[libreoffice-website] Re: Crashtest VM Host
Hi Alex, On Wed, 2015-01-07 at 12:23 +0100, Alexander Werner wrote: the crashtest VM host has arrived. Great news. At the moment the setup is delayed as we ran into a problem with glusterfs: ... This shows up during manual gluster setup as well as automatic setup by oVirt. I will try to handle this by the end of next week, if that is not successful I will fallback to local storage which has some disadvantages as the host is then not able to increase the HA of the overall platform. JFYI - all of the work we do inside the main VM is throw-away work - we only are interested in the output of it. Worse - there are tens of GB of it generated all the time - so mirroring that across a cluster sounds like it would bring only pain aggravation =) Is there some way we can have the basic VM / OS image on a HA / mirrored image - but ensure that the scratch data we build, and throw away repeatedly in really huge bulk doesn't end up just screwing up the cluster performance ;-) ie. for now local storage sounds just fine to me ;-) Thanks ! Michael. -- michael.me...@collabora.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] Re: Crashtest VM Host
On Fri, 2015-01-09 at 18:51 +0100, Alexander Werner wrote: for the crashtesting itself nothing else than local storage was ever considered. But i want to add the host to the same cluster to have 3 hosts in the cluster, so that we can enable server-quorum with gluster to avoid split-brain situations. Fair enough. So: Store Crashtest VMs in local storage, but also increase the stability of the whole platform. Even VMs with multiple HDDs with some with HA and some without can be built. Great; thanks ! Michael. -- michael.me...@collabora.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] Re: Libreoffice.org: Developer menu heading: add links to dev resources
On Sun, 2013-07-14 at 19:41 +0300, David Nelson wrote: The 2 pages are redirector links, 1 pointing to LibreOffice's git (http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice) and the other pointing to the function documentation (http://docs.libreoffice.org/avmedia.html). I'm missing some context here; the docs.libreoffice.org is built out of our */README files in the core/ module trying to document the source. IIRC there is some complicated markup thing there that I've forgotten, and the README's inevitably don't match that well or look as beautiful as they could (which is a shame) - patches welcome to improve that. HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: website+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] Help-Feedback page ...
Hi guys,
We discussed the lack of this in the ESC call; it would appear to be
easier to get a feedback webpage sorted out:
case SID_SEND_FEEDBACK:
{
::rtl::OUString module = SfxHelp::GetCurrentModuleIdentifier();
::rtl::OUString
sURL(http://hub.libreoffice.org/send-feedback/?LOversion=; +
utl::ConfigManager::getAboutBoxProductVersion() +
LOlocale= + utl::ConfigManager::getLocale() + LOmodule= +
module.copy(module.lastIndexOf(.) + 1 ) );
Clearly this currently re-directs to the bug filing assistant; but of
course this is not strictly the only meaning of feedback.
I guess it would be nice to have an intermediate page that provided a
'+' and '-' button to reflect positive vs. negative feedback (that we
could simply log per component version); provide a list of ways to get
involved with the project, and also a prominent re-direction to bugzilla
[ that preserved / tunneled through the version etc. (?).
At least, changing the translation for 100 languages for 'Feedback' to
file-bug seems like rather a chunk of work here - and it'd be nicer to
have that ;-) so the ESC punted this to the website team - hope that's
ok.
ATB,
Michael.
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[libreoffice-website] conference page ...
