Re: [Vo]:new data global warming is not a problem

n his earlier work - rather comprehensively debunked here http://bbickmore.wordpress.com/2011/07/26/just-put-the-model-down-roy/ Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer http://nickpalmer.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:A New Reason to Go Green

icalscience.com where you will find a whole lot of (full of real maths) answers to just about every denialist peice of propaganda out there Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according

Re: [Vo]:A New Reason to Go Green

ur views are and start by applying maths in a rational fashion. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer http://nickpalmer.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:A New Reason to Go Green

t and I don't know any other environmentalists who support felling it! - if we had 500 -1500 years to stabilise the atmosphere, it would be an extremely good strategy, assuming that we could find space for it and still grow enough food... but we don't have that time. Nick Palmer O

Re: [Vo]:Corrections to "heat after death" calculations

u are a midget and a very rude incorrigible one too. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer http://nickpalmer.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Corrections to "heat after death" calculations

es in the "cold fusion" field. Obviously, Catania does not realise this but, like so many in the past, shoots from the hip to fill up the forum with dubious logic, false assertions and acres of attacking prose. These types go away in the end. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet -

Re: [Vo]:Rossi feeding skeptics with much more skepticism.

Mouthy Mary - filtered to junk email folder Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer http://nickpalmer.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion Economic Effects

here are real and obvious reasons why true environmentalists would be concerned if everyone got access to vast amounts of energy because of what they might do with it. Simplistic views that energy=good, more energy=better, most energy=best are a bit one dimensional in outlook. Nick Palmer

Re: [Vo]:Latest Rossi news at PESN

b with their bare hands - if they could find a martyr who didn't mind dying for the cause (seemingly not a problem). Also, of course, non fissionable grade material can be converted into dirty bombs. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it

Re: [Vo]:Rossi impact betting pool?

I'm far more optimistic. My guess (if we're talking about a sale of the proposed 1 MW unit). First mention in major mass media other than Washington Times (already happened). [1 day] Major coverage in mass media; i.e. front page news, everyone else copies. [2-3 days] Nick

Re: [Vo]:RE: Rothwell goes into brain freeze

Re: the Jones/Jed spat Part of it might be explained by the confusion between "factor of 2 or 3" and "factor of 1000". If one was meaning orders of magnitude and the other wasn't, the flame war might become more resolvable. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet -

Re: [Vo]:Weak Winds for Brits

rry picking and misrepresentation he indulges in here is quite spectacular. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer http://nickpalmer.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Weak Winds for Brits

llfact.org/factchecks/wind_turbines_performance_capacity_muir_trust_express_daily_mail-2646 Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer http://nickpalmer.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Weak Winds for Brits

of the firm I think built this turbine for the other side of the story. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer http://nickpalmer.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Weak Winds for Brits

Jed wrote: "I do not know of any environmentalist support for cold fusion except our poor lonely friend Nick Palmer here, but I doubt that environmentalists will be strongly opposed to it." I don't know of any direct environmental movement support or belief - the general feel

Re: [Vo]:Weak Winds for Brits

tricity at exactly the moment when demand peaks during the summer, because air conditioning kicks in when the sun is hottest." America is not the whole world! In Britain, we don't really use air-con much. I guess our peak electricity is in the winter when we have electric fires on. Nic

Re: [Vo]:OT:Economic crisis and post-capitalism

he global economy cannot continue without continuing to deteriorate the natrual systems that sustain us. If we don't grow the economy, there will be a gigantic financial crash to make the 1930s look like a wonderful time. There are no easy answers to what we need to do. Nick Palmer On the si

Re: [Vo]:Rossi: our reactors now produce a totally dry steam

further criticism of/investigation on this point. Big smelly red flags! The bit about universal credibility coming from working units sold commercially raises another red flag to those of us who have seen many such promises before. It could not be red flaggier unless he mentioned "shipping

Re: [Vo]:clever electric bike design

ks as if it can bank over, whilst still keeping the stability of three wheels. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it BlogSpot Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer

