Well no, they have detected gamma rays, but perhaps not yet definitively.
From FB:
Gamma - the smoking gun of LENR?
http://youtu.be/ehvRxMYczK8
We have seen repeatable bursts of gamma during re-gassing of the EU cells
over the last 2 months and we are preparing a highly sensitive Thallium
Sounds like the DOE is getting involved
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/us-energy-chief-offers-japan-aid-nuke-cleanup-20737047
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:46 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
David Suzuki issues ominous warning for damaged Fukushima plant
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/radiation-japan-nuclear-plant-arrives-alaska-coast-145848911.html
I live on the west coast. Joy.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 2:44 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
Sounds like the DOE is getting involved
Interesting article:
Aristotle first noticed that hot water freezes faster than cold, but
chemists have always struggled to explain the paradox. Until now.
https://medium.com/editors-picks/d8a2f611e853
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
svjart.OrionWorks.com
That means, after all, that water does store some memory.
2013/11/7 OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net
Interesting article:
“Aristotle first noticed that hot water freezes faster than cold, but
chemists have always struggled to explain the paradox. Until now.”
From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Interesting article:
Aristotle first noticed that hot water freezes faster than cold, but
chemists have always struggled to explain the paradox. Until now.
https://medium.com/editors-picks/d8a2f611e853
Too bad the authors do not know
This is silly. The fourth reactor is not badly damaged. The fuel rods will
be removed from it soon. Even if another earthquake of the same magnitude
occurs the building will not collapse. The reactor buildings were not
seriously damaged by earthquake itself. Even if they had been at epicenter,
if
Another tsunami could come up and dredge all that out to the ocean and
currents will drag it over to the west coast of NA.
Tsnuami is a japanese word for a reason.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
This is silly. The fourth reactor is not badly damaged.
Jed,
There will always be a series of events that lead up to any/all disasters
of this sort. The fact is we have had at least 3 major nuclear incidents
in 35 years, that is once every approx. 12 years. Expect another one
within the same period.
So, if the reactors had not been running there
Yeah, and the Japanese are amongst the most safety conscious, technically
advanced, and nuclear sophisticated cultures in the entire world.
The fact that they were so unready for this does not bode well for the rest
of the world.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:00 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:
Another tsunami could come up and dredge all that out to the ocean and
currents will drag it over to the west coast of NA.
No, that is not possible. A tsunami does not dredge the ocean. You can see
what it does in the many videos taken of the
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
So, if the reactors had not been running there would be no disaster
Idle, loaded reactors, and spent fuel pools still require continuous
cooling water.
There was no disaster in the fourth reactor. Therefore, the cooling
capacity was sufficient, even
I wrote:
There was no disaster in the fourth reactor.
In fact, TEPCO was planning to restart the fourth reactor, until the Prime
Minister and the press heard about it. This was before the government
decided to shut down nearly every nuke in Japan.
- Jed
A tsunami does not dredge the ocean.
Ahh, ok. Who are you talking to, btw?
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:
Another tsunami could come up and dredge all that out to the ocean and
currents will
Blaze Spinnaker wrote:
Another tsunami could come up and dredge all that out to the ocean and currents
will drag it over to the west coast of NA.
What the West Coast should be terrified of … in terms of a potential nuclear
catastrophe - has nothing to do with Japan.
There was no disaster in the fourth reactor.
You should update the Wikipedia with your knowledge here. They're working
under a different set of assumptions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster
On 15 March, an explosion damaged the fourth floor rooftop area of unit
Right,
But they still need water. Good thing they had an ocean close by to hide
their sins.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
So, if the reactors had not been running there would be no disaster
Idle, loaded
“The San Onofre facility was opened in the late 1960s and has been upgraded
since then, although not without incident. Engineers at the Bechtel Group
Inc. of San Francisco installed a 420-ton nuclear reactor vessel at the
facility in 1977, only to be publically humiliated when it was realized
that
These LENR workers are misguided. These guys want an indicator based on
nuclear engineering to prove that LENR is occurring to these nuclear
people. This is a misinformed opinion and uneducated.