Hi guys, Just trying to plan dates / travel budgets etc. for the LibreOffice conference and I notice: http://conference.libreoffice.org/ Is a 404. Any chance of getting a page up there with what was in the proposal: September 24 - 27 2013, Milan Italy ... Just a flat page with that as a placeholder would be lovely initially if only to help people like me ;-) Thanks ! Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Improving the usage of help.libreoffice.org site
Hi Zeki, On Sat, 2013-02-16 at 02:26 +0200, Zeki Bildirici wrote: Previously i said that we should change people's habits to get help, and all stuff we had discussed are hypothetical base which we stand on. ... User surveys are best for in this conditions to get to know the users behavior. IMHO there is one user-survey which the user fills in for us when they are unable to work out what to do - and that is the 'search' entry in the wiki-help. And of course the help pages that they look at. I would -love- to have that data made available: a simple list of keywords and their frequency entered into that search box sorted by relevance would provide a very cheap easy method for working out what is going on ;-) Is that something the website / infrastructure guys could provide for us ? :-) Thanks ! Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Credits
On Mon, 2013-02-18 at 09:05 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: Sebastian Spaeth wrote on 2013-02-13 14:37: I have sent an email to Michael Meeks before, but I guess it went under during the release activities. I told him that I don't really have the capacity to keep the stats up to date Yes - sorry for not getting on top of that myself or forwarding it :-) I'm aware of the following issues that I'd love to see fixed: * Credits page as of now doesn't split out the artwork commits anymore - which is a shame (why not ?) * Credits page doesn't include commits to the LibreOffice code-base from before we launched - it's sad to loose that history - I believe that was just turned off could be re-enabled: perhaps it belongs right at the bottom (?) Otherwise it looks nice to me :-) Thanks to those who got it updating; I believe we ship a snapshot / ODF document of the credits with each release; it'd be nice to check that that's up-to-date for 4.0.1 as/when we've got it updated. HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Improving the usage of help.libreoffice.org site
On Wed, 2013-02-13 at 18:34 -0500, Robinson Tryon wrote: Does the help wiki need to be LGPLv3 because of the way it's combined with the binaries we ship, or is the license merely a vestige of its origins? The license is an important consequence of it's origins. As we push the 4.0 help, I would expect that to be MPLv2 licensed - but that is something we don't have freedom to arbitrarily change. Otherwise - there are some great ideas in this thread - thanks Zeki for bringing them up; pushed some of it to the ESC agenda for today to track :-) Hope that helps :-) ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: LibreOffice.org new homepage concept
On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 13:21 -0500, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: You can download the archive ( https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibO4_proto1.zip ) and open the index.html file (please note that many elements are just place holders at the moment -details in aforementioned email). ... Interesting page style. It may not work for LO, but it could be good for the start of a Marketing Portal. A marketing portal? We're trying to release the 4.0 and that would be the temporary homepage :-) ... As I said, it looks interesting, but it would not work as a replacement for the workhorse pages that LO's current page system is. Is there any update on this / a new version ? the .zip looks interesting - but but it's clearly a prototype. Are we proposing a temporary wrapper around our front-page just for the release ? or more ... Thanks ! Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: LibreOffice.org new homepage concept
Hi Issa, On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 17:43 +0100, Camille Moulin wrote: We have proposed a first prototype for the pages dedicated to the launch fo the 4.0 : there are still points left to solve (cf. my email 27/01/2013 18:53) and feedback is of course most welcome Great. [...]If there is a wider plan then clearly broader project visibility into that would be good; preferably including something we can just browse to and see / interact with :-) [click here to see the new website mockup].* You can download the archive ( https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibO4_proto1.zip ) and open the index.html file (please note that many elements are just place holders at the moment -details in aforementioned email). Is there any chance you can up-load this to the staging site so people can see what is there somehow easily ? I still simply cannot face asking people to download a zip file, and fiddle around inside it when it's a web site ;-) A small investment of time there would make a -massive- difference to people's ability to browse / check-out the suggested changes ? :-) Thanks ! Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: LibreOffice.org new homepage concept
Hi Charles, On Wed, 2013-01-30 at 10:35 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: We are not picking this proposal for the release.. Weare alreadyworking on a different proposal for the 4.0 and I would ask everyone to stop sending proposals we never asked for. Sorry pardon; Issa is someone with the skills and time to do something useful here - he's a friendly guy and I'm sure he's happy to work with other people on delivering a shared vision: I assume that is possible - if so, how ? Habe you decided to make this release unmanageable marks wise? I was unaware that anything was actually going on elsewhere, and (to my mind) any kind of incremental improvement to what we have would be welcome after months of stasis. If there is a wider plan then clearly broader project visibility into that would be good; preferably including something we can just browse to and see / interact with :-) [click here to see the new website mockup]. Sorry if there is some unwitting overlap of work here, ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-design] Send Feedback Option
Hi guys, On Thu, 2012-11-29 at 19:53 +0100, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: I like it! And I have some proposals for additions. Hah :-) so - JFYI - when people click on send-feedback, we now have more details about their systems: the exact version of the software they're running, the platform, the component (writer, base etc.) and more. That would need propagating to file a bug of course; but we could use it with some nice database to correlate results by component. But - yes; this is rather cool :-) I wonder - Mozilla have done a lot of this work before us - can we re-use their backend infrastructure and share development work on that ? it'd suck to re-invent all their data analytics / query processing etc. ? Of course, actually swallowing and meaningfully analysing text behind things like: http://input.mozilla.org/en-US/feedback is prolly beyond us ATM, but ... perhaps worth collecting if someone will do real analytics on it. ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Does wiki want to come out and play?
