Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS - Prototype or demo?

2010-10-28 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-28 18:07, Erich Christian a écrit : Hi Ben, @ll, Am 28.10.2010 17:46, schrieb Benjamin Horst: On Oct 27, 2010, at 1:27 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-10-27 01:02, Carlos Jenkins a écrit : Thanks for the offer to help Carlos. Thank you for including me Marc. I'm eager to work with

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS - Prototype or demo?

2010-10-26 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi Marc, Von: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com BTW ... it wouldn't surprise me if the SC were to decide tomorrow during their meeting. Yes, it's on the agenda. Unless they have the same problem as Christian who would like to see a working model more than what is on the Drupal site now, we

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-23 Thread Rimas Kudelis
2010.10.23 03:26, Christian Lohmaier rašė: Hi Marc, *, On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-10-22 17:09, Bernhard Dippold a écrit : elieve Drupal offers everything listed above and on the wiki Please try - I didn't find the button to add a link either.

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-23 Thread jonathon
On 10/23/2010 12:14 AM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: So please: Don't just make claims, explain them. Point to an existing Silverstripe site that: * has content in at least fifty different languages; * Each language covers at least ten different areas; * Each area has a minimum of 50 pages;

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-23 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Rimas, On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Rimas Kudelis r...@akl.lt wrote: 2010.10.23 03:26, Christian Lohmaier rašė: [...] And when the target-page's name is change, the links are not updated, but just happen to work because of the redirect/duplication that is added. Hi folks, Two

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-23 Thread Christian Lohmaier
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 12:41 PM, jonathon jonathon.bl...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/23/2010 12:14 AM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: So please: Don't just make claims, explain them. Point to an existing Silverstripe site that: You you just think it won't scale, but didn't see any indication for that

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-22 Thread André Schnabel
Him Marc, just a short notice ... Am 22.10.2010 04:25, schrieb Marc Paré: It is Thursday night here in Canada and I am trying to complete the report on the Wiki for our presumed Friday deadline. Note that I have tried as best as possible to remain neutral in all of the arguments. it is

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-22 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Marc, *, On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 4:25 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-10-18 04:37, Andre Schnabel a écrit : I have updated the Wiki and tried to be as impartial as possible. For the lack of time, with answering as many posting on the Website mailist, the Drupal team could

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-22 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Benjamin, On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: On Oct 21, 2010, at 7:03 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: [...] If the Drupal demo allows all this *now*, I'd ask Christian to have one more look at the demo. Yes, I believe Drupal offers everything listed above

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-22 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-22 02:57, David Nelson a écrit : Hi Marc, :-) On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 00:21, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote: I'll add you to the list. Is there a preference of CMS? No, I'll go with whatever CMS the project decides to use. David Nelson Thanks David. Marc -- E-mail to

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-22 Thread André Schnabel
Hi, Am 22.10.2010 15:56, schrieb Marc Paré: I am in total agreement with these statements. The process was somehow not well organized. Still, we managed to discuss it. We need to organise these kind of thing a little formally as well as strategically next time. This will ensure better

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-22 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-22 12:29, André Schnabel a écrit : Hi, Am 22.10.2010 15:56, schrieb Marc Paré: I am in total agreement with these statements. The process was somehow not well organized. Still, we managed to discuss it. We need to organise these kind of thing a little formally as well as

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-22 Thread Andy Brown
On Fri Oct 22 2010 17:14:23 GMT-0700 (PDT) Christian Lohmaier wrote: What on earth, by looking at the demo site (on http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780) makes you think that it wouldn't scale? And if the site of the democratic convention is not a site that had a need for scalability, of the one from

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-22 Thread Andy Brown
On Fri Oct 22 2010 17:29:09 GMT-0700 (PDT) Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi Andy, On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 2:23 AM, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: How does one go about testing the demo listing above? All I see is a copy of the TDF web pages. There is no login that I can see. See

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-22 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-22 20:43, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : Hi Marc, On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 2:37 AM, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-10-22 20:29, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 2:23 AM, Andy Browna...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: How does one go about testing the

