Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

Hi Eric, I think your right. The yttrium signal was Tom Droege's Pd/D cell. This was Pd/D just so there is no confusion with the Ni/H experiments. I wish I could recall what Tom's theory was. He was pretty excited about it though. To be honest with everyone, I think it was a mis-identi

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

Dave, appreciate Your approach, hope crowd-intelligence gets some traction and Chuck keeps on commenting. I think Your hands-on first-order approach is the way to go, until a promising effect shows. From a metrological point-of-view the situation is quite nifty, because there are several curr

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

I wrote: I think you're right to focus on the weird transmutations. Yttrium is one > of them. It is not like the others. I think you're talking about a Pd/D > system. You probably have in mind a specific reference -- can you share it? > I see now you were probably referring to Chuck Sites's e

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Jones Beene wrote: For instance - Y is element 39 and it consists of ~100% of the one stable > isotope - which is 88.9 amu, having 29 protons and 40 neutrons with no > other > isotope. > I think you're right to focus on the weird transmutations. Yttrium is one o

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 4:52 PM, David Roberson wrote: > Terry, this is not a scientific quality measurement, but a quick dirty > amateur test so settle down. [image: ;-)] > > It's okay. I have done my share of experiments of this type. I even saved a couple of liters of "power water" which f

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

- From: David L Babcock To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Sep 28, 2012 12:06 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites Comment below On 9/28/2012 2:39 AM, David Roberson wrote: Hi Chuck, [snip

RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint This is not bad news... this establishes a baseline if your calcs agree with a conventional explanation For anyone pursuing this, even in the simplest "hobby" kind of way, it should pay-off to employ some of Celani's techniqu

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

Comment below On 9/28/2012 2:39 AM, David Roberson wrote: Hi Chuck, [snip] My supply is current limited and will not increase beyond what it is set for. I would see my supply voltage drop toward zero if the system resistance were to head in that direction. I am positive that I am reading t

RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

Excuse the typos - Y has 39 protons of course - but the major point is this: can any theory predict yttrium and account for the lack of extra neutrons - if P+D is the operative reaction? _ From: Jones Beene

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

Today, I am going to begin with Chucks experiment. I plan to use a piece of copper attached to the negative supply terminal and a nickel to the positive one. My sodium carbonate electrolyte is to be replaced by the borax. I felt like it would be easy to set aside the nickel loading for a coup

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

Don't we wish! Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Sep 28, 2012 10:16 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites I think the government is aware that copious amounts of free energy is possible by co

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Sep 28, 2012 10:01 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:07 PM, David Roberson wrote: > Unfortunately I have not seem any measurable rise above the electrolyte > temperature yet. My experime

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

Chuck Can you dig up any of that old theory you mentioned? Anytime a theory makes predictions which turn out to be true, it should be given a close look - no matter how preposterous. In this case, yttrium would be highly unexpected, and it could add a lot of credibility to examine any theory whi

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

I think the government is aware that copious amounts of free energy is possible by coinage electrolysis. Section 331 of Title 18 of the United States code provides criminal penalties for anyone who fraudulently alters, defaces, mutilates impairs, diminishes, falsifies, scales, or lightens any of t

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:07 PM, David Roberson wrote: > Unfortunately I have not seem any measurable rise above the electrolyte > temperature yet. My experiment has been running for about 36 hours so far. You are, of course, running a control using steel plugs instead of nickels, right?

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

Jed, You probably remember Tom Droege the Electrical Engineer from Fermi lab. He had a live P&F replication running for few months and would post his latest measurements in Usenet's sci.physics.fusion group. I think he did eventually publish a conference paper on coloremetry, but his eventua

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

-Original Message- From: Chuck Sites To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Sep 28, 2012 1:43 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites Hi Dave, I never had one fail. The ratio is 3g Borax to 100ml of distilled H20 (no water softener or anything like that

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Chuck Sites wrote: I hope your measuring the voltage and amperage going into the cell(s). > When I saw the heat, the current would shoot through the roof, just like > somehow the resistance drops toward zero. > Maybe we can call it the Lomax effect? http://ww

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

y I have not seem any measurable rise above the electrolyte > temperature yet. My experiment has been running for about 36 hours so far. > > Dave > > > -Original Message- > From: Alan J Fletcher > To: vortex-l > Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:18 pm > Subject: Re

RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:08 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites Unfortunately I have not seem any measurable rise above the electrolyte temperature yet. My experiment

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

Unfortunately I have not seem any measurable rise above the electrolyte temperature yet. My experiment has been running for about 36 hours so far. Dave -Original Message- From: Alan J Fletcher To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:18 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

At 02:18 PM 9/27/2012, David Roberson wrote: I also placed my connections above the bath.  With Borax, they had to be fairly close together to get 1 amp.  I estimate from memory about 1/2 inch maximum.  Thanks --- have you observed HOT NICKELS yet?