On Sat, 2012-10-06 at 11:03 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: http://wikitest.documentfoundation.org/Development/Developers Hm - this seems to work for me now? Can you confirm? Looks lovely to me now; thanks :-) Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] Re: Does wiki want to come out and play?
Hi Florian,
On Fri, 2012-10-05 at 12:42 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote:
I spent the last week with setting up our new wiki. I've copied all
articles, users and most configuration settings, and enhanced them,
based on the recent MediaWiki version.
Nice work ! :-)
Please check your favorite page if it renders allright, please check
if all the functions work, and if any of the newly-introduced
limitations
Favourite - I'm really not sure; but I use this page intensely:
http://wikitest.documentfoundation.org/Development/Developers
In particular the {{nospam|foo|gmail|com}} obfuscation.
Did that change somehow ?
Thanks :-)
Michael.
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[libreoffice-website] 3.3 features page ...
Hi guys, I was wondering what happened to the 3.3. new features page, since that contained really quite a bulk of goodness that we merged on launch, and I couldn't see it when someone asked me what the comparison to OO.o was. All the best, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] LibreOffice 3.4 release notes link ...
Hi guys, The link at: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ For the 3.4 release notes shows up the 3.3 release notes ;-) That confused a friend of mine, HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] 'Register for LibreOffice conference' banner image ...
Hi guys, Any chance we can loose that from our front-page ? :-) Thanks, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] Re: planet / hackergotchis ...
Hi guys, I was wondering looking at: http://planet.documentfoundation.org/ cf. http://planet.gnome.org/ Why we don't use hackergotchis - these are IMHO a great way to help people learn other people's faces before they meet them in person, which reduces the cognitive load at conferences, and helps increase the focus on learning entirely new people's faces there :-) Was it a deliberate to turn that off ? and/or can we have it on again ? Thanks, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Proposal: Changing Easy Hacks page to transclusion
On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 16:47 +0700, Korrawit Pruegsanusak wrote: Done! The change links are below: Looks fine, I learned something new (about transclusion) today - perhaps this is a great way to have separate pages for different categories of easy-hacks, as well as a single big flat list (?). Having said that - the easy hacks page (to me) -still- seems much lamer than it did originally; I am highly under convinced that we have done anything much to improve it (vs. a big, search-able flat list) since the tampering started. Then again, the migration is still not finished (right) ? the leg-work of filing the tasks in bugzilla is still incomplete: do you plan to complete that change Bjoern ? I am deeply tempted to just invest the hour required to convert this back to a single big, flat, searchable, rich wiki page; I'll push that to the next TSC agenda I guess. ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: LibreOffice 3.4 images/photos
Hi Marc, First thanks for your great work on this, the wiki page is looking much nicer more usable - encouraging :-) and we have a week to go, a great improvement over the 3.3 release. On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 19:40 +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote: BTW ... I haven't created a webpage on Silverstripe, I am assuming though that if we create the LibreOffice 3.4 page that we can work on it without making it public? Actually, as long as it is not easily findable from the main-page, I don't think it should be a problem this cycle; our list of new features in the wiki is already public. Yes - only when you publish it it will be made public. Before that, only users that can login and work on the main site can view the draft. We're releasing mid-next-week, so it'd be great to checkout what material we have wrt. new features, how it looks / is organised etc. I guess [and/or to be able to help out at the last minute next week as we go live]. The l10n list would also prolly want to translate it for their announcements too (I assume) ? Can you share a link ? Thanks, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] Re: [Libreoffice] Reducing the number of localized help packs
On Sat, 2011-04-30 at 12:30 +0200, Andras Timar wrote: OK, sorry, this happened fast. There is one more change that was not noticed by the website team (or was not communicated to them). There is no _all installer any more for Windows. _multi contains all languages. Lovely - hopefully that will reduce the complexity a little. Nice, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] broken links on new features page ...
