Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-10 Thread Amir Sarabadani
I just want to say while I agree IMO there's a growing disconnect in some
parts of WMF with the communities but it's not happening here. In fact it's
also the other way around. Some people in communities and some communities
in general have been growing too disconnected from the framework they are
working in. In the past two weeks I had to go head to head to two
communities on my volunteer developer/sysadmin role and I had to explain no
matter the consensus, you can't enable an extension that would bring down
(literally) not just your wiki but also 900 other ones or ban IP editing
which is widely considered against founding principles of Wikimedia.

Communities are self-governed but they have limits, you can't change the
privacy policy and give admins access to IP, you can't change copyright
policy or terms of use and I don't see any problem with adding one more
framework to make sure we would have a healthier movement (Each community
IMO should build on top of UCoC and won't just rely on it for conduct
policies but this would be the least, the base, the foundation, ..., you
get the idea). Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 11:45 AM Asaf Bartov  wrote:

> As you can see, Dan, your choice of imagery, appreciated and encouraged in
> less buttoned-up journalism, is offensive to some subscribers here.  Your
> strong criticism of the Foundation, on the other hand, is perfectly
> acceptable.
>
> As a professional wordsmith, I am confident you can continue to voice this
> criticism while employing milder imagery, or indeed dispensing with
> figurative language entirely.
>
> A.
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:31 PM Dan Szymborski 
> wrote:
>
> > I am absolutely flabbergasted that a generic reference of an organization
> > to flatulence, something we see in rated-G television isn't considered
> > "collegial" enough yet the actions that the WMF has taken over the last
> 18
> > months, many of which were pushed by people on this list *are* considered
> > collegial.
> >
> > If a joke that would be appropriate for a four-year-old leads to special
> > moderation, what action ought be taken for someone on the list pushing
> the
> > failure of a collaborative process that WMF is foisting upon the
> community?
> > One of the people "doth protesting too much" about the reference is also
> > someone banned from English Wikipedia for a whole litany of *actual*
> things
> > that took up countless hours of community time, including making legal
> > threats based on finding offense in normal Wikipedia actions.
> >
> > I am a longtime, accredited journalist, possibly even slightly respected
> in
> > the field -- though there's always that risk of Dunning-Kruger -- who has
> > written for a ton of outlets and there's not an editor in the world that
> > I've worked with who would've asked me to change the *very* gentle
> wording.
> > If anything, I was too mild. *I'm* grossly offended by the WMF's actions
> > over the last 18 months. *I'm* grossly offended by the perversion of a
> free
> > information movement being converted into a third-tier social media app.
> > *I'm* grossly offended by board policies that empower the vested, the
> > connected, the politically adept to judge the weak and the voiceless.
> *I'm*
> > grossly offended by the people here who cheerfully announce the board
> > arbitrarily changing board terms or that the community has no actual say
> in
> > what the *community* (not the board) built. The Wiki movement is far
> bigger
> > than the WMF; which is a good thing because I can't imagine it being
> > smaller than the board's self-dealing petty bourgeoisie affair.
> >
> > No, I didn't mean petit.
> >
> > Yet I don't call for anyone to be silenced because, well, disagreeing
> > vigorously is what adults are able to do.
> >
> > It matters not if this message is censored by the list overlords. One of
> > the few benefits of being a journalist is that combination of
> > self-righteousness and having myriad ways to prevent an opinion from
> being
> > suppressed on dubious grounds.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 2:55 AM Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l <
> > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > A code of conduct id something many of us have asked the WMF to write
> for
> > > many years. We are asking the WMF to take an active part in stopping
> > > abusive behaviors in our community.
> > >
> > > On fr wiki, many admins say they are tired of conflicts and that they
> did
> > > not enroll to deal with them. A code of conduct could help then take
> > action
> > > because it offers a frame.
> > >
> > > This is COMPLETELY different with the branding process.
> > >
> > > We are one of the few projects in the open source world without a code
> of
> > > conduct.
> > >
> > > So thank you for this draft, thank you for opening up for discussions,
> > and
> > > I hope the language will remain respectful.
> > >
> > > I believe moderators 

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Chat

2020-08-29 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Hello,
Due to the current situation, there are more and more collaborations
happening online instead. and now you can see Wikimedia-related discussion
groups in Slack, Discord, Telegram, Facebook, and many more. Besides being
scattered and inaccessible to people who don't have accounts in those
platforms (for privacy reasons for example), these platforms use
proprietary and closed-source software, are outside Wikimedia
infrastructure and some harvest our personal data for profit.

IRC on freenode is a good alternative but it lacks basic functionalities of
a modern chat platform. So we created Wikimedia Chat, a mattermost instance
in Wikimedia Cloud. Compared to IRC, you have:
* Ability to scrollback and read messages when you were offline
* Push notification and email notification
* You don't need to get a cloak to hide your IP from others
* Proper support for sharing media
* Two factor authentication
* A proper mobile app support
* Ability to add custom emojis (yes, it's extremely important)
* Profile pictures
* Ability to ping everyone with @here
* much much more.

You can use Wikimedia Chat by going to https://chat.wmcloud.org, anyone can
make an account. This is part of Wikimedia Social suite [1], the oher
similar project is "Wikimedia Meet". [2]

Some notes:
* This is done in my volunteer capacity and has been maintained by a group
of volunteers. If you're willing to join the team (either technical or
enforcing CoC, kicking out spammers, other daily work), drop me a message.
* Privacy policy of Wikimedia Cloud applies: https://w.wiki/aQW
* As a result, all messages older than 90 days get automatically deleted.
* As a Wikimedia Cloud project, all of discussions, private and public are
covered by Code of conduct in technical spaces:  https://w.wiki/AK$

Hope that would be useful for you, if you encounter any technical issues,
file a bug in the phabricator.

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Social_Suite
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Institutional memory @ WMF

2020-08-25 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Hey,
Can you elaborate what happened? if It's public of course. It's hard to
understand the problem without proper context.

Is it https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T261133 ?

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 10:52 PM Strainu  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> It seems the WMF is going through another crisis of institutional
> memory, with the T team taking center stage. It's not really
> important what they did wrong, it's minor compared with other faux-pas
> they did in the past.
>
> I was wondering though if the organization as a whole has learned
> anything from major crisis in the past and if there is a formal way of
> passing to newcomers information such as when and how to contact
> communities, what's the difference between a wiki, a community and an
> affiliate etc.?
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid API?

2020-07-09 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Thanks Joseph for the links. It's more clear now.

I think I need to clarify something: I'm not against asking the big corps
to pay. If they are using a significant amount of our computational
resources (=donors money) to make even more money, they should pay. And
thank you for improving the movement's financial security. I don't oppose
the general idea.

That being said, what worries me are the details:
* WMF is creating a company (LLC) and contracts that company, this means
less transparency. This is the first time I think in the history of the
foundation AFAIK that WMF is creating a company for legal reasons (I'm
sorry if I missed anything).
* That company is contracting another company for engineering work (even
less transparency). We have lots of engineering resources at WMF.
* As the result, for the first time, code produced by donors money is
closed source and inaccessible to public (or at least I couldn't find the
code linked anywhere)
* I find it ethically wrong to use AWS, even if you can't host it in WMF
for legal reasons, why not another cloud provider.
* There wasn't a period for giving feedback for example about the choice of
cloud provider or anything, suddenly it came out ready. The rumors about it
have been going around for months.
* This has not been communicated properly to the community, I find this
lack of communication and transparency concerning and insulting.

Hope what I'm saying here makes sense.

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 7:02 PM Todd Allen  wrote:

> I tend to agree with this. I'm one of the first to criticize WMF when they
> deserve it (I wish they didn't as often!), but I see nothing wrong with
> consumers of huge amounts of data being asked to chip in to cover the costs
> of providing it. That is, of course, provided that there is never any fee
> for use of the API for users of data in regular amounts, but every plan
> I've seen thus far accommodates that.
>
> Todd
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 7:15 AM Ad Huikeshoven  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Great news: the WMF is going to charge the tech giants for using the API
> > millions of times each day. Nothing in the free licenses we use obligate
> us
> > (that is we in our movement) to provide an API for free as in beer. It is
> > part of KAAS: Knowledge As A Service, part of the strategic direction
> > chosen in 2017.
> >
> > Thanks for your understanding,
> >
> > Ad Huikeshoven
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 8:33 PM Amir Sarabadani 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > > Today I stumbled upon this public phabricator ticket [1] created by
> > someone
> > > from WMF starting with:
> > > "My team is creating bi-weekly HTML Dumps for all of the wikis, except
> > for
> > > wikidata as part of the paid API project."
> > >
> > > I have so many questions:
> > >  - What is the "paid API" project? Are we planning to make money out of
> > our
> > > API? Now are we selling our dumps?
> > >  - If so, why is this not communicated before? Why are we kept in the
> > dark?
> > >  - Does the board know and approve it?
> > >  - How is this going to align with our core values like openness and
> > > transparency?
> > >  - The ticket implicitly says these are going to be stored on AWS ("S3
> > > bucket"). Is this thought through? Specially the ethical problems of
> > > feeding Jeff Bezos' empire? (If you have seen this episode of Hasan
> > > Minhaj's on ethical issues of using AWS [2]). Why can't we do/host this
> > on
> > > Wikimedia infrastructure? Has this been evaluated?
> > >  - Why is the community not consulted about this?
> > >
> > > Maybe I missed announcements, consultations or anything, forgive me for
> > my
> > > ignorance. Any pointers is enough. I also understand diversifying our
> > > revenue is a good tool for rainy days but a consultation with the
> > community
> > > wouldn't be too bad.
> > >
> > > [1]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T254275
> > > [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5maXvZ5fyQY
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-06 Thread Amir Sarabadani
I understand but my question is "why". There is no other volunteer group
that has a private policy. How is it different from CU and OS?

