Re: [Wikidata-l] next 2 rounds of arbitrary access coming up

2015-05-19 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I added Dutch labels. How can I refresh the data ? Thanks, GerardM On 19 May 2015 at 12:54, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Trying (on my user subpage!) Wikidata-based lists with {{#property}} instead of fixed text:

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-14 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, From a Wiktionary point of view they are not the same. Wiktionary links articles that have the same spelling in common. For every meaning in every language they link to the articles that have a specific spelling and it is potluck if that meaning actually exists. Thanks, GerardM On 14

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-14 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, This is in other words what my question amounts to. The question that Denny does not answer. Thanks, GerardM On 15 May 2015 at 01:11, John Erling Blad jeb...@gmail.com wrote: Seems like this is doable, and it does describe a solution to how Wiktionary can be linked form Wikidata. It

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-14 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, What is your definition of a language and, if it is not along the lines of the ISO-639-3, how are they organised. One of the first things to do is understand how these languages can be incorporated in Wikidata and prepare for that. Do you have a list with all the languages and hopefully

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-09 Thread Gerard Meijssen
up of that analysis can be found here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Comparison_of_Projects_and_Proposals_for_Wiktionary On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 11:46 AM Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Please do appreciate that OmegaWiki, originally WiktionaryZ, really

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-08 Thread Gerard Meijssen
for statements on Lexemes and Forms, as the proposal states explicitly. On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:25 PM Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Given the opposition to having statements on the level of the label, it does not make sense to have Wiktionary included in Wikidata. Thanks

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-08 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Please do appreciate that OmegaWiki, originally WiktionaryZ, really wants to be considered in all this. It is the grand daddy of Wikidata and it does combine everything you would want as far as lexical data is concerned. Thanks, GerardM On 8 May 2015 at 18:18, Denny Vrandečić

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Would it not make sense to FIRST finish a few things.. Like Commons and Query ? One of the primary things Wikidata was supposed to do is manage

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
, GerardM On 7 May 2015 at 12:03, Smolenski Nikola smole...@eunet.rs wrote: Citiranje Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: The interwiki links to Wiktionary are from an interwiki point of view EXTREMELY easy to do. The problem with those links is that they cannot be uniquely linked

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
on Lexemes and Forms, as the proposal states explicitly. On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:25 PM Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Given the opposition to having statements on the level of the label, it does not make sense to have Wiktionary included in Wikidata. Thanks

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Given the opposition to having statements on the level of the label, it does not make sense to have Wiktionary included in Wikidata. Thanks, GerardM On 8 May 2015 at 06:19, Denny Vrandečić vrande...@gmail.com wrote: I would disagree with requiring the Wiktionary communities to change

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata for Wiktionary

2015-05-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Would it not make sense to FIRST finish a few things.. Like Commons and Query ? Thanks, GerardM On 7 May 2015 at 04:54, Denny Vrandečić vrande...@gmail.com wrote: It is rather clear that everyone wants Wikidata to also support Wiktionary, and there have been plenty of proposals in the

Re: [Wikidata-l] Auto-transliteration of names of humans

2015-05-03 Thread Gerard Meijssen
...@gmail.com: I'll all with you, on this, unfortunately only a few people reads IPA currently :(. I don't, for example. 2015-05-02 15:19 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, When the point is to express how an official name is to be pronounced, IPA is in order

Re: [Wikidata-l] Auto-transliteration of names of humans

2015-05-02 Thread Gerard Meijssen
are multilingual and should provide users in all languages an idea how the name is said. Best regards Bene Am 01.05.2015 um 07:14 schrieb Gerard Meijssen: Hoi, It is still a bad idea. An official name exists only in one language. Thanks, GerardM On 30 April 2015 at 18:50, Thomas Douillard

Re: [Wikidata-l] Number of planets in the solar system

2015-05-02 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, It strikes me as another example of a search for perfection where we do not even cater for what is good. Our priorities should be with what is common and present it well not with a game of trivia that upset showing what is good and common. Thanks, GerardM On 30 April 2015 at 18:33, Paul

