Todd Allen wrote:
>If he were in favor, it would've been a simple resignation.
Yes. We're left to presume that James forced a vote here by refusing to
step down voluntarily.
>I'm not sure why it's surprising he would oppose it.
Right, that part isn't surprising. But discounting the unsurprising
Hello everybody.
What grieves me most is that this edit was done by only a few people,
however powerful [1]
And to make this edit a lot of work and far more trust was involved... [2]
[1]
https://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Board_of_Trustees&diff=104353&oldid=103933
[2]
https://wikim
If he were in favor, it would've been a simple resignation. I'm not sure
why it's surprising he would oppose it.
On Dec 28, 2015 6:39 PM, "Ilario Valdelli" wrote:
> On 29.12.2015 02:17, MZMcBride wrote:
>
>> ---
>> ; Approved: Patricio Lorente, Alice Wiegand, Frieda Brioschi, Jimmy Wales,
>> Stu
Removing a board member is definitely a serious issue. The community
wants to know every aspect of the incident, why suddenly James has
been removed.
Regards,
Tanweer Morshed
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Removing a board member is definitely a serious issue. The community
wants to know every aspects of the incident, why suddenly James have
been removed.
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Hi all -
I have to start this email with a pair of disclaimers: I'm both not a
lawyer, and I've never been on the board of an organization headquartered
in Florida. However, I have been on multiple California-based boards - none
that had nearly the revenue of WMF, but some whose assets did run in
Henning, I think you have missed an important detail (and if I'm mistaken,
I'd like to know about it).
This is not an "either/or" situation. At least in the past, when I have
manually added Wayback Machine links (or seen them added by bots), they do
not *replace* dead links, they merely complement
Bodhisattwa and Nathan,
If I imagine myself in James' shoes, I would be thinking a lot right now
about:
* What are my legal obligations around what I may or may not say
* What are the difficult-to-predict consequences to WMF, to Wikimedia,
and/or to oneself of saying various things
* What obligati
This is an unprecedented and very serious situation. We wait for good
reasons from the Board to decide for this extreme measure.
Vini
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 12:27 AM, Pete Forsyth
wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Nathan wrote:
>
> > It was published. It contains no information beyond
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Nathan wrote:
> It was published. It contains no information beyond the OP.
>
>
Well, it contains a bit more -- it clarifies that his removal also ends his
terms on various committees, and -- rather significant, I think -- it
states the names of which Trustees vot
Henning,
If we're going to solve the problem of dead links, it needs to involve
automation, at least for the heavy lifting. Obviously, if a human
contributor can add a better source, that's great. But there are more dead
links than people willing to replace them.
On English Wikipedia, there's Cat
Nod. Found it. :/
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:James_Heilman_Removal
On 29 Dec 2015 1:21 pm, "Nathan" wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 9:17 PM, John Mark Vandenberg
> wrote:
>
> > Surely there must be a board resolution that needs to be pubished
> regarding
> > this?
>
>
> It
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 9:17 PM, John Mark Vandenberg
wrote:
> Surely there must be a board resolution that needs to be pubished regarding
> this?
It was published. It contains no information beyond the OP.
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this?
On 29 Dec 2015 9:44 am, "James Heilman" wrote:
> On Dec 28th 2015 I was removed from the board of the Wikimedia Foundation.
> Many thanks to all those who gave me their support during the last
> election. I have wor
Hey Doc,
The community wants to know about what happened. I think, you need to talk
about this.
Regards,
Bodhisattwa
On 29 Dec 2015 07:25, "Nathan" wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 8:39 PM, James Heilman wrote:
>
> > As Patricio stated the "Board has a responsibility to ... ensure that the
> >
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 8:39 PM, James Heilman wrote:
> As Patricio stated the "Board has a responsibility to ... ensure that the
> Board functions with *mutual confidence*"
>
> My fellow trustees need no reason beyond lack of trust in me to justify my
> removal. No reason beyond that is needed p
James,
Thank you for framing the issue. In the absence of any alternative claim,
let me respond to the "trust" issue.
"Trust" is not a thing in itself. One person trusts another with a certain
responsibility, or to accomplish a certain task. An unqualified "I trust
you" is generally the kind of t
28.12.2015, 21:00, "James Heilman" :
> Deadlinks are one of the most common ways of spamming Wikipedia. Paid
> editors replace deadlinks with links to the spam site which now contains
> the contain as it way copied from waybackmachine. Linking to waybackmachine
> is thus superior.