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 11:56 PM Jonatan Svensson Glad <
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> At the bottom of https://otrs-wiki.wikimedia.org/ you can see that there
> is a link called "Confidentiality notice” <
> https://otrs-wiki.wikimedia.org/wiki/Project:General_disclaimer>. What is
> stated in that confidentiality notice is also confidential, since it is
> located on the wiki. But https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/L45 is the
> actual agreement singed by OTRS agents to gain access ot he OTRS software
> and the wiki.
>
> It is also stated in the footer of https://otrs-wiki.wikimedia.org/:
> "Please be aware that this is a private wiki, so content should not be
> shared externally.”
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-06 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Hello,
This is the first time that I heard that the rules and policies of a
volunteer body are confidential. As a CU and OS we don't have any
confidential policy (confidential data, sure)

Can you elaborate more?

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 7:52 PM Jonatan Svensson Glad <
gladjona...@outlook.com> wrote:

> Some quick non-answer (better knows as !answers):
>
> 1. what are OTRS' rules and policies?
> I’m unable to answer this due to the Confidentiality Agreement all OTRS
> agents sign.  Any and all
> information on the OTRS wiki is private. OTRS wiki is used as a private
> workspace restricted to Wikimedia Foundation staff, chapter
> representatives, and Volunteer Response Team members, and is is strictly
> confidential.
>
> 2. where are those rules and policies documented, and why are they not
> public?
> All rules and policies not stored on a local wiki (Commons, enwp, etc.) or
> Meta are stored on the OTRS wiki . Why,
> if any rules or policies posted on OTRS wiki, are not public, I’m unable to
> answer this due to the Confidentiality Agreement all OTRS agents sign.
>
> 3. where are those rules and policies discussed and decided?
> If not discussed publicly on a local wiki (Commons, enwp, etc.) or Meta,
> they can be discussed on e.g. the Café on the OTRS wiki <
> http://otrs-wiki.wikimedia.org> or on the mailing list. Or, I guess, by
> ”decree" by WMF.
>
> 4. what is the process for getting those rules and policies changed (or
> reworded for clarity)?
> I’m unable to answer this due to the Confidentiality Agreement all OTRS
> agents sign.
>
> 5. how is OTRS overseen, and who by?
> OTRS has 9 ”OTRS admins” <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTRS#OTRS_administrators>. I believe OTRS
> falls under the Communications committee’s purview, and perhaps T
>
> 6. what is the approval process for an individual to become an OTRS agent?
> Please see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTRS/Volunteering.
>
> 7. what is the process for the community to remove an individual’s OTRS
> permissions, if they fail to uphold or abide by policy?
> I do not know the answer to this question.
>
> 8. if an individual has been acting contrary to policy, what is the
> process for reviewing and if necessary overturning their past actions
> (including contacting and apologising to their correspondents)?
> I’m unable to answer this due to the Confidentiality Agreement all OTRS
> agents sign.
>
> 9. which individuals can make someone an OTRS agent, or remove their
> permissions?
> OTRS admins .
>
> 10. how are the individuals in #9 appointed and overseen?
> I do not know the answer to this question.
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia servers

2020-06-29 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Africa's traffic goes to Amsterdam datacenter (even South Africa)[1], if
that datacenter had issues, Europe would go dark too.

I bring it up with people.

[1]: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Clusters

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 4:41 PM Joseph Seddon  wrote:

> From reports I am seeing on facebook it seems this problem is localised on
> our Africa based users?
>
> Regards
> Seddon
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 3:05 PM Peter Southwood <
> peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
> > I get this:
> >
> > The connection has timed out
> >
> > The server at en.wikipedia.org is taking too long to respond.
> >
> > The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a
> > few moments.
> > If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer’s network
> > connection.
> > If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy, make
> > sure that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.
> >
> > After a long wait. Been like this for several hours now.
> > Most sites no problem
> > Cheers,
> > P
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> > Behalf Of Amir Sarabadani
> > Sent: 29 June 2020 15:31
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia servers
> >
> > Hey,
> > Can you elaborate more? I can access the website and graphs seems okay:
> >
> >
> https://grafana.wikimedia.org/d/RIA1lzDZk/application-servers-red-dashboard?orgId=1=now-3h=now
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 3:24 PM Peter Southwood <
> > peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Is anyone else unable to get through to the Wikimedia servers?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Peter
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia servers

2020-06-29 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Thanks.
Can you please file a bug using this instructions?
https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reporting_a_connectivity_issue
(If you can't access it:
https://wikitech-static.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reporting_a_connectivity_issue)
(If you can't access even that:
https://web.archive.org/web/20190620092417/https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reporting_a_connectivity_issue
)

Best

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 4:05 PM Peter Southwood <
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

> I get this:
>
> The connection has timed out
>
> The server at en.wikipedia.org is taking too long to respond.
>
> The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a
> few moments.
> If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer’s network
> connection.
> If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy, make
> sure that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.
>
> After a long wait. Been like this for several hours now.
> Most sites no problem
> Cheers,
> P
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf Of Amir Sarabadani
> Sent: 29 June 2020 15:31
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia servers
>
> Hey,
> Can you elaborate more? I can access the website and graphs seems okay:
>
> https://grafana.wikimedia.org/d/RIA1lzDZk/application-servers-red-dashboard?orgId=1=now-3h=now
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 3:24 PM Peter Southwood <
> peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
> > Is anyone else unable to get through to the Wikimedia servers?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Peter
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia servers

2020-06-29 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Hey,
Can you elaborate more? I can access the website and graphs seems okay:
https://grafana.wikimedia.org/d/RIA1lzDZk/application-servers-red-dashboard?orgId=1=now-3h=now

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 3:24 PM Peter Southwood <
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> Is anyone else unable to get through to the Wikimedia servers?
>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid API?

2020-06-14 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Thanks for the pointers, I personally disagree with some parts of it (e.g.
Twitter is a company and we are an NGO) BUT since it passed the community
consultation (and I somehow missed it to raise my feedback), I don't want
to be vocal about the high level reasoning behind the project.

What I would extremely appreciate is more transparent communication to the
community about such large changes (especially sooner). Something like a
two-line text on a phabricator has lots of potential for misunderstanding.

Thanks again.

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 9:44 PM James Heilman  wrote:

> Further details are forthcoming from WMF staff.
>
> J
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 1:42 PM James Heilman  wrote:
>
> > Was discussed here
> >
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Iteration_1/Revenue_Streams/1
> >
> > and
> >
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Iteration_1/Revenue_Streams/1
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 1:37 PM Yair Rand  wrote:
> >
> >> The strategy recommendations include the text: "Explore fees or
> >> sustainability models for enterprise-scale commercial reusers, taking
> care
> >> to avoid revenue dependencies or other undue external influence in
> product
> >> design and development. / Develop appropriate safeguards to ensure
> >> continued free, unrestricted access for non-commercial, research, and
> >> small
> >> to moderate commercial use." Earlier versions elaborate somewhat, and
> >> there
> >> were considerable reservations expressed about the idea during the
> >> process.
> >>
> >> It is quite concerning.
> >>
> >> -- Yair Rand
> >>
> >> ‫בתאריך יום א׳, 14 ביוני 2020 ב-14:33 מאת ‪Amir Sarabadani‬‏ <‪
> >> ladsgr...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬
> >>
> >> > Hello,
> >> > Today I stumbled upon this public phabricator ticket [1] created by
> >> someone
> >> > from WMF starting with:
> >> > "My team is creating bi-weekly HTML Dumps for all of the wikis, except
> >> for
> >> > wikidata as part of the paid API project."
> >> >
> >> > I have so many questions:
> >> >  - What is the "paid API" project? Are we planning to make money out
> of
> >> our
> >> > API? Now are we selling our dumps?
> >> >  - If so, why is this not communicated before? Why are we kept in the
> >> dark?
> >> >  - Does the board know and approve it?
> >> >  - How is this going to align with our core values like openness and
> >> > transparency?
> >> >  - The ticket implicitly says these are going to be stored on AWS ("S3
> >> > bucket"). Is this thought through? Specially the ethical problems of
> >> > feeding Jeff Bezos' empire? (If you have seen this episode of Hasan
> >> > Minhaj's on ethical issues of using AWS [2]). Why can't we do/host
> this
> >> on
> >> > Wikimedia infrastructure? Has this been evaluated?
> >> >  - Why is the community not consulted about this?
> >> >
> >> > Maybe I missed announcements, consultations or anything, forgive me
> for
> >> my
> >> > ignorance. Any pointers is enough. I also understand diversifying our
> >> > revenue is a good tool for rainy days but a consultation with the
> >> community
> >> > wouldn't be too bad.
> >> >
> >> > [1]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T254275
> >> > [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5maXvZ5fyQY
> >> >
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[Wikimedia-l] Paid API?

2020-06-14 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Hello,
Today I stumbled upon this public phabricator ticket [1] created by someone
from WMF starting with:
"My team is creating bi-weekly HTML Dumps for all of the wikis, except for
wikidata as part of the paid API project."

I have so many questions:
 - What is the "paid API" project? Are we planning to make money out of our
API? Now are we selling our dumps?
 - If so, why is this not communicated before? Why are we kept in the dark?
 - Does the board know and approve it?
 - How is this going to align with our core values like openness and
transparency?
 - The ticket implicitly says these are going to be stored on AWS ("S3
bucket"). Is this thought through? Specially the ethical problems of
feeding Jeff Bezos' empire? (If you have seen this episode of Hasan
Minhaj's on ethical issues of using AWS [2]). Why can't we do/host this on
Wikimedia infrastructure? Has this been evaluated?
 - Why is the community not consulted about this?

Maybe I missed announcements, consultations or anything, forgive me for my
ignorance. Any pointers is enough. I also understand diversifying our
revenue is a good tool for rainy days but a consultation with the community
wouldn't be too bad.