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-22 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Marc, *, On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 2:53 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Ok, I am more of a user than a dev, as you have probably seen from my posts. To get to the user demo site, I am on a Mandriva system. How would I then access your demo site. I don't quite understand why the test

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-22 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Marc, On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-10-22 21:03, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : [...] I am just a little confused. I thought I had been on your demo site a while ago and now it is no longer accessible from the member list unless they go through

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-22 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-22 21:44, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : I was wondering if this was a common method of operating with demos, as most of the membership could not in fact test-try your demo for comparison's sake. On the other hand, maybe you removed the site from an easier access venue to this type of

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-21 Thread Erich Christian
Am 21.10.2010 03:27, schrieb Marc Paré: Le 2010-10-20 17:59, Drew Jensen a écrit : This heavey emphasis on allowing rather unskilled people to produce widely varying web sites, and they really can be, both in appearance and User Interaction patterns is something that _will_ be neeeded, not

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-21 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Keith, On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 5:36 AM, Keith Williams kwilli...@thoughtfarmproductions.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com lohmaier%2booofut...@googlemail.comwrote: Look Christian, I don't use email to communicate with groups

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-21 Thread Drew Jensen
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 10:07 -0400, Drew Jensen should of written: Thanks to google I ran into the SC minutes where they said for the website mail _list_ to make a decision and report back to them. It called for that decision to be made 2 days ago. -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-21 Thread Drew Jensen
For accuracy sake On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 10:07 -0400, Drew Jensen should of written: Thanks to google I ran into the SC minutes where they said for the website mail _list_ to make a decision and report back to them. It[1] called for that decision to be made by today. [not 2 days ago] :-/

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-21 Thread Karl-Heinz Gödderz
Andrea Pescetti schrieb: Sophie Gautier wrote: Just to point that we need to handle i18n and l10n easily also, this is important to think this multilanguage way till the beginning. Then I'll have to ask again what you mean by this! 1) Having translatable pages (meaning: an English

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-21 Thread Drew Jensen
What do you think? As bad as it can be, the Document Foundation is still an oligarchy. Let the SC choose. Then if people believe a simple majority vote is best we can go that way, but I'm not sure times are ready for this. Regards, Andrea. Fair enough - anyone see it differently

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-21 Thread Benjamin Horst
On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Drew Jensen wrote: What do you think? As bad as it can be, the Document Foundation is still an oligarchy. Let the SC choose. Then if people believe a simple majority vote is best we can go that way, but I'm not sure times are ready for this. Regards,

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-21 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-21 00:39, David Nelson a écrit : Hi, :-) On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 05:26, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote: Thanks. We are probably at the point again where we should have a show of hands for people who are willing to help out with website support. I'll make a note of it on the

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-21 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-21 10:25, Drew Jensen a écrit : For accuracy sake On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 10:07 -0400, Drew Jensen should of written: Thanks to google I ran into the SC minutes where they said for the website mail _list_ to make a decision and report back to them. It[1] called for that decision to

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-21 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-21 00:39, David Nelson a écrit : Hi, :-) On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 05:26, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote: Thanks. We are probably at the point again where we should have a show of hands for people who are willing to help out with website support. I'll make a note of it on the

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-21 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-21 12:51, Marc Paré a écrit : Having said that, the Wiki page should the give the SC some kink of idea of what the Website members favour. Whether the SC adopt Drupal or Silverstripe is really not of our concern. We were just given the task of investigating the possibilities and the

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-21 Thread Gustav H Meyer
Hi, My first posting here. On 21/10/2010 19:03, Marc Paré wrote: Having said that, the Wiki page should the give the SC some kink of idea of what the Website members favour. Whether the SC adopt Drupal or Silverstripe is really not of our concern. We were just given the task of investigating

Re: Decision about CMS - a different perspective ( was Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS)

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-19 23:05, Benjamin Horst a écrit : Florian, On Oct 19, 2010, at 4:58 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi folks, just to jump in: Yesterday night, the new server (which will be used for CMS) has been ordered. Should be available today, and I hope to have finished a basic

