On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 13:08, Ram Shankar Yadav
ramshankarya...@gmail.comwrote:
*This is exactly the kind of cluelessness i am referring to. The
[[WP:COMPETENCE]] exists exactly for this purpose - we dont want kids,
who will mess up by drawing mangoes and bananas here. We want atleast
semi
Hey all,
Let me introduce myself first. I too am a CA in fact a second gen one. I
initially decided not to reply to this mail stream at all as there is
nothing but a blame game going on.
But after all the personal attacks, I've decided to be on the front-line
along with my CA family. Ok,
+1 Debanjan!
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay
debast...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey all,
Let me introduce myself first. I too am a CA in fact a second gen one. I
initially decided not to reply to this mail stream at all as there is
nothing but a blame game going on.
But
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 23:11, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay
debast...@gmail.comwrote:
The Indian community however, still expects that students will come to
them for help and they shall help.
I never got an answer for the question Does your college profs come to
your home and help you in doing the
Hey Srikanth,
This is exactly what I meant about constructive approach. No my profs don't
come to me house. They fail me. I understand that this is a problem in the
mentality of Indian students. But you either have two options, decide to
help anyway or crib about how the mentality of students
Srikanth
With all respect, let me ask, what are we trying to do here. To change
the so called Indian Students mentality or trying to spur the growth
of Wikipedia in India?
This is getting too personal and creating a wedge between one of the
most well known knowledge communities in the
+1 Abhilash
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Abhilash abhilashu...@gmail.com wrote:
Srikanth
With all respect, let me ask, what are we trying to do here. To change the
so called Indian Students mentality or trying to spur the growth of
Wikipedia in India?
This is getting too personal
On 13-Nov-2011, at 4:07 PM, Bishakha Datta wrote:
I'm hoping we'll hear more about the successes of the project, and eventually
come to a balanced understanding of what worked and what didn't.
At this stage, we're hearing much more about what didn't work, so it's hard
to assess the
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 09:13, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote:
*On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com
wrote:*
*I would also request people not to fork any more new threads on this
with same thoughts, *
CAMPUS AMBASSADOR SETBACK - The Local
Hi Nitika
All the consideration aside for the Brilliant army. I clicked on a couple
of articles on your list, and then found an interesting pattern. Did you
check any of these yourself? In case you didn't, I updated the list for you.
Most of the articles that don't have a comment in the list
I respect Srikanth's thinking but agree to disagree. In times of crisis,
when things are pulling every which way, formal planning methodologies can
get you going. I actually sat on a hillside at 13,500 feet in Kargil in
1999 with paper and pencil to make sense of construction schedules when the
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 20:15, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Nitika ntan...@wikimedia.org wrote:
I would also like to share with you all some of the good articles that
students have written.
Nitika, please use right terms from next time, Good articles
For reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam
http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html
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With all due respect Bishakha, I beg to differ.
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.comwrote:
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:
As for the highs and lows, ups and downs, failures and successes,
allow us to decide on the
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:
As for starting Wiki editing you might want to start yourself. I
suggest your userpage on Meta, which if I recall I told you to create a
month ago.
Ooooh! Can we please cut out these sort of unconstructive, personal
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.comwrote:
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:
As for starting Wiki editing you might want to start yourself. I
suggest your userpage on Meta, which if I recall I told you to create a
month
+1 Srikanth!
Hey Folks!
I'm Ram and I'm one of the CA's worked closely with CoEP and SSE. I would
like to share my views on this most discussed topic, coz the term FAIL is
quite thought provoking, and now everyone has an opinion and I respect
that.
As a Campus Ambassador(CA) we faced the heat
*we never got the support which was required from an OA. Honestly
speaking there was no interaction between OAs and CAs and without
that coordination chances of success are quite low. *
*My only point here is to all the OAs in this discussion is that if
Hisham/Nitika has not set the expectations
Hey Guys,
I am Wasim, Campus Ambassador at the India Education Program.
I have been reading the mails from the wiki lovers about the so called
DEATH and POST MORTEM of the India Education Program. It feels terrible to
hear such words but on the other hand we are going to accept this and learn
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Bala Jeyaraman sodabot...@gmail.comwrote:
*we never got the support which was required from an OA. Honestly
speaking there was no interaction between OAs and CAs and without
that coordination chances of success are quite low. *
*My only point here is to all
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 23:27, Bala Jeyaraman sodabot...@gmail.com wrote:
*we never got the support which was required from an OA. Honestly
speaking there was no interaction between OAs and CAs and without
that coordination chances of success are quite low. *
*My only point here is to all
Regarding so called death and post-marten
I wont be right person to talk about CoEP or SSE, I am assigned to SNDT
Women's University,So I will stick to the work and responsibilities
assigned to me...
it is challenging to engage female editors as we have less women editors.