Re: [Wikidata-l] Auto-transliteration of names of humans

2015-05-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
in the original language together with a transliteration in the user language. I don't understand how it could be a bad idea. 2015-05-01 7:14 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, It is still a bad idea. An official name exists only in one language. Thanks, GerardM On 30 April

Re: [Wikidata-l] Auto-transliteration of names of humans

2015-05-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
language, the same reason we translate the UI,, the help pages, the Wikipedia articles and so on. 2015-05-01 16:40 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, A name in a script that does not make sense to you is a standard to what? Do not put yourself at the centre of the galaxy

Re: [Wikidata-l] Auto-transliteration of names of humans

2015-05-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You rest your case Fine. You do not address the point that an official name is exactly that. It is the name as used by authorities. Typically it is what is used in registers, in passports. You do not have those for your convenience in any language. It does not matter what you can read or not.

Re: [Wikidata-l] Auto-transliteration of names of humans

2015-05-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
myself understood ? I'm beginning to wonder ... :) 2015-05-01 19:47 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, You rest your case Fine. You do not address the point that an official name is exactly that. It is the name as used by authorities. Typically it is what is used

Re: [Wikidata-l] Auto-transliteration of names of humans

2015-04-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
. Joe On 30 Apr 2015 06:13, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, We transliterate every name from one script to the other. Transliteration the official name is exactly the one you should not transliterate.. What is left after transliteration is not official. Thanks

Re: [Wikidata-l] Auto-transliteration of names of humans

2015-04-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
the transliteration in a qualifier. Joe On 30 Apr 2015 06:13, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, We transliterate every name from one script to the other. Transliteration the official name is exactly the one you should not transliterate.. What is left after transliteration

Re: [Wikidata-l] Using Special:Unconnected Pages? Please read.

2015-04-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi Romaine, Great news :) I would personally love it when the Dutch Wikipedians look after their dead. It does not get my eye and I think it is important to know at least about the recently dearly departed. Thanks, GerardM On 30 April 2015 at 01:07, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikidata-l] Auto-transliteration of names of humans

2015-04-27 Thread Gerard Meijssen
sense really. If you use ISO for Russian names in Cyrillic script, the label you get is not in English. It's still in Russian but transliterated to Latin script. ISO thus would only fit as an alias for the Russian interface language, if at all. 2015-04-26 22:39 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen

Re: [Wikidata-l] novalue in qualifiers or references

2015-04-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, There are two ways of doing that.. You can assume given average age and date of birth in what century someone died. This is something you can specify or you can state that the date of death as unknown. Now that IS a valid way of doing this. However it does not mean that 17th centrury people

Re: [Wikidata-l] novalue in qualifiers or references

2015-04-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, It would make sense to have a bot run and add dates of novalue for dob dod where we know that people must be dead. Thanks, GerardM On 26 April 2015 at 08:54, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, There are two ways of doing that.. You can assume given average age

Re: [Wikidata-l] Auto-transliteration of names of humans

2015-04-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Let us be clear that what whatever Wikipedia does is for that Wikipedia to decide. It does not follow automatically that it must be the label for that language.. Thanks, GerardM On 26 April 2015 at 14:22, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On 2015-04-23 01:21, Stas Malyshev

Re: [Wikidata-l] Auto-transliteration of names of humans

2015-04-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, grin ISO is a reliable source; it is THE standard /grin Wikipedia is definitely not a standard by its own admission. Thanks, GerardM On 26 April 2015 at 22:37, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On 2015-04-26 22:33, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi My point

Re: [Wikidata-l] novalue in qualifiers or references

2015-04-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I regularly query for for instance claim[31] ie any instance of whatever... I would also query for the existence of a date of death in a similar way. for me a claim with a whatever it is that says that there is no value would be a positive result and I would not consider it for any

Re: [Wikidata-l] novalue in qualifiers or references

2015-04-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: On 26.04.2015 22:16, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, I regularly query for for instance claim[31] ie any instance of whatever... I would also query for the existence of a date of death in a similar way. for me a claim with a whatever it is that says