[1]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T254275
[2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5maXvZ5fyQY

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [foundation-optional] Etherpad upgrade and a new skin

2020-05-19 Thread Amir Sarabadani
This is awesome. It looks amazing. Thank you for doing this. Mobile support
is improved drastically too.

Thanks.

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 12:50 PM Erica Litrenta 
wrote:

> Thanks Alexandros!
> I am assuming this is about our own instance - I made
> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/TestNewUI to check what's new.
>
> HTH,
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 12:28 PM Alexandros Kosiaris <
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>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I normally don't send out emails like this when we upgrade etherpad,
> > but 1.8.4 (which we just upgraded to), has brought in a UI change (one
> > that was introduced in 1.8.3) which, in my opinion, warrants a heads
> > up so that people aren't caught off guard. Etherpad-lite now has had a
> > new skin and that's what you will experience while using it. There's
> > also a number of other changes, you can have a quick look at
> > https://github.com/ether/etherpad-lite/blob/develop/CHANGELOG.md if
> > you are interested.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia Meet

2020-05-07 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Hey,
Unfortunately, this is the way the authentication of jitsi work and I don't
have much control over it, the only thing I can find is enabling "guest
access"
> If guest access is enabled, unauthenticated users will need to wait until
a user authenticates before they can join a room. If guest access is not
enabled, every user will need to authenticate before they can join.

Also, I recommand you treat your user/pass like a wifi password (you can
create more accounts for groups instead of sharing yours), share it but
don't put in public places.

Best

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 7:13 PM Tony Thomas <01tonytho...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Amir (and team),
>
> Is there an option to make it require username/password to create a meeting
> and not join ?
>
> Like, I can share the link around and post it publicly and people can join
> ? Right now, I have to share my username/password which sounds a bit weird
> (and people might be able to create meetings too with those) ?
>
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> --
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 4:40 PM Amir Sarabadani 
> wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> > A quick update. In order to improve its security, from now on,
> > ticketmasters don't need to know your username and password (and don't
> send
> > them your desired username and password anymore). You ask them a token
> and
> > they generate you an one-time-use token for you and then you can use that
> > in https://meet-auth.wmflabs.org/create to create your account for
> > yourself.
> >
> > Stay safe, stay home.
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 1:11 AM Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l <
> > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >
> > >  I told so many times WMF should support infrastructure for the
> > > volunteers, so thank you very much for this step in that direction.
> > > A.M.
> > >
> > > Il domenica 26 aprile 2020, 01:08:01 CEST, Tito Dutta <
> > > trulyt...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> > >
> > >  Hello,
> > > That's super great news. I definitely want to try it. Thanks a lot for
> > > working on this.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Tito Dutta
> > > Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to
> > remind
> > > me over email or phone call.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 01:57, Amir Sarabadani 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey,
> > > > "Wikimedia Meet" [0] (https://meet.wmcloud.org), is a project in
> > > Wikimedia
> > > > CloudVPS for Wikimedians to meet virtually instead of using
> commercial
> > > > services like Zoom which might have security and privacy implications
> > > > [1][2]. Currently it's a jitsi (jitsi.org) installation.
> > > >
> > > > If you want to just use/test it, let me know and I create you a user
> > and
> > > > password. You can share the username and password with anyone you
> want
> > to
> > > > meet but please do not post it publicly. In your email you can also
> > give
> > > me
> > > > your desired user and password. **Do not reuse any password**. You
> can
> > > also
> > > > contact any of the ticketmasters instead of me:
> > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet#List_of_ticketmasters
> > > >
> > > > In order to make this project more robust, I'm looking for
> > Ticketmasters
> > > > too, Ticketmasters create accounts for others (It doesn't require any
> > > > technical knowledge, you fill a form in web for others)
> > > >
> > > > If you want to help maintaining it (which would be greatly
> appreciated)
> > > let
> > > > me know and I give you the needed access. I put the technical
> > > documentation
> > > > in mediawiki.org [3]. There are several bits you can help with, like
> > > > puppetizing it, scalability, observability, improving authentication,
> > > > trying to see if BBB can be used as well, and so much more. You can
> > find
> > > > the tickets in the phabricator board and assign a ticket to yourself
> if
> > > you
> > > > feel like helping out.
> > > >
> > > > [0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet
> > > > [1] https://blogs.harvard.edu/doc/2020/03/27/zoom/
> > > > [2]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/02/zoom-technology-security-c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Meet

2020-04-26 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Hey,
A quick update. In order to improve its security, from now on,
ticketmasters don't need to know your username and password (and don't send
them your desired username and password anymore). You ask them a token and
they generate you an one-time-use token for you and then you can use that
in https://meet-auth.wmflabs.org/create to create your account for yourself.

Stay safe, stay home.

On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 1:11 AM Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:

>  I told so many times WMF should support infrastructure for the
> volunteers, so thank you very much for this step in that direction.
> A.M.
>
> Il domenica 26 aprile 2020, 01:08:01 CEST, Tito Dutta <
> trulyt...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>  Hello,
> That's super great news. I definitely want to try it. Thanks a lot for
> working on this.
>
> Thanks
> Tito Dutta
> Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to remind
> me over email or phone call.
>
>
> On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 01:57, Amir Sarabadani  wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> > "Wikimedia Meet" [0] (https://meet.wmcloud.org), is a project in
> Wikimedia
> > CloudVPS for Wikimedians to meet virtually instead of using commercial
> > services like Zoom which might have security and privacy implications
> > [1][2]. Currently it's a jitsi (jitsi.org) installation.
> >
> > If you want to just use/test it, let me know and I create you a user and
> > password. You can share the username and password with anyone you want to
> > meet but please do not post it publicly. In your email you can also give
> me
> > your desired user and password. **Do not reuse any password**. You can
> also
> > contact any of the ticketmasters instead of me:
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet#List_of_ticketmasters
> >
> > In order to make this project more robust, I'm looking for Ticketmasters
> > too, Ticketmasters create accounts for others (It doesn't require any
> > technical knowledge, you fill a form in web for others)
> >
> > If you want to help maintaining it (which would be greatly appreciated)
> let
> > me know and I give you the needed access. I put the technical
> documentation
> > in mediawiki.org [3]. There are several bits you can help with, like
> > puppetizing it, scalability, observability, improving authentication,
> > trying to see if BBB can be used as well, and so much more. You can find
> > the tickets in the phabricator board and assign a ticket to yourself if
> you
> > feel like helping out.
> >
> > [0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet
> > [1] https://blogs.harvard.edu/doc/2020/03/27/zoom/
> > [2]
> >
> >
> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/02/zoom-technology-security-coronavirus-video-conferencing
> > [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet
> >
> > Hope that would be useful for our users :)
> > Best
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Meet

2020-04-25 Thread Amir Sarabadani
I proofread the email several times and still managed to miss an important
point:

This installation is not large and currently, it wouldn't be able to handle
100 people. It worked fine with 10 people in a meeting but not much more
than that. So please be mindful in using this resource.

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 10:26 PM Amir Sarabadani 
wrote:

> Hey,
> "Wikimedia Meet" [0] (https://meet.wmcloud.org), is a project in
> Wikimedia CloudVPS for Wikimedians to meet virtually instead of using
> commercial services like Zoom which might have security and privacy
> implications [1][2]. Currently it's a jitsi (jitsi.org) installation.
>
> If you want to just use/test it, let me know and I create you a user and
> password. You can share the username and password with anyone you want to
> meet but please do not post it publicly. In your email you can also give me
> your desired user and password. **Do not reuse any password**. You can also
> contact any of the ticketmasters instead of me:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet#List_of_ticketmasters
>
> In order to make this project more robust, I'm looking for Ticketmasters
> too, Ticketmasters create accounts for others (It doesn't require any
> technical knowledge, you fill a form in web for others)
>
> If you want to help maintaining it (which would be greatly appreciated)
> let me know and I give you the needed access. I put the technical
> documentation in mediawiki.org [3]. There are several bits you can help
> with, like puppetizing it, scalability, observability, improving
> authentication, trying to see if BBB can be used as well, and so much more.
> You can find the tickets in the phabricator board and assign a ticket to
> yourself if you feel like helping out.
>
> [0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet
> [1] https://blogs.harvard.edu/doc/2020/03/27/zoom/
> [2]
> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/02/zoom-technology-security-coronavirus-video-conferencing
> [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet
>
> Hope that would be useful for our users :)
> Best
> --
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>
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Meet

2020-04-25 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Hey,
"Wikimedia Meet" [0] (https://meet.wmcloud.org), is a project in Wikimedia
CloudVPS for Wikimedians to meet virtually instead of using commercial
services like Zoom which might have security and privacy implications
[1][2]. Currently it's a jitsi (jitsi.org) installation.

If you want to just use/test it, let me know and I create you a user and
password. You can share the username and password with anyone you want to
meet but please do not post it publicly. In your email you can also give me
your desired user and password. **Do not reuse any password**. You can also
contact any of the ticketmasters instead of me:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet#List_of_ticketmasters

In order to make this project more robust, I'm looking for Ticketmasters
too, Ticketmasters create accounts for others (It doesn't require any
technical knowledge, you fill a form in web for others)

If you want to help maintaining it (which would be greatly appreciated) let
me know and I give you the needed access. I put the technical documentation
in mediawiki.org [3]. There are several bits you can help with, like
puppetizing it, scalability, observability, improving authentication,
trying to see if BBB can be used as well, and so much more. You can find
the tickets in the phabricator board and assign a ticket to yourself if you
feel like helping out.

