Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-recognition of Wikimedia user groups in Brazil
"Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for any user group application or existing user group for a period of one year." And grant requests? I am not privy to the conflict details, but it seems to be generated by the claim of lack of legitimacy and misuse of money, is that correct? So should not also individual grant requests for this primary contacts be blocked? Agreeing with Ilario, but would be nice to see the "whys" they came to this. Without this deep look, the "Brazil, restart again" will act over and over again - this is not the first time, and will not be the last, until some stakeholders stop relieving themselves of responsibility, admit the mistakes and take a stand to fix the problem, some of it, could be created not by locals... Finished this analyses and actions made Mardetanha proposal will be a consequence, writing now as it is now, I do not see how could be beneficial. x0x0 On 9 April 2018 at 03:54, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > Hi Kirill > It makes sense to explain a little bit about the conflict management and > the position of both sides to define why both groups have been > derecognized. > > At the opposite this decision will give the feeling that, to attack a local > Group, it will be sufficient to create another local Group and to be > recognized and to open a conflict and to drive all parties to unresolute it > to reach the primary and original goal. > > Kind regards > > On Sun, 8 Apr 2018, 20:20 Kirill Lokshin, > wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > > > Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic > > organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent > > group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia > > mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia > > affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements, > which > > are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic organization, > > or user group agreement. In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia User > > Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging in > > activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations or > > Wikimedia projects. > > > > As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in > > Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education Brazil > — > > have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has resulted > > in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement > > activities in Brazil. As all reasonable attempts to resolve the conflict > > have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to > > withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates. > > > > Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil > and > > Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and the > > Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally > > terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as practicable. > > Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for > > these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for > > any user group application or existing user group for a period of one > year. > > > > The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and > > unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the > > Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational > > structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement > > participants and stakeholders in the country. > > > > Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the > > Affiliations Committee. > > > > Regards, > > Kirill Lokshin > > Chair, Affiliations Committee > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > ___________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocks of new accounts in Angola?
In reality: "Account creation from IP addresses in the range 105.172.0.0/16, which includes your IP address (105.172.25.219), has been blocked by Steinsplitter. " That was the message most of them do not have a way to enter in the website that you requested, by the lack of mobile data... On 3 March 2017 at 14:52, Lucas Teles wrote: > They were probably caught on this range block: > https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&; > page=User%3A105.168.0.0%2F16&type=block > > > *Lucas Teles* > > *+55 (71) 99707 6409Steward at Wikimedia Foundation. Administrator * > *at Portuguese Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons.*- Member of Wikimedia > Community User Group Brasil <http://wikimedianobrasil.org> > > 2017-02-22 12:54 GMT-03:00 Olatunde Isaac : > > > In addition to that thread, see also "https://commons.wikimedia. > > org/wiki/User:Teles/Angola_Facebook_Case" > > > > Best, > > > > Isaac > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld from Glo Mobile. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: "Olatunde Isaac" > > Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 15:30:06 > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > > Reply-To: reachout2is...@gmail.com > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocks of new accounts in Angola? > > > > Yes, there are some mass vandalism from Angola last year. Yaroslav, I > > think you may be looking for this thread, "https://www.mail-archive.com/ > > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/msg23413.html" > > > > Best, > > > > Isaac > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld from Glo Mobile. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Yaroslav Blanter > > Sender: "Wikimedia-l" Date: > Wed, > > 22 Feb 2017 16:17:32 > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > > Reply-To: Wikimedia Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocks of new accounts in Angola? > > > > Did not we have some mass vandalism from Angola some time ago, and then > > measures had to be taken? I do not remember the details. > > > > Cheers > > Yaroslav > > > > On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 8:57 AM, George William Herbert < > > george.herb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Have them hit whatismyip.org and tell us what shows up.., > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton < > > > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > I've been receiving complains via Facebook from people of Angola > about > > > not > > > > being able to create new accounts, some know something about it? They > > > > receive the as if the IP was blocked, however we receive more then 5 > > > > complains just in the Commons FB page. > > > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton > > > > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com > > > > +55 11 979 718 884 > > > > ___ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > ___ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > ___________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and
[Wikimedia-l] Blocks of new accounts in Angola?
I've been receiving complains via Facebook from people of Angola about not being able to create new accounts, some know something about it? They receive the as if the IP was blocked, however we receive more then 5 complains just in the Commons FB page. Any ideas? -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Valeu a pena?
mandei na lista errada, autocomplete do Gmail, na lista certa o público está definido. 2016-07-19 14:59 GMT-03:00 Rodrigo Padula : > Sua pergunta é para os 2 user groups ou para algum específico? > > Rodrigo Padula > Coordenador de Projetos > Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa > http://www.wikimedia.org.br > 21 99326-0558 > > > > > On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 05:30:55 -0300 Rodrigo Tetsuo > Argenton<rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com> wrote > > Gostaria de saber de vocês se valeu a pena terem o selo do AffCom, quais > foram as vantagens para parar o processo vigente e reiniciar nos moldes > exigidos. > > Quais foram os benefícios de afastarem voluntários chegando a permanentes > bloqueios sem razão [1]. > > E se foi bom para o Movimento WIkimedia no Brasil como um todo na visão de > vocês. > > Valeu a pena? > > > E outra pergunta, para aqueles que disseram que eu afastava voluntários, > com 3 anos sem eu estar ativo aqui, era o problema? > > Beijinhos. > > [1] > > https://br.wikimedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Rodrigo_Tetsuo_Argenton#Bloqueio > > -- > Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com > +55 11 979 718 884 > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>; > > > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Valeu a pena?
wrong list :P 2016-07-19 5:30 GMT-03:00 Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton < rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com>: > Gostaria de saber de vocês se valeu a pena terem o selo do AffCom, quais > foram as vantagens para parar o processo vigente e reiniciar nos moldes > exigidos. > > Quais foram os benefícios de afastarem voluntários chegando a permanentes > bloqueios sem razão [1]. > > E se foi bom para o Movimento WIkimedia no Brasil como um todo na visão de > vocês. > > Valeu a pena? > > > E outra pergunta, para aqueles que disseram que eu afastava voluntários, > com 3 anos sem eu estar ativo aqui, era o problema? > > Beijinhos. > > [1] > https://br.wikimedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Rodrigo_Tetsuo_Argenton#Bloqueio > > -- > Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com > +55 11 979 718 884 > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
[Wikimedia-l] Valeu a pena?
Gostaria de saber de vocês se valeu a pena terem o selo do AffCom, quais foram as vantagens para parar o processo vigente e reiniciar nos moldes exigidos. Quais foram os benefícios de afastarem voluntários chegando a permanentes bloqueios sem razão [1]. E se foi bom para o Movimento WIkimedia no Brasil como um todo na visão de vocês. Valeu a pena? E outra pergunta, para aqueles que disseram que eu afastava voluntários, com 3 anos sem eu estar ativo aqui, era o problema? Beijinhos. [1] https://br.wikimedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Rodrigo_Tetsuo_Argenton#Bloqueio -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Massive Online Open Course about Wikipedia
Sorry, but this a course, right? So Why did you not interact with Wikibooks, and Wikiversity? On 14 December 2015 at 14:02, Berard Myriam wrote: > Hello everyone, > > For a few months now, 15 French-speaking Wikipedia editors, supported by > Wikimédia France, have been working to design a Massive Online Open Course, > to learn how to contribute to Wikipedia and discover more about the way it > works. > > The WikiMOOC lasts for 5 weeks (with 2,5h of work/ week, including the > duration of the courses). You can check out the project page on Wikipedia > [1]. > > The registration for this WikiMOOC opens today, on the FUN [2] platform > (powered by the Ministry of Education and Research, in France) ! > > The courses will start on February 22nd, 2016. > > Do not hesitate to share this information to all French-speaking > communities you might know of. Please, note that it is possible to stay > tuned via WikiMOOC's Twitter[3] and Facebook[4] accounts. > > Here is a short trailer about the WikiMOOC in French :) Enjoy ! [5] > > Please, feel free to reach out to me if you have any questions, > > > Jules Xénard jules.xen...@wikimedia.fr > > Wikimédia France > > [1] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:WikiMOOC > > [2] > > https://www.france-universite-numerique-mooc.fr/courses/WMFr/86001/session01/about > > [3] https://twitter.com/wikimooc > [4] https://www.facebook.com/Wikimooc/ > [5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=assiAnG3lv4 > > > -- > Myriam Berard > Wikimédia France > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Train-a-Wikipedian (TAW): New initiative
Good initiative, I let some suggestion at Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:CIS-A2K/Train-a-Wikipedian The only substantial criticism is the Wikipediacentrism on this project; because most of those things that you will teach in this project could be applied in all Wikimedia Movement on-line communities, but if you would not include on the learning, they may not know that. See ya. On 2 November 2015 at 14:11, Katy Love wrote: > Thanks for sharing, Tito. Looking forward to hearing how the > Train-a-Wikipedian project goes in those five languages. > > Katy > > On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 10:56 PM, Tito Dutta wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I want to inform you about a new project “Train-a-Wikipedian” (TAW), > > powered by CIS-A2K. > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K/Train-a-Wikipedian > > > > You may know of the English Wikipedia program Adopt-a-user > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user>. We wanted to > start > > something similar for the Indian Wikimedia communities. > > > > In February and June this year, CIS-A2K conducted Train the Trainer > > <http://CIS-A2K/Events/Train the Trainer Program> (TTT) and MediaWiki > > Train > > the Trainer > > < > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K/Events/MediaWiki_Train_the_Trainer_Program > > > > > (MWTTT). After conducting these two events, and communicating with the > > participants we found the necessity to start a training program that > we’ll > > be running on regular basis, and from there we conceived this > > “Train-a-Wikipedian” program. > > > > Initially, we’ll concentrating on these 5 Indian languages Wikis: 1) > > Kannada, 2) Konkani, 3) Marathi, 4) Odia, 5) Telugu. But, we may expand > > soon, if our program is a success. > > > > In our TAW main page > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K/Train-a-Wikipedian>, we have > > listed a number of topics those we’ll discussing during our training. We > > hope to conduct hangout or webinar sessions. > > > > Please provide your feedback and suggestion. :-) > > > > Regards. > > > > User:Titodutta > > > > English Wikipedia administrator > > CIS-A2K Program Associate (consultant) > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WLM Brasil 2015 - Winners / Numbers
ter 2 months of the contest. > > > > Rodrigo reports: > > > > Pictures uploaded: 4.443 > > Uploaders: 411 > > New users registered on Commons: 325 > > New users engagement: 79% > > Pictures user on Wikipedia: 86 (2%) > > > > > > Are the goals reached? Basically yes. When the project has been financed > > it was clear that the definition "success" was based on those measures. > > > > There is no success for a specific person on an individual and personal > > criteria. > > > > The user group of Brazil has not asked nothing special, this is a normal > > budget for any WLM or WLE in several countries. > > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rodrigo versus Rodrigo (was Re: WLM Brasil 2015 - Winners / Numbers)
555 I just showed the thread, not your specific email. This is not about me, so why my name is there? "doing almost nothing on online projects or even on outreach activities. " > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rodrigo.Argenton. ops "there is no need to demonize R-Padula" the main word here is "need"... "I'm not fighting against anybody here" Just flooding me by emails and SMS, probably with insults I just saw capital letters. " I proposed to do during and after the Brazilian Catalyst Program!" "do"? HEHEHEHEHEHEHHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE 555 I didn't know that you rather prefer Padula's posture, but nice defence that you created, ad hominem to diminish me (totally equivocated, you forget to say a list of really bad things, and made a wrong affirmation saying that I'm not active on online), then you remove the culpability of Padula's Burn Money Festival, and deviated the attention to the problem and transformed in stage for baby talk... "which should be probably discussed in another place." Illario, every thread, every thread that appears this problem that AffCom + WMF created, you request to we stop talking here, and go somewhere else. Where? Where we could talk to the Wikimedia Movement, including AffCom, WMF, international community? Meta? Because there AffCom did not answer, we are expecting a "Why WMBR was not approved" since 2013... How about you stop trying to shut people up and start giving serious answers ? On 31 October 2015 at 18:13, Luiz Augusto wrote: > On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton < > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > (...) > > > > [5]some samples of local community interacting with Padula's "ideas": > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Brazilian_Group_of_Education_and_Research/User_Group_Proposal > > https://br.wikimedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Rodrigo_Padula > > follow the thread: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediabr-l/2014-August/015754.html > > > > > Since R-Argenton provided some messages written by me in public opposition > against R-Padula in the past year, let's me write few lines updating the > subject. > > R-Padula acted in many disruptive ways in a very complex Game of Thrones > WMF edition that ended in project results and partial lost of community > interest. Emphasis on partial. I'll explain it in another point of this > message. Let's say that R-Padula is our local Petyr Baelish. > > R-Argenton for years is behind brazilian volunteers most of time on yet > more disruptive ways plus doing almost nothing on online projects or even > on outreach activities. Argenton may replies to it as "because I'm > blocked!" and I leaves to those who may be interested to think for the > reasons a community will choose to block a very experienced contributor. > > Please don't read this as I advocating for Padula. Quite the opposite, I'm > only suggesting to ignore the bad mood from Argenton and really focus on > measurements and governance points proposed by Fæ. > > Time to write few lines about the "partial lost of community interest" > point. > > The now defunct Programa Catalisador do Brasil revealed the bad side of > some people (R-Argenton excluded from this, at least) and created a very > interesting GoT WMF remix that ended in many political fights exactly as on > the HBO series. But the community members where all benevolent zombies, > sometimes attending events, but most of time doing nothing. Nothing at all. > > I personally leaved any attempt to do 'real-world' things after the renew > of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil (not to be confused with the UG > that R-Padula is the leader). As far I can see, the last action of that UG > was to get renewed and eventually being present on Wikimania... Well, I > *really* don't want to say any more on this UG. > > My current involvement to WMF is only to do random things on Wikisource and > Wikidata as I can do random things on any website, without further > interest. Not only due to the GoT WMF.br remixed edition, but also for many > issues on a more global level (WMF is constantly contracting new staff and > their servers are most unstable than back in 2004-2005... Only in sake of > example, since there are REALLY many issues, T71311 > <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71311>, a huge data loss, is still > unsolved most due to the laziness of the involved staff while in any normal > entity it may result in an entire team working until solve it... should I > do anything on governance issues related to resources
