Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

`What we actually need is clarity from the en:wp arbcom. They could easily say "yes Legal has advised X but we are stricter", and note that they have already banned users for outing blatant bad faith spammers. GorillaWarfare's commentary on this, both personal and speaking for the arbcom, are proba

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

Perhaps the WMF should drive the paid editing companied out of business by competition? They could try setting up a subsidiary trading company to carry out paid editing in a professional and legally compliant manner. I am sure this could be popular with the community as a way of getting a return

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

Okay I have been bold and started a list of the known banned socks of companies involved in undisclosed paid editing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Doc_James/Paid_Editing_Companies I have also started the discussion of the policy implications of such a list here and will not work further on t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

If we had such a list of known bad actors created by the WMF we could than more easily apply the G5 speedy deletion criteria. It is easier to associate an undisclosed paid editor with the company they are from than with their previous sock accounts. James On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Jytdog

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

Hi Jacob, Thank you for following up. I wonder what more Legal could to deter bad-faith editors from venturing onto Wikipedia in the first place and engaging in inappropriate activity. Keep in mind how much high-skill volunteer time is diverted into investigating and cleaning up after bad-faith e

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

Thanks for this Jacob. Would you please address Legal's approach to the following scenario: a company advertises Wikipedia editing services for clients, and there is no disclosure of paid editing by an editor employed by or affiliated with the company on Wikipedia. (In other words, a company is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

Jacob and the rest of the legal team. Many thanks for your clarifications on the "private information" versus "off Wikipedia information" issue. Also it is excellent to see your willingness to adjudicate on especially controversial cases. Best James On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Jacob Rogers

[Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

Hi all, As I mentioned in my email earlier this month, we've put together a longer statement regarding paid editing and how we see the balance of the communities' role and the role that WMF legal can play in these cases. We tried to address the concerns that people have raised to us, and explain w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

Charles, Very few paid editors who currently advertise use the trademarks; they do say that they will write or help write articles in Wikipedia , and that is a true statement. They will sometimes say they are authorized to do so, or that their work is legitimate, which is false, but that does not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

Hi Jacob, Can we get an ETA on the longer statement? Pine On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Jacob Rogers wrote: > Hi all, > > I want to share a few thoughts on the paid editing issue. First of all, we > do have the ability to enforce our terms of use. If there are cases where > you're encounter

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

We regularly take action against websites offering Wikipedia paid editing services when they use the Wikipedia puzzle globe or other Wikimedia trademarks [1] in a way that could suggest to visitors that their services are offered or sanctio

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

Undisclosed paid promotional editing is one of the biggest risks we face not only to the quality of our content but to our reputation. We need to do a more to address it. No company editing Wikipedia for pay should be allowed to use the Wikipedia logo or name IMO. I am not sure how much the law al

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

Just want to note that in my OP I had linked to an ANI thread (now archived here ) about the discovery of a long term paid editor; the same editors who found that, have found another -- this time the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

On 7 January 2017 at 20:31, Jytdog at Wikipedia wrote: > With those companies freely (and often mockingly) advertising their > services, the spigot is opened wide - they constantly get more customers > and send people here to edit.I would like to know if legal is > authorized to take action t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

Thanks for your note, Jacob. It is great to know that WMF is happy to help with specific on-Wiki issues, working from the ground up, as it were. Yes members of the community are constantly playing whack-a-mole to deal with specific incidents. The reason I asked the original question, is that fro

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

Just thought, all the solutions have been directed at the people making money for providing the service has anyone tried contacting the companies paying for the service, if so what was the outcome? On 7 January 2017 at 13:41, Jacob Rogers wrote: > Hi all, > > I want to share a few thoughts on th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

Hi all, I want to share a few thoughts on the paid editing issue. First of all, we do have the ability to enforce our terms of use. If there are cases where you're encountering a severe problem with paid editing and community efforts are not able to solve it, please get in touch with us via le...@