[0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet
[1] https://blogs.harvard.edu/doc/2020/03/27/zoom/
[2]
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/02/zoom-technology-security-coronavirus-video-conferencing
[3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet

Hope that would be useful for our users :)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-01-18 Thread Amir Sarabadani
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 4:50 PM Pine W  wrote:
>
> > I think that it's time for some people in WMF to move on. Without having
> > access to WMF internal discussions


So what you're saying is that you don't have lots of information on how
it's decided [1] but you still feel informed enough to at least fire "some
people". Isn't it harassment? How would you feel if I come to your
workplace (assuming you're an employee) and tell everyone you should be
fired based on something I disagree with?

It doesn't mean you can't criticise the contract, the rebranding work or
any other WMF project. But criticising like this would just defy your
purpose. I hope moderators of this mailing list take action.

[1] e.g. Are you sure the board hasn't approved this?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The wikisites looks like 1996

2019-12-11 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Do you know about
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements ?

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:48 PM John Erling Blad  wrote:

> Could we please update them with a slightly more up-to-date skin?
>
> Take a look at our Norwegian competitor in the lexicon field.
> https://snl.no/kunstig_intelligens
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising needs your help

2019-11-27 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Sorry two more things:
 - We don't collect user's data like a monster, we never sell them to
anyone, we even avoid outsourcing our infra (like CDNs) to protect our
users' privacy. Something that is none of top websites do. None.
 - Related to the reason above, CO2 emission of our datacenters is very
small and non-existent comparing to website with similar traffic.

Best

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 11:34 PM Amir Sarabadani 
wrote:

> On the great things:
>  - There are so many forms of volunteer contribution, you don't need to be
> an expert to be able to contribute to English Wikipedia (how can I
> contribute, everything is there already). You can fight vandalism, you can
> take pictures, you can write code, you can help other languages.
>  - In less developed countries, in depth-reading of Wikipedia is more
> prevalent, the likely explanation is that in lack of resources we take for
> granted in Europe/US, people turn to Wikipedia to learn and develop
>
> This is not great fact but it's sorta funny how extensively we cover
> everything. Last week I learned Wikipedia even has list of people who died
> on the toilet:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_died_on_the_toilet
>
> HTH
>
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 11:25 PM Aboubacar Keïta 
> wrote:
>
>> Bonjour et merci du message
>>
>> J'aimerais vivement que les pays du sud ont plus de moyens financiers pour
>> réaliser des projets concrètement.
>>
>> Le financement des concours baisse, mais la couverture des objectifs de
>> ces
>> concours reste quasiment incomplet en Afrique.
>>
>> Exemple Wiki Loves Monuments, en Guinée 99% des sites sont ni illustré sur
>> Wikipédia en articles, ni en image sur commons mais qu'on supprime le
>> financement pour les longues voyages diminuer nos forces d'améliorer
>> qualitativement les articles Wikipédia vue qu'on a moins de bénévoles
>> encore.
>>
>> Vivement une relativisation des ressources en fonction de l'avancée des
>> projets et plus de douceur dans l'obtention des subventions.
>>
>> Le mer. 27 nov. 2019 à 22:08, Joseph Seddon  a
>> écrit :
>>
>> > Hey all,
>> >
>> > (reposting due to filter rejection)
>> >
>> >
>> > Fundraising are looking for ideas and suggestions for our writing team
>> to
>> > explore for our messaging in this years fundraiser. I only need a
>> minute of
>> > your time to answer the following question:
>> >
>> >
>> > --- What’s your favorite thing about Wikipedia that you wish our readers
>> > and donors knew? ---
>> >
>> >
>> > We'll use the responses to generate new test ideas
>> >
>> > Post your answers on list or directly to me :) Thanks in advance
>> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising needs your help

2019-11-27 Thread Amir Sarabadani
On the great things:
 - There are so many forms of volunteer contribution, you don't need to be
an expert to be able to contribute to English Wikipedia (how can I
contribute, everything is there already). You can fight vandalism, you can
take pictures, you can write code, you can help other languages.
 - In less developed countries, in depth-reading of Wikipedia is more
prevalent, the likely explanation is that in lack of resources we take for
granted in Europe/US, people turn to Wikipedia to learn and develop

This is not great fact but it's sorta funny how extensively we cover
everything. Last week I learned Wikipedia even has list of people who died
on the toilet:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_died_on_the_toilet

HTH

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 11:25 PM Aboubacar Keïta 
wrote:

> Bonjour et merci du message
>
> J'aimerais vivement que les pays du sud ont plus de moyens financiers pour
> réaliser des projets concrètement.
>
> Le financement des concours baisse, mais la couverture des objectifs de ces
> concours reste quasiment incomplet en Afrique.
>
> Exemple Wiki Loves Monuments, en Guinée 99% des sites sont ni illustré sur
> Wikipédia en articles, ni en image sur commons mais qu'on supprime le
> financement pour les longues voyages diminuer nos forces d'améliorer
> qualitativement les articles Wikipédia vue qu'on a moins de bénévoles
> encore.
>
> Vivement une relativisation des ressources en fonction de l'avancée des
> projets et plus de douceur dans l'obtention des subventions.
>
> Le mer. 27 nov. 2019 à 22:08, Joseph Seddon  a
> écrit :
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > (reposting due to filter rejection)
> >
> >
> > Fundraising are looking for ideas and suggestions for our writing team to
> > explore for our messaging in this years fundraiser. I only need a minute
> of
> > your time to answer the following question:
> >
> >
> > --- What’s your favorite thing about Wikipedia that you wish our readers
> > and donors knew? ---
> >
> >
> > We'll use the responses to generate new test ideas
> >
> > Post your answers on list or directly to me :) Thanks in advance
> >
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> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

2019-11-25 Thread Amir Sarabadani
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 23:16 Henry Wood  wrote:

> >I don't know sending such emails of limited number of good
> > news cherry-picked by mostly one person all the time to hundreds of
> > wikimedians across the globe with very wide range of interests would be a
> > good idea.
>
> Leading inevitably to the question -- what postings to this list would
> be good ideas?
>

Well, I get lots of unrelated emails from wikimedia-l and don't mind them
while I don't like receiving uninteresting emails on regular basis from the
same person again and again. Even worse, emails that pretend to be
interesting to me (I would feel happier if I hear a good news, as a human
being) but they end up being completely uninteresting (because I just have
different interests).

Hope that answers your question.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

2019-11-25 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Seconding Cornelius here, I almost reached to the point a making a
dedicated filter to archive these emails because that they contain long
emails that are full of great things but doesn't interest me or make me
happy (there are ways to make me happy, for example technical improvements
or LGBT+-related stuff which I barely see in these emails thus these emails
sometimes make me slightly sad that these emails don't contain things I
like, making me feel outcast or too nerd)

I assume everyone has different interests that make them happy which might
be under or overrepresented due to the sender's unconcious bias and
perspective. I don't know sending such emails of limited number of good
news cherry-picked by mostly one person all the time to hundreds of
wikimedians across the globe with very wide range of interests would be a
good idea.

My 2c

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 14:39 Cornelius Kibelka <
cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> to be honest, the question doesn't appeal to me. Around Wikimedia, I'm
> interested in things that *interest me* and help me in my work, but
> *happiness* doesn't work for me as a term, it's a too American for me ;)
>
> Cheers
> Cornelius
>
> On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 09:36, Pine W  wrote:
>
> > Hello colleagues,
> >
> > I would like to ask for your advice about one issue with the "What's
> making
> > you happy this week?" emails.
> >
> > I was hoping that people would frequently comment in the email threads
> > and/or on the talk pages of WMYHTW publications in *The Signpost* to
> share
> > what is making them happy, in the Wikiverse or elsewhere. However,
> comments
> > are somewhat rare.
> >
> > I am concerned that some people may feel too intimidated to comment.
> >
> > I understand that communicating in public requires courage, but I believe
> > that people who try to be respectful will have their comments received
> well
> > by the community if they comment in these threads. Perfection is not a
> > requirement for WMYHTW.
> >
> > Also, I think that public communication becomes easier with practice, and
> > these threads would be good places for people who want to become more
> > experienced with public communication on Wikimedia-l to practice.
> >
> > Is there something else that you think could be done to facilitate
> > participation in WMYHTW? I would appreciate your advice and input.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Pine
> > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] TLS

2019-11-24 Thread Amir Sarabadani
There are several versions of TLS. TLS1.1 end of life is soon and it will
be out of support very soon, most browsers will remove it in 2020. You
should upgrade to support at least TLS1.2 which was released more than ten
years ago. Upgrading to a new version is not that complicated. Just update
your browser.

We stopped serving SSL altogether a while back. One big reason for this
deprecation is not just security of people who use the old browsers but
also people who use a secure and modern system as well. There's something
called downgrade attack [1]. Using this attack, a secure connection (in a
modern setup) can be easily compromised by forcing them to use old
protocols like TLS 1.1 (or worse, SSL) instead of the secure ones.

I'm all for giving the most access to everyone in this world but not at the
cost of compromising security everyone else.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downgrade_attack

On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 9:30 PM Benjamin Ikuta 
wrote:

>
>
> Was support for legacy TLS temporarily discontinued or something?
>
> I noticed I couldn't connect the other day, but now it seems I can again.
>
> For what it's worth, I strongly oppose any measure that makes Wikimedia
> projects less accessible.
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-25 Thread Amir Sarabadani
I have no comment on Wikimedia Space. IMHO it's too soon to criticize it
but I want to point out to a pattern that I have been seeing in the past
couple of months by several people in this very mailing list.

You have been repeating the word "WMF" (four time, for four different
purposes) and treating it as a big monolith which is far from truth, WMF
consists of different teams with different focuses, priorities, goals, and
processes.

This type of comments also increases the tension by promoting concept of
"volunteer vs. WMF". It's not a war, we have the same mission. Stop
criticizing a huge organization devoted to support volunteers (which you
can't deny all of its good deeds, like keeping servers the world-class
website running while being horribly understaffed, we have only 1% of
Google's staff) because you disagree with this project or that program.

