[Wikitech-l] Re: Wiki content and other dumps new ownership, feedback requested on new version!

+1 to Dan. Ariel thank you for so many years of doing this essential work. On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 4:14 AM Dan Andreescu wrote: > Ariel, your dedication to dumps has always been an inspiration to me, both > in how you handled the technology and how you fused that with your care for > the ideas b

[Wikitech-l] Re: Book creation

On Feb 15, 2023 at 3:45:23 PM, Samuel Klein wrote: > I ran across another reference to our lovely, important book creation > tools of yore, on a global Open Education forum > > . > > What is the best place to discuss

Re: [Wikitech-l] Logging everyone out

Good to know it was so few people. Thanks for your diligence as always. On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 10:57 PM Tim Starling wrote: > On 26/6/20 3:26 pm, Steven Walling wrote: > > Thanks Tim, > > > > 1. Does “saw the site” mean users actually had full or partial access to >

Re: [Wikitech-l] Logging everyone out

Thanks Tim, 1. Does “saw the site” mean users actually had full or partial access to the accounts of other users, or simply were viewing a cached version of the site that appeared as if they were logged in as someone else? How many users were impacted? 2. Does the WMF hold incident review meeting

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please comment on the draft consultation for splitting the admin role

I'm definitely supportive of greater security for sitewide JS/CSS, but Bart's proposal is an interesting one. (Sorry for top posting, on mobile) What if we required review of edits to JS/CSS in the MediaWiki namespace (not in other namespaces), ala pending changes or something similar? We require

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikistats gets a facelift - Alpha Launch of Wikistats 2

This is an amazing improvement. Great work! On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 12:41 PM zppix e wrote: > Great Work I love the design. Can't wait for finished product! > > -- > Zppix > Volunteer Wikimedia Developer > Volunteer Wikimedia GCI2017 Mentor > enwp.org/User:Zppix > **Note: I do not work for W

Re: [Wikitech-l] ResistanceManual.org looking for co-maintainers

Dear Brad, Yes. On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 6:42 AM Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote: > On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Ori Livneh wrote: > > > Resistance Manual < > https://www.resistancemanual.org/Resistance_Manual_Home > > > > > is a guide for organizing resistance to the policies of the Trump > > a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Changes in colors of user interface

Pine, please chill for once. On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 5:40 PM Legoktm wrote: > Hi, > > On 12/09/2016 05:25 PM, Pine W wrote: > > While I appreciate the attempt to be funny, I am not amused in this case. > > Surprise UI changes could, for example, result in thousands of dollars' > > worth of instruc

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikitech-ambassadors] Opening the door to a new look...a Wikipedia.org Portal Page Update

On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 9:39 AM Anne Gomez wrote: > Congrats portal team! Very cool to look at both the new and the old side by > side - the visual design is much cleaner, but more than that the > improvements to clarifying flows for the user is remarkable. > > I particularly like the language de

Re: [Wikitech-l] Campaigns extension / ServerSideAccountCreation log - does anyone still use it?

Hey Brad, That sounds fine to me. We previously used the loginCTA campaign to measure the value of that secondary button on the login page ( ee-dashboard.wmflabs.org/graphs/enwiki_campaigns) but it doesn't need to happen on an ongoing basis. On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 11:31 AM Brad Jorsch (Anomie)

Re: [Wikitech-l] QA: Holding our code to better standards.

Just to hop on the bandwagon here: this seems like the only sane path going forward. One unmentioned benefit is that this is a step toward continuous deployment. Having integration tests run on every commit and then block when there are failures is pretty much a requirement if Wikimedia ever wants

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code of conduct

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 7:32 AM MZMcBride wrote: > Matthew Flaschen wrote: > >We're in the process of developing a code of conduct for technical > >spaces. This will be binding, and apply to all Wikimedia-related > >technical spaces (including but not limited to MediaWiki.org, > >Phabricator, Ger

Re: [Wikitech-l] Search engine indexing of userspace - has something changed?