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

Dave -Original Message- From: Alan J Fletcher To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Sep 27, 2012 2:17 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites Replicators : I plan to hold my 2 nickels vertically, and only partly immersed in the Borax (so that

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

At 11:17 AM 9/27/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: I saw elsewhere that all Australian "silver" coins are also nickel-copper :(maybe swedish, too) : A big coin would be easier to connect than a nickel. US 10c : 21 mm diameter AUS 20c : 28mm SW 1KR : 25mm I think I'll stop by a coin dealer and see

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

Replicators : I plan to hold my 2 nickels vertically, and only partly immersed in the Borax (so that all connections are above the fluid). How far apart should they be? I saw elsewhere that all Australian "silver" coins are also nickel-copper :(maybe swedish, too) : A big coin would be easi

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

We should consider all possible alternate explanations. In keeping with long-standing tradition, then, we should specifically recognize alternative (c), commonly expressed as "Goddidit." "Space aliens" is in this class of explanation. I'm pretending to understand Guenter's comment, but Ididnt.

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

Abd Ul, Von: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax Maybe it's space aliens. I'm kinda liking that explanation. I can move it around and explain anything with it. Are they *friendly* space aliens? I'd like to think so. Now You're getting funny. Kinda sorta Heinz von Foerster

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

At 05:06 PM 9/26/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <a...@lomaxdesign.com> wrote: See, almost immediately, after the announcement, a huge number of groups started to attempt replication. People often say this, but I do not see much evidence for it. As

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > See, almost immediately, after the announcement, a huge number of groups > started to attempt replication. People often say this, but I do not see much evidence for it. As far as I know, during the first year roughly 150 to 200 groups attempted to replicate. After

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

At 09:48 PM 9/25/2012, Eric Walker wrote: On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <a...@lomaxdesign.com> wrote: None of what has been written recently in this thread addresses calorimetry or any evidence of nuclear reactions, I want to make that clear

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

of P&F was defective, then he can > be forgiven. I would expect an apology to be issued by a dedicated > scientist if he realizes that his work has harmed the world. > > Dave > > > > -Original Message----- > From: James Bowery > To: vortex-l > Sent: Wed,

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

James Bowery wrote: How could Lewis's critique be taken seriously when he didn't even have the > calorimeter design actually used by P&F? > Here is a paper I wrote about Lewis this August. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJhownaturer.pdf - Jed

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

s Bowery To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Sep 26, 2012 11:56 am Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:29 AM, Chuck Sites wrote: I remember that hit piece in Science from Lewis very well. It was disturbing and really

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:29 AM, Chuck Sites wrote: > I remember that hit piece in Science from Lewis very well. It was > disturbing and really put the whole of Cold Fusion into doubt. Nathan > Lewis, published a really good analysis on calorimetry of electrolysis and > the physics thermal sy

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

Hi Lomax, First, I've enjoyed reading your posts as a lurker; I remember that hit piece in Science from Lewis very well. It was disturbing and really put the whole of Cold Fusion into doubt. Nathan Lewis, published a really good analysis on calorimetry of electrolysis and the physics thermal

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: None of what has been written recently in this thread addresses calorimetry > or any evidence of nuclear reactions, I want to make that clear. That > something gets hot sometimes and sometimes not isn't even close to such > evidence. >

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

At 10:15 PM 9/24/2012, Eric Walker wrote: If a reproducible lo-fi protocol could be worked out, someone could write to Nathan Lewis and say, "we took a look at your objections in 1989 to the calorimetry and think we might have found a way around some of the difficulties ..." None of what

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

a good understanding of how you isolate the effect out of noise and side-effects. Quite basic, right? Guenter Von: Eric Walker An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 7:08 Dienstag, 25.September 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

