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In a message dated 12/12/01 9:34:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
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<< I think people will do pretty much what you EXPECT them to do. If you 
expect them to be weak, they will be weak. If you expect them to be strong, 
they will be strong. A lot of people will use it as an excuse to do bad if 
that is what you think of them. So, I always expect people to be the best 
they can be. God doesn't make junk. janice >>
__
Exactly! That's what I've found -- people will live up to the expectations 
you have of them IF you let them know what you expect. Yes -- there are 
exceptions to this, but thankfully they are few and far between.

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In a message dated 12/14/01 9:52:49 AM 
  Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  OK! We both know that both the alternatives can not work alone. 
The result of a totally free Capitalism as well as a totally free Socialism 
both ends in caos by themselves. I beleive in a reasonable balance between 
the two. I'm for both.Claes§( :8-)
  I don't know. People 
  having the nature to not do things for themselves if someone will do it for 
  them, I think it would always be more and more socialism. What do you think? 
  janice
  ___
   
  It's in fact the other 
  way around. I understand the the american media is not following the European 
  politics, but:
   
  No communism exist any 
  more.
   
  Social Demcrates (not 
  socialists, that is a name only used by the right wing that don't like to 
  remeber that we are all democrats) has succeded yo level out any thing about 
  socializing. As you know it's the opposite. State companies are sold to the 
  market here.
   
  The former communists has 
  adopted that the eastern communism was a dead end (that all the rest of us 
  allready knew).
   
  Why are you afraid that 
  no one will work? Do you think that to be a valid worry? I think it's a myth 
  that keeps the rightwingers in the flock, and nothing else.
   
  Once, about 100 years ago 
  or more, we had also a globalized world much like to day, however the 
  communications were much slower. There were very few partys to contradict the 
  right wing and the capitalism was runling alone. We all know what happened. 
  Wars and communism as many people got into trouble as there was no economic 
  safetynet in those days. Nothing is new under the sun.
   
  The same complaining 
  about the bums and the lazy was going on. It was their own fault that they had 
  no work. It was their own fault that there showed up 100 applicants for every 
  work. It does not take much thinking to understand that there was some logic 
  here that didn't fit. It was not the workers fault that the companies went 
  bust and they, themselves ended up on the street with wife and children. For 
  some reason that never happend to the capitalists.
   
  The workers unions 
  started an organisation that could provide a small sum for some limited time. 
  The idea spread and the state took up the idea and formed unemployment 
  organisations run by the unions.
   
  But we also know that 
  this was done under a hard resistance from the rightwing parties. The reasons 
  given by them were the same that you use to day. The history shows that those 
  reasons were invalid. In some countrys in Europe they were slower to recognize 
  that all people has their rights.War and communism 
  came out of that.
   
  What if the idea 
  of the welfare state had been much more wellcome? Maybe the 20:th century 
  had been a much more pieceful one instead becoming the most warfilled in 
  history.
   
  Claes
  §( :8-)
   
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In a message dated 12/14/01 9:51:37 AM 
  Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Why is this arguing only about social costs? Taxes are used to 
pay for a lot of other tings that the state and the communities are 
responsible to pay for and that need a lot bigger sums from the taxpayer and 
that you may not agree with either. Do you want to get all this reduced too? 
What will be left of the good society if all those things that is the 
buildingstones of a good society if they, as you wish, are reduced to a 
minimum and thereby works a lot worse? As someone else asked: Are we going 
back to the time of Dickens?Claes§( :8-)
  I have no problem 
  paying taxes for all those things. I think there should be help for anyone who 
  is truly sick or injured from an illness or an accident. I give money to 
  charities also. I give any things I no longer need to charities. I help 
  children with no parents or with bad parents learn to read on the weekends. I 
  help out at the Veterans home here reading to the men and writing letters for 
  them and some sewing, but I am not to good at that. But I refuse to sit 
  quietly by while my government encourages people to be lazy and take drugs. 
  There is a whole industry building up around this problem. And if some people 
  get good paying government jobs taking care of bums and drug addicts I can 
  tell you now, that they will make sure there are MORE bums and drug addicts to 
  keep those good jobs. Then they will want their daughter or son to get one of 
  those good jobs and then you will need more bums. I would rather the 
  government produce jobs in some less destructive way. It would be better for 
  the country AND the bums. If no one says anything it will just get worse. Most 
  people don't want to be bothered worrying about it. Then I WILL DO SOMETHING. 
  Is this wrong to want what is best for the country? Everyone always thinks of 
  the money. There are principles here.janice
  
   
  There you are getting 
  personal again. I too give to charity organisations, like that there is help 
  for the sick, for the desabled and other needing. Is it true that there are so 
  many bums as you say?
   
  To me it seems as you 
  have taken this with bums to your mantra as soon as any one mentions 
  anything about social costs, really.
   
  Why not take for granted 
  that your taxmoney goes to the armed forces, or something like that. Then it's 
  all right.
   