FWIW I have also seen many cases of userspace drafts being indexed. Perhaps something to do with the fact that they are always subpages? On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:35 AM Jon Robson wrote: > Looks like a bug > > Looking closely this meta tag is present in user pages: > > > but not present in that

[Wikitech-l] MediaWiki, as seen on TV

There's a pretty hilarious American police procedural TV show in 2015 called "CSI: Cyber", featuring mostly cybercrime. Obviously they have to dredge up snippets of code from places for screenshots on the show. Episode 4 happened to include a tidbit from MediaWiki 1.25/wmf3. Supposedly the code wa

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] ContentTranslation gets to 2000

-Wikimedia-l Amir, this is awesome. Glad to see it's taking off. On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 6:24 AM Amir E. Aharoni < amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > > * In all the Wikipedias in which ContentTranslation is deployed, it is > currently defined as a Beta feature, which means that it is only ava

Re: [Wikitech-l] Extension:Gather launching on beta for English WP mobile users.

Thanks for the link Jon. It seems only fair that people actually try the feature before ripping it to shreds. Right? We've had extensions to create alternative content curation features in the past, such as books, and this is hardly the first time an experimental feature was launched on mobile fir

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wmfall] VisualEditor on Wikipedia now faster with RESTBase

Nice work! This is big. On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:08 PM Erik Moeller wrote: > Fantastic work! :) VisualEditor is becoming really zippy -- which had been > one of the top concerns in user feedback in the past. Congratulations to > everyone involved. > > Erik > -- > Erik Möller > VP of Product & St

Re: [Wikitech-l] S Page debuts as Technical Writer

Congrats S! You'll do great at this and MediaWiki sure needs your help. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:59 PM Subramanya Sastry wrote: > On 01/05/2015 04:06 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > > It is an honor to announce that S Page[1] has moved from the > Collaboration > > (Flow) team to join the WMF Engineering Co

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

On Wed Dec 03 2014 at 8:57:38 PM MZMcBride wrote: > Steven Walling wrote: > >MZ: you mean removing just for account creation right? There is also a > >CAPTCHA delivered on external link addition for some editors–I think IPs > >and users not autoconfirmed. This is probably

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

MZ: you mean removing just for account creation right? There is also a CAPTCHA delivered on external link addition for some editors–I think IPs and users not autoconfirmed. This is probably a lot more important for combating spam. (Sorry for top posting. On my phone.) On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:03 P

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 2:19 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > I think that's unfair. > > Wikis have a serious spam problem. People associate CAPTCHAs with spam > prevention. On the English Wikipedia, one of the actions that results in > the user being required to successfully enter a CAPTCHA is adding an(y?

Re: [Wikitech-l] Looking for project status updates

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:27 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: > Yes, the Growth team was disbanded, and the engineers working on this > team are now supporting Mobile (Rob Moen, Sam Smith) and Flow (Matt > Flaschen). We'll be updating wiki pages as we go, but help is welcome. > Meta, MediaWiki.org, and

Re: [Wikitech-l] jQuery UI 1.10.4 and IE6 support

On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Krinkle wrote: > As for IE6, that roadmap is quite simple in my opinion. > > At this point MediaWiki already degrades gracefully in older browsers in a > number of different ways. We've put our cut off point for javascript > execution in general at IE < 6 and Fire

Re: [Wikitech-l] logging out on one device logs user out everywhere

On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Jon Robson wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UserLogout might be an obvious > place (closest to the action)... although not sure how discoverable. > > Do you want to logout everywhere > [] Remember this decision > > It seems like we could split this

Re: [Wikitech-l] logging out on one device logs user out everywhere

On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Jon Robson wrote: > It seems like there is agreement on an approach > > As I understand it: > * special button that when clicked logs you out everywhere > * default behaviour is just to log you out on current device > Where would this "log me out of all sessions