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 00:13, Benjamin Horst a écrit : Hi Graham, On Oct 19, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Graham Lauder wrote: On Wednesday 20 Oct 2010 02:16:38 Benjamin Horst wrote: On Oct 19, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Graham Lauder wrote: On Tuesday 19 Oct 2010 12:39:56 Keith Williams wrote: Yes, I respect

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-19 23:50, Benjamin Horst a écrit : On Oct 19, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-10-18 04:37, Andre Schnabel a écrit : Hi, I see that there are lots of discussion, which CMS to use, what features are needed ... at the other hand, users and language teams need more info at

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
I have re-read all of the posts and thus far: * the search for a CMS has been narrowed down to two packages, Silverstripe (http://www.silverstripe.com/) and Drupal (http://www.drupal.org) * demo websites were created: **Silverstripes: http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/ -- advocated by

Re: Decision about CMS - a different perspective ( was Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS)

2010-10-20 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi Ben, Benjamin Horst wrote on 2010-10-20 05.05: Glad to hear the server will be available soon (or perhaps is already available). Are you planning to install one or both of the CMS options tomorrow (Wednesday)? the machine isn't there yet, and I will be out my home the rest of the week.

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 00:17, Benjamin Horst a écrit : But I'm surely not the only one who will make that decision. Again to stress it: It is the content editors/native-lang people basically who'll work with it, so it needs to be easy to use for/them/, not nice for the admin. If both is

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Marc Paré wrote: I have re-read all of the posts and thus far: ... Have I missed any? Please add points to this list that have come to a resolution of debate among the contributors of this thread. I have re-read all of them too, not only your summary, and I still see we have strategic

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 07:26, Andrea Pescetti a écrit : Marc Paré wrote: I have re-read all of the posts and thus far: ... Have I missed any? Please add points to this list that have come to a resolution of debate among the contributors of this thread. I have re-read all of them too, not only your

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Sophie Gautier
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Andre Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net wrote: Hi, Yes, you have strong arguments for taking more time to consider the use of appropriate CMS. However, it sounds like the SC would like to have the decision made by Friday and I expect that the SC has had some

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Benjamin Horst
Hi André, On Oct 20, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Andre Schnabel wrote: 1st) we need something to present information to our users and can be setup in rather short time, does not cost to much time regarding maintenance and provides an rather easy way to edit content. People are currently asking for

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Keith Williams
I just want to reiterate the points made above are basically what I've been trying to explain. Silverstripe is really a dead end, it isn't even the same class as Drupal and the only way you would know that is to spend some time with it Drupal, or to have a live demo done by an experienced user.

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Keith Williams
Oh, I also think that integrating LibO software (open office) with Drupal will be the equivalent of the sharepoint/ms office integration that a lot of companies like. Gaining experience with Drupal could prove to be a strategic advantage / market builder for this project. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 04:43, Marc Paré a écrit : I have re-read all of the posts and thus far: * the search for a CMS has been narrowed down to two packages, Silverstripe (http://www.silverstripe.com/) and Drupal (http://www.drupal.org) * demo websites were created: **Silverstripes:

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 10:38, Keith Williams a écrit : I just want to reiterate the points made above are basically what I've been trying to explain. Silverstripe is really a dead end, it isn't even the same class as Drupal and the only way you would know that is to spend some time with it Drupal, or to

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 10:14, Andre Schnabel a écrit : 1st) we need something to present information to our users and can be setup in rather short time, does not cost to much time regarding maintenance and provides an rather easy way to edit content. People are currently asking for better structure and

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Benjamin Horst
Marc, Thanks for stepping in here and helping us organize this last bit of work. Your taking on the role of an impartial organizer is vital. On Oct 20, 2010, at 4:10 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Does anyone else have any specs to add to the list. Today (Wednesday) is most likely the last day that

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 10:40, Keith Williams a écrit : Oh, I also think that integrating LibO software (open office) with Drupal will be the equivalent of the sharepoint/ms office integration that a lot of companies like. Gaining experience with Drupal could prove to be a strategic advantage / market

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Sophie Gautier wrote: Just to point that we need to handle i18n and l10n easily also, this is important to think this multilanguage way till the beginning. Then I'll have to ask again what you mean by this! 1) Having translatable pages (meaning: an English about page at

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 11:00, Benjamin Horst a écrit : Marc, Thanks for stepping in here and helping us organize this last bit of work. Your taking on the role of an impartial organizer is vital. Thanks, no problem, I just happen to have the time to work on this. I am just recovering from 2 spinal

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Keith Williams
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-10-20 10:40, Keith Williams a écrit : Oh, I also think that integrating LibO software (open office) with Drupal will be the equivalent of the sharepoint/ms office integration that a lot of companies like.