Criticize projects, criticize actions (which can be valid), but don't be
like "here we go again, WMF".

I'm a volunteer at night, WMDE staff at day. Right now, it's the volunteer
hats on.

Best


On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 01:19 Yair Rand  wrote:

> I'm getting so many red flags.
>
> Established by WMF via secret (non-transparent) process, with no community
> involvement? Non-wiki environment, with the same scope as existing wikis?
> WMF-decided conduct policies? Every single moderator is a WMF employee?
> Forum using closed groups, with non-transparent communication?
> (Closed-source software, unless I'm mistaken?) So far outside Wikimedia
> spaces that the only place it was even _announced_ was an off-wiki mailing
> list?
>
> Is there something the Wikimedia Foundation would like to tell us?
>
> -- Yair Rand
>
> ‫בתאריך יום ג׳, 25 ביוני 2019 ב-14:56 מאת ‪Pine W‬‏ <‪wiki.p...@gmail.com
> ‬‏>:‬
>
> > Hi Maria,
> >
> > Thanks for this update.
> >
> > I hope that you can answer a question. I may be mistaken, but my
> impression
> > is that the purposes that are outlined for Wikimedia Space are within the
> > intended scopes of the Meta and Outreach wikis, as well as Wikimedia-l. I
> > think that the community would be willing to consider design improvements
> > and additional features for Meta and Outreach, such as calendar and map
> > tools that are easy to use. Design improvements and additional features
> > might also be welcome by third parties who use MediaWiki software and
> could
> > eventually have the option to implement the changes on their own sites.
> Can
> > you explain the decision to launch a new site instead of proposing design
> > improvements and additional features for Meta and Outreach?
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Pine
> > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Code of Conduct committee candidates

2019-06-23 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Yes, I don't see those to be contradictory. All members need to identify
themselves to WMF but not to each other or public.

On Sun, Jun 23, 2019, 18:36 Thomas Townsend  wrote:

> Amir
>
> > The committee is a body of volunteers and they can't be forced to
> disclose
> > their real identities. There's no such policy in the CoC
>
> That does not appear to be correct.  The CoC policy requires that the
> volunteer committee members identify themselves *to the Foundation*.
>
> The Turnip
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Code of Conduct committee candidates

2019-06-21 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Hey,
People in the committee have meetings from time to time, so they know each
other but we don't have any "dedicated" person to keep track of real
identities/pseudonym of the members.

HTH
Best

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 7:55 PM effe iets anders 
wrote:

> Hi Amir,
>
> Thanks. I agree with your assessment.
>
> Probably asking for the obvious: is there someone on the committee that
> knows the real world identity (and the other way around, the online
> pseudonym) of each member, and could flag a COI/suggest to abstain if need
> be? (aside from people refraining themselves)
>
> Lodewijk
>
> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 9:32 AM Amir Sarabadani 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> > (As a member, not talking on behalf of the committee)
> > The committee is a body of volunteers and they can't be forced to
> disclose
> > their real identities. There's no such policy in the CoC and if you think
> > it should be added, feel free start a discussion on CoC amendment [0] but
> > in the mean time, we are not allowed and won't disclose people's real
> > identities. The committee itself refrain involving people who have
> conflict
> > of interest with the case (whether it involves them or someone close)
> >
> > [0] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct/Amendments
> >
> > Best
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 7:43 AM Thomas Townsend 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Amir
> > >
> > > May we not know the real names of the committee members, as opposed to
> > > their pseudonyms?  Surely that is necessary, both as a matter of
> > > general principle, and specifically in case it were ever to turn out
> > > that a member of the committee might be involved in a complaint.
> > >
> > > The Turnip
> > >
> > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 10:39, Amir Sarabadani 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello everyone,
> > > > The deadline for the public feedback was yesterday. Some objections
> > have
> > > > raised but committee decided not to change the structure of committee
> > and
> > > > its candidates. It means the new committee with the given members
> > starts
> > > > serving as of today until 19 June 2020.
> > > >
> > > > Please join me on thanking Nuria and Rosalie for their service and
> > > welcome
> > > > Tonina and MusikAnimal to the main members of the committee.
> > > >
> > > > Best
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 9:13 PM Amir Sarabadani 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > > The committee has finished selecting new members and the new
> > committee
> > > > > candidates are (In alphabetical order):
> > > > >
> > > > >- Amir Sarabadani
> > > > >- Lucie-Aimée Kaffee
> > > > >- MusikAnimal
> > > > >- Tonina Zhelyazkova
> > > > >- Tony Thomas
> > > > >
> > > > > And auxiliary members will be (In alphabetical order):
> > > > >
> > > > >- Huji
> > > > >- Matanya
> > > > >- Nuria Ruiz
> > > > >- Rosalie Perside
> > > > >- Tpt
> > > > >
> > > > > You can read more about the members in [0]
> > > > >
> > > > > The changes are:
> > > > > * Nuria and Rosalie are moving from main member to auxilary members
> > > > > * MusikAnimal is moving from auxilary member to main
> > > > > * Tonina Zhelyazkova is joining the main members
> > > > >
> > > > > This is not the final structure. According to the CoC [1], the
> > current
> > > > > committee publishes the new members and call for public feedback
> for
> > > *six
> > > > > weeks* and after that, the current committtee might apply changes
> to
> > > the
> > > > > structure based on public feedback.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please let the committee know if you have any concern regarding the
> > > > > members and its structure until *19 June 2019* and after that, the
> > new
> > > > > committee will be in effect and will serve for a year.
> > > > >
> > > > > [0]:
> > > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct/Committee/Members/Candidates
> > > > > [1]:
> > > > >
> > >
>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Code of Conduct committee candidates

2019-06-21 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Hello,
(As a member, not talking on behalf of the committee)
The committee is a body of volunteers and they can't be forced to disclose
their real identities. There's no such policy in the CoC and if you think
it should be added, feel free start a discussion on CoC amendment [0] but
in the mean time, we are not allowed and won't disclose people's real
identities. The committee itself refrain involving people who have conflict
of interest with the case (whether it involves them or someone close)

[0] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct/Amendments

Best

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 7:43 AM Thomas Townsend 
wrote:

> Amir
>
> May we not know the real names of the committee members, as opposed to
> their pseudonyms?  Surely that is necessary, both as a matter of
> general principle, and specifically in case it were ever to turn out
> that a member of the committee might be involved in a complaint.
>
> The Turnip
>
> On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 10:39, Amir Sarabadani  wrote:
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> > The deadline for the public feedback was yesterday. Some objections have
> > raised but committee decided not to change the structure of committee and
> > its candidates. It means the new committee with the given members starts
> > serving as of today until 19 June 2020.
> >
> > Please join me on thanking Nuria and Rosalie for their service and
> welcome
> > Tonina and MusikAnimal to the main members of the committee.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 9:13 PM Amir Sarabadani 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > > The committee has finished selecting new members and the new committee
> > > candidates are (In alphabetical order):
> > >
> > >- Amir Sarabadani
> > >- Lucie-Aimée Kaffee
> > >- MusikAnimal
> > >- Tonina Zhelyazkova
> > >- Tony Thomas
> > >
> > > And auxiliary members will be (In alphabetical order):
> > >
> > >- Huji
> > >- Matanya
> > >- Nuria Ruiz
> > >- Rosalie Perside
> > >- Tpt
> > >
> > > You can read more about the members in [0]
> > >
> > > The changes are:
> > > * Nuria and Rosalie are moving from main member to auxilary members
> > > * MusikAnimal is moving from auxilary member to main
> > > * Tonina Zhelyazkova is joining the main members
> > >
> > > This is not the final structure. According to the CoC [1], the current
> > > committee publishes the new members and call for public feedback for
> *six
> > > weeks* and after that, the current committtee might apply changes to
> the
> > > structure based on public feedback.
> > >
> > > Please let the committee know if you have any concern regarding the
> > > members and its structure until *19 June 2019* and after that, the new
> > > committee will be in effect and will serve for a year.
> > >
> > > [0]:
> > >
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct/Committee/Members/Candidates
> > > [1]:
> > >
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct/Committee#Selection_of_new_members
> > >
> > > Amir, On behalf of the Code of Conduct committee
> > > Best
> > >
> > >
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Code of Conduct committee candidates

2019-06-20 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Hello everyone,
The deadline for the public feedback was yesterday. Some objections have
raised but committee decided not to change the structure of committee and
its candidates. It means the new committee with the given members starts
serving as of today until 19 June 2020.

Please join me on thanking Nuria and Rosalie for their service and welcome
Tonina and MusikAnimal to the main members of the committee.

Best

On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 9:13 PM Amir Sarabadani  wrote:

> Hello,
> The committee has finished selecting new members and the new committee
> candidates are (In alphabetical order):
>
>- Amir Sarabadani
>- Lucie-Aimée Kaffee
>- MusikAnimal
>- Tonina Zhelyazkova
>- Tony Thomas
>
> And auxiliary members will be (In alphabetical order):
>
>- Huji
>- Matanya
>- Nuria Ruiz
>- Rosalie Perside
>- Tpt
>
> You can read more about the members in [0]
>
> The changes are:
> * Nuria and Rosalie are moving from main member to auxilary members
> * MusikAnimal is moving from auxilary member to main
> * Tonina Zhelyazkova is joining the main members
>
> This is not the final structure. According to the CoC [1], the current
> committee publishes the new members and call for public feedback for *six
> weeks* and after that, the current committtee might apply changes to the
> structure based on public feedback.
>
> Please let the committee know if you have any concern regarding the
> members and its structure until *19 June 2019* and after that, the new
> committee will be in effect and will serve for a year.
>
> [0]:
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct/Committee/Members/Candidates
> [1]:
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct/Committee#Selection_of_new_members
>
> Amir, On behalf of the Code of Conduct committee
> Best
>
>

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New board for Wikimedia Belgium + evaluation behaviour WMF

2019-06-17 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Are you comparing banning someone to participate at conference(s) with
hanging innocent people?

