Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] People of stature unhappy with own articles

WhereDevilsDare, As Bala pointed out, pages have to be neutral. Example:Look at any Politician's page, it's always Pro-them, rarely is it balanced. We need to have things neutral. If these guys get to decide what goes on their page, it'll be a Conflict of Interest. Even a simple controversy against

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] People of stature unhappy with own articles

The issues were of information added without RS, biased information and language that was encyclopedic. The issue was sorted but I thought there may be a formal process - thanks to Soda Bottle for providing the link. Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:58:10 +0530 From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com To: wikim

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] People of stature unhappy with own articles

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote: > WhereDevilsDare, > As Bala pointed out, pages have to be neutral. > Example:Look at any Politician's page, it's always Pro-them, rarely is it > balanced. > We need to have things neutral. > If these guys ge

[Wikimediaindia-l] Sharing insights and experiences from Indian language wiki communities - Telugu

Dear All, As part of the India Programs of WMF I am having discussions with wikipedians across various Indic languages. I already shared the summary of the discussions I had with the Assamese

[Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

I'm writing to share an update on the way forward as far as making sure that we adequately capture all the learnings possible from the India Education Program. We also want to make sure that these learnings are robust and are incorporated into the core program design going forward. We also wou

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Nitika wrote: > We want to collate data points to be able to analyze and draw out trends. > Here is an example of data that we're trying to dig out (and this is just a > sub-set of a preliminary list) Sharing the entire list of data points would be a nice thing t

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

Assuming this question is not restricted for WMF outreachers only: On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:01 PM, sankarshan wrote: > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Nitika wrote: > > > How many students edited articles outside of their in-class assignments? > > This is an interesting and non-trivial questio

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

Somethings vital that are missing: 1) How many regular editors were required to clean up the articles. How many reverts/cleanup edits were required to clean up after the IEP students. 2) How many admin actions/interventions were required - warnings, blocks, mergers, deletions, AFDs 3) How many reg

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

Dear Nitika: I'm most glad this is being done and being shared. > Here is an example of data that we're trying to dig out (and this is just a > sub-set of a preliminary list) A lot of this should be possible via the API - maybe Jace can show us how we can do it programatically. > Do please shar

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Vickram Crishna wrote: > Assuming this question is not restricted for WMF outreachers only: > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:01 PM, sankarshan > wrote: >> >> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Nitika wrote: >> >> > How many students edited articles outside of their in

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

On 28-Nov-2011, at 5:01 PM, sankarshan wrote: > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Nitika wrote: > >> We want to collate data points to be able to analyze and draw out trends. >> Here is an example of data that we're trying to dig out (and this is just a >> sub-set of a preliminary list) > > Sha

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Nitika wrote: > Actually not. And that's the main reason why we had to pull down the > Leaderboard (tool that shows bytes of data that has been added by a student > on Wikipedia) as well. The Leaderboard accounted for all the edits that a > student would make eith

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 17:33, Nitika wrote: > Actually not. And that's the main reason why we had to pull down the > Leaderboard (tool that shows bytes of data that has been added by a student > on Wikipedia) as well. The Leaderboard accounted for all the edits that a > student would make either

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Nitika wrote: > As mentioned before, this is just an example of data point set that we'd > like to analyze. This is just a rough draft and not by any means the final > list of data points that will be under study. Indeed, it  will be great to > conduct a community

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

Dear Bala, I'm glad that you came up with few more questions but most of them are in negative tone. We would love to have few questions from you pointing on few of the good things as well. Please don't mind, it's not personal. Thanks, Ram On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Bala Jeyaraman wrote:

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

Ram, Whatever the tone of the email, the questions Bala has raised are very pertinent IMHO and should be made part of the research. We have a common goal of seeing the IEP fly high and benefit the movement. It is a pitiful sight to see bright talented campus ambassadors and seasoned well-res

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

Ram, The points i raised need to be asked and they are missing and i am raising them. This isnt about negative/positive tone. Any project that causes a three month long clean up effort involving hundreds of regular editors needs to document how much time and effort it is costing and what is its im

[Wikimediaindia-l] *offlist* RE: IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

*offlist* I know Bala could have used a better tone, however he has raised some very good points. Lets stay focused on this and not convert it into another flame war like the previous IEP thread. I know you guys have been working hard and that this hurts. However, on the other side of the

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

Friends, I'm not saying that points raised by Bala are not valid, but I would still like you guys to come up with questions/comments/suggestion to make it one of the best program. All of us are truly committed to do that and I would love to see few points like - "How we can better engage the commu

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

>> It is a pitiful sight to see bright talented campus ambassadors and seasoned well-respected editors go back and forth like this Pranav, :-). I am not taking this personally. Hard questions need to be asked and i will ask them whatever the CAs feel about the tone. These need to be asked. I find

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] *offlist* RE: IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

WhereDevilsDare, Yes, Bala has VERY valid points. While I was [sadly] inactive at the time of all this [and therefore lose my right to say anything], on going thru the edits, it has struck me that a lot of this is Warn-worthy. A dozen policies violated, another dozen good faith edits disrupted. I t