The production of gamma radiation is a sure sign that the LENR reaction is
failing, in the same
The production of gamma radiation is a sure sign that the LENR reaction is
failing, in the same way that smoke is an indicator of a failing wood fire
reaction.
A hot and vigorous wood fire is smokeless.
Your analogy is great cause being able to generate smoke is usually what
you generally learn
[UPDATE #1] Jean-Paul Biberian independently replicates MFMP finding
inside 24 hours
Jean-Paul Biberian, who was forwarded by a follower an advance pdf of the
‘Gamma’ blogpost that was sent out to donors 12 hours earlier, was so
interested in the finding, that he put his schedule to one side and
IMHO, working on the FP cell and the Pd/D reaction is misguided and
counterproductive.
If we cannot convince nuclear engineers that a Ni/H reactor in a third
party test works, a FP cell has nor hope of doing so.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Blaze Spinnaker
blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
If it generates gamma and its replicated you don't think that's an
interesting contribution to science?
I think if something strange and unexpected is happening (at least to the
wide world of science) even if it is orthogonal to your purpose, I think it
makes sense to follow where it leads.
My bad assumption, the effort is directed toward the Celani cell.
Let me restate.
IMHO, working on a non-Nano powder passed reaction is misguided and
counterproductive.
If we cannot convince nuclear engineers that a Ni/H reactor in a third
party test works, a non-nanopowder bases cell has
The LENR researcher trying to say what someone else is doing is
counterproductive and misguided. Juicy.
Reminds me of how african americans were so happy to discriminate against
gays.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
My bad assumption, the effort is
A LENR reaction that produces gammas is useless because of the NRC
roadblock.
Rossi bent over backward to rid his system of gammas and for good reasons.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Blaze Spinnaker
blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
If it generates gamma and its replicated you don't think
Nobody has replicated what Rossi has done and he doesn't share what he
does.
Frankly, that's what's really useless here.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
A LENR reaction that produces gammas is useless because of the NRC
roadblock.
Rossi bent over
DGT has replicated Rossi and has gone beyond him. IMHO.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Blaze Spinnaker
blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
Nobody has replicated what Rossi has done and he doesn't share what he
does.
Frankly, that's what's really useless here.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:17 AM,
We know that wings on airplanes work, and wheels on cars also work, why do
you want to build a new aircraft without wings and a new car without
wheels?
We know how LENR works well and why reinvent it with a new unproven
technology?.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Blaze Spinnaker
Anyways, the reality is (remember that? reality?) that MFMP is constrained
by resources just like everyone else is in the physical real world.
If you have experiments that you would like to see done and
tools/equipment/materials you can give them, I am pretty sure they'd be all
over that.
Speaking of which, what would actually happen if they just dumped all the
waste into the ocean? I mean what do the _numbers_ look like? The ocean
is _very_ big.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:19 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Right,
But they still need water. Good thing they had
We need to ask the Tuna
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:35 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Speaking of which, what would actually happen if they just dumped all the
waste into the ocean? I mean what do the _numbers_ look like? The ocean
is _very_ big.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:19
I believe the MFMP attempt to detect gamma is the correct thing to do. From
my own personal experience, I can say that proving that the heat in your
test is from a nuclear process is a high hurdle. When you first begin
generating LENR, you likely will not be optimized to the point where very
Bad advice. Tuna don't do numbers any better than
chickenshttp://www.treehugger.com/green-food/chickens-out-perform-toddlers-math-tests.html
.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:39 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
We need to ask the Tuna
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:35 PM, James Bowery
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:
There was no disaster in the fourth reactor.