Re: [Vo]:Fleischmann

just the Dardik's controlling access to someone they are trying to use to give their operation credibility. They have lost any credibility they may have had with me, if this is the way they operate. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer http://nickpalmer.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Fleischmann

orted, and you omitted the negative parts of it from your own report." Again you are wrong - it wasn't hearsay neither did I omit anything significant. The only part I cannot swear by is Martin's comment that it was "other people" (rather than him) who were behind the

Re: [Vo]:Fleischmann

I seem to recall that "essential tremor" is eased by alcoholic beverages whereas Parkinson's is not. Anyway, it's a good excuse to buy some wine... Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff

[Vo]:Re: including ALL the physics...

This lot realised (eventually) that experimental results trump theory - or a least that results can suggest that there is a problem with a theory, or its application and assumptions. If they know how to investigate and what to do about anomalies, why doesn't Big Nuclear Science? Nick Palmer

Re: [Vo]:Nickel has unique physical properties

ot; out of ceramic piezolectric/triboelectric material, plating it with P or Ni, loading it up with D or H and then zapping the piezoelectric material with high frequency/high amplitude electric voltage. See what happens. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they&#

[Vo]:zinc air "bettery"

The "bettery" approaches? This article (particularly page 2) discusses a sort of flow cell technique although they don't mention it by name, comparing it instead to a fuel cell. http://www.technologyreview.com/business/23812/ Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the p

Re: [Vo]:Reactionless drive claim: Emdrive

Harry asked: <> Amazingly, yes. I love the low-tech garage-tech smoke generation system http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9NViY0Dnkc&NR=1 Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to N

Re: [Vo]:Total and MIT announce solar battery project

I read Horace's link to Total's research venture into solar battery storage and what did I see at the bottom of the page? This link may be old news but it was news to me http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2247854/blacklight-gains-academic Nick Palmer On the side of

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Nick Palmer uploads video on Climategate

Rick Monteverde wrote: Nick Palmer has zero credibility on this particular issue as he has openly advocated on this forum that it should be ILLEGAL to voice opposition to the theories of global warming! Suck on that, you intellectually inferior First Amendment huggers. To actually achieve that

Re: [Vo]:steorn january experiments announcement

Terry wrote: <> Frain motor too? Nick Palmer

Re: [Vo]:A positive comment about cold fusion in the New York Times

might put the resources of Google into research. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer http://nickpalmer.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Sea Power News

the Rance has a dam that fills up then is emptied out when required for power. Building dams is expensive. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer http://nickpalmer.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Fusion confusion

tance of the phenomena as real... Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer http://nickpalmer.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]: scepticism was Request for "fusion" definition

ABD wrote <> Here is a funny exposition of pathological scepticism well worth five minutes of anyone's time http://drboli.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/the-duck/ Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and st

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Wired: America's Wind Energy Potential Triples in New Estimate

nd that all the technologies necessary for such a transformation are already in place. This is achieved without nuclear or carbon capture. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer http://nickpalmer.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Jed and others 2012 predictions please

ld be beneficial as it would enable the Green movement to concentrate more on habitat and biodiversity protection and all the other stuff apart from climate change and peak oil. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sus

Re: [Vo]:Jed and others 2012 predictions please

wattsupwiththat.com - the biggest anti-science disinformation and propaganda site on the internet - as some sort of authority! Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer http://nickpalmer.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Krivit's new claim, transcript of ACS Krivit Pop Quiz

ABD wrote: <provided a correction. An EPRI representative says that "no correction exists." These two statements are not in contradiction.>> Eh? Have we fallen through the looking glass again? Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they&#x

Re: [Vo]:glabal warming conference

(expensive) lattice/matrix that supports it, I don't think we can expect energy "too cheap to meter" too soon. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer http://nickpalmer.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Towel folding robot

I seem to recall it said that each fold took about 23 minutes... Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer http://nickpalmer.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Doh ! (slaps forehead) !

