Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: IRC Office Hours

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention implies social features

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outage: what I'm telling the press

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[Wikimedia-l] an exemplary service

on the internet. Kudos to the legal team for doing such a good job on these, particularly the new Terms of Use :). -- Oliver Keyes Community Liaison, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rationale for fundraising record?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] compromise?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] IdeaLab (it was: Office hour inside out (program evaluation)) Re:

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] questions on the use of banner space to promote a cause

On 30 March 2013 20:57, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: As a more specific practical reformulation of this question, how bad would poverty in developed countries have to become before it would be appropriate for the Foundation to advocate on the issue? Is it already appropriate?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more

On 10 April 2013 22:07, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Oliver Keyes, 10/04/2013 22:43: Are you speaking of yourself here? :) As opposed to, speaking as a staffer? Well, I work for Product Development. So the chances of me giving binding policy statements on privacy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Biggest Fake Conference in Computer Science

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more

**board#Charles:_We_need_** Internal-l.2C_what_do_you_**think.3Fhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2013/Documentation/Day_2/WMF_board#Charles:_We_need_Internal-l.2C_what_do_you_think.3F Oliver Keyes, 11/04/2013 17:33: [...] Neither I do. I only asked if they *require

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiReaders4Kids

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] movement blog, not WMF blog, was: Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Hiring Community Liaisons (Contract)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Hiring Community Liaisons (Contract)

Whoops; sorry, all! Evidently it was a mistake to go near my laptop before my morning coffee :). Please ignore me; I'll be dunking my head in a barrel of water to wake up. On 18 May 2013 15:48, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: Howie The person doing the email screener was meant

Re: [Wikimedia-l] making tech journalism easier to read

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] movement blog, not WMF blog, was: Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

On 14 July 2013 00:44, Lucas Teles salvadore...@hotmail.com wrote: Is that [1] the photo? I was expecting something worse per the opening of this discussion. It seems to be fine for me (in a manly way of saying a photo of another man is fine), expect for the removal of Brandon's fingers.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Use of YouTube videos in fundraising banners

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Use of YouTube videos in fundraising banners

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: change in article edits after visual editor roll-out (was Re: Feedback for the Wikimedia Foundation)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimania-l] git.wikimedia.org dead due to wikimania ; )

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Has the underlying level of edits risen or fallen since the Edit Filters came in in 2009?

I can't speak for edit volume, but in my spare time I did some research around blocks and found that the proportionate decline in bad-faith related blocks since 2009 is (quite possibly) edit-filter linked.[1] So, whether there's a causal link between the edit decrease and the edit filters or not,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Radiological images

On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 9:48 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who treat WP:IAR as if it is not policy, how do you look yourselves in the mirror? Pretty easily. Absent substantial changes in mass, the speed of light is a constant. If we could try to discuss things

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdoored

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF employee writing articles for $300

Or to translate who cares what harm I do by peddling these assertions without verifying them! I just want people to come along and admit I was Right, because being Right on the internet is the most important of all the things. Your comment here makes clear that your only interest in the situation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF employee writing articles for $300

As an apparent Wikimedia insider; I think that if the allegations are substantiated they need to be addressed. I don't mean to run interference on that. I mean to try and undercut any attempt to turn a subject worth discussing substantively into an excuse to crow. My objection is not that you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

worthy of a thumbs up, and Thanks is designed for the latter. When we have some spare cycles, if we want to reduce the barrier to more long-form thank-yous, that's probably a good thing to do as well. Just, please, nobody send me any love sonnets. -- Oliver Keyes Product Analyst Wikimedia Foundation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

On 13 January 2014 20:32, Philippe Beaudette pbeaude...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On Jan 13, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: we're getting almost 3,000 thanks actions a day, every day It would be interesting to know if that impacted the number of barnstars

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

Foundation, Inc. T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | phili...@wikimedia.org | : @Philippewikihttps://twitter.com/Philippewiki On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 13 January 2014 20:32, Philippe Beaudette pbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Jan 13, 2014

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

There is inherent humour in being unable to test the comparative efficacy of a technological whizbang due to the lack of sufficiently standardised technological whizbangs ;p. On 14 January 2014 11:32, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 01/14/2014 02:18 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

So you'd rather measure effectiveness through...the feeling in your water? On 14 January 2014 12:29, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Oliver Keyes, 14/01/2014 20:36: There is inherent humour in being unable to test the comparative efficacy of a technological whizbang due