Re: [Wikitech-l] Phabricator migration update

On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Andre Klapper wrote: > Hi, > > this is a quick status update on the planned migration of our > development planning tools to Phabricator. See > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator for general info. > > > Several things have been worked on and achieved in t

Re: [Wikitech-l] logging out on one device logs user out everywhere

On Tuesday, July 15, 2014, Jon Robson wrote: > (Forked from Re: [Wikitech-l] "Not logged in" page) > > Is it time to revisit this behaviour? It's come up as being a usability > problem a few times now. > > Currently if I log out of a public computer it logs me out of my tablet > device,mobile dev

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Product] Winter, v. 0.6

you like that, you're also going to like upcoming work from the Growth team on task suggestions for things to edit. It's powered by the same search API. :) -- Steven Walling, Product Manager https://wikimediafoundation.org/ _

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikitech-ambassadors] Roadmap and deployment highlights - week of June 23rd

A18D 1138 8E47 FAC8 1C7D | > > ___ > Wikitech-ambassadors mailing list > wikitech-ambassad...@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-ambassadors > > -- Steven Walling, Product Manager https://wikime

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Huggle] Huggle 3 released / Mac people needed

I really tried to set this up on my machine (OSX 10.9) and could really get it to work. Have there been updates lately? I think until there's a one click installer for a Huggle.app in OSX, we're probably not going to get much uptick among Mac users. -- Steven Walling, Pr

Re: [Wikitech-l] Process change: New contributors getting editbugs on Bugzilla

On Thursday, May 29, 2014, Mark Holmquist wrote: > Hi, > > For the nth time, in #mediawiki, I've had someone ask how to be able to > mark a bug as resolved, or claim it, or mark it as a duplicate of another > bug. I conceptually know that this means "getting editbugs permissions" but > it happens

Re: [Wikitech-l] FlaggedRevs gone from mediawiki.org

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Chad wrote: > I've just undone the mistake I made almost 5 years ago getting FlaggedRevs > turned on for mw.org with no consensus[0]. > > The average review time was > 58 days. > There were over 50 pages pending review (I didn't bother paging) > The vast majority

Re: [Wikitech-l] Login to Wikimedia Phabricator with a GitHub/Google/etc account?

On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Chad wrote: > I'm mostly worried about security issues in 3rd party implementations of > oAuth > that we can't control. I asked Chris S. about this earlier today and I hope > he'll > expand on this some more--especially concerning to me was the concrete > example

Re: [Wikitech-l] Login to Wikimedia Phabricator with a GitHub/Google/etc account?

On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > However, Phabricator can support authentication using 3rd party providers > like GitHub, Google, etc. You can get an idea at > https://secure.phabricator.com/auth/start/ > I think since this is already built and would require no extra work, we s

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wmfall] Rob Moen takes on new role in Growth team

t; changes. > > He’ll bring that deep knowledge of VisualEditor, OOJS, and OOUI to > projects focused on experimentation and growth in the editor community. > Besides being a rare combination of front-end and full-stack engineer with > extensive MediaWiki experience, he’s also the o

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: Typography refresh, now that dust has settled

FYI, if you're interested in continuing to talk about this and related issues, I strongly encourage Wikitech subscribers to join the Design list. -- Forwarded message -- From: Steven Walling Date: Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 6:42 PM Subject: Typography refresh, now that dust has se

[Wikitech-l] Retrospective on Typography Refresh

comments on the Talk page, rather than directly to the document. Thanks! -- Steven Walling, Product Manager https://wikimediafoundation.org/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] English Wikipedia Homepage Framework

On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Liangent wrote: > zhwiki main page is already div-based :) Not surprising. zhwiki has one of the best-looking Main Pages around. :) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed body font stack for Latin

On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Gergo Tisza wrote: > > Are you volunteering to build such a survey tool? ;-) > > > > Will see if I find the time. "Survey" probably gives the wrong idea here, > it is really just an overlay with two buttons, more of an interactive A/B > test. Could be probably co