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WLM Brasil 2015 - Winners / Numbers
"this is a normal budget for any WLM or WLE in several countries." WLE Brazil prizes: 3'300 EUR (2014) 3'000 EUR (2015) WLM 1800 EUR (2015) [1] WLE Thailand: 510 EUR (2014) Tunisia: 558 EUR (2015) Spain and Portugal: 1400 EUR (2015)... WLM: Ireland: 550 EUR (2015) Latvia 500 EUR (2015) Spain 700 EUR (2015) normal? normal would be 500 EUR in prizes. Not 6 times more. [1] and the currency sky rocketed between 2014-15 http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=BRL&view=2Y On 31 October 2015 at 15:43, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > Again, and again. > > "Success for whom"? > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/Wikimedia_Community_Brazilian_Group_of_Education_and_Research/Wiki_Loves_Earth_Brasil_2015#Measures_of_success > > The section "measure of success" reports: > > at least 400 participants uploading one photograph or more; > at least 5,000 photos uploaded; > at least 15% of photos used on Wikipedia; > at least 50% of new users engagement during the contest; > at least 10 new articles about natural heritage sites in Brasil; > at least 10% of new user retention after 2 months of the contest. > > Rodrigo reports: > > Pictures uploaded: 4.443 > Uploaders: 411 > New users registered on Commons: 325 > New users engagement: 79% > Pictures user on Wikipedia: 86 (2%) > > > Are the goals reached? Basically yes. When the project has been financed > it was clear that the definition "success" was based on those measures. > > There is no success for a specific person on an individual and personal > criteria. > > The user group of Brazil has not asked nothing special, this is a normal > budget for any WLM or WLE in several countries. > > > > > On 31.10.2015 18:20, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton wrote: > >> quality of work. >> >> Again "Success for whom?" >> >> >> >> > > -- > Ilario Valdelli > Wikimedia CH > Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens > Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre > Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera > Switzerland - 8008 Zürich > Tel: +41764821371 > http://www.wikimedia.ch > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WLM Brasil 2015 - Winners / Numbers
Funny. Gerald: "What do YOU hope" [again YOU*] Me: "My point is not important here" Gerald:" When your point of view is that other people spending money is wrong because it does not conform to your ideas" ??? I don't have a point, I'm asking "Success for whom?" I asked that, and "you did not answer the question", I'm not have a argumentation, I'm asking because I can't see any benefit, as a Brazilian, as a Wikimedia Commons volunteer, as a Wikimedia Movement volunteer. You did not answer that also, and use some ad hominem for?? And: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grants_talk%3APEG%2FWikimedia_Community_Brazilian_Group_of_Education_and_Research%2FWiki_Loves_Earth_Brasil_2015&type=revision&diff=12031383&oldid=12029848 WMF ignored us and approved this. And WLE and WLM at this moment in Brazil is not a good investment to donated money. I'm doing other thinks that are resulting in Featured Pictures and Quality Images, and approaching the university, you are not seeing, because we don't burn WMF money. And money is not to burn, is to invest. Sample of work: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Illustration_Programme, see the rate of QI and FP per photo, and the money used (zero), and WP used. I will not list all here because this is not about me, it was just to refuted your statements "When your ideas do not work", "did you not do this job", ... "Money is there to burn as long as it probably leads to results" Results, results for whom? Which results? For the Wikimedia Movement? If it is, I can't see they delivering any good result, that's why so many "negativity". I'm not worried about spending money, I'm worried about the bad used of money, pay for contribution, and to make it worse, receiving very low quality of work. Again "Success for whom?" On 31 October 2015 at 14:06, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > So you did not answer the question. What is it that you aim to achieve. I > get words, no ideas, nothing. Only negativity. > > Money is there to burn as long as it probably leads to results. The results > should not be compared with what is done elsewhere when elsewhere is > incomparable. When your point of view is that other people spending money > is wrong because it does not conform to your ideas, then I pity you because > why did you not do this job, why did you allow that situation to exist in > the first place. When your ideas do not work, you may indeed blame others. > Fine, move on. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 31 October 2015 at 16:15, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton < > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Gerard, > > > > This "you" is for me? Right? > > > > Well I'm really asking here for whom this was successful, and tried to > > explore the several layers that could be impacted by this. > > > > My point is not important here, but this is a conversation, so: > > > > Measure of success: > > Wikimedia Commons receiving a good impact by this, new active volunteers > > that understand "free" "elaborative" "volunteers", new good quality > images, > > new documentation to facilitate the penetration of new comers. [1] > > At least 100 featured pictures for each 1'000 USD invested[2], and at > least > > 10% of retention with those characteristics listed. > > > > Wikipedia having a bunch of articles illustrated, with good quality > image, > > and receiving more volunteers willing to help, increasing not only the > > illustration of the article, but also the article it self. [3] > > At least 10 featured articles or 30 four stars articles, of those > National > > Parks mentioned for 1'000 USD invested. For being a Featured Article amd > > fou star at WP-pt, images are a must have. > > > > "off-line", this activity involving several volunteers that would create > > activities to spread the Wikimedia Movement outside the Wiki word, > > facilitating the journey to get in the Free Culture. > > > > > > And the more 30'000 USD that I was referring was about WLE 2014/15 and > WLE. > > WLE 2014 they talked about 20'000 USD in this event, and we will not > have a > > clearance on that, because they use the Brazilian Program to burn this > > money, and we don't have any serious report, and evaluation from the > > community, see the report [4]. > > > > > > Fae, I did some raw comparatives for this WLE 2014: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Bad_usage_of_money_in_Brazil > > > > And tried to bring
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WLM Brasil 2015 - Winners / Numbers
Loves_Earth/2014 values on this report 13.000 + 6.950,00 + 13.900,00 + 2*( 2.500,00 + 1.500,00 + 1.000,00) = 43'850 BRL ~ 20'000 USD at the time. So 11'000 + ~20'000 = 30'000 USD! and how long it takes to WMF gating 30'000 USD? Any one know how much Latin America donated to WMF? 30'000 USD is money. [5]some samples of local community interacting with Padula's "ideas": https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Brazilian_Group_of_Education_and_Research/User_Group_Proposal https://br.wikimedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Rodrigo_Padula follow the thread: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediabr-l/2014-August/015754.html ... On 31 October 2015 at 09:52, Fæ wrote: > We have many years of running these very similar projects. It should > be possible to compare the value of outcomes against each other to see > if some use better practices than others, and then to help assess > future grant proposals for their potential value against estimated > costs. > > I agree that outcomes are more than quantity of images, and the large > WMF programme evaluation training had precisely the aim of ensuring > that all funded projects would apply non-subjective measures of > value (i.e. investment per image, investment per new editor, > investment per new article are all measurable). One issue raised > was the poor quality of a significant number of images, and quality > should be part of the measurability of claimed outcomes. The original > post in this thread mentioned that 86 photographs have been used on > Wikipedia, this is a reasonable measure of quality, though investing > $11,000 for this outcome is probably an unfair comparison, so others > are needed. > > When programmes include competitions with prizes, then this requires > special attention at the grant stage due as, again, we have > experienced several controversies around programmes reliant on this > method. > > We may wish to change the thread title, but the governance questions > raised are relevant and are best not dismissed with "stop wasting our > time on an email thread which should be about good PR". > > Fae > > On 31 October 2015 at 11:28, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > > On 31.10.2015 12:12, Fæ wrote: > >> > >> On 31 Oct 2015 11:00, "Ilario Valdelli" wrote: > >>> > >>> On 31.10.2015 11:46, Fæ wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hang on. Could I have an independent reality check; is that really $7 > >>>> per photograph? > >>>> > >>>> Fae > >>> > >>> 30.000 is exact, but they are 30.000 Real which means 11.000 USD. > >> > >> Cool. So about $2.50 per image. > >> > >> This looks expensive compared to my upload projects (the last 500,000 > >> images have cost $0.00 in total) but perhaps the benchmark is better > when > >> measures against other WLM projects. > >> > >> Anyone have the numbers to show comparative value? > >> > >> Fae > > > > > > Using a bot to collect images in internet probably would have been lesser > > than 0$ per image. > > > > Anyway the real calculation of an impact of a project is not so simple. > > > > Because if we would use the same parameters, people reading this thread > have > > spent more than 5 minutes, and calculating the sum of people reading this > > thread we can calculate a big time waste. > > > > We can say that this thread is really time-expensive without producing a > > real impact. But we know that this mailing list is done to help the > > communication and not to calculate the time waste, so a thread like this > is > > accepted. > > > > I have put the links, it's sufficient to read the measures of the > success to > > know that the aim of the project is not to produce only images. > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > -- > > Ilario Valdelli > > Wikimedia CH > > -- > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WLM Brasil 2015 - Winners / Numbers
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list
*q.e.d.* no arguments, nothing more to add, just ''ad hominem'', and provocations. On 21 October 2015 at 13:08, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > I will be simple like explaining it to a baby. > > On 21.10.2015 16:29, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton wrote: > >> How about less provocations, attempts to breakdown the conversation with >> violence, and support our idea in a civilized manner ? So " it's not good >> to give publicly comments on the candidates.", why do you think that? >> > > I think nothing. I administer a list where the entities involved in the > process decided that. > > Decision taken by these entities, I execute their decision. > > I am, politely, addressing you to the right place to discuss it. > > >> I am not understanding your affirmation, because you did not offer any >> argument that corroborates to your statement. >> >> > Yes, I know, you do not understand. > > Anyway we can continue "ad libitum" for the sample reason that you don't > like it but it's not up to me to support your dislike. > > Regards > > > -- > Ilario Valdelli > Wikimedia CH > Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens > Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre > Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera > Switzerland - 8008 Zürich > Tel: +41764821371 > http://www.wikimedia.ch > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list
How about less provocations, attempts to breakdown the conversation with violence, and support our idea in a civilized manner ? So " it's not good to give publicly comments on the candidates.", why do you think that? I am not understanding your affirmation, because you did not offer any argument that corroborates to your statement. On 21 October 2015 at 12:13, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > The spirit of the Wikimedia Movement I suppose is to be "respectful" of > each person. > > There is the freedom to be informed, there is the freedom of the opinion > but these freedoms have limits and the limits are set where another freedom > starts because I think that it's clear that there are other freedoms like > the respect of the privacy. > > Anyway I suggest you to make your proposal to person in charge of the > selection, appointed every time the process starts, may be this person can > take your comment in consideration. > > Kind regards > > > On 21.10.2015 15:49, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton wrote: > >> That's the spirit of Wikimedia Movement, censorship... >> >> I was talking about the list, you said: " it's not good to give publicly >> comments on the candidates." and I asked why, you decided not answer. >> >> And you know that AffCom screwed WMBR, so don't come with "If you are >> member of a chapter, please ask internally to your chapter, not to me." >> just to border me. >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > Ilario Valdelli > Wikimedia CH > Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens > Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre > Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera > Switzerland - 8008 Zürich > Tel: +41764821371 > http://www.wikimedia.ch > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list
That's the spirit of Wikimedia Movement, censorship... I was talking about the list, you said: " it's not good to give publicly comments on the candidates." and I asked why, you decided not answer. And you know that AffCom screwed WMBR, so don't come with "If you are member of a chapter, please ask internally to your chapter, not to me." just to border me. On 21 October 2015 at 11:35, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > If you are member of a chapter, please ask internally to your chapter, not > to me. > > Before participating to this thread I was really clear: please address any > comment of the affiliated selected board seats in another place. Here we > are speaking of the mailing list. > > It means that, following my coherence, I would strictly comply with the > topic of this thread. > > Kind regards > > On 21.10.2015 15:18, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton wrote: > >> This do not answers any of my questions... opacity even in the talk, the >> via will not make any difference. >> >> On 21 October 2015 at 10:43, Ilario Valdelli wrote: >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats >>> >>> >>> On 21.10.2015 14:09, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton wrote: >>> >>> >>> > > -- > Ilario Valdelli > Wikimedia CH > Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens > Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre > Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera > Switzerland - 8008 Zürich > Tel: +41764821371 > http://www.wikimedia.ch > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list
This do not answers any of my questions... opacity even in the talk, the via will not make any difference. On 21 October 2015 at 10:43, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats > > > On 21.10.2015 14:09, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton wrote: > >> " it's not good to give publicly comments on the candidates." Why is that >> so? >> And candidates? To what? >> >> On 21 October 2015 at 06:12, Ilario Valdelli wrote: >> >> Exactly, the problem is the manageability. >>> >>> At the moment chapters list is more or less manageable because it needs >>> few subscribers per chapter. >>> >>> The chapters mailing list must be kept "private" because it's not good to >>> give publicly comments on the candidates. >>> >>> The need of privacy is crucial. >>> >>> Migrating the chapters mailing list to an affiliates mailing list has no >>> sense, but there is a real need to have a place of discussion for >>> affiliates. >>> >>> Considering the high number of affiliates I agree that it would be >>> difficult to assure a privacy. >>> >>> If you remember well, this has been also the killing reason for internal >>> mailing list when private discussions were public immediately after the >>> first post. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> On 21.10.2015 05:04, Risker wrote: >>> >>> Snipping this separately. >>>> >>>> There are almost 90 affiliates (including chapters and thematic >>>> organizations), and this number is growing rapidly. If each one can >>>> have >>>> two or three members of this mailing list, we're talking hundreds of >>>> subscribers. A list with that many subscribers is never going to really >>>> remain private and confidential. Anyone who is discussing anything >>>> 'sensitive' on a list with that many subscribers is, frankly, doing it >>>> in >>>> the wrong place. The existing chapters-l and internal-l mailing lists >>>> used >>>> to leak like sieves when they were in heavy use (and in addition the >>>> information that was leaked was often distorted and incomplete). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>> Ilario Valdelli >>> Wikimedia CH >>> Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens >>> Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre >>> Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera >>> Switzerland - 8008 Zürich >>> Tel: +41764821371 >>> http://www.wikimedia.ch >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>> >>> >> >> > > -- > Ilario Valdelli > Wikimedia CH > Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens > Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre > Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera > Switzerland - 8008 Zürich > Tel: +41764821371 > http://www.wikimedia.ch > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list