Re: [Wikidata-l] Auto-transliteration of names of humans

2015-04-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
wrote: On 2015-04-26 22:26, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, Let us be clear that what whatever Wikipedia does is for that Wikipedia to decide. It does not follow automatically that it must be the label for that language.. Thanks, GerardM This is fine with me, but using ISO is really

Re: [Wikidata-l] novalue in qualifiers or references

2015-04-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
but is that not the point. ? It is similar to a lot of referenced statements that when you check them are NOT what is stated at all. Thanks, GerardM On 26 April 2015 at 22:37, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: On 26.04.2015 22:28, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, It is a matter

Re: [Wikidata-l] Auto-transliteration of names of humans

2015-04-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
recording ). Joe On 26 Apr 2015 21:40, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, grin ISO is a reliable source; it is THE standard /grin Wikipedia is definitely not a standard by its own admission. Thanks, GerardM On 26 April 2015 at 22:37, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru

Re: [Wikidata-l] novalue in qualifiers or references

2015-04-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When someone bothers to add a qualifier, it is most likely that it will be done completely and well. It is NOT something that is automated. So a date missing means exactly that. There is no known end date. This notion that no value has value is fine except that it prevents tools that rely on

Re: [Wikidata-l] World's largest cities with a female mayor :-)

2015-04-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Do I understand correctly that you cannot have results showing labels for a given languages? Thanks, GerardM On 20 April 2015 at 22:18, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: Hi all, For many years, Denny and I have been giving talks about why we need to improve the

Re: [Wikidata-l] World's largest cities with a female mayor :-)

2015-04-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Yes the link below is for Russian :) On 23 April 2015 at 19:02, Nicola Vitucci nicola.vitu...@gmail.com wrote: Il 23/04/2015 18:36, Gerard Meijssen ha scritto: Hoi, Do I understand correctly that you cannot have results showing labels for a given languages? Thanks, GerardM

Re: [Wikidata-l] items about data model concepts

2015-04-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Sorry for being dense.. What is wrong with there being no value ? Having a no value is imho understanding only a complication of saying nothing... Why not say nothing in the first place ? Thanks, GerardM On 22 April 2015 at 21:52, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote:

Re: [Wikidata-l] items about data model concepts

2015-04-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
that the series is other, we can state no value follows Episode 2 Which means We're sure the series is other. Otherwise this means Wikidata do not know, for some reason there could be a following episode but noone updated Wikidata yet, for example. 2015-04-23 11:33 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen

Re: [Wikidata-l] items about data model concepts

2015-04-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
the source B saying that X had no child On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Sorry for being dense.. What is wrong with there being no value ? Having

Re: [Wikidata-l] items about data model concepts

2015-04-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
not apply. Thanks, GerardM On 23 April 2015 at 11:37, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Sorry for being dense.. What is wrong with there being no value ? Having a no value

Re: [Wikidata-l] Suggestions for improvements of Wikidata

2015-04-13 Thread Gerard Meijssen
, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-04-09 8:29 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Because the battle of Stalingrad as a battle was not fought by modern day Russia, it was fought by the USSR and Nazi Germany. Associating the battle of Stalingrad

Re: [Wikidata-l] Suggestions for improvements of Wikidata

2015-04-09 Thread Gerard Meijssen
of Wolgograd. Thanks, GerardM On 7 April 2015 at 23:27, Roland Cornelissen metamatter...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On 05-04-15 16:10, Gerard Meijssen wrote: It does not make sense to couple coordinates with countries... The battle of Stalingrad for instance was firmly in the USSR

Re: [Wikidata-l] External identifiers vs. Wikidata-internal links data

2015-04-04 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Reasonator is read only in the sense that the display does not update itself when you make an edit from it through Widar. Even that is not strictly true; the label of the article itself will update when you add a label in your language and once it has been included in Wikidata. I really