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Benjamin, *, On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: On Oct 18, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: Those who

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Andrea, *, On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@openoffice.org wrote: Marc Paré wrote: A proper discussion would not fit the deadlines and tools the Document Foundation has now: if a decision has to be taken now, it will miss the bigger scope. If the Document

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 11:52, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : Hi Benjamin, *, On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Benjamin Horstbho...@mac.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Benjamin Horstbho...@mac.com wrote: On Oct 18, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 5:13

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 11:50, Keith Williams a écrit : On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-10-20 10:40, Keith Williams a écrit : Oh, I also think that integrating LibO software (open office) with Drupal will be the equivalent of the sharepoint/ms office

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Keith Williams
This is an example of a structured document: http://www.mywebclass.org/~bhorst/content/example_book/structured_document Drupal uses books for structured documents. You can download them with index, import / expor them, print with PDF. One nice thing about Drupal is content types. Content types

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 14:27, Keith Williams a écrit : This is an example of a structured document: http://www.mywebclass.org/~bhorst/content/example_book/structured_document Drupal uses books for structured documents. You can download them with index, import / expor them, print with PDF. One nice

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Keith Williams
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-10-20 13:31, Marc Paré a écrit : Le 2010-10-20 11:52, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : Hi Benjamin, *, On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Benjamin Horstbho...@mac.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Benjamin

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi all, sorry because i jump in the thread here, but i hadvenot the time to read every of the - felt - two thausend posts about this topic on the list. I think, we are lost in a nice discussion about features and posibilities of CMS. That should in my opinion not the focus of our

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Keith Williams
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Andreas Mantke ma...@gmx.de wrote: Hi all, sorry because i jump in the thread here, but i hadvenot the time to read every of the - felt - two thausend posts about this topic on the list. I think, we are lost in a nice discussion about features and

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 16:38, Marc Paré a écrit : Le 2010-10-20 16:13, Keith Williams a écrit : One other nice feature that Drupal has is that it is easy to admin multiple sites. One Drupal host can be the source for X number of other sites. Sites can share database tables, users, etc... So... Lets

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Keith Williams
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-10-20 16:38, Marc Paré a écrit : Le 2010-10-20 16:13, Keith Williams a écrit : One other nice feature that Drupal has is that it is easy to admin multiple sites. One Drupal host can be the source for X number of

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Benjamin Horst
I will do the dirty work of Drupal. I'd donate the resources of my business to help. I have a couple developers and assistance. I would just like some credit for doing the work. If you guys choose drupal and want advice, training, or minor amounts of help then I'll just do that no strings

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Marc, On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2010-10-20 11:52, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Benjamin Horstbho...@mac.com  wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Benjamin Horstbho...@mac.com  wrote: On Oct 18, 2010, at 5:19

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Christian Lohmaier
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Keith Williams kwilli...@thoughtfarmproductions.com wrote: This is an example of a structured document: http://www.mywebclass.org/~bhorst/content/example_book/structured_document Drupal uses books for structured documents. You can download them with index,

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Benjamin Horst
Marc, On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:21 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Thanks, no problem, I just happen to have the time to work on this. I am just recovering from 2 spinal surgeries and having to re-learn walking and other things ... nasty stuff spinal injuries. Also, the only comfortable position for me

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Marc Paré wrote: So, there are 2 things to consider: 1. Does the SC wish #1 [AP: translatable pages] or the #2 [AP: subsites] option? 2. Can either Silverstripe and Drupal support either of these scenarios. Opinions on #2 is the one that is really important for this thread. Could the