  Claes
  §( :8-)
   

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In a message dated 12/14/01 9:53:35 AM 
  Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Have you hired personal guards too?Claes§( 
:8-)
  Why, I shoot very 
  well. janice
  __
   
  That's what they all say, 
  isn't it?
   
  Claes
  §( :8-)
   
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In a message dated 12/14/01 9:52:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


OK! We both know that both the alternatives can not work alone. The result of a totally free Capitalism as well as a totally free Socialism both ends in caos by themselves. I beleive in a reasonable balance between the two. I'm for both.
 
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§( :8-)
 


I don't know. People having the nature to not do things for themselves if someone will do it for them, I think it would always be more and more socialism. What do you think? janice


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In a message dated 12/14/01 9:51:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Why is this arguing only about social costs? Taxes are used to pay for a lot of other tings that the state and the communities are responsible to pay for and that need a lot bigger sums from the taxpayer and that you may not agree with either. Do you want to get all this reduced too? What will be left of the good society if all those things that is the buildingstones of a good society if they, as you wish, are reduced to a minimum and thereby works a lot worse? As someone else asked: Are we going back to the time of Dickens?
 
Claes
§( :8-)


I have no problem paying taxes for all those things. I think there should be help for anyone who is truly sick or injured from an illness or an accident. I give money to charities also. I give any things I no longer need to charities. I help children with no parents or with bad parents learn to read on the weekends. I help out at the Veterans home here reading to the men and writing letters for them and some sewing, but I am not to good at that. But I refuse to sit quietly by while my government encourages people to be lazy and take drugs. There is a whole industry building up around this problem. And if some people get good paying government jobs taking care of bums and drug addicts I can tell you now, that they will make sure there are MORE bums and drug addicts to keep those good jobs. Then they will want their daughter or son to get one of those good jobs and then you will need more bums. I would rather the government produce jobs in some less destructive way. It would be better for the country AND the bums. If no one says anything it will just get worse. Most people don't want to be bothered worrying about it. Then I WILL DO SOMETHING. Is this wrong to want what is best for the country? Everyone always thinks of the money. There are principles here.janice


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In a message dated 12/13/01 11:49:43 AM 
  Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Capitalism is an important tool for development, trade and 
  spread of wealth, but it can not be allowed to run heywild. Then the bad 
  outways the good.Claes§( :8-)You make some very valid points. But it is far 
better that the alternative No? janice___Sorry, Janice, 
but I don't get the question:)
  I was asking if you 
  didn't think that Capitalism was better than Socialism? janice
  _
   
  OK! We both know that both the alternatives can not work 
  alone. The result of a totally free Capitalism as well as a totally free 
  Socialism both ends in caos by themselves. I beleive in a reasonable 
  balance between the two. I'm for both.
   
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  §( :8-)
   

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In a message dated 12/13/01 10:38:46 AM 
  Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  First: all people are not strong anyway.Second: All that is 
conservatine crap in order to save taxes. Get back to the real life where 
there are all sorts of people.Third: I still think that no one should decide any ones 
faith, or expected time of life, witch is what you try to do by denying them 
help. Can we give help to the "weak" people in other parts of the world we 
must also do something for our own weak.Claes
  I am not deciding 
  ANYONES faith or length of life. Tell me, do you think anyone should be 
  responsible for what they do and how they live. If I understand you correctly, 
  I can drink and take drugs and not pay my bills or clean my house and you 
  would pay someone to take care of me because I am weak? Is that what you are 
  saying? I just want to be sure that I understand. janice
  
   
  You are part of those 
  that argue for diminishing the social expences, right? If the arguing gets 
  some effect you are part  in the process. The consequenses of this is 
  also your responsibility
   
  You are, of course, not 
  responsible for how those people have been living, but how those people should 
  have been living in order to save taxes is academic. The situations is what it 
  is now. What to do about it now. Nothing? Why are you takeing those kind og 
  arguments like it's only you that is going to pay for it?
   
  Why is this arguing only 
  about social costs? Taxes are used to pay for a lot of other tings that the 
  state and the communities are responsible to pay for and that need a lot 
  bigger sums from the taxpayer and that you may not agree with either. Do you 
  want to get all this reduced too? What will be left of the good society if all 
  those things that is the buildingstones of a good society if they, as you 
  wish, are reduced to a minimum and thereby works a lot worse? As someone else 
  asked: Are we going back to the time of Dickens?
   
  Claes
  §( :8-)
   

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Capitalism is an important tool for development, trade and spread of wealth, but it can not be allowed to run heywild. Then the bad outways the good.

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§( :8-)



You make some very valid points. But it is far better that the alternative No? janice
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Sorry, Janice, but I don't get the question:)


I was asking if you didn't think that Capitalism was better than Socialism? janice


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First: all people are not strong anyway.
Second: All that is conservatine crap in order to save taxes. Get back to the real life where there are all sorts of people.
Third: I still think that no one should decide any ones faith, or expected time of life, witch is what you try to do by denying them help. Can we give help to the "weak" people in other parts of the world we must also do something for our own weak.
 