You should update the Wikipedia with your knowledge here. They're working
under a different set of assumptions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster
On 15 March, an
If these experimenters wanted to produce gammas, they only need to
replicate the LeClair cavitation reactor. $250 dollars will do it. A year
in the hospital from radiation exposure should be enough to rid them of
their obsession from gamma radiation. They may also get a dose of neutrons
and alpha
http://www.bikiniatoll.com/whatrad.html
IMHO, LENR nanoparticle based reactions in the ocean neutralize radioactive
isotopes. For example, the ocean around Bikini atoll is now clean and it
has be clean for a long time now..
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:35 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com
He (and most cold fusion researchers) are regarded as mad because nobody
mainstream believes that radiation was generated.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
If these experimenters wanted to produce gammas, they only need to
replicate the LeClair cavitation
This is true, So what purpose does it serve to show it?
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
He (and most cold fusion researchers) are regarded as mad because nobody
mainstream believes that radiation was generated.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:07 AM,
Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe the MFMP attempt to detect gamma is the correct thing to do.
I agree, for the reasons you listed plus one more: it would help convince
some fence-sitting people who are leaning toward belief.
When you first begin generating LENR, you
in Colombo. Remarkable chance to make that visit and share these
photos. Surprisingly, considering his proclivities, kept a (pirate)
copy of Barbarella to Jane's embarrassment I'm certain.
http://asiaobscura.com/2013/11/sifting-through-arthur-c-clarkes-dvd-collection-in-colombo.html
So that pundits like you can write that threshold article that pushes the
world that one last inch. When life gives you lemons, make some lemonade,
man.
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
Why does the MFMP produce such execrable writing? That article reads that
I agree, we are all immersed in weakly ionizing radiation all of the time,
worse during storms or if you happen to live near a Doppler weather radar
tower...
You guys might want to check out my Google Earth maps of 10 months of
increased fish kills, algae blooms, sinkholes and waterspouts, they
You mean Sir Arthur.
It is Sir + first name, for some reason. Ask the Queen.
- Jed
So, from other threads on this list it sounds like it's possible that the
detected radiation might not be extraordinary?
[m]
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
So that pundits like you can write that threshold article that pushes the
world that one
Good grief, Axil. If the NRC roadblocks a LENR system, it means the
scientific establishment has to immediately eat its hat.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
A LENR reaction that produces gammas is useless because of the NRC
roadblock.
Rossi bent over
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
So, from other threads on this list it sounds like it's possible that the
detected radiation might not be extraordinary?
What do you mean by this list? What list? Do you mean the comments at the
MFMP?
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Good grief, Axil. If the NRC roadblocks a LENR system, it means the
scientific establishment has to immediately eat its hat.
True! That would mean it is real.
The obverse of that was when the Navy wanted to close down Miles, because,
they said, it might
WELL I dunno about eating its hat. They certain didn't freak out when
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroelectric_fusion was published.
I think until significant heat is generated, the establishment won't feel
particularly bad about itself.
But this will certainly move things in the right
The obverse of that was when the Navy wanted to close down Miles, because,
they said, it might be dangerous. He sent them skeptical comments and
articles from the New York Times claiming cold fusion does not exist. He
pointed out that if it does not exist, it cannot be dangerous. They
admitted he
The scientific establishment just wants to keep the RD money coming in for
fusion and nuclear research.
LENR can be a proliferation danger by enhancing U235 concentration and
destroying U232 whose risk their ideology may work to ignore.
Paraphrasing POTUS Bush:
Knowing these realities, America
Vortex
[m]
On Thursday, November 7, 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'mgi...@gibbs.com'); wrote:
So, from other threads on this list it sounds like it's possible that the
detected radiation might not be extraordinary?
What do you mean by
I would say that the detected radiation is NOT extraordinary. Dr. Storms
published a paper on his measurements of radiation from LENR experiments.
Early Focardi reports of the work he and Rossi were doing indicated gamma
radiation.
The reports of micron-size-explosions are evidence of
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
Vortex
Oh.
Maybe I am missing something. I don't see people here saying the radiation
might not be extraordinary.