" it's not good to give publicly comments on the candidates." Why is that so? And candidates? To what? On 21 October 2015 at 06:12, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > Exactly, the problem is the manageability. > > At the moment chapters list is more or less manageable because it needs > few subscribers per chapter. > > The chapters mailing list must be kept "private" because it's not good to > give publicly comments on the candidates. > > The need of privacy is crucial. > > Migrating the chapters mailing list to an affiliates mailing list has no > sense, but there is a real need to have a place of discussion for > affiliates. > > Considering the high number of affiliates I agree that it would be > difficult to assure a privacy. > > If you remember well, this has been also the killing reason for internal > mailing list when private discussions were public immediately after the > first post. > > Kind regards > > On 21.10.2015 05:04, Risker wrote: > >> Snipping this separately. >> >> There are almost 90 affiliates (including chapters and thematic >> organizations), and this number is growing rapidly. If each one can have >> two or three members of this mailing list, we're talking hundreds of >> subscribers. A list with that many subscribers is never going to really >> remain private and confidential. Anyone who is discussing anything >> 'sensitive' on a list with that many subscribers is, frankly, doing it in >> the wrong place. The existing chapters-l and internal-l mailing lists >> used >> to leak like sieves when they were in heavy use (and in addition the >> information that was leaked was often distorted and incomplete). >> >> >> > -- > Ilario Valdelli > Wikimedia CH > Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens > Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre > Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera > Switzerland - 8008 Zürich > Tel: +41764821371 > http://www.wikimedia.ch > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list
rs (so excludes a > > > majority > > > > >> of > > > > >>>>> our affiliates), and not something we have promoted recently. > My > > > > >> personal > > > > >>>>> hope is that this new broader list replaces that one over time, > > but > > > > >> that > > > > >>>> is > > > > >>>>> not something we can “force” as it’s not a resource we > officially > > > > help > > > > >>>>> manage. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> -greg (User:Varnent) > > > > >>>>> Vice Chair, Affiliations Committee > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:19 PM, Pine W > > wrote: > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> Hi Carlos, > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> Can you clarify how this list relates to the existing chapters > > > > mailing > > > > >>>>>> list? (Also, please see the discussion at > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Affiliates_Network#Mailing_list_request_for_comment > > > > >>>>>> ). > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> Thanks, > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> Pine > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Carlos M. Colina < > > > > >>>>> ma...@wikimedia.org.ve> > > > > >>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> Dear all, > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> On behalf of the Affiliations Committe, I am pleased to > > introduce > > > > the > > > > >>>>>>> launch of the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list, which is > > > > basically a > > > > >>>>> place > > > > >>>>>>> for all the affiliates (chapters, thematic organizations, > user > > > > >> groups) > > > > >>>>> to > > > > >>>>>>> discuss issues related to affiliates, make announcements to > > other > > > > >>>>>>> affiliates, and collaborate on activities and community-wide > > > > events. > > > > >>>> The > > > > >>>>>>> idea is to help facilitate the dialogue affiliates across our > > > > >>>> movement, > > > > >>>>>>> plus collaborative discussions like community-wide > activities, > > > > joint > > > > >>>>>>> edit-a-thons, regional conferences, blog/report posts, or > other > > > > >>>>>>> communications from affiliates. > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> Each Wikimedia movement affiliate is allocated three spots on > > the > > > > >>>>> mailing > > > > >>>>>>> list. All affiliates may contact the Affiliations Committee > to > > > > >> request > > > > >>>>>>> additional spots if needed. > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> Please find a bit more information on Meta: > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/Affiliates_mailing_list > > > > >>>>>>> and do not hesitate contacting us if you have further > > questions. > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> Regards, > > > > >>>>>>> Carlos > > > > >>>>>>> -- > > > > >>>>>>> "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee > > > > >>>> wayuukanairua > > > > >>>>>>> junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi > waya > > > > >>>> junain." > > > > >>>>>>> Carlos M. Colina > > > > >>>>>>> Socio, A.C. 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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Earth 2015 winners announced!
Some nice pics, you are improving (some countries need better, to not say, have judges) Its sad to see that most of the winners will not a Featured Pictures at Commons. I would like to see bigger photos, print most of this images will not be good... On 15 October 2015 at 19:50, attolippip wrote: > Hi everyone and sorry for crossposting :) > > Best regards, > antanana > ED of Wikimedia Ukraine > > -- Forwarded message -- > > We are happy to announce the results of Wiki Loves Earth photo contest! And > we would like to take this occasion to thank those of you who helped us > make this WLE happen, be it by coordinating a national contest or providing > technical help, uploading photos or working in a jury. > > So, the winning photo is... > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Shangrila_Resorts.jpg , a photo of > Lower Kachura Lake from Pakistan by Zaeem Siddiq. Top-15 also includes > photos from (alphabetically) Austria, Brazil, Estonia, France, Germany, > Rep. of Macedonia, Poland, Portugal, Russia, Thailand, Tunisia amd Ukraine > > The top-15 photos were published in Wikimedia blog : > http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/10/15/wiki-loves-earth-winners/ > <http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/10/15/wiki-loves-earth-winners/!> . We > have > also published a jury report with full results and some comments from the > jury : > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wle-jury-report-2015-lores.pdf > > As results are public now, we would like to ask you to do the following: > * Please translate this post into your language! Translations can be done > at > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Blog/Drafts/See_the_stunning_winning_photographs_from_Wiki_Loves_Earth_2015 > , and we would especially love to see translations into languages of > winners (Arabic, Estonian, French, German, Macedonian, Polish, Portuguese, > Russian, Thai and Urdu)! > * Please add descriptions of this photos into your language - and consider > adding them to articles of your Wikipedia (and write th! em if you don't > have yet!) > * and of course feel free to add to articles and/or nominate for featured > or quality images any of 108,000 Wiki Loves Earth images: > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_from_Wiki_Loves_Earth_2015 > > Thanks again to those who helped this edition of Wiki Loves Earth become a > success and hope to see you in May 2016 for the next edition! > > For the international team, > Mykola Kozlenko (NickK) > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] possible power point or pdf file
*context On 6 August 2015 at 13:23, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton < rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com> wrote: > Normally I like to show the contest of Wikimedia Movement inserting inside > the Free Culture Movement, so this how our group structure presentations: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oficinas/2015-03-25, ok its in > Portuguese, but Google Translate made this understandable, and videos are > in English... any doubt, let me know and I'll do the best I can to solve. > Peace! > > > On 6 August 2015 at 13:18, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Maybe related: >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvgchlOrhI4 (Wikimania 2013) >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR1hvyeJkE4 (Wikimania 2014) >> >> Kind regards >> Ziko >> >> >> 2015-08-06 17:47 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Paumier : >> > Hello Mardetanha, >> > >> > Le jeudi 6 août 2015, 19:52:17 Mardetanha a écrit : >> >> >> >> within next month I am going to give lecture about wikipedia and sister >> >> projects, I would like to know if have already prepared file to >> describe >> >> about wikipedia (and all sister projects), that I can use for this >> event. >> >> even if it is old it would be useful and I will update with current >> >> information. >> > >> > There is a repository of presentations about Wikimedia projects at >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Presentations , and another one at >> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_presentations . >> I'm not >> > sure many are up-to-date, but they can be used as inspiration to get you >> > started :) >> > >> > There's also a smaller list at >> > https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_room/WMF_Presentations but >> they >> > seem more outdated. >> > >> > Hope that helps, >> > >> > -- >> > Guillaume Paumier >> > >> > ___ >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> >> _______ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/guidelineswikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org> >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > > > > -- > Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com > +55 11 979 718 884 > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] possible power point or pdf file
Normally I like to show the contest of Wikimedia Movement inserting inside the Free Culture Movement, so this how our group structure presentations: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oficinas/2015-03-25, ok its in Portuguese, but Google Translate made this understandable, and videos are in English... any doubt, let me know and I'll do the best I can to solve. Peace! On 6 August 2015 at 13:18, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > Hello, > > Maybe related: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvgchlOrhI4 (Wikimania 2013) > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR1hvyeJkE4 (Wikimania 2014) > > Kind regards > Ziko > > > 2015-08-06 17:47 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Paumier : > > Hello Mardetanha, > > > > Le jeudi 6 août 2015, 19:52:17 Mardetanha a écrit : > >> > >> within next month I am going to give lecture about wikipedia and sister > >> projects, I would like to know if have already prepared file to describe > >> about wikipedia (and all sister projects), that I can use for this > event. > >> even if it is old it would be useful and I will update with current > >> information. > > > > There is a repository of presentations about Wikimedia projects at > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Presentations , and another one at > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_presentations . > I'm not > > sure many are up-to-date, but they can be used as inspiration to get you > > started :) > > > > There's also a smaller list at > > https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_room/WMF_Presentations but > they > > seem more outdated. > > > > Hope that helps, > > > > -- > > Guillaume Paumier > > > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation rules for this mailing list
funny, close list, close decisions, heavy moderation... this is away more present on Wikimedia Movement than should be, but the speech is always the opposite... The "free" is just a slogan, it's not a value... On 9 June 2015 at 09:24, Fæ wrote: > Thanks. > > Note that secret complaints or allegations that are not shared, are neither > evidence nor a clear rationale for the moderated person. > > An open and transparent process is desirable for everyone. > > Fae > On 9 Jun 2015 13:04, "David Gerard" wrote: > > > On 9 June 2015 at 12:08, Fæ wrote: > > > > > Considering my poor experience on another list of being moderated > > > without a clear explanation or evidence, > > > > > > This claim is factually inaccurate. You were put on mod on > > wikimediauk-l after multiple complaints from other readers about > > repeated obnoxious behaviour on your part, particularly when you > > started again after promising you'd stop. > > > > You're off mod now, but please don't start up again. > > > > > > - d. > > > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wmcon15] Re: [Wikisource-l] Wikisource UG report on the WMCON15
could you pleas share that on Meta? On 30 May 2015 at 06:13, David Cuenca Tudela wrote: > Dear Asaf and Juan Bautista, > > Thanks a lot for your comments, I am glad to have some feedback on these > ideas that were discussed during the WMCON. They are not entirely mine, > they just popped up while discussing the topic and I think they might be > interesting to explore them. > > TBH, I think they need more discussion in person and see if there are any > takers. It is a big responsibility to start leading projects, specially now > that the (human) interfaces are not that clear. > > If the Wikisource conference does happen in the end, it will be the perfect > to advance on these discussions and start experimenting with organizational > structures. Better to experiment at little scale first and learn from it > than to expect global change without testing it first on the local level > first. > > Cheers, > Micru > > On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 7:30 AM Juan Bautista H. Alegre < > johnny.ale...@wikimedia.org.ph> wrote: > > > I'm all for this. > > > > Juan Bautista Alegre > > Wikimedia Philippines > > > > > > — > > Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox> > > > > On Saturday May 30, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Asaf Bartov >, > > wrote: > > > > Thank you for sharing this. I could not attend that session, and this > > was an interesting read. I would be happy to advise on some of the > > proposed ideas if there are people interested in leading them. > > > >A. > > > > On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 2:04 AM, David Cuenca Tudela > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > >> > >> I have written a short piece on the WMCON and some interesting aspects > >> about the organizational future of User Groups. > >> > >> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ew8cVJhqqenGUAVVaTQqkisyPyd1tSX-zbVfi-Uuo8U/edit?usp=sharing > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Micru > >> > >> ___ > >> Wikisource-l mailing list > >> wikisourc...@lists.wikimedia.org > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Asaf Bartov > > Wikimedia Foundation <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org> > > > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share > > in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! > > https://donate.wikimedia.org > > > > ___ > > Wmcon15_wikimedia.de mailing list > > wmco...@wikimedia.de > > https://ml06.ispgateway.de/mailman/listinfo/wmcon15_wikimedia.de > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikinews and free journalism
Thanks, I spend a hard time digging into Signpost to find any new information, but I just found Wikipedia, Wikipedia, Wikipedia, and lets close Wikinews... Even in "collaboration on breaking news" is about Wikipedia, Anyone knows anything about free journalism? [off-topic] Digging there a saw a lot of complains about WP that could be answered as go to another wiki, e.g.: "Racing books are usually written much more in a sports journalism style, which is not well suited to encyclopedias" >>> go to wikinews GNG should have something that WP-fr does to people, but should extend to anything, "qui lui aient consacré un article ou un chapitre, espacées d'au moins deux ans." Breaking news is not encyclopaedic, this kind of construction should be redirect to the Wikinews... we do not know the real impact... and we create things like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombings (less dead people then a car accident), not important at all... 201,425 bytes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide 1 million people died 125,493 bytes And: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio_mayoral_election,_2015 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2012 ... All news... people using wikipedia as a newspaper (a very bad one that change the information, and remove pass steps of the history) and they don't know why Wikinews don't grow... Sorry, just ventilating after a few hours reading Wikipediacentrism ... On 8 May 2015 at 00:55, Aleksey Bilogur wrote: > There has been coverage in the Signpost. Try following through this link: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&action=edit§ion=new&preview=yes&preload=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Templates/Index_preload&preloadparams[]=wikinews > > On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton < > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hello guys, > > > > I'm struggling to find any kind of discussion/research about wikinews and > > the relation with free journalism (free as defined here: > > http://freedomdefined.org/Definition). > > > > Did you know any kind of paper, article about it? Or even articles about > > free journalism (free mean fre, providing sources, the result is > under > > a free license...) > > > > Thanks for the attention > > > > > > > > -- > > Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton > > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com > > +55 11 979 718 884 > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
[Wikimedia-l] Wikinews and free journalism
Hello guys, I'm struggling to find any kind of discussion/research about wikinews and the relation with free journalism (free as defined here: http://freedomdefined.org/Definition). Did you know any kind of paper, article about it? Or even articles about free journalism (free mean fre, providing sources, the result is under a free license...) Thanks for the attention -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Wikimedia Community Brazilian Group of Education and Research