Claes


I am not deciding ANYONES faith or length of life. Tell me, do you think anyone should be responsible for what they do and how they live. If I understand you correctly, I can drink and take drugs and not pay my bills or clean my house and you would pay someone to take care of me because I am weak? Is that what you are saying? I just want to be sure that I understand. janice


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In a message dated 12/12/01 7:45:04 AM 
  Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Capitalism is an important tool for development, trade and 
spread of wealth, but it can not be allowed to run heywild. Then the bad 
outways the good.Claes§( :8-)
  You make some very 
  valid points. But it is far better that the alternative No? 
janice
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  Sorry, Janice, but I don't get the question:)
   
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  §( :8-)
   
   
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In a message dated 12/12/01 9:48:07 AM 
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  Alcohol destroy the brain and for some it's too late. They are 
not able to take care of themselves. They sometimes get a small pension for 
medical reasons. But temporary help is to be payed back. Can you not call 
this a direct act of "Big Brother"?Claes§( :8-)
  See here is where we 
  part company. If someone drinks themselves to the point they can no longer 
  function, I say let them rot. No one held the bottle to their mouth and FORCED 
  them to drink. You act as if you think most people are weak and can't help 
  what they do. I think people will do pretty much what you EXPECT them to do. 
  If you expect them to be weak, they will be weak. If you expect them to be 
  strong, they will be strong. A lot of people will use it as an excuse to do 
  bad if that is what you think of them. So, I always expect people to be the 
  best they can be. God doesn't make junk.janice
  _
   
  First: all people are not 
  strong anyway.
  Second: All that is 
  conservatine crap in order to save taxes. Get back to the real life where 
  there are all sorts of people.
  Third: I still think that 
  no one should decide any ones faith, or expected time of life, witch is what 
  you try to do by denying them help. Can we give help to the "weak" people 
  in other parts of the world we must also do something for our own 
  weak.
   
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  §( :8-)
   
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Alcohol destroy the brain and for some it's too late. They are not able to take care of themselves. They sometimes get a small pension for medical reasons. But temporary help is to be payed back. Can you not call this a direct act of "Big Brother"?
 
Claes
§( :8-)


See here is where we part company. If someone drinks themselves to the point they can no longer function, I say let them rot. No one held the bottle to their mouth and FORCED them to drink. You act as if you think most people are weak and can't help what they do. I think people will do pretty much what you EXPECT them to do. If you expect them to be weak, they will be weak. If you expect them to be strong, they will be strong. A lot of people will use it as an excuse to do bad if that is what you think of them. So, I always expect people to be the best they can be. God doesn't make junk.janice


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4:51:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
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  Are everybody a bum? All the got layd off at Boing, for example? 
Some of them may be need help for some time. Of course, if nothing is done 
to help them over this harch happening they soon will be bums and, if get 
your way, will vanish. State save money, but loose people.Then the next 
group gets laid off, and then the next. Then, in the end, there is only 
little janice left to pay for the whole government, except for all those 
bums that in large numbers succeded crossing the border from the south. 
Glorious future you have.
  Claes, you kind 
  hearted sweetie you. When Boeing lays off someone, not only do they get 
  unemployment insurance. Their unions have made deals to where they ALMOST get 
  as much as when they were working. There are jobs galore here. You may need 
  two (such as I have at times). But if you are willing there is work. Most of 
  the people on welfare are recent immigrants who should not be here and women 
  who had children while not married and drug addicts and alcoholics. Now there 
  are people who will say that most of the people on welfare are children. This 
  is also true. They are the children of the bums I just mentioned. And while it 
  is OK to feel sorry for them it is their BUM parents who have caused their 
  plight not I. And as long as we keep paying them to have children while not 
  married a drug addict or an alcoholic, they will never stop. The best thing to 
  do is to FORCE them to get a job, which they would do if the government was 
  not paying them NOT to work. Do you understand yet??janice
   
  _
   
  Yes. I jumped into the 
  wrong barrel (or bucket?) there. A missunderstanding!
   
  I have alredy explained 
  it to... (sorry, I forgot who) but I write it down again.
   
  People that refuse to 
  take a job that, as far as any one can judge, is suitable according to physic 
  and aducational reasons is treated this way here in Sweden:
   
  First time refusal he or 
  she (both genders are just as requent, I think) is loosing 25% of the 
  unemployment money for 100 days. (It's a collective unemployment insurance in 
  Sweden). The second time refusal it's 50% of for 100 days. The third time 
  it's cut off and then it's off to social security where there is a whole lot 
  of explaining to do. And to participate in jobsearching activities if they 
  want to get money regularly.
   
  To be excepted for 
  unimployment money again they have to have a 12 month period of regular work, 
  the same way they qualified in the first place.
   