>
> --
> James He
Hey Trillium
Am a little distracted. Will dug up some difs for you soon. Please email me
directly to remind me.
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The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine
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As Patricio stated the "Board has a responsibility to ... ensure that the
Board functions with *mutual confidence*"
My fellow trustees need no reason beyond lack of trust in me to justify my
removal. No reason beyond that is needed per our board by laws.
There was not any COI or legal impropriety
On 29.12.2015 02:17, MZMcBride wrote:
---
; Approved: Patricio Lorente, Alice Wiegand, Frieda Brioschi, Jimmy Wales,
Stu West, Jan-Bart de Vreede, Guy Kawasaki, Denny Vrandečić,
; Oppose: Dariusz Jemielniak, James Heilman
---
This is a somewhat interesting breakdown. I'm also paying close atten
SarahSV wrote:
>On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Pete Forsyth
>wrote:
>> With this action, eight Trustees with little accountability overruled
>> several hundred volunteers and another Trustee who literally earned the
>> most support votes of any Trustee in the organization's history.
>>
>> Any ex
Even if there are legal reasons that disclosure is not possible, a simple
statement to that effect ("For legal reasons, we cannot provide additional
information") should be at the very least forthcoming.
If the removal was "not for cause", which apparently is allowed, that
should be explicitly sta
Wikimedia is still a democracy, even if the people running it aren't
..as someone pointed out above, he was selected by over 1800
"contributors" and i have personally seen him make 'minor' mistakes,
none justifying why he was removed.. This is quite unbecoming of an
organisation that prides itself
Yes, it's still a Florida organization.
You can see the resolution cites
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Bylaws#Section_7._Removal , which in
turn cites Section 617.0808(1), which is what I linked to (
https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/617.0808)
Matt Flaschen
On Monday, December 2
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote:
>
> With this action, eight Trustees with little accountability overruled
> several hundred volunteers and another Trustee who literally earned the
> most support votes of any Trustee in the organization's history.
>
> Any explanation of the re
Quite surprised by this action, it does indeed seem unprecedented and I would
hope the board would release a statement as to why this decision was made.
Unless there are legal reasons that mean the board cannot disclose why, I would
think that an explanation should be provided.
Steve Crossin
S
I'd like to suggest we look at this decision from as objective and broad a
perspective as possible, and consider any statement (or lack of any
statement) from the Wikimedia Foundation from that perspective. My initial
thoughts are that the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees are an entity
that:
Pine, the resolution was published, and it does not provide any
information.
https://m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:James_Heilman_Removal
Matt, why would FL law apply to Board decisions? WMF is based in Cali. Are
they still officially a Florida entity?
Best,
Th.
2015-12-29 1:39 GMT+01
I am hopeful that the resolution, when it is published, will provide us
with more information.
IMO, speed is less important here than the completeness of the information.
I'd prefer a more thorough explanation provided tomorrow than a hasty and
potentially incomplete explanation today.
Thanks,
Pi
I really, really hope that, as fast as one can be written, a resolution
explaining more fully the circumstances of James' departure from the board
is written and passed. If there are legal reasons that mean that his
departure cannot be more fully explained, that itself needs to be noted -
and I ho
Under Florida law
(https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/617.0808), there is a
distinction between removals for cause and removals not for cause
(https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/617.0808).
Removals not for cause require a 2/3 majority (this standard was still met).
If you are un
Hi,
This official statement is very much weak and does not state any reason of
such removal. A rather serious and transparent explanation to the community
is needed.
Regards,
Bodhisattwa
On 29 Dec 2015 05:22, "Risker" wrote:
> On 28 December 2015 at 18:29, Patricio Lorente >
> wrote:
>
> > Dea
Add me as well.
Eager to know what happened.
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Add my voice to those waiting for the Board to provide something closer to
the minimum necessary context for this decision.
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Here is the resolution removing James.
https://m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:James_Heilman_Removal
On Tuesday, December 29, 2015, Risker wrote:
> On 28 December 2015 at 18:29, Patricio Lorente >
> wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > Today the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees voted
Dear Patricio,
as James is (or was) a community-elected member, it would have been nice to
include reasons why the Board took this decision in the announcement. It
gives (at least me) the impression of deliberate non-openness, and I don't
like it.