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 4:34 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
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> " In other words, the best way to ban anyone from any event is to start a
> rumour about them" - that's Wikimedia version of the Salem witch trials.
> Unbelievable that this sort of thing is coming from one of the WMF
> trustees, even as a personal opinion.
>
> Paulo
>
> Michel Vuijlsteke  escreveu no dia segunda, 17/06/2019
> à(s) 15:26:
>
> > On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 at 16:12, Dariusz Jemielniak 
> > wrote:
> > >If there are rumors about physical violence, unbelievable as they may
> > seem,
> > >the bottom line common sense is to approach the alleged would-be
> attacker
> > and
> > >request politely that they stay away, to deescalate even just a
> > potentially tense situation.
> >
> > In other words, the best way to ban anyone from any event is to start a
> > rumour about them?
> >
> > >I personally believe this fork of the discussion threat deserves a quick
> > EOT and salting.
> >
> > I personally don't.
> >
> > Michel
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-11 Thread Amir Sarabadani
People who oppose the ban: Are you aware of all aspects and things Fram has
done? Do you have the full picture? It's really saddening to see how fast
people jump to conclusion in page mentioned in the email. I personally,
don't know what happened so I neither can support or oppose the ban. As
simple as that.

So what should be done IMO. If enwiki wants to know more, a community body
can ask for more information, if body satisfy two things:
 - They had signed NDA not to disclose the case
 - They are trusted by the community

I think the only body can sorta work with this is stewards but not sure
(Does ArbCom NDA'ed?)


On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 3:58 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Lack of transparency from the WMF, whatelse is new.
> I'm currently under a funding ban secretly decided (by who?) based on a
> false accusation, without providing any evidence. Until now I'm waiting for
> an explanation from the WMF. So, this sort of attitude doesn't surprise me
> at all.
> It is very unfortunate that the WMF apparently thrives in this kind of
> medieval obscurity, the opposite of the values of the Wikimedia Movement.
> Matter for Roles & Reponsibilities.
>
> Best,
> Paulo
>
>
> Benjamin Ikuta  escreveu no dia terça, 11/06/2019
> à(s) 05:45:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for this.
> >
> > I'm glad to see I'm not the only one dismayed by the unilateralism and
> > lack of transparency.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jun 10, 2019, at 8:25 PM, Techman224 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Forwarding to WIkimedia-l since WikiEN-l is relatively dead.
> > >
> > > Since this message, an Arbcom member (SilkTork) stated that they
> weren't
> > consulted, nor did this action was the result of Arbcom forwarding a
> > concern to the office. [1]
> > >
> > > The only non-response excuse from the WMF [2] was that "local
> > communities consistently struggle to uphold not just their own autonomous
> > rules but the Terms of Use, too.” even though there were no complaints
> > on-wiki nor to Arbcom privately.
> > >
> > > The on-wiki discussion is taking place at the Bureaucrats and the
> Arbcom
> > noticeboards.
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#User:Fram_banned_for_1_year_by_WMF_office
> > <
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats'_noticeboard#User:Fram_banned_for_1_year_by_WMF_office
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard#Request_for_ArbCom_to_comment_publicly_on_Fram's_ban
> > >
> > > [1]
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard=prev=901300528
> > <
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard=prev=901300528
> > >
> > > [2]
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#Statement_from_the_WMF_Trust_&_Safety_Team
> > >
> > > Techman224
> > >
> > >> Begin forwarded message:
> > >>
> > >> From: George Herbert 
> > >> Subject: [WikiEN-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block
> > >> Date: June 10, 2019 at 8:54:34 PM CDT
> > >> To: English Wikipedia 
> > >> Reply-To: English Wikipedia 
> > >>
> > >> In case you're not following on-wiki - Office S blocked English
> > Wikipedia
> > >> user / administrator Fram for a year and desysopped, for unspecified
> > >> reasons in the Office purview.  There was a brief statement here from
> > >> Office regarding it which gave no details other than that normal
> policy
> > and
> > >> procedures for Office actions were followed, which under normal
> > >> circumstances preclude public comments.
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#User:Fram_banned_for_1_year_by_WMF_office
> > >>
> > >> Several people on Arbcom and board have commented they're making
> private
> > >> inquiries under normal reporting and communication channels, due to
> the
> > >> oddity and essentially uniqueness of the action.
> > >>
> > >> There was an initial surge of dismay which has mellowed IMHO into "Ok,
> > >> responsible people following up".
> > >>
> > >> I understand the sensitivity of some of the topics under Office
> actions,
> > >> having done OTRS and other various had-to-stay-private stuff myself at
> > >> times in the past.  A high profile investigation target is most
> unusual
> > but
> > >> not unheard of.
> > >>
> > >> I did send email to Fram earlier today asking if they had any public
> > >> comment, no reply as yet.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-12 Thread Amir Sarabadani
IMO commons need either a Clue Bot NG for new uploads or ores support for
images that might be copyright violation, or both.

Best

On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:10 PM Yaroslav Blanter  wrote:

> Just the active community itself is too small, compared with the amount of
> material it has to deal with.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
> On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:07 PM Benjamin Ikuta 
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Is the shortage of admins due to a lack of people willing or capable to
> do
> > the job, or increasing difficulty in obtaining the bit?
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 12, 2019, at 3:55 AM, Tomasz Ganicz  wrote:
> >
> > > Well, Actually, at the moment it looks they are all undeleted.
> > >
> > > The good habit - which I was keeping when organizing several
> GLAM-related
> > > mass uploads - was to create on Commons project page describing what it
> > is
> > > intended to be uploaded, preferably in English. Then you can create a
> > > project template to mark all uploads with them.
> > >
> > > See: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Partnerships
> > >
> > > Despite practical issue of avoiding unnecessary clashes with Common's
> > > admins - creating template and project page helps to promote you
> project
> > > across Wikimedia communities and may inspire others to do something
> > similar.
> > >
> > > Commons is indeed quite hostile environment for uploaders, but on the
> > other
> > > hand it is constantly flooded by hundreds  of copyright violating
> files a
> > > day:
> > >
> > > See the list from just one day:
> > >
> > >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/2019/05/01
> > >
> > > so this hostility works both ways - Common's admins have to cope with
> > > aggressive hostile copyright violators every day, and after some time -
> > > decide to leave or became being hostile themselves... and the other
> issue
> > > is decreasing number of active admins and OTRS agents.
> > >
> > > I think - sooner or later - all this system - uploads - screening
> uploads
> > > by admins, and OTRS agreements - needs deep rethinking.
> > >
> > >
> > > niedz., 12 maj 2019 o 10:48 Mister Thrapostibongles <
> > > thrapostibong...@gmail.com> napisał(a):
> > >
> > >> Hello all,
> > >>
> > >> There seems to be a dispute between the Outreach and the Commons
> > components
> > >> of The Community, judging by the article "Wikimedia Commons: a highly
> > >> hostile place for multimedia students contributions" at the Education
> > >> Newsletter
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/News/April_2019/Wikimedia_Commons:_a_highly_hostile_place_for_multimedia_students_contributions
> > >>
> > >> As far as I can understand it, some students on an Outreach project
> > >> uploaded some rather well-made video material, and comeone on Commons
> > >> deleted them because they appeared to well-made to be student projects
> > and
> > >> so concluded they were copyright violations.  But some rather odd
> > remarks
> > >> were made "Commons has to fight the endless stream of uploaded
> > copyrighted
> > >> content on behalf of a headquarters in San Francisco that doesn't
> care."
> > >> and
> > >> "you have regarded Commons as little more than free cloud storage for
> > >> images you intend to use on Wikipedia ".
> > >>
> > >> Perhaps the Foundation needs to resolve this dispute?
> > >>
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[Wikimedia-l] New Code of Conduct committee candidates

2019-05-08 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Hello,
The committee has finished selecting new members and the new committee
candidates are (In alphabetical order):

   - Amir Sarabadani
   - Lucie-Aimée Kaffee
   - MusikAnimal
   - Tonina Zhelyazkova
   - Tony Thomas

And auxiliary members will be (In alphabetical order):

   - Huji
   - Matanya
   - Nuria Ruiz
   - Rosalie Perside
   - Tpt

You can read more about the members in [0]

The changes are:
* Nuria and Rosalie are moving from main member to auxilary members
* MusikAnimal is moving from auxilary member to main
* Tonina Zhelyazkova is joining the main members

This is not the final structure. According to the CoC [1], the current
committee publishes the new members and call for public feedback for *six
weeks* and after that, the current committtee might apply changes to the
structure based on public feedback.

Please let the committee know if you have any concern regarding the members
and its structure until *19 June 2019* and after that, the new committee
will be in effect and will serve for a year.

[0]:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct/Committee/Members/Candidates
[1]:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct/Committee#Selection_of_new_members

Amir, On behalf of the Code of Conduct committee
Best
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Hindi Wikisource waiting, developer needed

2019-05-08 Thread Amir Sarabadani
I wrote a quick explantation why it's almost impossible to make a new wiki
now, in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T210752#5167695

One problem is that this part of the codebase doesn't have a clear
maintainer/owner. That needs to be fixed.