  There is no such pressing 
  on the refusals in the USA?
   
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> In a message dated 12/11/01 4:04:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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> << You need at least 20 translating helpers with several differet languages 
> each >>
> _
> We could send all the Spanish-speaking folks to Spain ... they're not taking 
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> late . 
> 
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Capitalism is an important tool for development, trade and spread of wealth, but it can not be allowed to run heywild. Then the bad outways the good.
 
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Are everybody a bum? All the got layd off at Boing, for example? Some of them may be need help for some time. Of course, if nothing is done to help them over this harch happening they soon will be bums and, if get your way, will vanish. State save money, but loose people.
 
Then the next group gets laid off, and then the next. Then, in the end, there is only little janice left to pay for the whole government, except for all those bums that in large numbers succeded crossing the border from the south. Glorious future you have.


Claes, you kind hearted sweetie you. When Boeing lays off someone, not only do they get unemployment insurance. Their unions have made deals to where they ALMOST get as much as when they were working. There are jobs galore here. You may need two (such as I have at times). But if you are willing there is work. Most of the people on welfare are recent immigrants who should not be here and women who had children while not married and drug addicts and alcoholics. Now there are people who will say that most of the people on welfare are children. This is also true. They are the children of the bums I just mentioned. And while it is OK to feel sorry for them it is their BUM parents who have caused their plight not I. And as long as we keep paying them to have children while not married a drug addict or an alcoholic, they will never stop. The best thing to do is to FORCE them to get a job, which they would do if the government was not paying them NOT to work. Do you understand yet??janice


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> In a message dated 12/12/01 4:52:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> << Oh horse pucky!! I like what the Gov. of Arkansas did though. He's putting 
> it to a vote. Those people like you who want to help the bums, can vote 
> themselves higher taxes. Then they leave the rest of us alone. I hope it 
> catches on. janice
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
> Are everybody a bum? All the got layd off at Boing, for example? Some of them 
> may be need help for some time. Of course, if nothing is done to help them 
> over this harch happening they soon will be bums and, if get your way, will 
> vanish. State save money, but loose people. >>
> ___
> [On a similiar note] -- Oh Road Apples! You know perfectly well that Janice 
> is referring to the people who refuse to work, not the people that have been 
> laid off ... Geesh!
> 
> LG
_

Sorry! a missunderstanding. If someone refuse to take an advised job that is, as far 
as any one can see, suitable for that person concerning physics and education? The 
first time he or she loose 25% for 100 days. The second time he or she looses 50% for 
100 days. The third time he or she refuses to take a job like that he or she is off 
the money for being out of work. Then no more money for being out of work until they 
have qualified themselves by working in a regular job for 12 months. Thats so in 
Sweden. It's of to social security where they have to explain themselves and go to 
jobsearching activities. What about the USA?

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<< Oh horse pucky!! I like what the Gov. of Arkansas did though. He's putting 
it to a vote. Those people like you who want to help the bums, can vote 
themselves higher taxes. Then they leave the rest of us alone. I hope it 
catches on. janice
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
Are everybody a bum? All the got layd off at Boing, for example? Some of them 
may be need help for some time. Of course, if nothing is done to help them 
over this harch happening they soon will be bums and, if get your way, will 
vanish. State save money, but loose people. >>
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is referring to the people who refuse to work, not the people that have been 
laid off ... Geesh!

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In a message dated 12/11/01 4:04:14 PM 
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  Yes, you have this system that you need to buy a health 
insurance privatelly. Here in Europe that's not needed. It's included in the 
taxation.But are no one that gets help of the social security 
expected to pay back? Here you have to pay back temporary help. For 
excample: You are travelling and get visited by a thief where you stay. Door 
in the hotel broken up. Clear case. Your wallet with the cards gone. You are 
a long way from home. The social security loans you the money to come home 
on the train, but then you have to pay back.Claes
  No, they never have 
  to pay it back. They can keep taking drugs or being an alcoholic or just a 
  bum. They don't care why you need the money. They just give you the money. 
  janice
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  If that's so it's too 
  loose. Here those that are receiving support are also supposed to participate 
  in jobb searching activities and other activities of that sort. If they don't 
  show up they get no money. So they show up and some are really finding work, 
  if they are not too long gone in their sickness. Alcohol destroy the brain and 
  for some it's too late. They are not able to take care of themselves. They 
  sometimes get a small pension for medical reasons. But temporary help is to be 
  payed back. Can you not call this a direct act of "Big Brother"?
   
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<< You need at least 20 translating helpers with several differet languages 
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In a message dated 12/11/01 4:06:00 PM 
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  So, it's greed that is behind all this complaining that the 
society have to spend some money for the misfortuned? You want more personal 
freedom, right? It's the same all world over.Claes§( 
:8-)
  Claes, you are a 
  sweet man. How about we agree to disagree on this subject? I will never think 
  it is greedy to want to keep my own money for things that I need instead of 
  giving it to people that are too lazy to work. You think that  I am 
  greedy. So we disagree. OK? janice
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  OK, janice. Usually 
  things look diffrent if you go out from a personal or a theortical perspective 
  an that's maybe we have to diagree.
   