How that happened? This group presented objectives based on Education and Research, but all "actives" showed was not even close to the educational scope. - Activities: <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Brazilian_Group_of_Education_and_Research#Projects_and_Activities>: Wiki Loves Earth, not academic, Campus Party Brasil, not even close to be academic, edit-a-thon outside the academic world... "Book chapter regarding Wikipedia Education Program in Brasil" = work made trough the WMF Catalyst Programme, not a WUG activity = scheming to seem more important than it is... AffCom recently renewal another WUG group here in Brazil that do not do any activities, and uses chapters tools, and do not give us any criteria used to explain the renewal, you will give the whys here? And the creator of this group do not even have the trusty from the ones who adopted him when he arrived at the Wikimedia Movement in Brazil: "I really do not understand what is happening to this group and what's on your minds. Helped sling it and defend it and then I was shooed away without any defined process or transparency" [1] the group that he is talking is the first WUG created here in Brazil, the dorm one mentioned above, that using the WMF Brazil Programme + AffCom closed the WMBR initiative (hooray!). And some of them clearly showed to be oppose to that:[2] AffCom acts very strange when the topic is Brazil, the WMBR proposal, after years do not received any justification to why they want so bad to avoid [3], they force a creation of a new group to assume the leadership in Brazil, and now are approving another chapter initiative with headers that not even the guys that the AffCom put against WMBR to create the WUG-BR, trust... [1] https://br.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:%C3%81gora#Adequa.C3.A7.C3.A3o_do_wiki [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Brazilian_Group_of_Education_and_Research/User_Group_Proposal#Oppose [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Brasil/AffCom#A_message_from_the_Affiliations_Committee On 13 April 2015 at 14:36, Santi Navarro wrote: > Parabéns / Congratulations > > > El 2015-04-12 13:28, ma...@wikimedia.org.ve escribió: > >> Dear all, >> >> The Affiliations Commitee has approved the recognition[1] of the >> Wikimedia Community Brazilian Group of Education and Research as a >> Wikimedia User Group. The focus[2] of this new group is the >> integration of the Brazilian and Lusophone academic community into the >> Wikimedia movement, thus supporting the development of new projects, >> research, contests, events and other activities. >> >> Please, join us in welcoming the newest member of the family! >> >> Parabéns e tudo de bom! >> >> Carlos >> >> 1: >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/ >> Resolutions/Wikimedia_Community_Brazilian_Group_of_ >> Education_and_Research_-_Liaison_approval,_April_2015 >> 2: >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Brazilian_ >> Group_of_Education_and_Research/User_Group_Proposal >> >> ___ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
[Wikimedia-l] Renewal of Recognition to Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil
Hello, how are you guys? Cornelius Kibelka send me the link of this thread, by mistake, in one discussion on Meta.[1] And the Carlos Colina's answer is, lets say, "wow! It's super freak weird!!!", because in the WMBR mailing list, one volunteer "asked" who send the request and one of the "proposal's organizers" wrote: *"Eu não pedi e até onde sei ninguém pediu."* [2] <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediabr-l/2015-February/016241.html> pt >>> en I did not request and as far I know, no one did. So, Mr. Colina, could pleas clarify to the Movement who requested? And where? Because the Brazilian community and not even the WUG BR proposal's organizers know that. [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Conference_2015/Overview_Eligibility_Statuses [2] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediabr-l/2015-February/016241.html -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please rename this list to shitfight-l, and give us a list where civil discussion about wikimedia can take place
But this behaviour that you are saying is so Wikimedia Movement, the name is totally correct. And expect a block, because they are free, but they "need to act in the name of the community, to stop 'trolls'". ;) On 16 June 2014 00:51, Dennis Pierri wrote: > Agreed, this list has seen too much personal confrontation, fights and > general shit and nothing really productive lately, by the way, be > ready for the shit storm from those who feel alluded. > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 10:33 PM, billinghurst > wrote: > > I am looking for a productive mailing list that discusses matters of > > importance to the Wikimedia community. That the people on such a list can > > have these discussions politely, respectfully, and with concern for > others > > in that the words that say, and attitudes taken. I want to see > > announcements, I want to see a higher quality of conversation on what > > should be a flaglist in the mailing list space of Wikimedia. > > > > We don't have it. One gets to the point of utter frustration with this > > list, and it is time that the backstabbers, frontstabbers, bitchfighters, > > venal, conceited, etc. need a place to kill each other with as much venom > > as possible, but not under the more impressive and specific name of > > wikimedia-l. So please rename this list, and take all its people to > > something befitting the behaviour seen. Then please produce a clean list > > for those who don't have to have the antics of these unbearable, > > egotistical, and apparently intolerant and chauvinistic people, and > please > > don't let them join that list. They can have their shithole and revel in > > it. They know who they are and they would feel ashamed if they had a > > modicum of interest outside of themselves. > > > > If that is not possible, then those of who us who want a higher quality > > discussion will unsubscribe, and be unrepresented and unheard. Another > win > > for the trolls, and a sad reflection on the direction. > > > > Regards, Billinghurst > > > > > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > -- > > Dennis Pierri > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Bad usage of money in Brazil
"how can you help" yeah, you didn't get. -> "you are not welcome"... I can't do this kind of things, you can (I think). Something is going wrong, the community is losing space for a programme imposed by the WMF to Brazil. And this is not just me that are saying that, i.e.: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_comment%2FBad_usage_of_money_in_Brazil&diff=8709365&oldid=8683364 And this is a request for a comment, not a "stop the machines", is a "what do you think about this spends?", "it's ok they use the donation money in this way?", because I have a bias on this, I'm the guy how look this idea in 2011 and predicted the community losing space to the Programme, and this crazy no optimized uses of money, maybe the answer is "it's ok", "yeah, Brazilians volunteers are not capable do to this type of activities, let the professionals do" (I already received this one)... Just one think, why are you concerning about the efficiency of my questions, but not if the spendings? "3 times more money, plus 100 times more people, why we can't expect at least 10 times more?" Obs: I get you, and I really think that you are right, but this is not for all situations; and this one, that staffs are making funny of volunteers, using money without not even concerning about the communities thoughts, without any data about this money, and using a fake flag saying that this a community activity... this a think to stop for a moment and say "well, this is ok?" Xoxo On 31 May 2014 21:14, Lodewijk wrote: > Hi Rodrigo, > > asking questions about a WLM competition would be the right time now > indeed. But then you should phrase your questions that way: are they still > planning to organize a WLM, how can you help them and what are they > planning budget/prize wise. You could also suggest to plan an evaluation > moment between those two, to evaluate for example the prizes. > > Whether it is a chapter, WMF project or something else shouldn't matter (if > it does, it usually is a sign something goes wrong). > > I'm just saying that complaining about the WLE competition right now is > unhelpful - nothing is going to change anyway because the competition is > already underway. In that case, it is more effective to wait until it is > finished so that you can evaluate, and learn from it. You could focus right > now on formulating questions to ask during evaluation. If you share those > in advance, people can already think a bit about them. > > This is not a matter of caring or not caring - this is a matter of being > effective and efficient. > > Best, > Lodewijk > > > 2014-06-01 2:06 GMT+02:00 Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton < > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com>: > > > Well Lodewijk, they announce the values during the WLE, not before to > > discuss (I wrote that in Meta), and more, they are trying to do a event > > after the WLE that will cost ~9000 USD. > > And they promised to do a WLM too, how much money they will spend on that > > too. Furthermore, I tried to do in the soft way, asking they in the page > of > > the event, they blocked my for no reason, the reason given was "you are > not > > welcome"... > > > > Remember, this is not a Wikimedia Chapter, this is the Brazil Program > (WMF > > project) the are doing this event, without accountability, discussion > with > > any community, transparency... > > > > We could not do that before because they did had not opened how much they > > would spend, and we can't wait moths to do, because we are not that far > > from WLM, and always have some guys saying "this already go, doesn't > > matter"... > > > > If we do not care, who will care? > > > > > > On 31 May 2014 06:37, Lodewijk wrote: > > > > > Dear Rodrigo, > > > > > > As you probably realize, the Wiki Loves Earth competition is ongoing > > > already - and it is highly unlikely that things will change /during/ > the > > > competition. Raising this right now, in this aggressive way (not going > > > towards a solution) is primarily obstructive. > > > > > > What would be much more constructive is if you either decide to invest > > your > > > effort in making this investment worth while (increase the impact), or > to > > > help during the evaluation/next time's organization. That way you can > > > actually impact the way money is being spent, and volunteers are being > > > empowered effectively. > > > > > > Unless I'm missing something (what you're actually trying to > accompl
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Bad usage of money in Brazil
Well Lodewijk, they announce the values during the WLE, not before to discuss (I wrote that in Meta), and more, they are trying to do a event after the WLE that will cost ~9000 USD. And they promised to do a WLM too, how much money they will spend on that too. Furthermore, I tried to do in the soft way, asking they in the page of the event, they blocked my for no reason, the reason given was "you are not welcome"... Remember, this is not a Wikimedia Chapter, this is the Brazil Program (WMF project) the are doing this event, without accountability, discussion with any community, transparency... We could not do that before because they did had not opened how much they would spend, and we can't wait moths to do, because we are not that far from WLM, and always have some guys saying "this already go, doesn't matter"... If we do not care, who will care? On 31 May 2014 06:37, Lodewijk wrote: > Dear Rodrigo, > > As you probably realize, the Wiki Loves Earth competition is ongoing > already - and it is highly unlikely that things will change /during/ the > competition. Raising this right now, in this aggressive way (not going > towards a solution) is primarily obstructive. > > What would be much more constructive is if you either decide to invest your > effort in making this investment worth while (increase the impact), or to > help during the evaluation/next time's organization. That way you can > actually impact the way money is being spent, and volunteers are being > empowered effectively. > > Unless I'm missing something (what you're actually trying to accomplish) > this is probably the least impactful moment to have this discussion - a few > months earlier or later would have been. > > Best, > Lodewijk > > > 2014-05-31 3:50 GMT+02:00 Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton < > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com>: > > > "way the topic was raised." funny > > > > Thank you Jaime Anstee, Lodewijk for the explanation and context. > > > > I don't if Mr. Alvarenga can see, but "I don't criticize the organizers, > > they are newbies in the Wikimedia movement", is one of the main problems > > here, why they can have the power spend this money without consulting, > your > > point increase the size of this issue, if they don't know what they are > > doing, why they can manage/access this quantity of money? > > And find for me photo contest in Brazil manage by NGOs without partners > > that hits this quantity of money, and this is just the prize, the whole > > contest was evaluated in 30'850,00 reais ~14'000.00 dollars... > > > > > > > > > > On 30 May 2014 15:18, Everton Zanella Alvarenga < > > everton.alvare...@okfn.org> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have no idea about the prizes for other places to compare, but I > > > must say 10k reais (~5k USD) is a small amount of money for the value > > > generate by this type of competition, in my opinion. > > > > > > At the moment I am running through the organization I coordinate a > > > challenge which will give prizes of this order, although we won't give > > > it in cash, but a trip to Open Knowledge Festival > > > <http://2014.okfestival.org/> next July, books and games, all > > > catalysing the creative use of technology and free software. And this > > > is from a very tiny organization 6 month old. > > > > > > The results from this competition led by the education program > > > coordinator in Brazil seems good so far. I think one thing that could > > > be improved was to consult the community in a more open way to avoid > > > the actual wikidramas and I tend not to like prizes in cash, but > > > simbolic one, like a trip to Wikimania would make much more sense for > > > me or some prize related to photograph. > > > > > > I don't criticize the organizers, they are newbies in the Wikimedia > > > movement and let's assume good faith, but I think it's a good > > > opportunity to discuss the issue globally, although the way the topic > > > was raised. > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > ___ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > >
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Bad usage of money in Brazil
"way the topic was raised." funny Thank you Jaime Anstee, Lodewijk for the explanation and context. I don't if Mr. Alvarenga can see, but "I don't criticize the organizers, they are newbies in the Wikimedia movement", is one of the main problems here, why they can have the power spend this money without consulting, your point increase the size of this issue, if they don't know what they are doing, why they can manage/access this quantity of money? And find for me photo contest in Brazil manage by NGOs without partners that hits this quantity of money, and this is just the prize, the whole contest was evaluated in 30'850,00 reais ~14'000.00 dollars... On 30 May 2014 15:18, Everton Zanella Alvarenga wrote: > Hi, > > I have no idea about the prizes for other places to compare, but I > must say 10k reais (~5k USD) is a small amount of money for the value > generate by this type of competition, in my opinion. > > At the moment I am running through the organization I coordinate a > challenge which will give prizes of this order, although we won't give > it in cash, but a trip to Open Knowledge Festival > <http://2014.okfestival.org/> next July, books and games, all > catalysing the creative use of technology and free software. And this > is from a very tiny organization 6 month old. > > The results from this competition led by the education program > coordinator in Brazil seems good so far. I think one thing that could > be improved was to consult the community in a more open way to avoid > the actual wikidramas and I tend not to like prizes in cash, but > simbolic one, like a trip to Wikimania would make much more sense for > me or some prize related to photograph. > > I don't criticize the organizers, they are newbies in the Wikimedia > movement and let's assume good faith, but I think it's a good > opportunity to discuss the issue globally, although the way the topic > was raised. > > Tom > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Bad usage of money in Brazil
Hey Pine, For me, this is just a small and visible part of the iceberg, sadly. I not will go deeper in that, because I do not have stomach for, patiences, and way to do that. I already send massages to Asaf pointing this, in respect. But thanks for the tip. Cheers. On 22 May 2014 03:52, ENWP Pine wrote: > > Hi Rodrigo, > > Thank you for these questions. There have been questions about the India > program as well, so these questions about Brazil can be added to the list > of > issues for WMF to investigate. > > I am not personally familiar with either of the Brazil or India catalyst > programs, > but I suggest that you contact Asaf or Anasuya if you don't get a response > on this list or on the discussion page within two days. > > Thank you again for bringing up these questions. > > Pine > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Bad usage of money in Brazil
Could you pleas give me some opinions on this: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Bad_usage_of_money_in_Brazil -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiReaders4Kids