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licy/2014/01/wikimedia- > > > foundation-employee-ousted-over-paid-editing/ > > > > * > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/ > > > 2012-10-01/Paid_editing > > > > * > > > > http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/

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t; > > Doing nothing, especially when WMF representatives make strong > statements > > > and there are legal remedies available (WMF legal sent a > cease-and-desist > > > order to Wiki-PR with regard to use of the Wikipedia name even before > the > > > To

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 8:33 PM Risker wrote: > I do not know enough about how other Wikipedias handle such spam, although > I have heard from some people editing on some projects that similar > articles there would be speedy-deleted without a second thought. I do not > think that it is likely tha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

ase-and-desist > > order to Wiki-PR with regard to use of the Wikipedia name even before the > > ToU were strengthened) opens the WMF to criticism and makes those strong > > statements appear to be just empty rhetoric. Action is possible. Where > is > > it? > > &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

e WMF to criticism and makes those strong > statements appear to be just empty rhetoric. Action is possible. Where is > it? > > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Christophe Henner" > To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" > Sent: 1/2/2017 3:51:49 AM

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

-- From: "Christophe Henner" To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" Sent: 1/2/2017 3:51:49 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services Heu To be fair it's a topic that isn't currently in our plate. So to be honest, from

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> > > > +M=m9E5Bo3aysPAOw@mail.gmail. > > > > > > > com> > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forwarding to Legal. I'm awa

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

Thanks Katherine. I look forward to hearing from someone. On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Katherine Maher wrote: > Hi Jytdog, all - > > A gentle and kind reminder that the WMF offices are closed for the holidays > right now. Please look for an answer when we return. > > Our normal working days

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

Hi Jytdog, all - A gentle and kind reminder that the WMF offices are closed for the holidays right now. Please look for an answer when we return. Our normal working days resume tomorrow. Happy New Year! Yours, Katherine On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 05:02 Lilburne wrote: > On 02/01/2017 00:52, Pin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

On 02/01/2017 00:52, Pine W wrote: (: I think that Legal could at least describe in general terms what they are currently doing and have plans to do in the near future. If it turns out that the answers are "we aren't doing much and we aren't planning to do more", then yes, asking the higher-ups

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

that there should be some enforcement of this, > > > > > > particularly given that WMF wants to use Wikipedia's NPOV and RS > > > > policies > > > > > > as part of WMF's marketing. I also wonder if WMF might be able to > > > > recover

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

; > > jytdogte...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Pine, thanks for your reply, but Legal will not do anything like > this > > > > > unless they are instructed by management. That is why I directed > my > > > > &g

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rd and management. > > > > > > > > I've asked at Jimbo's talk page (bad timing, archived over the > > holidays, > > > > will repost) and at Katherine's WP talk page. > > > > > > > > Am very interested to hear from the board

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

rine's WP talk page. > > > > > > Am very interested to hear from the board and/or WMF management on > this. > > > > > > Jytdog > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 10:50:07 -0800 > > > > From: Pine W > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

ys, > > will repost) and at Katherine's WP talk page. > > > > Am very interested to hear from the board and/or WMF management on this. > > > > Jytdog > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 10:50:07 -0800 > > > From: Pine W >

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k page. > > Am very interested to hear from the board and/or WMF management on this. > > Jytdog > > > > Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 10:50:07 -0800 > > From: Pine W > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List , > > Wikimedia Legal > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

ties would be a bigger deterrent than > name-and-shame and cease-and-desist letters. > > Pine > > -- > > > Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 03:50:03 -0500 > From: Jytdog at Wikipedia > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.o

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

Forwarding to Legal. I'm aware of the general problem of undisclosed COI editing, and agree that there should be some enforcement of this, particularly given that WMF wants to use Wikipedia's NPOV and RS policies as part of WMF's marketing. I also wonder if WMF might be able to recover the costs of

[Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

I am interested to learn if WMF management or the board has discussed taking legal action against companies that offer services to edit Wikipedia and that have no on-Wiki presence disclosing their edits (in en-WP at least) per the Terms of Use. We all know the companies and their websites, where t