It might not be real, in which case it is not extraordinary. It might be an
instrument artifact.
If it is real, it is proof the effect is
Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote:
I would say that the detected radiation is NOT extraordinary. Dr. Storms
published a paper on his measurements of radiation from LENR experiments. .
. .
You mean it is not unexpected in a cold fusion reaction. That's right.
There are many reports
Its precisely such humor that would force them to eat their hats if the NRC
regulated LENR research. They'd become the butt of jokes in the popular
press.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
The obverse of that was when the Navy wanted to close down
What's significant would be highly reproducible gamma rays from a
relatively inexpensive device. Replication of the experiment would then be
done by grad students whose advisers were young enough in 1989 to not have
placed their own reputations in a noose at the end of a very long rope.
On Thu,
Yeah, but the vast majority of the universe would probably fail to see the
irony. They'd just think it was just science learning something new but
not really relevant (since no heat energy was being generated).
However, those in the know will get it, and certainly look at this all
afresh, which
Really? Is LeClair's experiment that easily replicated? If it can be done
for $250 why has no one else done it?
[m]
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
If these experimenters wanted to produce gammas, they only need to
replicate the LeClair cavitation
I don't see it.
They already have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroelectric_fusion neutron
generators (published in Nature) which sound pretty cheap to make.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:14 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
What's significant would be highly reproducible gamma rays from
The wonders of Gamma ray production is inconsequential in the face of the
huge magnetic force produced by just heating a pile of dust.
That is the same force strength that an MRI produces using superconducting
magnets.
Explained that one kemosabe..
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:14 PM, James Bowery
Yes, I meant not significant ... that was what I took away from Bob
Higgins' comment:
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com
wrote:
From a product perspective, don’t forget that CRT’s produce X-rays in this
energy range. The CRTs were later designed to have
LeClair has patented the whole process including replication. That is what
he states, I don't know if this statement holds water. He says that
replication is extremely dangerous and he does not want to see anybody go
through what he when through..
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Mark Gibbs
You are thinking like a nuclear engineer. The LENR process gently
rearranges quarks into stable nuclear structures. How this is all done will
take some explaining. But it does not involve neutrons.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
Yes, I meant not significant
X-rays and gamma rays are, in general, not activating, I.E. no radioactive
species would be created by prolonged exposure to these photons. That
doesn't mean that LENR cannot create radioactive elements - it may well
prove to do so (for example tritium). However, the process for this to
occur is
*http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1204/1204.3564.pdf
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1204/1204.3564.pdf Half-solitons in a
polariton quantum fluid behave like magnetic monopoles*
Magnetic monopoles are point-like sources of magnetic field, never observed
as fundamental particles. This has
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
Yes, I meant not significant ... that was what I took away from Bob
Higgins' comment:
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com
wrote:
From a product perspective, don’t forget that CRT’s produce X-rays in
this energy range.
The very fact that transmutation is occurring is proof that a nuclear
reaction is occurring.
.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
Yes, I meant not significant ... that was what I took away from Bob
Higgins' comment:
But that doesn't answer the question: If it only costs $250 to replicate
LeClair's experiment why hasn't it been done?
[m]
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
LeClair has patented the whole process including replication. That is what
he states, I don't know if
OK, so it seems that gamma rays may be an output from LENR systems but is
it the case that experimenters have just simply failed to look for them or
that they don't always occur. Likewise with the incredible magnetic field
that has been claimed, has that been seen more than once? Do the MFMP
I think what Axil is saying is that LeClair is claiming research
replication as beneficial use and must, therefore, be licensed by the
patent owner.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
But that doesn't answer the question: If it only costs $250 to replicate
So, in reality, the LeClair effect can't be duplicated either because
LeClair won't permit it or because it doesn't actually exist.
[m]
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:01 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
I think what Axil is saying is that LeClair is claiming research
replication as
As I recall, Rossi used lead shielding on the early e-cats but doesn't
(I think) anymore.