inux? > > If > > > > you were successfull with that, please, let me know. Their apps are > > just > > > > for Windows and Mac stuff. > > > > > > > > I'll check if'd possible to have these machines sold somehow in South > > > > America. Ideas? At least we still don't have at our recent Amazon < > > > > http://www.amazon.com.br/> site. > > > > > > > > Maybe it would be good to suggest wikireader producers to have the > > > hardware > > > > source open as well, if that don't make they go bankrupt. Who knows > we > > > > could produce locally. > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 1:27 AM, Victor Grigas > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > My partner and I just started a campaign on Indiegogo.com to raise > > > funds to > > > > > buy all remaining WikiReaders and distribute them to schools and > kids > > > in > > > > > places that don't have internet at no charge to the schools and > kids. > > > > > > > > > > The campaign is here: > > > > > > > > > http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-us-distribute-wikireaders-to-kids > > > > > > > > > > The video is here: > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j07ROeiaFg0 > > > > > > > > > > Please consider funding the campaign and if you can't fund the > > > campaign, > > > > > please share the link with others! > > > > > > > > > > While I am an employee of the Wikimedia Foundation, I am doing this > > > > > entirely as a volunteer. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > *Victor Grigas* > > > > > Storyteller <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Knv6D6Thi0> > > > > > Wikimedia Foundation > > > > > vgri...@wikimedia.org > > > > > +1 (415) 839-6885 x 6773 > > > > > 149 New Montgomery Street 6th floor > > > > > San Francisco, CA 94105 > > > > > https://donate.wikimedia.org/ > > > > > ___ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) > > > > "A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more > > useful > > > > than a life spent doing nothing." > > > > ___ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > > ___ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > > -- > > *Victor Grigas* > Storyteller <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Knv6D6Thi0> > Wikimedia Foundation > vgri...@wikimedia.org > +1 (415) 839-6885 x 6773 > 149 New Montgomery Street 6th floor > San Francisco, CA 94105 > https://donate.wikimedia.org/ > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: [WCA][Governance] Training for chapter and thematic org. board members
I'm not talking about egalitarian values of political powers, but we are in the most adverse situations in completely different countries, cultures and unequal values. These are factors that should be taken into consideration, the world is not Europe, and in Europe there are many differences. On 22 April 2013 04:48, Fae wrote: > On 22 April 2013 08:25, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton > wrote: > > I didn't like the idea, because, chapters are not equal. > > I believe the chapters are equal. Yes, yes, I'm a idealist dreamer. :-) > > Certainly all chapters (and in the future 'thorgs') have exactly one > voice each, one vote each, one representative each, regardless of how > many staff they employ, how big their budget is, or even how > successful their programmes are in delivering charitable outcomes. > > > Why you don't focus your energy sharing experiences in one open wiki, > > creating a cookbook (not a manual), and than another communities can use > > this material too... > > I do not think this is an either/or situation. All materials will be > public and volunteers helping the WCA task teams are already working > on making case studies and cookbook materials available. > > One benefit of making all materials used in a future training and > workshop session public, is that they can be re-used and improved; for > example by volunteers making these available in different languages or > running their own regional sessions for chapter board members and > others that play a part in chapter governance. > > Cheers, > Fae > -- > fae...@gmail.com http://j.mp/faewm > Guide to email tags: http://j.mp/mfae > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: [WCA][Governance] Training for chapter and thematic org. board members
I didn't like the idea, because, chapters are not equal. Why you don't focus your energy sharing experiences in one open wiki, creating a cookbook (not a manual), and than another communities can use this material too... On 22 April 2013 03:41, Stefan Fussan wrote: > Very good idea. You can put me on your trainee list > > Cheers, > > Stefan aka Fussi > > > 2013/4/21 Bence Damokos > > > Sounds like a great idea. > > > > Best regards, > > Bence > > > > On Sunday, April 21, 2013, Fae wrote: > > > The majority of chapter boards (and the proposed thematic > > > organizations) do not routinely have an induction process with > > > training in expected reporting requirements, liability as directors, > > > the role of oversight and how to maintain a competent and professional > > > board function, etc. > > > > > > At the Milan conference, I shall be proposing that the WCA takes a > > > lead in arranging a shared training course and workshop with the aim > > > of this being a regular planned activity, so that chapters and other > > > groups agree basic expectations for the behaviours and competencies of > > > board members, and benefit from the efficiencies of a shared training > > > event, hopefully hosted by one of the chapters with handy facilities > > > to support it. > > > > > > I have chatted about this proposition during coffee breaks with 4 > > > different 'large' chapters, and the feedback so far is that this would > > > be an easy way of improving the quality of our governance and of > > > definite direct benefit to many of our organizations. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Fae > > > -- > > > fae...@gmail.com http://j.mp/faewm > > > Guide to email tags: http://j.mp/mfae > > > > > > ___ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > _______ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Question: How much does administration in Chapters cost the Wikimedia movement?
Interesting So when are you going to adopt the wiki model, and start to encourage morefree discussions and free activities over the institutional choices? On 19 April 2013 12:11, Samuel Klein wrote: > On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Delphine Ménard > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > > Over the years I have always found extremely interesting how Wikimedia > > in general is extremely reticent to "paying" people to "do" things. It > > makes sense in a volunteer culture, even more sense in *our* volunteer > > culture since the Wikimedia organisations would not exist were it not > > for the Wikimedia projects and those in turn would not exist were it > > not for the countless volunteer hours that are put in by the > > communites. But is there really anything tangible we can invest in > > (apart from the technical costs to run the servers and improve the > > software)? > > Yes. We can invest in freeing closed-license knowledge, and > closed-source software, and private databases that are essential to > our work. > > We can invest in [timeshares of] videoconferencing hardware at > hundreds of centers around the world so that most volunteers have > close to a F2F connection with others without paying the fuel, time, > and pollution costs of flying around the world. > > We can invest in providing access to closed repositories of knowledge > (for those repositories so large that we can't directly buy out their > copyright) for our active contributors. > > We can invest in public contests, awards, and other recognition that > both elevate the best work we have and that reach out to content that > we admire and would like to make more available to the world through > our projects. > > > We don't buy stuff that we can sell, we don't need raw > > materials, we don't produce anything that you put in a box and deliver > > at someone's door. > > There is still a huge demand for knowledge packaged in formats that > can be put in a box and delivered to someone's door. We could either > invest in this directly (through production, presentation and > shipping) or indirectly (through building and supporting partners who > do these things). > > > Apart from this I fully support the idea of having Wikimedia > > organisations measure their administrative costs against a common > > scale, although of course we'll have to take into consideration local > > specificities where applicable. > > +1 > > SJ > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Tweet this page" from some or all sites???
Something like this buttons? http://br.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Brasil_nas_escolas On 18 April 2013 12:07, Mathieu Stumpf wrote: > Le 2013-04-18 14:56, Katie Chan a écrit : > > On 18/04/2013 13:51, David Gerard wrote: >> >>> >>> So far, it's apparently a gateway to advertising. >>> >>> Mathieu, I'm not a huge advocate of Twitter buttons, and I think the >>> neutrality objection (do we favour a few services, or have 2000 >>> buttons?) is a serious problem. But your arguments so far have been >>> absolutely terrible. >>> >>> >>> >> We already selectively choose which outside service we display when a >> user click on say an ISBN number or geoip. Doing likewise for share >> buttons wouldn't be something new >> >> Katie >> > > I admit you have a point here. How were this services selected? Was it a > community process? > > > -- > Association Culture-Libre > http://www.culture-libre.org/ > > __**_ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l> > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Ellie Young as Conference Coordinator
Wikimania in Brazil in 2015, so no problems. ;) And, yeah, some strange sport... On 29 March 2013 20:09, Everton Zanella Alvarenga < everton.alvare...@okfn.org> wrote: > [off-topic] > > > 2013/3/29 Matthew Roth > > > > I hear 2014 will be a very busy year in Brasil > > Some sport thing with a ball and a large green pitch :) > > Yeah, we are going to have the world cup, where millions and millions > of reais (our currency) is going to corrupts to an event that lasts > only a few days and only high middle class to rich people (and > foreigners, hey!) will have access to. > > And silly people believe in the silly arguments of economical benefits > from this crap. Just hace a look at South Africa case. :( > > Fortunately, I hope I will stay far from Brazil to don't see this, > because only who live here and use Brazilian public services (I am not > mentioneing the blind middle class) will see the consequences in the > mid and long term of so much corruption. > > Hopefully hotels will be so expensive that Wikimania here won't be > sustainable. > > Tom > > -- > Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) > OKFN Brasil - Rede pelo Conhecimento Livre > http://br.okfn.org > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Ellie Young as Conference Coordinator
She has been to every country in Latin America >> and the Caribbean except Brasil. Why not Brasil? :'( :p welcome, and come to Brasil!!! On 28 March 2013 23:06, Everton Zanella Alvarenga wrote: > Good point, Florence. > > Is it like if we hired someone for a education position to work during > one school term for only 6 months. > > Tom > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:37 PM, Florence Devouard > wrote: > > Welcome again Ellie > > > > A question came to my mind when I read the description of the job. > > > > - making sure there is good continuity and knowledge-transfer as the > > conference moves to new hosts year-over-year. > > > > Yet, she is taking on the role as an annual contract. > > > > Is there not a contradiction here ? > > > > Flo > > > > > -- > Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) > "A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more > useful than a life spent doing nothing." > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero wins!
Facebook here is more used than Google and Orkut, but they are well used to, so... we really don't know why :) On 17 March 2013 05:29, James Alexander wrote: > On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Balázs Viczián < > balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu> wrote: > > > the favorit social media site in Brazil is Orkut. Far far more popular > than > > facebook. If you wish to have a strong social media presence there, > you'll > > have to be present on that. > > > > cheers, Balázs > > > > Tom or someone else from Brazi would know better then me I'm sure but that > doesn't seem to have been true since 2011 ( > > http://www.forbes.com/sites/ricardogeromel/2011/09/14/facebook-surpasses-orkut-owned-by-google-in-numbers-of-users-in-brazil/ > ) > . Looking at the numbers now ( > http://www.alexa.com/topsites/countries/BR) looks like FB is the #1 site > now (of course, it IS Alexa ;) ). > > James > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are chapters part of the community and board seats for affiliates?
The chapters is part of the Movement, and the guys inside the chapter too. *"a collection of organizations (Wikimedia Foundation, Wikimedia chapters etc.), as well as individuals and similar-minded organizations." *- http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Movement Is very easy to understand, just replace Chapter by another NGO partner,sometimes not all people inside the NGO are imbued in helping the Wikimedia Movement, however as the institution supports the Movement, it is part of the Movement regardless of who is in there. On 24 February 2013 07:27, Balázs Viczián wrote: > Maybe I wasn't clear enough, imo chapters are NOT part of the communities > (nor the global community), just a tool for them to achieve certain goals > that otherwise would be much more difficult or (almost) impossible to > reach. > > Balázs > 2013.02.24. 10:34, "Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton" > ezt írta: > > > Two things, one is, I do not know why these discussions are not held in a > > Wiki > > ( ie meta), which is easier to document and much easier to follow. > > > > The second point: > > > > I think the chapters are a significant part of the community, however, as > > only > > one part, the chapters can not, should not speak for the whole. Thus, > > it is interesting > > to have people with most varied visions, perhaps because chapter people > is > > not interesting some kind of group, but for others from the Movement, > that > > affiliation is What they need. More than that, if you only choose people > of > > the chapters, you will never have different visions, so you always > forced, > > in > > a way, that group fits in your reality, or be like a "European" chapter. > > > > > > observations > > > > > >- If there is doubt as what's the chapter role in the Movement, how > can > >we know what is a chapter? Why is there so much energy lost in > >bureaucracies, rather than focusing on activities? Chapters are > > made to perform > >activities? If yes, so why not prioritize the best local structures > for > >this to occur? If not, why choose people from chapter to decide about > >other types of groups that only will do activities? > >- Why AffCom discussions are closed, since you are not the whole > >community? Why need to be so few people, and so obscure? Why not > follow > > the > >other current processes and make openings for communities? > >- If a chapter is something that is done to serve the needs of online > >communities, and people of the chapters make decisions without > > consulting these > >communities, without discussing the annual planning, or strategic > >planning with these communities, how can they accomplish what online > >communities want? And thinking in that, how they will those who is the > >best group for affiliation for the communities? > > > > > > > > On 23 February 2013 15:48, Federico Leva (Nemo) > > wrote: > > > > > I see some fundamental misunderstandings here, which make this > discussion > > > so far not so productive and for which I am/was planning a reply... > > > however, in the end I doubt I'd manage to say it better than Anthere: > > > http://article.gmane.org/**gmane.org.wikimedia.**foundation/6652< > > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/6652> > > > > > > Nemo > > > > > > > > > __**_ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l< > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton > > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com > > +55 11 979 718 884 > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] License issue on GPL and CC-by-sa mix up
Ok, I really understand that, but with they those GFDL? What we can do? On 24 February 2013 06:54, Tomasz Ganicz wrote: > 2013/2/24 Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton : > > Why We don't change your license in pages that gonna receive this > content? > > (I know this is not the best license ever made, but why always the other > > need to be adapt to us, not the opposite?) > > > > Using GPL license for textual content hardly make any sense... It puts > users to a kind of uncertainty what he/she really can do with it as > the license does not contain explanation what is allowed to do with > content, which is not a piece of software. Open wiki textual content > has to be uniformly licensed as every edit is from legal POV creation > of derivative work of previous version. > > > -- > Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz > http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek > http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ > http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29&title=tomasz-ganicz > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Improving the knowledge about the Movement
I totally agree, But why you are doing this under the WCA wing? Why not meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:About chapters, for example. Or better: en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikimedia Movement/Chapters/Data or About or Getting Deeper ?? On 23 February 2013 21:01, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > Hello, > > In accordance with some suggestions from the London conference, I have > started a section on the WCA/Reseach page on Meta Wiki. The Wikimedia > Movement needs more information about itself, and I would very much > appreciate if you could take a look at the page: > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Research > Kind regards > Ziko > > > -- > > --- > Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland > dr. Ziko van Dijk, voorzitter > http://wmnederland.nl/ > > Wikimedia Nederland > Postbus 167 > 3500 AD Utrecht > --- > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] License issue on GPL and CC-by-sa mix up
Why We don't change your license in pages that gonna receive this content? (I know this is not the best license ever made, but why always the other need to be adapt to us, not the opposite?) On 23 February 2013 17:39, David Gerard wrote: > On 23 February 2013 20:29, Platonides wrote: > > > There are a few cases where sharealike licenses include provisions for > > compatible licenses. Sadly, the license owners don't seem too interested > > in advacing in that front. > > > Not completely, to be fair - e.g. GFDL 1.3 including a > port-to-CC-by-sa option *just for us* - but it does take considerable > work and negotiation. > > > - d. > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are chapters part of the community and board seats for affiliates?