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 01:19 +0200, Andrea Pescetti wrote: However, the (SC's or whoever rules here) ? another good question It seems to me the first question of what the voting membership of the TDF, as currently envisioned on the wiki Membership page would be voting on. Is this the type

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
Sorry, rephrase one thought - On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 19:50 -0400, Drew Jensen meant to write: Reading the discussions on the membership question it seems like most of us are either 100% in agreement,or very close to agreement on the parts that count..so would we form a, temporary even, rooster

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 19:19, Andrea Pescetti a écrit : Marc Paré wrote: So, there are 2 things to consider: 1. Does the SC wish #1 [AP: translatable pages] or the #2 [AP: subsites] option? 2. Can either Silverstripe and Drupal support either of these scenarios. Opinions on #2 is the one that is really

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Keith Williams
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com lohmaier%2booofut...@googlemail.comwrote: Hi Benjamin, *, On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: On

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-20 17:43, Benjamin Horst a écrit : This makes sense. I have just proposed this with Andre as well as the fact that there is probably a person on this discussion thread who would be willing to update the Wiki for public viewing. Marc As suggested somewhere, I've created a table on

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread Drew Jensen
Also, you speak of the German mailist are also talking of this subject. Is there any way that we could hear what they are saying? ? Hear - yes, but first you can read the lists at: http://oucv.org/tdf.html Go to the German mailing lists - Nabble is a bitch because you can not run it

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-20 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-) On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 05:26, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Thanks. We are probably at the point again where we should have a show of hands for people who are willing to help out with website support. I'll make a note of it on the update progress file that I am keeping. Anyone

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Keith, *, 2010/10/19 Keith Williams kwilli...@thoughtfarmproductions.com: [...] snipped points that have been discussed already. Christian: You're looking at it from a users point of view Thats not  reasonable, you can make Drupal and I'm sure silverstripe look like anything. OF

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Keith Williams
Ok. You win, go with Silverstripe, it appears that you already have made that decision and I don't have the time to devote to this discussion, since I will not be working with Silverstripe. I really did look into Silverstripe and the reason you find it clear is that it doesn't do much and I

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Benjamin Horst
Keith, This discussion should not become an endurance challenge, where whoever holds out the longest wins. That's no way to make a good technical decision. On Oct 19, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Keith Williams wrote: Ok. You win, go with Silverstripe, it appears that you already have made that

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Benjamin Horst
Please keep the site up! No decision has been made yet and I'd like to work with it more. -Ben On Oct 19, 2010, at 9:27 AM, Keith Williams wrote: I'll be taking site down by the end of the day. We grow beautiful ideas On Oct 19, 2010, at 9:21 AM, Christian Lohmaier

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Benjamin, On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: On Oct 18, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Christian Lohmaier wrote: On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: We're working on this, but again, it's not a one-person decision here. Yes, it's

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Keith Williams
LOL this whole process is silly to me... I'm being argued with by some guys based on forum posts and a demo on CMSreport LOL. I'm volunteering to design a beautiful site that integrates groups, wiki, CMS, and would basically make your project very attractive for people to participate in because

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Keith Williams
I'll keep it up, you seem like a nice guy. I think the decision has been made by CMSreport and forum posts. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: Please keep the site up! No decision has been made yet and I'd like to work with it more. -Ben On Oct 19, 2010,

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Stanislas Garret
Hi Keith, Let's the site up at least one day more. Ok the Wiki editor is a weak point but, I think it could be improved by module. The node notion should be learned to modify content (admin mode), but all CMS should be .. My preference is still Drupal @ the moment Stan Le 19/10/2010 15:27,

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Keith Williams
http://www.mywebclass.org/~bhorst testuser/testuser$1234 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Keith Williams kwilli...@thoughtfarmproductions.com wrote: I updated the Drupal demo with a WYSIWYG editor and you can now create pages. Go to create content on left nav menu and pick what you want to

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Benjamin Horst
Thank you, Keith. I will keep trying to find the time to set up a demo for Christian et al, but it's very difficult for me to carve out any time right now myself. I have uploaded some draft wireframes to the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Evaluation_of_CMS_Platforms