(IEP is still running
Hi Bala,
*Oh yeah. Do everything wrong and then blame the OA. Hisham, Nitika and
apparently you are clueless what an OAs role is. I had no clue the OA role
involved going through every edit and do the student's work. IEPs mails
did not specify that the expectation about OA role was doing the
-* If Hisham and Nitika were clueless why didn't to step-up and asked them
about the expectations. One more thing when you are starting something new
don't expect people will start reaching you from the Day1, we need to build
a relationship and get their faith that we are here to help you, and
sorry to disagree Ashwin,
This has to be dragged out. These guys are just not getting it. They just
dont have the knowledge nor they willingnes to listen to criticism. They
are just deflecting criticism by calling [[WP:CIVIL]] and crying personal
attack. I am not going to spend time posting in
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Bala Jeyaraman sodabot...@gmail.com wrote:
This sums up the problem of the IEP - designed by people clueless about how
en wiki works and run by campus ambassadors who view wikipedia as a giant
sandbox to play with students.
Speaking of playing in sandboxes,
*This is exactly the kind of cluelessness i am referring to. The
[[WP:COMPETENCE]] exists exactly for this purpose - we dont want kids,
who will mess up by drawing mangoes and bananas here. We want atleast
semi competent, interested people who can act responsibly.*
*
*
*- *First of all stop
I second you bisakha.. I don't know what went wrong, whether extreme
pressure caused the students to take those shortcuts just copy paste
or there was some kind of misscommunication. We OAs tried our best to
edit the copyvios as far as possible. But things were even worse the
CAs who had higher
Did you guys try subject/stream specific article adoption? I was just
thinking about how an average student who finishes bachelors and masters
writes at least 20 essays and research papers that don't get published.
They are just graded and forgotten. This means that all students are forced
to go
On 13 November 2011 08:46, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com
wrote:
Another strategy that we can adopt while doing this program in India is,
about the selection of articles for editing. We can ask students to
Sue,
*A number
of schools have participated in the pilot phase of the IEP. My
understanding is that the project has been mostly successful, except
for one school, or set of schools, at which there were serious
problems with plagiarism that, despite repeated efforts, the team
couldn't get
The PPI (or PPP, LOL) is indeed over. It concluded with the completion
of the Stanton grant requirements, and has now evolved into the GEP,
the Global Education Program. The IEP as I understand it is not over:
contrary to the subjectline of this thread, it hasn't died.
Thanks Sue, IEP
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 16:17, Arnav Sonara sonara.ar...@gmail.com wrote:
The PPI (or PPP, LOL) is indeed over. It concluded with the completion
of the Stanton grant requirements, and has now evolved into the GEP,
the Global Education Program. The IEP as I understand it is not over:
contrary
*That's one way of looking at it. Another way would be that an editor
(in this case who happened to be a student) contributed content to an
article. It would (almost routinely) reviewed by other editors who
coudl/would improve it or point out issues. One of the aspects that the
better students
I couldn't have said it better Bala.
Swaroop Rao
(MikeLynch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MikeLynch)
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 16:39, Bala Jeyaraman sodabot...@gmail.com wrote:
*That's one way of looking at it. Another way would be that an editor
(in this case who happened to be a
On 12 November 2011 18:10, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote:
If you are not aware of it yet, India Education Program Pilot died around a
week back[1] and a post mortem was done on Signpost[2]. I wonder if we
Indians like to only rejoice success's and keep silence when we fail.
Our mails coincided, Srikanth, but my comments inline.
hisham
On Nov 12, 2011, at 6:10 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote:
Hi all,
If you are not aware of it yet, India Education Program Pilot died around a
week back[1] and a post mortem was done on Signpost[2]. I wonder if we
Indians like
On 12 November 2011 18:55, Swaroop Rao raul.swar...@gmail.com wrote:
It used to be easier to spot copyvios on English Wikipedia earlier, but due
to some issues with Google, the bot which detected the copyvios (CorenBot)
is no longer running, though I have come to understand that Jimmy and
On Nov 12, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Gautam John wrote:
Srikantha, thanks for posting this. I did not know about it till you
posted it and I am sure there are many like me. It is worrying but at
the same time offers us a chance to make things better for the future.
Apologies, Gautam, Srikanth and
On Nov 12, 2011, at 7:02 PM, Gautam John wrote:
Fair enough. Just that at the scale the India program will run at, a
technology solution might very well be a easier first step than human
interventions.
If we can't manage the scale (as we couldn't in this pilot), then we will
reduce the
Many of us went through college recently know its not *Some*, its *Most*.
Anything called assignment and graded will be copy-pasted even by the
brightest 5% of students in class who would have potential to do on their
own.