Re: [Wikidata-l] External identifiers vs. Wikidata-internal links data

2015-04-03 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When you look at Wikidata itself, it is very much a jungle of unsorted data. This has been recognised and a different layout of the information is in the planning. I am glad with your complaint because it shows that we are maturing.. We have so much of a mess that it is largely

Re: [Wikidata-l] Data templates

2015-04-02 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I do not follow ... A quote is exactly that ... it is not a place where things that do not fit neatly are to be dumped. What you need to consider is what the value is of mono-lingual text.. A motto as used on a shield makes sense.. a quote maybe, the original name of something surely... but

Re: [Wikidata-l] Kian: The first neural network to serve Wikidata

2015-03-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, For me this is a dream come true. I very much do NOT want another million edits. That is not to say that I would lose interest; I do not want to do this. Thanks, GerardM On 7 March 2015 at 13:24, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, I spent last few weeks working on this

Re: [Wikidata-l] Update on data quality project

2015-02-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I like where you are going a lot... GND is given as an example and for any source including the GND we know things can be wrong as well. They regularly are and there is a process in place for indicating where GND and WP-DE differ. This works well because in time the GND does look and remedy

Re: [Wikidata-l] Call for development openness

2015-02-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I have waited for some time to reply. FIrst of all. Wikidata is not your average data repository. It would not be as relevant as it is if it were not for the fact that it links Wikipedia articles of any language to statements on items. This is the essence of Wikidata. After that we can all

Re: [Wikidata-l] Update on data quality project

2015-02-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, One thought, the majority of statements are not made at Wikidata but are done using Widar or a bot. How will this affect these processes ? Thanks, GerardM On 20 February 2015 at 12:44, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, I like where you are going a lot... GND

Re: [Wikidata-l] Call for development openness

2015-02-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Obviously you forgot about OmegaWiki. It can still do things Wikidata is incapable of. Thanks, GerardM On 20 February 2015 at 17:21, Markus Kroetzsch markus.kroetz...@tu-dresden.de wrote: Dear Gerard: ... This is the essence of Wikidata. After that we can all complain about

Re: [Wikidata-l] Call for development openness

2015-02-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
that difficult for me to do for Wikidata what I did for Freebase but I am not doing it because you aren't going to pay for it. [... GOES BACK TO WORK ON A SKUNK WORKS PROJECT THAT JUST MIGHT PAY OFF] On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 8:09 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, I have

Re: [Wikidata-l] We're hiring a frontend developer for Wikidata

2015-02-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, This is VERY exciting Thanks, Gerard On 12 February 2015 at 17:26, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: Hey folks :) Since one of our frontend developers is transitioning to doing more design work we are looking for someone to join the Wikidata dev team to work on

Re: [Wikidata-l] descriptions in mobile app

2015-02-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, It is pointless to include automated descriptions when they are then saved in a fixed form. The point of automated descriptions is exactly that they change as new statements are made. This is one reason why they are superior to manual descriptions. The other is that when one label is added in

[Wikidata-l] descriptions in mobile app

2015-02-08 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I understand that item descriptions are going to be used in a mobile app. In my opinion that is seriously disappointing because it is not realistic to expect enough coverage in any language. Particularly in the small languages it will not be really useful. My question is: we have had

Re: [Wikidata-l] descriptions in mobile app

2015-02-08 Thread Gerard Meijssen
, but as an opportunity to find a way to fill item descriptions more efficiently. Basically, to find some cycles to resolve https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T64695 בתאריך 8 בפבר 2015 10:33, ‏Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com כתב: Hoi, I understand that item descriptions are going

Re: [Wikidata-l] Impossible to add interwiki links

2015-01-29 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Great to hear about the collaboration between Wikipedias :) I do not use those buttons imho it is not worth it It is quicker doing it all from Wikidata for me. Thanks, GerardM On 29 January 2015 at 12:49, Robin Owain robin.ow...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Exactly, Fabian. We constantly

Re: [Wikidata-l] Conflict of Interest policy for Wikidata

2015-01-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, English Wikipedia is not Wikipedia. It certainly is not any other project. I certainly do not want the policies of English Wikipedia. It is bad enough for en,wp itself Thanks, GerardM On 7 January 2015 at 19:26, Peter F. Patel-Schneider pfpschnei...@gmail.com wrote: Wikipedia has