To clearify my observations further: 1) room temperature experiments seem to require an additional trick to get sufficient Hydrogen absorbtion: the use of an additional (transparant) layer 2) Rossi might not need to have the additional layer since he is operating his nickel at a condition where H

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

Some additional finding on silicate layers: Miles found that the formation of silicate latyer in the PF experiments was occuring and possibly essencial to get the effect. Details: The silicates on palladium cathodes is mentioned in the interview with Miles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7ZM2z_fV

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

@Chuck: Thanks for confirming the bending of the coin. @all: I am interested, not to replicated this experiment in the first place, but because I observe 2 things: 1) Bending a constantaan coin will cause cracks in the metal lattice. 2) Using borax, there is a fair chance that this will create a t

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:58 PM, David Roberson wrote: I have been seeking a constant current through the nickel versus a constant > power into the system since the resistance of the electrolyte is dominate. > High resistivity is not necessarily an issue, per se. In the Pd/D electrolysis experi

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Roarty, Francis X wrote: How about a Hoffman tube to capture the hydrogen and a wall mart aerator for a fish tank to circulate it back up thru the electrolyte – the excess would escape but pure

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites > From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" > I don't want to frighten people away from trying things. Playing with > electrochemistry can be a way to learn about it, and to start to get > a sense for what has happened in

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Roarty, Francis X < francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: How about a Hoffman tube to capture the hydrogen and a wall mart aerator > for a fish tank to circulate it back up thru the electrolyte – the excess > would escape but pure hydrogen could be obtained from a sma

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

> From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" > I don't want to frighten people away from trying things. Playing with > electrochemistry can be a way to learn about it, and to start to get > a sense for what has happened in the field. I plan to run mine outside (either in the open, or under my carport, or in a

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 6:00 PM, David Roberson mailto:dlrober...@aol.com>> wrote: At the moment my hydrogen loading system is taking 1 amp at about 20 volts. The voltage reading varies greatly depending up

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

I don't want to frighten people away from trying things. Playing with electrochemistry can be a way to learn about it, and to start to get a sense for what has happened in the field. Chuck's experiences with things getting gunked up, for example. CF anodes (the electrode connected to the posit

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites I just won a 0-30V 5A power supply on eBay. Now I need to save up for a coup'la nickels. (I really AM going to scoop up some free Borax!)

RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

At 04:47 PM 9/24/2012, Arnaud Kodeck wrote: You have made an interresting experiment worth to try to repeat. Teslaalset and Dave are on it seems. Chuch, did you try with another salt than Borax and succeed on excess heat as you had with Borax ? Is Borax a key element ? The experimental work

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

I just won a 0-30V 5A power supply on eBay. Now I need to save up for a coup'la nickels. (I really AM going to scoop up some free Borax!)

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

Hi Arnaud, Yes, I did try two other electrolytes; Boric Acid (H3BO3) was one, and Potassium Hydroxide (KOH). Mills was a proponent of the KOH and nickel and his shrunken hydrogen theory (the hydrino concept) was interesting. He put some work into, but I could never get it to work. The metal

RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

Hello Chuck, You have made an interresting experiment worth to try to repeat. Teslaalset and Dave are on it seems. Chuch, did you try with another salt than Borax and succeed on excess heat as you had with Borax ? Is Borax a key element ? Best regards, Arnaud Kodeck

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : (Chuck) Sites Effect

At 02:05 PM 9/24/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: I think these are Chuck's first posts on usenet : 5/4/89 That would be 5/14/89

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : (Chuck) Sites Effect

I think these are Chuck's first posts on usenet : 5/4/89 https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups=#!topic/alt.fusion/BwPLHQ2lO TE ... Using these ideas, here is a basement physics experiment, I've tried (It's only sugjested as possible way to see cold fusion if B2H-- is doing as I desc

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

adio components and >> bought it at auction when the company where I once worked decided to >> eliminate excess old equipment. It has short circuit current setting >> ability as well as open circuit voltage adjustment so I have excellent >> control over the current being drawn

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

excellent > control over the current being drawn by my experiment. You could have used > something such as this when you were destroying materials and transformers. > > Dave > > > -Original Message----- > From: Chuck Sites 'cbsit...@gmail.com');>>

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

huck Sites To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Sep 24, 2012 4:37 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites Yeah, and remember I was trying to achieve Boron-Hydrogen fusion. At the beginning of the P&F announcement, Pons' and Flieshman suggested that