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

Aha. I totally agree with that, then, but I don't think it's the motivation for this feature. On 14 January 2014 13:28, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 January 2014 21:20, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 14 January 2014 12:29, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikimedia-l] effect of edit filter on editing levels, (was thanking anons)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] European Commission Copyright Consultation

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community consultation + Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director selection process

On 31 January 2014 12:55, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Craig Franklin wrote: ... it would be grossly unprofessional for Erik, Jan-Bart, or anyone else to publicly discuss the relative merits of people who may or may not be involved in a confidential hiring process No, the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board decisions on movement funding and approval issues

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:30 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.comwrote: pheobe, concerning your motion to vote saying: wikimedia foundation grows, the affiliated organisations do not grow the affiliated organisations are recommended to seek other funding (which the foundation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board decisions on movement funding and approval issues

I think there needs to a basic rule of if you can get Max and I to disagree with you for the same reasons, you're probably in the wrong ;p On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:20 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: rupert THURNER wrote: i am disappointed personally by you. you as a person, you as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] draft revised volunteer community survey

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] draft revised volunteer community survey

absolutely cannot do. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Oliver Keyes Product

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2016

If only the first and only link in the thread you're following up on contained pointers to dedicated journey and accomodation pages! That would've made these questions so much easier to answer. Indeed, it would've made asking them quite clearly rhetorical and intended to passive-aggressively poke,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Engineering Community

Personal opinion: as I recall, a big chunk of that scorn came from WMF engineers. I appreciate it wasn't your intent, but the way you're phrasing things here makes it look very much like you're saying 'hey, I bumped your salary, throw some of your time my way' - which is not how it works. Ideas

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: Where is anyone whining about this? Nobody here is. The point being made is about why other grants are not being accepted. So, to summarise: Please, let's stop complaining on the basis that this excludes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Fwd: Tilman Bayer joins Product Strategy Department

Indeed, although as I understand it he's going to be independent of the actual Research Data team. On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Erik Moeller, 07/01/2015 20:36: It’s my pleasure to announce that Tilman Bayer is joining the Foundation’s

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing WikiProject X

Well, yes. Was your clue the bit where it said English-language wikipedia? Wikiproject-based things are incredibly difficult to generalize because they're so dependent on project-specific nuances and setups. Wikidata will change that, I hope, but it's not there yet. On Tuesday, 13 January 2015,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New financing model for editations

A +1 to both Richard and Pete; Making editathons harder to put on is NOT a valuable use of anyone's time. On Wednesday, 18 March 2015, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I worry that running an auction and a raffle for each - or even some - editathons would be a lot of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New financing model for editations

On the low or zero-cost element, the one bit I'd question is 'editathons work well when attendees can buy their own food or attend a social where they pay their own costs'. This is certainly convenient for the chapter/volunteers/delete as applicable, but I don't think we should have it as an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New financing model for editations

then you've, at best, completely missed the point I was trying to make. On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 March 2015 at 14:33, Oliver Keyes ironho...@gmail.com wrote: ... expectations. So, yes, editathons work well when attendees pay their own way - but they work /best

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New financing model for editations

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 1:16 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: when ticketed, this is usually to control numbers when space is limited. This model works pretty well and makes them popular events; indeed, they're one of our most visible public activities. I don't see where the benefit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

(Personal capacity) Pine: I think you're reading far more into Phoebe's comment than it actually contained. What she said was I trust our legal team to make decisions about what legal actions to participate in. In other words, to make evaluations about the probability of success, the necessity of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

the positions of its elected officials. A mice toward more openness about board discussions might ease some of my concerns. Thanks, Pine On Mar 13, 2015 12:32 PM, Oliver Keyes ironho...@gmail.com wrote: (Personal capacity) Pine: I think you're reading far more into Phoebe's comment than it actually

Re: [Wikimedia-l] UTC in politics, editors threaten, or how rev history made the news

This idea, I like it! And I think Yuri just volunteered to write the patches :P On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On 2 March 2015 at 13:49, Oliver Keyes ironho...@gmail.com wrote: But if we're going to implement something, why not just..have timezone

Re: [Wikimedia-l] UTC in politics, editors threaten, or how rev history made the news

Well, not all users have JavaScript. But, on the core of the proposal: What threats? What users? How many, how serious? Have they been reported to Legal and Community Advocacy? These are the questions we tend to ask about this sort of issue. Do we need to insert technical features to prevent it?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Works which can't be freely licensed

On Sunday, 22 February 2015, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: As some of you know, we are working on the project [1] with Matica srpska [2]. Basically, that opens numerous possibilities and here is one of them. My professor, a Board member of Matica srpska and one of two co-authors of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New financing model for editations

:02 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 March 2015 at 14:55, Oliver Keyes ironho...@gmail.com wrote: We have a vested interest, as a community, in having as diverse a group of people behind our content as possible, because we have a diverse group of readers. People who can't afford a lunch out

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Access to Private Information Policy: How Long Will This Be Left a Question Mark?