+1. with Srikanth This is the SINGLE MOST important thing to remember for
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 18:56, Hisham hmun...@wikimedia.org wrote:
That's not accurate. The dates are as follows: It was concluded in all
but 1 class of Symbiosis School of Economics a few weeks ago (because the
assignements were concluded.) It continues in 1 class at this college and
at 1
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Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education
Program pilot -- #DelayedMail
Many of us went through college recently know its not *Some*, its
*Most*. Anything called assignment and graded will be copy-pasted even
by the brightest 5% of students
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 19:33, Bala Jeyaraman sodabot...@gmail.com wrote:
Many of us went through college recently know its not *Some*, its
*Most*. Anything called assignment and graded will be copy-pasted even by
the brightest 5% of students in class who would have potential to do on
their
Also, it seems that CoEP has most of the problems; I think that CoEP being
an engineering college, is more rigid in its working than other
science/commerce/liberal arts colleges. What we could do is branch out into
other streams (other than engineering I mean); Law for example: Why not
have law
From Bala's words...
//Online Ambassadors/mentors are not handholders and error correctors. I
signed up to be an online ambassador. But stopped reading the IEP mails
that were sent to me after i realised, that the IEP program essentially
wanted to me to do the students' work. //
Sure. We can
hi,
It was a pilot and hence I guess was meant to die at some point.
First up, to the Campus Ambassadors, you guys showed a lot of courage in
taking up and then following through on your commitment of being Campus
Ambassadors through the length of this Pilot. I hope the team will also
speak to
hi,
It was a pilot and hence I guess was meant to die at some point.
First up, to the Campus Ambassadors, you guys showed a lot of courage in
taking up and then following through on your commitment of being Campus
Ambassadors through the length of this Pilot. I hope the team will also
speak
Hey all,
I refuse to believe it dead as of yet. There's yet a lot of avenues that
haven't been explored. My personal suggestion was that let IEP establish a
Wikipedia Club in every college in Pune to begin with, that would inculcate
new, interested members who have a genuine passion for the
Another strategy that we can adopt while doing this program in India is,
about the selection of articles for editing. We can ask students to
contribute to articles that they are interested in, rather than of all of
them editing the articles on the same topic.
The reason I am telling this is, In
On Nov 12, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Bala Jeyaraman wrote:
Many of us went through college recently know its not *Some*, its *Most*.
Anything called assignment and graded will be copy-pasted even by the
brightest 5% of students in class who would have potential to do on their
own.
+1. with
On Nov 12, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote:
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 18:56, Hisham hmun...@wikimedia.org wrote:
That's not accurate. The dates are as follows: It was concluded in all but
1 class of Symbiosis School of Economics a few weeks ago (because the
assignements were
On Nov 12, 2011, at 7:37 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com
wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote:
Iv used turnitin during my MBA and can say that Iv seen people upload their
projects there, note where the software catches them, change the language in
that part and re-submit. People will go to
On Nov 12, 2011, at 8:04 PM, Swaroop Rao wrote:
Also, it seems that CoEP has most of the problems; I think that CoEP being an
engineering college, is more rigid in its working than other
science/commerce/liberal arts colleges. What we could do is branch out into
other streams (other than
Thanks Shiju.
I raised same points yesterday , in Malayalam wikimedia list , in a related
thread.
Thanks for bringing this discussion here
Anivar
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote:
Another strategy that we can adopt while doing this program in India
On Nov 12, 2011, at 8:59 PM, Surya Prakash wrote:
From Bala's words...
//Online Ambassadors/mentors are not handholders and error correctors. I
signed up to be an online ambassador. But stopped reading the IEP mails that
were sent to me after i realised, that the IEP program essentially
On Nov 12, 2011, at 10:39 PM, Pradeep Mohandas wrote:
hi,
It was a pilot and hence I guess was meant to die at some point.
First up, to the Campus Ambassadors, you guys showed a lot of courage in
taking up and then following through on your commitment of being Campus
Ambassadors
On Nov 12, 2011, at 11:18 PM, Arnav Sonara wrote:
Thanks to all of you, yes this was a Pilot, but at no point I see it dying.
Its just that we have taken a pause right now to learn from the findings and
ll come back all prepared and with the help of you all we ll try to gain new
On Nov 13, 2011, at 5:58 AM, Shiju Alex wrote:
Another strategy that we can adopt while doing this program in India is,
about the selection of articles for editing. We can ask students to
contribute to articles that they are interested in, rather than of all of
them editing the articles
On Nov 12, 2011, at 11:36 PM, Arjun mangol wrote:
Hey all,
I refuse to believe it dead as of yet. There's yet a lot of avenues that
haven't been explored. My personal suggestion was that let IEP establish a
Wikipedia Club in every college in Pune to begin with, that would inculcate
On Nov 13, 2011, at 12:07 AM, Swaroop Rao wrote:
That's true Arjun, there is a lot of interest in this program in many
colleges, and this is going untapped. No, its not dead for sure. It was a
pilot, and it didn't come out pretty; no issues, that's how we learn. I think
that one thing we
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Arnav Sonara sonara.ar...@gmail.comwrote:
hi,
It was a pilot and hence I guess was meant to die at some point.
First up, to the Campus Ambassadors, you guys showed a lot of courage in
taking up and then following through on your commitment of being
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