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

Yeah, and remember I was trying to achieve Boron-Hydrogen fusion. At the beginning of the P&F announcement, Pons' and Flieshman suggested that the electrolysis over potential could induce pressures at the surface of the metal that are literally astronomical. I don't recall exactly, but it was h

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

At 08:29 PM 9/23/2012, Eric Walker wrote: On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 6:00 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: At the moment my hydrogen loading system is taking 1 amp at about 20 volts. Â The voltage reading varies greatly depending upon the spacing between

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

ty of hydrogen bubbling off the nickel and oxygen leaving the pencil lead. There is a temptation to light a match Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Sep 23, 2012 9:30 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 6:00 PM, David Roberson wrote: At the moment my hydrogen loading system is taking 1 amp at about 20 volts. > The voltage reading varies greatly depending upon the spacing between the > electrodes as expected with a resistive electrolyte. > I'm enjoying the crazy tabletop

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Sep 23, 2012 12:10 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 12:36 AM, David Roberson wrote: I read that carbon rods could be obtained at craft stores so I might ta

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

Nickel Coin LENR Experiment http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/09/nickel-coin-lenr-experiment/ Mostly a quote and summary of vortex.

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

> From: "John Page" > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 11:41:11 AM > I would think that cutting and bending might create numerous NAE > sites. This step may be very important. I always point out that the initial replicators should heed the alchemists, and follow the instructions exactly, regard

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

23 Sep 2012 07:36:13 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites I read that carbon rods could be obtained at craft stores so I might take a trip to find one if my stainless is a problem. Did someone mention that iron might be a catalyst in Rossi

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 12:36 AM, David Roberson wrote: I read that carbon rods could be obtained at craft stores so I might take a > trip to find one if my stainless is a problem. Did someone mention that > iron might be a catalyst in Rossi's device? I guess I might get some for > this experim

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

s and electroplating. Any LENR activity would be welcome but not expected with my crude setup. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Sep 23, 2012 2:08 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites On Sat, Sep 22, 20

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 10:19 PM, David Roberson wrote: I would be concerned about the cost of platinum. Stainless steel might > work since it is un reactive. The problem of cost is an important one, since we're talking about a tabletop experiment. The danger of falling back upon "unreactive"

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

to set the short circuit current while the voltage adjusts to compensate for spacing and resistance variation. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:26 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

Based on comments in this thread you should be prepared to run for considerably more than 8 hours. Give yourself at least a day and then you should be prepared to run for a while if you want to make sure you're observing anything interesting, so call it 48 hours. Again based on comments in the thr

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote: > Ummm Burning or molten magnesium metal reacts violently with water. > Ha! That's right. There's also reason to think platinum would be a suitable control in an H2 gas or light water experiment. Eric

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

> From: "Eric Walker" > I propose either silicon or magnesium as suitable controls. Ummm Burning or molten magnesium metal reacts violently with water.

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

I've got to set me up a Sites Effect experiment. But it has to be portable (ie outside). What's the total power to bring it to "hot" status (8 hrs?) I see two options for power : 6V "Lantern Battery" A 12V Car Starter kit Normal mode seems to have a current limiter, "boost" mode bypasses it.

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote: I think that all obvious controls should be tested : nickel, copper ... > Chuck reported some. > But graphite is probably a good base. > Sure -- any possible and interesting control should be attempted, and graphite is definitely one. In ad

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

From: "Eric Walker" > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 11:58:00 AM > If you want an extra reference you could use a second identical beaker > and use only graphite rods in the same solution. > > > Graphite rods are not necessarily a suitable control. It is possible > that graphite will be cons

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Teslaalset wrote: If you want an extra reference you could use a second identical beaker and > use only graphite rods in the same solution. > Graphite rods are not necessarily a suitable control. It is possible that graphite will be consumed in a different but r

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

I would say just measure the temperature of an open beaker containing the boron solution. What you're probably looking after is sudden heat increase due to a kind of LENR effect. If such an effect is occurring you should see different slope of the Temp/time graph you should compose. Such sudden eff

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

What's the quickest way to do some basic calorimetry ... ? a) Stir the boron and measure the temperature inside and outside the container. b) Compare the measured VA and the delta-T of the solution. c) Use an oscilloscope to check that there are no spikes/abnormal waveforms in the input power.

