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2001-12-06 Thread Claes Persson


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> In a message dated 12/6/01 3:11:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> << Nothing indicates that they are aware of what is going on, >>
> 
> Sorry to go on "soundbites" of information, but, try as I will, I can't 
> remember everything!
> 
> There are groves of trees that scientists have recently discovered are 
> actually just one tree, even though they cover many, many acres of ground. 
> There's another tree -- I want to say it's a variety of Aspen, that science 
> has proven can communicate with other's of it's species that are miles away 
> ... 
> 
> LG


That maybe so, but noting indicats that they know what they are doing.


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> << There is evidence of communication between plants by scent, color and
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> << Nothing indicates that they are aware of what is going on, >>
> 
> Sorry to go on "soundbites" of information, but, try as I will, I can't
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>
> There are groves of trees that scientists have recently discovered are
> actually just one tree, even though they cover many, many acres of ground.
> There's another tree -- I want to say it's a variety of Aspen, that
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In a message dated 12/6/01 3:11:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Nothing indicates that they are aware of what is going on, >>

Sorry to go on "soundbites" of information, but, try as I will, I can't 
remember everything!

There are groves of trees that scientists have recently discovered are 
actually just one tree, even though they cover many, many acres of ground. 
There's another tree -- I want to say it's a variety of Aspen, that science 
has proven can communicate with other's of it's species that are miles away 
... 

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> In a message dated 12/5/01 11:52:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> << But still: you have been puching DNA molecules togeather. Animals do it. 
> Trees do it but don't know why, and even the modern man and woman does it. 
> Sometimes they know why. >>
> __
> << Animals do it. Trees do it but don't know why >>
> > How do you know they don't know why?

--Nothing indicates that they are aware of what is going on, but who knows? A doctor 
Dolittle of the trees maybe eveolve in the future! One that can not only talk to the 
animals, but also to the trees.

> << Sometimes they know why. >>
> > Good One!   :)
> 
__

Thank you

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<< > Sorry -- I mis-remembered the number of toes...
 
 Are you related to President Bush? :):) janice >>

Not that I'm aware of -- besides, GW gets so far ahead of himself he gets his 
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I do it deliberately!  :)

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<< But still: you have been puching DNA molecules togeather. Animals do it. 
Trees do it but don't know why, and even the modern man and woman does it. 
Sometimes they know why. >>
__
<< Animals do it. Trees do it but don't know why >>
> How do you know they don't know why?

<< Sometimes they know why. >>
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> > 
> In a message dated 12/4/01 3:05:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> << I'm afraid that you are mixing fairy tale and facts. Are you a father? If 
> so you have, yourself, been bumping DNA molecules togeather in order to 
> make... well, time will tell. >>
> _
> Nope! I be de Mommy!
> 

--Sorry, I must have missread LG. But still: you have been puching DNA molecules 
togeather. Animals do it. Trees do it but don't know why, and even the modern man and 
woman does it. Sometimes the know why.

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> > 
> In a message dated 12/4/01 2:30:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> << Why should the have just 5 toes? However ther has been horses with 3 toes 
> once. Then you could see them running around. Evolution took care of the 
> change. >>
> _
> Sorry -- I mis-remembered the number of toes...
> 
> OK -- there are no more 3-toed horses running around because "Evolution took 
> care of the change."  S -- I repeat -- WHY do we still have monkeys 
> and apes? Or are you saying that the much-touted process of evolution doesn't 
> work where man is concerned, just with everything else on the stupid planet?
> 

--No, I'm NOT saying that evolutions don't work on the man. Homo Sapiens Sapiens (as 
the modern man is called) has during millions of years developed from the first 
spiscis of man like animals in the center Africa (the rift Valley) and has spread from 
there. In a way we are all Africans. You too.

Evolution works, as I ment with the past letter, on ALL living things with cells. 
Animals, as we are, or trees or whatever. What lived here on the planet 100.000 years 
ago was different to what is living here to day..And what's living to day is the 
staring point for the evolution to change this to whatever all living things will look 
like in 100.000. Don't want to accept this? Religious fundamentalists never can as 
they are convinced that just they are the crown of the "creation". But the evolution 
will not and can not be effected by what we want to accept. It goes on with or without 
acceptance from those living things it is working on. That goes for man, monkey, tree, 
fish or whatever living. We are, all of us, at the mercy of the DNA molecule.