Two things, one is, I do not know why these discussions are not held in a Wiki ( ie meta), which is easier to document and much easier to follow. The second point: I think the chapters are a significant part of the community, however, as only one part, the chapters can not, should not speak for the whole. Thus, it is interesting to have people with most varied visions, perhaps because chapter people is not interesting some kind of group, but for others from the Movement, that affiliation is What they need. More than that, if you only choose people of the chapters, you will never have different visions, so you always forced, in a way, that group fits in your reality, or be like a "European" chapter. observations - If there is doubt as what's the chapter role in the Movement, how can we know what is a chapter? Why is there so much energy lost in bureaucracies, rather than focusing on activities? Chapters are made to perform activities? If yes, so why not prioritize the best local structures for this to occur? If not, why choose people from chapter to decide about other types of groups that only will do activities? - Why AffCom discussions are closed, since you are not the whole community? Why need to be so few people, and so obscure? Why not follow the other current processes and make openings for communities? - If a chapter is something that is done to serve the needs of online communities, and people of the chapters make decisions without consulting these communities, without discussing the annual planning, or strategic planning with these communities, how can they accomplish what online communities want? And thinking in that, how they will those who is the best group for affiliation for the communities? On 23 February 2013 15:48, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > I see some fundamental misunderstandings here, which make this discussion > so far not so productive and for which I am/was planning a reply... > however, in the end I doubt I'd manage to say it better than Anthere: > http://article.gmane.org/**gmane.org.wikimedia.**foundation/6652<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/6652> > > Nemo > > > __**_ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l> > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 979 718 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2013 scholarship now accepting application
sooo weird...
Just some observations, my written English is bad, it is something I have to
improve, however, my understanding, both read when listening are close to a
native, and my oral production is excellent (:P). And honestly, I will not
really use my writing ability in Wikimania or Hong Kong, but my English was
evaluated for it.
But I think the message should be "have a level of English sufficient to
follow the lectures, discussions and conversations"
And also I did not find that a good test for English, there's a maximum
limit, but there is no minimum limit. I could say: "I have a very
restricted diet because I am Jewish and vegan, so my diet is restricted to
that."
I could say, or, "I like almost everything, but I'm lactose intolerant, so
I can do much poop if I eat things with milk." Until that can be
interpreted only
as something to check if I have dietary restrictions, as in previous
questionnaires.
And one of the advantages of being Brazilian, is that many of us find it
easy to understand other Latinos, the reverse is not true, I would not find
it strange to see some lectures in Interlingua, or even, Italian or Spanish.
But as the Wikimania is itinerant, lectures in the local language could be
very interesting, and even a form of local people interact more, I
know that English
is present among the HK natives, but I do not see why not have a lectures in
Cantonese to appreciate local culture...
On 19 February 2013 01:09, Mathieu Stumpf wrote:
> Le lundi 18 février 2013 à 21:09 +1100, Liam Wyatt a écrit :
> > Yes, I think that writing "I will bring Stroopwafels" gives you an
> > automatic extra 10points in the scholarship assessment ;-)
> >
> > wittylama.com
> > Peace, love & metadata
>
> Goddamn[1], why do you tell that only now!
>
> [1] Of course you should have read "le Mariage de Figaro" to understand
> this subtle reference :
> {{fr}} http://monsu.desiderio.free.fr/bibliotheque/goddam.html
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG?
Theo, I forward your email to the Brazilian mailing list. On 8 February 2013 20:17, Theo10011 wrote: > D'oh. Wrong list. Apologies. > > -Theo > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Abhishek Suryawanshi < > > i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> *BTW I'd like to join this "Wikipedia club pune" of yours along with 3 > >>> other brazilians, one of them might be under 18 - I'm not sure. I'd > like to > >>> join and speak on its behalf please. * > >>> > >> > >> You are welcome to join it. and relax - below 18, above 18 is last thing > >> we care. Special thanks for bringing in diversity to Club. > >> > >> Call us older generation, but we prefer facebook for communication : > >> https://www.facebook.com/groups/WikipediaClubPune/ > >> Stay connected via group to get updates about club. :-) > >> > >> More than joining, if you 'like' to like things - then you can join > 3767 > >> Club followers - https://www.facebook.com/WikipediaClubPune > >> > >> > > Thank you. > > > > I'd now like to speak on behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune. We would > > officially like to change our language preference to Portuguese, and > affirm > > that Pune is the second bestest place in India, after Delhi. Also We like > > Cheese! Thank you that is all. > > > > Anyway, please look forward to having more brazilian members of your club > > than pune ones. Some of those would be underage boys and girls, but you > are > > from an "older generation" of course. :P > > > > BTW in case you haven't realized, that was not to ask for membership but > > point out how important it is to have a resident as a member unless they > > start speaking for a country or a city they know nothing about. The 18 is > > the age requirement usually set by the law, and when you decide to > > officially register your organization as a society, I'll point you to the > > age requirement law or why parental supervision becomes necessary in some > > cases. > > > > Regards > > Theo > > Apparently, Wikipedia Pune Club member > > > > > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 97 97 18 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement
*"They represent the chapters". * That terrifies me... On 6 February 2013 16:02, Thomas Dalton wrote: > The wca does not make decisions about what is and is not a chapter. The > foundation (through AffCom) does that. > > The council members do not represent the movement. They represent the > chapters. > On Feb 6, 2013 4:30 PM, "Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton" < > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I have not talked to use, said it's weird, and that's all. > > > > Alias, we never spoke for you to use, but you always forced us to use a > > different model, not ours, so that today we could not enter the "club". > And > > even now that we adapt our model to model your model, you have not > approved > > us. > > > > And this is one of the points, if we're not as think as you do, we can > not > > be > > part of the WCA, and not just any volunteer who can opine, are two per > > chapter representing an entire community, and sometimes the chapter does > > not represent the Movement Wikimedia of the country in its entirety, > with a > > gap between the publishing community and the offline community, the first > > one, in this model, would never be represented. > > > > > > > > On 6 February 2013 13:52, Charles Andrès > >wrote: > > > > > In the WCA model the decision making power is held by the council, it > > > means by the assembly of all chapters, there is no high power statutory > > > position. > > > > > > And any chapter can be a member of the Chapter association. > > > > > > > > > charles > > > ___ > > > I use this email for mailing list only. > > > > > > Charles ANDRES, Chairman > > > "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – > > > www.wikimedia.ch > > > Skype: charles.andres.wmch > > > IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch > > > > > > Le 6 févr. 2013 à 16:18, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton < > > > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > > > > > > Administrators are just volunteers with tools that do what the > > community > > > > demands, has no decision-making powers, is not a statutory position. > > > > Furthermore, anyone can volunteer in Wikis, but is not anyone who may > > be > > > a > > > > member of WCA... > > > > > > > > And there are a lot of other differences that I'll let you think. > > > > > > > > On 6 February 2013 13:12, Charles Andrès < > > charles.andres.w...@gmail.com > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > >> I do not see big difference between what you call "wiki model" and > an > > > >> association like the chapters association. > > > >> > > > >> Every individual has the same right, for specific purpose both model > > > need > > > >> to elect a guy that took the responsibility. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ___ > > > >> I use this email for mailing list only. > > > >> > > > >> Charles ANDRES, Chairman > > > >> "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – > > > >> www.wikimedia.ch > > > >> Skype: charles.andres.wmch > > > >> IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch > > > >> > > > >> Le 6 févr. 2013 à 15:55, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton < > > > >> rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > > >> > > > >>> So ... you not believes in the model Wiki, and also not believes > that > > > he > > > >> can be > > > >>> used in other locations, unless in building a encyclopedia? > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On 6 February 2013 12:51, Thomas Dalton > > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> On 6 February 2013 14:44, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton > > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>>> I said this in Berlin, and I will repeat here: Why the chapters > do > > > not > > > >>>>> apply the Wiki model in the offline world? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Because different problems require different solutions. > >
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement
I have not talked to use, said it's weird, and that's all. Alias, we never spoke for you to use, but you always forced us to use a different model, not ours, so that today we could not enter the "club". And even now that we adapt our model to model your model, you have not approved us. And this is one of the points, if we're not as think as you do, we can not be part of the WCA, and not just any volunteer who can opine, are two per chapter representing an entire community, and sometimes the chapter does not represent the Movement Wikimedia of the country in its entirety, with a gap between the publishing community and the offline community, the first one, in this model, would never be represented. On 6 February 2013 13:52, Charles Andrès wrote: > In the WCA model the decision making power is held by the council, it > means by the assembly of all chapters, there is no high power statutory > position. > > And any chapter can be a member of the Chapter association. > > > charles > ___ > I use this email for mailing list only. > > Charles ANDRES, Chairman > "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – > www.wikimedia.ch > Skype: charles.andres.wmch > IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch > > Le 6 févr. 2013 à 16:18, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton < > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > > Administrators are just volunteers with tools that do what the community > > demands, has no decision-making powers, is not a statutory position. > > Furthermore, anyone can volunteer in Wikis, but is not anyone who may be > a > > member of WCA... > > > > And there are a lot of other differences that I'll let you think. > > > > On 6 February 2013 13:12, Charles Andrès >wrote: > > > >> I do not see big difference between what you call "wiki model" and an > >> association like the chapters association. > >> > >> Every individual has the same right, for specific purpose both model > need > >> to elect a guy that took the responsibility. > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> I use this email for mailing list only. > >> > >> Charles ANDRES, Chairman > >> "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – > >> www.wikimedia.ch > >> Skype: charles.andres.wmch > >> IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch > >> > >> Le 6 févr. 2013 à 15:55, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton < > >> rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com> a écrit : > >> > >>> So ... you not believes in the model Wiki, and also not believes that > he > >> can be > >>> used in other locations, unless in building a encyclopedia? > >>> > >>> > >>> On 6 February 2013 12:51, Thomas Dalton > wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 6 February 2013 14:44, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> I said this in Berlin, and I will repeat here: Why the chapters do > not > >>>>> apply the Wiki model in the offline world? > >>>> > >>>> Because different problems require different solutions. > >>>> > >>>> ___ > >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list > >>>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton > >>> rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com > >>> +55 11 97 97 18 884 > >>> ___ > >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list > >>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > >> > >> ___ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list > >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton > > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com > > +55 11 97 97 18 884 > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 97 97 18 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement
HEHHEHEHE, okay, okay So... do you not believe? I find it odd organizations that promote free collaborative construction, do not to believe in their own model, do not use the model itself and talk that should be the model to be used ... "blacksmith's house, wooden skewer"(casa de ferreiro, espeto de pau) [1] I will not prolong, I just think that you are wasting your capacity. Peace. [1]http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casa_de_ferreiro,_espeto_de_pau On 6 February 2013 13:18, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 6 February 2013 14:55, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton > wrote: > > So ... you not believes in the model Wiki, and also not believes that he > can be > > used in other locations, unless in building a encyclopedia? > > It may be useful in other situations, but there is no reason to assume > that just because it's a good way to write an encyclopaedia that it is > going to be a good way to run a chapter. > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 97 97 18 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement
Administrators are just volunteers with tools that do what the community demands, has no decision-making powers, is not a statutory position. Furthermore, anyone can volunteer in Wikis, but is not anyone who may be a member of WCA... And there are a lot of other differences that I'll let you think. On 6 February 2013 13:12, Charles Andrès wrote: > I do not see big difference between what you call "wiki model" and an > association like the chapters association. > > Every individual has the same right, for specific purpose both model need > to elect a guy that took the responsibility. > > > ___ > I use this email for mailing list only. > > Charles ANDRES, Chairman > "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – > www.wikimedia.ch > Skype: charles.andres.wmch > IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch > > Le 6 févr. 2013 à 15:55, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton < > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > > So ... you not believes in the model Wiki, and also not believes that he > can be > > used in other locations, unless in building a encyclopedia? > > > > > > On 6 February 2013 12:51, Thomas Dalton wrote: > > > >> On 6 February 2013 14:44, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton > >> wrote: > >>> I said this in Berlin, and I will repeat here: Why the chapters do not > >>> apply the Wiki model in the offline world? > >> > >> Because different problems require different solutions. > >> > >> ___________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list > >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton > > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com > > +55 11 97 97 18 884 > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 97 97 18 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement
So ... you not believes in the model Wiki, and also not believes that he can be used in other locations, unless in building a encyclopedia? On 6 February 2013 12:51, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 6 February 2013 14:44, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton > wrote: > > I said this in Berlin, and I will repeat here: Why the chapters do not > > apply the Wiki model in the offline world? > > Because different problems require different solutions. > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 97 97 18 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement