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed body font stack for Latin

On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:23 AM, David Gerard wrote: > > We don't have a powerful/easy to use/not annoying/privacy-respecting > survey > > tool that can do side-by-side comparisons. This is why the feature was > > launched using Beta Features for five months first. Putting out in opt-in > > mode

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed body font stack for Latin

On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Gergo Tisza wrote: >- instead of guessing about user preferences, you could just create a >simple survey which shows them the same text with two different font > stacks >side by side, and ask them which is more readable. This is good for > making >

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed body font stack for Latin

On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:47 AM, Martijn Hoekstra wrote: > According to > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Typography_refresh/Font_choice#Body_font_evaluationDejaVu > sans scores 0 out of 10 points for "readability, > neutrality, and "authority" (does the font look like it conveys reliable > info

Re: [Wikitech-l] [teampractices] RfC on Product Management Tools and Development Toolchain

On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Dan Andreescu wrote: > I had volunteered my team to try it out for one of our projects, but I've > been hesitating until we have a blessed version. +1 for Growth. -- Steven Walling, Product Manager https://wikimediafou

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed body font stack for Latin

On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Isarra Yos wrote: > Deemed better? Better how? But that's what I'm saying - if the > configuration is optimised for dejavu sans, nimbus won't be better at all > even if it is a better-engineered font (doubtful, though, it being an arial > clone from what I underst

[Wikitech-l] Documenting MediaWiki-Vagrant roles

content I guess. -- Steven Walling, Product Manager https://wikimediafoundation.org/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikitech-ambassadors] Roadmap and deployment highlights - Week of April 14th

aspects of the typography update (serif headsing, new font size, new body font color, spacing, etc.) are in place. This will also deploy a small bug fix which improves the line height (thanks Erwin!). -- Steven Walling, Product Manager https://wikimedi

Re: [Wikitech-l] Keeping Code-Review votes across trivial changes of patch sets?

On Friday, April 11, 2014, Christian Aistleitner wrote: > Hi, > > TL;DR: Gerrit would allow to keep Code-Review votes across > * rebases and > * commit message modifications > of patch sets. > > Thereby dropping need to re-review "trivial" changes on patch sets. > > Shall we turn that feature on?

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed body font stack for Latin

On Friday, April 11, 2014, Erwin Dokter wrote: > First, I like to aplologize to anyone who I may have come over too > passionate at some times. Frustration is known to get the better of me, > even though I should control that. (I also quit smoking.) Much harder to quit than to find a perfect fo

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Bartosz Dziewoński wrote: > I have merged the Gerrit change (https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/ > r/#/c/124475/), > restoring the body font to "sans-serif". The heading font is unchanged for > now. > > I've read the entire wikitech-l thread (89 emails as of writing) an

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users; final plea!

On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Brian Cox wrote: > Perhaps all the user reported bugs should be added to Bugzilla for tracking > purposes. But it's not reasonable to expect the average user to report them > there. > > Brian/NF > Yes I think we definitely need to track things in Bugzilla, but yo

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users; final plea!

On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Erwin Dokter wrote: > There is also a tracking bug [2] with plenty bugs attached, among the [3], > [4] and [5]; *all* language related. Buth the bug reports and Typography > talk page have plenty of screenshots. > > [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Typogra

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users; final plea!

