Am 19.05.2015 um 16:19 schrieb Magnus Manske:
> {{#property}} doesn't auto-link
Note that this is likely to change in the future.
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how that
could be fixed.
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. Each Lexeme can have several "Senses" modeled
as "sub-entities", meaning that each Sense has its own set of Statements. Each
Sense can be linked to Senses of other Lexemes (explicit synonyms or
translations) and to Q-id concepts (implicit synonyms or translations) using
Statements.
omated. Some other pages (usually in other namespaces) at those
> projects should be linked too, but can't be handled automatically.
> Would they be handled as sitelinks in Items?
Yes, I'd assume so.
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hough, it
> isn't trivial and assumes meanings. Though, it seems to me reasonably
> possible.
The idea is to do this by having both lexical entries reference the same Q-item
as one of their meanings.
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ations that
> make
> sense (articles on particular series of (not-language-associated)
> symbols/characters)?
Task 1 (Interlanguage-Links for Wiktionary) would not involve Wikidata or
Wikibase at all. It would be a standalone extension linking pages with identical
names between wikis.
on is just how to improve
an apply it. It seems to me that we could use transliteration support for more
languages, and that we should figure out a way to apply it to the "main" label
and description shown at the top of the page.
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here is no main form. Wikidata has one label per language, no main
label.
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y. Wikibase supports full unicode. Well, at least for the BMP. Support
for other unicode planes (say, traditional chinese) may not be perfect.
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g. see this
> <https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Dexbot&dir=prev&offset=20150422000329&target=Dexbot>)
> it would be awesome.
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Am 21.04.2015 um 00:50 schrieb Markus Krötzsch:
> On 20.04.2015 23:47, Daniel Kinzler wrote:
>> Something seems to be wrong with the order, though. Munich (pop > 1m in all
>> statements) is listed way after Chemnitz (pop < 300k in all statements). Any
>> idea why?
>
t
> mayors ...), but a query can only ever be as good as its input data.
>
> I hope this is inspiring to some of you. One could also look for the world's
> youngest or oldest current mayors with similar queries, for example.
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e very keen on using
> DBpedia because of some long free-text descriptions that are more readable and
> friendly than "dry" metadata for users applications. I guess GLAMs will
> continue
> to use DBpedia for this purpose if Wikidata doesn't offer it.
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that for dimensions, the issue is not creating the property, but
teaching the software about units, so that such a property would make sense. A
*lot* of properties are waiting for unit support: length, height, speed,
distance, and many more are blocked on units.
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: The Night Watch (painting by Rembrandt van Rijn)
* ru: Ночной дозор (картина)
So, when the painting is referenced elsewhere, a label (and description) can be
shown in the user's language. Internationalized statements/properties are rarely
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ot care much
> about it being "official" or sourced.
Decent automatic translitteration is fine I think. Automatic word-for-word
*translation* however seems rather problematic.
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ll the other projects...
Only if it's also hosted on the WMF cluster. Or we implement http based
federation (planned, but a lot of work, and waaay down there on the prio list).
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approved bot task adding all Dutch
> streets on Wikidata, and I do not see why any other country could be
> different -
> provided we have good sources.
I fear doing this is going to kill Wikidata. Neither the software nor the
community scales to managing entries for every street in the world.
nse which does not contain any attribution or share-alike provisions.
> Conversely, data may be copied from Wikidata without restriction.
>
> (OSM is licensed under the Open Database License)
This applies to any copyrightable material. Facts ("this is a lighthouse") are
not copyr
since it allows different sources to be given
for different languages.
For towns and streets, the best property to use would probably be "official
name" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1448
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orders of magnitude more...
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Am 07.03.2015 um 18:49 schrieb Jeroen De Dauw:
> Don't worry, it'll be some time before AI can actually ingest Wikidata, see
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7313450/entropy/aitraining.png
ERR 0xBAADF00D
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conflicts). The exact measure for similarity
you'd want to use for this approach is probably the crucial part.
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achine readable
form somewhere? I mean, dbpedia is *using* them for extracting information
somehow, right?
Dimitris, can you enlighten us?
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[4] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P17
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> For reference: The edits that introduced them were
> https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q4383128&diff=182364626&oldid=112941200
> and
> https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q2382164&diff=190607412&oldid=171428564
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>
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Am 27.02.2015 um 12:33 schrieb Dimitris Kontokostas:
> Standard XML MW format exists for long time and is supported by existing
> software.
> IMHO both XML and Json dumps should be treated with the same priority
They should, in fact, be using the same code....