I said this in Berlin, and I will repeat here: Why the chapters do not apply the Wiki model in the offline world? Why organizations are hierarchical and bureaucratic as if they came from a horizontal and free group? It is clear that the WCA is going down a wrong path, if the intent is collaboration between chapters, should not have bureaucracies hindering the process. And it is obvious that the editors will not do things offline, the organizational model is the opposite of what they are accustomed. On 6 February 2013 12:27, Tomasz Ganicz wrote: > 2013/2/6 Tom Morris : > > I think the failure of the WCA process thus far has shown an enormous > > lack of connection between chapter bureaucracy and what editors > > actually care about. > > > > Wikimedians have a rightful distaste for off-wiki bureaucracy. The > > distinct lack of formal bureaucracy and organisation (we, of course, > > create our own bureaucracy - see http://enwp.org/WP:WTF ) is one of > > the chief things about Wikimedia projects that a lot of us like. I've > > sat on far too many committees in my life. I have kept a small eye on > > the WCA discussions and have yet to see compelling reasons to think > > that it would do anything to actually directly help the projects. I'm > > sure if I pulled 10 random admins from English Wikipedia and asked > > them what the WCA is, they wouldn't be able to tell me, or they'd give > > me a cynical answer like "it's an empire-building project for > > political players in chapters". > > > > Well, I think your division of wikimedians bureaucrats and editors is > a bit weird, at least regarding WCA members and very en-Wikipedia > centered. Actually vast majority of WCA members are active editors of > various Wikimedia projects. Probably you can't find to many edits of > them on English Wikipedia, but take a look (at least sometimes) on > other Wikimedia projects. Wikipedias in other languages, Wikimedia > Commons, Books, News etc.. > > See for example Ziko edit history in Wikimedia Commons: > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ziko > > Take 10 random English Wikipedia admins and ask them what the FDC is - > I guess the result will be similar to the question regarding WCA. > > Or ask them what is the difference between "Human Resources > Administrator" and "Director of Human Resources", and what these > people are actually doing which benefit directly Wikimedia projects... > > > > -- > Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz > http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek > http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ > http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29&title=tomasz-ganicz > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 97 97 18 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update
I had never seen those pages, and also could not edit, seems too complex for me :P, but CBrown already did, thanks. On 5 January 2013 10:08, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton, 05/01/2013 10:41: > > Thank you, >> >> The importation almost over, just missing the namespace Wikivoyage, now >> we have >> to start cleaning, and... when this page http://www.wikivoyage.org/ will >> be >> updated? >> > > Edit it yourself at https://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Www.wikivoyage.org_* > *template/temp<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Www.wikivoyage.org_template/temp> > > Nemo > > > __**_ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l> > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 97 97 18 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update
Thank you, The importation almost over, just missing the namespace Wikivoyage, now we have to start cleaning, and... when this page http://www.wikivoyage.org/ will be updated? Do not think this wiki needs sysop could stay only with Stewards? On 5 January 2013 05:31, Stefan Fussan wrote: > A warm welcome to the Spanish and Portuguese Wikivoyagers! > > > 2013/1/4 Gerard Meijssen > > > Hoi Etienne, > > Thank you for informing us about the Assamese Wikisource; it is live as > > well :) > > A great day :) > > Thanks, > > GerardM > > > > > > On 4 January 2013 00:40, Etienne Beaule wrote: > > > > > Everyone forgot the assamese wikisource. > > > > > > > > > On 2013-01-03 19:37, "Gerard Meijssen" > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hoi, > > > > I am only the bringer of the good news. I posted this because of the > > many > > > > words we spend on it. It is happily resolved. > > > > Thanks, > > > > GerardM > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4 January 2013 00:01, Everton Zanella Alvarenga > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hi, Gerard. > > > >> > > > >> Thank you. I am sure there were people involved that worked hard to > > > >> make it happen. > > > >> > > > >> The community of Portuguese speakers for sure appreciate these > > efforts. > > > >> > > > >> Tom > > > >> > > > >> 2013/1/3 Gerard Meijssen : > > > >>> Hoi, > > > >>> The Portuguese Wikivoyage has been created. :) > > > >>> Thanks, > > > >>> GerardM > > > >> > > > >> ___ > > > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list > > > >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > >> Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > >> > > > > ___ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 97 97 18 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update
Uhuu Thank all, thanks awesome!!Hooray!! On 3 January 2013 18:28, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > The Portuguese Wikivoyage has been created. :) > Thanks, > GerardM > > > On 12 November 2012 22:31, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton < > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > So you're telling me there's files, but you will not import because no > one > > of the Portuguese speakers helped in the cleaning process? Then I'll > > have to start > > from scratch (something that already exists), denying the existence of a > > community and the previous project and I still have to go through > > various bureaucratic > > processes, so that maybe one day the project (that already exists) come > > into > > existence? > > > > More than that, we have to manually import the WikiTravel, and as we > > have no import > > tool, we will not be able to bring together the history, so authorship is > > not properly credited, breaking the license, something which we can not > do. > > Soon, we will have to find a way to give credit to those who wrote, or > even > > write from scratch... so pretty... > > > > I really wanted to understand the reason for not bringing all the > languages > > of Wikitravel ... everything was under a free license, it would give a > > lot more work? More work than the work to make 2000 new articles in pt? > > > > Tomorrow I restart the project, and maybe in 6 years it will come to have > > the 2000 articles again. For today I have to cancel activities for the > next > > semester that could increase project visibility, after all it does not > > exist > > . > > > > > > I know that Wikipedia is The priority, but for the love of god! > > > > > > On 12 November 2012 15:33, MF-Warburg wrote: > > > > > 2012/11/12 Federico Leva (Nemo) > > > > > > > Roland Unger, 12/11/2012 07:46: > > > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > >> > > > >> the Wikivoyage e.V. got the xml files of more language versions, I > > > >> think also for es, fi, hu, ja, pl, pt, ro and zh from user Wrh2. > > > >> > > > > > > > > Where are they? Again, please publish them. > > > > > > > >> > > > I can only underline this. It would be quite necessary to know how many > > > pages existed there and how active the project actually was (There is > no > > > reason for the language committee to make an exception for all these > > > languages IN BULK if some have actually no current interest from > users). > > > The XML dumps can of course be imported to Incubator in the case that > an > > > own subdomain is not immediately created. > > > Note that some pages for a wikivoyage in Spanish have already been > > started > > > on Incubator, as well as this request/discussion: > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikivoyage_Spanish > > > > > > Besides, can these old wikis from which the xml files were taken still > be > > > accessed? At least it is not http://pt.wikivoyage-old.org/ . > > > > > > > > > > > > >> But there were no users who helped us to check to contents. > > > >> > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Wikivoyage/New_language_**versions > < > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikivoyage/New_language_versions>is > now > > > on Meta, by the way. > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/New_wikis_importers< > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/New_wikis_importers>/might/ want to > help > > > doing the XML import, depending on how much > > > > pre-emptive cleanup is actually needed; you can try asking them. > > > > > > > > > > Indeed ;-) > > > ___ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton > > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com > > +55 11 97 97 18 884 > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 97 97 18 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Wikipedia in the classroom" in Guarani language
ent institutions, including the > > > Education portal of the Argentine government, educ.ar. They released > an > > > special website about the project.[2] Wikimedia Argentina will print > 500 > > > booklets of the Guarani edition to be distributed in schools and other > > > educational institutions, and we expect to publish new editions in > other > > > indigenous languages in 2013. > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Osmar Valdebenito G. > > > Director Ejecutivo > > > A. C. Wikimedia Argentina > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vikipet%C3%A3_mbo%27eha_kot%C3%BDpe.jpg > > > [2] http://wikipediaenelaula.educ.ar/ > > > ___ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > > > > > -- > > skype: node.ue > > > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 97 97 18 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update
So you're telling me there's files, but you will not import because no one of the Portuguese speakers helped in the cleaning process? Then I'll have to start from scratch (something that already exists), denying the existence of a community and the previous project and I still have to go through various bureaucratic processes, so that maybe one day the project (that already exists) come into existence? More than that, we have to manually import the WikiTravel, and as we have no import tool, we will not be able to bring together the history, so authorship is not properly credited, breaking the license, something which we can not do. Soon, we will have to find a way to give credit to those who wrote, or even write from scratch... so pretty... I really wanted to understand the reason for not bringing all the languages of Wikitravel ... everything was under a free license, it would give a lot more work? More work than the work to make 2000 new articles in pt? Tomorrow I restart the project, and maybe in 6 years it will come to have the 2000 articles again. For today I have to cancel activities for the next semester that could increase project visibility, after all it does not exist . I know that Wikipedia is The priority, but for the love of god! On 12 November 2012 15:33, MF-Warburg wrote: > 2012/11/12 Federico Leva (Nemo) > > > Roland Unger, 12/11/2012 07:46: > > > > Hi folks, > >> > >> the Wikivoyage e.V. got the xml files of more language versions, I > >> think also for es, fi, hu, ja, pl, pt, ro and zh from user Wrh2. > >> > > > > Where are they? Again, please publish them. > > > >> > I can only underline this. It would be quite necessary to know how many > pages existed there and how active the project actually was (There is no > reason for the language committee to make an exception for all these > languages IN BULK if some have actually no current interest from users). > The XML dumps can of course be imported to Incubator in the case that an > own subdomain is not immediately created. > Note that some pages for a wikivoyage in Spanish have already been started > on Incubator, as well as this request/discussion: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikivoyage_Spanish > > Besides, can these old wikis from which the xml files were taken still be > accessed? At least it is not http://pt.wikivoyage-old.org/ . > > > > >> But there were no users who helped us to check to contents. > >> > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Wikivoyage/New_language_**versions< > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikivoyage/New_language_versions>is now > on Meta, by the way. > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/New_wikis_importers< > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/New_wikis_importers>/might/ want to help > doing the XML import, depending on how much > > pre-emptive cleanup is actually needed; you can try asking them. > > > > Indeed ;-) > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 97 97 18 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update
Soo... We need to restart de pt.wikivoyage.org? One of the biggest projects?? This is true?? 2000 articles, importing by hand??? On 11 November 2012 05:58, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Roland Unger, 17/10/2012 11:11: > > It's correct that the dumps of all languages from August 2012 are >> available >> at Wikivoyage saved as XML files. >> >> But these files could not be used to publish them immediately because they >> contain a lot of spam which must be removed by the community before. >> But the communities are missing. >> > > How is spam preventing publishing of dumps? Nobody bothers if the dumps > contain spam (only users' private data would be a problem), please publish > them all so that they can be archived on archive.org. > > > >> In some cases it makes sense to think about establishing a language >> branch from scratch. >> >> See also the interest list at >> >> http://www.wikivoyage.org/**general/Interest_in_starting_** >> a_new_language_version<http://www.wikivoyage.org/general/Interest_in_starting_a_new_language_version> >> >> at least five authors and admins should show their interest in helping to >> migrate the wikis. >> > > I've not understood what the LangCom actually meant to decide, anyway if > some language versions happened to be non eligible for direct creation > their content should be moved to the incubator. (How much spam is tolerable > for them would have to be discussed on incubator itself.) > > Nemo > > > __**_ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l> > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 97 97 18 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Question for Board
To end poverty, you can not just employ all who are poor, think that its 18% are managers, how many of the readers are in a precarious situation? This is one of the reasons I think this is bad focus, increasingly away from a social vision and increasingly commercial with its unique product, the Wikipedia... "Imagine a world in which *every single human being* can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment." Bullshit, every human with money to buy a pc and have access to internet, and capable to donate. That's WMF commitment. On 25 October 2012 03:46, James Salsman wrote: > Again, I'm not going to go into detail about how I arrived at the 18% > figure for enwiki admins under the poverty line until the accusation > that I violated the Privacy Policy is withdrawn or my questions about > it are addressed. I am confident that it's accurate within a few > percent. Instead of criticizing my spelling, I think it would be > better if Foundation officials determined the figure for themselves. > > It is sad that those who are very well off are so quick to exclude the > possibility of helping impoverished long term contributors. > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 97 97 18 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] The new narrowed focus by WMF
Narrowing the focus... target locked on Wikipedia... hunf sad... very sad. Thanks board... On 18 October 2012 19:07, MZMcBride wrote: > MZMcBride wrote: > > Theo10011 wrote: > >> Sue Gardner started working on this document on Meta a couple of weeks > ago > >> - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sue_Gardner/Narrowing_focus > > > > Well, there's your problem. You're reading the talk page! You want the > > subject-space page, of course: > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Sue_Gardner/Narrowing_focus>. > > Sorry, one more thing that I think deserves a follow-up e-mail: huge props > to Sue for drafting this on-wiki. I know that there were a number of > alternate private venues available (such as the office wiki) and it isn't > always easy to draft a document, particularly a document like this, in > public. In keeping with our values, I hope we continue to encourage > everyone > to use the public venues whenever possible. Thank you, Sue! > > MZMcBride > > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 97 97 18 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update