So he and Focardi must have seen gamma radiation but only later
discovered that it was part of the start up process and not a problem
during normal operation.
That's the logical implication of what Axil's saying.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
So, in reality, the LeClair effect can't be duplicated either because
LeClair won't permit it or because it doesn't actually exist.
[m]
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:01 PM,
Mark Gibbs wrote:
| So, in reality, the LeClair effect can't be duplicated either
because LeClair won't permit it or because it doesn't actually exist.
FYI:
... During last month’s Global BEM Conference, Mark LeClair gave a remote
presentation (via Moray King) and apparently a CU
I Wrote:
| FYI:
|... During last month’s Global BEM Conference, Mark LeClair gave a
remote presentation (via Moray King) and apparently a CU Boulder Professor who
attended, was interested in replicating his work ... I believe this was
disclosed further on a Summary
I Wrote:
|| FYI:
||... During last month’s Global BEM Conference, Mark LeClair gave a
remote presentation (via Moray King) and apparently a CU Boulder Professor who
attended, was interested in replicating his work ... I believe this was
disclosed further on a Summary
I was querying Axil's original claim:
If these experimenters wanted to produce gammas, they only need to
replicate the LeClair cavitation reactor. $250 dollars will do it. A year
in the hospital from radiation exposure should be enough to rid them of
their obsession from gamma radiation. They may
To answer Mark's question, I believe that if you had a gamma sensor inside
the reactor, you would see gamma every time you see LENR (Bob's opinion).
What would change is the spectrum of the gamma. When the LENR starts or
runs un-optimized, the photon energy is higher - perhaps in the 50 keV to
LeClair wants to use patent law to be a gatekeeper for his technology. But
we all know that LENR is not patentable.
If you wanted to replicate LeClair's reactor, you might be involved in a
legal wrangle with him. But you might have a case to dispute the patent in
that LENR does not exist.
One
Thank you, an outstanding summary.
[m]
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote:
To answer Mark's question, I believe that if you had a gamma sensor inside
the reactor, you would see gamma every time you see LENR (Bob's opinion).
What would change is the
In the third party test of the hi-temp Rossi reactor, no gamma radiation
was detected.
When the Ni/H reactor is pre-heated above the Curie point of nickel, gammas
are not generated.
Rossi eliminated gamma production when he started to use a secondary
pre-heater.
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:48 PM,
I am trying to get my mind around a very difficult subject. I am devising
various mind experiments to help me understand it. So I thought I would
pose my first mind experiment to see if anyone has some insights that might
help me.
This is my limited understanding of this part of the theory that
You can replicate anything you please without permission if you're not
selling whatever it is. If the patent details how to build a LeClair system
and it's clear from the patent how to do it and it only costs $250 then it
is inconceivable that someone wouldn't try to replicate it.
I call bullshit
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
Why does the MFMP produce such execrable writing? That article reads that
it was translated from Urdu into English.
Not everyone with MFMP are native English speakers.
Eric
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
Another thing ... if low energy gamma is being blocked by the reactor wall
after some prolonged period of operation wouldn't the inside of the wall
show an elevated level of radiation?
I'm not a nuclear scientist, but I'll try
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
So, in reality, the LeClair effect can't be duplicated either because
LeClair won't permit it or because it doesn't actually exist.
One should resist putting LeClair's claims in the same basket as those of
McKubre, Miles,
I'm not really qualified to evaluate phrases such as powerful crested
cnoid de Broglie Matter wave soliton wave packages that were doubly
periodic and followed the Jacobi Elliptic functions exactly, mostly in the
form of large doubly-periodic vortices but I can't find any references to
cnoid
To slow down the gyroscope you would need to apply a retarding force. Any
energy loss would show up as an increase of energy of the system that applies
the retarding force.
In order to get your gyroscope into a higher position than it begins requires
you to apply a force against the
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