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map
> serialization behaviour
I thought we fixed this? Not everywhere, I assume
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If you mail me an application/offer, I'm happy to forward and, depending on
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Am 09.02.2015 um 13:26 schrieb Magnus Manske:
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>
> On Mon Feb 09 2015 at 11:27:06 Daniel Kinzler <mailto:daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de>> wrote:
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> Am 09.02.2015 um 12:17 schrieb Magnus Manske:
> > My autodesc API serves both at the moment, so the consu
se who want
> that?
Possibly. Depends on how much more data this would actually be. Which also
depends on whether we would omit descriptions in languages that can easily be
covered by language fallback (e.g. no separate descriptions in de-ch and de-at).
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right, both conceptually, and in terms of engineering.
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re is
wikidatawiki-20150113-pages-meta-history.xml.bz2 9.7 GB. Just the 7z version
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aybe give the DB a minute to catch up.
If this fails consistently, it's a major bug.
A streamlined workflow for moving a sitelink to another item would be nice
though. Could be built as a gadget, but we should look into integrating it
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, there is some very silly technical reason that this is not
easy to change at all. We tried to do this right when we introduced the other
widget, of course.
I don't recall what exactly the problem was though, and it might have been fixed
since. Worth another look...
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in whatever way. Having labels, descriptions and aliases
separate does not keep you from modeling them again as statements. One remaining
obstacle is the fact that WD does not have a data type for multilingual text
yet, but that will be added soon(ish).
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n Germany. I
don't think we want to have an item about the *address* of the embassy. If we
did, the country "of" the address would probably be Germany (even if the
embaqssy is technically Swiss territory).
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> Please keep in mind the important points at the beginning of that
> page.
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> Also: If someone comes up with a better name for this that'd be awesome.
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x27;s rediculously low. There is little head room for
stuff like this.
Again, not saying it shouldn't be done. Just saying it's not going to happen
tomorrow, and there's quite a few things to consider.
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under the direct control of the local wiki community. I kind of like the idea of
making our Lua integration more powerful, so it could be used to manipulate the
skin and talk to the API, not just generate article content.
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ikipedia entries for "Linkin Park"
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uot;\u" for $c >= 127
Hey, thanks for digging in!
Would you report that issue to easyRdf at
<https://github.com/njh/easyrdf/issues>? You seem to know that code better than
my by now :) Please cross-link <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76854>.
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> garbages.
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> I hope this issue is not very difficult to fix.
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f this
> word.
>
> It would be useful if we could add a way to represent loan words in Wikidata.
> Then we can add a statement that says Bairro (Q16837104) is a loan word of
> neighbourhood (Q123705) in Portuguese.
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is not defiend by a
statement, but by a separate plain field, and it has been there for years...
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" for this, properties are not classes).
However, using such relationships for queries is a lot harder. They essentially
add an entire dimension of data to process. It's possible, and would be cool,
but it's not easy, so don't hold your breath...
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Am 02.12.2014 22:29, schrieb Lydia Pintscher:
> So heads off to the students.
Oh please, keep their heads on, and take your hats off instead :D
/me imagines Lydia as the Queen of Hearts: “Off with their heads!”
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eturn JSON, RDF/XML, Turtle, N3...) but the RDF serializations do not
> currently contain statements.
>
> Regards,
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Oops, didn't see your mail, you said it all :)
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:EntityData/Q569.json> respectively, if you
ask for Turtle or JSON.
Note that our RDF mapping is still very incomplete. Statements are not covered
at all at the moment. The JSON representation is complete.
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changes to that code. If you look at backupTextPass.inc, you'll see why...
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the value of the "surname" property may not use/show the "correct"
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Generally, there's just "the name", which would be given as the item's label (or
an alias). IF that isn't sufficient, perhaps P1448 ("official name") could be
used: that's a (monolingual) text property.
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of heuristics.
Another issue is scale. Because of the depth of the statements, we would need
hundreds of millions of triples to represent even the data we have today. Expect
this to be billions in a years or two. Few, if any, triple stores scale that
wa
s would include other organisations like zoos
> where they would be alive.
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> Any thoughts would be welcome
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integrate the information that lies partially on Wikidata, and
partially on Commons. This is indeed tricky, and perhaps there is no general,
one-size-fits-all solution.
One thing that may help is the planned "high level media info API", which
provides license/attribution/legal information
the "ambiguous sitelink" issue, I'd rather see us allowing
sitelinks to redirects directly than forcing people to use a hack like this.
Note that currently, we can't just do this without breaking some
assumptions/expectations. We'll need to hink hard about how to get this right.
B
Am 22.10.2014 11:06, schrieb Daniel Kinzler:
> Hi Lukas!
>
> That really shouldn't happen...
>
> Can you tell me on which item that happens?