Have you considered that you might get a better response to your messages if you - and this is just an idea drawn of idle whimsy, here - not spend quite so much of them on an extended trip off the reservation in order to attack and critique someone under their real name in public while hiding any

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Regarding knowledge

Has there been work to determine the accuracy of our medical coverage that's found it lacking? All the studies I've seen have said it's pretty good, but that was a while ago, and I know anecdotally that we've got a lot of work to do around, for example, womens' health issues. On Sat, Apr 4, 2015

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF office location and remodel

(volunteer hat on) Glasgow to London in no way represents the scale of what any move, even an in-US move, would be, unless the goal is for the WMF to end up in LA or (maybe) Portland. I would agree that a multi-location setup would work better as a good expansion route here, although I'm not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are we too rigid?

I would like to clarify a fairly major premise of this conversation: namely, the comment I made that Yuri quoted in the very first message. When I say that the hierarchical organisation of the Foundation is something that is preventing us from doing better, I was not thinking of how we develop

[Wikimedia-l] One Last Ride

in building a fairer, more transparent and more representative governing structure. All the best, Oliver Keyes Of these last 5 years, Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New

Re: [Wikimedia-l] One Last Ride

eep many of us sane > with your wit through times strange and wonderful and awful alike. > > Take care of yourself and do good things! > > -- brion > On Feb 23, 2016 3:36 PM, "Oliver Keyes" <ironho...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] One Last Ride

e: > >> On 23 February 2016 at 15:35, Oliver Keyes <ironho...@gmail.com >> <javascript:;>> wrote: >> >> > I am leaving the Wikimedia Foundation to take up a job as a Senior >> > Data Scientist at an information security company. My last da

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should happen next? My 5 ideas

+1. It's difficult without breaking fifteen NDAs to underscore exactly how shellshocked and traumatised staff are right now, dealing with all of this for 8 hours a day for 3-18 months, depending on the nature of their concerns. As the people most impacted by negative or positive changes to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lawrence Lessig for ... WMF

I'm agreed with Dan and Nathan (well, Nathan's implied point) both. Right now we need stability. I'd much prefer an interim ED appointed from inside the organisation or movement, ideally someone who has been watching what's been going on. And then time for healing and reflection in that space of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a *volunteer* organization

On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 10:03 PM, David Emrany wrote: > Hi Brion > > When you refer to patches with other movements / affiliates, are you > proposing that WMF sponsors more Gibraltrapedias ? > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltarpedia > > Have we forgotten so soon the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Jimmy Wales <jimmywa...@wikia-inc.com> > wrote: > >> On 2/29/16 7:00 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: >> > A few days ago, Oliver Keyes said[1] here on this l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > On 2/29/16 2:25 AM, Molly White wrote: >> Thank you for your reply, and I apologize for how late this one is. When >> I asked how you intend to speak with the Board of Trustees and with staff, I >> did not mean what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chris Keating <chriskeatingw...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Oliver Keyes <ironho...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:58 PM, James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Regarding to Oli

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:58 PM, James Heilman wrote: > Regarding to Oliver's comment: "My concern is that when staff reached out > the Board replied with a letter indicating they had full and unanimous > confidence in our > leadership." > > This statement is not really true. We

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > > I can't speak for Lila, nor should I try. But I know that for people > new to our world, it's really quite confusing. You hear a lot of voices > and if you've been around for long enough, you get to know which ones >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Pine W wrote: > I admit to being surprised by the depth of the division between the ED and > staff that we are hearing about. Thanks to the Signpost and internal leaks > we in the community knew about the low marks in the staff survey, but I >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

n the employees. > > It helps internal morale and external confidence in reforms. > > > George William Herbert > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 26, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Oliver Keyes <ironho...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Pin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should happen next? My 5 ideas

+1 to Keegan. I am glad you have spoken to staffers, Pete. I promise I can identify at least 300 other people that fall into that category too. On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 8:04 PM, Pete Forsyth