Hi Christian, On Fri, 2011-04-01 at 23:37 +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote: And I didn't believe that peopler were using it as filestorage for unrelated stuff... Silverstripe seemed incapable of hosting these files, as/when I up-loaded them, an hour or two before we went live for our first release. In the rush of the moment (I was still polishing the page after release), I guess I forgot to mention that (apparently) our Silverstripe doesn't let people up-load arbitrary file-types, but only a tiny pre-defined selection of types, which inevitably doesn't include the types interesting for new file filters we've written. I'm sorry I forgot to report this precise issue - being possible to work around with some ease, it was the least of the debilitating delays and frustrations I had :-) /me is a little strikepissed/strike annoyed. Again the complaining about the tooling without mentioning the problems to the people who could easily fix the problems. Ah - I wasn't complaining about the tooling in this instance, but about the page being broken :-) That the end-result is that it turns into a remembered gripe about the tooling, that I didn't bother you with initially, is no surprise I suppose. Ultimately, I havn't looked at it much since I finished work on that page. As to files, those are served directly by apache, so when there is a problem with mimetype, let apache know it, no problem, you just need to mention the problems. Well - I have no idea; last I looked apache could cope with such files just fine when the files are served by the web server directly, from a file-system directory ;-) But using the silverstripe Files Images tab, selecting a wpd file, and trying to up-load it (still) gives me this wonder-dialog: Extension is not allowed (valid: , html, htm, xhtml, js, css, bmp, png, gif, jpg, jpeg, ico, pcx, tif, tiff, au, mid, midi, mpa, mp3, ogg, m4a, ra, wma, wav, cda, avi, mpg, mpeg, asf, wmv, m4v, mov, mkv, mp4, swf, flv, ram, rm, doc, docx, txt, rtf, xls, xlsx, pages, ppt, pptx, pps, csv, cab, arj, tar, zip, zipx, sit, sitx, gz, tgz, bz2, ace, arc, pkg, dmg, hqx, jar, xml, pdf, odt, ott, ods, ots, odp, otp, odb, odm, odg, otg, odc, odi, odf, odi, oxt) So - apparently it is still busted :-) and based not on file-type, or allowing the user to specify such a thing but on extension [ a very crude heuristic ]. Of course, perhaps there is some really up-load dialog somewhere that I am missing - most likely user-error - you know me. Same for allowing additional filetypes. If something doesn't work state so. As above I guess. No doubt lots of tools are done like this - with hard-coded lists of file-types that they limit up-loads to :-) but the fact is it didn't work in the small window of time that I had, and I hacked around with it, and I didn't gripe at you. Of course, I can host the test files on a.n.other server that works, eg. the gnome or freedesktop servers in my user account or something if it is too hard to get this done. I can also complain a lot more, and in far greater detail - with screencasts next time I use silverstripe in anger [sic.] :-) but ... I'm not sure that'd be appreciated or constructive though. IMHO the test files are really useful, they allow journalists to do their research quickly, and I've had them mentioned to me in a couple of interviews and appreciated. The original files are still in git for anyone wanting to repair it. It is a shame (if it is such a simple problem to fix), that the page is still busted. Regards, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] broken links on new features page ...