> Also, please double-check the namespace and content model of the respective
> entry in the dump.
Never mind, I found it in
g we cannot fix on the
Wikibase side. I'm trying to get hold of someone who can confirm/fix this.
I have filed <https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72348> so this gets
tracked. I'll also bring it up in our next call with the foundation.
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stale cache for some items?
>>
>> It looks like the switch happened in the middle of a dump creation so
>> this one is half old and half new format mixed. The ones after that
>> should be all new format. And yay for switching to JSON!
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>> Cheers Lydia
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> to get something in the same format as the dumps with history?
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they are extracted to a png file or something).
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egotiation.
Note that the canonical URI for the concept is
<https://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q1> (which is a redirect to
<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityData/Q1>).
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> of/ property is right for this item ?
I tend to agree with you, but then you can also see it this way: "ethanol" is a
class of molecules. Ethanol molecules are instances of that class, which is a
subclass of "alcoho
ems to the multi-topic pages.
>
> The main proposal here is to treat these things like Wikipedia disambiguation
> pages: we have items, but the items are mainly about the page, not about any
> real-world concept we care about.
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e solution for the language link problem, but modelling the
relationship of these three items on wikidata is kind of annoying/tricky. How
would you do that?
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ely on MediaWiki, and then have the extension only as "glue" between
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ight want to
accommodate the respective community's vernacular...
Perhaps a system message could be used to override the label used for the badge?
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h, she might know.
Even if it proves too tricky to map individual template parameters this way, it
should still be possible to at least detect the class (instanceof) of an item
based on the templates the respective wikipedia page contains. We should
definitely map dpedia classes to wikidata items.
ctly
on the native JSON. I think that approach will avoid any problems like the one
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Am 23.07.2014 17:00, schrieb LB:
> Can you give some estimate how long to wait for this 'soon'?
Could happen during wikimania, or shortly after. not promising anything, though.
In any case, you should use the JSON dumps, not the XML dumps, if at all
possible!
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Am 23.07.2014 14:25, schrieb Magnus Manske:
> Thanks, this looks very promising!
>
> Any chance you could do daily diffs as well? And sync them to Labs quickly?
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JSON contained in the XML dumps more readable. This will hopefully make
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Am 06.06.2014 15:42, schrieb David Cuenca:
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Daniel Kinzler <mailto:daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de>> wrote:
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> SKOS is a good fit for Wikidata data items. For modeling Wiktionary,
> LEMON fits
> a lot better <http://lemon-mod
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;(means)--> Q12345
"Using SKOS" just says that -->(means)--> can be written as "skos:prefLabel"
(resp "skos:altLabel").
The requirement is that the labels in different languages refer to the same
concept. It does not mean they have the same connotations, or no
is up to you.
Note that *all* string values in RDF are multilingual, always. SKOS does not
need to provide a new mechanism for that.
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e"
labels have with the concepts they identify. It allows that relationship to be
re-used automatically in a context different from wikidata itself.
That's it.
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odel.net/>.
If you look at our RDF mapping (e.g. <https://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q64.ttl>),
we do already use skos:prefLabel and skos:altLabel.
(Note: The RDF mapping does not yet include claims at all, it's currently only
for labels, descriptions, aliases, and site links).
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explicit in the RDF representation of data
items. But it would be easy for an external tool that knows how to interpret
such claims on properties to build an appropriate mapping using owl:sameAs or a
similar mechanism.
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in RDF,
but with mapping to RDF vocabularies. Having a relatively limited and stable set
of properties to map makes that a lot easier.
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tabular data (probably as CSV) would
be quite nice. It wouldn't be hard to do either. But I'm not sure how that would
tie into wikidata as a project.
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nd statements that are
> absolutely useless in most languages.
I actually agree with you for statements. I was talking about the
label/description/alias "area". For items referenced in statements, we should
have fallback for display and item selection more swiftly. But still, it will
not
on this was already in place... Lydia, do we have ticket for
that?
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PS: it's not an *absolute* inability: you can enter the ID directly. But that's
not very nice, I know.
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does not offer
> many languages.
It should be relatively easy to write a gadget that allows this. Could even be a
single text box, with one language per line - a terse power user interface.
The whitespace thing could easily be done as a gadget as well. Is there a gadget
kitchen on wikid
nd include aliases. It's also strange to have it visually
separate from the thing you actually want to change. Not easy to get this right.
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there too. And you forget aliases. Labels, descriptions and aliases kind
of go together. They are editable, and should be integrated with Babel stuff.
Labels of referenced sitelinks should have fallback applied, but are not
editable. Sitelinks are unrelated.
As I said: it needs careful design.
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