It is known and proven beyond doubt to day. But some people can't accept that as they 
prefere to read and beleive the "creation" fary tales of different old texts that was 
written thousends of years ago. I rest my case!

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<< I'm afraid that you are mixing fairy tale and facts. Are you a father? If 
so you have, yourself, been bumping DNA molecules togeather in order to 
make... well, time will tell. >>
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In a message dated 12/4/01 2:30:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Why should the have just 5 toes? However ther has been horses with 3 toes 
once. Then you could see them running around. Evolution took care of the 
change. >>
_
Sorry -- I mis-remembered the number of toes...

OK -- there are no more 3-toed horses running around because "Evolution took 
care of the change."  S -- I repeat -- WHY do we still have monkeys 
and apes? Or are you saying that the much-touted process of evolution doesn't 
work where man is concerned, just with everything else on the stupid planet?

LG

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> >
> > << From the far east, over the old western world to the americas the are
> > maybe hundreds of tales that explains how the first people were created.
All
> > in their own different way. Witch is the correct one? >>
> > _
> > 
> >
> > I don't know which is the "correct" story ... but it makes infinitely
MORE
> > sense to believe one of the stories of creation than to believe the
fairy
> > tale that to molecules of DNA accidentally bumping together mutated into
> > George Clooney or Brad Pitt!
> >
> I'm afraid that you are mixing fairy tale and facts. Are you a father? If
so you have, yourself, been bumping DNA molecules togeather in order to
make... well, time will tell.
>
> Claes
> §( :8-)
>
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> << From the far east, over the old western world to the americas the are 
> maybe hundreds of tales that explains how the first people were created. All 
> in their own different way. Witch is the correct one? >>
> _
> 
> 
> I don't know which is the "correct" story ... but it makes infinitely MORE 
> sense to believe one of the stories of creation than to believe the fairy 
> tale that to molecules of DNA accidentally bumping together mutated into 
> George Clooney or Brad Pitt!
> 
I'm afraid that you are mixing fairy tale and facts. Are you a father? If so you have, 
yourself, been bumping DNA molecules togeather in order to make... well, time will 
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> << but evolution don't happen with jumps from one generation to another. >>
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> If mankind descended from Monkeys and Apes ...
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> WHY do we still have monkeys and apes?

--Why not? And the monkeys and apes of to day is maybe not quite like it's ancestors 
50.000 yers ago?
 
> You don't see any 5-toed horses running around .

Why should the have just 5 toes? However ther has been horses with 3 toes once. Then 
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<< From the far east, over the old western world to the americas the are 
maybe hundreds of tales that explains how the first people were created. All 
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_


I don't know which is the "correct" story ... but it makes infinitely MORE 
sense to believe one of the stories of creation than to believe the fairy 
tale that to molecules of DNA accidentally bumping together mutated into 
George Clooney or Brad Pitt!

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<< but evolution don't happen with jumps from one generation to another. >>

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WHY do we still have monkeys and apes?

You don't see any 5-toed horses running around .

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  Right! Mutations and evolution has eventually developed a monkey that found that 
walking on the hind legs made it have the hand free. Have some of you heard of Charles 
Darwin?

  Have you heard of that by tracing the DNA it's possible to trace how the man (and 
woman) have spread over this globe? Or do you choose to not beleive in facts and stick 
with the old tales of the Bibel or the Koran or whatever? In that way it's possible 
also to believe that the man (and woman) has been created in different ways depending 
of what religous book you beleive in.

  From the far east, over the old western world to the americas the are maybe hundreds 
of tales that explains how the first people were created. All in their own different 
way. Witch is the correct one?

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  Do you believe that life is a chemical reaction or a biological accident? janice


  Close enogh! We, and by we I mean all living things, are experiments of the DNA 
molecule. If a church with the priests should worship anything it would be most 
accurate to worship the DNA.

  And further: this experimenting is far from over. A few thousend years from now will 
the people that lives then look back at us and pitty us for beeing so retarded and 
ignorant in the old days. Like we do to those living B.C.

  It's normal. Just think about what the younger generation thinks of their parents 
and grandparents generation. They are right in one way, but evolution don't happen 
with jumps from one generation to another. They just can't wait for the future to come.