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In a message dated 12/11/01 2:12:26 PM 
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Is it not allowed to try and fail? You know, the corporations 
  decide who to emply, not those out of work. In the 17:th century the 
  normal attitude to those beeing out of work was that it was their own 
  faults, but since then the economists and nealry every one else have 
  understood that it is not that simple. When will you?Claes§( :8-)
  Let me go out on a limb here. You are Anti capitalist?  
  janice
  __
  No, I'm not anticapitalist, but on the other hand I can see that 
  kapitalism without restrictions comes close to economic anarcy. That is only 
  good for the big capital. It has to be balanced. The discusions about how this 
  is going to be done and the level at witch this control should be placed 
  to protect those countrys and groups of people that can not make a reasonable 
  stand in the competition with the big capitalists is going on.
   
  Any one can see that the globalisation (that is not new, by the way) 
  gives not only good effects. It's also resulting in effects that shold be 
  dealt with in a manner that the globalisation don't make things worse, as the 
  IMF reasently have understood.
   
  Capitalism is an important tool for development, trade and spread of 
  wealth, but it can not be allowed to run heywild. Then the bad outways the 
  good.
   
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- Original Message - 
From: Andreas Spilioe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: SV: SV: SV: {W&P} Bush & Treaties


Sorry, I missed the entire argument.  Father's should help a little more in
what?  I'm all for that - in the spirit of compromise
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Bringing up their children and pay for it.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 12:06 
  AM
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  11:46:12 AM Pacific 
  Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Of all the countries in the western world where the arguing for 
a total close down of these systems without thinking of the consequenses for 
the majority of people needing those systems, the loudest demands seems to 
come from the USA. Shame on you!Claes§( :8-)
  Oh horse pucky!! I 
  like what the Gov. of Arkansas did though. He's putting it to a vote. Those 
  people like you who want to help the bums, can vote themselves higher taxes. 
  Then they leave the rest of us alone. I hope it catches on. 
janice
  ___
   
  Are everybody a bum? All 
  the got layd off at Boing, for example? Some of them may be need help for some 
  time. Of course, if nothing is done to help them over this harch happening 
  they soon will be bums and, if get your way, will vanish. State save money, 
  but loose people.
   
  Then the next group gets 
  laid off, and then the next. Then, in the end, there is only little janice 
  left to pay for the whole goverment, except for all those bums that in 
  large numbers succeded crossing the border from the south. Glorious 
  future you have.
   
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In a message dated 12/11/01 2:23:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
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<< Sorry, I missed the entire argument.  Father's should help a little more in
 what?  I'm all for that - in the spirit of compromise >>
__
We were discussing illigitimate children and who should be responsible for 
them.

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Is it not allowed to try and fail? You know, the corporations decide who to emply, not those out of work. In the 17:th century the normal attitude to those beeing out of work was that it was their own faults, but since then the economists and nealry every one else have understood that it is not that simple. When will you?
 
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In a message dated 12/11/01 4:06:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


So, it's greed that is behind all this complaining that the society have to spend some money for the misfortuned? You want more personal freedom, right? It's the same all world over.
 
Claes
§( :8-)


Claes, you are a sweet man. How about we agree to disagree on this subject? I will never think it is greedy to want to keep my own money for things that I need instead of giving it to people that are too lazy to work. You think that  I am greedy. So we disagree. OK? janice


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In a message dated 12/10/01 1:46:23 PM 
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  If the state is paying for their upbringing they live in 
poverty. If it doesn't, how do they live then? We are talking about babies. 
Not villans. What about making sure that the fathers help a little more, 
when it cames to lone mothers. If there is something wrong here the adults 
are to blame. No shame or ecnonic punishment should hit the baby, right. 
That's not fair!Claes§( :8-)
  Wake up and sniff the schnapps Claes. People living in poverty 
  get free medical care. I don't. They don't have to work. I do. This is fair. 
  No one said these women had to have babies. And if the father could be found 
  he would be made to help. Most of the time these women are not interested in 
  finding him. They are taken care of with MY TAX money. If they didn't take so 
  much of my money for these women who cannot keep their legs together maybe I 
  could buy health insurance off ME!!! janice
  
   
  Some women tend to fall for the wrong man every time. I don't know why. 
  No one, but my ex wife, tries to fall for me allthough I would be rather a guy 
  to depend on, if I may say so myself.
   
  Yes, you have this system that you need to buy a health insurance 
  privatelly. Here in Europe that's not needed. It's included in the 
  taxation.
   