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

I have a pre-tirement house near a Borax source : . It was the major US source before those dang mule trains took over. It would be a real doozie if I could just scrape up some salts, hook up the nickels and demonstrate CF// an anomalous heat effect

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:38 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites From:Eric Walker Ohmic heating is fully conservative, and if you put in10 watts of electric power and get

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Jones Beene wrote: Nick Reiter will strive to publish a white paper on Sat eve or maybe later > – of his extraordinary early findings with cobalt ions in Zeolite. This > could blow Celani out of the water in terms of robustness, and Fran Roarty > may have a Casim

RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

From: Eric Walker Ohmic heating is fully conservative, and if you put in 10 watts of electric power and get back 12 watts of heat, then either it is measurement error… or … not exactly Joule heating. Just to clarify -- I enjoyed the report. I also took particular pleasure in hearing a

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

The dissolving in salt water is a matter of course, actually. I used to work on fixed sonar equipment. It's astounding - the first time - what happens to dissimilar metals in salt water when there is a small current flow for one reason or another. But quickly you just learn from your elders: tell

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Jones Beene wrote: Ohmic heating is fully conservative, and if you put in 10 watts of electric > power and get back 12 watts of heat, then either it is measurement error… > or > … not exactly Joule heating. > Just to clarify -- I enjoyed the report. I also took

RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

From: Eric Walker This was the point of trying a crude replication. It requires nothing exotic to do this, and it appears that yes- there is unusual heating with the US 5-cent coins as both anode and cathode, with borax electrolyte, under AC power

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

At 06:14 PM 9/21/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote: I got email on the from a lurker about this too. Agree. In an electrolytic cell, the cathode is the one connected to the negative terminal of the power supply, and this is the business end for H2. Yes, the cathode is supplied with negative voltage.

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

This is all a joke, right?

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Jones Beene wrote: This was the point of trying a crude > replication. It requires nothing exotic to do this, and it appears that > yes- > there is unusual heating with the US 5-cent coins as both anode and > cathode, > with borax electrolyte, under AC power (~10

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

Heh. I guess that's the only possible interpretation. Dave talked about positive and negative terminals so I assumed he was using a DC supply. In which case the conventional definition makes sense. My first sentence was supposed to say: "I got email on the *side *from a lurker ..." Jeff On Fri,

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: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:24 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites It will be interesting to see what you all get. I guess if your using two nickels, its not going to matter which is plus and which is minus. Your correct David

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At 04:14 PM 9/21/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote: I got email on the from a lurker about this too. Agree. In an electrolytic cell, the cathode is the one connected to the negative terminal of the power supply, and this is the business end for H2. And with AC the ends will alternate?

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supply > terminal. If you are confident that this is wrong please explain your > understanding as I would be interested. > > Dave > > > -Original Message- > From: Jones Beene > To: vortex-l > Sent: Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:44 pm > Subject: RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for

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tached to this negative supply > terminal. If you are confident that this is wrong please explain your > understanding as I would be interested. > > Dave > > > -Original Message- > From: Jones Beene > To: vortex-l > Sent: Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:44 pm > Subj

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attached to this negative supply terminal. If you are confident that this is wrong please explain your understanding as I would be interested. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:44 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction

RE: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

From: Chuck Sites Just to make clear, the nickel was always on the + side of the power supply, and is described in Wikipedia as the cathode. Hmm . I'm usually the mildly dyslexic one, but someone is confused: the + or positively charged electrode is the "anode" in an electrolytic

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Message- From: Teslaalset To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:40 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites I wonder whether anode and cathode are mixed up here. The cathode in such setup generates Hydrogen. Using a coin as cathode enables

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Hi. I guess I'm no longer a lurker. Fascinating. I can't wait to see the video.Just so know how machined the coins into electrodes; I just used a hacksaw and made two cuts into the coin to make a tab, and then bent it up with needle nose pliers. The tab was about 1/8" thick and stood abou

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I'm trying to record a YT video today. This is much harder than doing the actual experiment. No pains or precautions were used. Alligator clips for leads. This begs to be repeated with greater care. Old coins were cleaned with ultrasound, and the nickels were flash nickel-plated, to get closer

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

Jones, did you take pains to keep the wires and connections out of the electrolyte? How did you attach the wires to the coins? Did you do anything special to prepare the surface of the coins, or just use dirty old circulating nickels? ;-) Thanks! Jeff On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Jones Been

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