On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Erwin Dokter wrote: > I forgot to include the URL: > > [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Typography_refresh# > Languages_problems > Out of all of these, the most clear is that serifs are not great for the headings in CJK (Chinese, Japanese, Korean) language

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Brian Wolff wrote: > I would add as an issue, that there are major variance in the font > selection based on platform and configuration. For some platforms, the > typo refresh chooses a font that is significantly lower quality than > the browser default (The oppos

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

On Thursday, April 10, 2014, Steven Walling wrote: > > > On Thursday, April 10, 2014, MZMcBride wrote: > >> Erik Moeller wrote: >> >On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:39 AM, Derk-Jan Hartman >> > wrote: >> >> So for me, the question is not how can w

[Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

On Thursday, April 10, 2014, MZMcBride wrote: > Erik Moeller wrote: > >On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:39 AM, Derk-Jan Hartman > > wrote: > >> So for me, the question is not how can we apply pretty serif fonts to > >> headers, the question is what can we do short term and long term to > >> make that ha

[Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

On Thursday, April 10, 2014, MZMcBride > wrote: > Erik Moeller wrote: > >On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:39 AM, Derk-Jan Hartman > > wrote: > >> So for me, the question is not how can we apply pretty serif fonts to > >> headers, the question is what can we do short term and long term to > >> make that h

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Given that you do have statistics, how did all the huha around the ULS > "performance issue" and now all this hit the use of the functionality for > dyslexic people? > I'm not sure what statistics you're referring to. > We know that it he

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: > > (snip) > > > My understanding is that there are three separate major issues: > > > > * serif may not be a good choice for certain languages > > > * The explicitly specified sans-serif sta

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:33 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 9 April 2014 17:30, Brian Wolff wrote: > > > That said, we shouldn't be afraid of making changes where we > > reasonably think they might be a good idea, even without evidence they > > actually are. You can't have data on everything. I jus

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Risker wrote: > It's pretty clear that the objectives of this project are not successfully > met at this point, and in fact have caused major problems on non-Latin > script WMF sites, and significant but less critical problems on Latin > script sites. Several fact

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Jon Robson wrote: > 1) Picking a new open font that is either > ** widely available on Linux but not so much on Windows > ** renders well in Windows > Coming back to the above option... Today we spent some time testing a stack that puts Nimbus Sans L first, befor

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Matthew Walker wrote: > Perhaps this is a question that has an answer elsewhere but, irrespective > of if this change should be made to WMF wikis, why are we: > > a) Making this a change in core? > > and b) Not making the change in core be a SASS variable that can t

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Martijn Hoekstra wrote: > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Martijn Hoekstra > > wrote: > > > So, the font stack changes with regards to the status quo now change > > > nothing for Windows users, changes H

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:10 AM, Isarra Yos wrote: > Linux often gets arial. Anyone with wine will probably have it installed, > too, and most will have wine even if they don't use it. It's not > necessarily a particularly good copy, either. With the current stack that won't happen even if the u

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 5:40 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > I've read through this thread and I've formulated two questions: > > * Is there consensus to specify "font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, > Arial, sans-serif;" in MediaWiki core? > I am going to be annoying and answer your question with a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Brian Wolff wrote: > No you don't get more consistency by moving back to an experience > where you let the browser determine fonts. However you do get a > situation where things are more likely to work for non-latin scripts > (and other issues that have been brough

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Erwin Dokter wrote: > I feel that I am not being taken seriously. Three times now I have > indicated what is wrong with this solution, namely that a single font stack > cannot possibly serve a global website. > > I want to ask Steven and Jon how they plan on servin

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Greg Grossmeier wrote: > Private/offlist > > Steven, > > I think you're missing what Issara and others like myself have > suggested: just reverting the fontstack part, not the > font-size/color/etc that are a part of the changeset. > > Greg > Ha. :) Totally okay.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Jon Robson wrote: > I noticed from Kaldari's notes [1] that "Open sans" was rejected based > on language support and install base. I notice however that it is > pretty popular on the web [2,3]. Can someone elaborate on these > results as it is surprised me? > > To

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Isarra Yos wrote: > 5) Restore the status quo - specifying 'sans-serif' as the font, which > translates to the default font for the platform, had none of these > problems, and resulted in fonts for all platforms which were good for those > platforms (though perhaps

Re: [Wikitech-l] Forget mailing lists and on-wiki discussions; Twitter's the place!