  But are no one that gets help of the social security expected to pay 
  back? Here you have to pay back temporary help. For excample: You are 
  travelling and get visited by a thief where you stay. Door in the hotel broken 
  up. Clear case. Your wallet with the cards gone. You are a long way from home. 
  The social security loans you the money to come home on the train, but then 
  you have to pay back.
   
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Yes, you have this system that you need to buy a health insurance privatelly. Here in Europe that's not needed. It's included in the taxation.
 
But are no one that gets help of the social security expected to pay back? Here you have to pay back temporary help. For excample: You are travelling and get visited by a thief where you stay. Door in the hotel broken up. Clear case. Your wallet with the cards gone. You are a long way from home. The social security loans you the money to come home on the train, but then you have to pay back.
 
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No, they never have to pay it back. They can keep taking drugs or being an alcoholic or just a bum. They don't care why you need the money. They just give you the money. janice


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> In a message dated 12/11/01 11:46:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> << the loudest demands seems to come from the USA. Shame on you! >>
> 
> +
> OK -- I'm thoroughly chastised ... how about we pack 'em up and send 'em all 
> to Europe, since you have so much more to offer and can take better care of 
> them... We'll even pay for the one-way tickets ... fair enough?
> 
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In a message dated 12/10/01 4:19:48 PM 
  Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  --I  thought that you knew that. In any case you are 
quite sure of how not to spend them. Does not the one knolledge comes with 
the other?Claes§( :8-)
  How about WE keep it and decide for ourselves? Novel concept huh? 
  janice
  `__
   
  So, it's greed that is behind all this complaining that the society have 
  to spend some money for the misfortuned? You want more personal freedom, 
  right? It's the same all world over.
   
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In a message dated 12/11/01 11:46:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Of all the countries in the western world where the arguing for a total close down of these systems without thinking of the consequenses for the majority of people needing those systems, the loudest demands seems to come from the USA. Shame on you!
 
Claes
§( :8-)


Oh horse pucky!! I like what the Gov. of Arkansas did though. He's putting it to a vote. Those people like you who want to help the bums, can vote themselves higher taxes. Then they leave the rest of us alone. I hope it catches on. janice

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> In a message dated 12/10/01 4:19:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> << Does not the one knolledge comes with the other? >>
> ---
> Evidentally not...
> 
> LG
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Evidentally it does for any one that want to see the connection. So much I remeber of 
the content, but as you have not let any of the subject show in your clip, that has to 
be all.

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Sorry, I missed the entire argument.  Father's should help a little more in
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> In a message dated 12/11/01 5:18:05 AM Pacific Standard Time,
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> << What about making sure that the fathers help a little more, >>
> ___
> And if they don't, thoughts of castration leap immediately to mind!
>
> LG
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> << What about making sure that the fathers help a little more, >>
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  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 4:52 
  AM
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  In a message dated 
  12/10/01 1:42:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  Something has to be done about the problems people face. What 
would you sugest? How should the goverment spend the money? Claes 
  The people must do 
  something for themselves. It is better for everyone if the people with the 
  problem, find a solution that works for them and that they are a part 
  of.janice/
  __
   
  Is it not allowed to try 
  and fail? You know, the corporations decide who to emply, not those out of 
  work. In the 17:th century the normal attitude to those beeing out of work was 
  that it was their own faults, but since then the economists and nealry 
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<< the loudest demands seems to come from the USA. Shame on you! >>

+
OK -- I'm thoroughly chastised ... how about we pack 'em up and send 'em all 
to Europe, since you have so much more to offer and can take better care of 
them... We'll even pay for the one-way tickets ... fair enough?

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--I  thought that you knew that. In any case you are quite sure of how not to spend them. Does not the one knolledge comes with the other?

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  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 10:37 
  PM
  Subject: Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: SV: SV: SV: 
  SV: {W&P} Bush & Treaties
  In a message dated 
  12/9/01 5:56:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  As there are a couple of hundred of millions more that help you, 
why are you taking this so personal. You are in good company, right? That's 
a big society! What you are saying is that you, yourself, want to have a 
deffinite say about who is going to get help from your part of the taxes and 
who is not? Or would you just like to get a free ticket from paying taxes? 
That would, at least, make a very complicated society.Claes§( 
:8-)
  You were not paying 
  attention. I am not getting the same help that MY taxes are paying for BUMS to 
  get. And that is because I WORK AND THEY DO NOT> That was the 
  point.janice
  
   
  In all countries in the 
  western world there is one form or onother for levelling out the economic 
  misfortunes
   
  In all countries in the 
  western world tere are people that will try to bebfit from these systems in 
  order to avoid doing there part in the working force. That's sad but 
  true.
   
  In all countries in the 
  western world there are also a number of people that gets upset by this 
  unavoidable fact and argue for this to stop. Not unexpected and often well 
  formulated.
   
  In all countries in the 
  western world, however, one is not against that the honest part that need this 
  system of temporally levelling out their misfortunes. That's 
good.
   