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So! A lot of the third world is going to be enrolled in growing crops that can not 
be used for getting seeds to the next season. (GMO) Next year new seeds have to be 
bought while the crop will be delivered to the seedcompanies. Instead of growing the 
food needed in their surrounding population they (and the rest of the population) have 
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the corporations more income and no one else. Sounds like economic slavery, right? If 
you buy the sceem!

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§( :8-)




  When the Pilgrims landed on the shores of America it was a third world country by 
today's standards.

  All countrys was a few hundred years ago third world countrys by today's standard.

  Africa has many natural resources. At one time the Zulu were one of the most forward 
thinking cultures in the world. What Africa needs is a leader to unite it's people and 
get them to work together for what is best for Africa. ALL of Africa. That is the 
strength of America. Many different people with many different ways of seeing things. 
But united at the core for the good of the country as a WHOLE. janice

  I agree, but then there is also a lot of fundamentalists in Africa that will never 
agree to anything else but their own religion. Sad, but true. The can never unite, I'm 
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If the knowledge of the rest of the world is spread, their references will be 
widened and as a result they can be counted on to take a different stand than to day 
and that's what the mullahs (or whatever) fears more than anything else. Therefore 
their deep interrest for isolation. I think that the grouppresure from the beleivers 
will get less and less effective as time goes by.

Claes
§( :8-)



  I tend to agree with you on the isolation in so far as keeping their homelands free 
of Western influence. What I don't understand is how fundamentalist Muslims think they 
will be able to export their views to the West. Do they really think they will be able 
to persuade a large portion of America to step back in time to when Islam was a 
culture that was more dominate than today? janice


  But convinced as they are that Allah is the only true God and that the rules of 
living from the Koran are the only way to live, they don't want to accept anything 
else, I think. There is no logic in faith. As I have written earlyer: Think of the 
Scandinavians wold go back to live as Vikings?

  By the way, USA can not go so far back in time. Except for the native americans, the 
Indians, of course.

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> So! A lot of the third world is going to be enrolled in growing crops that 
> can not be used for getting seeds to the next season. (GMO) Next year new 
> seeds have to be bought while the crop will be delivered to the 
> seedcompanies. Instead of growing the food needed in their surrounding 
> population they (and the rest of the population) have to buy what they need 
> through importing other foodstuffs. All these operations give the 
> corporations more income and no one else. Sounds like economic slavery, 
> right? If you buy the sceem!
> 
> Claes
> §( :8-)
> 
> 

When the Pilgrims landed on the shores of America it was a third world 
country by today's standards. They had access to the same natural resources 
that the Indians did. But what they did with them eventually produced the US 
of today. Now I will admit that a large portion of the world sees that as a 
bad thing. But a larger portion of that world would like to be a part of this 
country. Africa has many natural resources. At one time the Zulu were one of 
the most forward thinking cultures in the world. What Africa needs is a 
leader to unite it's people and get them to work together for what is best 
for Africa. ALL of Africa. That is the strength of America. Many different 
people with many different ways of seeing things. But united at the core for 
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> 
> If the knowledge of the rest of the world is spread, their references will 
> be widened and as a result they can be counted on to take a different stand 
> than to day and that's what the mullahs (or whatever) fears more than 
> anything else. Therefore their deep interrest for isolation. I think that 
> the grouppresure from the beleivers will get less and less effective as 
> time goes by.
> 
> Claes
> §( :8-)
> 

I tend to agree with you on the isolation in so far as keeping their 
homelands free of Western influence. What I don't understand is how 
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West. Do they really think they will be able to persuade a large portion of 
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> << When shall people learn that there are no Gods but in their own minds that 
> rule their thinking wherefor they never will learn to understand each other. 
> >>
> 
> _
> They might when everyone in the world becomes blind -- but not until then. As 
> long as people can gaze up at the heavens, look down into a microscope, or 
> contemplate the daily wonders that are available to the naked eye, Gods 
> existence will be accepted.

---Once many people accepted Thor, Odin, trolls and a lot of other enteties. They are 
never the less non existent, but unfortunatellt you are right, Gods existens is 
accepted, and that's sad for the peace.