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Keith Williams
Oh, In regards to wordpress. WOrdpress is a good system and is easy to use for a CMS / Blog. Its good for projects that don't need a lot of custom data driven pages or publishing workflows that extend beyond a single person. In general, Wordpress is a solid system and nice because it doesn't

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Marc, *, On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Where can I find the Silverstripe demo? The demo is at http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/ - also the following subsites: http://sandbox.pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/ (public playground)

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Keith, On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Keith Williams kwilli...@thoughtfarmproductions.com wrote: I basically built the demo to show a couple features like groups, polls, etc... I don't know how many times I wrote it already: No matter what it could do, at least it must meet the basic

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Drew Jensen
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 17:30 +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote: We're talking about setting up a cms for website maintainence, not for a site that hosts news bits or blogs or other bite-sized whatnot. A structured website, similar to what www.openoffice.org is now. By similar to oo.o you

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-19 10:41, Marc Paré a écrit : Christian, Where can I find the Silverstripe demo? Marc Sorry, me again. Where can I find on the TDF the requirement from the SC for CMS choice. Marc -- E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-19 11:18, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : Hi Marc, *, On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Marc Parém...@marcpare.com wrote: Where can I find the Silverstripe demo? The demo is at http://pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/ - also the following subsites: http://sandbox.pumbaa.ooodev.org:7780/

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-19 11:06, Keith Williams a écrit : Oh, In regards to wordpress. WOrdpress is a good system and is easy to use for a CMS / Blog. Its good for projects that don't need a lot of custom data driven pages or publishing workflows that extend beyond a single person. In general, Wordpress

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Marc, *; On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: [...] Where can I find on the TDF the requirement from the SC for CMS choice. The SC itself didn't create a list of requirements themselves, but refer to

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi Marc, 2010/10/19 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com: Christian, Where can I find the Silverstripe demo? I found the following information in the DE-part of the wiki: Hinweise zur Benutzung von Silverstripe tips for the usage of silverstripe: 188.40.32.145 de.pumbaa.ooodev.org zur

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-19 12:56, Sigrid Carrera a écrit : Hi Marc, 2010/10/19 Marc Parém...@marcpare.com: Christian, Where can I find the Silverstripe demo? I found the following information in the DE-part of the wiki: Hinweise zur Benutzung von Silverstripe tips for the usage of silverstripe:

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Drew Jensen
Sorry - in that last email I am speaking of course of interfacing with a Versio Contol System and a cvs... Otherwise - anyone want a page with a table on the wiki with these things and let folks fill in how one CMS handles that one point (requirement). More then just a yes / no - let the two

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Drew, *; On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com wrote: Quick of the top of my head thoughts, written in line as I read. [...] * Create static pages [...] - Should the CMS have the ability to interface with a cvs system, used to maintain these static pages -

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-19 14:32, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : To clarify what /I/ meant with the requirement: A user-friendly editor *is* important. A site that forces users to insert the complete html manually will be no improvement compared to the OOo website at all. However I also noted that (in my

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Drew Jensen
* User-Firendly URLs [...] - Yeah OK - details for any good implementor to be given as part of the task, I don't agree with all the arguments there but I understand them and believe just about any system can be set for that - is it worth the added load on the systems, and

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-19 14:32, Christian Lohmaier a écrit : So, seeing that we have been put on a deadline for the pick of a CMS (and if it hasn't been picked by the community, the SC will pick it for us), is there any way that you and Drew, if you are agreeable to this, to draw up a spec sheet that

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Keith Williams
The other specs are very basic but lead to something like Silverstripe. Drupal of course does them But it can do a lot more. If the project just wants a top down cms and no users beyond some admins then that is not that interesting to me. I also think it's a rather limited view of what you can

Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

2010-10-19 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-19 16:16, Keith Williams a écrit : http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Evaluation_of_CMS_Platforms Is the above spec the actual spec you're trying to meet?? It actually says Drupal groups and Drupal has integration with SVN/GIT/CVS so you can see bugs issues and patches on

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