Re: [Wikidata-l] Conflict of Interest policy for Wikidata

2015-01-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Markus, is there no public domain picture for you... Please let it be a flattering picture.. and please add it yourself... grin I love the argument people make when they want to imply that you are not that good looking /grin Thanks, Gerard

Re: [Wikidata-l] Conflict of Interest policy for Wikidata

2015-01-04 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You say this based on what? As far as I am aware Andy is right. Thanks, GerardM On 4 January 2015 at 08:40, Jasper Deng jas...@jasperswebsite.com wrote: @Andy: no, the terms of use *are* the minimum because since a user must legally accept them when editing a project, everyone is

Re: [Wikidata-l] Scaling Wikidata: success means making the pie bigger

2015-01-04 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I understand why you used the pie notion however, Wikidata is more like a 3D ball [1]. A ball that is dense in places and more open in others. If there is one challenge that we have to face and where we will find no help elsewhere it is very much in the representation of our data in other

Re: [Wikidata-l] Queries related question : relationship beetween queries

2015-01-02 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Absolutely. However, creating functionality that is useful in any language for any subject beats considering templates that are useful for only about one project. Also automated text is something beyond what templates may offer or what Reasonator offers. Reasonator and its approach is

Re: [Wikidata-l] Queries related question : relationship beetween queries

2015-01-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
to generate the stub article. 2015-01-01 18:38 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, You do not make sense to me. A query is something I understand. What you are saying about templates and list articles is very much wishful thinking. It bears no relation to anything I know. I

Re: [Wikidata-l] Queries related question : relationship beetween queries

2015-01-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/autolist1.html?q=claim%5B106%3A1028181%5D%20and%20claim%5B19%3A12892%5D On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, For the list Flemish surrealist painters there is no intersection between Flemish painter or with Surrealist painters

Re: [Wikidata-l] Queries related question : relationship beetween queries

2015-01-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, For the list Flemish surrealist painters there is no intersection between Flemish painter or with Surrealist painters. That list is in and of itself an article in a Wikipedia. In Wikidata you want the two properties separate so that you can be surprised with who fits in a list. It is not

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2015-01-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
your point, nor a clear answer. And I don't want to guess. 2014-12-30 15:59 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, Until Wikidata provides query functionality, any arguments about it are without much merit. Until that time WDQ provides functionality. That functionality can

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, With all due respect. We have something that works already in Reasonator. It covers most if not all requirements that we can possibly think of. We have gained a lot of experience in that way.. Why not implement it and improve on it conform any potential additional requirements ? Thanks,

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
that is already available to us. Reasonator works now and anything else will take a LONG time before it can be used. Thanks, GerardM On 30 December 2014 at 10:16, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
.. sharing in the sum of all knowledge. The knowledge in Wikidata is available knowledge to us so we do not have a valid excuse. Thanks, GerardM On 30 December 2014 at 11:38, Michał Łazowik mlazo...@me.com wrote: Hi, Wiadomość napisana przez Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com w dniu 30

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You also forget that it HAS been in use on several Wikipedias in the past. So when that was no problem why is it a problem that can not be overcome now and for now? Thanks, GerardM On 30 December 2014 at 12:15, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, They are mostly

Re: [Wikidata-l] input for article placeholder

2014-12-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
cool that this feature is not implemented right now :) And reasonator can follow its own path. 2014-12-30 12:28 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, You also forget that it HAS been in use on several Wikipedias in the past. So when that was no problem why is it a problem

Re: [Wikidata-l] WikiData for Research Project Idea: Structured History

2014-12-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
difference between those two and the other organizations like the OMG, W3C, IETF, and FIPS that publish standards for free and manage to somehow pay the bills. On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 6:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi. The fact that ISO has its standards

Re: [Wikidata-l] WikiData for Research Project Idea: Structured History

2014-12-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The Wikipedia article on the subject has probably most if not all relevant details.. Thanks, GerardM On 30 December 2014 at 16:39, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, The most important people, as far as Wikidata is concerned, are the Wikidata developers. As long