Th.
2015-12-29 0:52 GMT+01:00 Risker :
> On 28
On 28 December 2015 at 18:29, Patricio Lorente
wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Today the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees voted to remove one of the
> Trustees, Dr. James Heilman, from the Board. His term ended effective
> immediately.
>
> This was not a decision the Board took lightly. The Board ha
I hope that the WMF board and James are able to collaborate a bit further
to give an explanation of the cause of this, and that the explanation given
is to the mutual satisfaction of both the board and James.
I presume that the current notice of dismissal without explanation is not
the explanation
Anyone who has worked with James on the projects will know how seriously
committed he is to open knowledge and that he is held in the highest regard
by the community for his achievements and character. Losing him from the
WMF board is a severe blow for fellow volunteers. With James voted in as a
tr
I really really hope that the full and transparent text of the resolution
is published as soon as is reasonably possible. James has the trust of a
colossal number of movement members, and seeing him suddenly removed short
of allegations of financial malfeasance or something to that effect is
incre
Dear all,
Today the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees voted to remove one of the
Trustees, Dr. James Heilman, from the Board. His term ended effective
immediately.
This was not a decision the Board took lightly. The Board has a
responsibility to the Wikimedia movement and the Wikimedia Found
I join everyone else here in hoping we'll be hearing a very good reason for
this. I understand it may not be possible (or wise) for Doc James to
provide that, but it certainly shouldn't be done for simple differences of
opinion.
On Dec 28, 2015 4:17 PM, "SarahSV" wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at
This is not good. I suppose Board will give us an explanation of what
happened, so we could discuss it here.
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Kevin Gorman wrote:
> Dr James, thank you for your work in Wikimedia governance (and for that
> matter, management so far.) I really hope a full, though
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 3:43 PM, James Heilman wrote:
> On Dec 28th 2015 I was removed from the board of the Wikimedia Foundation.
> Many thanks to all those who gave me their support during the last
> election. I have worked in the last six month to honor the trust placed in
> me by advocating f
Wut?
Il 28/12/2015 23:43, James Heilman ha scritto:
On Dec 28th 2015 I was removed from the board of the Wikimedia Foundation.
Many thanks to all those who gave me their support during the last
election. I have worked in the last six month to honor the trust placed in
me by advocating for our va
Dr James, thank you for your work in Wikimedia governance (and for that
matter, management so far.) I really hope a full, thoughtful, and
defensible statement in support of his decision will be coming from the
rest of the board shortly. I'm a little bit disturbed to see a respected
community mem
>
> On Dec 28th 2015 I was removed from the board of the Wikimedia Foundation.
I don't know the reason. . . anyway, good wishes.:)
On 29 December 2015 at 04:13, James Heilman wrote:
> On Dec 28th 2015 I was removed from the board of the Wikimedia Foundation.
> Many thanks to all those who gave
On Dec 28th 2015 I was removed from the board of the Wikimedia Foundation.
Many thanks to all those who gave me their support during the last
election. I have worked in the last six month to honor the trust placed in
me by advocating for our values, communities, and projects.
Sincerely
James Heilm
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Henning Schlottmann wrote:
> Switching dead links to the archive is a move to a dead end, instead of
> looking for
>
> a) the new correct URL, as many links were just moved.
> b) alternative sources for the same fact.
>
An automated process can't reliably do eit
Deadlinks are one of the most common ways of spamming Wikipedia. Paid
editors replace deadlinks with links to the spam site which now contains
the contain as it way copied from waybackmachine. Linking to waybackmachine
is thus superior.
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MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
The Wikipedia Open
I got it to work on Ubuntu 14.04 by approximately this method. It's
INCREDIBLY long winded, you have to download about a gigabyte of stuff
from Microsoft, one file didn't exist at the listed download site any
more and I had to get a questionable copy off someone's "saved stuff"
web directory, and a
I have also managed to make it work under Wine on Ubuntu in the past, but I
would stress: this is a HIGHLY frustrating process, it requires many rounds
of updates and incantations that add up to literally hours of work. I would
not encourage anyone to do it unless they are BOTH already familiar wit
Yes, that's right, Wine, Q4Wine and PlayonLinux don't work.