Best

On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 6:00 PM Brad Jorsch (Anomie) 
wrote:

> On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 10:15 AM Yann Forget  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > The Hindi Wikisource is blocked by some technical problems with no
> > resolution expected shortly. The last comment in the ticket is:
> >
> > The issue still exists and it's impossible to make new wikis without lots
> > of bandage and hacks. I'm doing this in volunteer capacity and I don't
> have
> > time to do it anymore :(
> >
> > The ticket was opened on March 13th.
> > The community is actively waiting.
> > Some workshops are planned, but postponed because of this issue.
> > So this task should be given to some developer from WMF.
> >
>
> Based on the quoted comment and date, I'm guessing the task in question is
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T218155.
>
> FYI: I don't know any details about new wiki creation, I'm just posting the
> task link in the hope it will help people who do to find your task.
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Code of conduct committee call for new members

2019-04-14 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Hello all,

It's coming close to time for annual appointments of community members to
serve on the Code of Conduct (CoC) committee. The Code of Conduct Committee
is a team of five trusted individuals plus five auxiliary members with
diverse affiliations responsible for general enforcement of the Code of
conduct for Wikimedia technical spaces. Committee members are in charge of
processing complaints, discussing with the parties affected, agreeing on
resolutions, and following up on their enforcement. For more on their
duties and roles, see
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct/Committee


This is a call for community members interested in volunteering for
appointment to this committee. Volunteers serving in this role should be
experienced Wikimedians or have had experience serving in a similar
position before.



The current committee is doing the selection and will research and discuss
candidates. Six weeks before the beginning of the next Committee term,
meaning 23th of April 2019, they will publish their candidate slate (a list
of candidates) on-wiki. The community can provide feedback on these
candidates, via private email to the group choosing the next Committee. The
feedback period will be two weeks. The current Committee will then either
finalize the slate, or update the candidate slate in response to concerns
raised. If the candidate slate changes, there will be another two week
feedback period covering the newly proposed members. After the selections
are finalized, there will be a training period, after which the new
Committee is appointed. The current Committee continues to serve until the
feedback, selection, and training process is complete.

If you are interested in serving on this committee or like to nominate a
candidate, please write an email to techconductcandidates AT wikimedia.org
with details of your experience on the projects, your thoughts on the code
of conduct and the committee and what you hope to bring to the role and
whether you have a preference in being auxiliary or constant member of the
committee. The committee consists of five members plus five auxiliary
members and they will serve for a year; all applications are appreciated
and will be carefully considered. The deadline for applications is end of
day on 20th of April, 2019.

Please feel free to pass this invitation along to any users who you think
may be qualified and interested.


Best,

Amir on behalf of the CoC committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Minor update: AWight upgrading to "volunteer" Wikimedian

2019-02-18 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Adam,
Working with you on everyday basis was a bliss and I wish you all the best
in the future.
Keep in touch with us please.

Best

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 6:38 PM Adam Wight  wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> This is just a courtesy notice that I'm no longer employed by the Wikimedia
> Foundation as of the end of the month, but will continue to stay engaged as
> a volunteer.  I see this as an opportunity, since I'll be free of the
> conflict of interest caused by my financial and legal relationship as an
> employee.
>
> I'm looking forward to rejoining the volunteer community, if you will have
> me :-)
>
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> line on my talk page if any of the projects listed there catch your fancy!
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [wikicite-discuss] Leaving the Wikimedia Foundation, staying on the wikis

2019-02-14 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Dario, I will never forget all of your help when I started working on AI
projects in Wikimedia. Thank you!
Hope to see you soon in one of conferences and Good luck in your new job!

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On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 2:00 AM Daniel Mietchen via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hi Dario and Leila,
> it's been a pleasure collaborating with you in the past, and I hope
> this will continue despite the changes in your roles.
> Best,
> Daniel
>
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 11:13 PM Yaroslav Blanter 
> wrote:
> >
> > Dario, thanks for your effort. It was a pleasure working with you, and I
> am
> > also happy that you will stay around as a volunteer. My congratulations
> to
> > Leila. Whereas at this point I am rather skeptical and sometimes vocal
> > about WMF in general, I have a tremendous respect for both of you.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Yaroslav
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 11:05 PM Samuel Klein  wrote:
> >
> > > Dario -- what news!  And how close that seems to your recent pushing
> of us
> > > all.
> > > How lucky the projects have been to have you building a research
> > > constellation, for these many years.
> > >
> > > Leila, congrats + warm wishes in your new role.
> > >
> > > With wikilove and taxonometrics,
> > > SJ
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 4:56 PM Dario Taraborelli <
> > > dtarabore...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey all,
> > > >
> > > > I've got some personal news to share.
> > > >
> > > > After 8 years with Wikimedia, I have decided to leave the Foundation
> to
> > > > take up a new role focused on open science. This has been a difficult
> > > > decision but an opportunity arose and I am excited to be moving on
> to an
> > > > area that’s been so close to my heart for years.
> > > >
> > > > Serving the movement as part of the Research team at WMF has been,
> and
> > > > will definitely be, the most important gig in my life. I leave a
> team of
> > > > ridiculously talented and fun people that I can’t possibly imagine
> not
> > > > spending all of my days with, as well many collaborators and friends
> in
> > > the
> > > > community who have I worked alongside. I am proud and thankful to
> have
> > > been
> > > > part of this journey with you all. With my departure, Leila Zia is
> taking
> > > > the lead of Research at WMF, and you all couldn't be in better hands.
> > > >
> > > > In March, I’ll be joining CZI Science—a philanthropy based in the Bay
> > > > Area—to help build their portfolio of open science programs and
> > > technology.
> > > > I'll continue to be an ally on the same fights in my new role.
> > > >
> > > > Other than that, I look forward to returning to full volunteer mode.
> I
> > > > started editing English Wikipedia in 2004, working on bloody
> chapters in
> > > > the history of London <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smithfield,_London>;
> > > hypothetical
> > > > astronomy ; unsung heroes
> > > > among women in science ;
> and
> > > > of course natural
> > > > ,
> technical
> > > >  and
> > > political
> > > > disasters
> > > > <
> > >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections
> > > >.
> > > > I’ve also developed an embarrassing addiction to Wikidata, and you’ll
> > > > continue seeing me around hacking those instances of Q16521
> > > >  for a little while.
> > > >
> > > > I hope our paths cross once again in the future.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > >
> > > > Dario
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Survey about the Foundation's Mission

2019-01-16 Thread Amir Sarabadani
On Wed, Jan 16, 2019, 19:48 James Salsman  wrote:

> The "agenda" is shared by a majority of the survey respondents so far.


You just disclosed results of the survey before it ends, meaning people who
fill out the survey are biased on what majority thinks and vote under peer
pressure. Scientificly speaking, It's not a blind survey anymore. Thus the
final result of this survey is unusable and worthless.

Now let's get back to the question that how someone who doesn't know much
about research methodology wastes people's time and attention...
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocks which appear to demonstrate prejudice against minorities

2019-01-09 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Here's my 2c:
Calling gay people "subhuman" is so vile that needs direct action from
outside of the wiki but IMO this is a symptom of a larger issue.

The issue is that different wikis are disconnected and don't have proper
oversight by a central (volunteer-based) authority.
This sometimes lead to different languages having biases that are related
to the culture and this is sorta okay-ish specially if the wiki is big
enough to balance the differences. Let me give you several examples:
* In Arabic Wikipedia name of the water body south of Iran/North of UAE is
"Arabian gulf" but in Persian Wikipedia is "Persian gulf". This basically
means different versioning of the same entity. I don't like this because
what makes Wikipedia great is that you don't get personalized articles,
like article of "Abortion" in English Wikipedia is the same regardless of
what your stand on this matter is. This differentiates Wikipedia from
facebook and twitter that put people in bubbles.
* In smaller wikis the issue gets worse. What bothered me for a very long
time was that article of "Mohammad" was "Mohammad peace be upon him" [1]
until 27 March of 2018 [2]. When the title is so biased towards the
religious point of view, how neutral the article itself is?
* The issue can different shapes too. I can find lots of
copyright-violating pictures in small wikis. Most of these pictures are
copyright violation [3] We have global sysops and SWMT but it's more of a
reactionary mentality.
* Language barrier makes things even harder. Just imagine how harder it
would be to react if the above discussion happened in Amharic instead of
English.

Maybe it's more a feature than a bug. For example, in Persian Wikipedia
several articles in controversial topics that are featured (homosexuality,
and some articles about Baha'i's faith) are not being used in the main page
to avoid controversy and blockade of Wikipedia in Iran. As the person who
wrote most of one of those articles, I disagree but I understand and
respect the community's decision.

I just want to point out to the issue and I have no solutions. Stewards
seem like a good fit to apply fleet-side norms like no discrimination
policy.

Also, I don't have anything against mzn and urwikis, these are happen to
languages that I have basic understanding of.
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_be_upon_him
[2]:
https://ur.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D8%AE%D8%A7%D8%B5:%D9%86%D9%88%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%81=%D9%85%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF+%D8%A8%D9%86+%D8%B9%D8%A8%D8%AF+%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%DB%81=en
[3]:
https://mzn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%B4%D8%A7:%D8%AA%D8%B5%D8%A7%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%B1_%D8%AC%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%AF

Sorry for the long email.