Hi guys, All the sample documents in the http://www.libreoffice.org/download/new-features-and-fixes/ header are broken eg. http://www.documentfoundation.org/samples/Chrisdesign_Future_car.svg I get a beautiful broken document page for each loaded in LibreOffice but ... ;-) Any idea what happened there ? AFAIR we linked to those documents on another server since Silverstripe couldn't cope with up-loading exotic document types and getting the mime stuff right. Urk. Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] Re: New libreoffice.org New Features and Fixes layout
Hi Matt, On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 06:03 +, Matt Sturgeon wrote: Which at the present time, is a very basic and over simplified mockup by me: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Features_Fixes_Mockup1.png Looks fine to me; but you're going to have to fight Silverstripe pretty hard (I suspect) to get that thing loaded such that all the information is there, quickly to hand as/when someone visits the 'new features' tab. IMHO the 'easy' option of forcing the user to spend perhaps a minute in 30x one second (best) latencies while clicking on new pages is a non-starter for me. IMHO - it would be worth working out what is possible in linear time with Silverstripe first. The proposed method is basically a filtered slideshow (see mockup), but unlike traditional JavaScript slideshows, it should contain HTML rather than pixels. Personally, of course I'd prefer something that presents a lot of visual richness on the page that gives me a flavour of what changed; rather than 50% of the screen being static navigation fluff of no value ;-) but ... hey ho. HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer
On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 13:54 +0800, David Nelson wrote: Sure. Why don't you start a new thread then and, with your first post, CC to michael.me...@novell.com so that he sees it. I'm sure he'll post back. Sounds good to me; the only problem is the mind-mashed reply-to mangling on this list, that not only encourages people to post more - since they don't get duplicate personal replies to threads ;-) but also means that my CC will inevitably be lost - so in this thread, I only got your (CC'd) mail, not Matt's reply. Hey ho - list mis-configuration is one of those evil nasties I'd love to fix from the Collabnet monster; it helps build community. We have it done 'right' for the dev list at least ;-) ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: new features page ...
Hi guys, So - this thread turned amusing, before I could even get to it. Perhaps one of our problems is a workload, and hence response time mismatch between people. On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 22:55 +0100, Christoph Noack wrote: great suggestion. It seems it pays off to bore you with all this UX related stuff ;-))) So - first; smiley aside - when I read this I feel like my interest in, work on, and experience with UX in the past is being ignored. That is unfortunate, and I am sure not your intention, yet it happens :-) My impression is that UX is really important, too important to leave just to designers ;-) and that educating developers to understand and consider UX in what they do is critical. There are IMHO a vast class of UX problems that are so 'obvious' when considering some simple use-cases such that they can be tackled without external help. I see a vast amount of the UX role as winsomely educating developers, so that they can think for themselves - hopefully (as you say) that will happen over time. Since I've looked at the screenshots on the front page, I'd like to say Separately, I love your praise for what David has done; and I too think it is a huge improvement :-) I put up a small graphic to show how a structure might look like - would be great if Ivan could have a look at that, too. I think a subtle border (gray) would help to overcome screenshot snippets problems. http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/O-PELAb4LD61S9RPTFIW8Q?feat=directlink Ok - it is a nice graphic. Unfortunately, not all our features are graphical in any way. More familiar keybindings eg. ;-) do you think your layout works well for that ? Also - who is going to provide this extra body text (in addition to the short description ?). Don't be scared by the colors :-) of course not. @ Michael: The OOo features page seems a bit messy, since the pictures have different width - there is no harmony. Moreover, the whole page looks like to win the most headers award ;-) Yes - totally agreed; I said I prefered it not because it was good, but because it is better - and that is saying something :-) So here is my initial flat list proposal how the page can be structured: * All Applications -- Major improvements shared by all applications * Writer (Word Processor) * Calc (Spreadsheet) * Impress (Presentation) * Draw (Vector Graphics) * Base (Database) * Math (Formula Editor) * Internationalization * Developer Features and Extensibility * More Improvements Which sounds fine; at least I'm happy with it. All but the last category should only present a few improvements to avoid boring people to death ;-) Pre-prioritizing helps them to quickly decide yes, that's worth to download. Let's say 3 ... 