for the positive things you have stated about my previous postings. I realize

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Obviously the effects of human carbon pollution of our atmosphere is a very contentious topic. There are plenty of reasons to make a concerted effort to reduce carbon contribution in our atmosphere, not just warming - real or otherwise. The normal CO2 level in the 200-300 ppm level is compatible

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Have you actually taken the time to look at how that 97% figure was determined? If you did, you would have seen that it was proven false and that the university for which the scientist worked could not be forced to release the procedure used to reach that figure. A hacker finally obtained

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thw...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2015 4:53 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Story on climate crisis would need some comments David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: The peril is that countries such as the USA will throttle their economies by

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a.ashfield wrote: Mats, > I have commented as shown below. > > Global warming has been exaggerated. To understand why see: > > http://people.iarc.uaf.edu/~sakasofu/pdf/two_natural_components_recent_climate_change.pdf > Note Fig 2b. > > There is nothing unusual about the

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I wrote: > Not a single researcher outside of the mainstream has ever replicated cold > fusion as far as I know, except possibly Rossi. > Rossi was helped by some good electrochemists, as he himself graciously acknowledges. As I said, I do not know of anyone else who succeeded other than

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Lennart Thornros wrote: > However, you lack in logic when you say: > If there is one lesson the history of cold fusion teaches it is that the > experts are usually right, and you should not listen to strange people from > outside the scientific establishment. > That is

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Jed, So, you are telling me that the experts in the government are positive to LENR/CF. Funny to me to support but forget the wallet. Reality is that there are very few government supported experiments that has reported success. Rossi is not the only person having results outside of the

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Hello Jed, I think your heart means well. However, you lack in logic when you say: If there is one lesson the history of cold fusion teaches it is that the experts are usually right, and you should not listen to strange people from outside the scientific establishment. That is only true if you

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I wrote: > Read about Fleischmann; sounds to me like an entrepreneur. F was certainly >> not supported by the government. >> > > He was a professor at a national university his entire working life. The > University of Southampton is a public research university. He never worked > for anyone

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Lennart Thornros wrote: > So, you are telling me that the experts in the government are positive to > LENR/CF. > Yes, you can read their papers at LENR-CANR.org and confirm that yourself. Funny to me to support but forget the wallet. > The people in the government who

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On 30 Nov 2015, at 19:09, Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I sent a comment. > > Bob Cook > > From: Mats Lewan <mailto:m...@matslewan.se> > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 4:39 AM > To: mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>

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I sent a comment. Bob Cook From: Mats Lewan Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 4:39 AM To: mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Story on climate crisis would need some comments This story on the urgency to resolve the climate crisis http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/543916/stop

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Mats, I have commented as shown below. Global warming has been exaggerated. To understand why see: http://people.iarc.uaf.edu/~sakasofu/pdf/two_natural_components_recent_climate_change.pdf Note Fig 2b. There is nothing unusual about the weather. Hurricanes are at record lows.

[Vo]:Story on climate crisis would need some comments

This story on the urgency to resolve the climate crisis http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/543916/stop-emissions/ could use some comments from people with knowledge on LENR. Mats www.animpossibleinvention.com