On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 4:24 PM, wctaiwan wrote: > I don't think we should prioritise users with font smoothing disabled. > ClearType has been available since at least Windows XP. If there are > legibility issues, we should probably fix it; but if it merely looks > ugly, the solution is for the us

Re: [Wikitech-l] Forget mailing lists and on-wiki discussions; Twitter's the place!

On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski wrote: 1. I am deeply uncomfortable with the fact that you are choosing un-free > fonts over free ones. > 2. I am deeply uncomfortable with the fact that you decided not to respect > the consensus /not/ to choose non-free fonts -- such as Arial a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Forget mailing lists and on-wiki discussions; Twitter's the place!

On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski wrote: > You are responding to the bug based on reports that come from outside the > Wikimedia universe -- and to say otherwise is untrue and absurd in itself. > > You saw the feedback, Steven, with your own eyes, in January of this year: > it >

Re: [Wikitech-l] Forget mailing lists and on-wiki discussions; Twitter's the place!

On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 12:11 PM, David Gerard wrote: > I originally went "what on earth" too, then I went to the bug and > looked at the samples. Here's how the previous font stack rendered in > Chrome on Windows without Cleartype on: > > http://i.imgur.com/9QD1ujH.png > > That's ... pretty broke

Re: [Wikitech-l] Top Level Design, LLC greedy registrar!

On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Chad wrote: > There's no point to any of these new gTLDs. > For Wikimedia, there's a lot of potential for use as a good URL shortener (en.wiki/Dog in instead of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog). The fact that Ray is working with us to try and make that kind of thing hap

Re: [Wikitech-l] Typography update to Vector in core

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:09 AM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > My reading of > > https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/120978/3/skins/vector/variables.lessindicates > that this was merged to the master branch of mediawiki, and so > will apply to everyone using the vector skin in the next mediawiki releas

Re: [Wikitech-l] Typography update to Vector in core

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Steven Walling wrote: > This will happen in the following order: > >1. Test wikis and mediawiki.org tomorrow. That's Thursday, March 27th. >2. Non-Wikipedia projects on Tuesday, April 11th. >3. All Wikipedias on Thursday April 3r

[Wikitech-l] Typography update to Vector in core

rit 120978. -- Steven Walling, Product Manager https://wikimediafoundation.org/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikitech-ambassadors] Roadmap and deployment highlights - week of March 24th

. The overkill message of last resort is to use a CentralNotice banner, though that seems a little silly to me just to update fonts. -- Steven Walling, Product Manager https://wikimediafoundation.org/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia

Re: [Wikitech-l] Maintaining or replacing Gerrit

On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:52 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > The Gerrit installation at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org is currently a > critical part of Wikimedia's development infrastructure. I think it's > becoming increasingly clear that Gerrit needs love. To me, this means: > > * working with upstream t

Re: [Wikitech-l] Usability testing

On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Steven do I understand correctly that there is no user testing except in > English ? > You can only do usability testing (i.e. sit down with a person and listen to them talk, or do it remotely) if you understand their language. Otherwise yo

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 5:23 AM, Isarra Yos wrote: > The changeset was the result of the discussion on the Design list. The > reason Steven Walling gave for the -1 was simply not true, but attempts to > explain this failed and consensus apparently wound up being to ignore him. >

[Wikitech-l] Usability testing

From: David Gerard Date: Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts? To: Wikimedia developers (Veering off topic: So what does WMF use for a usability lab, anyway?) ...not sure what Kaldari did. In this case, he may have simply sat down wit

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Tyler Romeo wrote: > 1) not everybody is subscribed to mobile-l, so you cannot expect the > original reviewers to see or know about it > 2) this is an issue with MobileFrontend, not MediaWiki core > 3) code being merged does not automatically cause a deployment, an

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote: > What does "neutrality" mean in the context of a font? > > I'm having trouble figuring out what "authority" might actually mean > besides "Does this seem familiar to me from sites I use for reference?". > These are not terms with a pure