eep buying flimsy stuff widgets designed to fall apart. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer http://nickpalmer.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Jobs Obama trying to create and pictures from PA that say it all

minally more expensive than the foreign/out of state competition) nevertheless end up being better for keeping the local economy going and keeping wealth and where it is generated - which protects jobs. Globalisation was a really stupid ideologically driven move. Nick Palmer On the side

Re: [Vo]:Downwind Faster than the Wind (DWFTTW)

accelerate from a position of zero relative wind then one could start it off in no wind conditions and it would accelerate - perpetual motion just isn't that easy! Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff

Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My critique of an experiment posed by Dennis Cravens

The LED will not be convincing. How about just training an IR camera on it and putting the image on the web? A slow stream of air passing the cell would warm up and clearly show on the image. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blo

Re: [Vo]:Bloom Box Enters Production Phase

up to use the "waste" heat to provide hot water at an overall efficiency of 85%. Can use natural gas or the similar product from anaerobic digesters. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and

Re: [Vo]:NanoSpire

I think the bit about his brother being a secret service agent and saving a bus load of kids raised the biggest red flag to me. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer

Re: [Vo]:NanoSpire

river - he did not "sacrifice" himself. I still think that this Mark guy using this story in the way he did still raises red flags. It all reeks of fantasy/hallucination/Walter Mitty. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Progress in One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) project

<>... ... and you'll feed him for a while until he invents and uses industralised factory ships to Hoover up all the fish and drive them to the brink of extinction. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustaina

Re: [Vo]:Focardi to hold press conference, demonstrate 16 kW heater at Bologna U.

Chris Tinsley once described me as one of the "Cold Fusion Advocates". Yet again, wearily, I open up one eye and prepare to look over the parapet tomorrow. Here's hoping for minimum disappointment Nick Palmer blogspot: Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer For t

Re: [Vo]:Focardi to hold press conference, demonstrate 16 kW heater at Bologna U.

ive credibilty to CF. cheers, Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer http://nickpalmer.blogspot.com

[Vo]:Focardi Rossi Piantelli

Are there any "big" media interested yet? Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer http://nickpalmer.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Input power must be far lower than ~10 kW

nal mixed in with the environmental noise but are insignificant if you are looking to verify a kickass kilowatt. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer http://nickpalmer.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Monday Update to Release Information on Self Sustain Mode

you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space." Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer http://nickpalmer.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Replicating Rossi at home

urn" experiment that Chris Tinsley replicated? Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it Blogspot - Sustainability and stuff according to Nick Palmer http://nickpalmer.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Replicating Rossi at home

ip that it was only one substance. Subsequent information from the Cicinatti group about other matters gave me the very strong hunch that their sauce was zirconium related. I saw a tile that Chris had burned a 1cm hole through. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because the

Re: [Vo]:Replicating Rossi at home

<> I don't think they made them. The tile I saw in Chris Tinsley's living room literally WAS a kitchen tile (I'm 90% sure) with a melted hole in it. Chris remarked something like "you ought to see it when the reaction lights up". Nick Palmer On the side

Re: [Vo]:The PickensPlan website

upplied by the equivalent of Walmart instead of the equivalent of DeWalt... . Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it

Re: [Vo]:The PickensPlan website

" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_VmMIbWKoo Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it

Re: [Vo]:Homegrown wind generators

f higher ground that birds are likely to use when migrating. Painting the blades in an asymmetric pattern (to induce flicker - but watch out for epileptics too) also helps. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it

Re: [Vo]:Are they all correct?