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

Hi, Apart from studying ourselves, It would also be interesting to do a case study of similar student participatory programs and take best practices and incorporate them. Google Summer of Code would be a classic example, though its a summer contract, but some of the aspects are worth comparing. 1

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

Great suggestion Srikanth! I totally agree with you on quality, staging and motivation aspects. Cheers, Ram On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote: > Hi, > > Apart from studying ourselves, It would also be interesting to do a case > study of similar student participatory pr

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Sharing insights and experiences from Indian language wiki communities - Telugu

Much appreciate the effort to treat - and talk to - each indic language community separately, rather than lumping them all into the same box. Congratulations on this nuanced approach. Cheers Bishakha On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Shiju Alex wrote: > Dear All, > > As part of the India Progra

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] People of stature unhappy with own articles

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Bala Jeyaraman wrote: > Yes there is. direct them to > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AUTOPROB#Problems_in_an_article_about_you > > But they shouldn't be expecting wikipedia to do a whitewashing / PR fluff > job on it. Totally agree with you, Bala. I'

[Wikimediaindia-l] Mullaperiyar Dam article on English Wikipedia - Collaboration sought

hi, The recent release of the film Dam 999 made me want to read up on the Mullaperiyar Dam in Kerala around which this film is shot and there are contrarian claims as to whether the film is about this dam or not. However, the article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullaperiyar_Dam - seems to h

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Mullaperiyar Dam article on English Wikipedia - Collaboration sought

Pradeep, A very thoughtful idea. I noticed that you nominated it for a COTM. However, I also feel that the Malayalam and tamil articles ALSO need some attention. -Re, Srikanth Rsrikanth05. On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Pradeep Mohandas < pradeep.mohan...@hotmail.com> wrote: > hi, > > The rece

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

I really didn't read the entire thread to have a lot of comments, I just have one point I noticed that I wanted to ask - Why is Tory Read conducting the "evaluative study"? As I recall, her only exposure to India and Wikipedia before this was the research project. And even that had nothing to do w

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

Appreciate your comments Bala, and I agree with the spirit of your questions. We do need to find out the effect that IEP had on the existing community. More importantly, though, I feel, is that we should concentrate on where we lacked. We had great Campus Ambassadors working out there, and we did h

[Wikimediaindia-l] Required - articles for Collaboration of the Month Dec 2011

Please consider nominatingarticles for Collaboration of the Month (COTM). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Collaborations_of_the_month/Nominations Upto 5 articles can be selec

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Required - articles for Collaboration of the Month Dec 2011

+1, After a long time. On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Ashwin Baindur wrote: > Please consider > nominatingarticles > for Collaboration of the Month (COTM). > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wik

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

On 28-Nov-2011, at 5:23 PM, Bala Jeyaraman wrote: > > > A supplimentary question: > Are kudpung, moonriddengirl, fluffernutter, Voceditenore, spacemanspiff et al > being interviewed? 4 out these 5 have been/will be interviewed. Nitika ___ Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

On 28-Nov-2011, at 6:22 PM, Ram Shankar Yadav wrote: > > All of us are truly committed to do that and I would love to see few points > like > - "How we can better engage the community?" > - "How many students are still editing Wikipeida, out of their course > requirement?" > - "How we can en

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

On 28-Nov-2011, at 7:12 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote: > Hi, > > Apart from studying ourselves, It would also be interesting to do a case > study of similar student participatory programs and take best practices and > incorporate them. Google Summer of Code would be a classic example, though

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

On 28-Nov-2011, at 5:23 PM, Bala Jeyaraman wrote: > Somethings vital that are missing: > > 1) How many regular editors were required to clean up the articles. How many > reverts/cleanup edits were required to clean up after the IEP students. > 2) How many admin actions/interventions were requir

[Wikimediaindia-l] Sharing insights and experiences from Indian language wiki communities - Odia (Oriya)

Dear All, Today I am sharing you the summary of discussions I had with Odia wiki ( http://or.wikipedia.org/) community. It is available here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Odia/Discussions/2011 Odia is a shining example of how a wiki project

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikipedia-OR] Sharing insights and experiences from Indian language wiki communities - Odia (Oriya)

Thanks a lot Shiju for the summary, would you like to keep the same content in OR WP as well, so new users who are not familiar with meta also can read them? And we all are looking forward to having one more session with you, based on my learning I want to share few things on which we will work fo

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikipedia-OR] Sharing insights and experiences from Indian language wiki communities - Odia (Oriya)

> > would you like to keep the same content in OR WP as well, so new users who > are not familiar with meta also can read them? Of course. Please feel free to reuse the content and share it with all who are not familiar with meta. And we all are looking forward to having one more session with yo

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Required - articles for Collaboration of the Month Dec 2011

Naveen, I believe INCOTM is happening after two and a half years. Remember Transport in India ??? To everyone else, this is an excellent opportunity to start and get a good section of high quality India articles. This has been VERY successful in the past, as I have PERSONALLY seen. I once nominated

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis

Hi all, Thanks for the engagement on the questions that should be tacked in this evaluation. See inline for a brief response to Theo's question about Tory Read. Best, Barry On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Theo10011 wrote: > I really didn't read the entire thread to have a lot of comments, I