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

Anthony has hit the nail on the head here with "could be used to punish or intimidate staff"; the reason I, at least, am uncomfortable talking about the internal details here (beyond the obvious PR elements for the Foundation) is that there's a lot of ongoing fear about repercussions. A couple of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 1:38 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Anna Stillwell > wrote: >> +1 to what Oliver and Vibber said. >> >> The situation is still delicate, Jimmy. >> >> Staff are being extremely kind to one

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Shared list

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:54 AM, Theo10011 <de10...@gmail.com> wrote: > I am totally with Benjamin on this. > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016, Oliver Keyes <ironho...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> "sorely under-represented perspective" or not, that kind of attitude

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Shared list

>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:13 AM, Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > I thought I was bringing a sorely under-represented perspective to the ED >> > discussion on this list and wasn't aware I'd said or done anything >> > inappropria

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 5:39 AM, GorillaWarfare wrote: > I would be curious to hear precisely what you hope to accomplish from your > trip to San Francisco. How do you plan to communicate what you learn to the > rest of the Board of Trustees, and to those who

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are we too rigid?

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > Oliver, thanks! > >> In other words, the litmus test for me is: what happens when the socially > and politically weakest person in the organisation has an idea? > > If we speak of a "product" idea, we have two

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Shared list

If I might provide at least my, minor, perspective: there is a big difference between "perspective" and "dissent" and some of your communiques. People, particularly at the Foundation, are hurting a lot right now. And the tone of your messages has been a lot of: justifying actual people being in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] US Copyright Law Forces Wikimedia to remove Public Domain Anne Frank Diary

If she'd lived, her book _wouldn't be so important to the entirety of humankind_. You have a feeling about what she'd do about it? You're putting words in a Holocaust victim's mouth. For shame. On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Tomasz Ganicz wrote: > Well.. I don't think if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

Just staff and former staff? Huh. You must be reading wikimedia-that-doesn't-include-liam-fae-former-board-members-or-almost-anyone-else-l. What's it like there? To Risker's point; "don't beat up on people who have less information than you" is a good principle. But so is "don't call people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why we changed

I'm with Vibber too. I work in Engineering. This summary does not represent my views, or the views of anyone I know. On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 12:04 AM, Anna Stillwell wrote: > I'm with Vibber. He has seen things clearly. > > > On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Gerard

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Arbital, another Wikipedia competitor/complement

I for one look forward to the open and inclusive educational experience provided by people who collectively lose their shit when presented with a highly improbable AI thought experiment[0] [0] http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roko's_basilisk On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 9:03 PM, David Gerard

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Arbital, another Wikipedia competitor/complement

Aye, the user-assessment model is kind of interesting, but agreed. When I think "who can explain complex things in relateable terms?", my answer has never been (and will never be) Bayesians. On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Craig Franklin wrote: > They have correctly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] User interaction on Wikipedia --call for submissions

While I agree with people that it's an uncommon and exclusionary phrase (and a confusing one!) it seems like Moushira fully acknowledges this and is going to work harder on this sort of problem in the future, for which I laud her. If we want to have a general conversation about language choice at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation executive transition update

Good luck, Katherine. Many of us are relying on you and have faith in you. > > Pine > > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Oliver Keyes <ironho...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> \o/\o/\o/\o/ >> >> So glad to see this wonderful choice! >> >> ...if we're gonna

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation executive transition update

\o/\o/\o/\o/ So glad to see this wonderful choice! ...if we're gonna have Katherine as the interim...do we really need to find someone permanent? ;) On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:05 PM, James Heilman wrote: > A very positive move. Thank you Katherine for agreeing to step up and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: A conversation?

I've been in the Wikimedia movement for over a decade now. I've seen Wikimedia-l. I've seen internal-l. I've had death and sexual assault threats show up in my inbox. And this, /this/, is genuinely the most horrified I've ever been by any message I've seen yet. This email is not a good faith

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: A conversation?

> > David > > [1] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/13/wikimedia_coo_convicted_felon/ > > On 3/10/16, Oliver Keyes <ironho...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I've been in the Wikimedia movement for over a decade now. I've seen >> Wikimedia-l. I've seen internal-l. I've had death and sexua

Re: [Wikimedia-l] DARPA FOSSS programs of interest

Off the top of my head: 1. Because we have absolutely no idea, from the briefs given, about the technological stack and how well it meshes with our existing expertise as a movement, or the WMF's existing expertise as a technical entity; 2. Because we have absolutely no idea, from the briefs

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiProject Accuracy

Featured Article, Good Article and point of view, in sequence. Hope that helps. On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > Sorry but your alphabet soup makes it hard if not impossible to understand. > I do not edit en.wp and that should not be a

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