Re: [Wikidata-l] WikiData for Research Project Idea: Structured History

2014-12-29 Thread Gerard Meijssen
How could we model events in Wikidata ? Thanks, GerardM On 29 December 2014 at 09:49, Dov Winer dov.wi...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Hi Sam, CIDOC/CRM is the ontology of choice for Structured History as it is anchored on modelling events. An excellent project based on it is the

Re: [Wikidata-l] Tool for adding references and data to Wikidata

2014-12-17 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, It is an assumption that Wikidata will not expect data from Freebase. It has not been discussed, it may be correct. However, there are many really important reasons why we should seriously consider the offer of accepting much data from Freebase for inclusion in Wikidata. The most important

Re: [Wikidata-l] Tool for adding references and data to Wikidata

2014-12-17 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, As you know Amir wrote software to compare data in Freebase and Wikidata. Currently there are students working on a similar approach with other sources. Yes, we want sources obviously HOWEVER, the lack of sources should not hold us back from having valid and valuable data. When data can be

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-12-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Maybe. At the same time other people are equally opposed to what you favour so much. Your approach is one that is very much Wikipedia oriented. It is not something that makes sense with a more Wikidata oriented approach. The point is that quite often Wikidata is more informative than what

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-12-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
, James. On 10/12/2014 10:11, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, Maybe. At the same time other people are equally opposed to what you favour so much. Your approach is one that is very much Wikipedia oriented. It is not something that makes sense with a more Wikidata oriented approach

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata wins the ODI Open Data Award

2014-11-04 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, This is the kind of good news that deserves a wider audience :) Thanks, GerardM http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2014/11/wikidata-is-opendata-winner.html On 4 November 2014 20:50, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: Saw this now on Twitter: wikidata vince

Re: [Wikidata-l] Categories in Wikidata

2014-10-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, A category or a list includes entries that fulfill certain criteria. For instance,many awards are given to humans, so we can define on the list is a list of humanwith a qualifier award received Award name. Over 1400 categories have such definitions [1]. When you choose any of them, there is

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata RDF

2014-10-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
the whole standard and implementation stack? What makes you think Wikidata can do better than RDF? Martynas On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Hell no. Wikidata is first and foremost a product that is actually used. It has that way from

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata RDF

2014-10-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
will be 2) is not supported by any other tool or project and never will be? I would understand this kind of reasoning coming from a hobbyist project, but not from one claiming to be a global free linked database. Martynas On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata RDF

2014-10-27 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Hell no. Wikidata is first and foremost a product that is actually used. It has that way from the start. Prioritising RDF over actual practical use cases is imho wrong. If anything the continuous tinkering on the format of dumps has mostly brought us grieve. Dumps that can no longer be read

Re: [Wikidata-l] Open Data Awards

2014-10-27 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Well deserved !! Thanks, GerardM On 28 October 2014 00:55, John Lewis johnflewi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, Some exciting news here. The Open Data Awards' finalists lists were recently published on their website. Wikidata has been listed as a finalist in two different

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
-comparable wiki article). I look forward to your comments. All best, James. On 22/10/2014 06:43, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, When a position is taken that is manifestly wrong, it is worse to desist. Andy I like you too but calling someone a dick because he does not agree with you

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Gross) to Alice Gross (a redirect). Q(Alice Gross) would then no longer be sitelinked to an article about an event; but instead would be sitelinked to a redirect. Wouldn't that be a better state of affairs ? -- James. On 22/10/2014 12:19, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, I do not consider

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-21 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, If this Jackson Douglas is the best that you can do, you destroyed the argument that it has merit. Have a look at what Jackson Douglas brings you in Reasonato[1]r !! When you read the article, Mr Douglas is mentioned as the spouse of Alex Borstein. That is all. Mr Douglas has articles in