<> Michel, are you absolutely sure that you are a Frenchman? Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it

Re: [Vo]:Scientists Agree Human-Induced Global Warming Is Real

ars to use the same misleading "paper" written by the Robinsons and Soon which has been comprehensively demolished as misleading and deceptive not to mention highly based on old discredited or superseded papers. Nick Palmer

[Vo]:Re: Unstoppable Global Warming...

it was otherwise a chilly night. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it

Re: [Vo]:Climate Change

their spiel, which has been compared to that of snake oil salesmen. Having heard one of these shows for the first time I have to say that they appear to be a great evil - spreading lies and distortion and misrepresentation and manipulating gullible people all in the name of free speech - liberty? - more like licence! Nick Palmer

Re: [Vo]:Climate Change

would be one such mechanism. Nick Palmer

Re: [Vo]:Climate Change

confuse weather and climate in the public's mind. Predicting weather is like predicting how many times red or black comes up in the next few spins on a roulette wheel. You won't get rich. Predicting climate change is like knowing that, over time, the red and black "incidents" will statistically work out at around 50-50 - the casino gets rich. Nick Palmer

[Vo]:more power - arrh, arrh!

Gnorts, This Australian company has just announced 60% electrical efficiency for their solid oxide microgeneration combined heat and power unit - 85% total efficiency! http://www.cfcl.com.au/ Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it

Re: [Vo]:Organic farming under threat...

elworm and so nematicides are routinely applied to the non-organic crop. A well established organic field has fungi which literally have "lassos" which catch the nematodes. The crop still gets eelworm attack but it is much less of a problem than it is to those who farm with "dead&qu

Re: [Vo]:Red Hot Lies

anyone who will listen that they're the only one who is sane and everyone outside in the world is mad? Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it

Fw: [Vo]:Red Hot Lies

Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it - Original Message - From: "thomas malloy" To: "Nick Palmer" Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Red Hot Lies Nick Palmer wrote: The author of this b

[Vo]:Tesla coil music

If you're going to waste energy, you might as well have fun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJqoRaphiEk Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it

[Vo]:test

Just testing to see if Eskimo.com is letting my messages through yet. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it

Re: [Vo]:The Science of Greenhouse Effect...Time for some balance?

Ferenc Miskolczi - balance? - oh please! Before you now it he will be "proving" his theories using the size, relationships and angles of the great pyramids. http://www.realclimate.org/wiki/index.php?title=Ferenc_Miskolczi Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people

Fw: [Vo]:The Science of Greenhouse Effect...Time for some balance?

Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it - Original Message - From: "Nick Palmer" To: "Mark Iverson" Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Science of Greenhouse Effect...Time for some balance?

[Vo]:OT: carbon capture

Jeff Fink wrote (3rd June): <> Here's a "Climate Crock of the Week" video showing how dangerous and misleading this "CO2 as plant food" propaganda from the denialists is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFGU6qvkmTI&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fnickpalmer.blogspot.c

Re: [Vo]:Traffic flow

I looked at the animation for this idea and, frankly, Bill's animation is head and shoulders better. The core reason behind "phantom" jams is absolutely obvious with Bill's whereas this one is pretty confusing unless you understand the idea in advance of watching it. Nick

Re: [Vo]:New drill to make geothermal easier

of it." If geothermal proved to be a problem, I think it would be easily soluble. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it

Re: [Vo]:OT video

n powers the eyes of the choir... Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it

Re: [Vo]:vortex balls!

Horace rather plaintively wrote:

Fw: [Vo]:vortex balls!

- Original Message - From: John Berry To: Nick Palmer Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:vortex balls! Unfortunately,"Full many a rose is born to blush unseen, And waste its fragrance on the desert air " On the subject of such, well I did j

Re: [Vo]:Hydrino represents Lorentz contraction in the opposite direction from event horizon

between Casimir plates. Fire short half life particles/atoms though the gap between the plates and see if there is an effect on their lifespan. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it

Re: [Vo]:Perspective on Heat Vs. Everything Else

ck up a NIB magnet and shake it by their cold fusion cell to be instantly rewarded by a blinding wave of light and heat... Nick Palmer

Re: [Vo]:Gulf Stream energy

f the current very rapid (instead of taking the hundreds of years it was expected to take). While still not an immediate danger, observations show that the ice sheets seem to be melting/breaking up much faster than the IPCC predictions at the time (and even those of the 2007 IPCC report)... N