  Of all the countries in 
  the western world where the arguing for a total close down of these systems 
  without thinking of the consequenses for the majority of people needing those 
  systems, the loudest demands seems to come from the USA. Shame on 
  you!
   
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<< Does not the one knolledge comes with the other? >>
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Something has to be done about the problems people face. What would you sugest? How should the goverment spend the money? Claes 



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<< Yes I positivly think that I should not have to support lazy lowlifes who 
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> In a message dated 12/10/01 1:42:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> << How should the goverment spend the money? >>
> _
> And maybe if we quit financing research on the sex habits of the African 
> tse-tse fly and the millions of other similarly ridiculous programs we waste 
> money on, we could find viable solutions .   
> 
> LG
_

I think that there is some controlling function in the academic world, but the borders 
have to be wide. One never knows where one stumble over somethng important. And, in 
the wiew of the number of patents granted in the USA I think that the american 
scientists are doing a good deal of uesful (and profitabe) "stumbling".

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> In a message dated 12/10/01 1:42:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> << How should the goverment spend the money? >>
> __
> If we knew that, WE'D be the ones with the cushy jobs in D.C.
> 
> LG
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--I  thought that you knew that. In any case you are quite sure of how not to spend 
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In a message dated 12/9/01 5:56:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


As there are a couple of hundred of millions more that help you, why are you taking this so personal. You are in good company, right? That's a big society! What you are saying is that you, yourself, want to have a deffinite say about who is going to get help from your part of the taxes and who is not? Or would you just like to get a free ticket from paying taxes? That would, at least, make a very complicated society.

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You were not paying attention. I am not getting the same help that MY taxes are paying for BUMS to get. And that is because I WORK AND THEY DO NOT> That was the point.janice


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  In a message dated 
  12/8/01 5:55:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  I, for at least one, fail to see how having a baby, with or 
without wedlock, can be judged to be among the worst of 
actions!Claes§( :8-)
  In this country if 
  you are not married and have a baby the government will support you and the 
  baby until it is 18 years old. But 90% of those children will live in poverty 
  become criminals or drug addicts and have children without being married 
  themselves. There are families with three and four generations who have never 
  held a job. Or had fathers around. You think this is a GOOD thing that should 
  be encouraged? Or a bad thing that should be discouraged? I think that three 
  generations of people who have never had a job and that the taxpayers are 
  forced to take care of with their hard earned money is a bad thing. Why should 
  some people have to work hard their entire lives so that other people can sit 
  around and do nothing but have more children that the working people get taxed 
  more to pay for? Do you REALLY think that is fair? Or do you think that maybe 
  those people should stop having those children until they get a job and can 
  take care of them? 
  janice__
   
  If the state is paying for their upbringing they live in 
  poverty. If it doesn't, how do they live then? We are talking about babies. 
  Not villans. What about making sure that the fathers help a little more, when 
  it cames to lone mothers. If there is something wrong here the adults are to 
  blame. No shame or ecnonic punishment should hit the baby, right. That's not 
  fair!
   
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<< Yes I positivly think that I should not have to support lazy lowlifes who 
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<< Or would you just like to get a free ticket from paying taxes? That would, 
at least, make a very complicated society. >>
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You need to do a little historical research ... you seem to forget that this 
country was started because of a disagreement over taxation. The cry then, 
was "No taxation without representation" ... we have since discovered that it 
is No Better "with" representation.

Then Congress passed a little income tax law because they needed a few bucks 
to pay for ... WWI, right? ... just something temporary -- it won't last 
long! HAHAHAHAHA
Only Congress discovered the joys of pork barrel spending and we've had this 
millstone around our necks ever since. 

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  Wright 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 4:02 
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  Claes Persson wrote: 
  
 --No. The point is: How come that the 
  taxpayer in USA always see themselves as victims and not as the fortunate 
  ones? They can pay tax. They have what they need or they wouln't qualify 
  as taxpayers. Some positive thinking would help, don't you 
  think? Claes§( 
  :8-)
  No, the point is that if the US continues on the path it has been since 
  1964, within a few decades we will have more people on the government paycheck 
  than we will have people paying taxes and our country will collapse from 
  within, like most great societies. The point is our government is encourages 
  welfare and give away programs and discourages self-reliance and investments 
  for the purpose of generating income. 
  We tax payers are far more concerned about the way our taxes are 
  spent than the amount of taxes we pay. The future of our country rests 
  in the votes of the uneducated, illiterate persons that have never paid any 
  taxes. This group of voters will soon outnumber the educated and taxpaying 
  work force. there is no doubt that the results will not be favorable for the 
  continuation of our country. 
  You are typical liberal. Even you can see (I know you are not that stupid) 
  that the USA and many countries in Europe can not cope with the ever 
  increasing tax burden and shrinking taxpayer base. 
  Roger Ohio 
  _
  --The principle you line out exists logically as a 
  thret to all countrys. Those sceems that you fear so much are not only to be 
  found in the USA, and so far has no country gone bust beacuse of them although 
  many countrys have much bigger sceems going on.
  On the other hand: most of the countrys in Europe 
  has also much bigger taxes. The result of that is that a much bigger part of 
  those money spent is returning to the state or community in the form of taxes 
  one way or the other. The extreem is if some one use some of the money to by a 
  bottle of boose. Then 95% returns directelly as a taxincome to the state. 
  Less returns from food and other commoditys, but still.
  Still. Something has to be done about the problems 
  people face. What would you sugest? How should the goverment spend the 
  money?
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In a message dated 12/8/01 5:56:56 AM 
  Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
--No. The point is: How come that the taxpayer in USA always 
  see themselves as victims and not as the fortunate ones? They can pay tax. 
  They have what they need or they wouln't qualify as taxpayers. Some 
  positive thinking would help, don't you think?Claes§( 
  :8-)
  Yes I positivly think that I should not have to support lazy lowlifes who 
  don't want to work. janice__
   