> 
> There's nothing wrong with "god" or "religion" -- until PEOPLE start twisting 
> it around to accomplish their own petty little goals ... All of the worlds 
> major religions have the same basic beliefs ... they only differ in the minor 
> points -- a rose by any other name will smell as sweet -- but the People in 
> Control ALWAYS Mess Everything Up. 
> 
This "twisting it around" is just what's wrong with "Gods" (in India there is over 100 
Gods) and "religions". And who is to decide what is "twisted" and what variation of 
"God" is not twisted? People can be persuaded to go to war in the name of the "right" 
variation of "God". It will of course never be decided what God is the (non-twisted) 
as the fighting is about something that belongs to faith and imagination, and only 
there. But a lot of people live a good and easy life pretending to be the peoples link 
to "God" and at the same time pretend to have something to say about how people shall 
(or shall not) live.  As private persons they have that right as well as all of us, 
but not in the name of an imagined bigger and powerfull? entety called "God"! It's 
just a way to add more "power" to their words.

Do you beleive in Santa?

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2001-12-03 Thread Claes Persson


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- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: SV: SV: {W&P} Crimes Against Humanity...


> In a message dated 12/2/01 4:24:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> << I wonder what you mean by "impose"? >>
> ___
> Getting people to change their way of life to another standard because 
> someone is setting in judgement saying "ours" is better than "yours" ...
> 
> Sometimes I get the feeling that the leaders of western civilizations live in 
> terror of the native peoples in Africa and similiar areas ... because what 
> would happen to them and their lifestyles if people like us decided simpler 
> was better and left the work force.
> 

A good point. What is this thing "globalization" about? I don't think that the leaders 
in the western civizations are as worried as the tycoons in the corporations 
boardrooms. What if the majority of the people in the third world decide to go their 
own way instead of joining the race for all the stuff they are producing? A terrible 
thoght.

What if... Yes, there is a lot of things that could follow, but there is no way that 
ALL people will take that stand, unfortunatelly. For most people the struggle for a 
better life means owning a radio, a TV, a car or whatever. Not surprising. For those 
who has never had those thng they must be the answere to the ultimate success.

I, as an old (older?) man living in Scandinavia, can see why this is so interresting 
for the young. I have been young too. To day I live on a small pension in a one room 
appartement and have time to sit here and write e-mails, but if I still had been sold 
to the living of a high life with all the stuff that I need to prov it's a high life 
there would be no time for this writing.

The corporations want you to be interrested in working all day in order to make all 
the money to by their stuff and many buy this idea. Only the few can see the trap.

So! A lot of the third world is going to be enrolled in growing crops that can not be 
used for getting seeds to the next season. (GMO) Next year new seeds have to be bought 
while the crop will be delivered to the seedcompanies. Instead of growing the food 
needed in their surrounding population they (and the rest of the population) have to 
buy what they need through importing other foodstuffs. All these operations give the 
corporations more income and no one else. Sounds like economic slavery, right? If you 
buy the sceem!

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- Original Message -
From: "Claes Persson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 7:25 PM
Subject: SV: SV: {W&P} Crimes Against Humanity...


> >
> > In a message dated 12/2/01 9:57:32 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > << What about helping in this deciding. Helping them to know what the
choises
> > are?  >>
> > ___
> > By all means ...
> >
> > Just keep in mind that Western civilization has been trying to impose
> > its ideals on Africa for several hundred years ... Very little luck, so
far
> > ...
> > but there's ALWAYS Hope!  :)
> >
> > LG
> >
> > =
>
> I agree. There is always hope. It's just that I wonder what you mean by
"impose"? What was meant in the old days in Africa didn't work. I hope that
the imposing years are passed. The colonial days are gone.
>
> What I mean is showing those isolated tribes what the rest of the world
looks like in spite of all "bessewissers" in their own tribes that's doing
whatever they can to isolate their heard in order to keep them in the flock.
And, by the way, even some parts og America need some of that treatment too.
Then the shouting of "God bless" would be swallowed when the knowledge hit
them on the head. And so would happen in tha arab world. People are
responsible for their own actions. No Gods of any kind.
>
> Maybe we in Scandinavia should return to the old God of Thor and Odin and
start behave like the Vikings once again? The Vikings were active about the
same time as the muslims started their religion, so why not do as bin Laden
and go back to those times? The Viking longships on the way to plunder
Paris, London, Dublin, S:t Petersburg and Istambul once again?
>
> Or why not go further back to the Zarathustrians 1.500 B.C.? Even the
Sumerians 3.000 B.C. had their Gods. When shall people learn that there are
no Gods but in their own minds that rule their thinking wherefor they never
will learn to understand each other.
>
> I'm afraid that there will never be peace as long as religion rules and
teach that you, your self, are the best and everybody else is of a lower
standard.
>
> But kinowledge about the different parts of the world helps and that's why
the Talibans were so opposed to the modern communications. It brings
knowledge!
>
> Claes
> §( :8-)

james gale answeres:

Probably wont have any luck. I believe a culture has to have a certain level
of sophistication before democratic concepts can be understood and
implemented. Its kinda like giving a jockstrap to a headhunter it may be
used for everything from a nose guard to a slingshot untill alittle bit of
intuition gives some insight as to its use. That insight wont come untill
there is enough advancement in that culture to  provide the leisure time and
food to provide enough excess energy to support sports that might require
the use of it. Jim

Claes answers:
Is there any other way? Do you think that people that is not growing up in USA are 
more stupid? Are we all in Europe, Africa or in the rest of the world of a dumber 
breed? Of course not, but your way of answering indicates that that's your attitude, 
I'm sorry to say. Beleive this: People in other parts of the world are not dumber than 
in USA or Europe!

But their upbringing in a different cultur givs them a different set of references and 
those references are often limited to their habitat, the traditional way of life in 
their home country. Using those references often give a different way of looking at 
thing than ours. And I'm not sure it always is worst way.

If the knowledge of the rest of the world is spread, their references will be widened 
and as a result they can be counted on to take a different stand than to day and 
that's what the mullahs (or whatever) fears more than anything else. Therefore their 
deep interrest for isolation. I think that the grouppresure from the beleivers will 
get less and less effective as time goes by.

Claes
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In a message dated 12/2/01 4:24:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< When shall people learn that there are no Gods but in their own minds that 
rule their thinking wherefor they never will learn to understand each other. 
>>

_
They might when everyone in the world becomes blind -- but not until then. As 
long as people can gaze up at the heavens, look down into a microscope, or 
contemplate the daily wonders that are available to the naked eye, Gods 
existence will be accepted.

There's nothing wrong with "god" or "religion" -- until PEOPLE start twisting 
it around to accomplish their own petty little goals ... All of the worlds 
major religions have the same basic beliefs ... they only differ in the minor 
points -- a rose by any other name will smell as sweet -- but the People in 
Control ALWAYS Mess Everything Up. 

LG 

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<< I wonder what you mean by "impose"? >>
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Sometimes I get the feeling that the leaders of western civilizations live in 
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> 
> In a message dated 12/2/01 9:57:32 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> << What about helping in this deciding. Helping them to know what the choises 
> are?  >>
> ___
> By all means ...
> 
> Just keep in mind that Western civilization has been trying to impose
> its ideals on Africa for several hundred years ... Very little luck, so far 
> ...
> but there's ALWAYS Hope!  :)
> 
> LG
> 
> =

I agree. There is always hope. It's just that I wonder what you mean by "impose"? What 
was meant in the old days in Africa didn't work. I hope that the imposing years are 
passed. The colonial days are gone.

What I mean is showing those isolated tribes what the rest of the world looks like in 
spite of all "bessewissers" in their own tribes that's doing whatever they can to 
isolate their heard in order to keep them in the flock. And, by the way, even some 
parts og America need some of that treatment too. Then the shouting of "God bless" 
would be swallowed when the knowledge hit them on the head. And so would happen in tha 
arab world. People are responsible for their own actions. No Gods of any kind.

Maybe we in Scandinavia should return to the old God of Thor and Odin and start behave 
like the Vikings once again? The Vikings were active about the same time as the 
muslims started their religion, so why not do as bin Laden and go back to those times? 
The Viking longships on the way to plunder Paris, London, Dublin, S:t Petersburg and 
Istambul once again?

Or why not go further back to the Zarathustrians 1.500 B.C.? Even the Sumerians 3.000 
B.C. had their Gods. When shall people learn that there are no Gods but in their own 
minds that rule their thinking wherefor they never will learn to understand each other.

I'm afraid that there will never be peace as long as religion rules and teach that 
you, your self, are the best and everybody else is of a lower standard.

But kinowledge about the different parts of the world helps and that's why the 
Talibans were so opposed to the modern communications. It brings knowledge!

Claes
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