5 items per category like Writer. And, one highlight item (e.g. More familiar keyboard shortcuts) might sum up some individual features (by the way, more familiar to whom ...). *but* here is the problem - we need someone to do this prioritisation work. Thus far, I did some fixing and better ordering of the categories, clearer explanation, and slightly better prioritisation of the data, but it needs more work. Furthermore, it is my conviction that the people doing the work should substantially make the decisions about it; the advice above could be seen as stretching into micro-management - deciding all the 'fun' stuff, and yet leaving all the donkey work to someone else :-) This is *really* not a good place to go. Reading the level of detailed demand here - personally I feel de-motivated to improve the web-site from where it is already :-) I also feel like there is more detail underneath, and that I am going to need to ask advice on any minor change I make myself - in short I feel like I've been demoted to a raw typing machine - if even that :-) I am sure that is not your intention either ! :-) indeed, it is a tragedy if giving good advice in too much volume, via de-motivation results in no improvement at all. So - the points you make are all good - I agree with them; but are perhaps over-detailed; personally I would prefer to see some far less detailed suggestions, presenting the same data - but in a much more free-form way leaving the person doing the work lots of room to do as they choose. Hopefully - that means even less work for you to do on this topic :-) I imagine that carefully writing long and detailed E-mails takes a lot of time; on the other hand - if you're passionate about detail in this piece - personally I'd prefer to see you do the textual re-arrangement yourself - ie. do the whole thing to get it exactly how you like. funOf course, there is a need to include that great new printing dialog [2] - whoever helped to shape that./fun Oh - did we miss some key features ? [ that seems highly probable ], if so what ? again we need the
[libreoffice-website] Re: new features page ...
Hi David, Ivan co. So, first - I think it is worth saying that conflict is normal; -and- it is particularly normal in teams that are just changed / formed. A so-called Forming / Storming / Norming / Performing phase change :-) it would be nice to skip stage two, and three - and jump to stage four - but its not going to happen. So - what do we do ? in stage two we have to bear with each other, not burn bridges, communicate clearly (preferably not by E-mail - which is no way to resolve conflict), and there is some level of learning and teeth gritting by all required. By not burning bridges, I am concerned by this my way or the highway attitude that we all seem to have swallowed; this is not going to help I think - it just escalates the situation. Just FWIW, the SC itself went through this Storming phase itself only a month or so ago, and - well, I think we're well into a Norming / Performing phase now; so it is -absolutely-nothing- to do with egos, characters, especially 'hard to work with' people - it is just totally normal :-) Anyhow, with that under our belts: On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 21:39 +0800, David Nelson wrote: First of all, let's not get mad at each other. ;-) I assume this is some sort of apology ? :-) if so, it could perhaps be lengthier[1] ;-) David Nelson wrote: On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 Ivan M. iv...@patentpending.co.nz wrote: +1. There is another picture that looks like an image generated by some other piece of software thrown into Draw. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but this image suggests functionality (the creation of such graphics) that (as far as I am aware) is not actually present in Draw: http://www.libreoffice.org/assets/Shuffler/Screenshot-09.png Personally - I love that screenshot in particular; because it looks cool, and (in part) makes LibreOffice look rather good - as such, it seems like great marketing collateral. It is common to use rich artwork, and imported content to make things look richer than perhaps they are. eg. the 'draw' screenshots tend to show some CAD/CAM type image that (clearly!) was never drawn in the product; or some SVG straight out of inkscape (or whatever). Surely this is just normal marketing ? :-) Now - of course, that is my view, irrelevant as it is - hopefully it persuasive :-) but you guys are empowered, and need to sort this (minor) issue out together; preferably by friendly, rational discussion and bearing with each other. This