On 28 December 2015 at 16:09, Fæ wrote:
> It's been several years since I used AWB for anything serious, precisely
> because it only runs under Windows.
>
> The conventional advice is to run it in a windows emulator, such as Wine,
> Par
On 16.12.2015 21:12, Danny Horn wrote:
> #1. Migrate dead links to the Wayback Machine (111 support votes)
I really hope, you don't follow that wish, as it is detrimental to the
quality of Wikipedia.
Switching dead links to the archive is a move to a dead end, instead of
looking for
a) the new
Well the chances of me being firebombed while on vacation in the states are
probably higher than me being firebombed for editing Wikipedia, but that
still doesn't mean we need to worry about changing the wiki model. I guess
I have lost the thread of your point entirely now.
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Jane Darnell wrote:
> All I said is that the wiki way works, that's all. You can't hide it when
> someone tries to take over a project, and that is the reason we shouldn't
> try to anticipate that with convoluted strategies. "Assume Good Faith" will
> always win o
"Assume good faith" is actually what got Kazakh Wikipedia into the mess it
is in. Wikimedia projects have been blocked by governments practically
since their inception. Perverting the content is the new way of doing
things. They've learned from the PR and SEO industries.
And that leads us back to
All I said is that the wiki way works, that's all. You can't hide it when
someone tries to take over a project, and that is the reason we shouldn't
try to anticipate that with convoluted strategies. "Assume Good Faith" will
always win out over any strange misguided takeover strategy, which is why
g
Hi Shlomi,
I would suggest posting those questions on the talk page of the article,
and/or at WP:RSN.
Pine
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 8:50 AM, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> in case you don't know, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeCell is a
> single-player card game, that became popular after
On 28 December 2015 at 11:22, Jane Darnell wrote:
> Anyone can exploit the content on WMF for their needs. What I mean by "it
> works" is that you can't fool people when you try to change Wikipedia to
> fit government policy. We can easily identify problematic edits. Never
> underestimate the dia
Hi all,
in case you don't know, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeCell is a
single-player card game, that became popular after being included in
some versions of Microsoft Windows. Now, the English Wikipedia entry about it
used to contain during at least two times in the past, some relatively shor
Anyone can exploit the content on WMF for their needs. What I mean by "it
works" is that you can't fool people when you try to change Wikipedia to
fit government policy. We can easily identify problematic edits. Never
underestimate the diaspora of any country. Wikimedia is always bigger than
any on
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Jane Darnell wrote:
> If anything, the Kazakh thing just proves that the wiki model works. No
> shame in that. It's probably why the Chinese are blocking Wikipedia and not
> embracing it. You can't hide your propaganda, even from your own people.
>
Jane,
You d
Hey folks :)
I'll be doing another office hour to talk about all things Wikidata.
As usual I'll give an overview of the past 3 months and what's ahead.
It'll be in #wikimedia-office on Freenode. It'll be on January 21st at
17:00 UTC. For your timezone please see
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldcl
If anything, the Kazakh thing just proves that the wiki model works. No
shame in that. It's probably why the Chinese are blocking Wikipedia and not
embracing it. You can't hide your propaganda, even from your own people.
As far as the compilation of Christmas songs goes, the list of songs is not
c
I have recently been able to make it work under WINE, and have updated the
documentation page accordingly[1]. It did take a series of winetricks(1)
incantations to get it to work. It's quite brittle. In particular, make
sure you're specifying WINARCH=32.
A.
[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/in
Pete,
Thanks. Comments interspersed below.
On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote:
>
> I'd say the better question, is "what legal or moral right would we call
> upon to *insist* on having the same for Wikidata?" If we had a clear answer
> to that one, it would really move forward;
I used to use AWB for lists but now I am running on a Mac so I don't have
it anymore. I still can generate lists with Catscan though, so you may want
to check that tool out if you haven't already.
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Tito Dutta wrote:
> In last 2 years I have contacted every help s
It's been several years since I used AWB for anything serious, precisely
because it only runs under Windows.
The conventional advice is to run it in a windows emulator, such as Wine,
Parallels or Virtualbox. Folks talk about porting it, but I suspect this
will never happen.
Fae
On 28 Dec 2015 10:
In last 2 years I have contacted every help section from AWB talk page,
Ubuntu help forum etc.
Trying this medium as well:
Can someone tell me how to use AWB on Ubuntu?
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