[Vo]:Clockwork

Gnorts, Vorts Anyone have any idea if big clockwork "mainsprings" could be used at a domestic level to store energy - and how to calculate available storage capacity? Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it

vortex-l@eskimo.com

"lossy" middlemen stages. Nick Palmer On the side of the Planet - and the people - because they're worth it

vortex-l@eskimo.com

Lead acid[5] 0.14 0.36 Spring 0.0003 0.0006 Springs therefore don't seem to be a practical energy storage solution (mass per stored kWh is about 1000 times more than that of other types)>> Nick Palmer On the side o

Re: [Vo]:Papers uploaded but having trouble downloading

Jed - I had this problem myself very recently. Try Firefox Tools-> Options-> Applications - you might find that Firefox has set itself to "always ask" about opening pdfs. The effect is that nothing happens and the tab hangs. I am sure you will figure out what to do to fix it.

Re: Hello

Kohn Berry wrote Yes it looked like it, but the .scr attachment was only one byte, therefore not big enough for destructive code - my up to date Norton didn't flag it either

Re: Efficient clothes drier uses De-humidifier?

More years ago than I care to remember, I thought that clothes could be dried more efficiently using a vacuum pump to evaporate the water.I don't know for certain if it would use less energy - I suspect it would Nick Palmer

Re: Intelligent Design

Back in the days of the CompuServe forums, where some of us met, this evolution versus creationism argument came up. Whilst I think microevolution is obvious (legs getting longer, camouflage getting more effective etc) I am not so sure about the giant leaps. Back then the eye was brought up as a

Clusters

This tells how clusters of atoms can behave like super atoms of another element. It seemed like it might be relevant to explaining LENR-CANR to me...   http://www.physorg.com/news2672.html

Re: Clusters

I envisioned something like clusters of atoms in, say, palladium taking on the characteristics of another element and the coulomb barrier being thereby greatly modified for any deuterium atoms within the cluster...

Re: Accident Report from Mizuno

test - please ignore

Physics website

I came upon this website which seems to be capable of answering any obscure question about those areas you're not sure about...   http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/

Re: A last resort attack on global warming

Terry, look at this bit below from the article. Where was the earthquake that caused the recent tsunami centered? - off Aceh province in Indonesia which is a breakaway area of fundamentalist Islamists... I hope the seismic record confirms that it was a natural earthquake... <>

Re: Cluster Chemistry

<> transparent aluminium Scotty?

Re: SOLVING REALLY BIG PROBLEMS

OK revtec, at least I read your posts!   you wrote "The thermal condition of this planet is set by the output of the sun.  Compared to a one or two percent fluctuation in solar radiation, anything humans can do down here is totally irrelevant"   The thermal condition of the planet is set by t

Re: Cluster Chemistry

That's what happens if you get a Canadian pretending to be Scottish... Thought I'd redress the balance

Re: SOLVING REALLY BIG PROBLEMS

Jones, I think your post was spot on. If one looks at the geologic record there is evidence that there are several stable atmospheric thermal states signposted by different levels of atmospheric CO2. It is what happens to conditions for life during the changeover periods that concerns me. You p

Re: OOPS, WRONG ADDR Thanks V & Bill B & Donations?

Terry Blanton wrote << What's in it for Amazon? A fee?>> From the small print... Does it cost me anything to use the Amazon Honor System? No. There are no fees for making a payment to a participating Web site. To cover our administrative and processing costs, Web sites collecting money with the H

Silicon as an energy storage medium

This looks like a good way of "transporting" renewable energy (in this case from hot sunny countries).   Nick     http://www.dbresearch.com/PROD/DBR_INTERNET_EN-PROD/PROD00079095.pdf

Re: Speculation on ZPE

R C Macaulay wrote:- <   Richard>>   Try looking at http://www.bluenergy.com/index.html

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