is not a design issue. This is content. if you disagree then maybe we'd better take this back to the SC *again* to get things clarified. But this is is not a good response I think; Who actually cares to split this semantic hair ? the SC I strongly suspect is not going to get involved in this kind of detail adjudicating whether a screenshot is content or not - simply because you can split hairs infinitely: is the theme graphical, and the text content ? what about the font ? what about the font size ? what about the zoom level ? what about the number of pixels in the screenshots ? what about ? ... by the time we get here - it is obvious that the problem is elsewhere :-) In my view, it is far better to reason as winsomely as possible about the issue. Let's just push LibreOffice forward in a positive way. Let's be a good team. Agreed. I want very much to talk voice to voice with you all. In my collaboration with Ivan and Christian, i found that voice contact is important in establishing good rapports. So I feel our discussions will be better when we sit down and bash things out during a confcall. There is much wisdom in this. There is more wisdom, in not writing E-mail when angry; and if you must - then expressing your feelings (privately, not on-list) to the person in a neutral way - so you can work it out together. I don't think anyone gets involved in this great work to make people annoyed - but to try to get a good result. Anyhow - so, the rest I think is nonsense: lets not step back or threaten this; four people took this commitment on - please guys, can you get through the Storming phase as fast as possible into the smooth, friendly fun phase ? :-) I'm sorry to prod the hornets nest - but ... All the best, Michael. [1] - learning to apologise for things you didn't think you did is a most wonderful and gratifying skill to acquire :-) -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] new features page ...
Hi there, I was browsing the new features page: which is something we want to be directing lots of interested journalists and others to over the next days and weeks; and I was wondering if it could be improved. comparing: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/new-features/ to http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/features/3.3/index.html I must confess I prefer the latter :-( eg. I love the work the l10n team does; it is a vital part of what we do - but it is also something that people take for granted as in it should just work in my language - ie. they get upset only if it is not there ;-) Would it be possible to move that to the bottom ? Then, there are some quite sexy new things we have that (IMHO) would benefit from a screenshot; eg. * Caolan's new title-page dialog in writer (Format-Title Page) * And some of our import filters: + SVG, Works, Wordperfect, Lotus Word Pro + better EMF rendering + perhaps pictures of bundled extensions (?) Of course, I'd love to have the relevant files linked as well, so people can try that out quickly ( cf. the obsolete http://go-oo.org/discover ); IMHO that adds a lot. David / Christophe - any objections to this sort of change ? - we can make screenshots small enough that there are few-to-no associated l10n issues, and even (in my view) plain, flat rectangles, without beautiful green drop-shadows (or whatever) would be rather good here (?) I'm happy to work on collecting the shots / files together. Thanks, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] TODO #6 test.libreoffice.org content improvements
Hi David, On Sat, 2010-12-18 at 06:19 +0800, David Nelson wrote: I have the latest features ready and will be posting them today. JFYI - thanks for producing such a great result :-) its really encouraging to see all the feedback incorporated and it looking pretty, and better being functional. If you'd like to help out then that will be great; we just have to make sure that we communicate here in this thread, and that we coordinate and don't waste work by doing things at cross purposes. Oh, and apologies for offering criticism, and then disappearing on holiday for a long while ;-) All the best, Michael (now back in action). -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] quote from the lpOD project
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 18:44 +0100, Florian Effenberger wrote: Thanks for sharing! Is this public? Then best would be to forward to the website list, so someone can add. :) I've added the quote. I also pulled the changes from the git repo on the web-server / web-site and pushed them into the freedesktop repo. I've added a git commit hook to ensure that we do not commit locally to the website. Instead we should commit / push to freedesktop then pull down from there - so everyone can see the latest state and tweak it that has access there. If that leaves anyone without access that needs it, please let me know. HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