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 6:53 PM Vi to  wrote:

> By the way, please do not intervene en masse. They (the user involved) have
> a strong tendency towards using "colonialism" as a general purpose excuse
> for their action, as I experienced myself a bunch of months ago, along with
> a series of references to Italian invasion of Ethiopia.
> This kind of excuse is easily is fed by this kind of intervention. Talkpage
> contents is a trivial matter compared to insults and abuse of
> administrative privileges. While the latter one is solved the first one is
> yet to be handled.
>
> Vito
>
> Il giorno lun 7 gen 2019 alle ore 15:56 James Heilman 
> ha
> scritto:
>
> > While we give individual languages / projects a great deal of autonomy,
> > they are not completely autonomous and remain accountable to our global
> > norms. We have a shared brand to uphold. Glad to see a strong position
> has
> > been taken by the community against discrimination based on sexual
> > orientation.
> >
> > My 2 cents
> > James
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 6:39 AM Ariel Glenn WMF 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > A note that the user's talk page
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://am.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%8A%A0%E1%89%A3%E1%88%8D_%E1%8B%8D%E1%8B%AD%E1%8B%AD%E1%89%B5:Codex_Sinaiticus
> > > may or may not reflect all of the comments made at any given moment,
> > since
> > > the user has been engaged in deleting large parts of the discussion.
> > You'll
> > > want to double-check the history to see what's been written.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocks which appear to demonstrate prejudice against minorities

2019-01-07 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Given the response on the talk page [1] I think it's clear violation of
nondiscrimination policy [2]

[1] "promotion of homosexuality will not be tolerated here nor will it be
forced down our throats to suit anyone's international political agenda if
you expect Ethiopians to take part."
[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Nondiscrimination

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On Wed, Jan 2, 2019, 23:09 Risker  wrote:

>  I note that we are talking about the block of one single user on one
> single project; this particular account has thousands of edits over about a
> dozen projects, but is "attached" to hundreds of Wikimedia projects.  The
> majority of these "attached" accounts are likely because the editor
> "visited" the various projects while logged in, activating the automatic
> account creation algorithm.  The account was created 8 years ago, and has
> actively edited a wide variety of  projects, including several wikipedias,
> Commons, Wikidata, and Meta. While English Wikipedia is the account's
> "home" wiki, about 55% of the account's global edits have been made on
> Marathi Wikipedia. The Amharic Wikipedia account does not appear to have
> edited, which suggests that it was automatically created when the editor
> was "looking at" the project on 9  February 2018.  The block for account
> name was made on 22 October 2018.  I note that accounts were created on
> over a hundred projects over the course of a few days in February 2018.
>
> The point being raised in this thread is that it appears this editor was
> blocked on one of the 381 wikis on which they have an account, explicitly
> because of the perception that their username calls attention to the sexual
> behaviour of the editor. What we do not know is (a) whether that is in fact
> a legitimate username block reason on Amharic Wikipedia, or (b) if it is a
> legitimate username block reason, *why* it would be a username block
> reason. We don't know why this block was applied so long after the account
> was created. We don't know the username policy on Amharic Wikipedia, nor do
> we know how it is applied; for example, we don't know if a username like
> "StraightGuy101" would be blocked.  We do know that there are only 4
> administrators on Amharic Wikipedia, and that there are fewer than 50
> active users working on the project, which may be part of the reason for
> the delay between automatic account creation and the account block.
>
> We also know that one of the challenges of single user login for all
> Wikimedia projects has highlighted the fact that certain usernames that are
> acceptable on some projects are blocked on other projects; we've known that
> for years. We know that each project establishes its own policies when it
> comes to usernames. There are legitimate reasons why a username that is
> acceptable in one language is not acceptable in another language, even in
> cases where the editor had no knowledge that the chosen username would be a
> problem in another language. We do know that there have been lots of cases
> where usernames have been blocked for "username policy violation" on all
> kinds of projects, despite the account operating productively on other
> projects.
>
> I also note that there is nothing in this thread that confirms the editor
> themself has raised any concerns about this block, and I am always wary of
> turning an editor into a "martyr for a cause" without their direct
> agreement, as that can be as abusive as the original action. So the first
> step in this situation would be to confirm with the individual editor
> whether or not they want their "case" to be examined.
>
> Should the editor be agreeable, I suggest that the next step is for someone
> who has the ability to converse in Amharic to contact the Amharic Wikipedia
> and find out why the block has been issued, how it is consistent with the
> username policy on Amharic Wikipedia, whether that policy is driven in part
> by external considerations (e.g., does the project risk heavy governmental
> scrutiny if it appears to "promote" locally unacceptable activities). I am
> personally curious as to why it took over six months to identify that this
> account did not meet the local username policy, and whether there was
> internal or external discussion about the username.
>
> It is not clear to me what the desired outcome is in this case - at least
> in part because we have no idea of the opinion of the editor involved.  I
> am hard-pressed to say that a project should be required to allow usernames
> that it has a long history of considering unacceptable, especially if it is
> applied evenly to all accounts; in this case, if it disallows usernames
> that imply sexual preference regardless of what that preference is.
>
> It seems to me that the WMF Trust & Safety group would probably be the
> right group to examine this.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 at 09:42, Ariel Glenn WMF  wrote:
>
> > Additional notes:
> > The user's regular page can be viewed on en 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads

2018-12-11 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Even I agree we need more donations from mobile but more aggressive banners
doesn't usually lead to more donations coming. At least, if it's more
aggressive than a certain threshold and I think these banners pass that
threshold by far.
Best


On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 5:00 PM David Gerard  wrote:

> I've had people complaining to me personally about the multiple-page
> fundraising banners on mobile, like I can do anything about them ...
> this is really deeply pissing people off.
>
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 15:03, Joseph Seddon  wrote:
> >
> > Hi James,
> >
> > As I mentioned in my original reply to Molly, Desktop page views have
> been
> > in decline for the past 2-3 years from 4.36 billion (Oct 2016) to 3.64
> > billion (Oct 2018). Likewise, the relative effectiveness as of mobile as
> a
> > fundraising platform has historically been substantially lower compared
> > with desktop. So with future budget growth in mind and a desktop
> > fundraising environment that will become increasingly difficult, we’ve
> been
> > working hard to ensure that as user behaviors shift we are well prepared
> > and that the future of the movement is safeguarded.
> >
> > Regards
> > Seddon
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 5:14 AM James Salsman 
> wrote:
> >
> > > For those of you who have not seen the mobile fundraising banner this
> > > year, and thus are uncertain of what all the fuss is about, here is an
> > > example:
> > >
> > > https://i.imgur.com/wL4Y5dl.png
> > >
> > > The fundraising message literally takes 4.5 screens that have to be
> > > scrolled through to get to the article. I don't think its accurately
> > > reflected with how desktop browsers render the example given by the
> > > Fundraising team at
> > >
> > >
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA?banner=B1819_0701_mlWW_mob_p1_lg_template=1=US
> > > which is only a little over one screenful before the article text on
> > > typical landscape-shaped desktop browser rendering.
> > >
> > > In years past, it seemed like the fundraising team was more
> > > forthcoming about their choices and the reasons for making them. Has
> > > anyone inside or outside of the Foundation seen any explanation of why
> > > so much text, with such odd formatting, is necessary on mobile this
> > > year?
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 8:44 AM Samuel Klein  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I love the focus on mobile and smaller format interfaces, quite
> > > generally;
> > > > it's increasingly how I use the projects too!
> > > >
> > > > A)  This banner-text-series is clearly impactful, gave me a bit of a
> jump
> > > > scare, and got me to read it to find out why. I'm still not sure how
> I
> > > feel
> > > > about it.
> > > > ~ Visual effect: Messages that flow smoothly in and out of the
> reading
> > > > experience are even nicer.
> > > > ~ Message: Is there an estimate of the total impact on all readers,
> as
> > > well
> > > > as total effective fundraising?  If there is a very effective
> > > > compact/delightful banner, and an even more effective
> large/ambivalent
> > > > one, is there some internal calculus about the overal impact of
> running
> > > the
> > > > former for longer vs. the latter for a short period?
> > > > I'd like to think the best possible messages inspire and delight
> and
> > > > draw on positive emotions while raising funds, including for those
> who
> > > > don't donate, even if they do not yield the most donations per view.
> > > >
> > > > B)  The tracking of whether I've donated, when choosing to show or
> not
> > > show
> > > > me banners, is definitely lacking.  Part of this is that we have
> taken an
> > > > overly-paranoid approach to gathering and anonymizing user data.  It
> is
> > > > entirely possible to cluster users for the purposes of
> > > > not-continuing-to-show-banners (maintain a dictionary of
> > > > user-fingerprint-hashes-already-seen, check to see if the current
> user is
> > > > in there, don't show banners if they are) without being able to see
> what
> > > > pages a given user is viewing.
> > > >
> > > > I wrote more about this here:
> > > >
> > >
> https://blogs.harvard.edu/sj/2018/07/25/anonymizing-data-on-the-users-of-wikipedia/
> > > >  Please consider doing this; it is really hurting the
> user-experience of
> > > > the wiki projects (not only in this instance -- in so many other
> basic
> > > > instances of usage stats + testing over time!), for no benefit to
> anyone.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FY1718 Fundraising Report now published

2018-10-01 Thread Amir Sarabadani
It might sound naive but Singapore also has lots of potential. Please
correct me if I'm wrong.

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On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 10:12 PM Andrew Lih  wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 12:24 PM Ilario Valdelli 
> wrote:
>
> > Yes but India has probably 2 times the population of the whole Europe...
> > and cannot be defined like a "poor" country. I Think that the same is
> valid
> > also for East Asia.
> >
> > No it's not simple to compare but the amount donated in Asia is really
> > small.
> >
>
> 1. Please note that the GDP per capita for China and India *combined* still
> falls far short of the EU. [1]
>
> 2. For two of the major economies of East Asia, Wikipedia is *not* the
> number one reference site for the general public. For China, it’s Baidu
> Baike and for Korea, it’s Naver.
>
> As Seddon said, it is a far more complex picture than looking at population
> count and dollar amounts.
>
> -Andrew
>
> [1] -
> https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?locations=EU-CN-IN
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[Wikimedia-l] ORES support checklist for communities

2018-04-09 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Hey,
Scoring platform team aims to support more wikis but keeping track of how
much support they need is not easy. This is why we built a tool that
automatically gets updated and shows us an overview of the current support
and specially it shows progress of labelling campaigns in different wikis
so it's easier for us and the community to see which wiki is about to
finish or which wiki is stalled.

You can find the tool in https://tools.wmflabs.org/ores-support-checklist/

The source code is in http://github.com/wiki-ai/ores-support-checklist.
Pull requests are welcome
To report problems or request new features, feel free to file a phabricator
ticket tagged with ores-support-checklist (
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/ores-support-checklist/)

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