  --As there are a couple of hundred of millions more that help you, why 
  are you taking this so personal. You are in good company, right? That's a big 
  society! What you are saying is that you, yourself, want to have a deffinite 
  say about who is going to get help from your part of the taxes 
  and who is not? Or would you just like to get a free ticket from paying taxes? 
  That would, at least, make a very complicated society.
  Claes
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In a message dated 12/8/01 5:56:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



--No. The point is: How come that the taxpayer in USA always see themselves as victims and not as the fortunate ones? They can pay tax. They have what they need or they wouln't qualify as taxpayers. Some positive thinking would help, don't you think?
 
Claes
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Claes Persson wrote:

 --No.
The point is: How come that the taxpayer in USA always see themselves as
victims and not as the fortunate ones? They can pay tax. They have what
they need or they wouln't qualify as taxpayers. Some positive thinking
would help, don't you think? Claes§(
:8-)


No, the point is that if the US continues on the path it has been
since 1964, within a few decades we will have more people on the government
paycheck than we will have people paying taxes and our country will collapse
from within, like most great societies. The point is our government is
encourages welfare and give away programs and discourages self-reliance
and investments for the purpose of generating income.
We tax payers are far more concerned about the way our taxes
are spent than the amount of taxes we pay. The future of our country
rests in the votes of the uneducated, illiterate persons that have never
paid any taxes. This group of voters will soon outnumber the educated and
taxpaying work force. there is no doubt that the results will not be favorable
for the continuation of our country.
You are typical liberal. Even you can see (I know you are not that stupid)
that the USA and many countries in Europe can not cope with the ever increasing
tax burden and shrinking taxpayer base.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 11:46 AM
  Subject: Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: SV: SV: {W&P} Bush & Treaties


  In a message dated 12/6/01 1:37:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:



I meant: where has it gone wrong in the USA when you cant make sure that every 
citizen at least have a deasent way of living in spite of so low prises on many 
commodities?
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  The point is why should the taxpayer make sure every lazy low life has a free ride. 
People who are TRULY in need are well taken care of by the government and by 
charities. But if you are an able bodied person, there is no reason you need a handout 
from the hardworking taxpayers. Drug addiction is not a reason to expect to be taken 
care of. It is a personal choice for a person to remain that way. having children when 
you are not married is a personal choice. Neither of these things should be the 
responsibility of the taxpayer. janice
  

  --No. The point is: How come that the taxpayer in USA always see themselves as 
victims and not as the fortunate ones? They can pay tax. They have what they need or 
they wouln't qualify as taxpayers. Some positive thinking would help, don't you think?

  Claes
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- Original Message - 
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> In a message dated 12/6/01 1:37:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> << If I go to the nearest little resturant in the neibourhood, the whole 
> thing takes only twenty minutes. I like that better. >>
> __
> That is the one thing I think I would like about living in a city. To be able 
> to walk to a little restraurant, or corner store ... Especially in a place as 
> lovely as Denmark.
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--Close enogh. I live in a small Swedish town, but within sight of the Capital of 
Denmark: Copenhagen. Across the Öresund sound.

Reasently a bridge for both cars and trains was completed (a year ago) between 
Copenhagen and Malmö (30 miles south of here). Now is planned a train tunnel between 
the danish town Helsingör and the swedish town Helsingborg. (15 miles north) The 
investigation is helped by funds from EU.

Yes, I live in a small town, but still in the middle of it all. And a supermarket 
excists in the same block, the library in the next. Bus station a few blocks away with 
connections to any part of this south part of Sweden, as well as the main part of 
Denmark with it's Capital Copenhagen. My small appartement has an advantage: it's too 
small to get lost in, and to cheap to ruin me. On the contrary. It gives me money left 
for other things. I live on the 5:th floor but my wiew is, 2.5 floors down, the roof 
of an old cinema (not very beatiful, but you can't get everything). On the other hand: 
it's very calm here as the sound of the city traffic is kept out. A good place that 
leave me time to think.

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