Re: [Wikidata-l] standardize Wikidata WikiProject logos

2014-10-21 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Maybe let a thousand flowers bloom ? Thanks, GerardM On 21 October 2014 08:05, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org wrote: Currently, we have different styles: c:Category:Wikidata task forces https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikidata_task_forces. What could a

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-21 Thread Gerard Meijssen
a problem with that? If so, what is your problem? -- James. On 20/10/2014 11:45, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, We do not support redirects. We do not support paragraphs.Wikidata is not designed to support either. Thanks, GerardM On 20 October 2014 10:39, rupert THURNER rupert.thur

Re: [Wikidata-l] Fwd: [Wikidata-tech] Description(s)

2014-10-21 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Is this dump going to be cleaned up? Will the next dump be good? Why did this go wrong? Thanks, GerardM On 21 October 2014 17:02, Lukas Benedix lukas.bene...@fu-berlin.de wrote: Different keys can still be found in the actual xml dump wikidatawiki-20141009-pages-articles.xml.bz2.

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-21 Thread Gerard Meijssen
not be a dick yourself.. Thanks, GerardM On 21 October 2014 21:21, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 21 October 2014 07:13, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: If this Jackson Douglas is the best that you can do, you destroyed the argument that it has merit

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
is there on enwp, and a paragraph and a redirect to it is there on dewp? Rupert On Oct 18, 2014 1:21 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, As you correctly quote, one of the requirements is an article. So what is your point ? Thanks, GerardM On 18 October 2014 12:52, John

Re: [Wikidata-l] Associating WD items with WP article sections (it was: redirects, workflow)

2014-10-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I am totally happy for Wikipedia to have redirects. I do not mind as long as it stops there,. Thanks, GerardM On 20 October 2014 22:24, James Heald j.he...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: I think we have to look at what people actually use: overwhelmingly, that is redirects, not labelled section

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
misunderstood what I was talking about. I hope it is clearer and makes more sense to you now. All best, James. On 16/10/2014 06:15, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, I seriously fail to see how an example how Wikidata can be abused is a good thing. Redirects are imho seriously stupid

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, Just for arguments sake I have included the information about Mr Havell to Wikidata. The result is certainly informative when seen from the Reasonator. [1] Any and all people known in the Creator template on Commons can and should have a Wikidata entry. When you

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, As you correctly quote, one of the requirements is an article. So what is your point ? Thanks, GerardM On 18 October 2014 12:52, John Lewis johnflewi...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, 18 October 2014, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: One of the requirements

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
, GerardM On 18 October 2014 13:12, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 18 October 2014 08:15, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: I think I requested P1472, I forgot all about it. It takes so long before The proposal was mine: https://www.wikidata.org

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-17 Thread Gerard Meijssen
was talking about. I hope it is clearer and makes more sense to you now. All best, James. On 16/10/2014 06:15, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, I seriously fail to see how an example how Wikidata can be abused is a good thing. Redirects are imho seriously stupid. They are utterly

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-17 Thread Gerard Meijssen
items which redirect to other items? Joe On 17 Oct 2014 06:27, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, If there is something like a hatmaker, it can have an item even when there is no article in the English Wikipedia about it. When Mr Daniel Havell has no article, it still

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-16 Thread Gerard Meijssen
. I hope it is clearer and makes more sense to you now. All best, James. On 16/10/2014 06:15, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, I seriously fail to see how an example how Wikidata can be abused is a good thing. Redirects are imho seriously stupid. They are utterly Wikipedia centric

Re: [Wikidata-l] Re-enable quick editing in Wikidata please

2014-10-15 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Thanks :) Gerard On 15 October 2014 08:54, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: Hey :) Update/next steps: * We've investigated the edit conflict issues and found the cause. * We're working on a fix for the edit conflicts. In this sprint. * We're going to work on a

Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects (was: Re: Users do understand Wikidata less than before)

2014-10-15 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I seriously fail to see how an example how Wikidata can be abused is a good thing. Redirects are imho seriously stupid. They are utterly Wikipedia centric and they introduce new things that do not exist. - a redirect page to three pages is also called an disambiguation page.. We do

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