Re: [Wikitech-l] captcha idea: proposal for gnome outreach for women 14

On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote: > If you display 8 images and the user has to pick one, then even by random > guessing the attacker has a 12.5% chance of passing the captcha. That's not > good at all. Finding "all matching" is slightly better since it reduces the > gu

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Design] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

t solution is to deliver a webfont, which most people with good design sense are doing these days, and we can't yet. -- Steven Walling, Product Manager https://wikimediafoundation.org/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org http

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Design] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

-- the visual context -- that matters just as much. Ultimately arguing about that one line of CSS is not really a discussion about the actual experience on our sites. -- Steven Walling, Product Manager https://wikimediafoundation.org/ ___ Wikitech-l ma

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Design] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Derk-Jan Hartman < d.j.hartman+wmf...@gmail.com> wrote: > There was also a small addition to that feature, which concerns the ToC > styling, which has had NO time to garner feedback yet, so I think > postponing is a good idea. Also a good pass of the feedback page

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Design] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

. Note that there was a small update to the feature on Friday, which removed the max-width restriction and tweaked some padding. I'd encourage anyone who hasn't tried the beta feature in a few weeks to give it another shot. We'll update Typograph

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Design] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Derk-Jan Hartman < d.j.hartman+wmf...@gmail.com> wrote: > There is one area where ULS made true mistakes and that is thinking that > it can always do better than the operating system/user. And that is the > same risk that this exercise is running into. Thinking th

Re: [Wikitech-l] Communication of decisions (was Re: Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?)

On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Greg Grossmeier wrote: > See also: The general rule among many engineering departments at WMF is > "If it didn't happen on the list (or somewhere similarly public and > indexable) it didn't happen." > Wikitech is great for discussing things with a wider audience

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Brian Wolff wrote: > I've seen setiment like this (discuss in person, in hangout, or otherwise > privately) pop up recently (e.g on [1]). I think attitudes like that are a > real problem. Supposedly we are an open community. People should be > entirely prepared to

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Design] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:16 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 16 February 2014 08:54, Gerard Meijssen > wrote: > > > Working towards a more beautiful viewing experience is a secondary > > objective. Primary is that our readers and editors can read and edit. > > ULS is a huge success in doing what it

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Design] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

ill change their CSS as needed and desired 4. we don't jeopardize Vector and MediaWiki's status as FOSS, by not distributing nor creating a dependency on any proprietary software *whatsoever*. Thank you, CSS font-family property and fallbacks. That all sounds like a pretty goo

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Design] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

of the way CSS works and options that are within our reach. The question isn't "are there good free fonts?" the question is "can we deliver good free fonts to all users?". I'll try to help the UX team document the answer better. -- Steven Walling, Product Manager

Re: [Wikitech-l] Let's improve our password policy

If feel like I should reiterate why I proposed this change. Maybe no one cares, but I think it might help convince folks this is NOT an argument for "let's reduce user freedom in the name of security." I didn't worked on the RFC because I love tinkering with password security in my spare time and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Let's improve our password policy

On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:59 PM, Martijn Hoekstra wrote: > I think Steven meant upping the requirements for new accounts only. In that > way nothing gets broken immediately. I'm still not absolutely convinced > this is more useful than a hindrance if we clearly inform the user about > password st

Re: [Wikitech-l] Let's improve our password policy

On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:20 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > General consensus (on this mailing list and at the RFC) seems to be that > we can certainly encourage stronger passwords, but we should not require > stronger passwords for standard accounts. Accounts with escalated > privileges (admin, checkuse

Re: [Wikitech-l] Let's improve our password policy

On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Steven Walling wrote: > On Tuesday, February 4, 2014, Petr Bena wrote: > >> To be honest one of things I liked most on wikipedia over other sites, >> was no password policy whatsoever. I hope we never get into such a >> creepy state l

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