Now, we have five :D On 17 October 2012 10:29, Roland Unger wrote: > > And Portuguese WikiTravel? > > Which has nearly 3000 articles, ie more than WikiTravel in Spanish, > which > > also is not listed, and has more than ru and sv, which were imported. > > And updates > > are occurring. > > There is up to now no community (5 persons) who helps migrating > the content. > > See: > > http://www.wikivoyage.org/general/Interest_in_starting_a_new_language_version > > Roland > > > > > > On 17 October 2012 08:27, Strainu wrote: > > > > > 2012/10/17 Roland Unger : > > > >> > 2012/10/17 Juergen Fenn : > > > >> >> 2012/10/17 Deryck Chan : > > > >> >> > > > >> >>> I think Strainu is referring to languages that exist on > Wikitravel > > > >> but not > > > >> >>> Wikivoyage. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Probably a practical question: As Wikitravel closed the API in > > > August, > > > >> >> there is probably no more data that Wikivoyage could rescue > > from the > > > >> >> project than now is available in Wikivoyage. If a language > community > > > >> >> needs a fresh start in Wikivoyage it would have to begin from > > the > > > very > > > >> >> beginning. In this case it would be best to go through Incubator. > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> That's not precisely true. With enough determination, the content > > can > > > >> be extracted from Wikitravel, even now. Hell, even copy-paste would > > > >> work to some extent. > > > >> > > > >> But I remember that the archive team said they had a dump from > August > > > >> 2011 for all the Wikitravel languages and private persons might > have > > > >> more recent dumps. Can't those be used? > > > > > > > >> 2012/10/17 Tomasz Ganicz : > > > >> > So, the predictable effect will be that mid-size wikitravel > language > > > >> > versions which did not moved to wikivoyage before August will > rather > > > >> > stay on Wikitravel. There will be hard to find volunteers in these > > > >> > langauges ready to go through painful and time consuming > > process of > > > >> > incubator as there is already working wiki that anyone can join > > > >> > without any obstacles... > > > >> > > > >> I don't think this is necessarily true, even if it is an important > > > >> risk and one of the reasons I've asked the questions originally. > > For > > > >> instance, the Romanian Wikitravel was virtually dead, but some > people > > > >> from ro.wp expressed interest in contributing to the new site if > > it > > > >> has a Romanian version. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's correct that the dumps of all languages from August 2012 are > > > available > > > > at Wikivoyage saved as XML files. > > > > > > > > But these files could not be used to publish them immediately because > > > they > > > > contain a lot of spam which must be removed by the community before. > > > > But the communities are missing. > > > > > > > > In some cases it makes sense to think about establishing a language > > > > branch from scratch. > > > > > > > > See also the interest list at > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.wikivoyage.org/general/Interest_in_starting_a_new_language_version > > > > > > > > at least five authors and admins should show their interest in > > helping to > > > > migrate the wikis. > > > > > > I personally don't see much value in starting a new project on > > > Wikivoyage now (except perhaps to avoid the Incubator, which is a more > > > bureaucratic process). One of the reasons people did not contribute > > to > > > Wikitravel was that it was "different" (e.g. different accounts, > > > extensions etc.) > > > > > > Strainu > > > > > > ___ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton > > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com > > +55 11 97 97 18 884 > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 97 97 18 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update
And Portuguese WikiTravel? Which has nearly 3000 articles, ie more than WikiTravel in Spanish, which also is not listed, and has more than ru and sv, which were imported. And updates are occurring. On 17 October 2012 08:27, Strainu wrote: > 2012/10/17 Roland Unger : > >> > 2012/10/17 Juergen Fenn : > >> >> 2012/10/17 Deryck Chan : > >> >> > >> >>> I think Strainu is referring to languages that exist on Wikitravel > >> but not > >> >>> Wikivoyage. > >> >> > >> >> Probably a practical question: As Wikitravel closed the API in > August, > >> >> there is probably no more data that Wikivoyage could rescue from the > >> >> project than now is available in Wikivoyage. If a language community > >> >> needs a fresh start in Wikivoyage it would have to begin from the > very > >> >> beginning. In this case it would be best to go through Incubator. > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> That's not precisely true. With enough determination, the content can > >> be extracted from Wikitravel, even now. Hell, even copy-paste would > >> work to some extent. > >> > >> But I remember that the archive team said they had a dump from August > >> 2011 for all the Wikitravel languages and private persons might have > >> more recent dumps. Can't those be used? > > > >> 2012/10/17 Tomasz Ganicz : > >> > So, the predictable effect will be that mid-size wikitravel language > >> > versions which did not moved to wikivoyage before August will rather > >> > stay on Wikitravel. There will be hard to find volunteers in these > >> > langauges ready to go through painful and time consuming process of > >> > incubator as there is already working wiki that anyone can join > >> > without any obstacles... > >> > >> I don't think this is necessarily true, even if it is an important > >> risk and one of the reasons I've asked the questions originally. For > >> instance, the Romanian Wikitravel was virtually dead, but some people > >> from ro.wp expressed interest in contributing to the new site if it > >> has a Romanian version. > > > > > > It's correct that the dumps of all languages from August 2012 are > available > > at Wikivoyage saved as XML files. > > > > But these files could not be used to publish them immediately because > they > > contain a lot of spam which must be removed by the community before. > > But the communities are missing. > > > > In some cases it makes sense to think about establishing a language > > branch from scratch. > > > > See also the interest list at > > > > > http://www.wikivoyage.org/general/Interest_in_starting_a_new_language_version > > > > at least five authors and admins should show their interest in helping to > > migrate the wikis. > > I personally don't see much value in starting a new project on > Wikivoyage now (except perhaps to avoid the Incubator, which is a more > bureaucratic process). One of the reasons people did not contribute to > Wikitravel was that it was "different" (e.g. different accounts, > extensions etc.) > > Strainu > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 97 97 18 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] E ai não vão ficar com medinho?????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWjHD2TLc44 Alias, não fica vendo muito e nem pode rir, se não é cadeia. 2012/9/16 Carine Roos > Cadê o vídeo? Alguém tem o link? > Em 16/09/2012 13:09, "Patricio Lorente" > escreveu: > > > Hard to see how this could apply to the Wikimedia world... > > > > 2012/9/16 Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton : > > > > > > http://g1.globo.com/pb/paraiba/eleicoes/2012/noticia/2012/09/juiz-eleitoral-da-pb-decreta-prisao-de-diretor-do-google-brasil.html > > > > > > > > > Já estou vendo 3 diretores de uma associação presos, acusados de serem > > > responsáveis de "desobediência" (SIC). > > > > > > Ai Castelo, olha que tu arranjou pra nossa cabeça :D. > > > > > > Alias, bateu uma vontade de enviar essa notícia para todo mundo de fora > > do > > > Brasil que insistia que a gente tinha que ser uma instituição legal... > To > > > vendo a nossa diretoria ter mais passagens pela polícia que o > Fernandinho > > > Beiramar > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton > > > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com > > > +55 11 97 97 18 884 > > > ___ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > > > > -- > > Patricio Lorente > > Blog: http://www.patriciolorente.com.ar > > Identi.ca // Twitter: @patriciolorente > > > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 97 97 18 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] E ai não vão ficar com medinho?????
http://g1.globo.com/pb/paraiba/eleicoes/2012/noticia/2012/09/juiz-eleitoral-da-pb-decreta-prisao-de-diretor-do-google-brasil.html Já estou vendo 3 diretores de uma associação presos, acusados de serem responsáveis de "desobediência" (SIC). Ai Castelo, olha que tu arranjou pra nossa cabeça :D. Alias, bateu uma vontade de enviar essa notícia para todo mundo de fora do Brasil que insistia que a gente tinha que ser uma instituição legal... To vendo a nossa diretoria ter mais passagens pela polícia que o Fernandinho Beiramar.... -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 97 97 18 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement
\o/ Nice! and I'm wondering how they will sue for importing content that is on free license... On 6 September 2012 10:21, Alice Wiegand wrote: > Hi all, > > on behalf of the Board of Trustees I'm glad to announce the following > statement about the travel guide RfC > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Travel_Guide : > > > Through the RfC, it is clear our community has reached consensus in > favor of the creation of a travel guide. The Board supports the > community decision to create a dedicated project for the collection of > free multilingual travel resources. We believe there is an enormous > amount of space for multiple wiki-based projects with travel content > and welcome the contributions of community members from around the > world. > We look forward to having a project that can provide additional > content for other travel sites to reuse and benefit from, which we > believe this site will do. > > As a project supported by the Wikimedia Foundation, it will be subject > to the movement vision, mission, and values, as well as the Foundation > Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. However, like all other Wikimedia > projects, the community of contributors is responsible for the > management and creation of the content, policies, rules, and > governance of the new project. The community will be responsible for > organizing the travel guide project, and once they have put all of the > necessary pieces together and provided them to the Foundation staff, > the Wikimedia Foundation will make the necessary technical adjustments > to support the site. We look forward to a new project and appreciate > the community taking the initiative to make this possible. > > As we have reported in a blogpost [1], Internet Brands has filed a > lawsuit against community members, and, in response, Wikimedia > Foundation has filed a complaint against Internet Brands [2]. This > lawsuit by Internet Brands is not going to intimidate the Foundation > or stop the process. > > [1] > http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/09/05/wikimedia-foundation-seeks-declaratory-relief-in-response-to-legal-threats-from-internet-brands/ > [2] > https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:WMF_complaint_for_declaratory_judgement_September_2012.pdf > > Regards, Alice. > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 97 97 18 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Should we lock StrategyWiki?
(e) I don't see any reason for changes... On 13 August 2012 22:18, James Alexander wrote: > I'll weigh in on wiki later today or tomorrow (I've been very sick and > haven't been on much) but I did want to put in a couple of my thoughts: > > >- Part of me doesn't have an enormous issue with merging content into >meta if people really want it though I don't think it helps much >- I think creating StrategyWiki as it's own entity when it was done >was necessary and important. I don't think the strategy process would > have >been as successful without doing it. >- I don't think that creating strategyWiki was part of a 'fad' by the >foundation or others to create new wikis. We have certainly >created separate wikis which I do not think needed to be made (and hurt >their purpose) but Strategy was not one of them and, if anything, was > the >'start' of the fad and, like most fad starters, was the one with the >most legitimate reasons. Everyone follows the trendsetter because they > want >their results, but forget that they're different. >- There are many reasons the separate wiki was/is good but to keep it >short I'll give the biggest one: The StrategyWiki required a fresh >community with as much activity and new blood as possible from around > the >projects and the movement as a whole. Meta was not, and is not, a fresh >community. It does many things well but it is still it's own community > with >it's own rules and structure. Sadly you just can't invite a fresh, new >community into an old community (it's the same reason the travelWiki >proposers were saying that it would be best to start off with a fresh, > new, >name etc). I don't think it would have done as well if it didn't have > the >flexibility that a new community allowed (turning on liquid threads for >example etc). > > > Overall I think the strategy project actually showed that splitting off to > a new wiki can be helpful at times and I think that it should be done for > the new strategy plan (likely to start next year, at the latest, I'd > imagine) should do the same and either use Strategy or a new wiki. Using > Strategy would probably be best and keeping the historic pages could be > helpful. > > James > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Mono wrote: > > > Please weigh in at > > > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Strategy_Wiki > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Katie Chan wrote: > > > > > On 12/08/2012 16:45, MZMcBride wrote: > > > > > >> Ziko van Dijk wrote: > > >> > > >>> It seems to me that there was a period in the WMF history when it was > > >>> "popular" to install new wikis, for strategy or outreach, instead of > > >>> using Meta. I don't see the advantages of having seperate wikis, or > > >>> disadvantages of Meta. Meta has always been the platform for the > whole > > >>> movement, not only the wiki content websites. By the way, the WCA > > >>> decided not to have a wiki of its own but to use Meta. > > >>> > > >> > > >> I'm not sure what a WCA is. > > >> > > >> > > > <http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_**Association< > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association> > > > >? > > > > > > KTC > > > > > > -- > > > Experience is a good school but the fees are high. > > > - Heinrich Heine > > > > > > > > > __**_ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l< > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l> > > > > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > > -- > James Alexander > Manager, Merchandise > Wikimedia Foundation > (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 7971-8884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia redefined -- typography and UX and such
Things I would change, I think that all pages have to have the main objective of the Movement, and a comprehension of the project is part of something bigger. And this proposed segmentation is archaic, there are several items that fit into more than one segment, and knowledge should not be typified. I think if you change the platform at this level, there are things that could be better integrated, as have a news clipping of WikiNews in Wikipedia articles, double click on selected words, or a certain word when selected would open a toolbox for Wiktionary... In all, there are many cool ideas that can be used. -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 7971-8884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?
Do you read my email? * me:we can make a logo under a free license, with the trademark rights guaranteed.* * you:that the logos are not released under a free license because they are trademarks.* idealists? sorry? If you will start to attack me, at least learn to read. And reading your text, sorry, but your knowledge of license, is shallow. And I'm unhappy with the fact that we have values and do not put it in all our instances. Not with anything you said. I know various projects that images of their logos are under a free license, this is not idealism, is to be what we ask others to be. I do not know to be aggressive in an argument that you are not obliged to participate and you was not even mentioned... *This I do not understand at all.* *PS:I just inquired three times the answers, if I can not do more, I think Stalin was right. I'm going to Siberia.* -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 7971-8884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?
As well as free photos of people, there is only the release of copyright, and no release of personality rights; we can make a logo under a free license, with the trademark rights guaranteed. Again why is not free? -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 7971-8884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?
So in your view, free images can be harmful? So why would I release a picture? And you're telling me is more important to believe in the logo, instead of checking the validity of what you are consuming? But we do not talk to our volunteers always check the sources and not to believe blindly in a single source? -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 7971-8884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?
hummm... No! I've read all this, I can give workshops about it, my question is more about values, why not believe in what we preach and release our logos? -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 7971-8884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?
Since 2008 I wonder, why the logo of Wikimedia projects are under copyright? I see it as something contradictory. -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 7971-8884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
